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[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:30:42 PM 





  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:32:53 AM) Edited at: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:33:13 PM Edited at: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 6:42:30 PM

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[guidogodoy] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 5:02:24 PM 
Now which is it, JJ? First you rip on Vail because she is apparently too young to have any sort of valid judgement when she says that she really liked a show or two. Then, when some of us "old folks" who have seen Priest MANY more times than you call bullshit on your comments for a concert you haven't even seen, you claim that we are also wrong. WTF?! Do I need to have an internet radio show once a week to say what I like and what I don't? Sorry, I was only the host of a real metal radio show back in the 90s. Too old to count in your book, I guess.

HRMG said it perfectly well. I have given up entire summer vacations to following Priest and, like any band, they have good nights and bad ones. Wish I had the interview at hand when Rob says that he tries to give it his all at every show but that, sometimes, his vocal chords didn't permit. KK said the same when he commented on some of his ad-libs. Sometimes they work and sometimes the whole band rolls their eyes at him. All we (or, I, at least) have said was that HAMMOND was a killer show! Sold-out crowd to interact with a magical and spot-on performance. While I was also in Detroit, I agree that Hammond was the one that should have been recorded. It was pure magic. I cannot and DO not claim the same for even the Montreal, Detroit, Nashville shows last time around.

Keep on promoting your radio show, buddy. Listing tracks and talking smack about what you haven't experienced seems to be your forté.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:42:21 AM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:46:57 PM 

Also.....listen to Scott at the :42 mark....listen to what he says and watch him look into the camera at the :56 mark.....

I think Scott is hinting to us that K.K. lost the passion to play "heavy metal music".

The break down in working relationship/communication with the band/management ect....K.K. sure as heck didn't have a Painkiller/Retribution idea type album up his sleave when tossing around ideas for a new album in 2010.

I think he may have changed his mind now in 2012 perhaps,who knows.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:04:26 PM)
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:33:35 PM 
I read that too and yes he is heart broken about the whole thing,but I belive that he wanted to push Judas Priest into another Nostradamus direction and that is why there is a "Glenn and Jayne show".  I'll bet you anything this time around he tossed another experimental idea around and Rob,Glenn and Jayne said fuck that and since he couldn't get his way he quit.

Now he is butt hurt. Thats what I belive,but I can't prove it.  He was more into this Nostradamus sound than most people realize,and to make a normal metal album again would be going backwards in his eyes I belive,this is what caused all this friction to begin with.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:49:50 AM)
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[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 12:04:26 PM 
You are absolutely right HB - not everyone will be happy and people will be pissed about this thing or that. All of those things you mentioned make it a unique event. I saw them 3 times in 4 days and each show was different. The crowds reaction to the band always changes how the band plays and interacts as well. It's Rock n Roll. If you want perfection, listen to the albums at HOME! I've said before that I have never seen a perfect show by any band and I don't expect one to have a great time and think the band was amazing. I just don't understand why people keep bitching about Rob, one of the greatest singers of all time, just because he struggles with one song or another during some shows. SO WHAT? Should he pack it up as those people believe? I don't think so. Why don't people bitch about these so called vocalists that can't even carry a tune and don't even sing? When Rob is on, he is jaw dropping incredible, and that is a moment in time that you will never forget. I have had many moments like that on this tour and I feel sorry for people that can't appreciate it. I'd rather hear Rob on an offnight anyday than any one of those Cookie Monster "singers".

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:05:29 AM)
[Judas Priest / One For The Road] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 9:22:19 AM 

Just a side note to add, if it wasn't for Priest there would be no Heavy Metal. Thank you and goodnight!!

[Head banger] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 8:05:29 AM 
they have never been perfect, not rob, not any of them.  hell listen to priest live, one of the opening notes to Turbo gets messed up.  so what?

name me a band that just once had a perfect concert?  just one?

if most fans enjoy the show thats good.  not everyone will be happy.  someone will be pissed they didnt play this song, played that song, this didnt sound right, the beer was warm, the lineup in the bathroom was too long, no girls flashed the stage... too many girls flashed the stage.  whatever, its a rock concert not open heart surgery, a few mistakes, detours whatever. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:49:50 AM)
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:49:50 AM 
I wish that we could get the soundboard recording of that show in Hammond!! THAT show should have been recorded! The next night in Detroit, he was incredible as well but missed a couple of things here and there. Cleveland was the same as the Detroit show. No singer is able to hit every single note at every single show, and I don't expect or demand that they do. Just because he is The Metal God, doesn't mean that he is always perfect and people need to stop expecting him to be. Rob gave it everything he had in every single show that I attended, they all did. But at the beginning of the tour, Rob was struggling. But we have always known that it takes his voice time to get used to touring again and he is always better at the end of a tour than at the beginning. I just wish that they had recorded one of the US shows, because from all the people I have talked to, they all said Rob was incredible and the best they have heard him since the Painkiller tour. They will probably record this in Japan and unfortunately with a couple of months off, I don't know if his voice will be as good as it was when they toured North America.

I have to keep going back to John Baxter's rant - I believe there is a lot of truth in what he said, especially the "let's sit on the sidelines with KK and watch how the Glenn and Jayne show plays out". My opinion of why KK left has changed. I saw an interview with him and he is heartbroken over leaving. This is not something he wanted to do but he couldn't stay with the way things were. It's really sad, but here we go again - MONEY and people's greed destroy another band.

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[Head banger] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 7:41:56 AM 
if they are not getting rich off this tour, and I am sure they are not, then what about thin lizzy.  playing unidentifiable sounds to about 100 people in a arena with 12000 concert seats available? (priest had 9000 in those seats)

if they leave this tour with enough money left for the band to buy a pizza to share I would be amazed.  if they gain one new fan for the whole tour I will be doubly amazed...

not that they were ever a top act but by god they are not now.  there are dozens of local bands that could have done as well, yes even in a country town where the average music fan thinks nickelback is heavy metal.....

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:32:53 AM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 3:32:53 AM 
I just don't see many members here viewing everything Priest does through a rose tinted glass Jimmy. And thats just it Jimmy....Judas Priest doesn't "care" if only 3,000 people showed up,they "knew" that there wasn't going to be 25,000 plus in any city. 

And  "they guy who started the band" is the damn reason "Nostradamus" was "created"....if it were not for K.K. freaking Downing Nostradamus wouldn't of NEVER been written and instead we would of got a normal british heavy metal album,make no mistake about it....K.K. didn't leave because this band is declining ect.....have you ever thought that it was him who fucked the band up in the first place?  Not many people do consider.....

I agree about the management milking shit and perhaps the band is at fault for this too I agree. This band isn't stupid,they want to tour and get cash I know that,if they didn't they would be a bunch of fuckin idiots right? But come on,do you think that the band members think they are going to strike it rich off a tour? NO.

They are playing to scrounge a few extra bucks yes but they are also enjoying themselves and are not only doing it for the cash,I'm sure if somebody did something they love doing for 40 years it would be hard to give up.  And Priest never said they could pack in crowds by themselves,they know they can't,its not like they are acting like they actually "can" right?

I honestly belive that Guido,Spapad and Hot Rockin MetalGodess would not be giving this much credit to Rob's voice had he given a half assed performance on that individual show. His voice varies girlfriend Victoria saw the reunion tour 2004 and said he struggled a little,but when she saw the Retribution tour he was spot on and shocked her,yet the DVD Rising In The East from that same tour wasn't as good.

Over all he can't be consistant live because of age ect....but who cares,anyone showing up for a metal concert and expects the 60 year old lead vocalist to be perfect are kidding themselves.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:42:21 AM)

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[jimmyjames] Tuesday, January 17, 2012 1:42:21 AM 
I should be here as much as anyone else. I just don't view everything they do through rose tinted glasses like some here do. When I see my once favourite band in decline to such an extent that the guy who started the band wants out I'm going to speak up. I don't need to list again the the amount of rip offs this band has perpetrated and their lazy approach to producing new, quality material. If metal hadn't made a resurgence in the late 90s there's no way they would have "buried the hatchet to get out there and play for the fans". Since 04 it's been "look, we don't have to like each other but if we just keep getting out there and doing shows we can milk this".  The real reason they are "only going to do the odd festival gig" from now on is because there's 20 other bands there to drag the audience in. They can't do it on their own. If you were one of the biggest names in metal and  you're playing a city the size of Cleveland and 3000 turn up it's time to pack it in. 
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[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Monday, January 16, 2012 3:11:46 PM 
You also left me out of your post as well JJ. I've been a fan since '82 and have gone to every tour since '86. Budred was completely wrong in his post about Rob's vocals in Cleveland. And you have yet to actually see Priest live, am I right? So exactly how can you say anything about Rob's voice on this tour or any other? YouTube videos have never done Rob's voice justice since Rob's voice blows out the mics on every recording device. Jaw dropping, fucking unbelievable vocals in Hammond and that is a FACT!!! If you had been there, you would agree.

I'm really sick and tired of people bitching about Rob's voice. He was fucking AMAZING in all 3 shows that we saw - Hammond, Detroit and Cleveland! As far as them having nothing left, well, I can tell you that Rob has plently of fuel left in the tank!

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[Head banger] Monday, January 16, 2012 7:57:03 AM 
I dont get it.  if you dont think they have it why hope for an album?  would the album be all studio effects and editing to bury their lack of ability?  of some simple shit that thousands could do? 

fact is the core 3 are pushing retirement age.  30-40 years ago they could do more.  now they know more. 

I thought this show was great.  last show I saw with them they opened for ozzy at monsters of rock, which was just an ok set.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Monday, January 16, 2012 4:17:45 AM)
[Budred] Monday, January 16, 2012 4:17:45 AM 
No, I was saying maybe that explains why there were (only) 3000 people at the show in Cleveland.
Let me stress that my bad review was more from not getting what I was used to from the Priest than from
a terrible performance. They weren't that bad they've just sounded so much better in the past. Just two
years ago on British Steel they sounded so powerful and so tight and they impressed me with the fact that they
could still get it done. This last tour didn't do that for me. Was it Rob? Richie?, I don't know. I did say that it
would probably be my last time regardless of future touring or not but I hope they hit Pittsburgh on a new leg
of this tour just to see if I feel the same way or not. I have changed my mind from time to time. I do stick by my
least favorite show comments and I still think they should retire but I'm also anxious to hear their new CD.
Maybe it will rock. I only mention the retirement thing because I would like to see them go out with a little dignity.
If they haven't already, I'm afraid they will soon become a joke of themselves.

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[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, January 15, 2012 12:04:03 PM 
You think that there are 25,000 cult followers in Cleveland?  You think this band are as popular as Iron Maiden in 2012?  Obviously NO.   Priest are lucky to have even 3,000 in Cleveland. Jimmy does speak a lot of truths but he is not always right. 

If the band suck this bad he shouldn't even be here. I've even said when Rob sings Painkiller it sounds like an animal being tortured but I think its funny and am not bothered by it,it seems other people fucking HATE the band so bad over it and all because of a stupid live perfomance. Get over it people! 

Maybe Priest should set up a refund for fans that were disappointed as you were from your first post responding to the Cleveland show Budred,that way you could get back your hard earned money since you didn't think it was worth it and since its the last time you will ever see Priest live again regardless if they came again or not.

If my stomach wasn't all fucked up in October I would of went to the show and enjoyed every bit of it because of the "spirit" of Judas Priest as a "cult follower".  My rants are because they are not putting out enough studio albums,I don't want them to quit,I want them to keep going and I don't care if thier performance struggles,its not like they totally "suck" live,just a few flaws so what. 

I'm glad you enjoyed 70 % of these metal bands you saw live over the years your right its a matter of opinion,you think 70% of these metal bands are worthy,I do not. But that doesn't make me right and you wrong.

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[spapad] Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:03:12 AM 
I'll be truly stunned if they don't at least make it to Australia. Fingers crossed.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:50:46 PM)
[Budred] Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:25:08 AM 
Live show for cult followers, that may explain why only 3000 out of 25,000 showed up in Cleveland.
I wasn't expecting Rob to sound like he did in 1980 (and he didn't disappoint) and I do judge bands on
their live performances. To me when they suck live they usually suck. As for no one worth seeing
that's just a matter of opinion. There may not be many classic British metal bands but there are plenty
of metal bands out there worth checking out. I've been lucky enough to see over 100 bands the last two
years and I've enjoyed at least 70 percent of them. Anyway, to each his own, and lastly, Jimmy may be a
smartass but he speaks alot of truths. Most just don't want to face them. Peace all!

Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 7:27:57 AM
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:41:42 AM 
Who gives a shit if Rob struggles on vocals anyways for fucks sake its a live show for cult followers,its not like "Judas Priest are #1 in the spotlight of the music world",people who see the new tour and are disappointed are expecting Halford to sound like he did in 1980 it seems.

The tour was supposed to be a tribute for the "fans" and really not to try and impress those who expect a 100% flawless vocals performance from Halford,the guy is 60 years old for christ sake anyone who expects 100% perfection live shouldn't of even bought a ticket.

Besides...I'd rather see a struggling Halford live than most of these shit bands people see these days anyways,these whining fans make it seem like there are tons of killer british heavy metal bands out there to see live,psssfft the scene sucks with only a handfull of worth heavy metal bands anyways. 

And again,who gives a fuck about live performances,the studio album vocals is what matters and Rob sure as shit sounds kick ass on studio and will again on this new studio album.

Edited at: Sunday, January 15, 2012 3:44:24 AM
[guidogodoy] Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:28:26 PM 
Glad some of you can read. Didn't say anything about "Fight," "Halford" concerts, "Reunion" Ozzfest, Metal Masters.... I said that the band was fucking awesome in Hammond. 
[Becks] Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:50:46 PM 
Tell you what though, I'll be there no matter what if they come

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