| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:48:49 AM | |
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Good Day, my friend.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:46:28 AM)| |  | _strat_ wrote: | | OK, Im totaly and uterly confused now.
Just in time too. Almost 3 in the afternoon, so Im off home. See you in an hour or two, or maybe tomorow. Whatever. Cya.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!! I said that so you would know it is me!!!! MAN! You are lousy at comedy! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | A prepowhat? Sorry, English grammar was never my strong point. I usualy relied on reading comrehension to pass the tests.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ..the thing with which you agree... Don't end you sentence with a preposition! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:46:28 AM | |
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OK, Im totaly and uterly confused now.
Just in time too. Almost 3 in the afternoon, so Im off home. See you in an hour or two, or maybe tomorow. Whatever. Cya.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:43:35 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!! I said that so you would know it is me!!!! MAN! You are lousy at comedy! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | A prepowhat? Sorry, English grammar was never my strong point. I usualy relied on reading comrehension to pass the tests.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ..the thing with which you agree... Don't end you sentence with a preposition! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:43:35 AM | |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!! I said that so you would know it is me!!!! MAN! You are lousy at comedy! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:40:04 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | A prepowhat? Sorry, English grammar was never my strong point. I usualy relied on reading comrehension to pass the tests.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ..the thing with which you agree... Don't end you sentence with a preposition! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:40:04 AM | |
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A prepowhat? Sorry, English grammar was never my strong point. I usualy relied on reading comrehension to pass the tests.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:37:58 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | ..the thing with which you agree... Don't end you sentence with a preposition! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:37:58 AM | |
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..the thing with which you agree... Don't end you sentence with a preposition! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:36:46 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:36:46 AM | |
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Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:35:12 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:35:12 AM | |
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You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:33:01 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:33:01 AM | |
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Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:59:38 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [Head banger] Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:20:38 AM | |
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I think you hit on a key here. those who show respect earn it. Those who demand respect rarely get it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:59:38 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:59:38 AM | |
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At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [devils_child] Monday, December 01, 2008 8:38:34 PM | |
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I want to talk about Rob's chest hair and French horn.... Oh wait there's already a thread for that, my bad.  Why don't you educate us on the subject of Respect Freeze?.... I'd like to know what you think |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, December 01, 2008 9:52:55 AM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:50:38 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok, mistranslation on my part.
Well, why dont we just do it the way we always do. You come up with something, and ill be there to disagree. OK?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do believe the word is snobbery.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Is there a difference? How about snobism?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm....Decorum?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Fuck no.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm....How about manners?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair. |
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| [_strat_] Monday, December 01, 2008 9:50:38 AM | |
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Ok, mistranslation on my part.
Well, why dont we just do it the way we always do. You come up with something, and ill be there to disagree. OK?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:48:07 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I do believe the word is snobbery.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Is there a difference? How about snobism?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm....Decorum?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Fuck no.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm....How about manners?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, December 01, 2008 9:48:07 AM | |
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I do believe the word is snobbery.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:43:20 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Is there a difference? How about snobism?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm....Decorum?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Fuck no.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm....How about manners?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair. |
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| [_strat_] Monday, December 01, 2008 9:43:20 AM | |
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Is there a difference? How about snobism?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:42:24 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm....Decorum?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Fuck no.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm....How about manners?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, December 01, 2008 9:42:24 AM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Umm....Decorum?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:40:36 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Fuck no.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm....How about manners?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair. |
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| [_strat_] Monday, December 01, 2008 9:40:36 AM | |
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Fuck no.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:39:19 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmmm....How about manners?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, December 01, 2008 9:39:19 AM | |
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Hmmm....How about manners?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:34:55 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair. |
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| [_strat_] Monday, December 01, 2008 9:34:55 AM | |
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| Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair. |
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| [Head banger] Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:06:18 PM | |
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yep.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:58:57 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [_strat_] Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:06:37 PM | |
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Thank you very much. Now everyone will say Im a geek.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:43:17 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You most certainly are passing! In fact, you are my STAR pupil!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How's THAT grab you????????
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, of course, if someone wears a leather jacket that means that he/she is not exactly a PETA supporter. It does tell something. And swearing tells that the person does not have a problem with swearing. Anything else is more or less just assuming, and is something that should be imo avoided.
So, for this and the previous posts, what do my grades look like? Did I pass?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I think that you have all hit upon something important. It has a lot to do with culture. Different parts of the world have different ideas as to what is profane and what is not. Guido is quite right in that the English "prudes" have really impacted our language. The fact remains, what may be "profane" or "obscene" to one may not be so to another.
I cannot really agree with strat's logic regarding "judging" people by their speech just as you would the clothes they wear. I mean, I always try to take into account the person with whom I am speaking. I will say this, HOW a person dresses does say something about them. No doubt about it. For instance, I would never even consider wearing my pants so low that my underwear show! Nor would I wear a shirt with a curse word printed on it, for example. To me, it would not be dignified for a person of my age to do such a thing. THERE is a word; dignity. I believe that I will consider the topic of dignity in our next discussion. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:43:17 AM | |
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You most certainly are passing! In fact, you are my STAR pupil!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How's THAT grab you????????
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:09:06 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, of course, if someone wears a leather jacket that means that he/she is not exactly a PETA supporter. It does tell something. And swearing tells that the person does not have a problem with swearing. Anything else is more or less just assuming, and is something that should be imo avoided.
So, for this and the previous posts, what do my grades look like? Did I pass?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I think that you have all hit upon something important. It has a lot to do with culture. Different parts of the world have different ideas as to what is profane and what is not. Guido is quite right in that the English "prudes" have really impacted our language. The fact remains, what may be "profane" or "obscene" to one may not be so to another.
I cannot really agree with strat's logic regarding "judging" people by their speech just as you would the clothes they wear. I mean, I always try to take into account the person with whom I am speaking. I will say this, HOW a person dresses does say something about them. No doubt about it. For instance, I would never even consider wearing my pants so low that my underwear show! Nor would I wear a shirt with a curse word printed on it, for example. To me, it would not be dignified for a person of my age to do such a thing. THERE is a word; dignity. I believe that I will consider the topic of dignity in our next discussion. |
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| [_strat_] Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:10:48 AM | |
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What a terrible and sexist remark! Of course the other parts are of value too! Like boobs or ass...
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| [_strat_] Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:09:06 AM | |
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Well, of course, if someone wears a leather jacket that means that he/she is not exactly a PETA supporter. It does tell something. And swearing tells that the person does not have a problem with swearing. Anything else is more or less just assuming, and is something that should be imo avoided.
So, for this and the previous posts, what do my grades look like? Did I pass?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:50:03 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I think that you have all hit upon something important. It has a lot to do with culture. Different parts of the world have different ideas as to what is profane and what is not. Guido is quite right in that the English "prudes" have really impacted our language. The fact remains, what may be "profane" or "obscene" to one may not be so to another.
I cannot really agree with strat's logic regarding "judging" people by their speech just as you would the clothes they wear. I mean, I always try to take into account the person with whom I am speaking. I will say this, HOW a person dresses does say something about them. No doubt about it. For instance, I would never even consider wearing my pants so low that my underwear show! Nor would I wear a shirt with a curse word printed on it, for example. To me, it would not be dignified for a person of my age to do such a thing. THERE is a word; dignity. I believe that I will consider the topic of dignity in our next discussion. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:58:57 AM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:55:22 AM) |
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| [Head banger] Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:58:16 AM | |
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yeah, its funny that showing a mom nursing can be sexual??? how do the swear words work in other languages? german, japanese, stuff of different backgrounds.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:44:43 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | YOU RANG? LOL!
Reading backwards over the posts of the day, it was the first thing that came to mind when considering "swearing" and "offensive words" (not necessarily one and the same) in most Romance Languages. Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian all tend to have the heaviest (meaning most offensive) words associated with religion. It also varies from country to country. "Hostia" for example is a pretty innocent one in English. Simply means the "Host" as in Catholic religious ceremonies. Say it in Spain to a grandmother (always my unit of measure) and you'll probably get slapped! However, human sexual organs and acts are usually pretty mild.
I've always thought it curious how English prudes seem to have gotten it "backwards." Then again, I also notice that the same goes for nudity here where I live (heart of the Bible belt). Violence on tv and movies? No trouble. Heaven FORBID you show a boob! Even a mother nursing seems to have people avert their eyes around here.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, I only realy speak english. but, I know a few words of french, we need guido.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, more languages... Aside from English, which is a world language, and Slovenian which is my native one, I speak only Serbo-Croat. So, I can say that it holds pretty much true in Slovenian and Serbo-Croat as well as in English. Though I must say that Serbo-Croat has the best swear words. We have taken most of them for our own, infact.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | so, strat, since you speak a more languages that me, does that hold true everywhere? French, the big swears are religious in nature.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok, Im rewriting this message, because the language filter wouldnt let through my uncensored version (go figure..). So here is my censored version (thanks a lot, Murray. It took me 20 mins to write the uncensored one):
Ok, Ive read this a couple of times, and I think I finaly get what you meant.
While I agree that there is need to "tailor" your language to the audience to make sure that they understand it, I think its quite another to tailor the language to make sure that the audience is not offended by certain words that are deemed "socaily unacceptable".
Practicly ever form of trade, proffesion, education... etc. has its own special expressions that are largely unknown outside of it. If the issue is to tell them in "laymans terms", that is one thing. But we all understand the basic swear words. Again, I dont see any need to omit swearing from ones language.
I mean, swear words are what? References to stuff that is or was a taboo. Sexuality, most obviously. Which is a perfectly normal and common thing. But still, most common expressions for sexual organs or sex are deemed more or less offensive. Or other things, like "shit". Whats more normal than that?
Thats why I dont like it when people get so upset over swearing. Its just words that mostly refer to prefectly normal things. Words wont hurt anyone. They wont kill anyone. They wont make drug addicts out of us. Thats basicly what "obscenity" is all about. Making a fuss about nothing. And thats why I dont have any problem whatesoever with swearing.
Or if we talk about what do we tell about ourselves with the language we use. Well, here it is. I dont mind swearing. Does that alone make me a thug? Hardly. If other people take it that way, well, all I can say is its their problem. Judging others by the language that they use is imo same as judging people by the clothes they wear or music that they listen to. Its really much more complicated than that.
Now... I may have strayed from the discussion a bit, but here is my point, as good as it gets.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [Head banger] Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:55:22 AM | |
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I think the C bomb is to imply that the only part of that person of value is well, that part. a friend of mine compares it to calling a guy a paycheque.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by devils_child from Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:28:55 AM)| | | devils_child wrote: | | Are there any Germans here?.... where's Udo when you need him?.... I have heard that Germans are pretty open with the whole sex / nudity thing. What is it like within the language?.... I want to know what is deemed offensive in terms of language... Here in Australia general curse words that are pretty much accepted are like the "F-Bomb" haha and "shit". Most offensive I think is the "C-Bomb" and I'm not referring to 'crap'. I think it varies from person to person however. I tell you now, I don't mind the "C-Bomb" but say the word "slut" in my presence and I will give you an ear full....... Words that imply certain things about a person insult me and that being one of those words which applies only to women drives me insane.... It's disrespectful laguage at it's most offensive to me. 
As Freeze and a few others have mentioned it has alot to do with the people you are associating with in conversation, I would certainly not use profane language in front of my grandparents, at work or around young children. Yes let's talk about decency..... Hahaha... |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:20:51 AM | |
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Dignity, Mara my dear. Dignity.
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| [Everleigh] Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:18:33 AM | |
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| I totally agree with Freeze about the low-hanging pants:) I would like to add that any woman, no matter how big or small her ass(ets) should NOT, I repeat NOT, wear sweats with the word "Juicy" printed on the butt. Not a good look. And don't get me started on gum-cracking, and loud gum-chewing....I have called customer service centers at times, and get the rep who is loudly chewing her cud.....Yecchh.... |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:50:03 AM | |
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I think that you have all hit upon something important. It has a lot to do with culture. Different parts of the world have different ideas as to what is profane and what is not. Guido is quite right in that the English "prudes" have really impacted our language. The fact remains, what may be "profane" or "obscene" to one may not be so to another.
I cannot really agree with strat's logic regarding "judging" people by their speech just as you would the clothes they wear. I mean, I always try to take into account the person with whom I am speaking. I will say this, HOW a person dresses does say something about them. No doubt about it. For instance, I would never even consider wearing my pants so low that my underwear show! Nor would I wear a shirt with a curse word printed on it, for example. To me, it would not be dignified for a person of my age to do such a thing. THERE is a word; dignity. I believe that I will consider the topic of dignity in our next discussion. |
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| [devils_child] Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:28:55 AM | |
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Are there any Germans here?.... where's Udo when you need him?.... I have heard that Germans are pretty open with the whole sex / nudity thing. What is it like within the language?.... I want to know what is deemed offensive in terms of language... Here in Australia general curse words that are pretty much accepted are like the "F-Bomb" haha and "shit". Most offensive I think is the "C-Bomb" and I'm not referring to 'crap'. I think it varies from person to person however. I tell you now, I don't mind the "C-Bomb" but say the word "slut" in my presence and I will give you an ear full....... Words that imply certain things about a person insult me and that being one of those words which applies only to women drives me insane.... It's disrespectful laguage at it's most offensive to me.
As Freeze and a few others have mentioned it has alot to do with the people you are associating with in conversation, I would certainly not use profane language in front of my grandparents, at work or around young children. Yes let's talk about decency..... Hahaha... |
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| [guidogodoy] Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:44:43 PM | |
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YOU RANG? LOL!
Reading backwards over the posts of the day, it was the first thing that came to mind when considering "swearing" and "offensive words" (not necessarily one and the same) in most Romance Languages. Spanish, Portuguese, French, Italian all tend to have the heaviest (meaning most offensive) words associated with religion. It also varies from country to country. "Hostia" for example is a pretty innocent one in English. Simply means the "Host" as in Catholic religious ceremonies. Say it in Spain to a grandmother (always my unit of measure) and you'll probably get slapped! However, human sexual organs and acts are usually pretty mild.
I've always thought it curious how English prudes seem to have gotten it "backwards." Then again, I also notice that the same goes for nudity here where I live (heart of the Bible belt). Violence on tv and movies? No trouble. Heaven FORBID you show a boob! Even a mother nursing seems to have people avert their eyes around here.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:13:14 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | well, I only realy speak english. but, I know a few words of french, we need guido.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, more languages... Aside from English, which is a world language, and Slovenian which is my native one, I speak only Serbo-Croat. So, I can say that it holds pretty much true in Slovenian and Serbo-Croat as well as in English. Though I must say that Serbo-Croat has the best swear words. We have taken most of them for our own, infact.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | so, strat, since you speak a more languages that me, does that hold true everywhere? French, the big swears are religious in nature.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok, Im rewriting this message, because the language filter wouldnt let through my uncensored version (go figure..). So here is my censored version (thanks a lot, Murray. It took me 20 mins to write the uncensored one):
Ok, Ive read this a couple of times, and I think I finaly get what you meant.
While I agree that there is need to "tailor" your language to the audience to make sure that they understand it, I think its quite another to tailor the language to make sure that the audience is not offended by certain words that are deemed "socaily unacceptable".
Practicly ever form of trade, proffesion, education... etc. has its own special expressions that are largely unknown outside of it. If the issue is to tell them in "laymans terms", that is one thing. But we all understand the basic swear words. Again, I dont see any need to omit swearing from ones language.
I mean, swear words are what? References to stuff that is or was a taboo. Sexuality, most obviously. Which is a perfectly normal and common thing. But still, most common expressions for sexual organs or sex are deemed more or less offensive. Or other things, like "shit". Whats more normal than that?
Thats why I dont like it when people get so upset over swearing. Its just words that mostly refer to prefectly normal things. Words wont hurt anyone. They wont kill anyone. They wont make drug addicts out of us. Thats basicly what "obscenity" is all about. Making a fuss about nothing. And thats why I dont have any problem whatesoever with swearing.
Or if we talk about what do we tell about ourselves with the language we use. Well, here it is. I dont mind swearing. Does that alone make me a thug? Hardly. If other people take it that way, well, all I can say is its their problem. Judging others by the language that they use is imo same as judging people by the clothes they wear or music that they listen to. Its really much more complicated than that.
Now... I may have strayed from the discussion a bit, but here is my point, as good as it gets.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:59:37 PM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well said, strat! Well said, indeed! A wonderfully well thought-out post! If nothing else, I have stirred the fires of debate and given you pause to ponder, as it were!!! I love it! GREAT job!
The beauty of it all is that we all have an opinion and there really is no "wrong" answer. I believe you and I have many differences but, at the end of the day, we always seem to get our points across! I love it! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| [Head banger] Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:13:14 PM | |
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well, I only realy speak english. but, I know a few words of french, we need guido.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:58:50 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, more languages... Aside from English, which is a world language, and Slovenian which is my native one, I speak only Serbo-Croat. So, I can say that it holds pretty much true in Slovenian and Serbo-Croat as well as in English. Though I must say that Serbo-Croat has the best swear words. We have taken most of them for our own, infact.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | so, strat, since you speak a more languages that me, does that hold true everywhere? French, the big swears are religious in nature.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok, Im rewriting this message, because the language filter wouldnt let through my uncensored version (go figure..). So here is my censored version (thanks a lot, Murray. It took me 20 mins to write the uncensored one):
Ok, Ive read this a couple of times, and I think I finaly get what you meant.
While I agree that there is need to "tailor" your language to the audience to make sure that they understand it, I think its quite another to tailor the language to make sure that the audience is not offended by certain words that are deemed "socaily unacceptable".
Practicly ever form of trade, proffesion, education... etc. has its own special expressions that are largely unknown outside of it. If the issue is to tell them in "laymans terms", that is one thing. But we all understand the basic swear words. Again, I dont see any need to omit swearing from ones language.
I mean, swear words are what? References to stuff that is or was a taboo. Sexuality, most obviously. Which is a perfectly normal and common thing. But still, most common expressions for sexual organs or sex are deemed more or less offensive. Or other things, like "shit". Whats more normal than that?
Thats why I dont like it when people get so upset over swearing. Its just words that mostly refer to prefectly normal things. Words wont hurt anyone. They wont kill anyone. They wont make drug addicts out of us. Thats basicly what "obscenity" is all about. Making a fuss about nothing. And thats why I dont have any problem whatesoever with swearing.
Or if we talk about what do we tell about ourselves with the language we use. Well, here it is. I dont mind swearing. Does that alone make me a thug? Hardly. If other people take it that way, well, all I can say is its their problem. Judging others by the language that they use is imo same as judging people by the clothes they wear or music that they listen to. Its really much more complicated than that.
Now... I may have strayed from the discussion a bit, but here is my point, as good as it gets.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well, more languages... Aside from English, which is a world language, and Slovenian which is my native one, I speak only Serbo-Croat. So, I can say that it holds pretty much true in Slovenian and Serbo-Croat as well as in English. Though I must say that Serbo-Croat has the best swear words. We have taken most of them for our own, infact.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:42:12 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | so, strat, since you speak a more languages that me, does that hold true everywhere? French, the big swears are religious in nature.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok, Im rewriting this message, because the language filter wouldnt let through my uncensored version (go figure..). So here is my censored version (thanks a lot, Murray. It took me 20 mins to write the uncensored one):
Ok, Ive read this a couple of times, and I think I finaly get what you meant.
While I agree that there is need to "tailor" your language to the audience to make sure that they understand it, I think its quite another to tailor the language to make sure that the audience is not offended by certain words that are deemed "socaily unacceptable".
Practicly ever form of trade, proffesion, education... etc. has its own special expressions that are largely unknown outside of it. If the issue is to tell them in "laymans terms", that is one thing. But we all understand the basic swear words. Again, I dont see any need to omit swearing from ones language.
I mean, swear words are what? References to stuff that is or was a taboo. Sexuality, most obviously. Which is a perfectly normal and common thing. But still, most common expressions for sexual organs or sex are deemed more or less offensive. Or other things, like "shit". Whats more normal than that?
Thats why I dont like it when people get so upset over swearing. Its just words that mostly refer to prefectly normal things. Words wont hurt anyone. They wont kill anyone. They wont make drug addicts out of us. Thats basicly what "obscenity" is all about. Making a fuss about nothing. And thats why I dont have any problem whatesoever with swearing.
Or if we talk about what do we tell about ourselves with the language we use. Well, here it is. I dont mind swearing. Does that alone make me a thug? Hardly. If other people take it that way, well, all I can say is its their problem. Judging others by the language that they use is imo same as judging people by the clothes they wear or music that they listen to. Its really much more complicated than that.
Now... I may have strayed from the discussion a bit, but here is my point, as good as it gets.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [Head banger] Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:42:12 PM | |
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so, strat, since you speak a more languages that me, does that hold true everywhere? French, the big swears are religious in nature.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:30:32 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok, Im rewriting this message, because the language filter wouldnt let through my uncensored version (go figure..). So here is my censored version (thanks a lot, Murray. It took me 20 mins to write the uncensored one):
Ok, Ive read this a couple of times, and I think I finaly get what you meant.
While I agree that there is need to "tailor" your language to the audience to make sure that they understand it, I think its quite another to tailor the language to make sure that the audience is not offended by certain words that are deemed "socaily unacceptable".
Practicly ever form of trade, proffesion, education... etc. has its own special expressions that are largely unknown outside of it. If the issue is to tell them in "laymans terms", that is one thing. But we all understand the basic swear words. Again, I dont see any need to omit swearing from ones language.
I mean, swear words are what? References to stuff that is or was a taboo. Sexuality, most obviously. Which is a perfectly normal and common thing. But still, most common expressions for sexual organs or sex are deemed more or less offensive. Or other things, like "shit". Whats more normal than that?
Thats why I dont like it when people get so upset over swearing. Its just words that mostly refer to prefectly normal things. Words wont hurt anyone. They wont kill anyone. They wont make drug addicts out of us. Thats basicly what "obscenity" is all about. Making a fuss about nothing. And thats why I dont have any problem whatesoever with swearing.
Or if we talk about what do we tell about ourselves with the language we use. Well, here it is. I dont mind swearing. Does that alone make me a thug? Hardly. If other people take it that way, well, all I can say is its their problem. Judging others by the language that they use is imo same as judging people by the clothes they wear or music that they listen to. Its really much more complicated than that.
Now... I may have strayed from the discussion a bit, but here is my point, as good as it gets.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [_strat_] Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:31:22 PM | |
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Said the one with 15.000 + posts... [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:53:09 PM)
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Exactly, WAI. Strat,
verbose (adj): given to wordiness
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| [_strat_] Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:30:32 PM | |
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Ok, Im rewriting this message, because the language filter wouldnt let through my uncensored version (go figure..). So here is my censored version (thanks a lot, Murray. It took me 20 mins to write the uncensored one):
Ok, Ive read this a couple of times, and I think I finaly get what you meant.
While I agree that there is need to "tailor" your language to the audience to make sure that they understand it, I think its quite another to tailor the language to make sure that the audience is not offended by certain words that are deemed "socaily unacceptable".
Practicly ever form of trade, proffesion, education... etc. has its own special expressions that are largely unknown outside of it. If the issue is to tell them in "laymans terms", that is one thing. But we all understand the basic swear words. Again, I dont see any need to omit swearing from ones language.
I mean, swear words are what? References to stuff that is or was a taboo. Sexuality, most obviously. Which is a perfectly normal and common thing. But still, most common expressions for sexual organs or sex are deemed more or less offensive. Or other things, like "shit". Whats more normal than that?
Thats why I dont like it when people get so upset over swearing. Its just words that mostly refer to prefectly normal things. Words wont hurt anyone. They wont kill anyone. They wont make drug addicts out of us. Thats basicly what "obscenity" is all about. Making a fuss about nothing. And thats why I dont have any problem whatesoever with swearing.
Or if we talk about what do we tell about ourselves with the language we use. Well, here it is. I dont mind swearing. Does that alone make me a thug? Hardly. If other people take it that way, well, all I can say is its their problem. Judging others by the language that they use is imo same as judging people by the clothes they wear or music that they listen to. Its really much more complicated than that.
Now... I may have strayed from the discussion a bit, but here is my point, as good as it gets.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:06:48 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:53:09 PM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Exactly, WAI. Strat,
verbose (adj): given to wordiness
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Deep Freeze.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:06:37 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Um... Nope, didnt get any of that. WTF is "verbose"?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [_strat_] Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:06:37 PM | |
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Um... Nope, didnt get any of that. WTF is "verbose"?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:06:48 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:06:48 AM | |
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Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes..... It is my duty to creep people out...  .
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by stratlover from Friday, November 28, 2008 5:11:25 PM)| | | stratlover wrote: | | Ok, a bit of a delay on the response. I had a bit of trouble finding the right post, because of the very amusing conversation you had with DC. And when I say amusing... I actually mean a little bit disturbing.
Well, I definatly have an image of people based on what they say. But the thing is that with you and with other members that Ive known for a long time, that image depends more on the content of what theyre saying, than on how they say it. The way people express themselves here is more of a first immpression thing. At least for me, anyway.
Now, about the immpression that others get from your language... That depends greatly from person to person. I would never consider someone who dosent swear to be more intelligent that someone who does, and Im sure that many people would agree with me on this one. Infact, for me people who wouldnt swear if their life depended on it are exactly the opposite of inteligent. IDK, maybe its just that I always had a bit of an alergy to people who are so sure that their shit doesnt stink, and who think that they are above such common things like swearing and dirty jokes. Not saying that I think youre one of them, of course. Its just that I think that much of this anti-swearing bullshit comes from exactly such people.
Oh, and to return the "little brother"... I imagine you as being one step away from those old guys that keep going on about how it was like "n their day".
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh strat! Will you and I ever find common ground? You are like a little brother that simply will NOT stop jabbing! HAHAHAHA!! (kidding, of course). I used the word "cheapen" more as an attempt to illustrate a point rather than actually define. Perhaps ours is simply a cultural difference, strat? I was raised to believe, and still do, that the language one uses and the vocabulary one employs tells others about them. It tells them how educated, dignified and intelligent you are and it allows another to more clearly understand your meaning. Certainly there are many on this Board that have a mental image of who I am based on what they read?
For me, language is far more than simply communicating. That does not mean it must be so for all. You and I have had differences on a variety of subjects and I always find that I come away from them with a bit more knowledge than that with which I came. I learn a bit more about you and, I hope, you do the same with regard to me. In all my 48 years of life, I have endeavored to learn. I hope that I never stop.
| | | stratlover wrote: | | Cheapening? Well, Im not such a great expert in English to judge that, but I will stay with my opinion - language for me is merely a mean for communication, nothing less, nothing more. And therefore, cheapening (or expesnifying, or whatever the fuck would the opposite of cheapening be) is imo completely irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is that the person youre talking to can understand you, and vice versa.
Oh, and you will have to remind me which outburst was that. Izs kinda hard for me to keep track of them all.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You are in no "trouble", my dear. Neither was strat when he jabbed me with his "outburst". All in good fun, I assure you! I think an intellectual discussion every now and again is a good idea. I am pleased to see there is interest!
The thing is, profanity is a part of our language. For better or worse. I have always considered it a form of cheapening the language which we speak, however, I am one of the few. The majority of people seem to believe it is a perfectly acceptable form of communication. Certainly it is to be expected on a "rock band's website", no? I am not the least bit surprised that it is quite popular here among our group. Does not mean that we are any less human. Nor does it mean one is less important or whatever. Nonesense.
I have used foul language. I do so even to this very day. I do NOT use it in front of my mother, grandmother, granchildren or strangers! To me, this is just not done. I also eschew profanity in a public forum, but that is simply because you just never know who may be reading what you write and I would be rather ashamed for certain people to read something like that from me. That is just how I feel. This is a public forum. I do not walk downtown, swearing in front of strangers and I will not do it in a public place. When I am with intimate friends, I might let one or two foul words slip, but that is rare.
I am not attempting to define righteousness through speech. What is "acceptable" to some may not be so to others and so, while in a public forum, I choose to use language that I believe is acceptable to all at all times.
| | | WhiskeyWoman wrote: | | Hey there Strat... oh, he knows I'm a smart-ass! 
Gosh, d'ya think I was hard on Freeze? No, no, no!
Well, shit. It certainly wasn't meant that way!
I really do wonder where swearing to loosen people up, falls into! I'm hoping Freeze understands it to be intellectual banter, is all...
Freeze... I have my pencil out, ready to take notes... eagerly waiting for our next class. Albeit with some trepidation now! Am I in trouble?
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| [_strat_] Friday, November 28, 2008 5:11:25 PM | |
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Ok, a bit of a delay on the response. I had a bit of trouble finding the right post, because of the very amusing conversation you had with DC. And when I say amusing... I actually mean a little bit disturbing.
Well, I definatly have an image of people based on what they say. But the thing is that with you and with other members that Ive known for a long time, that image depends more on the content of what theyre saying, than on how they say it. The way people express themselves here is more of a first immpression thing. At least for me, anyway.
Now, about the immpression that others get from your language... That depends greatly from person to person. I would never consider someone who dosent swear to be more intelligent that someone who does, and Im sure that many people would agree with me on this one. Infact, for me people who wouldnt swear if their life depended on it are exactly the opposite of inteligent. IDK, maybe its just that I always had a bit of an alergy to people who are so sure that their shit doesnt stink, and who think that they are above such common things like swearing and dirty jokes. Not saying that I think youre one of them, of course. Its just that I think that much of this anti-swearing bullshit comes from exactly such people.
Oh, and to return the "little brother"... I imagine you as being one step away from those old guys that keep going on about how it was like "n their day".
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, November 28, 2008 8:23:12 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh strat! Will you and I ever find common ground? You are like a little brother that simply will NOT stop jabbing! HAHAHAHA!! (kidding, of course). I used the word "cheapen" more as an attempt to illustrate a point rather than actually define. Perhaps ours is simply a cultural difference, strat? I was raised to believe, and still do, that the language one uses and the vocabulary one employs tells others about them. It tells them how educated, dignified and intelligent you are and it allows another to more clearly understand your meaning. Certainly there are many on this Board that have a mental image of who I am based on what they read?
For me, language is far more than simply communicating. That does not mean it must be so for all. You and I have had differences on a variety of subjects and I always find that I come away from them with a bit more knowledge than that with which I came. I learn a bit more about you and, I hope, you do the same with regard to me. In all my 48 years of life, I have endeavored to learn. I hope that I never stop.
| | | stratlover wrote: | | Cheapening? Well, Im not such a great expert in English to judge that, but I will stay with my opinion - language for me is merely a mean for communication, nothing less, nothing more. And therefore, cheapening (or expesnifying, or whatever the fuck would the opposite of cheapening be) is imo completely irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is that the person youre talking to can understand you, and vice versa.
Oh, and you will have to remind me which outburst was that. Izs kinda hard for me to keep track of them all.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | You are in no "trouble", my dear. Neither was strat when he jabbed me with his "outburst". All in good fun, I assure you! I think an intellectual discussion every now and again is a good idea. I am pleased to see there is interest!
The thing is, profanity is a part of our language. For better or worse. I have always considered it a form of cheapening the language which we speak, however, I am one of the few. The majority of people seem to believe it is a perfectly acceptable form of communication. Certainly it is to be expected on a "rock band's website", no? I am not the least bit surprised that it is quite popular here among our group. Does not mean that we are any less human. Nor does it mean one is less important or whatever. Nonesense.
I have used foul language. I do so even to this very day. I do NOT use it in front of my mother, grandmother, granchildren or strangers! To me, this is just not done. I also eschew profanity in a public forum, but that is simply because you just never know who may be reading what you write and I would be rather ashamed for certain people to read something like that from me. That is just how I feel. This is a public forum. I do not walk downtown, swearing in front of strangers and I will not do it in a public place. When I am with intimate friends, I might let one or two foul words slip, but that is rare.
I am not attempting to define righteousness through speech. What is "acceptable" to some may not be so to others and so, while in a public forum, I choose to use language that I believe is acceptable to all at all times.
| | | WhiskeyWoman wrote: | | Hey there Strat... oh, he knows I'm a smart-ass!
Gosh, d'ya think I was hard on Freeze? No, no, no!
Well, shit. It certainly wasn't meant that way!
I really do wonder where swearing to loosen people up, falls into! I'm hoping Freeze understands it to be intellectual banter, is all...
Freeze... I have my pencil out, ready to take notes... eagerly waiting for our next class. Albeit with some trepidation now! Am I in trouble?
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Nope, that wouldnt do. You see, we were all molested at birth, as we crawled out of our mothers private parts.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, November 28, 2008 12:26:38 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | yup! next, breast feeding banned as millions of moms flash the infants. must wear panties to give birth???
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Idiotic parents. I have but two words for this; forced sterilization.
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| [_strat_] Friday, November 28, 2008 3:42:00 PM | |
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LOL!! Remember, little children, art is the first step to pornography addiction!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, November 28, 2008 11:55:37 AM) |
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Gosh, HB I'm only back a day and already I'm annoying ... 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, November 28, 2008 1:20:39 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | ignorance is realy anoying to the rest of the population
| | | Bev wrote: | | Perhaps a virtual visit would be a better idea (shrugs) http://www.getty.edu/education/
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| [Head banger] Friday, November 28, 2008 1:20:39 PM | |
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ignorance is realy anoying to the rest of the population
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Friday, November 28, 2008 12:49:42 PM)| | | Bev wrote: | | Perhaps a virtual visit would be a better idea (shrugs) http://www.getty.edu/education/
It's a shame any school district would let an ignorant vocal minority ruin it for the rest. |
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| [Bev] Friday, November 28, 2008 12:49:42 PM | |
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Perhaps a virtual visit would be a better idea (shrugs) http://www.getty.edu/education/
It's a shame any school district would let an ignorant vocal minority ruin it for the rest. |
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