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[Dale T.] Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:05:29 PM 
I'm not saying that these bands are trying to be as talented as Judas Priest or better. I guess what I was saying or why I agreed with Brian is if I had to choose which band I think is more talented I would pick Judas Priest. I can't get into that hard core stuff but I'm sure they are very good musicians.
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Wednesday, March 03, 2010 2:58:23 AM 
No offense Dale,but that sounds "idiotic". The entire purpose of "black metal"  and  "death metal" was "NOT" to be  as talented, like talented heavy metal bands such as Judas Priest,Black Sabbath,Iron Maiden,Saxon.That was the whole idea dude,it baffles my 39 year old brian that there are so called 'metal" fans out here that actually believe that a band like "Venom" or any black/death metal band for that matter are or were trying to be as talented as a band like Judas Priest or Iron Maiden! HAHAHA are you fucking kidding me Dale?

Thats like Brian Evans( the poser who stole the real Brian Evan's name)claiming Toxic Holocaust are trying to be like Judas Priest or Iron maiden and are trying to play heavy metal. Come on,you guys have really got to start doing your homework man,I am not saying you have to like black metal or death metal its ok if you hate it,but to actually think that they are trying to be as talented as a band like Priest spills of ignorance.

I'm just trying to tell you because sooner or later somebody else is going to trash you up one side and down the other for not realizing what your talking about so it might as well be from me right? Again,you don't have to like black metal,death metal or those "hard core death metal bands" as you called them,but they are not trying to be "talented" they are about extreme aggression and attitude.

You think Venom were trying to be talented? Or "Bathory"?  They had a shitty tinny  untalented sound on purpose to achieve an ugly atmosphere that matches lyrically what they were creating and writting about and also what they looked like aesthetics wise.Black metal is not punk but the idea of creating a "raw" sound is very similar. If Venom had a sound like Defenders Of The Faith it wouldn't be fucking "Venom" now would it? No.

I do NOT like very much punk rock at all yes a few that I really like,but not very much at all,most of it sucks to me but I even know "why" they sound like they do,I know that they are not trying or claming to be "talented". It shouldn't be "this hard" for you to understand,maybe thats why it baffles my fuckin brain Dale.
[Dale T.] Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:03:56 PM 
Excellent! Not sure why I thought you guys were glam but after listening to that I know different! I like those double-kicks! That album cover reminds me of one of the Saxon covers.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Monday, March 01, 2010 9:50:24 AM)
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[Dale T.] Tuesday, March 02, 2010 10:52:50 PM 
I think your right about that Brian, those hard core death metal bands are not quite as talented as the innovators-Judas Priest. Shoot, Priest are the best! Long live the Priest metal beast!
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[jimmyjames] Tuesday, March 02, 2010 11:36:17 AM 
Awesome thanks for that. I'll keep an eye out for some of those on my next trip to the cd store. Always great to get some recommendations.
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, March 01, 2010 4:34:17 PM 
Yeah I know you were not "criticizing it" jimmy and yeah I know what it means:In Latin, the text “JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS” would have been written, “Iesus Nazarenus Rex Iudaeorum.” Abbreviated, this phrase results in “INRI.”  I got the "punch line" and the joke as well.  

Venom's best albums are the first 4 from 1981 to 1985 Welcome To Hell,Black Metal,At War With Satan and Possessed.The other 2 albums by Venom that are very good are 1996 "Cast In Stone and 2000 "Ressurection". Those are the 6 best Venom albums of all time,the rest I wouldn't really recommend.

I like Bathory's first 4 albums,1984 "Bathory" then "The Return" and then 1986 Under The Sign Of The Black Mark and the classic 1988 album "Blood, Fire, Death . But when "Twilight Of The Gods" came out in 90' or 91'   thats when I didn't care for Quorthon's music anymore,it just wasn't "Bathory" to me anymore as the sound and style changed to drastically. 

Celtic Frost used to be very cool with thier first 2 albums 1984 "Morbid Tales" and 1985 "To Mega Therion" but after that they fell apart going into a very commercial non-like-Celitc Frost style.By the time Vanity Nemisis came out they were already "terrible" in my opinion. 

The best King Diamond albums in my opinion are Fatal Portrait,Voodoo and The Puppet master,but thats the only 3 albums I really like by the King,the rest are just not my thing.  These are the albums from Venom,King Diamond,Celtic Frost and Bathory that I would recommend you playing on your radio show rather than any other releases from these bands.The albums that I mentioned are the band's best albums in the eyes of many old-school fans from back in the day,just an observation and of course an opinion but a damn good opinion! lol!

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[jimmyjames] Monday, March 01, 2010 4:24:45 PM 
I wasn't criticizing it. I.N.R.I is the inscription on the cross, it stands for Jesus of Nazareth King of the Jews or something. It's just the punchline to an old joke that it actually stands for I'm Nailed Right In. Actually quite like Venom, played one of there songs on my last radio show. King Diamonds pretty cool too, always liked Fatal Portrait and Conspiracy. Even had a couple of Bathory albums on cassette, Blood Fire Death and another one called Twilight i think. Have to dig them out and have another listen to them, if i can find a cassette player, they're pretty hard to come by these days. Actually thinking about it had a Celtic Frost cassette as well called Vanity/Nemesis, try to find that too.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Monday, March 01, 2010 3:50:27 PM)
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, March 01, 2010 4:01:26 PM 
Yeah hellrider,hey Meltdown...this is cool man,this gets heads banging and blood pumping,tracks like this make slower - paced tracks more interesting,if tracks like this are mixed in with the album the slower tracks seem better,its all phycological but us metal heads are narrow minded haha!!!!! lol!!  Hey lets give credit where credit is due,hails to Meltdown for his new track "Blast It"!!   I love black,death,thrash metal but Its cool to hear songs without any thrash,death or black metal influenced in it because sooo many bands use black,death,thrash when they create heavy metal and it taints the heavy metal music. Again,good job Meltdown!!
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, March 01, 2010 3:50:27 PM 
(lol!) Yeah its probably nothing that floats your boat jimmy,but these bands are the elite classic black/death metal bands of the 1980's,these are the Godfathers of extreme metal.There was nothing before "Venom" only "punk" and of course traditional heavy metal like our own Judas Priest,but for extreme metal ....nope,there was nothing before Venom.

They created "black metal" and also the term "death metal",speed metal and thrash was all Venom.The media quicky labeled anything "satanic" as "black metal" in the early 80's and thats what it became,even old Mercyful Fate like the debut album and Melissa,Don't Break The Oath albums were considered "black metal" even though King was playing heavy metal music wise,but because of the heavy satanic theme it was called "Black metal" and looking back on it now rightfully so.

At that time there was no band that supported corpse paint as King Diamond did with his satanic beliefs. Venom created black metal but it was Venom,Mercyful fate and Bathory are the 3 bands that made up the early black metal scene of the 80's along with bands like Hellhammer,Celtic Frost and Sarcofago as well.Some of these bands like Venom,Bathory,Sarcofago didn't play guitar solos in some of thier songs but the majority had them, while a band like Hellhammer didn't play solos at all,just rhythm guitar assult and it wasn't because they didn't know how to play solos,and it wasn't the record company telling them not to play any because of a "trend" like the early 90's grunge scene,it was an "underground"  attitude of agression,thats other reason.

Just like the old punks not playing solos,it wasn't designed for technical guitar solo players at all,it was to cater to the underground rivit heads into non-popular music,every track didn't need a glamourous "guitar solo" but they still played some,just not every track.People who can't understand this are nothing more than "morons". Its like bashing the Ramones for not playing "solos"?? lol! But these bands were "classic underground" elite bands from the awsome 1980's. Toxic Holocaust's song "Nuke The Cross" plays tribute to this genre and they do it well,very well.
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[jimmyjames] Monday, March 01, 2010 2:38:16 PM 
INRI - I'm Nailed Right In.
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, March 01, 2010 2:22:23 PM 
Sarcofago - INRI - 1987 Total influence on the norwegians who would later support the second wave of black metal in the early 90's. Venom,Bathory,Hellhammer were the influence that Sarcofago upheld at this time. Total "CLASSIC METAL" from the 1980's with yet again no guitar solo in this track. 

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[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, March 01, 2010 2:09:05 PM 
Hellhammer - Crucifixtion -1983,one of the godfathers of Black metal along with Venom and Bathory,fucking elite traditional old-school 1980's elite.This track doesn't have a guitar solo either,no needs one. 

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[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, March 01, 2010 2:06:51 PM 
Venom - Black metal 1982 Traditional elite and the founders of extreme metal,Black Metal,death metal,thrash metal they are the inventors.Classic Metal from the 1980's.(no guitar solo) big fuckin deal,were they supposed to be like K.K. & Glenn whaling on solos? No. Only idiots question "classic metal" because they wouldn't know what "classic" is if it hit them in the balls.

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[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, March 01, 2010 1:06:06 PM 
Way to go Meltdown,yeah thats some headbanging stuff...good job and good solos..ect...
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Monday, March 01, 2010 1:03:58 PM 

This is a heads up for everybody here to watch out for the dumbfuck.

Now,as for you dipfuck you haven't rithed yourself out of anything as I totally and completely embarrassed you for your obvious geek behaviour. What your saying makes 100% no-sense whatsoever,not at all not even close.As I said to you,do your fuckin "home work" before you disscuss anything to me let alone "metal".
Now,you've made yet even more of a fool out of yourself by your idiotic post of no knowledge.Your acting as if the guys in Toxic Holocaust are trying to portray "heavy metal" in the traditional vien of Judas Priest Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath,your such a fuckin idiot dude,your not "getting to me' your not "upsetting me" and your not making any 'sense" at all,I'm just showing off your stupidity to the others who are laughing at you and trust me pal,"they are" to the fullest degree. You know "nothing" about "metal" let alone traditional heavy metal.Now go back to your Iron Maiden thread and do as I told you to do...shut your mouth because nobody wants to hear from you.You will never be able to disscuss anything with the elite big boys around here so stop embarrassing yourself.Isn't it time you had your daily nap?
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[METAL MELTDOWN] Monday, March 01, 2010 9:50:24 AM 
Hey JD..Here is an old school sounding fast one for you....
[Brian_Evans] Monday, March 01, 2010 9:41:21 AM 
Bathory formed in 1983. Ha! 1983? HaHaHA!! Thats too funny! That guy can't sing heavy metal any better than the other video you posted. Sounds like that was recorded in a garage or something. Whats so funny is that just about anyone could sing that. Where's the good guitar solo? No way these guys can compete with the masters like Iron Maiden and Black Sabbath. HaHa! Too funny. This Black Sabbath video is what real  metal is all about with excellent vocal talent, excellent guitar work. Good guitar solo. Much better than that tinny sounding Bathory.  Here's stage four for you.  #4. The guitar solo is on of the main elements of heavy metal.

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[spapad] Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:27:23 PM 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:36:43 PM)
[J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, February 28, 2010 8:04:06 PM 

HAHAHA!! Ah,people like you are a dime a dozen idiots...I'll give it to you in 3 stages here.....First off your not even qualified to be talking to the ranks of somebody like me and yes I say this with arrogance towards you because this is the only thing someone like you could possibly understand.....

Second.....I'd be rich right now if I had a nickle for every time I explained "metal" to those who are irrelevant to this elite genre but I'm only doing this to expose your stupidity and embarrass you in front of the others wich you rightfully deserve for your obvious unworthy comments since the only thing you care about is "Iron Maiden".

 Third.....Take a look at what shirt the singer is wearing first off...its Bathory's first album 1984,the vocals totally pay homage to Quorthon(Bathory R.I.P.) and the flame spitting is also a tribute to "Quorthon" of Bathory as he used to do this as the Norwegians took this up like Abbath from Immortal so your a dumb fuck for asking.

 A real old-school fan would know this and where is the guitar solo in the opening track "Hades" on the first Bathory album dipshit?? There isn't one because not every track HAS to have a guitar solo and this was the philosophy back in the early to mid 80's way before the pop-cultured shit bands like Nirvana chose not to use guitar solos because they didn't know how to play them or the record company told them not to because of the latest "trend".

Bands like Bathory would occasionaly pumble a song all the way through with NO solo sometimes upholding the philosophy of the 70's punk like Venom sometimes used to do. Where is the "guitar solo" in Breaking The Law?? There isn't one so I suppose Judas Priest sucks because they didn't play a freakin "guitar solo" like Iron Maiden would of? Psfffff what a joke.

So your attempt on dogging Toxic Holocaust for not playing a "guitar solo" failed miserably,your making yourself look like an idiot that you are so thanks for opening up your mouth and removing all doubt dumbshit. Go back to your Iron Maiden thread and shut your mouth,if you ever want to disscuss "metal"  with me,do your homework first fanboy.

 As you were....

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