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Nostradamus; The downfall of Priest
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[never_surrender] Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:59:53 PM 
First off, all of us posting here are Priest fans and I don't have the right to judge how another fan judges this album.

With that said, I will just try to explain why I dig this as a Priest album and not just as a concept album or a metal opera or anything of that sort.

There is a huge difference between the short interludes in this album and say, a Motley Crue ballad.

These short interludes are not what the 80s hair metal chicks dig, if you know what I mean.

These interludes serve as a light (but still dark in their lyrics and atmosphere) background on which the heavier Priest-like hard-driving songs explode into.

Lost Love is a song which is very emotional but still not a Deff Leppard ballad. It still sounds Priest to me.

I like listening to all the 23 tracks in this record but if I wanted something close to a Painkiller or a Defenders, I will just listen to Prophecy, Revelations, Death (not just 'A tocuh of evil', by God a lot more than that), Conquest, Persecution, and Nostradamus.

Still we are left with Exiled, Alone, Visions, Future of Mankind which sound clearly Priest to my ears. Painkiller was not the only album they put out. They have a huge catalog and all of these songs fit one way or another what Priest sound like.

If you ask me, I would say this album is a shot in the arm for classic heavy metal sounds in a world where the Arch Enemies, Dimmu Borgirs (what in the world is that supposed to freaking mean?) and Avenged Sevenfolds also ply their trade.
[doggiedogma] Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:54:52 PM 
I also believe this new album shold have been released under a different band moniker, because this is NOT the music that made JP the "Metal Gods".  This is NOTHING like the first 4 JP albums, those albums are 99% heavy metal and 1% ballads; the new one is the exact opposite! This should have been released under a JP side project because it is not JP IMO!  Comparing this album to Sad Wings, Sin After sin etc.. is wrong and misleading IMO.
I LOVE JP, but NOT this JP; it is alien to me!
Edited at: Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:55:42 PM
[metalmaz] Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:02:42 AM 
The more I listen, the less I like it. I've tried so hard to get into it. 

There are some very good songs there, but overall I'm very let down.

This album seems to have caused a real split with Priest fans. There is the usual "If you don't like it you're stuipd and you're not a Priest fan"  countered with "If you like this pile of shit you must have brain damage"

I don't like it, but I respect those of you who do.   
[Metallark] Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:43:44 AM 
To take it in context, it is my understanding that this Priest effort was geared to play in it's entirely on a Nostradamus tour as well.  Most reports indicated that this was to be more along the lines of a metal opera with theatrics, etc. on the tour. Given that, it seems a good explanation for it's length. Some die-hard expectations seem to indicate a classic hard-driving Priest album. Personally I feel they delivered both. The more I listen the more I enjoy.
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[guidogodoy] Friday, July 11, 2008 5:05:40 PM 
You know, I think it is really interesting how people can listen to the same thing and come away with almost opposite impressions. I was actually driving around the other day listening to Nostra and thinking how much I enjoyed it just BECAUSE the album has so many traces of what I have always enjoyed in Priest. Riffs, phrasing, chord progressions, lyrics, shifting from dark to light, how "I am Nostradamus" goes to that almost evil tone of "Do you BELIEEEEEVE!" With absolutely NO technical knowledge of scales and such, it is tough to describe. I could isolate certain "runs" and, if I had the talent and / or patience and could even cite the song where I heard it before if I sat down and thought about it. Sadly, I have neither! Haaaa!!

Is it just because I am a "diehard" Priest fan and think that they can do no wrong? Hmmm…maybe. However, I was also once a diehard Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth fan. I thought they all started producing disasters at one point or another. As hard as I tried to like it, I HATED the last Maiden album. Likewise, I didn't like Ripper-era Priest, didn't like Two, not really a huge fan of Fight although I really liked Halford. I like (not love) Glenn’s solo projects. Why Priest? Question of a lifetime. I am just thankful to have lived during theirs.

Not to say that those who didn’t like it are not “true” fans, by any means. Far from it. A Priest fan of ANY sort is a great thing in my book. For me, though, Nostra gets two thumbs up. If this is their “downfall” they can take me with them.
Long live the Mighty Priest. Amen!
[Head banger] Friday, July 11, 2008 3:58:08 PM 
tunnel hats off?

IDK, I dont love it, dont hate it.  I do hear a bit of rocka rolla in it, which doesnt help me.
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, July 11, 2008 3:43:29 PM 
I am a fan since 1980(28 years).....and I still can't hear any old JP in this new album.....maybe 1% of 1 song if you really dig hard......but overall....I just can't hear it,I wish I could though(lol!).   So I am a "long time fan"....and I just don't think that this is anywhere near the top 10 Judas Priest recordings.....I believe they went a little to far in the a bit carried away with this epic opera idea....107 minutes long and 10 soft ballads is a bit much for me...I could'nt stay awake long enough to even hardly finish the listen(lol!). 

Hey,hats off(even though I hat hats!lol!)to Judas Priest for giving it thier 100% best effort they could possibly do at this time,Ialway consider them my favorite band and always will,but I still think that Nostradamus was not done the right ways. 10 ballads is way too soft for this band even doing an opera.......its like 10 tracks worth of "Out In The Cold"....or 10 tracks worth of "Night Comes Down"...or 10 tracks of "Angel" I do like these tracks...but to listen to all of them at once is not my idea of a good time,unless I'm going to go to bed listening to these tracks.  It just should of been more heavy and alot shorter of an album.
But I am glad that 99% almost 100% of all of you on love this album to death.....good for you guys......I however can only hope that this band's career is not over after this long epic opera album. 
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[Healer] Friday, July 11, 2008 12:23:36 PM 
Well said, Totally agree about us long time fans appriciating it a lot more. I think it even brings back a bit of Rocka-Rolla too.
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[Maple Syrup] Friday, July 11, 2008 11:47:29 AM 
I am enjoying Nostradamus. Sure, it is not your Standard British Metal album, but there are heavy songs done in a different way. I like how Rob's voice transcends you back to the old say Sad Wings or Sin after Sin days. Althought there are a few prodding songs and some of the intro stuff are a bit long, I think you have to view it as a whole epic piece. Maybe it is a bit obscure for the new Priest fan, but for the diehards it puts alot of perspective into Priest and their careers, which is literally at the sunset. They can do what the want and it is still meaningful to me after following them for 30 years. Maybe the outside world is scratching their heads and saying why did they release this? But, this JP fan is smiling and looking forward to seeing them live again in August for the 35th time. Thanks for all the years of music and the new Nostradamus JP.       

[GRINDER *] Friday, July 11, 2008 9:20:40 AM 
Think this is a chapter (good one)in the history of Judas Priest, it doesn't mean that they will play like this in the future albums

Defend The Faith

[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:52:26 PM 
I agree Great White. I can't hear anything that sounds like early Priest in Nostradamus as so many claim.I think that the majority of fans are just excited that a new Priest album is will be interesting to hear what people have to say about this LP in about 3 years when it's no longer new.  
I think that if the band is going to continue with the new style and sound of the new album...then maybe the band should change thier name from Judas Priest to "Nostradamus"......??? no?   

I can't and never understood why the band feels that they need to "change the face and sound of heavy metal"??? They tried this with 3 albums.....Turbo....Demolition....and now Nostradamus.....I think that Ram It Down is even a better example of what JP is about over the new album.
Yes they tried something new,but "new" is not always "better".  
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[Great White] Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:32:12 PM 

Nostradamus is no where near what the first three albums are like, I grew up listening to Rocka Rolla, sad wings, etc.  I love those albums, but the new CD is very dark.  Yes this album is not to my taste, yet every other album, aside from Turbo are.  We all have our opinions and there will always be people who like and dislike an album.  I wish other people would respect their opionions.  I have no problem with people who say they love this album.  That's great, just because I don't doesn't make me any less a fan than anyone else.  Priest rock!!!! They always will!

[JayDee  Jepsen] Monday, July 07, 2008 1:32:56 AM 
JUDAS PRIEST takes a sharp dive on the Billboard 200.....JP dropping from #11 - #40.  Without radio support JP Nostradamus will be off the charts by next week or two.
[Scott Gavin] Monday, July 07, 2008 12:16:28 AM 
Review from the New Zealand Herald [ the countrys biggest daily newspaper].

Four stars [ out of 5]

One of the most influential metal bands ever builds a concept around one of the greatest seers into an epic and sprawling Nostra-drama. Its not the future of rock n' roll but bombastic never sounded quite so fantastic. ipod essential : Death.

Couldn't agree more, and for those complaining about the tempo of the songs, I would argue that most of their songs are this tempo, its the ones that aren't that stand out [ like er ... Nostrodamus for example.] It may be a bit more lightweight, soft even, but what, ... Living after midnight isn't? most of turbo isn't, Last rose of summer isn't?. You don't have to love it, I don't like turbo, most of point of entry, and even a lot of Screaming. I think its obvious that its a polarising album, that in ten or fifteen years people will still be talking about [ and thats the sign of a classic .... , or a disaster - now I'm confusing myself!] Like it or lump it, thats the curse of the Priest fan.
[Turtle44] Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:54:05 PM 
I really don't think that this is the downfall of Priest. I just think that they are trying something different here and are experimenting. It is new direction that they are taking and want to see how everything goes. One has to have a open mind when listening to this cd.
[aceroperuano] Sunday, July 06, 2008 1:10:18 PM 
 I know I have posted this in other theme but i feel I have to do it here too:

I want  to make things clear, I adore Judas Priest, I live for Judas,  I even constantly sware over the symbolic image of Rob leather pants or studed leather jacket(I actually do!), but.......but I really don't like this album, and I think that being a Judas Priest  doesn't mean that i should be bland at the hour of critisize his work, or praise every new album they get out like is a new painkiller or stained class,  so  this is it: this is not a good Judas Priest album, why?? lets see, Rob: great vocals, Glen and KK: awesome guitar player, Ian hill: he do a good work, Scott Travis: excellent drums man, so why this is a bad album?? because almost 90% of the song are midpaced, kinda low tune, a profuse use of synth(cut it out!), I mean a little is right but for godsake this is Judas Priest!! heavy metal in its purest form!! and I wanted like that, this album have a bland sound and not Priest sound,  it haves its moments(War, Visions,etc) but  I think this is the "hey  guys!  lets make  experimental/conceptual music just for the fun" album,this should be a one disc album, cause were many fillers songs this time, what amaze coming from a band like Priest.

 I think this was unavoidable, they have to make and experimental album so they could grow musically and see what it fits really with Judas Priest music and style, I give this album a 6.5 on a 10 scale, and believes me, it hurts me to gave that pointage, I only hope next album would be better.

So this is it, now you can stone me to death for been a Judas Priest heretic,  but at least I know that I feel better(or worse, depend how you see it) for writting these here...this is my katarsis.
[Scott Gavin] Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:29:02 PM 
Its 'cos we forget to! Future of mankind is my new favourite.My Wife thinks its very reminiscent of Floyd's The Wall. Responding to criticisms that Scott's drumming has been 'phoned in' as it were, or is a drum machine [ on some songs this may be the case, but only ones where there is hardly any percussion], or that Ian Hill is invisible on the album [ also valid on some songs] this song proves them wrong. Its funny all the criticisms I hear, remind me of how I felt the FIRST time I heard the album, and I sort of thought they might have a point, but now I've been listening to it for a couple of weeks, you can hear new things all the time; the bass lines, the drum fills, the harmonies and Rob's backing vocals. People criticising the album have obviously only listened to it once [ at a stretch twice] and haven't given it its due. That is also a poor way to review any piece of music. I really do prefer disc 2 over one [ hard call though] seems like hit after hit; Exile, Alone [ which should be a legitimate chart hit], visions, Nostrodamus and Future Of Mankind. Its like a greatest hits already, even my kids love it [ which makes a lovely change from crazy frog and hip hop!].
[Bulldawg] Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:59:24 PM 
I don't know why I don't hear alot of people talking about "Future of Mankind" and "Persecution"....clearly two of the best songs on a great cd.
[Scott Gavin] Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:17:14 AM 
Rather than putting a negative spin on it, the fact that Nostrodamus is selling strongly enough to spend a second week in the US Top 40 is very encouraging. Not only did AOR enter the charts two places lower, it plummeted to somewhere like No.67 the following week, and then dissapeared out of the top 100. All unit sales across the board are lower so that argument is fatuous and irrelevant. It looks like Nostrodamus could spend a few more weeks in the US charts, hopefully boosted by the US tour starting in two weeks. Hopefully they'll add songs like Alone and Persecution to the setlist and drop the ponderous [ if atmospheric] Death. We have just bought a third copy of it [ one was a gift for a friend], as the version I burnt off for my wife has all the tracks individualised so there is a 'stop' in between each song. Great anti-piracy ploy, but we were happy to buy again, cheaper in NZ than on Amazon US anyway! Radio stations here really plugging the album and the show, big posters up in central Auckland, its like a dream come true.
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