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Nostradamus; The downfall of Priest
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:28:27 PM 
I think that fans should restrain from bashing out at the band with these threads about the new album.For some,including myself...this album is definately a well thought out concept,a well recorded production and a very smart story line but will not settle in and feel at home with the elite JP recordings. I as well think that the band is headed in the wrong direction and is simply to far up in thier career to mold into an album that is more of an opera sprinkled with a touch of heavy metal...instead of a heavy metal album sprinkled with a touch of opera.

Thats just my personal opinion.I as well think the album is far to long and way to slow...and to many ballads....but there is still one thing here....I still love judas Priest and I hail them for putting in such dedication and I am far from dissappointed in the bands effort in Nostradamus,......there is no need to bash the band here....but it is ok to express ones opinion in a respectable manner and have respect for other fans here whos opinion is of that Nostradamus is Priest's best work to date.......we all have something in common here....we all love Judas Priest!!!!!!!
[Bazookajoe_666] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 4:06:44 PM 
Who cares man? Do you think many people know that? No, they know Nostradamus as the seer of the future.

And why are you believing Wikipedia haha, it's known to be wrong half the time.

Anyway, again as the band stated, the concept is about the events in his life, NOTHING ELSE. Not his jobs, nothing.
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[Bazookajoe_666] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:52:25 PM 
Let explain your points.

1. They are only playing select dates because of the METAL MASTERS TOUR! It's only 16 dates long (I think, might be 15). Wait for the full blown tour and mulitple legs to kick in. THEN we'll get a full on Priest tour, just be patient.

2. Fine, your opinion.

3. They do plan to, and it's going to be nothing short of amazing live, they said they have a lot of really cool stage ideas to put in. Such as the thrown Rob sits on when they play Death, and comes out dressed in a robe covered with studs on the first song, dressed like Nostradamus. It's cheesy as hell yes but it's fucking awesome too haha.

4. It wasn't forced on them. Just suggested and they took the idea. They've been wanting to do a concept album for decades.

5. I don't really know what to say to this but..... NOOOOOOOOOSSTRADAMMMUSSS!!!
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[Painkiller87] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:52:10 PM 
IMHO, I think Priest needs a new direction in music and this was perfect. It is probably one of the best albums I have ever heard in a long time, and I have listened to so many different styles of metal and all sorts of music. To say this is Priest's downfall is a very ignorant statement. Those points you made, JudasPriest4Ever, are not really valid because they are either opinions or false statements or just plain whining statements. I don't wish to say too much, but I will say that Priest will last for a considerable amount of time longer than anyone can guess. They always think up something really cool for everyone to listen to and will always give out great performances. Now lets just think of all the positive things about this album and these tours and just be ready for when they come to a venue near you. BTW everyone hopefully I will get platinum passes around early July for the Phoenix show in August and be able to bring my two roomates in on the fun. Everyone have a great day and keep on being faithful to the Metal Gods!
[screaming_4_priest] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:26:46 PM 
Thanx friend.

Im from the UK. & yes i was very upset that we only had one date for the year, but i saved up the money & went to Download fest anyway to see well just Judas Priest really & a few others. but it was worth it.

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[DemonCat] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:27:12 PM 
I believe you meant DF. He's made the quite appropriate complaint about too many Nostradamus threads. This one included...which very well may be the downfall of it's creator.
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[spapad] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:48:42 PM 
WTF! DC, I now see what your comment about too many Nos. discussions being posted was about. I feel unclean just posting my objection to this page. GET ME OUT OF HERE
[Diamond Jim] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:40:48 PM 

[Dead_Reckoning [Banned]] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:20:28 PM 
Priest could.t even get Nostradamus' life story right - try wikipedia for a write up. He was more a healer than a bloody visionary. Gonnae miss ya Necro....
[Eternal Betrayer] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:54:46 AM 
You're already converted - you don't count. 

This is for all the sinners!
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[screaming_4_priest] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:42:17 AM 
I see what your trying to do, BUt its a concept album & doing that just complety underminds the plot & what the band have worked hard to get across.
[Eternal Betrayer] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:36:38 AM 
THE ANSWER - for all those still scratching their heads over the latest offering from JP is, I think, perhaps one caused by the pacing on the album.

It is, after all, very very long, with some considerable mid-paced / ballad-y numbers. My advice is to edit it down to a slimmer, meaner & faster 80mins (single disc) version.

Select the following running order on to a CDR, or ipod playlist etc, and hear a much more familiar, agressive & traditional metal-esq  sounding release.

1.   Dawn of creation
2.   Prophecy
3.   Awakening
4.   Revelations
5.   Sands of Time
6.   Pestilence & plague
7.   Death
8.   Peace
9.   Conquest
10. Persecution
11. Alone
12. Shadows in the flame
13. Visions
14. Calm before the storm
15. Nostradamus
16. Future of mankind

Now, I know there will be many out there screaming (for vengeance) that this is sacriledge & not how the album is intended to be listened to, but, then they are already the converted, and what we are trying to do here is get as many people on board as possible. I myself, do find the whole double disc a rather flabby affair, I'm sorry to say, and do actually prefer the above edited version which I find is a far pacier & exciting listen - much more what I was hoping for.

I see it as something similar to the cinema release versions of the Lord Of The Rings films, as opposed to their much weightier Director's cut DVDs.

As for the missing tracks, well once you've grown to love the above you can re-incert them later, or visit them individually & see how they shape up having acclimatized yourself to this new world of the metal gods.

Just trying to help.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:37:09 AM
[sue.daglish] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:20:13 AM 
hey necro 
i am beginning to wonder if you actually like priest at all.all i have seen you do is slag off at everything.if you actually read this message then if you do like priest how bout not slagging them off for once.j priest cant please every one all the time every time.but if someone likes the album then you thats up to them.its not your far as i am concerned priest have not made many rubbish songs if you like to put it that way.i have been a massive fan for nearly 30 years and the only album i am not keen on is turbo.but it still has some great songs on i might not like it a lot but you might think its a great either grow up and start supporting your group or go and moan at some other website,because it seems thats all you are good for,moan moan moan
[\m/ Metal Maniac \m/] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:07:06 AM 
I'm not here to bash anyone, but I believe this album is as far from a downfall as it can get. It's quite an amazing album, and while it doesn't draw upon songs like "Painkiller" or "Sentinel" it certainly displays Priest's talents as songwriters. It's safe to say that while this is a new direction it's more of a mature direction because no longer do we hear Priest re-hashes of tunes about leather and monsters.

And it's about damn time they use synthesizers correctly (unlike another album we all know)!
[screaming_4_priest] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 8:36:11 AM 

C ya laterz.

Dont let the door hit you on the way out!!

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[Necroticist] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 7:11:18 AM 
i'm pissed with u lemmings - u dont HAVE to like a CD just cos it's priest - if it was another band u'd fucking hate it - it is shite and this is the last post u'll ever see from me cos i am leaving the site....Friends know where to find me....jeez....
[Brent 27744] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:53:56 AM 
Nostradamus is NOT the downfall of Priest. 

The album is not one of my favorites from them, but a lot of people seem to like it. Also, Priest has had other albums heavily criticized and they end up surviving in the end. Every band has its ups and downs. A band as established as Priest can weather the criticism.
[sue.daglish] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:26:33 AM 
your name is judaspriest4ever,then how the hell can you slag off the best metal band in the world.
1st of all this is one of their best albums by far,and bands who just keep on churning the same old shit out all the time end up on the slag as far as i am concerned that is why judas priest are not on the slag heep.they have made a truly classic album and you should not ever put them down.i have been a fan ever since british steel and all of there albums are brill.what is wrong with a concept album anyway its fresh and different to a o if you just give it another listen too then you might start to appreciate how good this album is.i will never understand fans who slag off thier bands just because the album is not the way you like it.enjoy it for what it is.
there i have said my piece.i feel better now
[Screamin' Demon] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:18:02 AM 
JP4Eva you make your name so ironic. This album is as 'Priest as it gets. It's heavy, it has fast moments, brutal moments, it's epic, groovy, it's badass and rocks my balls off big time. Judas Priest wanted to move in this direction and Painkiller, Angel Of Retribution, and Nostradamus are what the real 'Priest are about.
Edited at: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 6:21:03 AM
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