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1 year ago today since we first heard Nostradamus
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:20:11 PM 
I know it Ron! I would love to see them tour alot less even if it means I never get to see them live again over here....I would much rather have a new LP every year!

I lay money on that the next LP will be totally awsome old school heavy metal because if they don't .....there will be alot less fans at the shows.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:02:13 PM)
[ron h] Wednesday, July 15, 2009 5:02:13 PM 
J.D., I agree 1000000000%!!!

Remember when they would put out an LP every year (or sooner)???  

You laid it out perfectly from DOTF to now...Not even the new Live CD is going to come close to satisfying my need for some new Priest Metal!!!!!!

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:24:52 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, July 15, 2009 3:24:52 PM 

Well.....yeah Ron I guess I can see your point........but if they are going to create an experimental album like Turbo,Demolition or Nostradamus........

I wish they would make "2 albums in the studio"...and release them 6 months apart from each other.....that way us rivit headed iron dogs that  crave

heavy metal can get our fix from our favorite band!!!    I just hate it when they do an experimental album because its going to be about a 3 year wait

before the next album comes out and I freaking hate that!   They released Defenders Of The Faith in 1984 and it was 6 years before we all got an

album that was a what I like to call a "normal heavy metal album" from Judas Priest when they released Painkiller in 1990.........................

Then they release "Jugulator" in 1997 and even if some don't like the album it was a heavy metal album in the vien of Painkiiler.......

And then it took them 4 years just to release the experimental "Demolition" album........then Rob comes back and releases "Angel Of Retribution"

and then it takes 3 years just to release the experimental "Nostradamus"?   Thats what bothers me the most.  Judas Priest's next studio album

HAS TO BE one of thier best records ever or else they will not be filling concert seats for very much longer.......thier heavy metal fans want some

traditional classic oldschool blood pumping fist raising screaming heavy metal mayhem just for our forum member and my good friend THE HELLRIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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[SkyRideR] Wednesday, July 15, 2009 1:42:55 PM 
less than one year ago there were a million threads about nostra...
[ron h] Monday, July 13, 2009 7:39:54 PM 
But isn't it a testament to Priest that they have created such a variety of music that there's something for everyone??  

You know me J.D., I feel just about the same as you do and your opinion of that era and Turbo (and Ram It Down isn't rated much higher IMO).

Being that as it is, at least Turbo brings Priest music to an otherwise uninterested fan, who then gets the pleasure of hearing all the other goodies that Priest have to offer

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Monday, July 13, 2009 4:15:38 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, July 13, 2009 4:15:38 PM 
LOL! Yeah I know.....but you have to realize the level of hatred I have for "Turbo".(lol!)  You are right what you said....its up for opinion......but I can't help an  O.C.D.(obsession compulsive disorder)

I just can't refrain from bashing the Turbo album.  I think also why is that in 1986 they were coming off an album in 1984 title 'Defenders Of The Faith'.......meaning defending the faith of heavy metal's spirit...

.....and then they did a 180 turn and dropped everything they were defending and joined the other team...meaning..they sold out to the mid 1980's hair band era style of commercialism...............................

And the songs they wrote for Turbo to me were not and still are not "quality Judas Priest songs".    So my opinion is just that..."its my opinion" and I'm not saying that everybody has to agree with me.

It is what it is............I wish Turbo never would of been born!     (LOL!) Russian Priest! LOL!!!   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Russian Priest from Monday, July 13, 2009 3:17:17 PM)
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[Russian Priest] Monday, July 13, 2009 3:17:17 PM 
Of course, I respect your opinion too... But when someone says the next phrases "How can anybody disagree that "Turbo" is Judas Priest's worst album?" or "Grade this album an "F" for "failure" I cannot pass it by. It sounds like your opinion is only the right one and cannot be wrong. You said it with certainly, that's why I told that you should write "IMO" in your post. Sorry if I wrong...
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, July 10, 2009 3:04:45 PM 

Thats cool Russian Priest.....very good post and I respect your opinion.   Turbo for me is....................well ,lets just leave it at that! LOL Russian Priest! LOL!

No worries my friend.....everybody has an opinion. I've seen someone post a while back that they "hated Painkiller" album.....and I've seen a post where 

someone hated "Screaming For Vengeance".......I've seen a post where someone couldn't stand "British Steel" there are many different opinions in here

and there is not one of them that is "wrong" because its up to the individual to decide what they like obviousy as you already know......

Judas Priest are the best band in the world...that is something hopefully that we can all agree on!


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Russian Priest from Friday, July 10, 2009 9:58:59 AM)
[Russian Priest] Friday, July 10, 2009 9:58:59 AM 

J.D., I've read this post and cannot agree. I like "Turbo" too much, it's one of the most favourite albums to me. It sounds perfect and has wild energy, always blows my mind away. Yes, there is some glam-rock sources, but it's not a problem for JP - every album they do something special, and do not plagiat from themselves. 

Turbo lover - great song with great atmosphere created by good-choosen sound effects, perfect refrain that sends shivers down my spine! Perfect work!
Private property - I like this song executing live! Good choice to head-bang "Hands up! Ooo-ooo!" When they played it in Moscow 2005, I think it was the best their perfomance on that show.
Rock you all around the world - great fast song!
Out in the cold - a masterpiece! Unbelievable song! Great mix of hopelessness, male firmness, unrequited love and coldness that reproduces in every sound, in every note. One of the best priest's songs ever.
WIld nights - good riffs, good lyrics ;) perfect refrain to sing together! Real rock-hymn of 80's!

And all other songs are also very-very good! Don't understand why you think so, but you should write "IMO" in your post, no doubt.

About "Nostradamus":
Every time I enjoy this album. I think JP showed us how old-school heavy metal music should develops. They didn't make anything new with song's compositions, it were the same classic riffs, but they did new approach to songs: new arrangements, new ideas, new sounding, new sences, new instruments, new vision... a lot of "new" in old genre. They've opened our eyes to see "Heavy metal has not died and there are too many horizons in our favourite genre". That's why I like this album. My respect to JP for it. Hope in next album they will do big work and we'll see something special again

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[british.steel] Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:37:55 PM 
I can understand why people dont like it as much as other Priest albums, but Nostradamus (IMO) is a truly epic album, when you listen to it all the way through without skipping songs its even better. The way every song is a perfect chain to the next song is very amazing, and the way some songs build up much anticipation for the next like Dawn of Creation does for Prohecy and Sands of Time leads Into Pestilence and Plague (best song on album IMO) is just amazing. i love this album no matter what people say.
[sygy] Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:48:37 AM 
I still love the whole Nostradamus Album and I'm listening it very, very often.... AoR was a great Album, but Nostradamus is a Masterpiece...probably one of the best Albums in the Rock history...
[Trashcan Man] Monday, June 29, 2009 8:23:01 PM 
A year later and I'm still listening to it. It's Priest. Granted it's not a straight ahead Metal album, fair enough however I like the opratic parts and orchestration. It gives the Metal some musicality. The blues driven grinding quality of their earlier albums isn't there in every song however their muscisianship is well advanced from the early works. Whatever, the concept album for me as an older fan works. Judas Priest could do a Christmas album and I'd buy the collecters edition too...
[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:41:27 PM 
I could'nt   "agree"  more with you here Electric_Eye.    I give the band an  "A+" for effort and originality for Nostradamus. But for me as well as you,the song writting is the key to why I do not care for it.

In my opinion...Angel Of Retribution is Judas Priest's 5th best album out of 16 studio albums they have now. And 3 tracks from it I would say are in the top 10 Judas Priest songs of all time with

"Judas Rising.........Demonizer......and Hellrider".   Nostradamus has nowhere near the song quality that these tracks have to me.  It just proves that they are not a band that should be taking on

these kinds of projects.  Judas Priest does best while creating "heavy metal"........not "opera".
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Electric_Eye from Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:56:23 AM)
[Electric_Eye] Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:56:23 AM 
While I give Priest credit for the time and dedication that was put into creating Nostradamus  --I just did not like it.  It is for me the most disappointing album that my favorite heavy metal band has ever put out.  Back in 2005 I was elated when Angel of Retribution came out.  It had been 15 years since a Rob Halford-lead Judas Priest had put out a studio album and to give you an idea of how much I liked it  --at the end of 2005 most of the tracks from AOR had the highest play count on my iPod that year.

As for Nostradamus, the pace of the album for me just doesn't cut it.  I like to listen to music while working out and just found myself skipping over too many tracks that i just didn't like.  Again, A for effort, but low marks for end result.  I cringed when I heard the tour would include a complete rendition of the album live  --fortunately for me that tour didn't stop in Atlanta because I would not have gone and that would have just not felt right  --sitting at home while the Priest was in town.

Now here in 2009 Priest will be here in part touring to celebrate the 30th anniversary of British Steel --and playing that great album in it's entirety.  I cannot tell you how stoked I am to hear 'Steeler' and 'Rage' live.  I love this band  --have since I first heard them  --and I've enjoyed just about everything they have put out (minus the Ripper years) during their long and stellar career of waving the heavy metal banner.  So it pains me to be critical of something the band put a lot of effort and energy in to produce  --but critical of Nostradamus I am.  I had an uneasy feeling when I first heard about a concept album of the life and times of Nostradamus  --and unfortunately, IMHO anyway, my fears were realized.  

Looking forward to seeing the Priest in 2009 @ Verizon Wireless Encore Park in Alpharetta GA!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:54:44 PM 
Nostradamus is etched in stone forever more.There are a couple of tracks on this album that are ok in my opinion,not to me but to others it may be thier best album.

But now I feel it should be time for the band to move forwards. As Hellrider mentioned a while back...they took approx. 3 years creating Nostradamus(2 and a half)and another year touring it.

With this British Steel tour they are doing right now,......after this tour it would be interesting to see what the band does next......I would like to see them take some time off for a change

and rekindle some next studio album thoughts.  The next Judas Priest LP is going to be very critical for the band's career.
[ron h] Monday, June 01, 2009 4:53:37 AM 
I will say that I enjoy it more now than when I first bought it...a funny thing though, my Metal friends are mixed on it, but my non-Metal friends like it more than they do...I wonder why??
[screaming_4_priest] Monday, May 25, 2009 6:05:23 AM 
Rocka Rolla,Turbo & Nostradamus are all kick ass albums, priest never puts out any thing bad imo.
Im not just saying that cause they are my fav band or becuase im being a lil fan boy i generally love every song on every album from rocka rolla TO NOSTRADAMUS  even ripper era.
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Friday, May 22, 2009 8:19:25 PM 
 Between this thread and the Metallica sucks thread  I dont know which one gets funnier responses..
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[doggiedogma] Friday, May 22, 2009 8:10:03 PM 
One year since it's release and it still stinks!
[TIMBONI] Thursday, May 07, 2009 10:04:24 PM 
I'm with you H.B.   I just didn't care for R.R.   As for Nostradamus, I can sit and analyze it ( like I already did ), but I would choose to listen to something else.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:22:17 AM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:05:55 PM 

Thats cool Head Banger,like I said...if we all had the same opinion about everything,it would be quite boring.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:22:17 AM)
[Head banger] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:22:17 AM 
if everyone were like me the world would be perfect.  HA!!!
I dont like RR, never have.  its just boring.  that and nost, I dunno, I could give nost another try sometime, RR, nope.  if they re recorded it or played bits live, fine and well.  but, perhaps turbo works for me as I was right in the target audience when it came out, think I was 13 when I got it.  dunno, but I would in a total ranking put in probably close to the middle.  there are a few other discs below it, if I realy think about it.  POE, its all good stuff, but on the disc I dont care for it as much, live is beter.  sounds very restrained on the disc, lacking energy

that RR cover is awesome though.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:09:13 AM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:09:13 AM 

Wow  Head Banger...Turbo better than "ROCKA ROLLA"?????   Man,the hardest thing for me to do at this website is having to realize that we all have different opinions.....

But man, my ears Rocka Rolla's song writting and an album as a whole knocks the socks off of Turbo so much I can't begin to post how !! LOL!!

And "way" better than Nostradamus...I have to go with Nostradamus....I still believe to me that the songs on Turbo are the very worst of Judas Priest.

If there was an album called " The Worst Of Judas Priest" and it had 10 songs on it....7 of them would be from!

What do you call it when a Turbo album is smashed and it still plays afterwards?      .....     "A Shame". LOL Head Banger!!!!! J/K 

LOL! But to each his own man,its still cool to see different opinions even if you don't agree with them.If we all had the same thoughts,it would be boring right?

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[metalmaz] Wednesday, May 06, 2009 1:46:33 AM 

I prefer it to Ram It Down, but it's not one of :Priest's finer moments.

Are you on the Saxon forum? I'm sure I've seen you there! 

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:45:49 PM)
[Head banger] Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:45:31 PM 
dissagreeing with you here.  sure its not the hardest, or the best writen, but its way beter than nost, and beter than Rocka Rolla, which could have been beter, but they just didnt get there.  I actualy like this disc, for what it is, dumb, teen metal.  not their best, but not the worst.  still finds its way into my playlist regularily
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:45:49 PM)
[guidogodoy] Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:06:36 PM 
I can. I didn't mind Turbo (shouldn't have played it live two tours ago, IMO), LOVED Locked in and had a new respect for Out in the Cold from the video Priest Live.

Then again, I am also a big fan of Nostra. Train to it just about every time I run. Take my comments as you will. They are genuine, however.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:45:49 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, May 05, 2009 3:45:49 PM 
How can anybody disagree that "Turbo" is Judas Priest's worst album? Man Maple Syrup this album reeks of terrible songwritting."Turbo Lover and Locked In are two of Judas Priest's worst songs they have ever written
and in my book is an embarrasment to fans of Judas Priest and the entire heavy metal community. YUK! LOL!

"Turbo lover"........."Locked In"..... "Private Property"......."Parental Guidance"....."Rock You All Around The World"......."Out In The Cold"........"Hot For Love"......."Wild Nights".......

These are  "*" of Judas Priest's worst songs ever recorded!!!!!!!!!!!  Grade this album an "F" for   "failure".
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Maple Syrup from Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:39:59 PM)
[metalmaz] Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:52:24 AM 
Well it strikes me as very strange that they stated that they were going to perform the whole of Nostradamus live and they've decided instead to do an album that is not that far off 30 years old instead. 

In London they played 2 songs from Nostradamus.  They hardly plugged the new album did they?! 

So if they want to play it so very very very much, why not do it on the back of the release?

Oh well maybe they will in 29 years.
[Bazookajoe_666] Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:29:45 AM 
Where have you read that Priest are never going to perform Nostradamus live?

Ironically, the band keeps saying they are GOING to play it sometime later in the year or at the latest next year. They all want to.
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[Maple Syrup] Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:39:59 PM 
Wasnt their worst J.D sorry....This flyer featues: Locked In & TL..1986 MpleSyrp
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, May 03, 2009 2:42:40 PM 

I may not like Nostradamus either Necroticist,but there is no way that it is "worse" than this ugly terrible lame pop sold out album in "TURBO"!!!!!

Turbo is thier worst album,Demolition and Nostradamus are next.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Necroticist from Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:12:01 AM)
[Necroticist] Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:12:01 AM 
yes - let's celebrate the worst release JP ever sad.....
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:04:25 AM 

I guess Iam suprised in all the albums they have done.. There was so much Hype about this one,, and then the Grammy Nom.. ect... why this album????   In the past years their other albums,  did so much better,and had so much more reconigition.  ect... I was suprised about the Grammy Nom, to begin with...

A few songs I really like off Nostradamus, but overall it is not my Fav Priest Album..



[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:01:51 AM 

LOL  ... 

Hey Metalmaz.. how are ya???

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalmaz from Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:00:41 AM)
[metalmaz] Sunday, May 03, 2009 11:00:41 AM 
One of the most disappointing albums ever in my opinion. 

Priest must feel the same. They changed their tune about playing it all live.  
[67gemini] Saturday, May 02, 2009 7:15:27 AM 
Overall, I really like the album. Lately I haven't listened to it as much, but that is normal. When it was first released I don't think I took it out of the cd player for months. While I do think it is inferior to AOR, there are still some strong tracks on there: "Prophecy", "Death", "Persecution", "Exiled", "Nostradamus", and "Future of Mankind".
[scorpion01] Tuesday, April 28, 2009 2:48:08 PM 
[Bazookajoe_666] Tuesday, April 28, 2009 11:39:27 AM 
I like to call Nostradamus a dynamic piece of symphonic metal. But at the same time extremely overblown haha. But I do love the record anyway.
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 24, 2009 3:06:08 PM 

Yeah,I know Cobras...Nostradamus is a very well put together album and it does have "some" heavy metal in it,even though I don't consider it a "heavy metal album" still has some good tracks,and must be appreciated in its own right.

Maybe I will appreciate this album alot more when Priest releases the next album.

I will keep my faith and trust this band I've loved for so many years. If I did'nt rant and rave about them,I would'nt care,obviously "I do care".

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Cobras-Aura from Friday, April 24, 2009 7:01:15 AM)
[Head banger] Friday, April 24, 2009 7:28:27 AM 
something tells me a priest fan must keep the faith!!!
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[Screamin' Demon] Friday, April 24, 2009 7:01:15 AM 
That's the way JD. And although Nostradamus may not have hit as hard as AOR did...the Priest Feast is one of the best tours this band has made, never before have they been so hungry to blow us away with such amazing shows. Plus, as far as Nostradamus album goes...hey at least you can say we got a new bone crunching essential Priest song....Death. Other than that, one of my favourite Priest songs has also come on this record...Visions. I'm sure their next album will be something bone crunching. Nostradamus isn't bad...they gave us something very epic which when listened to from beginning to quite amazing. Now let us see them do a mini Nostradamus tour after the US tour and then back to a true Priest record.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, April 24, 2009 3:29:59 AM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, April 24, 2009 3:29:59 AM 

Ok,I will finaley "have some faith"'ve convinced me after all. And people say that posting your opinions don't matter? Ha Ha,they do. I must find it in me to trust Judas Priest to put out a traditional style album for thier next LP.

I will be waiting for the next album hellrider,and yes it makes sense that the band would do something along the lines of a british heavy metal album!

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[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:49:42 PM 
LOL.. yeah she looks a little psyco...
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[Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:46:43 PM 
That lady looks scary!!
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:27:18 PM 
Right on man.  I still don't have any "faith" to keep. Since the year 2000....9 years have passed with 3 albums under thier belt ...the experimental and terrible(in my opinion)"Demolition" from 2001....
.....the killer album of true British Heavy Metal in "Angel Of Retribution" from 2005 .....and the again "experimental" album of Nostradamus from 2008......... There is no telling "what" the band will do next....

Thats "one" album in the last 9 years that is a worthy Judas Priest album in my opinion only,I know we all have different opinions here,I'm just giving mine thats all.So to "me" I have no faith in the band returning to it's "roots" here.
I want a killer album like Retribution,but I don't have any faith in them delivering one.  How can I?
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[Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:55:26 PM 
When the song was available here, I didn't want to listen to it, mainly because I wanted to hear the album in its entirety and not just hear a piece of it over and over again before the album was finally in my hands. I still like reminds me of the Painkiller song, in a way.
[Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:27:54 PM 
Hey man Rob said that when (not if), when Priest do a new album it will NOT be like Nostradamus. That was a one time thing and they aren't going to do that again. Keep your faith.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:51:31 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:23:58 PM 

Yes Vaillant 3.0 ....Judas Priest "scares me" anymore.  At thier age right now,and the Nostradamus album....I think that the band will either "retire" after this tour,or simply put out another album as non-metal-as Nostradamus.

If I am wrong,I will log on here and admit it in front of everybody. But I don't think I'm going to be wrong here,I think with Rob's slow stage movement and with Deep Freeze's posts about how he just does'nt seem to be "into it" anymore...makes me think that the band should just retire after this British Steel set list-tour. 

In my opinion,Nostradamus should of been the time when the band should of pulled everything together and tried to create the best Judas Priest album they could possibly create,like they did with Angel Of Retribution which may not be Priest's best album,but they sure as hell came me its the band's 5th best album. But I just don't see them "returning to thier roots". Thats just my opinion. Call me a pessimist,and I "am" but I  "may" be right here folks.

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[Screamin' Demon] Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:29:16 AM 
Nostradamus isn't a bad album, but when I want to listen to heavy metal, it doesn't phase me. Nostradamus however, really phases me when I want to listen to something epic and long like a story. What that mindset, it is mindblowing. I think it would be good to hear all live if they drop as much synth as possible and replace it with crunching metal guitars.
[Vaillant 3.0] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:58:26 PM 
Hey, J.D. Just a bit curious. What really brought you to this conclusion? Are you afraid JP will follow the same road as Metallica? Have there been other bands that also "experimented" and gone astray from the world of Heavy Metal? Is that why you're being distrustful of this band and its ability to return to its metal roots? Enlighten me, because I'm still learning about this genre.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:51:31 PM)
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[spapad] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:55:51 PM 
Now that is one Chilling awesome Moment! I loved the Metal Masters tour! But, you know I cant remember every song they played. After three hours of music it was gettin late and I was a little intoxicated! LOL Shame on me. Had a great time though! Met some fun people. I just wish festival seating was still the norm, because I would have been on the rails all night bangin' my head! Miss that!
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[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:51:42 PM 
definatly  exspecally live like when i saw the priest last year in toronto.and rob was screaming pain       pain                killer          killer        pain       pain            killer        kiiiiiillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. i seriouly felt my brain rattle.totally intense.
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[spapad] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:20:00 PM 
I love anytime Rob hits his highs! It just sends chills down my spine!
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[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 8:10:15 PM 
i can still remember the moment very clear when i first listened to it.started off i thought and still do think it sounds like something from turbo then all off a sudden wack right in the face killer halford scream
[spapad] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:32:26 PM 
I love that song too MG, when I got my Nos CD set, I just kept hitting repeat when I would reach that song! Of course I like other songs on there but that one I love.
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[Painkiller87] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 7:13:30 PM 
Ok now I feel upset by some of these comments. Nostradamus was most certainly a heavy metal album. It has a progressive edge to it, it's not like they went into something Dream Theater usually does. (Though their music is great too.) Honestly I am a very flexible metal fan who loves so many different genres in metal it's not even funny! Priest will always be heavy metal, and no one should lose faith in a band just because of one album IMHO.
[DelivererofEvil] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:10:48 PM 
With all due respect, and honestly I'm not slahing at you or insulting you in anyway, J.D.

How can you even say that? Did you say the same thing after TURBO?
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:51:31 PM 
I have NO FAITH in JUdas Priest anymore.Not after Nostradamus.  I still like Priest but I am tired of thier experimental albums. Saxon to me is the kings of british heavy metal with thier consistancy. Hail SAXON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:45:33 PM 
Yes i always have and always will love the Mighty Priest...   I like some songs on Nostradamus, but not alot of them. I must say, one of my Favs is ALONE..  I really like that song.. 
[Becks] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:37:37 PM 
You bring up some very good points, DoE. I totally agree with you about each Priest album sounds different. Like I said in my post, still unmistakeably Priest, with the same musical depth and all that good stuff, but still different! Your examples of SFV and DOTF are so true.
I see your points JD, whilst I don't necessarily agree with them I respect them, that's what a healthy debate is about.
After all, aren't we all here for one reason? Our love of the mighty Priest! the band I personally love more than any other.
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[Head banger] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:35:57 PM 
Your right, you cant dissasociate priest from traditional metal, even if they dont play it.  look at lee arron.  she doenst play anything rock (not sure that she was metal, certainly not traditional) she plays jazz now.  but she did rock, and say the name, people think rock.  say the name priest, people should think metal.  if they left it and did rap or some such shit, they would still be a (former) metal band.   they created metal, and will always be a part of it.  I just hope they create more of it!

am thinking that some of the 70's stuff is closer than sfv and defenders though. 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:22:23 PM)
[DelivererofEvil] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:22:23 PM 
People, people, people....

Throughout this whole discussion you keep forgetting something quite vital, and I really can make it without shitty comments as I am not attacking anyone or anything, and I say this before getting down to business so there are no misunderstandings!


The PRIEST are human beings, not a machine, even if we sometimes like to think of them like that. We all are perfectly entitled to have our opinion and our personal likes and dislikes in a band with such a vast and different discography.

As human beings that they are, they are forced by nature to be curious to try something different. I won't say TURBO was a genuine attempt at it since there was a lot of commercial intention behind it, and I for one don't hold grudges against it. After all, why not? They could afford to, they ventured into that area then came back to their "Home Style".

They are entitled to experiment with new things, and one thing we can be sure of is that NOT one. ONE. Priest album sounds the same as any other by them, they're all unique. Even Defenders is faster and more aggressive and less poppy driven than Screaming was, and those are deemed to be the closest PRIEST albums. This bringsall the way to 2008. After 40 years of history, a break-up and a reunion, I think it only logical that after Angel of Retribution (a very solid heavy metal record and hell of a lot more consistent than Painkiller with great rockers instread of going in all guns blazing) they would think of doing something they'd never done before. It's part of them as a band and it really shouldn't come as that much a surprise that the PRIEST would do something crazy on the next album.

Nostradamus came out a conceptual album. Fair enough, not the best conceptual album ever. Nevertheless it was an evolution in the Judas Priest sound, they experimented with orchestrations and harmonies and a more operatic approach. Let me tell you this: I think we as fans ought to be proud that even 40 years on, they still strive to inovate instead of sticking to the same formulae like many preach they should.

Don't get me wrong here: I don't want them going non-metal or into psychedelic and progressive realms. Nostradamus, for all it's "conceptuality" is still definately a heavy Metal album. Listen to Pestilence & Plague, Persecution, Alone, Visions, Nostradamus and Future of Mankind. You might not LIKE it, and that's fair enough! But it IS Heavy Metal, and while it isn't as traditional as AoR was, it definately isn't soppy Power Metal or Hard Rock.

It is JUDAS PRIEST. Love it or hate it. They have nothing left to prove to anyone.

That said there's a quote I'd like to do:

J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER".  I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after their decision to create Nostradamus.

I couldn't disagree more with those words, and I believe you didn't mean it like it came out.

JUDAS PRIEST cannot be dissociated from Heavy Metal. Not just because they invented it, that would be holding out to former glories. It's because they still are the embodiment of Heavy Metal. They're still playing the shows, playing their classics, and they've still got it in them to keep on going.
If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.

J.D., that is being extremist, and I think I've let you know that we aren't that different when it comes to our approach of new things. Nostradamus isn't a straight rocker, it isn't a traditional metal album. That doesn't mean Judas Priest are OVER and done with, quite on the contrary. It proves that there's still some flicker of creativity in them! Nostradamus didn't come out traditional, but if it had other people would have said "Bah, those Judas Priest, always doing the same thing over and over and over"

You can never please everybody. But what you can and they're doing is spread the FAITH in old school Heavy Metal with a set that is 16 songs long not just the 2 Nostradamus ones.

Furthermore, the day PRIEST wraps it up and calls it a day, you'll be taking a large chunk of the breath left in the Heavy Metal movement. The day PRIEST, MAIDEN, HEAVEN & HELL and the other great names in Heavy Metal from the old days "wrap it up and call it a day" will be the first day of the DEATH of Heavy Metal. There is no one to fill in their shoes.

As long as they have the health and the will to do so, I will applaud their perseverance to keep on playing live! Why not even release new albums from day to day?
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:21:15 PM 
I understand your point of view and respect them. I am different,I can't stand it when Priest "does something different". That is "boring to me".

Take the magnificent band "SAXON". Yes they have horrible albums from the mid-1980's but they have got wise and have been giving traditional heavy metal fans total killer british heavy metal albums for a consistant 14 years with 7 straight kick ass albums in there. 

1995- Dogs Of War
1997-Unleash The Beast
2001-Killing Ground
2007-The Inner Sanctum
2009-Into The labyrinth

All "7 albums" are consistant and each album IS NOT like each other,no way....but they all have the same killer traditional british heavy metal way just like Angel Of Retribution has.

We all have different opinions yes,and I have learned to respect them but coming from a heavy metal band in Judas Priest...the majority of long-time fans deserve better than an "experimental album".
To me,it is "selfish" of Judas Priest to keep "teasing us long time traditional british heavy metal fans" with experimental albums such as Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus.

If the band does not like playing heavy metal,then I would rather see them retire.

But I do see your points of view and how the band can do whatever they want....I just wish for me and millions of "traditional heavy metal fans" it was'nt Judas Priest who wishes to do this.
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[Becks] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 4:19:08 PM 
I don't mind Nostradamus, granted like you said JD it's not a traditional JP metal album, but I try to take each album as it comes. Plus with musicians, I don't think you can ever truly guess what is going to come out next - we've heard your stories of when Turbo came out many times LOL! For me personally, if every single album of a band that I like, JP or otherwise, was straight out of the same stock truck as the last, I could end up getting a little bored. For me JPs albums, while obviously having the same kind of muscial depth etc, have all been different in subtle enough ways to keep things fresh (yes except Turbo which came a bit out of leftfield LMAO). I have no objections to JP testing the waters with a concept album. Maybe it was a screw up, for some people it was. But isn't experimentation and pushing boundaries what a heavy metal band is about? In part at least anyways. Like I said, I take each album as it comes and try not to have high expectations (not saying you are or anything JD) - I have been stung for having high expectations before with movies, like when I got dragged along to see The Lion The Witch And The Wardrobe LOL!
Anyways, just my two cents worth
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:43:21 PM 

I obviously have to agree with Necroticist,MG and Maple Syrup.....Nostradamus in my opinion was and forever will be a major "let-down" for traditional Judas Priest fans like us.

We are not saying that our opinions are the only right opinions,but one thing is for sure.....Nostradamus as a whole,in it's entirety is definately NOT A HEAVY METAL ALBUM.

The only album that is worse than Nostradamus is 1986's Turbo.And that aint saying much! 

I think that the band's career in traditional heavy metal is "OVER".  I think that the next LP is going to be just like Nostradamus,I could be wrong but I have NO FAITH in JUDAS PRIEST after thier decision to create Nostradamus.

I am not going to psych myself out for a killer new Priest album and then have the band "pull the rug out from underneath me again" way.

If I am wrong,I will admit it and say "I was wrong". But for now...I think that if the band does not deliver a traditional british heavy metal album,then they should wrap it up and call it a day.

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[Maple Syrup] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:35:27 AM 
I am gonna agree with Necro here and state that NSTRDMS was a disappointment as well. Too long, interludes intros blah blah blah. Hardly any substance of Priest HM were used to. They missed badly on this one. Also, there has been a lot of BS about it being the highest chart topper for Priest upon its release (#12 in the US or something).. we all know that it dropped like a bag of cement upon its release. Furthermore, Priest made a buisness decision not to play it live in its entirety, which is telling. Too much drivel and hogwash... Sorry but I dont belive in the NSTDMS release.. MpleSyrp  
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:03:29 AM 
LMAO...  Iam not keen the album myself.... A few songs I like  ..
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[Necroticist] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:23:55 AM 
and what a let-down that day was....not gonna argue but that is my least fave JP moment....
[screaming_4_priest] Tuesday, April 21, 2009 5:15:36 AM 
does not seem that long ago, been listning to it ever since so much, but  it was a year ago today they realesed the Nostradamus track to us. seems like just yesterday.
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