i will definatly keep in in mind my good friend.and thank you again. hey would it be allright if i mixed this proteen egg food with there food all the time since it has the calcium and vitamins.

		guidogodoy wrote:
		Well, do as you will but you know my thoughts on the subject. Calcium to the egg-layer! If not, seizure / death will certainly be in her near future. Good luck.      hellrider 31038 wrote: dont have the heart to take out the nest guido.lol.singing green finches favorite spot siting on top of it and the zebra love it inside.they sleep in it every night.i think i will just have to make sure they are getting enough vitamins.      guidogodoy wrote: Yes sir. That would work. A non-breeder, keep the calcium high is #1. Don't forget to get that make-shift nest out of there as well. Once you take out the egg, it will only encourage her to lay another if there is still a nest. Each egg will take a great toll on her body. That is why you really need that supplement. Egg binding (it basically gets stuck) could easily kill as could low calcium from a non-breeder. Keep me posted, bro.      hellrider 31038 wrote: hey guido hope this is the right stuff.it has calcium in it to .thank you very much for tips my METAL BROTHER.      guidogodoy wrote: Just up the protein, then. CALCIUM as well. Just like Kiko, then. She is in a cage all by herself and has now laid three eggs. Never hatched, no nest. That is probably one of the worst things you could do.....make a nest. Laying an egg depeletes them of calcium more than anything else. With a nest, you are encouraging her to lay more once you remove this one or she finds it doesn't hatch. Lack of calcium from egg laying can cause seizures. Watch it, bro. Easy way to lose her.      hellrider 31038 wrote: no i am not breeding she just happened to lay an egg.excellent about Kiko.did the other eggs hatch.i have all my birds in one big like parrot size cage is it allright if they get at that eggleyers.      guidogodoy wrote: Kiko is about to lay her third egg. Keep proteins high and if you have a petstore near, get eggleyers formula. Toss it in their food dish. They lose a lot of protein dropping an egg fertilized or not. Good luck, bro, keep me posted. ps. If you are breeding it is a WHOLE other story. More advice to give on that front.      hellrider 31038 wrote: YEAH my zebra finch laid a egg yesterday.i cut up some klenex in small pieces for her to put in the nest witch she did but what do i do now.Guido WHERE ARE YOU MAN DO YOU HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE WITH THIS.

The great thing about this is that it's just opinion. Everyone has one and they only matter to them.
I surely do not want to argue anyone's point(pro or con). All I know is that I love Judas Priest and
was dying to hear something from them. Their breakup crushed me. When I heard Jugulator I was 
quite disappointed. After giving it a chance it was my opinion that it wasn't the music as much 
as the production.(poor sound quality) I went to see them live and it sounded as bad as the album. I
was starting to think this was the end of Priest. When they released Demolition I bought it out of 
support for the band. After giving it a listen the first thing I noticed was much better production. After
several listens I started liking it. I think it's pretty heavy. It may be a little different for Priest but that's
the great thing about Priest. Ever evolving, always different each time out. When I saw them live Ripper 
fit in so much better than the first time. I ended up seeing them four times on that tour. Pittsburgh, Akron,
Cleveland, and Columbus. I took friends who had never seen Priest and they loved it. Also just watching 
the crowd response(and size) made me feel pretty good. Was it Halford Priest? Of course not. But it was
still the Priest. Scott still pounding the drums, K.K. and Glenn still shredding the guitars, Ian was still 
the backbone. And Ripper did just fine on vocals. Buy Live in London and listen to him do Diamonds and
Rust. It may rival Rob's version. I am much happier with Rob in the band  but I was equally as glad to just
have Priest doing something again.  Peace

yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.

the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans.  dunno.

		guidogodoy wrote:
		That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback. Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.      Head banger wrote: the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died.  Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.      Deep Freeze wrote: Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me; While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love. Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest. I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture. When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.      Budred wrote: Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...   Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.   Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.    Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,      his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has        always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator         was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some            very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great              sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.                                                              PEACE!

yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.

the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans.  dunno.

		guidogodoy wrote:
		That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback. Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.      Head banger wrote: the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died.  Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.      Deep Freeze wrote: Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me; While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love. Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest. I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture. When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.      Budred wrote: Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...   Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.   Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.    Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,      his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has        always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator         was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some            very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great              sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.                                                              PEACE!