Both great bands, but they have a very different sound. Priest are metal and AC/DC are more blues rock. Their roots are in the likes of Chuck Berry etc.
That is a great comment and clearly from the heart. From my point of view I wouldn't want to see Priest without KK. He's been there from the beginning and he and Glenn are responsible for that distinct sound that a hired hand just wouldn't be able to create. I think they will have lost their soul and his absence will be massivly apparent on stage.
It reminds me of when Adrian Smith left Maiden. No Prayer For the Dying and to a lesser extent Fear Of The Dark are weak by Maiden's standards and I think Adrian's departure was almost as significant as Bruce''s and if he hadn't returned when Bruce had, Maiden would not be where they are now.
I would be happier remembering Priest with KK [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Tuesday, April 26, 2011 4:33:16 PM)
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
Really? But you'd give in if Eddie Van Halen was playing? What does that say about YOU? I am going to the farewell tour to say THANK YOU and goodbye to my favorite band OF ALL TIME! If KK chooses not to be a part of it, then that is HIS choice. Rob, Glenn, Ian and Scott deserve to be recognized for everything they have given the world of music. Don't go to the show, it'll leave more front row seats for the rest of us that want to THANK PRIEST for all they have given us!!
icomearoundnow wrote:
So is this the Farewell Tour or what? Talk of a new album, that probably means a new tour. Rob taking 50%?? LOL this can't be true. KK is probably upset Rob promotes himself so much at the expense of Priest. And I will say right now that anytime any of these guys has strayed from the originals, all that has resulted is a 3rd rate version of Priest. I liked the first Fight album's direction and it should have been a Priest album, even more than Painkiller, which was actually a step backward, writing wise. Demolition I became fond of, just because of its pure tenacity. But these guys should never, ever split, it's like The Jacksons going out with a replacement, can't be done. The only way I would go to see this tour is if they got Eddie Van Halen as a guest. These posts that are giving in to this show a real lack of Priest acumen. Edited at: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 3:30:24 PM
What a terrible terrible shame. This is the guy who founded the band. Strong rumour has it that it was finance related. Rob has allegedly insisted that he took 50 % of the band's income since his return (ego.....) and this caused huge fractions within the group.
I am very very skeptical about it being a health matter. Or if it is, ill helath has been caused by the strife. It must be very very very bitter departure and KK would not take such drastic action lightly. .
[metalmaz] Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:48:22 AM
1)Sinner
2) Exciter
3) Judas Is Rising
4) Hell Bent For Leather
5) Night Crawler
6) Hellion/Electric Eye
7) Stained Class
8) The Rage
9)_ Freewheel Burning
10) Dissident Aggressor
11) Victim Of Changes
12) Steeler
13) Inavader
14) Diamonds & Rust
15) Delivering The Goods
16) The Ripper
17) Rapid Fire
18) Saints In Hell
Edited at: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:51:32 AM
[metalmaz] Thursday, September 09, 2010 8:24:22 AM
It amuses me how people think that if an album sells well, it's good. Shania Twain has sold shedloads, but does it make it good?
Avatar and Titanic broke box office receipts, but I found it hard to keep awake during both of them. Good special effects, yes, but a rubbish script and terrible acting
And look at the TV shows that get a huge audience. In England there is a terrible soap opera called Eastenders. All it is is a bunch ugly inbreds screeching and cawing at each other. And as for Simon Cowell's Britain'got No Talent - God actually WATCH it. Beggars belief.
And look at McDonalds. Repulsive. The burgers are clearly made out of cowshit. But billions of the things are consumed.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:36:33 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
LOL! Yes I know your Lionessheart,I think the new album is failing with 80% of fans,maybe even 90% but the thing is that there are so,so many fans of the band who bought the album hoping it would turn out good and it obviously didn't but just by all these fans buying the album it will make albums sales go up,very deceiving. Same thing with the Turbo album,many bought the album because of the name Judas Priest,its deceiving.
I find it very interesting that such a "HUGE" Iron Maiden fan that you are,you are still disappointed in the New Album. This shows that your are very particular of how they write thier songs. You are anything but a "fanboy" like Brian Evans,if you were, Maiden could put out anything and you would hail it as "good as anything they have ever done". But obviously your not and you are the kind of "fan" that people should go to that don't know much about Iron Maiden,you could give them some advice on what to buy and what not to buy,this jack off Brian Evans is the worst fan anybody could ask.
metalmaz wrote:
We were saying as much on the Saxon forum (I'm Lionessheart!)
metalmaz wrote:
I really dislike Maiden's latest The Final Frontier. The worst Dickinson fronted Maiden album since No Prayer For the Dying. It's not quite as awful as Nostraborues but it's getting there.
Come on Maiden and Priest. Get your acts together.
[metalmaz] Tuesday, September 07, 2010 11:47:50 AM
We were saying as much on the Saxon forum (I'm Lionessheart!) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by metalmaz from Monday, September 06, 2010 1:09:48 PM)
metalmaz wrote:
I really dislike Maiden's latest The Final Frontier. The worst Dickinson fronted Maiden album since No Prayer For the Dying. It's not quite as awful as Nostraborues but it's getting there.
Come on Maiden and Priest. Get your acts together.
I really dislike Maiden's latest The Final Frontier. The worst Dickinson fronted Maiden album since No Prayer For the Dying. It's not quite as awful as Nostraborues but it's getting there.
Come on Maiden and Priest. Get your acts together.
I never judge the quality of an album by it's sales. Shania Twain Come On Over sold shedloads and it's crap [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Void from Tuesday, July 20, 2010 12:07:41 PM)
Void wrote:
Nostradamus was sold preety well in coparision to other record as it reached 11 postition in list of best selling album in GB (only 2 other records had had better place) It was also very popular around the world
It is not bad album, but it's different from "classic" Priest I thing it's good that they tried to change something and still want to develope
What do you mean about Turbo being a Priest album? We know it is.
It seems the fanboys would wank and fawn over anything Priest released, even if they did a bunch of allah songs calling suicide bombers to a mosque to pray before they blew up some infidels.
Priest have fallen very very short of the mark with this album IMO .I'm sure the won't with the next one.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:42:25 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, if "people are just wankng over this album because it is Priest," why wouldn't that hold true for ALL Priest albums? Songs too for that matter? Turbo was a Priest album last time I checked and I don't think I even own it. LP or cassette if at all. RID on both just because it is autographed. Nope, the theory doesn't hold water.
Sorry that you don't like Nostra. I do. Part because it is Priest? Certainly could be. I am intrigued by it complexity, sophistication and what marks the musical culmination of a band I have adored all my life.
metalmaz wrote:
I guess you ran as fast as possible to get it over as fast as possible. I can't think what's worse, running 8 miles or listening to Nostraboruesus!
I agree that the length of a song does not back a good record. It's actually what's in it. Death is 7.34.minutes. 7.34 minutes of crap. The the whole of Nostraborues is over 70 minutes. How the hell they only managed make around 15 minutes of it worth listening to is beyond belief.
People are only wanking over this because it's A Priest album. If any other band had done it everyone would say it was complete crap.
For the most part Nostra is a fat, lazy, overblown, turgid and tedious. I can't believe how a group who have given us so many great albums could have the audacity to foist this on the public.
Of course some of you love it and that's fine. I respect their opinions. But I just can't get into Nostra and it's not for want of trying.
guidogodoy wrote:
I wholeheartedly disagree. Nostra shows whats it takes to make an epic HM album. It is NOT that Maiden crap, 10 minute songs do not make for a good record. Ran 8 miles to Nosrta last night. Loved every second of it.
Just one man's opinion but I stated it before. Heaven forbid that this be their last album but I would be a happy camper were it so. It is nothing short of maasterpiece.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Nostradamus is anything but "Judas Priest" and is musically not a "heavy metal" album. Dio's "Magica" is a concept album that is a "heavy metal" album that is done the traditional way done right with so many instruments,Judas Priest should of took a class with Dio as the instructor teaching them how to do such an album. Magica is light years ahead of it's time and of course ahead of Nostradamus by far. This is the best concept album of all time. Hail Dio!
(Quoting Message by jackylone from Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:32:33 AM)
jackylone wrote:
Don't let anyone steer you away from listening to Nostradamus. It is a great album about a historical figure....everyone wants Painkiller, can't do the same thing over and over, it would all sound the same! NOSTRADAMUS=MASTERPIECE Edited at: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:33:09 AM
I guess you ran as fast as possible to get it over as fast as possible. I can't think what's worse, running 8 miles or listening to Nostraboruesus!
I agree that the length of a song does not back a good record. It's actually what's in it. Death is 7.34.minutes. 7.34 minutes of crap. The the whole of Nostraborues is over 70 minutes. How the hell they only managed make around 15 minutes of it worth listening to is beyond belief.
People are only wanking over this because it's A Priest album. If any other band had done it everyone would say it was complete crap.
For the most part Nostra is a fat, lazy, overblown, turgid and tedious. I can't believe how a group who have given us so many great albums could have the audacity to foist this on the public.
Of course some of you love it and that's fine. I respect their opinions. But I just can't get into Nostra and it's not for want of trying.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:11:16 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I wholeheartedly disagree. Nostra shows whats it takes to make an epic HM album. It is NOT that Maiden crap, 10 minute songs do not make for a good record. Ran 8 miles to Nosrta last night. Loved every second of it.
Just one man's opinion but I stated it before. Heaven forbid that this be their last album but I would be a happy camper were it so. It is nothing short of maasterpiece.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Nostradamus is anything but "Judas Priest" and is musically not a "heavy metal" album. Dio's "Magica" is a concept album that is a "heavy metal" album that is done the traditional way done right with so many instruments,Judas Priest should of took a class with Dio as the instructor teaching them how to do such an album. Magica is light years ahead of it's time and of course ahead of Nostradamus by far. This is the best concept album of all time. Hail Dio!
(Quoting Message by jackylone from Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:32:33 AM)
jackylone wrote:
Don't let anyone steer you away from listening to Nostradamus. It is a great album about a historical figure....everyone wants Painkiller, can't do the same thing over and over, it would all sound the same! NOSTRADAMUS=MASTERPIECE Edited at: Saturday, July 10, 2010 8:33:09 AM
Hey Budred. Priest are one of my favourite ever groups, but I have to agree that Nostradamus, with the exception of about 3 songs is utter shit. It's the worst Halford fronted Priest album. I think they realise it sucks as well On the Nostradamus tour they only did 4 songs - or was it 3?
Lets hope Priest see sense (I'm pretty sure they have) and go back to what they do best with their next album - arse kicking, rib crunching heavy metal.
However, this album could be a wonderful way to beat the Taliban ragheads. Blast it over the desert at full volume. They will die of boredom! Then we can bring our troops home [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, July 01, 2010 4:29:18 AM)
Budred wrote:
To each his own but I've only listened to Nostradamus all the way through once. That was when I first bought it.
Now, 5 or 6 songs in and my stomach is turning so bad I shut it off. I almost missed The Metal Masters Tour because
of it. I didn't decide to go until the day of the show. Thank goodness I went. Priest only played one song from
Nostradamus and it was the last time I'll ever see Dio. That, in hindsight, makes me so glad I went. I like the song
"Alone" and a couple of others. The rest of the album could be tossed into a smelt. (A melting process that separates
(METAL) from the product, rock, ore, shitty albums, etc.)(LOL)
So are you saying it is acceptable to ridicule people who like ABBA or The Carpenters? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, June 25, 2010 6:45:30 AM)
Budred wrote:
It was other posts also. You're doing it now. I'm 44 and can only stomach one of her albums.
Others posted having The Carpenters or Abba etc. in their collection but you chose me to ridicule.
I never had a problem with any Priests. I was never an alter boy. The only reason I'm discussing religion
right now is because you're asking me questions about it. I think it always leads to conflict because my
experience has been whenever it's brought up to me and I tell people how I feel and that I have no use
for religion and would rather not discuss it then it leads to an interrogation of why. I just don't want to talk about it.
It's that simple. My only purpose here is to get along with Priest fans. Share stories, pics, whatever. I do not
want to have drawn out discussions about religion. You make it sound as though I'm constantly posting
negative posts about religion when out of 1000(roughly) posts I've left here only a few have been about god.
I don't have quite the problem with religion that you're leading onto. I'm not responding to any more questions
about it. The funny thing is that I've actually tried to get along with you, I think you just enjoy fucking with me.
Just stop posting after me and I'll do the same with you.
jimmyjames wrote:
If you're referring to me taking the piss out of you for being into Alanis Morrisette it's nothing personal. I would take the piss out of any 45 year old man who states in a public forum that he enjoys music of Alanis Morrisette. It's music for scorned, man hating, teenage females Bud.
How does discussing religion lead to conflict? I know you can bring up the Crusades and Hitlers attept to eradicate the jews and so forth and say that religion has caused a lot of wars blah blah, but seriously, this is an internet chatroom. There's not going to be any conflict because people decide to talk about religion. It's just another subject. And one that you seem to have strong feelings about, so why not discuss it? Did you have a bad experience with a priest when you were an altar boy or something?
Budred wrote:
Discussing religion only leads to conflict. It's been that way since it was invented. I'm not here for conflict.
All my posts about religion have been about the so called god not any person who believes in him. I think
people should believe in themselves and give themselves credit for what they achieve. I write this to tell you
how I feel, not how any one else should feel. My antagonizing comment refers to more than just this back and forth.
You seem to ridicule me each time you get the chance. I don't do that to people here so I get bothered when
it happens to me. This will set me up for more of the same but I'll deal with it. I do think you enjoy trying to get a
rise out of me so in the future I'll (try) to ignore your comments.
jimmyjames wrote:
No problem at all, not trying to antagonize you either. Why not discuss religion? You've made some pretty negative comments about it. I was just wondering why that's all? I'm not a religious person but if believing in something gives somebody the strength or mindset to achieve what they want to achieve why knock it? Obviously the clowns that go round shoving their beliefs down other peoples throats are idiots but they're a minority.
Budred wrote:
Jimmy James I am not here to discuss religion so I'll mention in advance
I will answer no more questions related to such. I also sense that you are trying to
antagonize me. I could be wrong? Please state what your problem with me is.
I hope so as well. I've tried so hard to get into Nostradamus, but I think for the most part it sucks and it's their worst ever Halford fronted album. I think they realise that as well, they only performed a few songs from it during the tour to promote it and they seem to have dropped the idea of performing the whole thing live. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Brian_Evans from Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:17:00 AM)
Interesting. The vast majority of rock music on my iPod is from the 60's, 70's and 80's. Plus the material from the 90's and 00's tend to be from the bands who have been around for man years. Maiden, Kiss, Priest, AC/DC etc. I like Airbourne though.
When the greats finally hang up their guitars music, who knows? Edited at: Saturday, June 12, 2010 8:47:03 AM
Here here. Ian may not be a songwriter, but he's Priest's lynch pin, the quiet chap, holding it all together.
Very much like Charlie Watts. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Jeanine from Monday, May 31, 2010 9:32:27 PM)
Jeanine wrote:
Hey, no bad talk about Ian. I love Steve Harris but I also LOVE Ian. Come on man!!!!!
In many cases, a group's most famous album isn't necessarily their best. In my opinion Iron Maiden did better albums than Number Of The Beast, Motorhead did better albums than Ace Of space and the Beatles certainly released albums superior to Sgt Pepper.
British Steel is by far and away Judas Priest's best known album. But is it their best?
I'm going to be very unoriginal here, because in my opinion it is. British Steel contains so much brilliant material. Yes it is commercial and yes it does contain some more simply structured than much of Priest's other output.
But does that really matter? Rapid Fire, Metal Gods, Grinder, The Rage, Steeler, You don't Have To Be Old and of course the evergreen Breaking The Law and Living After Midnight. The only slight blip is United.
Although the likes of Stained Class (a very close second), Killing Machine and Sad Wings Of Destiny give Steel a close run for their money, for me, British Steel is the Priest album I would save if my house was burning down.
The Golden Girls was very popular in England is is still shown on cable. It was a great show. I didn't realise that Betty White was the only one still alive and she's 88.
Well we can compare albums, because they are performed by the same group and written by the same composers.
I doubt if Priest (or another band) would want a bunch of sad fanboys/girls brown nosing everything they released and never ever making critical remark over their releases. I hate fawners and I'm sure they do too. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Hellbourne from Monday, May 31, 2010 6:10:04 PM)
Hellbourne wrote:
I do not think one should compare albums. granted Turbo and Ram It did not have many great songs as many other albums, but JP still creates the very best in music. It seems that many still live in the old days, or songs. Just as many say the same exact things about Ac\DC's latest album and a few others. It falls upon one's taste in music... and if one can change as the bands music changes in its creating. British Steel is British Steel, and someone would be complaining if JP made the same exact or copied British steel format in every song. It is a hit and miss type deal. If any of us could write or perform better... it would be one of us standing on stage, but apparently we complainers cannot write or perform, nor should they be so judgemental.
It's not my favourite JP album, but it's still pretty good. It's superior to Turbo and far far better than Ram It Down. Hell Patrol and Night Crawler are great songs. They need to drop the title track in concert though Edited at: Saturday, May 29, 2010 10:42:55 AM
I am very upset. Dio gave us so much great music with Rainbow, Black Sabbath, his solo albums and Heaven and Hell
I saw Heaven and Hell in London and they were awesone.
Ronnie you were one of the greats and you have left us a terrific musical legacy.
My sympathy to your family and friends.
Thank you Ronnie - REST IN PEACE
Well said. Nostra is a past album. We want a mixture of old and new [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Saturday, May 08, 2010 1:40:51 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
it seems like alot of metal bands are doing tours now where they play entire past albums.with PRIEST lets hope it does not become a constant thing.I WANT NEW HARD CORE PRIEST WHAT ABOUT YOURSELF (Quoting Message by metalmaz from Saturday, May 08, 2010 12:51:04 PM)
metalmaz wrote:
When I saw Maiden on the AMOLAD tour, I was really into the album and I thought it was one of the best albums they had ever released. But I thought it was a HUGE HUGE mistake to play it all live and so did most of the audience. Over the last 12 months or so I have changed my mind about AMOLAD album.There are some great song on it, but there are also some that bore me rigid and if my house was on fire, it would not be an album I'd snatch up before I got out. You are quite right about Maiden milking their past with The Early Years and Somewhere Back In Time tours - both of which were brilliant. Of course Priest have done/will do the same and that is what most people want to see.
jimmyjames wrote:
What are you disagreeing with, that they're flogging British Steel because there's nothing new to promote or a Nostradamus tour would have been a failure?
Of course AMOLAD tour was a snorefest, the albums a shocker, really bad. I never saw them on the tour but if I was in the crowd and they spent 75 minutes of two hour show playing that I'd be pretty pissed off. I cant believe with their back catalogue of good songs they would even think of playing that in it's entirety. It's delusional.
If and when Maiden do their 30th anniversary Number Of The Beast Tour I will bag that as well if they milk it for as long as Priest have milked British Steel. And I'm sure they will by the way. Especially if Final Frontier is as crap as it looks like it's going to be.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, I completely disagree. Granted, Nostra would have had a limited audience and I don't think they could have pulled off a full tour but a few choice locations and I (and many) would have taken a plane to get there. What do you have to say about that snorefest that was the penultimate Maiden tour? It SUCKED!! Bruce himself even commented in many an interview how off-put he was at the poor reception of AMOLAD. What do they do? Follow up with a nostalgia tour with Somewhere in Time. Try to call back their fan-base. IMO, a way to excuse themselves from a sad album and sad tour.
Priest with BS just knocked them off the shelf even if Halford doesn't know how to fly a plane.
jimmyjames wrote:
C'mon Vail, eveyone knows the reason they didn't tour Snotradamus is because if they had hardly anyone would have gone to see it. As far as BS goes, theyre flogging that for all it's worth because they haven't come up with any decent new material. Keeping metal alive is not the motive, they're trying to squeeze every last cent out of it before they have to put Halford in a wheelchair.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh, come on Hellrider! Of course they're keeping the metal alive!!! Otherwise they wouldn't have celebrated British Steel's 30th anniversary and toured the US and Canada, much less play it in its entirety. They could've easily done the same with all of Nostra. But did they? No!! They are keeping the faith by recognizing that creating Heavy Metal is what propelled them to fame in the first place. Besides, they still have many more years ahead of them and they'll create a Heavy Metal masterpiece that will surely RIP OUR FACES OFF!!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
they tell us keep the faith .keep the metal alive and then they reliese this album with only a very few metal tracks on it rest being easy rock.WTF THIS IS NOT PUSHING METAL FORWARD
When I saw Maiden on the AMOLAD tour, I was really into the album and I thought it was one of the best albums they had ever released. But I thought it was a HUGE HUGE mistake to play it all live and so did most of the audience.
Over the last 12 months or so I have changed my mind about AMOLAD album.There are some great song on it, but there are also some that bore me rigid and if my house was on fire, it would not be an album I'd snatch up before I got out.
You are quite right about Maiden milking their past with The Early Years and Somewhere Back In Time tours - both of which were brilliant. Of course Priest have done/will do the same and that is what most people want to see. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, May 07, 2010 4:41:50 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
What are you disagreeing with, that they're flogging British Steel because there's nothing new to promote or a Nostradamus tour would have been a failure?
Of course AMOLAD tour was a snorefest, the albums a shocker, really bad. I never saw them on the tour but if I was in the crowd and they spent 75 minutes of two hour show playing that I'd be pretty pissed off. I cant believe with their back catalogue of good songs they would even think of playing that in it's entirety. It's delusional.
If and when Maiden do their 30th anniversary Number Of The Beast Tour I will bag that as well if they milk it for as long as Priest have milked British Steel. And I'm sure they will by the way. Especially if Final Frontier is as crap as it looks like it's going to be.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, I completely disagree. Granted, Nostra would have had a limited audience and I don't think they could have pulled off a full tour but a few choice locations and I (and many) would have taken a plane to get there. What do you have to say about that snorefest that was the penultimate Maiden tour? It SUCKED!! Bruce himself even commented in many an interview how off-put he was at the poor reception of AMOLAD. What do they do? Follow up with a nostalgia tour with Somewhere in Time. Try to call back their fan-base. IMO, a way to excuse themselves from a sad album and sad tour.
Priest with BS just knocked them off the shelf even if Halford doesn't know how to fly a plane.
jimmyjames wrote:
C'mon Vail, eveyone knows the reason they didn't tour Snotradamus is because if they had hardly anyone would have gone to see it. As far as BS goes, theyre flogging that for all it's worth because they haven't come up with any decent new material. Keeping metal alive is not the motive, they're trying to squeeze every last cent out of it before they have to put Halford in a wheelchair.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh, come on Hellrider! Of course they're keeping the metal alive!!! Otherwise they wouldn't have celebrated British Steel's 30th anniversary and toured the US and Canada, much less play it in its entirety. They could've easily done the same with all of Nostra. But did they? No!! They are keeping the faith by recognizing that creating Heavy Metal is what propelled them to fame in the first place. Besides, they still have many more years ahead of them and they'll create a Heavy Metal masterpiece that will surely RIP OUR FACES OFF!!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
they tell us keep the faith .keep the metal alive and then they reliese this album with only a very few metal tracks on it rest being easy rock.WTF THIS IS NOT PUSHING METAL FORWARD
They're neither. Both albums have some excellent songs, but also contain average/below part songs. POE is superior to Turbo, but it's nowhere near their best
Cats/ Phantom/Evita etc are all musicals telling a story. Nostra is an album telling a story as is Tommy by the Who. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, April 26, 2010 10:18:42 PM)
Nostra is one of the worst Halford fronted Priest albums. Perhaps only Ram It down sucks more. They have (thankfully) failed to proceed with the horrendous idea of playing it all live, despite claiming after it's release they would. It almost 2 years since Nostra, so it doesn't look like that will happen. Instead they went with an album released 30 years ago. Says it all doesn't it.
I like Angel Of Retribution (apart form Lochness). Priest should stick to what they play best. Bone crunching metal. Leave the poncey rock opera to Andrew Llyod Webber
[Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Thursday, April 08, 2010 8:52:50 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
first of all i hope i did not offend you with my post but i LOVE PRIEST and HALFORD THE METAL GOD way to much to just keep my mouth shut and dont give a fuc? what comes next from them.second you got me all wrong.i love the majority of all the PRIEST ALBUMS but the MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLLLLLER does the most for me it also defines heavy metal in my opinion in every way.the majority of nostradamus IS EXACTLY THE THING THAT IS KILLING METAL IN MY OPINION .I AM JUST TRYING TO KEEP THE METAL ALIVE I LOVE IT SO MUCH.IT IS MY FUEL FOR LIFE.
onetreehill wrote:
I take it Hellrider is a poster like the one I described. He got on the bus with Painkiller and thinks that is all the band is about. Shame
Painkiller is an outstanding album, especially when you consider how weak, relatively speaking, its predecessor was, but even on Painkiller there are a variety of sounds. Freewheelin Burning is as good an opener on a Priest album that you will ever find, but if the whole album sounded like that, Freewheel Burning wouldn't be nearly as explosive as it is and DOF wouldn't be as great as it is.
Thanks for the piece from Nostradamus, Hellrider, as soon as it ended, I wanted to hear the song that came after it - that's the. sign of a great album. Edited at: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:08:01 PM
Edited at: Thursday, April 08, 2010 7:08:53 PM
that would be sooooo cool!!!! my dj friend, (the one that started all the hype over this), is doing the leg work, we are shooting for a weekend somewhere after halloween but before thanksgiving....i told him it can't be before october 28th, as that is day number 500, and i'll be damned if i'm not making it to 500...lol....i will have to die to not make it!!!! He wants to do a final interview on his show after the listen....i have to admit this has been crazy, but alot of fun at the same time...by far the high point of it all was meeting Priest! i still get goose bumps thinking back at that night!! i don't know how i'm going to not listen after the party night.....its been a part of my life for nearly a year and a half....poor dog will be wondering what's up...lol
[metalmaz] Saturday, September 05, 2009 7:12:01 AM
Ah - Dusty Springfield - Fantastic voice. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MetalPixie from Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:02:32 PM)
MetalPixie wrote:
In no particular order ...
Chrissie Hynde (the Pretenders)
Dusty Springfield
Doro Pesch (Warlock, solo)
Ann Wilson (Heart)
Christina Aguilera (sorry ... the girl can SING!!)
... and tons more - but you limited me to 5 - and I'm working on my "play nice with others" skills.
I bought Priest Live In london recently. Up until then the only Ripper era songs I'd heard were the ones on the Priest box set
I was pleasantly surprised by Live In London. I think Tim did a steller job on a lot of the songs (and on this album he sings Painkiller far far better than Rob does in A Touch Of Evil Live). He's also great on The Ripper (to be expected!) I like his versionof The Sentinal as well.
But songs like Breaking The Law, Metal Gods and Victim Of Changes are so unique to Rob and it's hard to accept anyone else singing them.
However, I've got a lot of time for Tim. He held the fort well and I admire him a lot. The two Iced Earth albums he sung on were great and I was sorry when he got ousted. The follow up album with Barlow back was poor.
I'm glad Tim is doing his own stuff. He's got the talent not to be a hired hand.
I agree. Whilst the Johnson era has produced a couple of average albums, they have also done some classics. I was lucky enough to see them in London earlier this year. They were fantastic. One of the best gigs I've been to [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 04, 2009 10:15:34 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I personally have to say that Bon Scott era of AC/DC was the best,....albums like "Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap"...."High Voltage"....."Let There Be Rock"........"Powerage"......."Highway To Hell".....but I get sick and tired of too many people slagging Brian Johnson all the time.
This guy has done albums like "Back In Black"........"For Those About To Rock We Salute You"........."Flick Of The Switch"............."Blow Up Your Video"..........and "Black Ice"..........So even though the albums and vocalist in Bon was AC/DC at thier best,those albums with Brian Johnson were top notch AC/DC albums in thier own right.
Brian Johnson "Saved" AC/DC ....how difficult it was to replace a legend like Bon Scott and Brian Johnson did one hell of a job and is not too far off of Bon's greatness.
Or the people who wear rock T shirts as fashion statements and they probably don't know any songs from the band they are displaying [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:37:31 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I agree metalmaz.....I've seen many so-called "die-hard-fans" of Priest when really they are a casual fan....I ask them about albums or songs and they can't even name all thier albums!
metalmaz wrote:
I think most people who attend concerts whether it be Priest or Maiden or Metallica or whoever tend to be casual rather than die hard fans. A lot of them won't have every single release by them and I reckon most of them have never been near the JP forum either.
I bet if you did a straw poll many people in a Priest concert wouldn't be able to name all their releases as well. And does it matter? If you put a ban on them because "they are not real fans" Priest would be playing to unfilled veneus.
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, August 06, 2009 12:07:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I dont know the technical terms either (are most priest fans more musicaly knowledgable than fans of other bands?)
I do notice a marked change in style with british steel, and again with painkiller. then of course rob left....
its actualy not the converting the casual I think that is the problem, its getting the casual fan to begin with. how many maiden "fans" are there that cant name half the CD's they have put out, and own edward the great and one other. priest doesnt have those "fans"
Bev wrote:
IDK HB ... though they push the musical boundaries the music can be associated with them (wish I could use the appropriate technical terms), but it is definitely distinguishable; the guitar style, tone, etc is KK & Glenn, vocals definitely Rob / Ripper. 'Has something to do with production but if you know the sound you recognize the band. Sorry, don't know how better to describe it. I think it's been up to the diehards to Baptize the casual! If they don't convert, well that is on us - lol
I think most people who attend concerts whether it be Priest or Maiden or Metallica or whoever tend to be casual rather than die hard fans. A lot of them won't have every single release by them and I reckon most of them have never been near the JP forum either.
I bet if you did a straw poll many people in a Priest concert wouldn't be able to name all their releases as well. And does it matter? If you put a ban on them because "they are not real fans" Priest would be playing to unfilled veneus.
I dont know the technical terms either (are most priest fans more musicaly knowledgable than fans of other bands?)
I do notice a marked change in style with british steel, and again with painkiller. then of course rob left....
its actualy not the converting the casual I think that is the problem, its getting the casual fan to begin with. how many maiden "fans" are there that cant name half the CD's they have put out, and own edward the great and one other. priest doesnt have those "fans"
Bev wrote:
IDK HB ... though they push the musical boundaries the music can be associated with them (wish I could use the appropriate technical terms), but it is definitely distinguishable; the guitar style, tone, etc is KK & Glenn, vocals definitely Rob / Ripper. 'Has something to do with production but if you know the sound you recognize the band. Sorry, don't know how better to describe it. I think it's been up to the diehards to Baptize the casual! If they don't convert, well that is on us - lol
For a moment I thought you meant Keep The Faith by Bon Jovi! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:13:35 PM)
Becks wrote:
LOL once again it's good timing cos I am wearing my Keep The Faith JP shirt haha.
spapad wrote:
Keepin the Faith!
Becks wrote:
Well said Ron and Spa! As long as fans keep the metal faith alive, then Priest will continue to release bone crushing heavy metal albums for us all to listen to and enjoy.
ron h wrote:
Hey folks
Of course they're gonna put out another realease, probably more, just not one every year anymore...they're a live band and love to tour, and now that Rob's back, they're not stuck playing at the Hard Rock Cafe anymore 4-5,000 seat venues are perfect...up close and personnel, not a bad seat to be had...in some places, they play much bigger venues...I believe once they put out a straight up Metal album, we're all gonna be jacked up and things will once again be right in the world again LONG LIVE PRIEST Edited at: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 8:05:03 PM
Overall I'd have to agree with you. It's got some great moments, but it is patchy in parts. I think Dissident Aggressor rocks as does Hammer And The Anvil. Not keen on the version of Painkiller or Riding On The Wind. And you are bang on about the difference in Rob's voice in 2005 and 2008 . It was the first thing I thought on seeing them last year on how much stronger Rob was vocally. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Screamin' Demon from Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:28:28 AM)
Screamin' Demon wrote:
I just bought and listened to A Touch Of Evil Live. After taking a full listen, my response to it is going to be bittersweet. The quality of the recordings is superb and nothing less than Priest's standards. Though, there is a huge difference in sound in songs from 2005 & 2008. The ultimate disappointment is the fact that 6 of the 11 songs are just touched-up versions from Rising In The East on which Rob sounded tired, strained and unable to grasp that mid-range growl. Listening to the new songs really shows how refreshed the band is since they hit the road in June last year. Between The Hammer And The Anvil, Death, Dissident Aggressor, Eat Me Alive and Prophecy all show a revitalised and a hungry Judas Priest. Death in particular raises my hairs. Rob has truly come back a hero on this Priest Feast tour and is now an unstoppable leather clad brute. The tracklisting however is too short and too many mindblowing tracks like Hell Patrol and Sinner feel sorely missed. The album is worth a buy, but overall nothing special. I find myself preferring to listen to fan filmed footage on youtube than to listen to the album. My rating 6.5/10 Edited at: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:51:50 AM
Or appearing on that show (called the X Factor in England and American Idol in the USA). What is the name of that idiot who foisted this garbage on us. Simon something or other. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, August 06, 2009 8:18:52 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah yes! The voice of reason! HAAAAAAAAAA! Actually, I do not think the "popularity" would be affected much (outside of the fanbase) because if you look at what passes for "popular" music today, it is the finished "product" that is LEAST important!! From what I see, all you need is a synthesizer on your mic, a pre-recorded drumbeat, a few dancers writhing around behind you and some cheap dance moves and you are a "popular" artist. Hardly much of a MUSICAL product involved at all.
Bev wrote:
... at the end of the day, would it not be the music (the finished product) that determines the band's popularity? Only a thought to include lively discussion ; )
Maiden don't suck (apart from No Prayer For The Dying and Virtual IX).
Priest don't suck (apart from Ram It Down and Nostradamus)
THEY BOTH RULE!!!
Does it matter anyway?
It would be boring if everybody lied and disliked the same thing. There's room for all bands anyway, so lets repest each others tastes. God I sound like a bleeding heart liberal
By the way JD Diamond this is Lionessheart from the Saxon Forum! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by priest rules the world from Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:29:44 AM)
Er no. Elton John was pretty popular and he's gay (Allegedly)
If Priest wanted to be more popular they'd be like Bon Jovi. Can't see them doing thatt [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MP from Tuesday, August 04, 2009 11:34:58 AM)
So it appears that Priest have put the idea of performing the whole of Nostradamus on the backburner and will now be playing the whole of British Steel instead. (lucky old America!)
Given the choice, which would you prefer?
British Steel for me. Apart from United, I love the whole album. So many classic songs.
I like Burnin Up and Before The Dawn, but agree about Take On The World and Evil Fantasies. Poor songs [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:54:10 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Take On The World, Burnin' Up, Before The Dawn and Evil Fantasies are 4 tracks from Hell Bent For Leather that I think are under-par quality songs. They should of left those 4 songs off Hell Bent For Leather.
This is why I think Stained Class is that much better.
I sincerely hope the great majority of you will help sell out the venues Priest will be playing this Summer with Whitesnake. Believe me, had it not been for the choice of saving for college, which is one an year away now, I would have joined some of you for an unforgettable night of HEAVY METAL.
I'm writing this post as a memo to all those going and to all those who still haven't made up their minds. I tell you, Europe is rotten with envy, pure and simple, at the tour you're getting (exclusively, I'm afraid). It is a once in a lifetime oportunity, to see the PRIEST (which is already quite a night!), add to that the fact they'll be playing an album Rob can still cover decently vocally... You're in for the best night of your lives, quite possibly. Don't miss it out of laziness, hesitation or pure procrastination. If you can afford to, if it is feasible, then for those that can't fly over to the US, make yourselves and us a favour, and go support the Priest, mae some noise, wear proudly the vests of the acolytes we all are.
NOSTRADAMUS to me is possibly PRIEST'S best album...
Sure it's not as fast or heavy as some of their previous material, but the depth and execution are brilliant. The song writing and instrumentation are also brilliant.. I can listen to songs like AWAKENING & REVELATIONS, SANDS OF TIME, PESTILENCE & PLAGUE, PEACE & CONQUEST, SOLITUDE & EXILED, and FUTURE OF MANKIND over and over..
Great stuff especially Rob's vocals which are powerful and emotional. Glen's solo in P&P might be his best..
Anyone who disagrees, try listening to it with the lights out when you're in bed ready to go to sleep.. Incredible album...
How can anybody disagree that "Turbo" is Judas Priest's worst album? Man Maple Syrup this album reeks of terrible songwritting."Turbo Lover and Locked In are two of Judas Priest's worst songs they have ever written
and in my book is an embarrasment to fans of Judas Priest and the entire heavy metal community. YUK! LOL!
"Turbo lover"........."Locked In"..... "Private Property"......."Parental Guidance"....."Rock You All Around The World"......."Out In The Cold"........"Hot For Love"......."Wild Nights".......
These are "*" of Judas Priest's worst songs ever recorded!!!!!!!!!!! Grade this album an "F" for "failure".
Maple Syrup wrote:
Wasnt their worst J.D sorry....This flyer featues: Locked In & TL..1986 MpleSyrp Edited at: Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:44:10 PM
Very true, but AC/DC aren't metal. Priest are the most true metal band (Nostra aside of course).
There was very little moshing /jumping etc at the AC/DC gig in London due to the fact it's a totally different type of music to Priest. It's blues based and is influenced by the likes of Chuck Berry, BB King etc.
Priest is metal and has it's roots in the likes of Black Sabbath and the Gillan era Deep Purple.
Overall I certainly prefer Priest. I'm not at all keen on Nostradamus, but on the whole I like them more. ACCA are great but Priest are greater.
metalmaz, don't get me wrong
I do like them both but for me metal doesn't always have to be about jumping and headbanging.
I just enjoy more Judas because they touched my heart in a special way, that's all.
The London gig was fantastic, but they could have dropped Angus's rather boring guitar solo and put in another song [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:24:05 AM)
Bazooka Joe wrote:
Yuo do realize ACDC has two guitarists right? Angus and Malcom....
Sure Angus is the lead guitarist but Malcom rights pretty much all the music. Without him ACDC probably be half as good as they are,
max beardsall wrote:
look i really like ac/dc ,but you cant compare them with judas priest because the priest have got that secound lead guitar so they have a lot more range.ac/dc arnt heavy metal they are hard rock, and will stay that way until they get that secound guitarist,wich will never happen.
Well it strikes me as very strange that they stated that they were going to perform the whole of Nostradamus live and they've decided instead to do an album that is not that far off 30 years old instead.
In London they played 2 songs from Nostradamus. They hardly plugged the new album did they?!
So if they want to play it so very very very much, why not do it on the back of the release?
I hope that they don't do another Nostra. Priest should stick to what they are so brillianr act. Good old heavy metal. Leave the blown up stuff to Jim Steinman Edited at: Sunday, May 03, 2009 6:25:42 AM
I saw them in London last Thursday. Brilliant gig. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by LadyBathory9 from Saturday, April 18, 2009 1:47:08 PM)
LadyBathory9 wrote:
MG DID U GET UR TICKETS FOR AC/DC...
I HAVE MY TICKET TO AC/DC fOR MONTREAL!!!HAVE IT! HAVE IT!
Yes. So much for all that waxing lyrical about playing the whole album!
They did very few songs from it on tour.
Now the "evening with Nostradamus" has been shelved and Priest will be playing an album recorded 28 years ago!
British Steel is far superior, but I think it would be far better for them to do an eclectic setlist with some of the less played gems. There are so many after all [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Tuesday, March 24, 2009 10:16:22 PM)
Bazooka Joe wrote:
We'll see about Nostradamus live. After all the whole band has been repeating over and over that they ARE going to play the entire album live. They've only been in production and planning for 3 fuckin years now haha.
But anyway...
Is anyone going to see Priest play British Steel in Toronto at the Molson Amphitheater on July 9th??????
I might possibly be going to see them on this and would love to meet anyone from the boards if there attending. I know some people from the Q are going as well.
Kurt Hoffman28917 wrote:
C'mon folks, we all know why they aren't doing a "Nostradamus" Tour. IN addition to few people who would go to an exclusively all Nostrofest concert w/o a few
old hits, the economy sucks and it is nearly 30 years since British Steel was released. As far as I was concerned seeing them this past summer, Metal Gods was a highlight as Halford gave a vintage high note on "slaves". Would really like to hear him sing Rapid Fire since the last time I heard them do that one was with Tim Owens. Hearing the Rage done live sounds good too!!! Crue are doing a "Dr. Feelgood" in its entirety tour too for Cruefest and hey , why not? Bob Rock didn't ruin their sound like he did to Metalllica! British steel was their 1st gold studio album in the states and hey, it will sell some tickets. I actually like David Coverdale and hope he opens with Purple's "Burn" as he still can sing most of his older rep too! OK later, Kurt
I'll agree with with metalmaz, no they didn't exactly plug the album, but this album has a different quality to the others for some reason. It seems they have stepped up a gear with this one. And in contrast to some others here, I think its brill and can't get enough of it.
Okay, first of all Im looking forward to going to Paris tomorrow, and to see the Metal Gods again on Saturday ... IF I get there!
1,2 mill people on strike in France right now!? WHAT!! Couldn't they have waited till next week ...
I hopw it won't interfere with all my plans and time schedules, good thing I'm there a day early ...
I'll let you know about the show when I get back
I thought they were were going to do the whole of Nostradamus as well .
A bit of an about turn isn't it if it is true [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Senior Rocker from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:05:39 AM)
Senior Rocker wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any truth in the recent UK Classic Rock Mag article that the boys are doing a tour next year to commemorate the 30th Anniversary of British Steel Album ? Classic Rock also reckon that if this happens the talked about/planning of a Nostradamus show will be abandoned. Is it a rumour.....................
If you don't bloody like it, don't read the thread [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, March 13, 2009 5:00:33 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Ummm No offence intended.... but WHY does this topic require a thread??...... HEY why don't I start an "environmental disaster thread for Australia"...... Seriously, wasn't it enough to talk about this shit in "moment please" ??
Well he was upside down in Australia! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by LadyBathory9 from Monday, March 09, 2009 4:27:00 PM)
LadyBathory9 wrote:
I read some of your posts and think that all of you are lucky to have at least seen them live once or twice, i didn't. so, i couldn't care less if Rob was singing upside down, i would be so into them! It would be a memorable moment of my life. Just think Judas Priest. Wow!!
you've missed my point! I don't expect Rob to look me in the eye!! Great though that would be! I just feel that a litttle more " looking at the crowd" would be good.
That was my sole objection to the Wembley gig. Musically they were brilliant. Rob sounded brilliant . I had a brilliant time.
JUDAS PRIEST A A BRILLIANT FUCKING METAL BAND. THEY ARE METAL GODS!!!
Phantom is right, metalmaz. Not everyone is lucky enough to see Judas Priest live, so at least be grateful that you got to see them again. I only saw them once, and I was too busy having a good time to notice every single one of Rob's flaws. Heck, I went crazy when he walked to my side of the audience, trying to encourage us to sing/scream... at that point nobody cares if Rob is in need of a workout....Plus Rob is not just singing to you, as though you're the one he should concetrate on....he has to divide his attention to thousands of people. Don't try to hog him for yourself, you know...
How could anyone go to a Priest show and walk away dissapointed! If someone is disappointed then they just went there to pick the show apart.
No way,if your a fan such as you Jeanine, that folks like us could go to the concert and not feel 100% satisfied! Maz is being a little to picky and that might earn me an ignore, but I don't care. No way! You can go to a Priest concert and walk away feeling incomplete unless you just want to be unhappy.
Sorry, just the way I feel! DTF!
Jeanine wrote:
I also must agree. I have said this before, I am so extremely thankful to be able to see this band 24-25 years after I first saw them. After going through the 90's of not so great music I was so excited to hear they were up playing again. I truly love the music, I love seeing them live. The shows aren't what they used to be but neither am I . We are better than before . Always loved them but I appreciate them more now.
Keep your nightmares Marian. We all have our owns.
(Quoting Message by metalmaz from Saturday, March 07, 2009 12:31:58 PM)
metalmaz wrote:
Imagine (horror of horrors) that you were going to be marooned on a desert island, incarcerated in the Tombs etc etc and you were only aloud 5 Judas Priest albums.
Which ones would you take?
Tough choice, but mine would be.
Screaming For Vengeance
British Steel
Painkiller
Stained Class
Unleashed In The East
Priest need to give their full cooperation to an authorised biography done by someone like Malcom Dome (who did an excellent biography on Iron Maiden).
Imagine (horror of horrors) that you were going to be marooned on a desert island, incarcerated in the Tombs etc etc and you were only aloud 5 Judas Priest albums.
Which ones would you take?
Tough choice, but mine would be.
Screaming For Vengeance
British Steel
Painkiller
Stained Class
Unleashed In The East
Don't get me wrong, Priest were brilliant at Wembley, I really enjoyed it.
I don't expect Rob to do starjumps and leap all over the place. ALL I'm saying is (and I am not the only one to have this opinion), is I find his endless tooing and froing from side to side of the stage annoying. It is most certainly not dignified and I don't understand why he needs to do it. And since when was metal dignified?
The guy is fronting a metal band for God's sake not delivering a bloody lecture at university.
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not so much his attire, my friend, as his demeanor. I do not expect him to wear a tuxedo and top hat, of course! My reference was to his behavior in a comparative instance to his early years. A younger Rob, while allegedly "hiding" his sexuality clearly tried, with a certain fervor, to display it with his onstage "wiggling" and "prancing". Perhaps a lot of that had to do with his feelings of confinement? Perhaps it was his way of "acting out"? Hell, I am no Dr. Phil, man.
As an "older" man, having accomplished so very much in his career of choice, I should think you can see clearly his more refined, even dignified approach to his stage personae? All of this is just this man's opinion, of course.
(Quoting Message by metalmaz from Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:33:04 AM)
metalmaz wrote:
Dignified? In in stage garb?
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, March 06, 2009 8:04:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Quite frankly, I would rather not see Rob swishing his behind and prancing around the stage. There is an element of dignity to what he does now. I respect that.
ronhartsell wrote:
metalmaz...I would argue that most 57 year olds don't do what he does...and do it night after night...and add in all the travel (do they not travel by bus over land??), the heat from the lights, the weight of the wardrobe...not making excuses here, just thinking...
metalmaz wrote:
Most 57 year olds have got more energy than him.
Matchova wrote:
Com on, Rob is 57, and thank God he dosnt strutt around like he taught he was a teenager, I cant stand it when guys at his age pop-around like they were 30 years younger than their actual age, that just becomes parody.
The reason he bends over I suspect, is to "push forward" the diafragma to ensure the quality.
The stageshow they put on is bombastic, the lighting, smoke, scenery...how many new bands puts on a show like that?? What more do you need to add?
Also, personaly I think that Diamonds and Rust for example is a song that suits Robs nodays more darker voice better than before.
But thats me...
Quite frankly, I would rather not see Rob swishing his behind and prancing around the stage. There is an element of dignity to what he does now. I respect that.
ronhartsell wrote:
metalmaz...I would argue that most 57 year olds don't do what he does...and do it night after night...and add in all the travel (do they not travel by bus over land??), the heat from the lights, the weight of the wardrobe...not making excuses here, just thinking...
metalmaz wrote:
Most 57 year olds have got more energy than him.
Matchova wrote:
Com on, Rob is 57, and thank God he dosnt strutt around like he taught he was a teenager, I cant stand it when guys at his age pop-around like they were 30 years younger than their actual age, that just becomes parody.
The reason he bends over I suspect, is to "push forward" the diafragma to ensure the quality.
The stageshow they put on is bombastic, the lighting, smoke, scenery...how many new bands puts on a show like that?? What more do you need to add?
Also, personaly I think that Diamonds and Rust for example is a song that suits Robs nodays more darker voice better than before.
But thats me...
Com on, Rob is 57, and thank God he dosnt strutt around like he taught he was a teenager, I cant stand it when guys at his age pop-around like they were 30 years younger than their actual age, that just becomes parody.
The reason he bends over I suspect, is to "push forward" the diafragma to ensure the quality.
The stageshow they put on is bombastic, the lighting, smoke, scenery...how many new bands puts on a show like that?? What more do you need to add?
Also, personaly I think that Diamonds and Rust for example is a song that suits Robs nodays more darker voice better than before.
But thats me...
So what if he's getting on a bit. There are plenty of other people his age or are more sprightly than him.
Rob needs to get his arse down to the gym and shed some pounds and do a bit of work on his stage persona. I can't understand why he just walks from side to side of the stage/sings to the floor.
There is more to a stage show then going on a stage and singing.
Don't get me wrong, Priest were great at Wembley and I really enjoyed the gig. But I think some people would think it was ok if Rob just lay in bed and sang [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paul.c from Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:36:52 PM)
paul.c wrote:
well i went to the glasgow show on monday night and overall it was good. a bit ruined by dickhead megadeath fans. quite frankly i dont know why they didnt just piss off after watching their crap show. another thing i noticed was rob halfords usall walking up and down the steps. it would not be so bad but he just looks like an old man maybee he has an eyesight problem or a co-ordination problem. personally i think he should just miss out the `walking up and down the steps routine` `so there`...
You are right there Senior Rocker,it all boils down to money.It is the same in Sport,people getting ripped of at stadiums.The fesivals are the worst places to go now.In my early festival days at the Donington Monsters Of Rock you took your own beer into the arena.At the Wembley Arena they were charging £3-80 for a beer which looked like p**s.
It looks like the small venue gigs are a big no for big bands like Priest,but i still have little hope they might do them very soon.It is me who is boring you now
Went to Wembley . A pretty good turnout and an enthusiastic crowd
Didn't see Testament, but enjoyed Megadeth, although it took them a couple of songs to warm up.
Priest were great. They started with Prohecy , one of the better songs from Nostradamus, ansd I have to say Rob's tin foil outfit was iinteresting and throughly 80's.
For the vast majority of the show Priest stuck to what they do best, good old heavy metal. Hell Patrol, Electric Eye, Painkiller, Rock Hard Ride Free, Breaking The Law, Metal Gods, Sinner etc. At one stage , Rob reduced the many people to gales of laughter when he was wheeled on in a chair by someone dressed up as a monk and sang The 4 Horseman. Strange, but you can always expect Rob to do something different!
Musically the band was as tight as a drum. Rob's voice isn't quite what it used to be, but he was still pretty good. I do have to say, I really don't like the way he lumbers around on stage. The continually walking from side to side of the stage or "singing to the floor" isn't a great way to interact with the crowd.
However that aside, it was a great show. Priest was far far better than in 2005 when I saw them in Hammersmith. Really enjoyed it.
Trouble is with the big venues if you want to be at the front you need to get there hours before hand and stay there. Or else you have to sit miles back.
Live After Death - Iron Maiden
Exit Stage Left - Rush
Unleashed In The East - Judas Priest
Strangers In The Night - UFO
Kiss Alive - Kiss
Live And Dangerous - Thin Lizzy
Made In Japan - Deep Purple
If You Want Blood You've Got It - AC/DC
Eagle Has Landed - Saxon
[metalmaz] Wednesday, January 07, 2009 12:30:43 PM
I did say ealier that Ian and Scott aren't given enough recognition, but they are certainly not a pivitoal or as important as Rob, KK and Glen.
Scott wasn't even in Priest in their so called "golden era"
Ian is certainly good bass player but he is not as central to Priest as other bass players ( like Steve Harris, Paul McCartney, Gene Simmons etc) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 3:58:31 PM)
adrianaec_88 wrote:
I don't think there's doubt about it, and all of us being Priest fans we already know, don't you think?
there's no need to create a thread about it, we all know that Priest wouldn't be what it is today without Ian or Scott
It is very apparent from looking an concert footage or Priest videos. The vast majority of the time the cameras show Rob, KK and Glen and very little of the rhythm section. They do not seem to get the recognition they deserve. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ATILA from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:43:10 AM)
ATILA wrote:
Hey!! I remember u that Ian Hill and Scott Travis have the same importance than the rest of band, cause a band is a band because all are stars, there´s not only a few more imortant than others, ALL ARE IMPORTANT, THEIR WORK ALSO IS HARD.
Who an earth would have sex with cretin like you. The only way you can get it (other than self pleasure) is forcing a little kid. Child molesting scum. You should be gassed [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by War Machine! from Thursday, December 25, 2008 2:22:05 AM)
War Machine! wrote:
She loves to swallow all my comme every drop that fuckin Whore!
spapad wrote:
Joy to the World!
May Peace Come to all My Metal Family!
Love to you All!
[metalmaz] Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:23:09 AM
Exactly. Most Jews, Hindus, Sikhs etc have no no problem at all over the Christmas festivities. As usual it's the liberals who think they are doing a good turn but they actually cause the problems [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:12:16 AM)
Head banger wrote:
funny, I get merry christmas wishes from all the employees that are muslim, sihk, hindu, jewish, budist. happy holidays be damed. I think you hit it on the head, some left wing probably christian goofball, came up with the idea that it was rude. sillyness
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!
metalmaz wrote:
Here's an insult to all you left wingers who don't want to upset muslims:-
Nostra aside, Priest are one of the greatest metal bands ever. I can't wait to see them in London in February. The tickets are on my desk. Megadeth and Testament on the bill as well.
I'm also seeing Metallica, Saxon and AC/DC next year. Fingers crossed that Kiss will also come to England !!
Easily the best post classic era Kiss. And the most heavy. Love that album [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Saturday, December 13, 2008 3:39:23 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
I thought Revenge was a pretty good Kiss album. Came out in the early 90's. The first song Unholy was awesome.
A sad fact of many Kiss's 80's albums. Gene was in Hollywood trying to become a movie star.
Apart from Creatures Of The Night, Lick It Up and Revenge, I'm not exactly bowled over from the post "classic era" Kiss. There are a few good songs on Psycho Circus, but for me the real Kiss is the likes of Destroyer, Hotter Than Hell, Love Gun etc.
And I hate the way that Gene constantly slags Ace. I mean this is from someone who has released one of the worst ever albums - Asshole [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:53:29 PM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Maybe he realizes that he's far too busy with his other endeavours to put forth the effort required.
Skyrider wrote:
you'd think gene wanted even more money...
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Rumor has it that Paul Stanley wants to do another KISS record and Gene doesn't. Grrrrrrrrr
Udo S. wrote:
KISS IS STILL GREAT - saw them this year in Stuttgart!
Classic song from one of the best live albums ever. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, December 01, 2008 12:26:32 PM)
Justin Kenny wrote:
At the risk of sounding like a broken record...the live rendering of this on the "Unleashed In The East" re-issue is absolutely SMOKIN'....gets me fired up each and every time I hear it.
Fat Dave Holland is still in prison [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by SkyRideR from Thursday, December 04, 2008 3:24:57 PM)
SkyRideR wrote:
so now slash and co were released from their record label & steven adler is in rehab, scott weiland released his second solo effort...
and axle is still lost...someone scratch his eyes out.
I do like A Matter Of Life And Death, but I think it was a huge mistake to play it all live. It is also worth remembering that the majoprity of people who go to rock concerts aren't die hard fans of the likes of Priest, Maiden, Metallica, AC/DC etc. They don't own every album, every single, every bloody bootleg etc
Fickle as it may seem they tend to want to hear a clutch of songs from the latest release and then the usual back catalogue. With the likes of Maiden and Priest they've got such a huge collection of great songs, it can still be a very varied concert mixing in the old and new stuff. I for one would be quite happy to go to a concert and not hear the likes of Run To The Hills, Breaking The Law, Ace Of Spades etc. There are far superior songs in all their back catalogues.
As for playing to the audience. At the London gig during AMOLAD, Bruce was leaping all over the place. But it just didn't have the usual atmosphere of a Maiden gig, because I don't think most of the audience new the songs. And Bruce has said in hindsight, it probably wasn't the right thing to do.
As for Priest playing to the crowd. When I saw them on the Angel Of Retribution tour, Ken and Glen were very animated (complete with their hilarious Spinal Tap, camp, little headbanging dance). Travis was also great to watch. But all Halford did was walk from side to side of the stage. It was like watching a game of tennis! I hope he is a bit more lively now and makes an effort to communicate with the crowd , rather than tediously lumbering from side to side. Granted his outfit weighs a few pounds, but it can't be denied he is fat. Go on a diet Rob and run around a bit more on stage!
Now then, if "America" likes music has nothing whatsoever to do with me. Were you to know me, you'd know that I travel quite a bit internationally and simply know what I like. Were you sad when "Mama Afrika" died? I was as were a few here. She was an Icon. Vinicius de Moraes in Brazil. Tom Jobim. Had GREAT influence in the world! USA (not America in the greater sense of the word) has impact on sales but not longevity. New Kids? Sure, pop crap. Did they last? No. Did they have a world tour, I would argue that they did but I am glad to say I have no idea!
Maiden. I have some 20 bootlegs. They BOMBED here in the US on the ("Matter of Life") tour because they didn't play much to the audience! They pushed their new album that most of us thought was mediocre at best. I could even quote articles where they all but apologized for having played all of their new crap to an audience who wanted some old stuff. Thus, the last tour they named many a time to "make up" for the mistake of the previous tour. Certain members even called us "outdated" for not embracing their new material. Well, so be it. Lump me in that group. Look at their last album. I had to blow dust off of it but the shortest song is the first one: 4:17? First song at that?!? You must be kidding if you think that this isn't an overblown mess of an album. Name me one song and I'll try to listen to it again. I've already stated my reasons for my discarding it as nonsense. TEMPO and lack thereof. They keep the third guitar (honorable, I suppose) but there is almost a battle for guitar leads if ANY even exist in the album.
I'll gladly accept any song that you'd recommend apart from Rainmaker that I already said I liked in ANY of the Maiden albums I mean that. Sadly, I could find none in any album since Fear and even that was a big let down to me (and you as well, obviously). ONE song might have been decent. I forget. To compare anything new to old Maiden is nothing short of blasphemy IMO. So, in the oldest sense of the phrase, I still say: UP THE (old) IRONS! Just give me some damn METAL!
(Quoting Message by metalmaz from Friday, December 12, 2008 6:04:16 PM)
metalmaz wrote:
Well it would be dull if we all liked the same wouldn't it.
I agree Fear Of The Dark is pants (although not as much as Nostraboreus).
I do like your post about America not taking to their music. So if something sells in America it's a measure of how good an album is. You must be a big fan of New Kids On The Block
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! I couldn't be more opposed. Maiden has gotten BETTER?! AAARGH!! I was the biggest diehard fan you could imagine! Look at my profile from twenty years ago and say it isn't true. I was onstage with them FFS! However, since Fear of the Dark they have lost all credit with me (ironically the concert I was onstage with them was THAT one).
Last album from IM was a nightmare. Listened to it ONCE and threw it into a corner. Three guitars? That is something out of Spinal Tap. Talk about "pompous!" Each song is like 10 minutes long and changes tempo so often that it almost seems like a gimmick to them. They then wonder why the USA never "took" to their new album.
Bruce rejoining the band and "Rainmaker" has been their only redeeming song in all the years since Fear, IMO. Priest is so far beyond them it isn't funny.
To each their own but PLEASE, stop with that "NostraBOREus" business. Yeah, we got it the first time. Why not post that droll humor on the Maiden site. Better yet, why don't I go there and post why I don't like their (ahem) music. Oh yeah, they charge to post....
metalmaz wrote:
I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.
Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era." They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this.
Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album"
And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard. They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is an awesome drummer" and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP.
NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing .
Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes.
How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.
Cobras-Aura wrote:
I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.
Well it would be dull if we all liked the same wouldn't it.
I agree Fear Of The Dark is pants (although not as much as Nostraboreus).
I do like your post about America not taking to their music. So if something sells in America it's a measure of how good an album is. You must be a big fan of New Kids On The Block
OMG! I couldn't be more opposed. Maiden has gotten BETTER?! AAARGH!! I was the biggest diehard fan you could imagine! Look at my profile from twenty years ago and say it isn't true. I was onstage with them FFS! However, since Fear of the Dark they have lost all credit with me (ironically the concert I was onstage with them was THAT one).
Last album from IM was a nightmare. Listened to it ONCE and threw it into a corner. Three guitars? That is something out of Spinal Tap. Talk about "pompous!" Each song is like 10 minutes long and changes tempo so often that it almost seems like a gimmick to them. They then wonder why the USA never "took" to their new album.
Bruce rejoining the band and "Rainmaker" has been their only redeeming song in all the years since Fear, IMO. Priest is so far beyond them it isn't funny.
To each their own but PLEASE, stop with that "NostraBOREus" business. Yeah, we got it the first time. Why not post that droll humor on the Maiden site. Better yet, why don't I go there and post why I don't like their (ahem) music. Oh yeah, they charge to post....
metalmaz wrote:
I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.
Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era." They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this.
Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album"
And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard. They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is an awesome drummer" and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP.
NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing .
Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes.
How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.
Cobras-Aura wrote:
I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.
I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.
Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era." They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this.
Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album"
And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard. They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is an awesome drummer" and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP.
NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing .
Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes.
How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.
I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.
Fingers crossed that bloody commonsense prevails and they don't do all of NostraBOREus live.. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Sad Wings NYC from Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:55:06 PM)
Sad Wings NYC wrote:
HELL YEH ! Hopefully with a full orchestra and a huge amazing stage show.Being in the NYC area this could happen in the most unlikely of places.
In a recent article in a local newspaper, Halford was interviewed,and Carnegie Hall and the Metropolitan Opera House were mentioned.
London, 3rd December 2009 – Due to unforeseen circumstances Judas Priest have revised their 2009 tour of the UK as follows. The show at the Nottingham Arena has been cancelled, with existing ticket holders being offered a pair of tickets to either Sheffield Arena 13th February or Birmingham LG Arena, 14th February shows. Furthermore, their Manchester show on 17th February has changed to the Apollo Theatre – Standing tickets are valid for the same date for this new show, seated tickets will need to be exchanged at point of purchase. Metal veterans Megadeth and Testament will support the forthcoming dates.
,So one Priest show in Nottingham is cancelled and the show in Manchester has been moved to a smaller venue.
Unforseen circumstances obviously means poor sales..
[metalmaz] Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:15:36 AM
Or islamic democracy
Hang on what's that?
this springs to mind
The cow being an "infidel" of course [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:39:40 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Lol... Jimmy!
(They could've waited a month or so, and called it "Canadian Democracy" ... same difference right about now...)
Justin Kenny wrote:
So...it's finally out there, eh? After...HOW many years?? Me thinks Axl Rose has gone to the "Tom Scholz School For Album Manufacturing..." that is...give 'em a new album every decade or so (don't get me wrong, I love Boston's music just fine).
"Chinese Democracy," eh? Hmm...interesting title. I don't know about you all...but I like Chinese food when I'm REALLY in the mood for it....can't help but wonder if "Chinese Democracy" works the same way....
....for that matter, after an hour or so from listening to it...do you end up 'hungry' again and listen to something more substantive?? o_O
Yes. "Somewhere Over The Rainbow." Most played song on my iPod. Judy rocked [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:28:17 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
You're a fan of Judy too? Oh my stars and garters! Happy happy joy joy!
[metalmaz] Saturday, November 29, 2008 10:08:26 AM
So you only know about things that were aroung when you were old enough to to remember them?
You must be great at history.
Never heard of World War 2 , Kennedy, Shakespeare, history of aviation etc. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paperflowers from Friday, November 28, 2008 9:55:49 PM)
paperflowers wrote:
I wasn't around before the earth's crust cooled
metalmaz wrote:
Nice to hear that you're so up to date on the world of music.
Did you know that The Beatles have split up?
paperflowers wrote:
BTW, I had no idea GNR had a new album out. I've been dodging these threads because I thought they were about politics
I don't know....that ABBA photo raises some interesting questions like: is that ONE piece of foil? Look at the way it is wrapped, I think it is!
The dark haired girl also seems to have gone to the same hair stylist as KK!
spapad wrote:
I'm sorry Metalmaz, but my little OCD self just has to do this!
Hummmmmmnnnnnn? Would I rather look at and listen to this?
Or by some weird affliction of love for the band Judas Priest, would I rather look at and listen to this!
As for myself, the choice is clear!(Quoting Message by metalmaz from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 2:17:40 PM)
I created this thread for a laugh, somebody else called it meaningless. I think it has just as much relevance as any other thread on the site. Maybe it is meaningless but no more so than any of the other topics of discussion. If this thread and all the other stupid threads disappeared the site would cease to exist. At the very least it would become extremely boring.
Head banger wrote:
so, if its meaningless, why are you here?
jimmyjames wrote:
Because if it wasn't for meaningless threads this site wouldn't exist.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
How so? I think you created this thread in response to the thread about Nostradamus Everyday.
jimmyjames wrote:
It is.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Sometimes you have to wonder...is it really necessary to create meaningless thread after meaningless thread?
jimmyjames wrote:
Well it's been out one day so far and I've listened to it once, 159 days to go before I become a psycho.
If you're going to allude to people being mentally or physically handicapped, it helps if you spell mentally, physically and handicapped correctly. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, November 24, 2008 7:10:07 AM)
Head banger wrote:
perhaps new threads are to the mentaly handicaped what wheelchairs are to the physicaly handicaped?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Sometimes you have to wonder...is it really necessary to create meaningless thread after meaningless thread?
jimmyjames wrote:
Well it's been out one day so far and I've listened to it once, 159 days to go before I become a psycho.
I mean I hardly know anyone in the Top 40 single charts, but I did know that Slash wasn't on the latest GunsN' Roses album and Chinese Democracy isn't a metal band! Useful eh?! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, November 24, 2008 3:01:57 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I can assure you that I am in that category, my friend.
metalmaz wrote:
Well at least there is someone who is less "with it" than me
As of today November 24, I have played ABBA'S Greatest HITS every single day at least once! There have also been numerous days of double or triple plays! ABBA you have created a masterpiece of work that I can not put down. Everyday I look forward to sitting down and relaxing with a good listen to ABBA's Greatest Hits.
Sadly you will never reunite so I will have to make do with going to see the stage show and I will watch the movie, with Pierce Brosnan and Meryl Streep - such great look alikes. Pirece looks so like Benny it's scary.
Anyway I have to say that since playing ABBA's Greatest Hits I haven't killed anybody and a deep hole in my life has been filled.
Thank you Benny, Frida, Bijorn and Agnetha. You are perfect
Same for me. It's probably in my bottom 3 Halford fronted Priest albums. Some good songs, but I find most of it boring. And I'm glad I didn't waste my money on the delux version . I downloaded it from iTunes and after hearing it, I didn't bother to buy any other version
Er I think it's a very negative thing. To revolve your life around a bunch of musicians no matter how great they are, is actually quite sad and disturbing and is dangerously obsessive. I think he actually needs counselling.
I feel quite sorry for him in a way. He can't have any family, friends/social life, job etc. His whole existance is a rock band. Very sad indeed.
thats a matter of opinion in my opinion .the way i see it his life revoles around priest.which is a very positive thing
metalmaz wrote:
He needs to get a fucking life
hellrider 31038 wrote:
ive got 4 words DEFENDER OF THE FAITH imagine all the people he got interested in listening to the album and buying it and becoming fans.totally awesome.now he just needs a studded vest and some wristbands.HELL YEAH
jimmyjames wrote:
How the hell does anyone find the time to listen to Nostradamus every day? It's nearly two hours long. Who can devote 1/12 of every day to listening to the same cd? I read about that guy who became a z grade celebrity in his area for listening to it every day since it came out, two words crossed my mind, fucking loser.
He needs to get a fucking life [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:09:41 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
ive got 4 words DEFENDER OF THE FAITH imagine all the people he got interested in listening to the album and buying it and becoming fans.totally awesome.now he just needs a studded vest and some wristbands.HELL YEAH
jimmyjames wrote:
How the hell does anyone find the time to listen to Nostradamus every day? It's nearly two hours long. Who can devote 1/12 of every day to listening to the same cd? I read about that guy who became a z grade celebrity in his area for listening to it every day since it came out, two words crossed my mind, fucking loser.
How the hell does anyone find the time to listen to Nostradamus every day? It's nearly two hours long. Who can devote 1/12 of every day to listening to the same cd? I read about that guy who became a z grade celebrity in his area for listening to it every day since it came out, two words crossed my mind, fucking loser.
As far as the Halford fronted Priest albums, it's in my bottom 3. Rocka Rolla is my least favourite. Ram It Down and Nostraboreus are better, but not by much.
Yes I've tried to get into it and played it numerous times. There are 3 very good songs, but the rest is boring, dull, pompous, drivel.
I love Priest ,but they've made a cock up with this one.
Well let's hope that true. With any luck only a few from NOSTRABOREUS when I see them in England in February. Plenty of metal and not Andrew Lloyd Webber.
Apparently they're getting their current tour out of the way then planning on doing Nostra as a full stage show later, they're wanting lots of planning time to create one awesome show, thats what I've heard anyway. Hope its true and good luck to 'em. I hope they kick ass. Personaly I can't wait.
Keyd wrote:
After seeing the "classsics" many times I would definitely most want to see Nostradamus performed in it's entirety. There will probably be quite a few more tours where they can play the "favorites". It would be great to see the whole album plus an encore (not the usual but possibly "Painkiller" or maybe a few more obscure songs). The last setlist was quite cool and "Prophecy" was really great but it made me want to see more of the new album and see it soon, live.
Originally I thought this was the plan for the band to play the entire album on tour. Does anyone know if this is still going to happen? Possibly 2009? Maybe they are just letting the listeners absorb the material because it is so complex. Does anyone have any more info about this? Obviously I am really enjoying the new album.
Edited at: Monday, September 08, 2008 3:59:45 AM Edited at: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:00:34 AM
I did think Priest Live! would be more popular. It's got a far more commerical feel. But when I listen to it, I keep thuinking of the Fuel For Lfe Tour and KK's perm and shades [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Saturday, October 11, 2008 4:09:40 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
I have an AWESOME live bootleg from Hammersmith odeon u might like....from '81...it roars
I was listening to Turbo yesterday and I can't understand why it has so much criticism. It's not my favourite Priest album, but I think there are some bloody great songs on.
Turbo, Out In The Cold, rock You All Around The World, Reckless, Private Property etc. Parental Guidance isn't that good, but on the whole it's a very strong album.
My guess is it's because it's quite commercial and uses (horror) guitar synth. Maiden had much the same critisism when they use them (also to great affect on Somewhere In Time and Seventh Son). A lot of metal heads though using synths was selling out.
In my opinion Turbo is a great album . I certainly prefer it to Ram It Down which was a much heavier album
[metalmaz] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:14:09 PM
You really are thick aren't you. Are the rest of your family as stupid as you are?
Oh no, there are threads about Led Zeppelin. Kiss, Van Halen, Metallica and other bands as well.
Perhaps you think Priest is the ONLY subject we should discuss. Nothing else at all. Do you think EVERY single thread that doesn't mention Priesat shoud be closed.
It is stunning (and sad) that people are so narrow minded.
I know you can't help being stupid. But you can help being narrow minded.
But you are funny as well. Post some more. Make us laugh
Forgive me if I`m mistaken but what the F@#k are we discussing maiden when It`s purely obvious that Judas Priest rule!!!!! Mind you, if you want to discuss maiden, F@#K OFF to their website!!!!!! Edited at: Thursday, October 02, 2008 2:21:18 AM
[metalmaz] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:26:51 AM
Well you love Priest and Halford is gay.
Bet you're a fudgepacker yourself you cretin. People who berate gays often are.
What a sad little life you have a closet gay who only ever listens to Judas Priest.
You should come out of the closet. Being gay is not a sin. And you should also expand your horizens as well. I love Priest, but I could never listen to only one band .
So do you think that we should only discuss Priest on this website? How stupid is that
There are threads about Kiss, Metallica, Led Zeppelin as well. How shocking. You must be mortified.
How much do you love Iron Maiden? Do you look at pictures of Steve Harris when you masturbate?
hellion1969 wrote:
Hey jimmy james! GO F$#K YOURSELF!!!!!!! And mind you dick, I actually love maiden! I was probably listening to maiden well and truly before you were a twinkle in your mothers eye! So I reiterate, this is a priest website, not f#$king maidens! Edited at: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 4:26:03 AM
[metalmaz] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:01:16 AM
Well I've tried so hard to like it. But quite frankly to me, it's the worst ever album with Halford on vocals.
The vast majority is turgid, pompous, overblown and boring. What has happened to one of the greatest metal bands ever? They've turned into Andrew Llloyd Webber. A sad demise indeed.
Halford solo material is far superior.
No doubt the "Priest nazis" will start whinging "You're not a true fan" and all that crap.
I will be going to see them when they play England next year, because I still love them. (But not Nostradamus)
Thank you. I totally agree. Most of Nostraboreus is plain dull. Certainly the worst album with Halford on vocals [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Tuesday, October 07, 2008 11:55:50 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
no.i want to hear SOME REAL JUDAS PRIEST HEAVY METAL.no offence.
Do you all think that JP gets upset if they don't sell out in North America as opposed to Japan/South America?
They were in Winnipeg, and they did not sell out as opposed to Iron Maiden which sold out. I wonder if that means anything in the greater scheme of things. I like both bands. I am a little bit more of a JP fan than IM, in the sense that I listen to more JP on my MP3 player.
I also think that JP music is better to cover to get a crowd pumped. I am just waiting For Kanye West or P-Diddy to re work JP's Breaking the Law/YGATC.
Highway Star and Flight Of The Rat - Deep Purple
Revelations and Hallowed Be Thy Name - Iron Maiden
Electric Eye - Screaming For Vengeance - Priest
Gimmie Shelter Rolling Stones
For Those About to Rock - AC/DC
War Pigs and Die Young- Black Sabbath
Kashmir and Immigrant Song - Led Zeppelin
Overkill and Bomber- Motorhead
Space Station No 9- Montrose
Cold As Ice - Foreigner
Burning Times and Burnt Offerings - Iced Earth
Wheel In The Sky -Journey
Cold Gin - Kiss
Janie's Got A Gun - Aerosmith
Vodoo Chile - Hendrix
Washington Is Next -Megadeth
Fade To Black- Metallica
Kill The King - Rainbow
747 Strangers In The Night and Lionheart- Saxon
Jailbreak - thin Lizzy
Throw Down The Sword- Wishbone Ash
Rock You Like A Hurricane- Scorpions
Dead or Alive and Eruption - Van Halen
Jacobs Ladder - Rush
Dead Babies -Alice Cooper
Bad Company - Bad Company
POWERSLAVE IS A CRACKING ALBUM. PIECE OF MIND, NUMBER OF THE BEAST, SEVENTH SON OF A SEVENTH SON AND BRAVE NEW WORLD ARE ALSO CRACKING.
IN FACT YOU CAN'T GO WRONG WITH A MAIDEN ALBUM [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by originofstorms from Saturday, September 06, 2008 8:00:13 PM)
originofstorms wrote:
Jugulator- THE PRIEST!
Powerslave - 1st Maiden album i got...
Baptizm of Fire- Glenn Tipton (should arrive in the mail soon... its on amazon for 41 cents used!)
The music world/entertainment industry has (on the whole) been more tolerant/accepting of gays and lesbians than many other areas.
However, it stil seems that in metal/rock it is till not acceptable to many and apart from Rob, there are very few openly gay males in metal. And look how long it took him to come out. And with the ignorant attitude of so many, who can blame him?
Is it because metal is still seen as a matcho male thing?
As other forum members have said, it's sandwiched between 2 classic albums, so it's overlooked. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Metal god/Electric eye! from Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:53:31 PM)
Metal god/Electric eye! wrote:
DONT FORGET HHOT ROCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
Sandwiched between British Steel and Scream'n, what album wouldn't be so over-looked (other than if maybe Painkiller was released in '81; then Scream'n would have been a "disappointment").
POE is a great album in and of itself. Every song has it's own groove and the rocker's rock!
A few of my faves are:
Desert Plains
You Say Yes
Don't Go
Desert Plains
and yes...
Troubleshooter
I really like them all!!!
I Just Called To Say I Love You - Stevie Wonder
True - Spanadau Ballet
Dock Of The Bay - Otis Redding
Anything by Neil Young - I hate his whiiney, flat voice.
Do You Really Want To Hurt Me - Culture Club
Careless Whiper- George Michael
That remark about the audience was tongue in cheek anyway. I'm not a fan of Nostrdamus -so I obviously wouldn't wanna here it all live.
AMOLAD in my opinion one of Maiden's best ever releases, but there is no way I'm forcing myself to like it. However, I still think they shouldn't have played it all during that tour.
With any new album, I think half a dozen at the most and then a back catalogue selecttion [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Thursday, August 21, 2008 4:45:26 PM)
Where AmI wrote:
I don't know if playing the whole Nostradamus is the right thing to do either, but it's up to them. I think it's Judas Priest who see how many people show up at their shows every time they play, so they would know better than me or any other member of this minority that roams the boards if playing Nostradamus is the right thing to do.
Perhaps a one time play in the UK would be sufficient? The home crowd is always harder to please but can you imagine how much a recording of such a rare event would go for on Ebay?Think about it.
Also, if Maiden's AMOLAD is their best album, playing it is not a mistake. I feel you are forcing yourself to like AMOLAD. Perhaps analyzing Iron Maiden is best left for the Iron Maiden website. I've been listening to Priest and Maiden for over 2 decades and apart from being 2 english bands, I fail to see why one has to be compared against the other continuously.
As for Priest, Nostradamus is a tough subject to write songs about without sounding tacky and Priest pulled it off quite nicely. Who's to say what you should like and what you shouldn't like, metalmaz? And the same goes: who's to say the audience would actually like it played live and NOT walk out or go to sleep.
metalmaz wrote:
So how would you feel about Priest playing the whole of Nostradamus lve?
I think it would be a massive mistake. I love Priest, but I really don't like Nostradamus and it's not for want of trying.
Let's face it the Priest forum only makes up a very small precentage of the audience at gigs. And quite honestly many non forum members would walk out or go to sleep
Iron Maiden played the whole of A Matter Of Life And Death when they toured to promote that album. In my opinion it was a big mistake (and I think A Matter Of Life And Death is one of Maiden's best ever albums). And the ironic thing is Halford got the arse with Iron Maiden and said Priest had planned to do a concept album and play the whole of it on tour.
I hate vs threads because each band is unique in their own way. I actually love both of these bands equally for much different reasons so I will chime in here. I LOVE the guitars in Priest, I love the look and the feel of the band. I know Rob has great screams but for me it is the angst and melodic tones that capture my attention most. I have met the guys a couple times and they have been gracious gentlemen. I know they love America. Glenn's guitar playing mesmerizes me.
My main reason for loving Maiden is Steve Harris. His songwriting and bass really grab my attention here. Bruce is a solid singer who has so much energy live - he is pure joy to watch on stage. His off stage activities are also quite impressive, too impressive to not like the guy. I could not tell you if they are gracious to their fans as I have never met them . From what I understand they do not love the United States as much as Priest does. Maiden seem to have a cult like following - sort of like the Grateful Dead.
Both bands have intelligent lyrics. I truly appreciate that. They all have great musicians, just different styles.
** Special note: I admire Glenn Tipton and Steve Harris very much.
So, there is my comparison. Not very technical but it is what I see and how I feel. Love them both for MUCH different reasons.
So how would you feel about Priest playing the whole of Nostradamus lve?
I think it would be a massive mistake. I love Priest, but I really don't like Nostradamus and it's not for want of trying.
Let's face it the Priest forum only makes up a very small precentage of the audience at gigs. And quite honestly many non forum members would walk out or go to sleep
Iron Maiden played the whole of A Matter Of Life And Death when they toured to promote that album. In my opinion it was a big mistake (and I think A Matter Of Life And Death is one of Maiden's best ever albums). And the ironic thing is Halford got the arse with Iron Maiden and said Priest had planned to do a concept album and play the whole of it on tour.
You know, those so called classics that get played to death on radio stations, pubs, parties etc.
Mine are:-
Hotel California - The Eagles
Wonderful Tonight -Eric Clapton
Money For Nothing - Dire Straits
Sultans Of Swing- Dire Straits
Lets Dance- David Bowie
China In Your Hand- T'Pau
Get Back -The Beatles
That song .." I'll Wait" sucks the big studded dildo so bad that everytime it came on the radio i would reach from the backseat of someone elses car just to turn the station.
I've tried so hard to get into it, but I can't. There are a handfull of good songs, like War and the title track, but on the whole I think it's overblown and boring.
Yes, I saw them do that tour in England. Whilst AMOLAD is an excellent album, it was a mistake to pay it all live. It went down ok, but not great [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Angry-Rocker from Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:02:16 PM)
Angry-Rocker wrote:
That's why 'Priest are not immediately doing the new album all live. Iron Maiden did their entire album live right after it was released, so it ain't a surprised that fans were scratching their heads. Instead, 'Priest are doing a cool Priest Feast tour to get the fans reinterested into 'Priest and to listen to their new album, and are giving fans a total of 6 months to get to know the new album. By January next year, I'm sure a lot of people will largely know the new album, giving way for them to rock out to the songs when the whole thing is played live.
I think half the audience would walk out or go to sleep anyway.
On a serious note, I've never been in favour of it by any bands. I don't like Nostradamus at all, but even if I did, it would be a mistake to play all of it.
I reckon bands touring with new albums should play around 5 songs from it and then play other material
Why does every time a new album come out, people have to compare it to previous material, They wrote this to be NEW not OLD, Listen, enjoy and move on.
That's a real shame. It was the same last year when I went to see Heaven And Hell in London. I think some of it may have had to do with not being able to use the "Black Sabbath" name, but just the same it was a piss poor turn out. Fantastic gig as well.
What is pissing me off right now, is that tickets aren't really selling for J.P's winnipeg show.
There are still floor seats and the show is only a couple weeks away.
Looks like it may be a pretty poor turn out for such a great metal band.
I thought winnipeg loved metal.
The more I listen, the less I like it. I've tried so hard to get into it.
There are some very good songs there, but overall I'm very let down.
This album seems to have caused a real split with Priest fans. There is the usual "If you don't like it you're stuipd and you're not a Priest fan" countered with "If you like this pile of shit you must have brain damage"
I don't like it, but I respect those of you who do.
Most of Nostradamus
Liberals
The British Government
Rap
Petrol prices
Soap operas
Scum who fly planes into buildings, slaughter innocent commuters and other despicable acts and have the nerve to call themselves "muslims"
Reality TV
Egg white
People who let their dogs shit in public areas and don't clear it up
Another Priest stalinist who think's it's a crime against humanity not to follow the crowd and have a different opinion [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Friday, July 04, 2008 12:32:59 AM)
Where AmI wrote:
Buy Nostradamus cheap from "the original metallian":
he needs money for a Rush tattoo on his ass. (Quoting Message by Skinwalker from Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:28:23 PM)
Skinwalker wrote:
A fear that a lot of artists have is that once they have gotten success at a certain level if they grow, change, or do something different, their fans will leave them, hate them, and/or crucify them. Judas Priest are ending up on the recieving end of that judging by what I have read in the forums. Judas Priest are always willing to try something different. They can't give you another British Steel, another Screaming For Vengeance, or even another Painkiller. As for Nostradamus, I haven't listened to the whole album, but I liked what I have heard so far.
Perhaps Judas Priest should release an EP for those people with short attention spans that think Nostradamus is too long. Maybe 4-5 songs would be better, but then the complaint would probably be that it's too short. I'm guessing that I'm not the only one that can't get enough Priest material... the longer the better. And what a great deal Nostradamus is... essentially two albums for the price of one.
Well I've listened to Nostradamus a lot and I'm afraid just can't get into it at all.
I had doubts when I heard it was going to be a concept albums and sad to say my full fears have been realised
Firstly it's FAR TOO LONG. It's in need of serious editing. On the whole it's a mistake to let musicians produce their albums. The Jimny Pages of the world can get away with it, but most groups can't.. Possibly it's an ego thing- band members insisting that their particular song should be included. This album needed a producer (such as Tom) who could rack the whip and chuck out the songs that frankly just don't hack it.
It's samey. Most of the time, I'm hard pushed telling one song from another. It's almost like listening to a metal Andrew Llloyd Webber.
Glen And KK are in good form and Halford is vocally stronger than on Angel Of Retribution. But Hill may have well not have been there. He's been mixed so far down he may has well not have bothered playing. And what the hell have they done with the brilliant Travis. From the sounds of it, they've used a fucking drum machine.
There are a few very good songs on Nostradamus. But I have to say I'm let down. After hearing this, I just stick on Stained Class, Painkiller, Screaming For Vengeance , Sad Wings, British Steel etc. That's what Priest are about.
I'm all for groups progressing. I certainly don't expect them to stick to the same format as British Steel. I really like Angel Of Retribution and even Lochness has grown on me.
And I'm not stuck in the past. Look how brilliantly Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Megadeth, Saxon and others have matured. Iron Maiden's BMW and AMOLAD are amongst their best. I also love United Abominations and The System Has Failed. I think the same about Saxon - Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum is probably their best music to date. Thye've all progressed, but haven't lost their identity like Priest have with this release.
I will no doubt get a bollocking for this - people have been flamed by some (not all) members of this forum for being so wicked and disloyal for daring to post negative comments. Sadly it seems that only being pro is allowed.
On the whole I agree. I don't exactly hate Nostradamus; there are a handfull of good songs, but I have to say that I'm very let down by it. There's no edge, it's samey, it's far too long. I 'm sure that Scott isn't playing on it, they've used a drum machine
I'm all for groups progressing. I certainly don't expect them to stick to the same format as British Steel. I really like Angel Of Retribution and even Lochness has grown on me.
As you say Iron Maiden's BMW and AMOLAD are amongst their best. I also love United Abominations and The System Has Failed. I think the same about Saxon - Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum is probably their best music to date. Thye've all progressed, but haven't lost their identity like Priest have with this release.
You will get a bollocking for your post - people have been flamed by some (not all) members of this forum for being so wicked and disloyal for daring to post negative comments. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by The original Metallian from Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:30:41 AM)
The original Metallian wrote:
Hi, everybody -
I haven't posted anything anywhere in so many years...the last time was when Halford was roaming around with Two and I used to post on the Two boards under my nickname "metallian" (hence my new name here).
What drove me to post again after so many years is the need to vent after listening to Nostradamus.
What the f**k where they thinking??? I have SO many feelings about this album, none of them are positive: anger, frustration, dissapointment. I HATE Nostradamus with all my guts. I think it is an insult to the fans. I am 38 years old, I have been listening to metal since I was 8. I have Judas' cross tattooed on my right arm, so I am not exactly a casual fan. I am no "head banger-or-die" either - I love Dream Theater, Queensryche, Maiden and I also like Queen, Pink Floyd, old school jazz (Charlie Parker, Marsalis, Satchmo, West Montgomery, etc). So, all labels apart for us who dislike the album, I think it is horrible. When I want Priest, I want Priest. This is not Priest. I love Painkiller, but I also like Turbo or Point of Entry. Every single previous album was Priest. This is crap.
I have burned myself a Nostradamus compilation with the stuff that I like and I came up with an 8 song, 47 minutes album. I will sell the CD as soon as I can, in order to recoup something out of it (in a couple of months the word will be out and the CD will cost $ 0.99). This will be the first time I don't own a Priest album (I even have bootlegs)
I just don't understand! You don't need to completely change your style and thow your escence away in order to make a conceptual album. What's more, I don't recall any band doing that (Queensryche's OM, Dream Theater's Metropolis 2, Gamma Ray's Land of the Free - they all stuck to their guns). Sme bands some have even released the best albums in their careers when they went for the conceptual. It is not that Judas' members are old either. Maiden's Matter of Life and death (another conceptual, BTW) was their best album since 1988. Megadeth's last 2 are their best since Countdown to extinction.
Where I say Deep Purple were metal?I've cut and pasted the original post for your benefit and I've made it nice and big, since you seem to be suffering from myopia
The trouble is the the definition of what type of music Rock N Roll is has changed,
In the 50's the like of Elvis, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis were regarded as rock and roll. Then the Beatles (who were more pop orientatated in the early days). The Stones/Kinks/Animals were more rock/blues orientated.
For me the likes of rock began with Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Rush. Punk then took over for a short period. Then what is regarded as metal began with the likes of Priest and Maiden.
No I can't see it. Please can you tell me where I said Zep and Purple were metal? Also where did I say Rush were metal?
However, I've said Priest and Maiden are metal.
You need to learn to read my friend. Or go to an opticians
Don't get me wrong, I love Led Zep, but they are rock, not metal. How the heck can a band with a ton of folk songs be considered metal? I think you're listening to Stairway To Heaven and a Whole Lotta Love too much, my friend. Perhaps you should listen through their whole catalogue? Travelling Riverside Blues? Very metal indeed. How about Friends? Bron-Yr-Aur? Or maybe I'm Gonna Crawl? Better yet, there's Carouselambra? There's a reallllllllll metal song for ya.
Deep Purple also isn't metal. If so, you might as well lump Kiss and Aerosmith in there too. All 3 rock acts are really damn close, but not quite there. Early Sabbath is definitely metal. That being said, DP only had two cds that could be considered metal - Machine Head and Perfect Strangers. I bet if you asked Ian Gillen if he thought the Purple were metal, he'd probably order you and him a good stiff drink and tell you they're a rock band. Kiss is arguably the closest out of Purple, Aerosmith and Kiss. Their sound is very crunchy and agressive. Aerosmith is the least metal of the 3 easily. I won't even go into why, since it should be evident from listening to their music. Rush isn't metal either for that matter. Great progressive rock band, but if you want a prog artist that sounds metal, look to King Diamond/Mercyful Fate and Dream Theater. I can keep going on, and write a book about the difference...but I don't want to bore the shit out of everyone either.
metalmaz wrote:
The trouble is the the definition of what type of music Rock N Roll is has changed,
In the 50's the like of Elvis, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis were regarded as rock and roll. Then the Beatles (who were more pop orientatated in the early days). The Stones/Kinks/Animals were more rock/blues orientated.
For me the likes of rock began with Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Rush. Punk then took over for a short period. Then what is regarded as metal began with the likes of Priest and Maiden.
But with regards to the Rock and Rol Hall Of Fame, it embraces all types of music.
Perhaps a separate rock/metal hall of fame should be set up.
Edited at: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:09:49 AM Edited at: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 11:13:17 AM
The trouble is the the definition of what type of music Rock N Roll is has changed,
In the 50's the like of Elvis, Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis were regarded as rock and roll. Then the Beatles (who were more pop orientatated in the early days). The Stones/Kinks/Animals were more rock/blues orientated.
For me the likes of rock began with Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Rush. Punk then took over for a short period. Then what is regarded as metal began with the likes of Priest and Maiden.
But with regards to the Rock and Rol Hall Of Fame, it embraces all types of music.
Perhaps a separate rock/metal hall of fame should be set up.
Headbanger- the Mugable/Hitler remark wasn't directed as you, the set up of this forum isn't that great, ans doesn't enable you to multi quote in a straight forward manner. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 30, 2008 5:32:14 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I made no coment on hittler or mugabe. I think if mugabe could, he might be as bad as hitler, but its the wrong thread. both are or were shitheads
I dont know if your a casual fan or not, I made a general coment, in reply to someone else. I observed that there are rabid fans who would say its their best work if rob played the drums, Ian sang, kk played a tamborine... me, its ok, not great. Its what they wanted. thats why I like them.
metalmaz wrote:
So because I don't like Nostradamus I'm a casual fan then?
I never said they've "lost their way." I don't expect them to stay the same. Maiden are making the best music ever 25 years on. So are Megadeth and Saxon. But just becaue I don't stick my nose up Priest's arse and say all their releases are the best music ever , doesn't mean I don't love them. And I say the same about many other bands I love such as Maiden, Saxon, Rush etc. They've all released sub standard albums. And the ones I may think as sub standard, other people like. I respect their beliefs, even if I don't agree with them
What I was trying to highlight is the idiots who tore into the fans who made negative remarks about Nostradamus. I was talking about them and not Priest fans. But you're not intelligent enought to work that out .
The point about Mugabe (tongue in cheek) was a reaction to the venom of some of the people who really laid into them.
However if you think that that Mugabe quip makes me worse than Hitler, you can't think Hitler is that bad? Have you actually met any Jews or seen some of the programmes about the death camps. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
I agree. Thats probably the biggest priest success, and their biggest failure, the variety. the rabid die hard fan will buy anything they do. the casual fan, isnt guaranteed to like everything. someone like me, a "solid" fan, who loves the band, will buy most things they put out, but not everything.
I dont like Rocka rolla. lots of fans dont like turbo, but to me, the fact that they branch out, grow and evolve is why I like them the most.
they didnt change to folow a trend, or to make money, they changed because they wanted to.
Bullet- wrote:
Here's the thing. Judas Priest has made albums that were a product of what they were experiencing and writing at the time. Each album is distinctly different from all their previous work. It can be frustrating as a fan and some lose interest with the new directions. I personally didn't like the albums that were written with a specific market in mind (Point of Entry for the US and Turbo for pop metal). The thing is, they challenge their fans to broaden their thinking on what metal is and where it can go. People can criticize the Nostradamus all they like. I've heard people say it's too long, that it's boring, that the production and sound are sub par. All of these things are valid for a band whose objective was to sell as many albums as possible. I'm guessing that all of the objections raised on this board and others were raised inside Epic records before release. It looks like the band got their way this time because of their success in the past.
So we have Nostradamus, a bold new direction for the band. Like always, some fans will hate it and some will love it. The ones who love it will defend it like it was one of their children. I personally love the album and admire the band for taking a risk where they could have easily churned out another Painkiller or Angel and cashed cheques. For those that don't like the album, fine, listen to British Steel and lament about how JP has lost its way. Better yet, go out and buy the album of more "reliable" artists, like ACDC, Def Leppard and Aerosmith. Just don't think that you are the only person that really knows about the quality of the album. Mugabe supporters? Anybody that says that about Judas Priest supporters is worse than Hitler.
Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:27:53 PM Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:34:54 PM Edited at: Monday, June 30, 2008 4:39:23 PM
So because I don't like Nostradamus I'm a casual fan then?
I never said they've "lost their way." I don't expect them to stay the same. Maiden are making the best music ever 25 years on. So are Megadeth and Saxon. But just becaue I don't stick my nose up Priest's arse and say all their releases are the best music ever , doesn't mean I don't love them. And I say the same about many other bands I love such as Maiden, Saxon, Rush etc. They've all released sub standard albums. And the ones I may think as sub standard, other people like. I respect their beliefs, even if I don't agree with them
What I was trying to highlight is the idiots who tore into the fans who made negative remarks about Nostradamus. I was talking about them and not Priest fans. But you're not intelligent enought to work that out .
The point about Mugabe (tongue in cheek) was a reaction to the venom of some of the people who really laid into them.
However if you think that that Mugabe quip makes me worse than Hitler, you can't think Hitler is that bad? Have you actually met any Jews or seen some of the programmes about the death camps. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?
I agree. Thats probably the biggest priest success, and their biggest failure, the variety. the rabid die hard fan will buy anything they do. the casual fan, isnt guaranteed to like everything. someone like me, a "solid" fan, who loves the band, will buy most things they put out, but not everything.
I dont like Rocka rolla. lots of fans dont like turbo, but to me, the fact that they branch out, grow and evolve is why I like them the most.
they didnt change to folow a trend, or to make money, they changed because they wanted to.
Bullet- wrote:
Here's the thing. Judas Priest has made albums that were a product of what they were experiencing and writing at the time. Each album is distinctly different from all their previous work. It can be frustrating as a fan and some lose interest with the new directions. I personally didn't like the albums that were written with a specific market in mind (Point of Entry for the US and Turbo for pop metal). The thing is, they challenge their fans to broaden their thinking on what metal is and where it can go. People can criticize the Nostradamus all they like. I've heard people say it's too long, that it's boring, that the production and sound are sub par. All of these things are valid for a band whose objective was to sell as many albums as possible. I'm guessing that all of the objections raised on this board and others were raised inside Epic records before release. It looks like the band got their way this time because of their success in the past.
So we have Nostradamus, a bold new direction for the band. Like always, some fans will hate it and some will love it. The ones who love it will defend it like it was one of their children. I personally love the album and admire the band for taking a risk where they could have easily churned out another Painkiller or Angel and cashed cheques. For those that don't like the album, fine, listen to British Steel and lament about how JP has lost its way. Better yet, go out and buy the album of more "reliable" artists, like ACDC, Def Leppard and Aerosmith. Just don't think that you are the only person that really knows about the quality of the album. Mugabe supporters? Anybody that says that about Judas Priest supporters is worse than Hitler.
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Very true and I knew it wouldn't be British Steel etc. But I just don't think it's worked. I can see what they were getting at, but it is really in need of some serious paring down. Don't get me wrong there are some cracking songs there - but it's padded out with "rock opera" fills.
I can't believe the venom from the "Priest Stalinists" who are pouring out contempt to forum members who have dared pass a negative opinion. "If you don't like it, you're not a fan" and all that immature bullshit. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:48:01 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
It's a tough listen. You first have to get your head around the whole "concept" idea and listen to it like a story, not a headbanging session. If you didn't like "Operation Mindcrime", you definitely won't like this. It's waaaaaaaaaaaaay more heady and requires a lot more from the listener. The songs on Mindcrime could stand alone. Some songs on Nostradamus can, but are much better in context. Some people got into "Tommy" and some didn't. That didn't mean that any one of them wasn't a Who fan.
Well I've listened to Nostradamus a lot and I'm afraid just can't get into it at all.
I had doubts when I heard it was going to be a concept album after that debacle of Lochness and sad to say my full fears have been realised
Firstly it's FAR TOO LONG. It's in need of serious editing. On the whole it's a mistake to let musicians produce their albums. The Jimny Pages of the world can get away with it, but most groups can't.. Possibly it's an ego thing- band members insisting that their particular song should be included. This album needed a producer (such as Tom) who could rack the whip and chuck out the songs that frankly just don't hack it.
It's samey. Most of the time, I'm hard pushed telling one song from another. It's almost like listening to a metal Andrew Lllyod Webber.
Glen And KK are in excellent form and Halford is vocally stronger than on Angel Of Retribution. But Hill may have well not have been there. He's been mixed so far down he may has well not have bothered playing. And what the hell have they done with the brilliant Travis. From the sounds of it, they've used a fucking drum machine.
There are a few very good songs on Nostradamus. But I have to say I'm let down. After hearing this, I just stick on Stained Class, Painkiller, Screaming For Vengeance , Sad Wings, British Steel etc. That's what Priest are about.
And I'm not stuck in the past. Look how brilliantly Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Megadeth and others matured. have matured. Italso seems that people who are negative are getting a bashing for daring to have an opinion. I guess they're Mugabe supporters. Edited at: Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:23:25 PM Edited at: Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:25:01 PM Edited at: Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:26:15 PM Edited at: Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:45:39 PM
MG DID U GET UR TICKETS FOR AC/DC...
DONT FORGET HHOT 
ROCKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
. From what I understand they do not love the United States as much as Priest does. Maiden seem to have a cult like following - sort of like the Grateful Dead.
