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Metallica- Sell Outs or Great Metal Band?
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Do you believe Metallica is a sell out band, or a great heavy metal band? Debate here.


[metalfan2410] Sunday, August 19, 2012 11:34:24 PM 
 Metallica is  a great metal band.
Just saw the live in mexico city and it was one of the best shows i´ve seen.
[Budred] Friday, June 01, 2012 4:11:24 PM 
Five Finger Death Punch. 
 Sellouts? Really?
They may have polished up a little but I think they improve everytime out.
Oh well,
your opinion matters to you,
my opinion matters to me,
and that's all that matters. (LOL)
I can't wait to see them this summer.
Take care man, peace.

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[CoyoteBongwaterReturns] Thursday, May 31, 2012 8:55:03 PM 
wether they are , or not, theyre no match for five finger death punch in the department of selling out
[electriceyespies] Tuesday, May 29, 2012 6:12:29 PM 
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:53:42 AM 
Onslaught - Lord Of Evil - 1985 Early primative Death Metal.  This album does have some early "thrash" too,but mostly primative death metal like this:

One thousand years a captor banished to the pit
Satan calls his armies to rise up from the crypts
They're rising from Tartarus vengeance in their eyes
Power from below the earth from where all evils lie

Satan captor in his realm bound for 1,000 years
Evil, hatred burns inside vengeance fire from the skies


The lord of evil he rides again
The lord of evil 1,000 years he was held a slave

Deep inside the depths of hell along the river Styx
Charon rows his boat of death around the burning pits
The advocate for Satan a worldwide death crusade
Cruel death fighting demons will rule the earth his way


Edited at: Thursday, March 15, 2012 6:58:45 AM
[guidogodoy] Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:57:28 PM 
Oooooooooh! Bitchslap! LOL!!

I've got you by a couple of years, JD, and I think that anyone who is roughly our age can define "glam metal" with just a few examples: Faster Pussycat! Poison! Bleah!! Who the hell needs Wiki to tell you that assclowns with walls of hair, lipstick and little to no musical talent whatsoever is "glam metal?" (LOL!! I just described my own picture in my profile save for the fact that I don't CLAIM to know how to play music and don't have any bad music videos! HAAAAAA!!!!)

As for your point about not being a true Priest fan if you don't like every song, Right on. What type of screwed-up thinking would lead to a conclusion like that one? Hell, you know I like more Priest than you (or even most) but EVERY song?! Who the hell would we be? Bwian?! I'll even go so far as saying that I absolutely HATE some songs ... and you even named some of them!

You are also right in that not knowing about a genre of music is completely different from not liking them. I hear an awful lot of country music here. I know it well. Can't say that I like have much of a hankerin' fer it!

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[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, March 14, 2012 5:05:16 PM 
Ram It Down may be considered speed metal,but Hard As Iron is absolutely not.  Its not even that fast? Are you kidding me?  And the Onslaught debut LP 'Power From Hell" has nothing to do with "death metal"?  How old are you Hell Bent?

I was 15 years old in 1985 when I bought Power From Hell,sure we knew back then it sounded "thrash" but it was pure early primative "death metal" as said so by the band,and you can hear traces of death metal in the LP,and on the back cover it says Death Metal,inner sleave says death metal at it's heavist 1985,which for back then it really was death metal.

Now that the 90's have come and gone we now know death metal to have it's sound like the deeper growled vocals ect.... back then Possessed was considered death metal and also black metal too,Sepultura's Bestial Devistation 1985 was as well,1983 Hellhammer was death metal back then too.

Onslaught Power From Hell is a Death Metal album in 1985.  Those who disagree is like saying Venom's Black Metal album 1982 isn't really "black metal".  Or saying Judas Priest's British Steel isn't really "heavy metal" but rock? Same thing. Power From Hell has everything to do with the primative blue prints of death metal,fact.

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[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:23:32 PM 
Sorry Hell Bent,but I know more about metal music than most people on this forum. I've been HEAVILY into metal music since 1981. I understand fully about genres,and yes I didn't need wikipedia to learn of glam metal/rock,its been a genre in the 80's. Unfortunately you do not understand very much about metal music at all from your posts. 

I understand fully about metal guy,I'm 41 years old and have been into traditional metal for years. The things I hate are the things you think I don't understand.Well let me tell you that I understand fully,I just hate them.

That would be like me saying someone like Budred doesn't know anything about metal music just because I don't get into the majority of bands he does,he has seen countless live shows more than most I know,and knows also of some underground metal,he is just not into the majority of bands I am into but is well aware of the styles and genres you understand?

"If I hate something that is fully commercial or weak you and some people jump to the conclusion that I just  don't understand the style of music and if I did understand it I might like it".  That is false.

And I don't 'hate the JUdas Priest"(lol) just because I don't like every song doesn't mean I hate the band Hell Bent,thats ridiculous.


The  "wikipedia"  is for   "YOU"   Hell Bent to look up and learn that there is a genre of  "glam rock/metal".  The fact that you are unaware of this shows me that you actually are lacking knowledge of metal music in general.

And Advice:  Make sure you study all genres of metal,and the metal underground before engaging into a conversation with someone with my knowlege,sorry for sounding stuck up but I'm sticking up for my knowledge of metal music which is absolutely further advanced than yours,obviously.  Good day!


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[HELL BENT FOR JUDAS] Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:22:06 PM 
  Wikipedia? HAHAH lol.Unfortunately J.D. DIAMOND you dont understand METAL music.
   I hope ypu have not serioue ear problem.This wikipedia thing says everything about your musical talent.
    But basically you have a good taste at least.This situation is not so nasty.
           You can't recognice the music styles. The "RAM IT DOWN" and "HARD AS IRON" are speed metal tracks too
     Anyway the ONSLAUGHT-POWER FROM HELL album is nothing to do with death metal.

      I think J.D. DIAMOND you hate the JUDAS PRIEST.No problem.This is your choice.
  Anyway i think you don't like the truth. You behave like a Pmrc agent. This is very ridicolous.
But this is your choice too.And i hope you do this by your heart and not for money.
    Imo   you and Budred are too material persons.Please don't search in JUDAS PRIEST
musicians' wallets.  Because its' disgusting and impudent behaviour.

            But no problem! We are not the same.

   And advice:don't read too much wikipedia or Kerrang magazine. 
[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:20:15 AM 
(Laughing out loud) I'm not trying to convince anybody to think the way I do,I just enjoy dogging the Turbo album HA.   And glam rock is too a music definition,look it up on wikipedia,it will tell you the same thing haha. Look it up!  Speed metal is on Ram It Down,well just the song Ram It Down,none others.

Yes they play heavy metal tracks on the Ram It Down album but it just sucks,even the track Ram It Down isn't really anything to write home about,but its "ok"...ehhhh...ok. 
I do not love every Priest record,I hate Turbo,Demolition and Nostradamus.

Ram It Down has been walking on thin ice since the day I bought it in 1988 and sometimes breaks through,I was excited about it only because of how shitty the Turbo album was and I didn't realize how dull Ram It Down was untill Painkiller came out to compare it with lol.

Metallica was indeed an "underground" band up till the Master Of Puppets album. The did no video and did no radio,I remember it clear back in those days the underground vibe they had it was the biggest following in the underground's history and thier first 3 LPs were very cool and then they lost Cliff,that was the end of Metallica. I like the Master Of Puppets album,however I may never listen to it again,or anything by shitallica because of how they are nowadays,ruined it for me.

The entire Seattle grunge scene was a total joke,I live up here and remember it well too. We were into Morbid Angel,Deicide and our favorite black metal bands from the 80's  when this shit was out and had to listen to Seattle idiots rave about it,it was horrible and I'm glad its "dead".

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[HELL BENT FOR JUDAS] Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:24:15 PM 
Sometimes i don't care J.D. DIAMOND serious.I don't wanna convince him or others.Musical taste is a subjective thing.
  I just point to some things(imo facts) The "TURBO" album contains 9 HEAVY METAL songs(Glam ,hair are not music style definitions) and
2 SPEED METAL  and 8 HEAVY METAL tracks are on the"RAM IT DOWN" album  I don't care the financial situation, because the life is too short
for needless analysis.I love every JUDAS PRIEST album and i consider by my heart and mind.

              The Metallica is another case to me.the "Master of Puppets" album is a talentless, boring thing ruled by unimaginitive songwriting.
  Hetfield is a awful, weak singer or speaker.Metallica is an overrepresented, extremely well managed band, on other hand better than the
incredible talentless disgusting Nirvana(Kurt Cobain's band).  i think Metallica never was a real underground band.Imo the Metallica and Nirvana  
successes based on similar roots(See their big punk influences,Mtv success,and the situation of Metallica in trash and function of  Nirvana in grunge/alternative
dung movements.

                    Uunfortunately Metallica and Nirvana are far popular in a some circles than the JUDAS PRIEST.Because the JUDAS PRIEST is not sellout band.

     But the bigger problem is the following:You(J.D. DIAMOND and Sik Vikki) put on same class the glorious JUDAS PRIEST and the weak,unlucky Metallica, this is a SHAME. 
               Metallica and PURE METAL?LOL!! Metallica with their big punk influence? Mega-LOL!!!
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:06:23 AM 
lol ahh bull loney.  Metallica are a bunch of sell outs and they suck for doing it in 1988 when they did the "one" video.  Ever since they have got worse and worse. You can force yourself to belive that they didn't sell out and yadda yadda yadda but they did. The Turbo album is a total sellout too.

Thats not the reason I hate the Turbo album or Metallica's albums after Master of Puppets,the reason is the poor song writting for my taste. The Black album is a disgrace to "metal" music in general,bullshit how they made kid's moms like Metallica with the black album,made me sick.

Priest has always been commercial from Rocka Rolla till now,always but with Turbo they totally dropped thier sound entierly for a shit hair band/type album in 1986 that was popular at that time and just to get more fans and make some big time bucks. Fuckin lame.   The Ram It Down album really is a shit album too if you think about it....all the tracks are really B-side Priest tracks at best,but its better than  shit Turbo album thats for sure.

And whats wrong with being narrow minded?  I'm the most narrow-minded member on this site I'd bet,I don't like "rock" music,the only rock bands that I like are old Kiss(1973-1982 except for the crappy Dynasty and Unmasked albums),Black Sabbath(they are blue print of heavy metal)Motorhead,Rainbow with Dio and thats about it. And the only rock bands I still listen to out of those are Motorhead and sometimes very rarely old Black Sabbath.

The rest of the bands I like have some sort of metal in them,primative,speed,traditional heavy,black,occult but they are all in thier purest forms.  I enjoy being narrow minded,back in the 80's I was called a "metal head". lol.

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[Sik Vikki] Tuesday, March 13, 2012 2:54:28 AM 
 Do i think Metallica sold out? Not at all... selling out would be iuf they changed their music style to simply gain popularity/record sales. Mind you... the were VERY popular after Master of Puppets CD was released. My thought is that Dave Mustaine's involvement with the band GREATLY influenced their style... and perhaps that involvement took James, Lars, and Cliff in directions they would have otherwise not have gone. Remember also that Jason Newstead's style greatly slowed down in Metallica as well. Hearing him play in Flotsam & Jetsam... the stuff he played was much harder and faster than anything he played while with metallica. Another guess is that Metallica wanted to explore new avenues of playing... King Nothing has some basslines that aren't all that difficult to play... but nonetheless I find them as artistic as Ian's Bass lines in The Rage. Selling out is such an overused term in the music industry. Another thing to remember is that Judas Priest had some various changes to music over the years. the Turbo CD is still very enjoyable to listen to... but I really loved hearing it played without the synth guitars in the Live in London CD. Remember that Heavy Metal is Music and therefore a form of art... there are no rules... and just because an album can be made to sound commercial... doesn't mean it's a sellout album... even Megadeth had Countdown To Extinction and Youthanasia CDs to prove that point. The true trick to being a musician is being able to step out of the box and try new ideas, and I know cause I play bass myself and even playing stuff like Lynyrd Skynyrd can be enjoyable to play at times. I don't personally think that any particular music "sucks" cause that would only cause me to get narrow-minded. Sure there are thiungs i don't quite like myself, but i wouldn't put the music down simply because my taste differs with it. I simply enjoy as much as I can. one thing i would like to see however in the tabs library is some of Ian's stuff... i think that posts are WAAAAAY off with a lot of songs.
[RiPpErBoss] Saturday, March 03, 2012 8:46:33 PM 
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[icecreamman] Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:53:36 PM 
Metallica broke up in 1983. Metlica has been the new name for that band ever since! Lol
[Judas Priest / One For The Road] Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:12:22 AM 

Lou Reed + Metallica=SELLOUT!!

[johnnybastard] Tuesday, January 10, 2012 3:33:24 PM 
The first two albums are awesome!(cos' the riffs of Dave Mustaine) ...and justice for all, and master of puppets are okay, but not good. To me in the end, sorry i'm not trying to offend anyone, but in the end i think Metallica are /SelloutS\
[Stratovarius217] Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:16:44 PM 
Metallica is not that great
I don't know why but I hardly like any of their song
Just Fuel Master of Puppets the Sandman song whatever its called
I watched a video where the singer inhaled helium and started singing then said that this was Judas Priest
[HELL BENT FOR JUDAS] Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:41:46 PM 
A guy asked me for opinion about Metallica"Master Of Puppets" album on other section.I tried to listen from start to finish.
But i cannot do this.
     I start with the best part.The best song is the "Battery" and this is undeniable.Because this song is the shortest!
What can we see besides?
Jerky guitar themes,songs without invetions and ideas,bad sounds.This is a boring machine music with some average
moments.When Hetfield speaks "Sanitarium" everybody can find  maybe the "deepest" moment  of the album.
What a pseudo-sternness! Ha-ha!!  It's very ridicolous!
 "Disposable Heroes" is  a very heavy and boring track.The ."Master Of Puppets" song contains one of the weakest  "vocal" performance ever. 
  This track is boring as hell!         
                                     All in all if i wanna listen extrem music , i will use the  ATHEIST "Piece Of Time"  album. Edited at: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:42:23 PM Edited at: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:43:52 PM
Edited at: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:46:23 PM
[HELL BENT FOR JUDAS] Thursday, November 03, 2011 3:55:21 PM 
METALLICA is overrated but the "Fade To Black","Creeping Death","Escape" are outstanding tracks.
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