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[DemonCat] Sunday, September 04, 2011 6:04:26 PM 
A rock...a ton of bricks? Who's really keeping track after so much? Indeed it's been a hell-of-a-ride! I am emerging out of it ok, as is my family, but it's not over yet. I'm only "online" after-all. Happy to be back here though!!!  YEAHHHH!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, September 04, 2011 4:15:38 PM)
[spapad] Sunday, September 04, 2011 4:15:38 PM 
Demon Cat...........have you been living under a rock? You missed it all eh? I take it you have not had internet for quite some time?

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DemonCat from Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:02:35 PM)
[DemonCat] Sunday, September 04, 2011 1:02:35 PM 

Hello to everyone!
  I'm just getting done reading alot of these posts. The Thread definately caught my eye. I hadn't heard the news of KK's leaving. Not even of the new CD Epitaph, or "Farewell" tour. I am at the moment just happy to be able to come back on here. Online even. Then hit with this news = shocked.

[acolyte55] Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:39:10 PM 
my bad, lol didnt look at date
[Blue Moon] Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:14:35 PM 
 Where have you been in the past three weeks?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by acolyte55 from Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:44:29 PM)
[acolyte55] Saturday, July 23, 2011 3:44:29 PM 
new blog up on kk,s site, talking more about his decision to leave the band , golf , and ian hills comments.
[wwol] Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:14:55 PM 

Been watching  30+ years of Priest on Youtube tonight. KK, Please come to New England, It ain't Judas Priest without YOU.

[hellrider 31038] Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:18:02 PM 


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by gabesz66 from Monday, July 04, 2011 1:49:59 PM)
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[gabesz66] Monday, July 04, 2011 1:49:59 PM 
Hi all!
I saw a video on the youtube and I did not see K.K.:( I saw an unknown guitarist:( K.K. please come back!
[.] Sunday, July 03, 2011 1:46:46 PM

K.K. DOWNING: My Golf Course Was Never Reason For Not Doing Latest Tour With JUDAS PRIEST - July 3, 2011
Former JUDAS PRIEST guitarist Kenneth "K.K." Downing has shot down as "inaccurate" reports that he left the band because chose to concentrate on running his Astbury Hall 18-hole championship golf course in Shropshire, England.

In a recent interview with Express & StarJUDAS PRIEST bassist Ian Hill stated about Downing's departure from the group, "I think Ken had just had enough. He'd got a lot on his plate with his golf course and I think he couldn't spend the time away. This tour's going to be, by the time it's wrapped up, the best part of two years. It's a long, long time to be away from things and I just think Ken couldn't handle the time away."

In response to Hill's comments and the subsequent press reports which insinuated that Downing "chose golf over PRIEST," the guitarist has released the following statement via his official web site:

"The word 'think' depicts uncertainty; therefore it lends itself to supposition. 

"I love Ian as a brother and nothing will ever change that, but his take on the situation in this instance is inaccurate, and the people from the press had no license to jump in and take what they thought was a cheap scoop out of what Ian thought the situation was. 

"To concentrate on my golf course is not, and was never, the reason for not doing the latest tour with JUDAS PRIEST. I have had in place since last September the world's leading golf-management company known asTroon GolfTroon manages approximately 200 facilities world-wide; please see the facility directory at

"The course has been open and running smoothly since last September when it hosted a great charity event for the Lords Taverner's in aid of underprivileged children. 

"Anyone that has ever known me will testify that I have always been dedicated to JUDAS PRIEST and the fans, and nothing has ever stopped me from touring until now. 

"I have been busy going to concerts, metal exhibitions, trying to help younger bands to get off the ground, and have plans to travel on business to other countries including Finland, Spain, and the U.S. this summer. 

"As for stepping out from PRIEST before the tour, I stand by my original official statement on the matter. 

"Although I am not there, I wish for the name JUDAS PRIEST to forever be triumphant. 

"I have no doubt the 'Epitaph' tour is sensational. I therefore urge you all again not to miss out this one, so please give your best support one more time to the mighty PRIEST."

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Friday, June 24, 2011 11:29:43 AM)
[Head banger] Friday, July 01, 2011 8:28:53 AM 
just remember also that the price the CD sells for is a long way from the profits the band gets a cut of.  I dont know about CD's but most retail products have a store markup of 100%.  that pays the retailer.  now your talking a disk that sony sells for $7.5 to 12.5  they have to make the damn thing and ship it to stores.  still profitable if they move enough.  is it worth marketing.  probably if it belongs to some flavour of the month
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[Nupe The Ripper] Friday, July 01, 2011 6:49:08 AM 
Well yeah, with 250 000 illegal downloads, and with the average price of a CD being around 15 to 25 dollars, the total loss would be about four to five million dollars.

But then you have to remember how much of the CD's price goes to the band itself. With a major label, such as Sony which is Priest's label at the moment, even the biggest bands would be lucky to get ten percent of the profits. The rest goest to the label (about half), management, marketing and other costs, not to mention the reseller's own profit margin. So all in all the band itself has lost about three to five hundred thousand dollars - it's still a big sum, but nothing as near what the total sales price would be. So when record companies and copyright organizations speak loudly that "illegal downloading makes the artists lose money", they're lying quite much in that as they're only worrying about their own profits. Touring and merchandising is what really gives the bands a lot of profit these days.

That is not to say that I condone illegal downloading myself. I've downloaded many bands myself, including Priest, but I've always bought the albums afterwards. I still wan't to give the artist something from making such great music, even when it's just ten percent of the actual purchase price.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:14:22 PM)
[.] Thursday, June 30, 2011 5:45:19 PM 
Ian Hill is a lion who doesn't fear risk.

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  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by . from Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:45:27 AM)
[.] Thursday, June 30, 2011 1:45:27 AM 
 Makes no sense, Hellrider.

What about the millions tied up in the tour that was in danger of falling through? Because this tour would not have happened had Priest not found a replacement for KK and the contractors and sub-contractors and all that circus shit was already settled; all that money would have been lost.

We don't know exactly what  the type of issues were between him and management. It's hard to throw guilt around when none of the parties says anything specific.

If he doesn't tour with Priest purely because of his golf course, then I wished that KK was able to delegate some of the responsibilities of managing his place to someone he trusts to run it for a few months longer, and give me the pleasure of seeing him play one last time. Micromanaging takes more of a toll on your business than choosing the right staff to run it. He should be worried about PR only. 
But then I can be wrong, like I'm usually wrong. 

[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:14:22 PM 



A 3 AXE ATTTTTAAAACCCCKKKKKKKK Edited at: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:16:24 PM
Edited at: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 9:33:27 PM
[Eternal Betrayer] Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:02:16 AM 
[Phil 18373] Sunday, June 26, 2011 3:38:16 PM 
KK should be there for the fans. Not appearing in the last tour over the reasons he gave is a slap in the face of all fans! 
[.] Friday, June 24, 2011 3:14:37 PM 
 If KK really has trouble playing guitar due to his wrist injuries, then his game of golf must be real bad right now and now is the time to beat his ass on the green. I'm sure Glenn knows best about what he says and I'm just reading all the information available to me from the internet, anyway. 

If Ian says that KK doesn't want to do anything in metal anymore, I have to believe him. However, KK supports a local band called Hostile, and IF I'm not mistaken, he co-wrote(?) a song called "Addiction". Seems like KK also likes to visit and support his metal buddies Dio's Disciples. KK's Finnish team will have a bunch of festival updates for me to read and enjoy learning about on KK's website. 

Perhaps what Mr. Downing wants to do is simply to sit back and relax and enjoy his life without having to go on tour with Priest. I think he just wants to live in his own schedule on his own terms. 

[joedraper] Friday, June 24, 2011 11:39:25 AM 
Woo! That's pretty much telling it like it is in my books...
Thansk for sharing x

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