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Nevermind the economy and budget slights of hand, now the powers that be are concerned about whether or not they should eliminate "handwriting" from core cirriculum, due to modern technology. Helpless should there ever be a mass power outage, or some other catastrophy. I s'pose we could always revert to stone & chissel.
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:10:42 PM | |
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silly me
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:53:33 AM)| |  | Bev wrote: | | (ryhming word) HB - LOL
| | | Head banger wrote: | | helps form mathmatical conections (dont ask me) as well as teaching creativity and dicipline.
I think its a great idea. I view lots of "art" as extras, but music is esential. wish I could play an instrument. perhaps then I could think.. BWAHAHAHA
we do some silly things here with "art" but need more music, IMO
| | | Bev wrote: | | Missed the no funding for comp remark first time. Band boosters, of which I am a member, handle fundraising events to pay for transportation to and from competitions, uniform maintenance, and additional support staff throughout the year, and have done facilities repairs (shh, don't tell the district, they'll get upset).
Some view music as a nice to have. There are articles to support how music is a direct corelate to success in academics. Might have to through those stats in the app too. |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 12:09:32 PM | |
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nope. in fact, when you get to the pro level, the same players play all 90 min. there are probably 10 guys on the bench, but only 2 will ever get in the game. at highschool, all would play, I think, but you wouldnt put more than 20 on the roster. in fact, I think thats probably more than your alowed.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:46:56 AM)| | | Bev wrote: | | That sounds like what a soccer game consists of here; although, I've driven past our practice field, there are cars parked all along the street. It looks as though there are at least 4 teams on the field. Does soccer/football have special teams like football/gridiron?
| | | Head banger wrote: | | here, tuba rentals include 2 instruments, with one mouth piece, so the student can bring one to school, and use one at home. if my kid did that perhaps she would not be unable to find the thing in her pigsty (room)
here, high school football is not the same as there, no one goes, and I dont think there is a band. some schools have cheerleaders, but the crowd consists of parents, teachers and the players girlfriends, if they are realy dedicated.
| | | Bev wrote: | | In middle schools here, students have to purchase. There are local music stores that work with directors. The high school programs are a little different, in that some instruments are provided ... most percussion, larger woodwind and brass. Smaller instruments are either rented or bought by students. Sousaphones are the large Tuba, yes.
Next to the drumline and trumpets, the sousaphone players are my favorite section to watch perform! Of course the kids only perform if their grades are maintained.
What a way to spend high school, huh? ... get an education, learn music theory ... ham it up during a football game (half-time performances are serious, of course), there is as much competition going on in the stands as there is on the field - lol I think a lot has changed in that regard too. When that drumline leads the band to the bleachers, everyone is on their feet!
Never imagined I'd see myself in the stands at a high school football game. What we do for our kids?!
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| [Bev] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:53:33 AM | |
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(ryhming word) HB - LOL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:51:55 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | helps form mathmatical conections (dont ask me) as well as teaching creativity and dicipline.
I think its a great idea. I view lots of "art" as extras, but music is esential. wish I could play an instrument. perhaps then I could think.. BWAHAHAHA
we do some silly things here with "art" but need more music, IMO
| | | Bev wrote: | | Missed the no funding for comp remark first time. Band boosters, of which I am a member, handle fundraising events to pay for transportation to and from competitions, uniform maintenance, and additional support staff throughout the year, and have done facilities repairs (shh, don't tell the district, they'll get upset).
Some view music as a nice to have. There are articles to support how music is a direct corelate to success in academics. Might have to through those stats in the app too. |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:51:55 AM | |
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helps form mathmatical conections (dont ask me) as well as teaching creativity and dicipline.
I think its a great idea. I view lots of "art" as extras, but music is esential. wish I could play an instrument. perhaps then I could think.. BWAHAHAHA
we do some silly things here with "art" but need more music, IMO
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:38:38 AM)| | | Bev wrote: | | Missed the no funding for comp remark first time. Band boosters, of which I am a member, handle fundraising events to pay for transportation to and from competitions, uniform maintenance, and additional support staff throughout the year, and have done facilities repairs (shh, don't tell the district, they'll get upset).
Some view music as a nice to have. There are articles to support how music is a direct corelate to success in academics. Might have to through those stats in the app too. |
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| [Bev] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:46:56 AM | |
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That sounds like what a soccer game consists of here; although, I've driven past our practice field, there are cars parked all along the street. It looks as though there are at least 4 teams on the field. Does soccer/football have special teams like football/gridiron?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:43:45 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | here, tuba rentals include 2 instruments, with one mouth piece, so the student can bring one to school, and use one at home. if my kid did that perhaps she would not be unable to find the thing in her pigsty (room)
here, high school football is not the same as there, no one goes, and I dont think there is a band. some schools have cheerleaders, but the crowd consists of parents, teachers and the players girlfriends, if they are realy dedicated.
| | | Bev wrote: | | In middle schools here, students have to purchase. There are local music stores that work with directors. The high school programs are a little different, in that some instruments are provided ... most percussion, larger woodwind and brass. Smaller instruments are either rented or bought by students. Sousaphones are the large Tuba, yes.
Next to the drumline and trumpets, the sousaphone players are my favorite section to watch perform! Of course the kids only perform if their grades are maintained.
What a way to spend high school, huh? ... get an education, learn music theory ... ham it up during a football game (half-time performances are serious, of course), there is as much competition going on in the stands as there is on the field - lol I think a lot has changed in that regard too. When that drumline leads the band to the bleachers, everyone is on their feet!
Never imagined I'd see myself in the stands at a high school football game. What we do for our kids?!
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:43:45 AM | |
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here, tuba rentals include 2 instruments, with one mouth piece, so the student can bring one to school, and use one at home. if my kid did that perhaps she would not be unable to find the thing in her pigsty (room)
here, high school football is not the same as there, no one goes, and I dont think there is a band. some schools have cheerleaders, but the crowd consists of parents, teachers and the players girlfriends, if they are realy dedicated.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:16:45 AM)| | | Bev wrote: | | In middle schools here, students have to purchase. There are local music stores that work with directors. The high school programs are a little different, in that some instruments are provided ... most percussion, larger woodwind and brass. Smaller instruments are either rented or bought by students. Sousaphones are the large Tuba, yes.
Next to the drumline and trumpets, the sousaphone players are my favorite section to watch perform! Of course the kids only perform if their grades are maintained.
What a way to spend high school, huh? ... get an education, learn music theory ... ham it up during a football game (half-time performances are serious, of course), there is as much competition going on in the stands as there is on the field - lol I think a lot has changed in that regard too. When that drumline leads the band to the bleachers, everyone is on their feet!
Never imagined I'd see myself in the stands at a high school football game. What we do for our kids?!
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| [Bev] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:38:38 AM | |
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Missed the no funding for comp remark first time. Band boosters, of which I am a member, handle fundraising events to pay for transportation to and from competitions, uniform maintenance, and additional support staff throughout the year, and have done facilities repairs (shh, don't tell the district, they'll get upset).
Some view music as a nice to have. There are articles to support how music is a direct corelate to success in academics. Might have to through those stats in the app too. |
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| [Bev] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:16:45 AM | |
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In middle schools here, students have to purchase. There are local music stores that work with directors. The high school programs are a little different, in that some instruments are provided ... most percussion, larger woodwind and brass. Smaller instruments are either rented or bought by students. Sousaphones are the large Tuba, yes.
Next to the drumline and trumpets, the sousaphone players are my favorite section to watch perform! Of course the kids only perform if their grades are maintained.
What a way to spend high school, huh? ... get an education, learn music theory ... ham it up during a football game (half-time performances are serious, of course), there is as much competition going on in the stands as there is on the field - lol I think a lot has changed in that regard too. When that drumline leads the band to the bleachers, everyone is on their feet!
Never imagined I'd see myself in the stands at a high school football game. What we do for our kids?!
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:04:45 AM | |
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good deal. god only knows what toxins are in there. here schools have no funding for band comp, and students must purchase or rent their own instruments, for band class. now this is an oversized tuba, right?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Bev from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:49:29 AM)| | | Bev wrote: | | Thanks, Freeze.
The district does not / cannot support this type of funding. A bond was recently approved to cover long overdue improvements to facilities, etc.
It's tough. San Antonio to our North and schools in the Rio Grande Valley have 5 times the staffing for the same size program and facilities support a practice band hall and performing band hall. I remember before one game pulling into the parking lot and the opposing school's band rig pulled up ... f*ckin' 18 wheeler. You'd have thought 'Priest was making a half-time appearance - lol
Anyway, thanks for your input.
HB, I think the maintenance issue is one of the points I will use when I apply for these grants. In their current condition, I'm surprised no one has contracted some fatal desease from the corrosive buildup inside the tubes ...  |
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| [Bev] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 10:49:29 AM | |
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Thanks, Freeze.
The district does not / cannot support this type of funding. A bond was recently approved to cover long overdue improvements to facilities, etc.
It's tough. San Antonio to our North and schools in the Rio Grande Valley have 5 times the staffing for the same size program and facilities support a practice band hall and performing band hall. I remember before one game pulling into the parking lot and the opposing school's band rig pulled up ... f*ckin' 18 wheeler. You'd have thought 'Priest was making a half-time appearance - lol
Anyway, thanks for your input.
HB, I think the maintenance issue is one of the points I will use when I apply for these grants. In their current condition, I'm surprised no one has contracted some fatal desease from the corrosive buildup inside the tubes ... |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 7:28:45 AM | |
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if you have to fix the instruments after every performance, would it not then become cost effective to replace? the time, effort, or money spent on repairs could more profitably go somewhere else, no?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:36:28 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Not sure I understand, HB.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | true, but, is the cost savings realized, if time and or money has to be spend to keep them running all the time?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Bev, it is actually a very common practice. However, there are significant factors to consider. Keep in mind that, the accomplishments of the school band are really not all that important, as far as the people that have the equipment are concerned. And with budget cuts these days, I am not surprised at the costs. In theory, they are offering "discounted" equipment, the age of which is also not important to them. It has "tangible value". The old 'supply and demand' gig.
Depending on the district, budget and influence of the local school board, you may be able to get a better deal but the practice you mentioned is really not uncommon. I recall, MANY years ago, when this practice was a more cost-effective means for schools to procure needed equipment at significant discount. Things have changed, my dear. You know that.
My suggestion, for what it is worth, is to seek out the assistance of a local music outlet. Perhaps send a fancy letter from the school district outlining the band's accomplishments and asking to "borrow" the instruments you need or even "rent" them at a far lower cost. Offer to publicize their involvement in some way. GREAT publicity. Just a thought. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:36:28 AM | |
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Not sure I understand, HB.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:25:57 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | true, but, is the cost savings realized, if time and or money has to be spend to keep them running all the time?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Bev, it is actually a very common practice. However, there are significant factors to consider. Keep in mind that, the accomplishments of the school band are really not all that important, as far as the people that have the equipment are concerned. And with budget cuts these days, I am not surprised at the costs. In theory, they are offering "discounted" equipment, the age of which is also not important to them. It has "tangible value". The old 'supply and demand' gig.
Depending on the district, budget and influence of the local school board, you may be able to get a better deal but the practice you mentioned is really not uncommon. I recall, MANY years ago, when this practice was a more cost-effective means for schools to procure needed equipment at significant discount. Things have changed, my dear. You know that.
My suggestion, for what it is worth, is to seek out the assistance of a local music outlet. Perhaps send a fancy letter from the school district outlining the band's accomplishments and asking to "borrow" the instruments you need or even "rent" them at a far lower cost. Offer to publicize their involvement in some way. GREAT publicity. Just a thought. |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:25:57 AM | |
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true, but, is the cost savings realized, if time and or money has to be spend to keep them running all the time?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:11:57 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Bev, it is actually a very common practice. However, there are significant factors to consider. Keep in mind that, the accomplishments of the school band are really not all that important, as far as the people that have the equipment are concerned. And with budget cuts these days, I am not surprised at the costs. In theory, they are offering "discounted" equipment, the age of which is also not important to them. It has "tangible value". The old 'supply and demand' gig.
Depending on the district, budget and influence of the local school board, you may be able to get a better deal but the practice you mentioned is really not uncommon. I recall, MANY years ago, when this practice was a more cost-effective means for schools to procure needed equipment at significant discount. Things have changed, my dear. You know that.
My suggestion, for what it is worth, is to seek out the assistance of a local music outlet. Perhaps send a fancy letter from the school district outlining the band's accomplishments and asking to "borrow" the instruments you need or even "rent" them at a far lower cost. Offer to publicize their involvement in some way. GREAT publicity. Just a thought. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 5:11:57 AM | |
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Bev, it is actually a very common practice. However, there are significant factors to consider. Keep in mind that, the accomplishments of the school band are really not all that important, as far as the people that have the equipment are concerned. And with budget cuts these days, I am not surprised at the costs. In theory, they are offering "discounted" equipment, the age of which is also not important to them. It has "tangible value". The old 'supply and demand' gig.
Depending on the district, budget and influence of the local school board, you may be able to get a better deal but the practice you mentioned is really not uncommon. I recall, MANY years ago, when this practice was a more cost-effective means for schools to procure needed equipment at significant discount. Things have changed, my dear. You know that.
My suggestion, for what it is worth, is to seek out the assistance of a local music outlet. Perhaps send a fancy letter from the school district outlining the band's accomplishments and asking to "borrow" the instruments you need or even "rent" them at a far lower cost. Offer to publicize their involvement in some way. GREAT publicity. Just a thought. |
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| [Bev] Wednesday, February 25, 2009 3:41:32 AM | |
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K, Here's the education quandary for the day:
It's my final semester in school, which includes one final practicum. I have taken on the task of writing a grant to acquire new sousaphones for the band program at the high school my son attends. I have my work cut out for me as they need 6 new horns, each costing $5,400.
The current equipment (sousaphones) was manufactured in the 1930(s), kept in a warehouse somewhere until they were purchased by the district and issued to the school when it opened in the '50(s). Though they are close to 60 years old, they've only been used 40 years. These horns are used heavily during marching season and the district has not issued practice skins to protect them from normal wear & tear. The equipment now looks like plumbing that has been exposed to the elements, and the horns are in the shop for repairs after each event. I believe the cost of repairs for 6 each time is $800. The band is 150+ members, bringing home 109 first place awards in their most recent event. Earlier in the season they played at an Area competition at the Alamodome - the talent is there. My questions is: Is it common for schools to use equipment this old? I know as individuals it is possible. But in a program like this? Would enjoy reading any input.
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| [_strat_] Monday, January 26, 2009 4:56:24 PM | |
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Gotta go to bed myself. Good night!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:53:39 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *yikes* MAN!! You saviors are a rough lot! HAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Well, I'm off for a bit! Strat bless you! HAHAHAAAAA!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ok. But you know, ill come back in three days to bust the seven deadly plagues on yo ass.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Now where is the drama in that????!?! No, no..we must use nails for proper effect. Sorry..aint martyrdom a bitch? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Look, in this day and age we can dispense with bloodshed. We are above it. We have the technology to avoid such things.
You can glue me to a piece of wood.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him ), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values
Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, January 26, 2009 4:53:39 PM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *yikes* MAN!! You saviors are a rough lot! HAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Well, I'm off for a bit! Strat bless you! HAHAHAAAAA!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:40:59 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, ok. But you know, ill come back in three days to bust the seven deadly plagues on yo ass.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Now where is the drama in that????!?! No, no..we must use nails for proper effect. Sorry..aint martyrdom a bitch? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Look, in this day and age we can dispense with bloodshed. We are above it. We have the technology to avoid such things.
You can glue me to a piece of wood.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values
Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it. |
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| [_strat_] Monday, January 26, 2009 4:40:59 PM | |
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Well, ok. But you know, ill come back in three days to bust the seven deadly plagues on yo ass.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:37:39 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Now where is the drama in that????!?! No, no..we must use nails for proper effect. Sorry..aint martyrdom a bitch? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Look, in this day and age we can dispense with bloodshed. We are above it. We have the technology to avoid such things.
You can glue me to a piece of wood.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values
Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, January 26, 2009 4:37:39 PM | |
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Now where is the drama in that????!?! No, no..we must use nails for proper effect. Sorry..aint martyrdom a bitch? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:24:07 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Look, in this day and age we can dispense with bloodshed. We are above it. We have the technology to avoid such things.
You can glue me to a piece of wood.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values
Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it. |
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| [_strat_] Monday, January 26, 2009 4:24:07 PM | |
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Look, in this day and age we can dispense with bloodshed. We are above it. We have the technology to avoid such things.
You can glue me to a piece of wood.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:20:52 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values
Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Monday, January 26, 2009 4:20:52 PM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:09:20 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values
Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it. |
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| [_strat_] Monday, January 26, 2009 4:09:20 PM | |
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Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values
Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it. |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:19:57 PM | |
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DC is right you now... What if he doesnt give a shit? And in any case, even if he was willing to learn, shouldnt we start with something less demanding... Like walking upright?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:30:38 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK, before this GREAT Thread is dissolved, I thought I would ask for a tremendous service from all of the regular members.
It seems there is a need among us. Our friend Glenn (dreamer/whatever) is in desperate need of education. I am sure you have all seen his posts. Never has there been a more urgent need for books, teachers and a solid plan. I ask that each of you look deeply into your hearts and give. Give to the newly formed:
"EDUCATE THE IDIOTS" fund. ANY amount will be appreciated. With your help, we can wipe out illiteracy once and for all. We can help a man find the words to tell his wife he is unfaithful...and she will actually be able to understand him. We will help a man handle confrontation with the ability to use intelligence rather than comments on the size of his genitalia. We can help a man actually makes sense when he comes to a website and is required to use words and be coherent. Please...call now.
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| [devils_child] Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:59:16 AM | |
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Now now Freeze, it is only possible to teach those who want to learn..... sure you aren't biting off more than you can chew?? 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:30:38 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK, before this GREAT Thread is dissolved, I thought I would ask for a tremendous service from all of the regular members.
It seems there is a need among us. Our friend Glenn (dreamer/whatever) is in desperate need of education. I am sure you have all seen his posts. Never has there been a more urgent need for books, teachers and a solid plan. I ask that each of you look deeply into your hearts and give. Give to the newly formed:
"EDUCATE THE IDIOTS" fund. ANY amount will be appreciated. With your help, we can wipe out illiteracy once and for all. We can help a man find the words to tell his wife he is unfaithful...and she will actually be able to understand him. We will help a man handle confrontation with the ability to use intelligence rather than comments on the size of his genitalia. We can help a man actually makes sense when he comes to a website and is required to use words and be coherent. Please...call now.
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:30:38 AM | |
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OK, before this GREAT Thread is dissolved, I thought I would ask for a tremendous service from all of the regular members.
It seems there is a need among us. Our friend Glenn (dreamer/whatever) is in desperate need of education. I am sure you have all seen his posts. Never has there been a more urgent need for books, teachers and a solid plan. I ask that each of you look deeply into your hearts and give. Give to the newly formed:
"EDUCATE THE IDIOTS" fund. ANY amount will be appreciated. With your help, we can wipe out illiteracy once and for all. We can help a man find the words to tell his wife he is unfaithful...and she will actually be able to understand him. We will help a man handle confrontation with the ability to use intelligence rather than comments on the size of his genitalia. We can help a man actually makes sense when he comes to a website and is required to use words and be coherent. Please...call now.
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| [_strat_] Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:07:01 PM | |
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Ok, easy now, you know how it goes. F, u, c, k. Come on, lets get to the second letter today! Say it!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:42:03 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! You....you.....BASTARD!!!!!!!!!! There, you see? Look what you have gone and made me say!!! I am completely unrecognizeable!!!! AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Excuse me while I go wash out my mouth...... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Were I in close proximity to you, I'd advocate for taking up a collection in order to give you a free gift for having taken the time to share your wise wisdom.
The enormity of that free gift would be enormous.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printed words. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later. |
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| [guidogodoy] Sunday, December 14, 2008 1:07:47 PM | |
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It would probably be more appropriate that you wash your hands. That is, unless you actually speak what you type. 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:42:03 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! You....you.....BASTARD!!!!!!!!!! There, you see? Look what you have gone and made me say!!! I am completely unrecognizeable!!!! AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Excuse me while I go wash out my mouth...... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Were I in close proximity to you, I'd advocate for taking up a collection in order to give you a free gift for having taken the time to share your wise wisdom.
The enormity of that free gift would be enormous.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printed words. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:42:03 PM | |
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BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! You....you.....BASTARD!!!!!!!!!! There, you see? Look what you have gone and made me say!!! I am completely unrecognizeable!!!! AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Excuse me while I go wash out my mouth...... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:50:19 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Were I in close proximity to you, I'd advocate for taking up a collection in order to give you a free gift for having taken the time to share your wise wisdom.
The enormity of that free gift would be enormous.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printed words. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later. |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:29:58 AM | |
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LOL≈
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:22:53 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | BWAHAHAHAHA
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Were I in close proximity to you, I'd advocate for taking up a collection in order to give you a free gift for having taken the time to share your wise wisdom.
The enormity of that free gift would be enormous.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printed words. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later. |
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| [Head banger] Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:26:32 AM | |
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the birth of trust???
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:20:13 AM)| | | MG_Metalgoddess wrote: | | LOL @ HB... more for me.... so much for the humanity part... LMAO you crack me up
| | | Head banger wrote: | | trust can be born from an extension of cooperation, no? we could cooperate to take down a deer to get food, knowing that if we realy tried, one of us could toss the other off the cliff to die, becoming food also.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK then my friends, let us undertake a discussion of trust!
We first look at the definition of the word trust, which is reliance on strength, ability or truth of someone or something. Trust would seem to be more of a social construct in that involves two or more people. A hermit living in a cave has no need for trusting another. Still, he may need the same skills for developing a sense of trust, such as trusting in nature and whatnot, but this trust is basically one sided and does not offer reciprocity.
In modern culture, it is often said that trust, like respect, is earned. Trust and cooperation seem to go hand in hand. Afterall, what reason is there for trust without cooperation? Again, a familiar social construct. In this context, trust may be considered a "faith" in the consistency of another. Most often, this is coupled with what one expects as a benefit from this faith. (What is in it for me) The capacity to trust is, therefore, socialized behavior below that of direct thought since we tend to be very selfish creatures by nature. Only when trust is betrayed does the cognitive brain begin to identify the conflict and seeks to re-evaluate the situation. Once identified, the "victim" can choose to "turn the other cheek", as it were, or discontinue the cooperative behavior. The response can also be punitive; that is to say that there is a sense of need for retribution. Quite often this leads to a cycle of response and counter-response. Betrayal breaks the patterns of recognized cooperation in which trust is vested. We often see the "victim" choose a course of "heightened awareness" or being "on guard"
The ability to trust comes from the desire to build relationships with others. By seeking out friendships and cooperative social condition, people learn what to expect from others and thusly, learn who can be "trusted" and who cannot. The ability to forgive will often play a large part in how a person responds to betrayal and the defense mechanism he or she possesses. Trust, like respect,is clearly earned and in some cases it is lost and re-gained through effort and contrition. |
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| [Head banger] Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:22:53 AM | |
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BWAHAHAHAHA
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:50:19 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Were I in close proximity to you, I'd advocate for taking up a collection in order to give you a free gift for having taken the time to share your wise wisdom.
The enormity of that free gift would be enormous.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printed words. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later. |
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| [~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:20:13 AM | |
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LOL @ HB... more for me.... so much for the humanity part... LMAO you crack me up
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:17:43 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | trust can be born from an extension of cooperation, no? we could cooperate to take down a deer to get food, knowing that if we realy tried, one of us could toss the other off the cliff to die, becoming food also.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK then my friends, let us undertake a discussion of trust!
We first look at the definition of the word trust, which is reliance on strength, ability or truth of someone or something. Trust would seem to be more of a social construct in that involves two or more people. A hermit living in a cave has no need for trusting another. Still, he may need the same skills for developing a sense of trust, such as trusting in nature and whatnot, but this trust is basically one sided and does not offer reciprocity.
In modern culture, it is often said that trust, like respect, is earned. Trust and cooperation seem to go hand in hand. Afterall, what reason is there for trust without cooperation? Again, a familiar social construct. In this context, trust may be considered a "faith" in the consistency of another. Most often, this is coupled with what one expects as a benefit from this faith. (What is in it for me) The capacity to trust is, therefore, socialized behavior below that of direct thought since we tend to be very selfish creatures by nature. Only when trust is betrayed does the cognitive brain begin to identify the conflict and seeks to re-evaluate the situation. Once identified, the "victim" can choose to "turn the other cheek", as it were, or discontinue the cooperative behavior. The response can also be punitive; that is to say that there is a sense of need for retribution. Quite often this leads to a cycle of response and counter-response. Betrayal breaks the patterns of recognized cooperation in which trust is vested. We often see the "victim" choose a course of "heightened awareness" or being "on guard"
The ability to trust comes from the desire to build relationships with others. By seeking out friendships and cooperative social condition, people learn what to expect from others and thusly, learn who can be "trusted" and who cannot. The ability to forgive will often play a large part in how a person responds to betrayal and the defense mechanism he or she possesses. Trust, like respect,is clearly earned and in some cases it is lost and re-gained through effort and contrition. |
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| [Head banger] Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:19:30 AM | |
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I do think that the faceless internet society lends itself well to the use of over the top words, phrases, or ideas.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:53:05 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printed words. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later. |
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| [Head banger] Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:17:43 AM | |
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trust can be born from an extension of cooperation, no? we could cooperate to take down a deer to get food, knowing that if we realy tried, one of us could toss the other off the cliff to die, becoming food also.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:23:09 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK then my friends, let us undertake a discussion of trust!
We first look at the definition of the word trust, which is reliance on strength, ability or truth of someone or something. Trust would seem to be more of a social construct in that involves two or more people. A hermit living in a cave has no need for trusting another. Still, he may need the same skills for developing a sense of trust, such as trusting in nature and whatnot, but this trust is basically one sided and does not offer reciprocity.
In modern culture, it is often said that trust, like respect, is earned. Trust and cooperation seem to go hand in hand. Afterall, what reason is there for trust without cooperation? Again, a familiar social construct. In this context, trust may be considered a "faith" in the consistency of another. Most often, this is coupled with what one expects as a benefit from this faith. (What is in it for me) The capacity to trust is, therefore, socialized behavior below that of direct thought since we tend to be very selfish creatures by nature. Only when trust is betrayed does the cognitive brain begin to identify the conflict and seeks to re-evaluate the situation. Once identified, the "victim" can choose to "turn the other cheek", as it were, or discontinue the cooperative behavior. The response can also be punitive; that is to say that there is a sense of need for retribution. Quite often this leads to a cycle of response and counter-response. Betrayal breaks the patterns of recognized cooperation in which trust is vested. We often see the "victim" choose a course of "heightened awareness" or being "on guard"
The ability to trust comes from the desire to build relationships with others. By seeking out friendships and cooperative social condition, people learn what to expect from others and thusly, learn who can be "trusted" and who cannot. The ability to forgive will often play a large part in how a person responds to betrayal and the defense mechanism he or she possesses. Trust, like respect,is clearly earned and in some cases it is lost and re-gained through effort and contrition. |
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| [Head banger] Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:59:59 AM | |
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Respect can be broken, but depending on the solidity of the respect, one infraction will not break it. I supose it dependeds on the level of respect. Say an unkind word about your spouse of 20 years once, it can be forgiven and moved on from. Break the trust of that spouse, you may never recover.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:15:59 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Wow DF, did Princess get rid of the encyclopedia's when she married you (LOL)? I am impressed with the lesson on RESPECT, you managed to hit on pretty much everything one should know about it. It is very true that parents are indeed the first educators of respect. Do you think you can have a 5 min. conversation with a person and get an idea of what kind of parents (guardians) that person had?
I would also suggest that once a person has earned respect, it is vital to maintain that respect. Gaining respect and keeping it can be two different animals. A person can spend their entire life with all the respect in the world, only to make/do one 'thing' to bring it all crashing down. Respect is fragile and it doesn't take a lot to break it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [guidogodoy] Sunday, December 14, 2008 10:50:19 AM | |
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Were I in close proximity to you, I'd advocate for taking up a collection in order to give you a free gift for having taken the time to share your wise wisdom.
The enormity of that free gift would be enormous.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:53:05 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printed words. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:00:13 AM | |
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You too, my friend. Good Day.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:59:09 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | | Well DF, I really enjoyed chatting with you this morning. I must take leave now as I have things to do before football comes on. I will be sure to re-visit this later. Until then, stay warm and enjoy the games!! |
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| [ron h] Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:59:09 AM | |
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| Well DF, I really enjoyed chatting with you this morning. I must take leave now as I have things to do before football comes on. I will be sure to re-visit this later. Until then, stay warm and enjoy the games!! |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:52:13 AM | |
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Quite so. I suppose there are levels of trust just as respect. We trust our banks with our money. We trust our cars with our mechanics. Of course, it is a different level of trust.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:48:19 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Very well put. I would also like to suggest that TRUST is one of the more intimate feelings that we have. I believe that trust is resrved for those closest to us, in most cases for those that you know have your best interests at heart at all times. Unlike respect, which you either do or don't have in a particular case, trust is something that we humans sometimes even wish or hope for in another. I would say that some of us even put a higher value in trust than in love.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK then my friends, let us undertake a discussion of trust!
We first look at the definition of the word trust, which is reliance on strength, ability or truth of someone or something. Trust would seem to be more of a social construct in that involves two or more people. A hermit living in a cave has no need for trusting another. Still, he may need the same skills for developing a sense of trust, such as trusting in nature and whatnot, but this trust is basically one sided and does not offer reciprocity.
In modern culture, it is often said that trust, like respect, is earned. Trust and cooperation seem to go hand in hand. Afterall, what reason is there for trust without cooperation? Again, a familiar social construct. In this context, trust may be considered a "faith" in the consistency of another. Most often, this is coupled with what one expects as a benefit from this faith. (What is in it for me) The capacity to trust is, therefore, socialized behavior below that of direct thought since we tend to be very selfish creatures by nature. Only when trust is betrayed does the cognitive brain begin to identify the conflict and seeks to re-evaluate the situation. Once identified, the "victim" can choose to "turn the other cheek", as it were, or discontinue the cooperative behavior. The response can also be punitive; that is to say that there is a sense of need for retribution. Quite often this leads to a cycle of response and counter-response. Betrayal breaks the patterns of recognized cooperation in which trust is vested. We often see the "victim" choose a course of "heightened awareness" or being "on guard"
The ability to trust comes from the desire to build relationships with others. By seeking out friendships and cooperative social condition, people learn what to expect from others and thusly, learn who can be "trusted" and who cannot. The ability to forgive will often play a large part in how a person responds to betrayal and the defense mechanism he or she possesses. Trust, like respect,is clearly earned and in some cases it is lost and re-gained through effort and contrition. |
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| [ron h] Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:48:19 AM | |
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Very well put. I would also like to suggest that TRUST is one of the more intimate feelings that we have. I believe that trust is resrved for those closest to us, in most cases for those that you know have your best interests at heart at all times. Unlike respect, which you either do or don't have in a particular case, trust is something that we humans sometimes even wish or hope for in another. I would say that some of us even put a higher value in trust than in love.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:23:09 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK then my friends, let us undertake a discussion of trust!
We first look at the definition of the word trust, which is reliance on strength, ability or truth of someone or something. Trust would seem to be more of a social construct in that involves two or more people. A hermit living in a cave has no need for trusting another. Still, he may need the same skills for developing a sense of trust, such as trusting in nature and whatnot, but this trust is basically one sided and does not offer reciprocity.
In modern culture, it is often said that trust, like respect, is earned. Trust and cooperation seem to go hand in hand. Afterall, what reason is there for trust without cooperation? Again, a familiar social construct. In this context, trust may be considered a "faith" in the consistency of another. Most often, this is coupled with what one expects as a benefit from this faith. (What is in it for me) The capacity to trust is, therefore, socialized behavior below that of direct thought since we tend to be very selfish creatures by nature. Only when trust is betrayed does the cognitive brain begin to identify the conflict and seeks to re-evaluate the situation. Once identified, the "victim" can choose to "turn the other cheek", as it were, or discontinue the cooperative behavior. The response can also be punitive; that is to say that there is a sense of need for retribution. Quite often this leads to a cycle of response and counter-response. Betrayal breaks the patterns of recognized cooperation in which trust is vested. We often see the "victim" choose a course of "heightened awareness" or being "on guard"
The ability to trust comes from the desire to build relationships with others. By seeking out friendships and cooperative social condition, people learn what to expect from others and thusly, learn who can be "trusted" and who cannot. The ability to forgive will often play a large part in how a person responds to betrayal and the defense mechanism he or she possesses. Trust, like respect,is clearly earned and in some cases it is lost and re-gained through effort and contrition. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:23:09 AM | |
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OK then my friends, let us undertake a discussion of trust!
We first look at the definition of the word trust, which is reliance on strength, ability or truth of someone or something. Trust would seem to be more of a social construct in that involves two or more people. A hermit living in a cave has no need for trusting another. Still, he may need the same skills for developing a sense of trust, such as trusting in nature and whatnot, but this trust is basically one sided and does not offer reciprocity.
In modern culture, it is often said that trust, like respect, is earned. Trust and cooperation seem to go hand in hand. Afterall, what reason is there for trust without cooperation? Again, a familiar social construct. In this context, trust may be considered a "faith" in the consistency of another. Most often, this is coupled with what one expects as a benefit from this faith. (What is in it for me) The capacity to trust is, therefore, socialized behavior below that of direct thought since we tend to be very selfish creatures by nature. Only when trust is betrayed does the cognitive brain begin to identify the conflict and seeks to re-evaluate the situation. Once identified, the "victim" can choose to "turn the other cheek", as it were, or discontinue the cooperative behavior. The response can also be punitive; that is to say that there is a sense of need for retribution. Quite often this leads to a cycle of response and counter-response. Betrayal breaks the patterns of recognized cooperation in which trust is vested. We often see the "victim" choose a course of "heightened awareness" or being "on guard"
The ability to trust comes from the desire to build relationships with others. By seeking out friendships and cooperative social condition, people learn what to expect from others and thusly, learn who can be "trusted" and who cannot. The ability to forgive will often play a large part in how a person responds to betrayal and the defense mechanism he or she possesses. Trust, like respect,is clearly earned and in some cases it is lost and re-gained through effort and contrition. |
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| [ron h] Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:03:08 AM | |
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One of the reasons I ask is that the way a person feels after they have given respect and/or have put trust in someone and said respect/trust has been violated, the feelings are the same either way. Both are disheartening in the end, and in some instances life altering.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:53:43 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA! I agree!! I am certainly impressed with your thirst for knowledge, my friend!! STRAT!! You see this?? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!!!!
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | How about TRUST? I think that would be an interesting lesson. I would like to consider your take on the subject. Is a person who earns respect automatically TRUSTWORTHY? In reality I believe that those are two very different and exclusive groups. In a lot of ways they are alike, yet they are so very different.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I would certainly agree that there are different types or levels of respect.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Would you agree that there are different 'types' of respect? I may respect ones' ability to gain wealth, but I may not respect the way one goes about obtaing said wealth. Or do you think that to respect a person means to respect 'all' that the person represents?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm..I have never really considered it that way Ron. I suppose it could be considered fragile but I would think that a person who has earned respect did so in such a way as to build a foundation that is solid. What I mean is, one slip-up here or there should not affect that person's standing with those that actually do respect him. Perhaps it is self-perception that is at stake? Not that one cannot lose repsect, because that can happen, but I think if one is truly a dignified and respectable person, he would be allowed the occasional mistake.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Wow DF, did Princess get rid of the encyclopedia's when she married you (LOL)? I am impressed with the lesson on RESPECT, you managed to hit on pretty much everything one should know about it. It is very true that parents are indeed the first educators of respect. Do you think you can have a 5 min. conversation with a person and get an idea of what kind of parents (guardians) that person had?
I would also suggest that once a person has earned respect, it is vital to maintain that respect. Gaining respect and keeping it can be two different animals. A person can spend their entire life with all the respect in the world, only to make/do one 'thing' to bring it all crashing down. Respect is fragile and it doesn't take a lot to break it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:53:43 AM | |
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HA! I agree!! I am certainly impressed with your thirst for knowledge, my friend!! STRAT!! You see this?? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:51:36 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | How about TRUST? I think that would be an interesting lesson. I would like to consider your take on the subject. Is a person who earns respect automatically TRUSTWORTHY? In reality I believe that those are two very different and exclusive groups. In a lot of ways they are alike, yet they are so very different.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I would certainly agree that there are different types or levels of respect.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Would you agree that there are different 'types' of respect? I may respect ones' ability to gain wealth, but I may not respect the way one goes about obtaing said wealth. Or do you think that to respect a person means to respect 'all' that the person represents?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm..I have never really considered it that way Ron. I suppose it could be considered fragile but I would think that a person who has earned respect did so in such a way as to build a foundation that is solid. What I mean is, one slip-up here or there should not affect that person's standing with those that actually do respect him. Perhaps it is self-perception that is at stake? Not that one cannot lose repsect, because that can happen, but I think if one is truly a dignified and respectable person, he would be allowed the occasional mistake.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Wow DF, did Princess get rid of the encyclopedia's when she married you (LOL)? I am impressed with the lesson on RESPECT, you managed to hit on pretty much everything one should know about it. It is very true that parents are indeed the first educators of respect. Do you think you can have a 5 min. conversation with a person and get an idea of what kind of parents (guardians) that person had?
I would also suggest that once a person has earned respect, it is vital to maintain that respect. Gaining respect and keeping it can be two different animals. A person can spend their entire life with all the respect in the world, only to make/do one 'thing' to bring it all crashing down. Respect is fragile and it doesn't take a lot to break it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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How about TRUST? I think that would be an interesting lesson. I would like to consider your take on the subject. Is a person who earns respect automatically TRUSTWORTHY? In reality I believe that those are two very different and exclusive groups. In a lot of ways they are alike, yet they are so very different.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:42:19 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | I would certainly agree that there are different types or levels of respect.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Would you agree that there are different 'types' of respect? I may respect ones' ability to gain wealth, but I may not respect the way one goes about obtaing said wealth. Or do you think that to respect a person means to respect 'all' that the person represents?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm..I have never really considered it that way Ron. I suppose it could be considered fragile but I would think that a person who has earned respect did so in such a way as to build a foundation that is solid. What I mean is, one slip-up here or there should not affect that person's standing with those that actually do respect him. Perhaps it is self-perception that is at stake? Not that one cannot lose repsect, because that can happen, but I think if one is truly a dignified and respectable person, he would be allowed the occasional mistake.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Wow DF, did Princess get rid of the encyclopedia's when she married you (LOL)? I am impressed with the lesson on RESPECT, you managed to hit on pretty much everything one should know about it. It is very true that parents are indeed the first educators of respect. Do you think you can have a 5 min. conversation with a person and get an idea of what kind of parents (guardians) that person had?
I would also suggest that once a person has earned respect, it is vital to maintain that respect. Gaining respect and keeping it can be two different animals. A person can spend their entire life with all the respect in the world, only to make/do one 'thing' to bring it all crashing down. Respect is fragile and it doesn't take a lot to break it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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I would certainly agree that there are different types or levels of respect.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:38:34 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Would you agree that there are different 'types' of respect? I may respect ones' ability to gain wealth, but I may not respect the way one goes about obtaing said wealth. Or do you think that to respect a person means to respect 'all' that the person represents?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm..I have never really considered it that way Ron. I suppose it could be considered fragile but I would think that a person who has earned respect did so in such a way as to build a foundation that is solid. What I mean is, one slip-up here or there should not affect that person's standing with those that actually do respect him. Perhaps it is self-perception that is at stake? Not that one cannot lose repsect, because that can happen, but I think if one is truly a dignified and respectable person, he would be allowed the occasional mistake.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Wow DF, did Princess get rid of the encyclopedia's when she married you (LOL)? I am impressed with the lesson on RESPECT, you managed to hit on pretty much everything one should know about it. It is very true that parents are indeed the first educators of respect. Do you think you can have a 5 min. conversation with a person and get an idea of what kind of parents (guardians) that person had?
I would also suggest that once a person has earned respect, it is vital to maintain that respect. Gaining respect and keeping it can be two different animals. A person can spend their entire life with all the respect in the world, only to make/do one 'thing' to bring it all crashing down. Respect is fragile and it doesn't take a lot to break it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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Would you agree that there are different 'types' of respect? I may respect ones' ability to gain wealth, but I may not respect the way one goes about obtaing said wealth. Or do you think that to respect a person means to respect 'all' that the person represents?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:25:32 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Hmm..I have never really considered it that way Ron. I suppose it could be considered fragile but I would think that a person who has earned respect did so in such a way as to build a foundation that is solid. What I mean is, one slip-up here or there should not affect that person's standing with those that actually do respect him. Perhaps it is self-perception that is at stake? Not that one cannot lose repsect, because that can happen, but I think if one is truly a dignified and respectable person, he would be allowed the occasional mistake.
| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Wow DF, did Princess get rid of the encyclopedia's when she married you (LOL)? I am impressed with the lesson on RESPECT, you managed to hit on pretty much everything one should know about it. It is very true that parents are indeed the first educators of respect. Do you think you can have a 5 min. conversation with a person and get an idea of what kind of parents (guardians) that person had?
I would also suggest that once a person has earned respect, it is vital to maintain that respect. Gaining respect and keeping it can be two different animals. A person can spend their entire life with all the respect in the world, only to make/do one 'thing' to bring it all crashing down. Respect is fragile and it doesn't take a lot to break it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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Hmm..I have never really considered it that way Ron. I suppose it could be considered fragile but I would think that a person who has earned respect did so in such a way as to build a foundation that is solid. What I mean is, one slip-up here or there should not affect that person's standing with those that actually do respect him. Perhaps it is self-perception that is at stake? Not that one cannot lose repsect, because that can happen, but I think if one is truly a dignified and respectable person, he would be allowed the occasional mistake.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:15:59 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Wow DF, did Princess get rid of the encyclopedia's when she married you (LOL)? I am impressed with the lesson on RESPECT, you managed to hit on pretty much everything one should know about it. It is very true that parents are indeed the first educators of respect. Do you think you can have a 5 min. conversation with a person and get an idea of what kind of parents (guardians) that person had?
I would also suggest that once a person has earned respect, it is vital to maintain that respect. Gaining respect and keeping it can be two different animals. A person can spend their entire life with all the respect in the world, only to make/do one 'thing' to bring it all crashing down. Respect is fragile and it doesn't take a lot to break it.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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Wow DF, did Princess get rid of the encyclopedia's when she married you (LOL)? I am impressed with the lesson on RESPECT, you managed to hit on pretty much everything one should know about it. It is very true that parents are indeed the first educators of respect. Do you think you can have a 5 min. conversation with a person and get an idea of what kind of parents (guardians) that person had?
I would also suggest that once a person has earned respect, it is vital to maintain that respect. Gaining respect and keeping it can be two different animals. A person can spend their entire life with all the respect in the world, only to make/do one 'thing' to bring it all crashing down. Respect is fragile and it doesn't take a lot to break it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:59:38 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
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Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printed words. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later. |
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