[_strat_] Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:33:50 PM
I am thrilled to see you as well.
I need you to take out the garbage, clean the apartment, get me some coffee... and we will just start with those three for now. Stinky dog? Maybe you should take care of the neighbours dog that woke me up at six. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, September 22, 2011 11:29:49 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Hey! My attempt to spice things up DID work! Oh wait, it is just strat....lol!!!
Do you need an oil change? Help taking out the garbage? Stinky dog, perhaps?
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning!
You know, you people on the western hemisphere should really start going to bed earlier, instead of sleeping while decent people are already awake.
Vail, leaves are falling here, and its cold and foggy as well. Do you have a spare bed?
guidogodoy wrote:
OIL CHANGE?! HOLY SHIT!!
There, I tried to spice up the place a bit but I don't think I succeeded. When the convo turns to falling leaves and oil changes, I think it is about time to call it. LOL. Perhaps I'll sit back and think about how much I am not missing the fact that KK is not in Priest anymore. Either that or take out the garbage. Ah, decisions, decisions.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nice!
Not much going on here in the Southwest, except that my car needs an oil change soon. No falling leaves yet.
guidogodoy wrote:
Not a thing happening and shoe-muncher does not smell like either. Febreze took out smell #1 and then just faded away into the furry devil.
No bad weather, just a beautiful fall day turned night. Leaves falling all around is abou the most exciting thing I have to report from Nowhere.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"It's the ciiiiiiiiircle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiife..." Ah, childhood memories.
What else is goin' on out there in Nowhere, TN? Does Calvin still smell like skunk and Febreze?
guidogodoy wrote:
Every stereotype and image from Brazil that you could imagine was in there. That is why I still say to watch it.
Don't watch Lion King first, though. That was at least a decent film. Wasn't as predictible and had music that made some sense.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Did they at least show the giant Christ the Redeemer statue somewhere? Or Pão de Açúcar? Or did they show Chichen Itzá instead?
Ah, who knows. Maybe we will watch it at some point...maybe after watching the Lion King or something. (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:36:01 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, watch it, by all means. I know that my mother would get a kick out of it. Then again, she has no taste in music and has never been to Brazil. LOL!!!
They certainly tried. I'll give 'em that.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's a shame, my mom's been telling me that she wants to see it.
guidogodoy wrote:
Barely.
Just finally watched the movie "Rio." What a horrible film. Like a trainwreck, though, I just had to watch. I don't ask for much. Just that they stop speaking Spanish in Brazil? That too much to ask?
Maracas. Oh yeah, fairly common as well. No wonder this movie tanked.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It's awfully quiet around here.
Hello? Anyone still alive?
Edited at: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:41:11 PM
There, I tried to spice up the place a bit but I don't think I succeeded. When the convo turns to falling leaves and oil changes, I think it is about time to call it. LOL. Perhaps I'll sit back and think about how much I am not missing the fact that KK is not in Priest anymore. Either that or take out the garbage. Ah, decisions, decisions.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nice!
Not much going on here in the Southwest, except that my car needs an oil change soon. No falling leaves yet.
guidogodoy wrote:
Not a thing happening and shoe-muncher does not smell like either. Febreze took out smell #1 and then just faded away into the furry devil.
No bad weather, just a beautiful fall day turned night. Leaves falling all around is abou the most exciting thing I have to report from Nowhere.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"It's the ciiiiiiiiircle of liiiiiiiiiiiiiife..." Ah, childhood memories.
What else is goin' on out there in Nowhere, TN? Does Calvin still smell like skunk and Febreze?
guidogodoy wrote:
Every stereotype and image from Brazil that you could imagine was in there. That is why I still say to watch it.
Don't watch Lion King first, though. That was at least a decent film. Wasn't as predictible and had music that made some sense.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Did they at least show the giant Christ the Redeemer statue somewhere? Or Pão de Açúcar? Or did they show Chichen Itzá instead?
Ah, who knows. Maybe we will watch it at some point...maybe after watching the Lion King or something. (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:36:01 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, watch it, by all means. I know that my mother would get a kick out of it. Then again, she has no taste in music and has never been to Brazil. LOL!!!
They certainly tried. I'll give 'em that.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's a shame, my mom's been telling me that she wants to see it.
guidogodoy wrote:
Barely.
Just finally watched the movie "Rio." What a horrible film. Like a trainwreck, though, I just had to watch. I don't ask for much. Just that they stop speaking Spanish in Brazil? That too much to ask?
Maracas. Oh yeah, fairly common as well. No wonder this movie tanked.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It's awfully quiet around here.
Hello? Anyone still alive?
Edited at: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:41:11 PM
Not at all. Your USERS will have to downoad something. For example, I would need to download the font-pack to see anyone typing in Judas Priest font. Same would go for anything that isn't native to ASCII HTML code.
Speaking of which, want the Judas Priest font? For you and for all. Personally, I wish they could have the GULL font. Ah well... www.1001freefonts.com/JudasPriest.php
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, so I have to download something that will fix it? Well, being a windows user, thats nothing new. And I will have to look up which other alphabet also uses "š" so that it gets through here. I suspect the Italians - its just like them to screw around with us.
Until then I will have to resort to transliterations -the horror!
guidogodoy wrote:
Both letters came through.
Why only some come through? Yes, I can explain it. HTML markup code only supports certain letters (code) by default. Russian (Cyrillic) doesn't include all letters in the standard ASCII character set. Same goes for those who have tried to show a Judas Priest font here. Such a font set would have to be downloaded by the user to be seen properly.
Same goes for most diacritics that are not part of the standard ASCII code.
_strat_ wrote:
But do you ahve any idea why some come through and some dont? I mean its all latin script.
I will try some others.
ñ
Ș
(first is Spanish the second Romanian)
Does anyone see them?
Edit: For some reason I can. (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:39:10 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!! Cyrillic? I laminated my kitchen counters with that stuff! LOL!!!!! Now just where the hell is Los En?eles?! Name like that must be located in the pit of HELL, I tells ya!
Oh yeah, your funny "s" did come through!
_strat_ wrote:
Engleski je za pedere! That, and you dont speak the queens English - except if that queen is Joy Farrah Darville Hickey Turner, wife (and sister and cousin, and probably dad as well) of Earl Jehoshaphat Hickey the first.
Maybe you should try to learn cyrillic, to be more like the worlds best looking past and future president? If not a few of those silly letters would do you good. Then at least you could find places like Nju Jork, Vošington, Los En?eles or Gothem on the map.
Setting aside the bullshit, I hope you will have a good time in Brazil - and I hope that the Brazilians dont. They won it far too many times, maybe they should let someone else have the honour once in a while.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, so you are a baseball fan, then? Good. You and Freeze can play together online. His fantasy team (I think they were called "the bench warmers") against yours. Do let us know how the battle turns out, eh? At least let us know when you are going to do the 7th inning stretch so we can go grab some refreshments (he'll certainly explain that to you).
Djokovic, though for "?okovi?" - Hmmm...remember that your silly letters don't translate here. Get in step with the rest of the civilized world and speak in the Queen's English, won't you? At least use the King's.
As for Pacman, you had it there?! Did it arrive last year? What were the names of the ghouls that chased ol' Pac around? Dclovic, Blavlovic, Kravokocic and Phil? LOL!!!!
Look for me in Brasil during the next World Cup. I volunteered to help clean out the street crime so that the players can make it to the stadiums. Seriously, worst part is flying into Rio's Galeao airport and trying to get to the Maracaná stadium. I plan to exert my AUTHORITAH!
_strat_ wrote:
I dont think he knows either very well, but he could probably tell you that its spelled ?okovi?, not Djokovic. As for Jelena - Let me remind you that Nole has a very strong hand... Which can mean a lot of things and none of them are good for you.
Nascar? I had a video game about that - loooong ago. The level of boring was second only to pac man.
You did root for the Spanish in the final tho. No matter if they werent your first choice - the Dutch certainly werent mine. But we will meet again (maybe) in Brazil in three years.
guidogodoy wrote:
Not interested, eh. Yeah, I guessed that you were more a NASCAR fan. "Turn to the left, turn to the left, turn to the left." HAAAAAA!!!! Still, can your neighbor introduce me to Djokovic? Better yet, how about his girlfriend?
On the tennis note, I am very glad to see that Serena lost in straight sets. Her bitching and moaning about this, that and the other just gets to me. Starting some low-class fight with the chair umpire this time around? WTF?! She has a habit of conveniently forgetting about those arguments as well.
As for fuuuutbol, you know that I put Spain second against Brasil. Always have. I put both in front of México in terms of my fav teams. That said, Spain is doing pretty well in the Davis Cup (tennis). Ah, but who cares about that....go back to NASCAR! turn turn turn turn lol
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not honestly interested, and not actualy seen the match, I AM glad that Nole won... Although come to think of it, it might be better if he didnt. My neighbour happens to be his countryman, and the match is all Ive been hearing about for the last three days...
BUT... I AM very dissapointed that you are glad Nadal lost. I was hoping for at least some kind of revenge after your Spanish won the FIFA world cup last year... No matter, my time will come.
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crappola, Batman! Someone else was interested?!?
Well, I am actually THRILLED that Nadal got his ass handed to him! Hell, he picks at it so much, it was about time someone served it up on a silver platter (heh...not a silver cup). Honestly, I am still a Federer fan but I fear that the old man's time might have passed. After all, he is 30.
Djokovic was ranked #1 for a reason. Some of those returns were just out of this world. I was particularly happy to see that Novak has, apparently, gotten over his "I have an owie" phase where he would bow out of a match with the slightest of aches. THAT was really pissing me off. There, I'll give Rafa credit. See when he went into cramps during the press conference? The Novak of old would have called it quits right there.
Best man won, without a doubt. GO non ass-picking SERBS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:03:31 PM) Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:30:35 PM
Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:48:15 PM
Ok, so I have to download something that will fix it? Well, being a windows user, thats nothing new. And I will have to look up which other alphabet also uses "š" so that it gets through here. I suspect the Italians - its just like them to screw around with us.
Until then I will have to resort to transliterations -the horror!
Why only some come through? Yes, I can explain it. HTML markup code only supports certain letters (code) by default. Russian (Cyrillic) doesn't include all letters in the standard ASCII character set. Same goes for those who have tried to show a Judas Priest font here. Such a font set would have to be downloaded by the user to be seen properly.
Same goes for most diacritics that are not part of the standard ASCII code.
_strat_ wrote:
But do you ahve any idea why some come through and some dont? I mean its all latin script.
I will try some others.
ñ
Ș
(first is Spanish the second Romanian)
Does anyone see them?
Edit: For some reason I can. (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:39:10 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!! Cyrillic? I laminated my kitchen counters with that stuff! LOL!!!!! Now just where the hell is Los En?eles?! Name like that must be located in the pit of HELL, I tells ya!
Oh yeah, your funny "s" did come through!
_strat_ wrote:
Engleski je za pedere! That, and you dont speak the queens English - except if that queen is Joy Farrah Darville Hickey Turner, wife (and sister and cousin, and probably dad as well) of Earl Jehoshaphat Hickey the first.
Maybe you should try to learn cyrillic, to be more like the worlds best looking past and future president? If not a few of those silly letters would do you good. Then at least you could find places like Nju Jork, Vošington, Los En?eles or Gothem on the map.
Setting aside the bullshit, I hope you will have a good time in Brazil - and I hope that the Brazilians dont. They won it far too many times, maybe they should let someone else have the honour once in a while.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, so you are a baseball fan, then? Good. You and Freeze can play together online. His fantasy team (I think they were called "the bench warmers") against yours. Do let us know how the battle turns out, eh? At least let us know when you are going to do the 7th inning stretch so we can go grab some refreshments (he'll certainly explain that to you).
Djokovic, though for "?okovi?" - Hmmm...remember that your silly letters don't translate here. Get in step with the rest of the civilized world and speak in the Queen's English, won't you? At least use the King's.
As for Pacman, you had it there?! Did it arrive last year? What were the names of the ghouls that chased ol' Pac around? Dclovic, Blavlovic, Kravokocic and Phil? LOL!!!!
Look for me in Brasil during the next World Cup. I volunteered to help clean out the street crime so that the players can make it to the stadiums. Seriously, worst part is flying into Rio's Galeao airport and trying to get to the Maracaná stadium. I plan to exert my AUTHORITAH!
_strat_ wrote:
I dont think he knows either very well, but he could probably tell you that its spelled ?okovi?, not Djokovic. As for Jelena - Let me remind you that Nole has a very strong hand... Which can mean a lot of things and none of them are good for you.
Nascar? I had a video game about that - loooong ago. The level of boring was second only to pac man.
You did root for the Spanish in the final tho. No matter if they werent your first choice - the Dutch certainly werent mine. But we will meet again (maybe) in Brazil in three years.
guidogodoy wrote:
Not interested, eh. Yeah, I guessed that you were more a NASCAR fan. "Turn to the left, turn to the left, turn to the left." HAAAAAA!!!! Still, can your neighbor introduce me to Djokovic? Better yet, how about his girlfriend?
On the tennis note, I am very glad to see that Serena lost in straight sets. Her bitching and moaning about this, that and the other just gets to me. Starting some low-class fight with the chair umpire this time around? WTF?! She has a habit of conveniently forgetting about those arguments as well.
As for fuuuutbol, you know that I put Spain second against Brasil. Always have. I put both in front of México in terms of my fav teams. That said, Spain is doing pretty well in the Davis Cup (tennis). Ah, but who cares about that....go back to NASCAR! turn turn turn turn lol
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not honestly interested, and not actualy seen the match, I AM glad that Nole won... Although come to think of it, it might be better if he didnt. My neighbour happens to be his countryman, and the match is all Ive been hearing about for the last three days...
BUT... I AM very dissapointed that you are glad Nadal lost. I was hoping for at least some kind of revenge after your Spanish won the FIFA world cup last year... No matter, my time will come.
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crappola, Batman! Someone else was interested?!?
Well, I am actually THRILLED that Nadal got his ass handed to him! Hell, he picks at it so much, it was about time someone served it up on a silver platter (heh...not a silver cup). Honestly, I am still a Federer fan but I fear that the old man's time might have passed. After all, he is 30.
Djokovic was ranked #1 for a reason. Some of those returns were just out of this world. I was particularly happy to see that Novak has, apparently, gotten over his "I have an owie" phase where he would bow out of a match with the slightest of aches. THAT was really pissing me off. There, I'll give Rafa credit. See when he went into cramps during the press conference? The Novak of old would have called it quits right there.
Best man won, without a doubt. GO non ass-picking SERBS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:03:31 PM) Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:30:35 PM
Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:48:15 PM
HAAAAA!!! Cyrillic? I laminated my kitchen counters with that stuff! LOL!!!!! Now just where the hell is Los En?eles?! Name like that must be located in the pit of HELL, I tells ya!
Oh yeah, your funny "s" did come through!
_strat_ wrote:
Engleski je za pedere! That, and you dont speak the queens English - except if that queen is Joy Farrah Darville Hickey Turner, wife (and sister and cousin, and probably dad as well) of Earl Jehoshaphat Hickey the first.
Maybe you should try to learn cyrillic, to be more like the worlds best looking past and future president? If not a few of those silly letters would do you good. Then at least you could find places like Nju Jork, Vošington, Los En?eles or Gothem on the map.
Setting aside the bullshit, I hope you will have a good time in Brazil - and I hope that the Brazilians dont. They won it far too many times, maybe they should let someone else have the honour once in a while.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, so you are a baseball fan, then? Good. You and Freeze can play together online. His fantasy team (I think they were called "the bench warmers") against yours. Do let us know how the battle turns out, eh? At least let us know when you are going to do the 7th inning stretch so we can go grab some refreshments (he'll certainly explain that to you).
Djokovic, though for "?okovi?" - Hmmm...remember that your silly letters don't translate here. Get in step with the rest of the civilized world and speak in the Queen's English, won't you? At least use the King's.
As for Pacman, you had it there?! Did it arrive last year? What were the names of the ghouls that chased ol' Pac around? Dclovic, Blavlovic, Kravokocic and Phil? LOL!!!!
Look for me in Brasil during the next World Cup. I volunteered to help clean out the street crime so that the players can make it to the stadiums. Seriously, worst part is flying into Rio's Galeao airport and trying to get to the Maracaná stadium. I plan to exert my AUTHORITAH!
_strat_ wrote:
I dont think he knows either very well, but he could probably tell you that its spelled ?okovi?, not Djokovic. As for Jelena - Let me remind you that Nole has a very strong hand... Which can mean a lot of things and none of them are good for you.
Nascar? I had a video game about that - loooong ago. The level of boring was second only to pac man.
You did root for the Spanish in the final tho. No matter if they werent your first choice - the Dutch certainly werent mine. But we will meet again (maybe) in Brazil in three years.
guidogodoy wrote:
Not interested, eh. Yeah, I guessed that you were more a NASCAR fan. "Turn to the left, turn to the left, turn to the left." HAAAAAA!!!! Still, can your neighbor introduce me to Djokovic? Better yet, how about his girlfriend?
On the tennis note, I am very glad to see that Serena lost in straight sets. Her bitching and moaning about this, that and the other just gets to me. Starting some low-class fight with the chair umpire this time around? WTF?! She has a habit of conveniently forgetting about those arguments as well.
As for fuuuutbol, you know that I put Spain second against Brasil. Always have. I put both in front of México in terms of my fav teams. That said, Spain is doing pretty well in the Davis Cup (tennis). Ah, but who cares about that....go back to NASCAR! turn turn turn turn lol
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not honestly interested, and not actualy seen the match, I AM glad that Nole won... Although come to think of it, it might be better if he didnt. My neighbour happens to be his countryman, and the match is all Ive been hearing about for the last three days...
BUT... I AM very dissapointed that you are glad Nadal lost. I was hoping for at least some kind of revenge after your Spanish won the FIFA world cup last year... No matter, my time will come.
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crappola, Batman! Someone else was interested?!?
Well, I am actually THRILLED that Nadal got his ass handed to him! Hell, he picks at it so much, it was about time someone served it up on a silver platter (heh...not a silver cup). Honestly, I am still a Federer fan but I fear that the old man's time might have passed. After all, he is 30.
Djokovic was ranked #1 for a reason. Some of those returns were just out of this world. I was particularly happy to see that Novak has, apparently, gotten over his "I have an owie" phase where he would bow out of a match with the slightest of aches. THAT was really pissing me off. There, I'll give Rafa credit. See when he went into cramps during the press conference? The Novak of old would have called it quits right there.
Best man won, without a doubt. GO non ass-picking SERBS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:03:31 PM) Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:30:35 PM
Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:48:15 PM
I agree - more precisely, on the west coast of the pit of hell . If Timboni was around, he could tell us more. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:39:10 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!! Cyrillic? I laminated my kitchen counters with that stuff! LOL!!!!! Now just where the hell is Los En?eles?! Name like that must be located in the pit of HELL, I tells ya!
Oh yeah, your funny "s" did come through!
_strat_ wrote:
Engleski je za pedere! That, and you dont speak the queens English - except if that queen is Joy Farrah Darville Hickey Turner, wife (and sister and cousin, and probably dad as well) of Earl Jehoshaphat Hickey the first.
Maybe you should try to learn cyrillic, to be more like the worlds best looking past and future president? If not a few of those silly letters would do you good. Then at least you could find places like Nju Jork, Vošington, Los En?eles or Gothem on the map.
Setting aside the bullshit, I hope you will have a good time in Brazil - and I hope that the Brazilians dont. They won it far too many times, maybe they should let someone else have the honour once in a while.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, so you are a baseball fan, then? Good. You and Freeze can play together online. His fantasy team (I think they were called "the bench warmers") against yours. Do let us know how the battle turns out, eh? At least let us know when you are going to do the 7th inning stretch so we can go grab some refreshments (he'll certainly explain that to you).
Djokovic, though for "?okovi?" - Hmmm...remember that your silly letters don't translate here. Get in step with the rest of the civilized world and speak in the Queen's English, won't you? At least use the King's.
As for Pacman, you had it there?! Did it arrive last year? What were the names of the ghouls that chased ol' Pac around? Dclovic, Blavlovic, Kravokocic and Phil? LOL!!!!
Look for me in Brasil during the next World Cup. I volunteered to help clean out the street crime so that the players can make it to the stadiums. Seriously, worst part is flying into Rio's Galeao airport and trying to get to the Maracaná stadium. I plan to exert my AUTHORITAH!
_strat_ wrote:
I dont think he knows either very well, but he could probably tell you that its spelled ?okovi?, not Djokovic. As for Jelena - Let me remind you that Nole has a very strong hand... Which can mean a lot of things and none of them are good for you.
Nascar? I had a video game about that - loooong ago. The level of boring was second only to pac man.
You did root for the Spanish in the final tho. No matter if they werent your first choice - the Dutch certainly werent mine. But we will meet again (maybe) in Brazil in three years.
guidogodoy wrote:
Not interested, eh. Yeah, I guessed that you were more a NASCAR fan. "Turn to the left, turn to the left, turn to the left." HAAAAAA!!!! Still, can your neighbor introduce me to Djokovic? Better yet, how about his girlfriend?
On the tennis note, I am very glad to see that Serena lost in straight sets. Her bitching and moaning about this, that and the other just gets to me. Starting some low-class fight with the chair umpire this time around? WTF?! She has a habit of conveniently forgetting about those arguments as well.
As for fuuuutbol, you know that I put Spain second against Brasil. Always have. I put both in front of México in terms of my fav teams. That said, Spain is doing pretty well in the Davis Cup (tennis). Ah, but who cares about that....go back to NASCAR! turn turn turn turn lol
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not honestly interested, and not actualy seen the match, I AM glad that Nole won... Although come to think of it, it might be better if he didnt. My neighbour happens to be his countryman, and the match is all Ive been hearing about for the last three days...
BUT... I AM very dissapointed that you are glad Nadal lost. I was hoping for at least some kind of revenge after your Spanish won the FIFA world cup last year... No matter, my time will come.
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crappola, Batman! Someone else was interested?!?
Well, I am actually THRILLED that Nadal got his ass handed to him! Hell, he picks at it so much, it was about time someone served it up on a silver platter (heh...not a silver cup). Honestly, I am still a Federer fan but I fear that the old man's time might have passed. After all, he is 30.
Djokovic was ranked #1 for a reason. Some of those returns were just out of this world. I was particularly happy to see that Novak has, apparently, gotten over his "I have an owie" phase where he would bow out of a match with the slightest of aches. THAT was really pissing me off. There, I'll give Rafa credit. See when he went into cramps during the press conference? The Novak of old would have called it quits right there.
Best man won, without a doubt. GO non ass-picking SERBS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:03:31 PM) Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:30:35 PM
Engleski je za pedere! That, and you dont speak the queens English - except if that queen is Joy Farrah Darville Hickey Turner, wife (and sister and cousin, and probably dad as well) of Earl Jehoshaphat Hickey the first.
Maybe you should try to learn cyrillic, to be more like the worlds best looking past and future president? If not a few of those silly letters would do you good. Then at least you could find places like Nju Jork, Vošington, Los En?eles or Gothem on the map.
Setting aside the bullshit, I hope you will have a good time in Brazil - and I hope that the Brazilians dont. They won it far too many times, maybe they should let someone else have the honour once in a while.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, so you are a baseball fan, then? Good. You and Freeze can play together online. His fantasy team (I think they were called "the bench warmers") against yours. Do let us know how the battle turns out, eh? At least let us know when you are going to do the 7th inning stretch so we can go grab some refreshments (he'll certainly explain that to you).
Djokovic, though for "?okovi?" - Hmmm...remember that your silly letters don't translate here. Get in step with the rest of the civilized world and speak in the Queen's English, won't you? At least use the King's.
As for Pacman, you had it there?! Did it arrive last year? What were the names of the ghouls that chased ol' Pac around? Dclovic, Blavlovic, Kravokocic and Phil? LOL!!!!
Look for me in Brasil during the next World Cup. I volunteered to help clean out the street crime so that the players can make it to the stadiums. Seriously, worst part is flying into Rio's Galeao airport and trying to get to the Maracaná stadium. I plan to exert my AUTHORITAH!
_strat_ wrote:
I dont think he knows either very well, but he could probably tell you that its spelled ?okovi?, not Djokovic. As for Jelena - Let me remind you that Nole has a very strong hand... Which can mean a lot of things and none of them are good for you.
Nascar? I had a video game about that - loooong ago. The level of boring was second only to pac man.
You did root for the Spanish in the final tho. No matter if they werent your first choice - the Dutch certainly werent mine. But we will meet again (maybe) in Brazil in three years.
guidogodoy wrote:
Not interested, eh. Yeah, I guessed that you were more a NASCAR fan. "Turn to the left, turn to the left, turn to the left." HAAAAAA!!!! Still, can your neighbor introduce me to Djokovic? Better yet, how about his girlfriend?
On the tennis note, I am very glad to see that Serena lost in straight sets. Her bitching and moaning about this, that and the other just gets to me. Starting some low-class fight with the chair umpire this time around? WTF?! She has a habit of conveniently forgetting about those arguments as well.
As for fuuuutbol, you know that I put Spain second against Brasil. Always have. I put both in front of México in terms of my fav teams. That said, Spain is doing pretty well in the Davis Cup (tennis). Ah, but who cares about that....go back to NASCAR! turn turn turn turn lol
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not honestly interested, and not actualy seen the match, I AM glad that Nole won... Although come to think of it, it might be better if he didnt. My neighbour happens to be his countryman, and the match is all Ive been hearing about for the last three days...
BUT... I AM very dissapointed that you are glad Nadal lost. I was hoping for at least some kind of revenge after your Spanish won the FIFA world cup last year... No matter, my time will come.
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crappola, Batman! Someone else was interested?!?
Well, I am actually THRILLED that Nadal got his ass handed to him! Hell, he picks at it so much, it was about time someone served it up on a silver platter (heh...not a silver cup). Honestly, I am still a Federer fan but I fear that the old man's time might have passed. After all, he is 30.
Djokovic was ranked #1 for a reason. Some of those returns were just out of this world. I was particularly happy to see that Novak has, apparently, gotten over his "I have an owie" phase where he would bow out of a match with the slightest of aches. THAT was really pissing me off. There, I'll give Rafa credit. See when he went into cramps during the press conference? The Novak of old would have called it quits right there.
Best man won, without a doubt. GO non ass-picking SERBS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:03:31 PM) Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:30:35 PM
Engleski je za pedere! That, and you dont speak the queens English - except if that queen is Joy Farrah Darville Hickey Turner, wife (and sister and cousin, and probably dad as well) of Earl Jehoshaphat Hickey the first.
Maybe you should try to learn cyrillic, to be more like the worlds best looking past and future president? If not a few of those silly letters would do you good. Then at least you could find places like Nju Jork, Vošington, Los En?eles or Gothem on the map.
Setting aside the bullshit, I hope you will have a good time in Brazil - and I hope that the Brazilians dont. They won it far too many times, maybe they should let someone else have the honour once in a while. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, September 17, 2011 6:19:58 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, so you are a baseball fan, then? Good. You and Freeze can play together online. His fantasy team (I think they were called "the bench warmers") against yours. Do let us know how the battle turns out, eh? At least let us know when you are going to do the 7th inning stretch so we can go grab some refreshments (he'll certainly explain that to you).
Djokovic, though for "?okovi?" - Hmmm...remember that your silly letters don't translate here. Get in step with the rest of the civilized world and speak in the Queen's English, won't you? At least use the King's.
As for Pacman, you had it there?! Did it arrive last year? What were the names of the ghouls that chased ol' Pac around? Dclovic, Blavlovic, Kravokocic and Phil? LOL!!!!
Look for me in Brasil during the next World Cup. I volunteered to help clean out the street crime so that the players can make it to the stadiums. Seriously, worst part is flying into Rio's Galeao airport and trying to get to the Maracaná stadium. I plan to exert my AUTHORITAH!
_strat_ wrote:
I dont think he knows either very well, but he could probably tell you that its spelled ?okovi?, not Djokovic. As for Jelena - Let me remind you that Nole has a very strong hand... Which can mean a lot of things and none of them are good for you.
Nascar? I had a video game about that - loooong ago. The level of boring was second only to pac man.
You did root for the Spanish in the final tho. No matter if they werent your first choice - the Dutch certainly werent mine. But we will meet again (maybe) in Brazil in three years.
guidogodoy wrote:
Not interested, eh. Yeah, I guessed that you were more a NASCAR fan. "Turn to the left, turn to the left, turn to the left." HAAAAAA!!!! Still, can your neighbor introduce me to Djokovic? Better yet, how about his girlfriend?
On the tennis note, I am very glad to see that Serena lost in straight sets. Her bitching and moaning about this, that and the other just gets to me. Starting some low-class fight with the chair umpire this time around? WTF?! She has a habit of conveniently forgetting about those arguments as well.
As for fuuuutbol, you know that I put Spain second against Brasil. Always have. I put both in front of México in terms of my fav teams. That said, Spain is doing pretty well in the Davis Cup (tennis). Ah, but who cares about that....go back to NASCAR! turn turn turn turn lol
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not honestly interested, and not actualy seen the match, I AM glad that Nole won... Although come to think of it, it might be better if he didnt. My neighbour happens to be his countryman, and the match is all Ive been hearing about for the last three days...
BUT... I AM very dissapointed that you are glad Nadal lost. I was hoping for at least some kind of revenge after your Spanish won the FIFA world cup last year... No matter, my time will come.
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crappola, Batman! Someone else was interested?!?
Well, I am actually THRILLED that Nadal got his ass handed to him! Hell, he picks at it so much, it was about time someone served it up on a silver platter (heh...not a silver cup). Honestly, I am still a Federer fan but I fear that the old man's time might have passed. After all, he is 30.
Djokovic was ranked #1 for a reason. Some of those returns were just out of this world. I was particularly happy to see that Novak has, apparently, gotten over his "I have an owie" phase where he would bow out of a match with the slightest of aches. THAT was really pissing me off. There, I'll give Rafa credit. See when he went into cramps during the press conference? The Novak of old would have called it quits right there.
Best man won, without a doubt. GO non ass-picking SERBS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:03:31 PM) Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:30:35 PM
I dont think he knows either very well, but he could probably tell you that its spelled ?okovi?, not Djokovic. As for Jelena - Let me remind you that Nole has a very strong hand... Which can mean a lot of things and none of them are good for you.
Nascar? I had a video game about that - loooong ago. The level of boring was second only to pac man.
You did root for the Spanish in the final tho. No matter if they werent your first choice - the Dutch certainly werent mine. But we will meet again (maybe) in Brazil in three years.
Not interested, eh. Yeah, I guessed that you were more a NASCAR fan. "Turn to the left, turn to the left, turn to the left." HAAAAAA!!!! Still, can your neighbor introduce me to Djokovic? Better yet, how about his girlfriend?
On the tennis note, I am very glad to see that Serena lost in straight sets. Her bitching and moaning about this, that and the other just gets to me. Starting some low-class fight with the chair umpire this time around? WTF?! She has a habit of conveniently forgetting about those arguments as well.
As for fuuuutbol, you know that I put Spain second against Brasil. Always have. I put both in front of México in terms of my fav teams. That said, Spain is doing pretty well in the Davis Cup (tennis). Ah, but who cares about that....go back to NASCAR! turn turn turn turn lol
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not honestly interested, and not actualy seen the match, I AM glad that Nole won... Although come to think of it, it might be better if he didnt. My neighbour happens to be his countryman, and the match is all Ive been hearing about for the last three days...
BUT... I AM very dissapointed that you are glad Nadal lost. I was hoping for at least some kind of revenge after your Spanish won the FIFA world cup last year... No matter, my time will come.
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crappola, Batman! Someone else was interested?!?
Well, I am actually THRILLED that Nadal got his ass handed to him! Hell, he picks at it so much, it was about time someone served it up on a silver platter (heh...not a silver cup). Honestly, I am still a Federer fan but I fear that the old man's time might have passed. After all, he is 30.
Djokovic was ranked #1 for a reason. Some of those returns were just out of this world. I was particularly happy to see that Novak has, apparently, gotten over his "I have an owie" phase where he would bow out of a match with the slightest of aches. THAT was really pissing me off. There, I'll give Rafa credit. See when he went into cramps during the press conference? The Novak of old would have called it quits right there.
Best man won, without a doubt. GO non ass-picking SERBS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:03:31 PM) Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:30:35 PM
Well, not honestly interested, and not actualy seen the match, I AM glad that Nole won... Although come to think of it, it might be better if he didnt. My neighbour happens to be his countryman, and the match is all Ive been hearing about for the last three days...
BUT... I AM very dissapointed that you are glad Nadal lost. I was hoping for at least some kind of revenge after your Spanish won the FIFA world cup last year... No matter, my time will come. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:28:41 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crappola, Batman! Someone else was interested?!?
Well, I am actually THRILLED that Nadal got his ass handed to him! Hell, he picks at it so much, it was about time someone served it up on a silver platter (heh...not a silver cup). Honestly, I am still a Federer fan but I fear that the old man's time might have passed. After all, he is 30.
Djokovic was ranked #1 for a reason. Some of those returns were just out of this world. I was particularly happy to see that Novak has, apparently, gotten over his "I have an owie" phase where he would bow out of a match with the slightest of aches. THAT was really pissing me off. There, I'll give Rafa credit. See when he went into cramps during the press conference? The Novak of old would have called it quits right there.
Best man won, without a doubt. GO non ass-picking SERBS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:03:31 PM) Edited at: Saturday, September 17, 2011 5:30:35 PM
Hi Freeze! Ive been meaning to show you this... Since I figure youre tired of the weather in Vegas, why not move to a nice idyllic Austrian village?
Population of 104, close to Mozarts birthplace, very nice. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:56:05 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Howdy kiddies!!!!!!!!!!!! Are we all happy and safe?? GOOD!!! Miss you all! Very nasty here in Vegas. Clouds, rain and HUMIDITY!!! AAAARRRRGGGGH! Needless to say, Freeze is unhappy!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
IDK - I think that the original is great, but it just got a bit old. Needs refreshing. We might have to start looking for a new song. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, July 29, 2011 10:16:55 PM)
spapad wrote:
Cute, but not as funny as the original at all. I think it has passed it's time or passed gas.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on, thats sooo 2010.
No rickrolling - instead, here is a great video from a kickass metal band:
HAAA!! Haven't you ever read the kmac thread?
Hey strat! Show him what "to be rickrolled" means! LOL!
Budred wrote:
I had to read that just to see what the hell rickrolled meant.
Never heard that before. I'm old and I'm new to the computer.(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:25:28 AM)
Head banger wrote:
hey the whitehouse rickrolled someone yesterday. see story below
It is how you start a question in Spanish. When I wasn't using it, it was because I was typing in Portuguese that doesn't use it.
Same goes for the exclamation mark in Spanish, BTW, ¡Puto! ¡JAAAA! As you can see, it can be used in the middle of a sentence. Most particularly after a comma, ¿entiendes?
_strat_ wrote:
Id just like to ask (not speaking Spanish myself), whats that inverted question mark? Does it have some special meaning? Because I see that you sometimes use it, and sometimes not.
guidogodoy wrote:
¿Llevarte,? sí. ¿Defenderte? ¡no!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahora ya sé lo suficiente portugués para sobrevivir algunos días en Brasil. Me vas a llevar en el próximo viaje pa'lla?
guidogodoy wrote:
Então: "O!i Pentelho velho! Como vai?" Todo lo que necesitas.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"É como um pentelho no sabão". Tengo que escribir eso o se me va a olvidar. En este momento nada más sé algunas palabras en portugués, como "velho" y "oi".
guidogodoy wrote:
Buena expresión también. Él aquí en el foro - É como um pentelho no sabão!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
JA!!! Muchas gracias por la lección. Pentelho. Me gusta.
guidogodoy wrote:
Una palabra adeucada para aquel hijo de puta.....pequeña lección de portugués: pentelho.
Por ejemplo: "aquele filho da puta é um pentelho no sabão."
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Sí, sí, ya lo vi. Esa cucaracha que nunca se muere.
guidogodoy wrote:
JA...laca. Ehhhhh....no. Mejor rasparme la cabeza. Sería más fácil a mi parecer.
¿Viste que el pendejo está andando por el foro ahora? Idiota.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yo tengo un poco de experiencia con el alisador. Lo que hace es matar a la vida (pos, el chino) de tu pelo hasta que lo laves. Te va quedar perfectamente liso. Un poco de hairspray y voila!
guidogodoy wrote:
La única diferencia es que su pelo crece para abajo. ¿El mío? Pa'fuera. Con alisador o sin, tendré un casco de pelo.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Te digo, mi amigazo. Con ese alisador (gracias), en un mes parecerás como Bazooka Joe, pero con el pelo oscuro.
guidogodoy wrote:
Pues, eso no tomaría ningún tipo de cuidado, ¿n'eh? Ah....pensándolo bien, rasparme la cabeza me parece trabajo bien duro. Mejor comparme un alisador (así se dice).
¡P'a nada! ¡Dejarlo crecer! ¡Dicho, hecho!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Y si eso no te ayuda, ponte calvo, como el Señor Halford.
Id just like to ask (not speaking Spanish myself), whats that inverted question mark? Does it have some special meaning? Because I see that you sometimes use it, and sometimes not. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, July 27, 2011 2:41:41 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
¿Llevarte,? sí. ¿Defenderte? ¡no!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ahora ya sé lo suficiente portugués para sobrevivir algunos días en Brasil. Me vas a llevar en el próximo viaje pa'lla?
guidogodoy wrote:
Então: "O!i Pentelho velho! Como vai?" Todo lo que necesitas.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"É como um pentelho no sabão". Tengo que escribir eso o se me va a olvidar. En este momento nada más sé algunas palabras en portugués, como "velho" y "oi".
guidogodoy wrote:
Buena expresión también. Él aquí en el foro - É como um pentelho no sabão!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
JA!!! Muchas gracias por la lección. Pentelho. Me gusta.
guidogodoy wrote:
Una palabra adeucada para aquel hijo de puta.....pequeña lección de portugués: pentelho.
Por ejemplo: "aquele filho da puta é um pentelho no sabão."
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Sí, sí, ya lo vi. Esa cucaracha que nunca se muere.
guidogodoy wrote:
JA...laca. Ehhhhh....no. Mejor rasparme la cabeza. Sería más fácil a mi parecer.
¿Viste que el pendejo está andando por el foro ahora? Idiota.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yo tengo un poco de experiencia con el alisador. Lo que hace es matar a la vida (pos, el chino) de tu pelo hasta que lo laves. Te va quedar perfectamente liso. Un poco de hairspray y voila!
guidogodoy wrote:
La única diferencia es que su pelo crece para abajo. ¿El mío? Pa'fuera. Con alisador o sin, tendré un casco de pelo.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Te digo, mi amigazo. Con ese alisador (gracias), en un mes parecerás como Bazooka Joe, pero con el pelo oscuro.
guidogodoy wrote:
Pues, eso no tomaría ningún tipo de cuidado, ¿n'eh? Ah....pensándolo bien, rasparme la cabeza me parece trabajo bien duro. Mejor comparme un alisador (así se dice).
¡P'a nada! ¡Dejarlo crecer! ¡Dicho, hecho!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Y si eso no te ayuda, ponte calvo, como el Señor Halford.
HAAA!! Haven't you ever read the kmac thread?
Hey strat! Show him what "to be rickrolled" means! LOL!
Budred wrote:
I had to read that just to see what the hell rickrolled meant.
Never heard that before. I'm old and I'm new to the computer.(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, July 28, 2011 10:25:28 AM)
Head banger wrote:
hey the whitehouse rickrolled someone yesterday. see story below
Erm... No, that cant be. A cool cat hating dude is like a fat anorexic or a smart Justin Bieber fan. Its just... No. Cant exist. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, July 25, 2011 10:17:44 PM)
Head banger wrote:
cool cat hating dude!
Budred wrote:
HEADBANGER!!!!
I thought you were so cool.
What the hell kind of post is that?
Should have dedicated that video to you instead of Spa.
(Oh' Well, you're still cool, I guess.)
Head banger wrote:
without kittens there would be not cats, improving the world dramaticly.
if I had a time machine, I would go back in time find the damn egyptian that domesticated the cat, then go back to before his birth and kill both his parents.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Without kittens, the world would be a much sadder place to live in.
_strat_ wrote:
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Thats great! The orange one is the best. I always thought that orange cats had more temperament. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Budred from Monday, July 25, 2011 9:40:38 AM)
Budred wrote:
Spa, I can't believe you don't like cats. Sometimes they are adorable.
My wife is allergic to them also. She gets nasty red welts if they scratch her
and when they're shedding it gets her sneezing but she still likes them. Our
cat sleeps on her for hours on end sometimes. She filmed these two playing
on our back steps. She put it on her youtube page this morning. I labeled it
Brutal cat fight to f#ck with people.
spapad wrote:
If he likes cats, then we should ship them all to him. Dreadful dander creatures.
_strat_ wrote:
You two better be joking.
If you are not, however... I might have to call an old friend.
Well, scratching and spitting are important parts of many different sports. Which one did you mean? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:06:04 PM)
Head banger wrote:
your not refering to that game where you need to be able to scratch yourself inapropriatly and spit at the same time? I call that naptime
_strat_ wrote:
We do not play games where players have to use big, suggestive sticks to hit balls, and then run home.
We kick them instead.
The fart that is even older than you (lol like thats possible), is probably watching the game with sticks and balls and running home.
guidogodoy wrote:
Baby Got Back! HAAAA!!! That must be a cool way to start your baseball games!
Do you have the American vs. National Leagues too? I mean, you must as you participate in the WORLD series of baseball. I wonder why it is always played here?
Hmmmm...were is Freeze when you need an even older fart to explain this one?
_strat_ wrote:
No, we sing it like it is:
"I like big buts and I cannot lie.."
guidogodoy wrote:
Now, see? If you weren't a foreigner, your script wouldn't be all screwy. I mean, how do you get by singing the singing the American National Anthem over there? Do you just translate it, or what?
Oh yes, and as a Disciple of Cornholio I can also claim to be able to pronounce" Las rrrrrruedas rrrrruedan rrrrrrápidamente en el ferrrrrrrrrocrarrrrril"!!!
Have fun, and try not to drown... Even tho its just a quiz. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:03:45 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!! A good "kick in the balls" is what you should be expecting soon as a great number of the members here are older than I.
With that, I take my leave as I must don flippers and a mask to see the effects of pressure vs. depth! SCUBA quiz coming up! CYA.
_strat_ wrote:
We do not play games where players have to use big, suggestive sticks to hit balls, and then run home.
We kick them instead.
The fart that is even older than you (lol like thats possible), is probably watching the game with sticks and balls and running home.
guidogodoy wrote:
Baby Got Back! HAAAA!!! That must be a cool way to start your baseball games!
Do you have the American vs. National Leagues too? I mean, you must as you participate in the WORLD series of baseball. I wonder why it is always played here?
Hmmmm...were is Freeze when you need an even older fart to explain this one?
_strat_ wrote:
No, we sing it like it is:
"I like big buts and I cannot lie.."
guidogodoy wrote:
Now, see? If you weren't a foreigner, your script wouldn't be all screwy. I mean, how do you get by singing the singing the American National Anthem over there? Do you just translate it, or what?
Oh yes, and as a Disciple of Cornholio I can also claim to be able to pronounce" Las rrrrrruedas rrrrruedan rrrrrrápidamente en el ferrrrrrrrrocrarrrrril"!!!
We do not play games where players have to use big, suggestive sticks to hit balls, and then run home.
We kick them instead.
The fart that is even older than you (lol like thats possible), is probably watching the game with sticks and balls and running home. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:54:42 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Baby Got Back! HAAAA!!! That must be a cool way to start your baseball games!
Do you have the American vs. National Leagues too? I mean, you must as you participate in the WORLD series of baseball. I wonder why it is always played here?
Hmmmm...were is Freeze when you need an even older fart to explain this one?
_strat_ wrote:
No, we sing it like it is:
"I like big buts and I cannot lie.."
guidogodoy wrote:
Now, see? If you weren't a foreigner, your script wouldn't be all screwy. I mean, how do you get by singing the singing the American National Anthem over there? Do you just translate it, or what?
Oh yes, and as a Disciple of Cornholio I can also claim to be able to pronounce" Las rrrrrruedas rrrrruedan rrrrrrápidamente en el ferrrrrrrrrocrarrrrril"!!!
"I like big buts and I cannot lie.." [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:48:27 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Now, see? If you weren't a foreigner, your script wouldn't be all screwy. I mean, how do you get by singing the singing the American National Anthem over there? Do you just translate it, or what?
Oh yes, and as a Disciple of Cornholio I can also claim to be able to pronounce" Las rrrrrruedas rrrrruedan rrrrrrápidamente en el ferrrrrrrrrocrarrrrril"!!!
Besides, I looked into the Russian thread, and its the same there. Looks like we dont have it set up right, IDK. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:45:01 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Awww, that sucks. Maybe you can write it and scan it and post it as a pic?
_strat_ wrote:
No, it was supposed to be in Russian, and it looked perfectly allright when I wrote it, but when I posted it, it turned to question marks.
I hate computers.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yes...were you speaking Questionese? And I can roll r's when the occasion calls for it.
_strat_ wrote:
Okay, techincal question... Am I the only one that sees just question marks in the first line of my last post?
_strat_ wrote:
???? ?? ??????????, ????????????????? ?????!
You are overseas, and Im onthissideofseas - and yes, I speak with an accent. I bet you cant even roll r`s, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now just how the hell would something be "blocked overseas" if we can see it and you can't? Riddle me that, jester!
I bet that you speak with an accent, too.
_strat_ wrote:
I wouldnt know. I live on this side of the seas - you are overseas. And the seas were put in place to prevent the spread of disco plague.
Unfortunately, it didnt work. You heartless old bastards. We already have yodling, you know, no need to torture us further...
guidogodoy wrote:
I can say that I can easily name both those Muppets without having to look it up! HAAA!!!
Doesn't it suck to live overseas? You miss all the good videos. Why don't you quit being lazy and move underseas?
_strat_ wrote:
guidogodoy wrote:
Would she know Winger? Perhaps get the joke tha Micky was the drummer of the Monkees, not the guitarist? LOL!!!!
Nope. KIDS!!
spapad wrote:
That was very funny! I would have called Flora out to watch it but she would have no clue who the BeeGees are.
guidogodoy wrote:
Cats make me sneeze!
Man, I can't think of the BeeGees without the "Barry Gibb Talk Show" skit on Saturday Night Live. Damn, I hope this isn't blocked overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Yes...were you speaking Questionese? And I can roll r's when the occasion calls for it.
_strat_ wrote:
Okay, techincal question... Am I the only one that sees just question marks in the first line of my last post?
_strat_ wrote:
???? ?? ??????????, ????????????????? ?????!
You are overseas, and Im onthissideofseas - and yes, I speak with an accent. I bet you cant even roll r`s, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now just how the hell would something be "blocked overseas" if we can see it and you can't? Riddle me that, jester!
I bet that you speak with an accent, too.
_strat_ wrote:
I wouldnt know. I live on this side of the seas - you are overseas. And the seas were put in place to prevent the spread of disco plague.
Unfortunately, it didnt work. You heartless old bastards. We already have yodling, you know, no need to torture us further...
guidogodoy wrote:
I can say that I can easily name both those Muppets without having to look it up! HAAA!!!
Doesn't it suck to live overseas? You miss all the good videos. Why don't you quit being lazy and move underseas?
_strat_ wrote:
guidogodoy wrote:
Would she know Winger? Perhaps get the joke tha Micky was the drummer of the Monkees, not the guitarist? LOL!!!!
Nope. KIDS!!
spapad wrote:
That was very funny! I would have called Flora out to watch it but she would have no clue who the BeeGees are.
guidogodoy wrote:
Cats make me sneeze!
Man, I can't think of the BeeGees without the "Barry Gibb Talk Show" skit on Saturday Night Live. Damn, I hope this isn't blocked overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Okay, techincal question... Am I the only one that sees just question marks in the first line of my last post? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, July 24, 2011 4:36:07 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
???? ?? ??????????, ????????????????? ?????!
You are overseas, and Im onthissideofseas - and yes, I speak with an accent. I bet you cant even roll r`s, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Now just how the hell would something be "blocked overseas" if we can see it and you can't? Riddle me that, jester!
I bet that you speak with an accent, too.
_strat_ wrote:
I wouldnt know. I live on this side of the seas - you are overseas. And the seas were put in place to prevent the spread of disco plague.
Unfortunately, it didnt work. You heartless old bastards. We already have yodling, you know, no need to torture us further...
guidogodoy wrote:
I can say that I can easily name both those Muppets without having to look it up! HAAA!!!
Doesn't it suck to live overseas? You miss all the good videos. Why don't you quit being lazy and move underseas?
_strat_ wrote:
guidogodoy wrote:
Would she know Winger? Perhaps get the joke tha Micky was the drummer of the Monkees, not the guitarist? LOL!!!!
Nope. KIDS!!
spapad wrote:
That was very funny! I would have called Flora out to watch it but she would have no clue who the BeeGees are.
guidogodoy wrote:
Cats make me sneeze!
Man, I can't think of the BeeGees without the "Barry Gibb Talk Show" skit on Saturday Night Live. Damn, I hope this isn't blocked overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Now just how the hell would something be "blocked overseas" if we can see it and you can't? Riddle me that, jester!
I bet that you speak with an accent, too.
_strat_ wrote:
I wouldnt know. I live on this side of the seas - you are overseas. And the seas were put in place to prevent the spread of disco plague.
Unfortunately, it didnt work. You heartless old bastards. We already have yodling, you know, no need to torture us further...
guidogodoy wrote:
I can say that I can easily name both those Muppets without having to look it up! HAAA!!!
Doesn't it suck to live overseas? You miss all the good videos. Why don't you quit being lazy and move underseas?
_strat_ wrote:
guidogodoy wrote:
Would she know Winger? Perhaps get the joke tha Micky was the drummer of the Monkees, not the guitarist? LOL!!!!
Nope. KIDS!!
spapad wrote:
That was very funny! I would have called Flora out to watch it but she would have no clue who the BeeGees are.
guidogodoy wrote:
Cats make me sneeze!
Man, I can't think of the BeeGees without the "Barry Gibb Talk Show" skit on Saturday Night Live. Damn, I hope this isn't blocked overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
I can say that I can easily name both those Muppets without having to look it up! HAAA!!!
Doesn't it suck to live overseas? You miss all the good videos. Why don't you quit being lazy and move underseas?
_strat_ wrote:
guidogodoy wrote:
Would she know Winger? Perhaps get the joke tha Micky was the drummer of the Monkees, not the guitarist? LOL!!!!
Nope. KIDS!!
spapad wrote:
That was very funny! I would have called Flora out to watch it but she would have no clue who the BeeGees are.
guidogodoy wrote:
Cats make me sneeze!
Man, I can't think of the BeeGees without the "Barry Gibb Talk Show" skit on Saturday Night Live. Damn, I hope this isn't blocked overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Would she know Winger? Perhaps get the joke tha Micky was the drummer of the Monkees, not the guitarist? LOL!!!!
Nope. KIDS!!
spapad wrote:
That was very funny! I would have called Flora out to watch it but she would have no clue who the BeeGees are.
guidogodoy wrote:
Cats make me sneeze!
Man, I can't think of the BeeGees without the "Barry Gibb Talk Show" skit on Saturday Night Live. Damn, I hope this isn't blocked overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
It is blocked overseas, and for once im pretty happy about it.
I mean, if youre going to sing like someone has cut your balls off, you might as well cut them off.
Like this:
The quality is shit, but you can tell that he was far more talented than the bee gees. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:55:06 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Cats make me sneeze!
Man, I can't think of the BeeGees without the "Barry Gibb Talk Show" skit on Saturday Night Live. Damn, I hope this isn't blocked overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
It is nice to see someone with a soft heart, who can hear the pleas of innocent little kittens, who do not want to be blown out of existance by the Bee Gees.
Unfortunately, Guido prefers dogs. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:39:06 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
KITTY!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You... Wouldnt...
Would you?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
I think it is as the song goes with you: some "She" has devoured all your sweet love, took all you had and then fed you dirt!"
Shall I break out my BeeGees collection now?
_strat_ wrote:
You own a Monkees CD.
Right. That does it.
guidogodoy wrote:
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
HERESY!
I thought as much from you, you young bounder. You cad. Thus, I have already prepared my visual response.
Right below. Says quite clearly: Micky Dolenz: guitar! Both CDs autographed! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up.
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Guido, sit down, take a deep breath... Have a drink..
Here it comes:
The Monkees did not play their own instruments.
The Archies probably did, tho, they sound too good to be made up. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 24, 2011 3:05:26 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! NOOOO!!!
Next, you are going to say something absurd like they didn't play their own instruments either.
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right?
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Sure. But you do know that they didnt write their own lyrics, right? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:54:45 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh don't you dare screw with the Monkees, man! Them's fightin' words! LOL!!!
(plus, they had many more hits than Winger).
The lyrics to this song are some of my favorite:
_strat_ wrote:
Exactyly? I see Freeze hasnt been around much.
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms.
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Taoism - Shit happens
Hare Krishna - Shit happens, Rama Rama Ding Ding
Hinduism - This shit happened before
Islam - If shit happens, take a hostage
Zen - What is the sound of shit happening?
Buddhism - When shit happens, is it really shit?
Confucianism - Confucius say: "Shit happens."
Protestantism - Shit wont happen, if I work harder.
Catholicism - If shit happens, I deserve it.
Jehowahs Witness- Knock, knock, "shit happens".
Mormon - Shit happens again and again and again...
Judaism - Why does this shit always happen to me?
Rastafarianism - Lets smoke this shit!
Anyway - Yes, Bon Jovi for Winger - would work. Although since we are at it, they might as well swap it for the Monkees - they are probably heavier than either, anyway.
I read minds at CET 0h - 24h, so theres nothing much you can do here.
What I do hope is that the new Beavis and Butthead will make it to MTV Adria soon. Right now the only thing that they are playing is Jersey Shore and all those bullshit Hip hop shows like Short Circuitz and all the rest that all look the same. Humour has never looked as bad as it does now. We need the Brits to start doing some new sitcoms. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:15:59 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
1. No, man. I am not saying that Beavis and Butthead should change shirts (sacrilige!...unless they changed to a JP shirt, of course) but that the Winger could be swapped out for, say, Bon Jovi!
2. Yeah, I agree that Butthead has always been smarter (hey, who pays the rent?). My comment was meant to compare the Beavis of old to the new incarnation. He seems smarter than he should be. I once heard an interview about the Simpsons and, in particular, Homer. The creators said that he should be only as smart as a dog. Another creator asked for clarification: "yes, but what BREED of dog!?" LOL.
3. EXACTYLY what I thought when I saw "Snookie!" That South Park line! HAAA!!! I told you to quit reading my mind, damnit! At least between the hours of 4-6 (-5GMT). That's GUIDO'S time!
_strat_ wrote:
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
The t-shirts have to stay as they are for two reasons:
1. There are no modern bands that would be good (or known) enough to take their place
2. I disagree with Beavis being more intelligent - I always thought that Butthead was the smart one, if nothing else because Beavis has the Metallica t-shirt. They should keep it that way.
I must admit Ive watched Jersey Shore once. It was after I watched the South Park episode ("Snooki want smoosh-smoosh!"), which was much better than the original.
Oh, and youth of today doesnt have a clue about what Winger is. They like Lady Gaga, which makes my stomach turn. Not to say that Winger was brilliant, but at least they could dress better. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, July 24, 2011 1:40:52 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Kinda odd voice, isn't it? I mean, it is still Mike Judge but it seems like he threw every catchphrase and clip into that one little segment trying to re-capture his old audience. Does the youth of today even know who "Winger" is anymore? They should have updated the t-shirts.
I don't know about you but, IMO, Beavis actually sounds too intelligent! As for the Jersey Shore comments, I am glad to say that I have never once seen the show. That was as much as I have ever seen and I daresay that it was too much. Yeah, spoof Gaga. At least she doesn't make my stomach turn.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont like Beavises new voice much either.
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
It is a good idea that they comment on Jersey Shore, tho. But I think that Lady Gaga videos might be even better. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:28:03 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA!! In the sense of humor, who else has seen the new clip for reviving Beavis and Butthead?
Funny but I don't really like the new tone Beavis has to his voice. Yeah, still Mike Judge but it is different. I might be touchy because I liked the old ones and hate messing with perfection.
"I am CORNHOLIO!!"
Well, it takes a jealous, worthless pussy to do what he did. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, July 23, 2011 8:13:12 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
He said black metal badasses not jealous worthless pussies.
_strat_ wrote:
Funny you mention those. I just checked and it turns out that Varg Vikernes was released 2 years ago...
. wrote:
Yeah, where are the Norwegian Black Metal badasses when you need them?
I remember that sewing patches on leather was hard enough for me, I never even got around to studs. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, July 22, 2011 8:07:48 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
OK.NOW THIS IS WHERE IT GETS TO BE TRICKY BESIDES THE FRONT AROUND THE POCKETS AND THATS A RANDOM FACT. STUDDING AROUND THE PATCH.YOU REALLY HAVE TO TAKE YOUR TIME .THE TASK IS FOR THE STUDS TO ALIGHN PERFECTLY ABOVE PATCH.YOU REALLY HAVE TO TAKE YOUR TIME OR YOU WILL END UP WITH A BIG SPACE OR NOT ENOUGH OF A SPACE BETWEEN THE STUDS ABOVE PATCH AND IT WILL LOOK LIKE SHI? AND BOTHER YOU IF YOU ARE LIKE ME.A RULER WORKS GOOD FOR THIS AND YOU CAN MARK ON THE LEATHER WITH PEN.
One of my friends went to her infamous show in Belgrade (yes, I have friends who listen to Amy Winehouse, and Im not proud of it), and said she was half dead on the stage, that is when she was on the stage (half of the time she wasnt), and with all the rest that shes been up to... Well, she should have gone to rehab, but she said no, no, no... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Budred from Saturday, July 23, 2011 2:54:20 PM)
Funny you mention those. I just checked and it turns out that Varg Vikernes was released 2 years ago... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by . from Friday, July 22, 2011 6:02:01 PM)
. wrote:
Yeah, where are the Norwegian Black Metal badasses when you need them?
Maybe, but the girl on the left is obviously a Frenchwoman who doesnt like snails or frogs, which leaves her with very little else to eat. My theory, anyway. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Monday, June 20, 2011 8:51:00 AM)
guitardude wrote:
So sad, but So true!
_strat_ wrote:
I have but one thing to say to this:
You might be European and not even know it!
Of course, all that fire would melt the fat, but judging from the size of that jacket, Id say there never was any to begin with.
guitardude wrote:
Hello Strat
Nice to see you again my friend. Hope all is well, but I have only one question..... Is that the Euro version of me?
_strat_ wrote:
I provide!
Not particulary fast, but cows arent exactly olympic sprinters either.
Nice to see you too :)
spapad wrote:
Yikes!! I'm sure she'll find something to fend off that unworthy opponent.
Afterall, he's too fat and makeup obsessive to give chase.
Nice to see ya Strat.
_strat_ wrote:
Greetings!
Its been a long time... I hope the old regulars are still around! I certainly hope that Vail is still around, for I believe I have found the ultimate weapon that will make her fire herd disappear in record time!
Lol! I remember that one! Too bad they stopped showing it. The best episode was the one where they had to get of off their addictions... Which of course they didnt.
But speaking of British sitcoms, here is the best of the best:
But I knew you would like it - I ALWAYS suspected that you were a closet yodling fan!
Time to come out. Say it: "I am Guido and I like yodling!" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, June 18, 2011 6:23:05 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
No wait! I LOVED that first video!
Which one were you?
_strat_ wrote:
I saw the first pic - and then I needed to take a break before I watched the rest.
But, alas, Spa is right. So, before you get to self critical - here:
That yodler was actualy on our talent show... They didnt let him to the semi finals, tho (which is just as well).
Of course, he is better than Miley... Sorry, I had to say that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:22:12 PM)
spapad wrote:
That is worse than Rick Roll! Noise that only a mother could love, and only if they are her children!
Here in the States they would be playing at Nursing Homes, because every other crowd would boo and hiss them out of any venue and the poor resident's can't do much about their choice in entertainment. So cruel. That should be banned!
THAT is a far worse attack on K-mac than the Emo Blob! Insert puke smiley here. >>
Now, I think I'll go get Rick Rolled for old time sake. lol
_strat_ wrote:
I saw the first pic - and then I needed to take a break before I watched the rest.
But, alas, Spa is right. So, before you get to self critical - here:
I was never in France myself, but I have to say that Italians disprove my picture as do Germans, but Austrians surprisingly dont. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, June 18, 2011 12:38:26 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Having just come back from patrolling France, all I can say is: BWHAAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I have but one thing to say to this:
You might be European and not even know it!
Of course, all that fire would melt the fat, but judging from the size of that jacket, Id say there never was any to begin with.
guitardude wrote:
Hello Strat
Nice to see you again my friend. Hope all is well, but I have only one question..... Is that the Euro version of me?
_strat_ wrote:
I provide!
Not particulary fast, but cows arent exactly olympic sprinters either.
Nice to see you too :)
spapad wrote:
Yikes!! I'm sure she'll find something to fend off that unworthy opponent.
Afterall, he's too fat and makeup obsessive to give chase.
Nice to see ya Strat.
_strat_ wrote:
Greetings!
Its been a long time... I hope the old regulars are still around! I certainly hope that Vail is still around, for I believe I have found the ultimate weapon that will make her fire herd disappear in record time!
Hello Strat
Nice to see you again my friend. Hope all is well, but I have only one question..... Is that the Euro version of me?
_strat_ wrote:
I provide!
Not particulary fast, but cows arent exactly olympic sprinters either.
Nice to see you too :)
spapad wrote:
Yikes!! I'm sure she'll find something to fend off that unworthy opponent.
Afterall, he's too fat and makeup obsessive to give chase.
Nice to see ya Strat.
_strat_ wrote:
Greetings!
Its been a long time... I hope the old regulars are still around! I certainly hope that Vail is still around, for I believe I have found the ultimate weapon that will make her fire herd disappear in record time!
That is not as awesome as when he counted to infinity - twice! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, November 20, 2009 9:55:13 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Chuck Norris can still divide by zero...and kick your ass any day of the week.
His head is not important. If I tell him to sit on you, we will never find you again. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, June 17, 2011 10:46:57 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Holy crap! Is that guy's head just about the same size as his rearview mirror or is it my impression?
_strat_ wrote:
I provide!
Not particulary fast, but cows arent exactly olympic sprinters either.
Nice to see you too :)
spapad wrote:
Yikes!! I'm sure she'll find something to fend off that unworthy opponent.
Afterall, he's too fat and makeup obsessive to give chase.
Nice to see ya Strat.
_strat_ wrote:
Greetings!
Its been a long time... I hope the old regulars are still around! I certainly hope that Vail is still around, for I believe I have found the ultimate weapon that will make her fire herd disappear in record time!
Ooh lookie! That was me the morning of my graduation ceremony! That was right before I put on the cap and gown, too. Gotta love taking those myspace-style piccies.
*looks around*
Now where the heck did my cows go? (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 17, 2011 6:58:39 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Greetings!
Its been a long time... I hope the old regulars are still around! I certainly hope that Vail is still around, for I believe I have found the ultimate weapon that will make her fire herd disappear in record time!
Yikes!! I'm sure she'll find something to fend off that unworthy opponent.
Afterall, he's too fat and makeup obsessive to give chase.
Nice to see ya Strat.
_strat_ wrote:
Greetings!
Its been a long time... I hope the old regulars are still around! I certainly hope that Vail is still around, for I believe I have found the ultimate weapon that will make her fire herd disappear in record time!
Its been a long time... I hope the old regulars are still around! I certainly hope that Vail is still around, for I believe I have found the ultimate weapon that will make her fire herd disappear in record time!
Ive decided to take part in this scientific investigation.
I am pleased to report that my toilet flows anti-clokwise. Which is weird, because Im on the northern hemisphere.
There are two options:
a. The whole country has been magicaly transported into the southern hemipshere,
b. The Simpsons are wrong
And becasue, as we know, Simpsons are never wrong, the b option is rubbish, which leaves us with a.
That measn that all the natives of the southern hemisphere will now have to look out for drunk yodlers. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:45:53 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
"which seemed to be going in no particular direction," HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Well, THAT is hardly conclusive! LOL!!!
I do appreciate the effort, though. I remember when the Simpsons go to Australia, they had a super-expensive device in the US Embassy to make their toilets flow clockwise so it must be true.
Hey, JJ. Go flush a toilet for us!
Becks wrote:
Just for you Guido, I just went and flushed my toilet for investigative purposes. Amongst all the rushing water, which seemed to be going in no particular direction, I noted that it appeard to be swirling counter clockwise. I can't be sure though.
guidogodoy wrote:
I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report.
Speaking os Aussies, has anyone seen Devils child lately? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Sunday, October 24, 2010 5:31:04 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
Is late here...gonna have to crash...hope Murray listens to ma last message (about the GMT time) is so far out...but what do u expect from Aussies? lol. TC ladies...c ya soon - u rock.
Well, meteorite is out, Id say a third world war too... I cant help but to think that the answer has something to do with religion. Just tell me if Im on the right track here.
Tho, of course, Chuck Norris is the ultimate answer. We are just looking for the second best here. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, October 01, 2010 8:23:55 AM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...hyperbaton. Nice answer, although Chuck Norris is the best answer to any question!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now then...how about another riddle?
(Please excuse my crappy poetry skills)
I am the falling star,
I burn the sky and ground.
Man was lost and found,
bewildered by Heaven's scar.
Man awaits an ancient fate,
a united, melting mass,
by my hand a brand new age,
an age of fire, shall pass.
Yeah, me too. Maybe then I will find out what the question was. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:05:02 PM)
[_strat_] Wednesday, September 22, 2010 3:52:46 AM
While I understand vegans (well, sort of), Im really confused by the kinds of vegetarians that wont eat meat, but eat fish. Or eggs. Sure, there are people who cant for medical reasons (like allergies), but to be against brutality to cows, but not fish, just sounds a bit weird. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, September 21, 2010 2:26:55 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
A vegan is basically a hard-core vegetarian. Vegans avoid consuming or USING animals or animal byproducts.
ron h wrote:
Maybe I should have wrote...not a vegetarian...instead of Vegan. Not sure what the difference is. So, do tell your point of view, you've piqued my curiosity...
Head banger wrote:
LOL, the Vegans have a different view. my veiw is different yet. HA!
ron h wrote:
That's why I'm NOT a Vegan lol Every time I eat meat I feel I'm doing my part to curb global warming!! ; )
Head banger wrote:
I read cow farts were being blamed for global warming a while ago.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nah, not really. Cows and calves fart all the time. If it were "Once upon a time there was a cow that shot fire from its butthole...", then that would be pretty cool. And so would, "Once upon a time there was a guy who was known as 'The Rickroller Extraordinaire' ". (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, September 20, 2010 10:18:03 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
I think I know of one such person...
"Once upon a time there lived a farting calf..."
Wouldnt that be a great story?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
See? It would make your grandkids pay attention to you. I mean, who wouldn't want to know what it's like to go to the supermarket in a canoo? Or why?
_strat_ wrote:
Nice looking? Well, I suppose... Story to tell my grandchildren: "When I was your age, I had to go to the supermarket in a canoo!"
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Now there's a nice looking flood. Too bad it killed three people and gobbled up your basement, Strat. At least you're in one piece.
Somewhat better than those pics... This is actualy taken on the bus route that I take every day... Unfortunately, the water has already subsided, and it means I have to go to work tomorrow...
Uh.....no!
You are wrong , I do love cows,usually medium well right next to my baked potoato with lot`s a butter, sour cream and piles of BACON bits!!!(see I love pigs also)
_strat_ wrote:
You are a poopyhead cow-hater.
I demand that you state that in your profile.
guitardude wrote:
Strat, looks like you`ve taken Lady Vail`s Farting Cow technology a step further!
I pity that test pilot! Poopyhead huh?
_strat_ wrote:
Misty eyed? You mean like this: ?
spapad wrote:
Strat..................Now don't go all misty eyed.................But your my Favorite Asshole!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 11, 2010 3:16:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
I dont have top leaders - I am a freelance asshole!
guitardude wrote:
Yes, that is our first brigade,do not doubt their power. If you look a little closer you will see that they are the mother`s of all of your top leaders Strat! They just couldn`t stand what there little boys have become and decided to join us.
The "Mother`s of Power" thank you for the group photo.
_strat_ wrote:
Shit! I just found a pic of the kmacian 1st brigade! Now Im screwed...
Edited at: Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:08:18 PM Edited at: Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:08:36 PM
[_strat_] Wednesday, September 22, 2010 3:49:04 AM
Minitrue mark this post doubleplusungood crimethink. Miniluv remake goodthink fullwise.
Person Guidigodoy now marked doubleplusungood unperson. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, September 20, 2010 6:10:56 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Now just what the hell is this crap that popped up as my "word of the day" screensaver?
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stratocracy |strəˈtäkrəsē|
noun ( pl. -cies) rare
government by military forces.
• a military government.
Somewhat better than those pics... This is actualy taken on the bus route that I take every day... Unfortunately, the water has already subsided, and it means I have to go to work tomorrow...
Nice looking? Well, I suppose... Story to tell my grandchildren: "When I was your age, I had to go to the supermarket in a canoo!" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Monday, September 20, 2010 8:20:33 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Now there's a nice looking flood. Too bad it killed three people and gobbled up your basement, Strat. At least you're in one piece.
Somewhat better than those pics... This is actualy taken on the bus route that I take every day... Unfortunately, the water has already subsided, and it means I have to go to work tomorrow...
Sorry if my Russian isnt the best... But there you go. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Konstantin8 from Monday, September 20, 2010 9:39:07 PM)
Somewhat better than those pics... This is actualy taken on the bus route that I take every day... Unfortunately, the water has already subsided, and it means I have to go to work tomorrow...
Actualy, you dont know how they said it... Hebrew doesnt have consonants in written language, they simply write it JHW. It can be Jehowah. Then again, it can also be Jahwe, Johwa,...
Oh, you wanna throw rocks? Phew! Not a drop of an intellectual in you, you... Poopyhead...
guidogodoy wrote:
OH OH ... d'ja hear that all? Now he's gone and said it: "Jehowah!"
_strat_ wrote:
I may be getting one soon, but Im not sharing....
Correction: Im safe and sound in my attic. Turns out its worth having to clean pigeon droppings from the roof window every now and then. As for the vessel, I am tempted to go to a nearby hill to see how the Jehowahs witnesses are progressing with their ark.
guidogodoy wrote:
Why can't I read the text? Perhaps I want a SiOL Box!
Nice little flood ya got going there. Glad to hear that you are safe and sound on your vessel, Commander.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, for once something interesting happened here too... This year, we didnt have to go to the coast to swim.
Actualy, you dont know how they said it... Hebrew doesnt have consonants in written language, they simply write it JHW. It can be Jehowah. Then again, it can also be Jahwe, Johwa,...
Oh, you wanna throw rocks? Phew! Not a drop of an intellectual in you, you... Poopyhead...
OH OH ... d'ja hear that all? Now he's gone and said it: "Jehowah!"
_strat_ wrote:
I may be getting one soon, but Im not sharing....
Correction: Im safe and sound in my attic. Turns out its worth having to clean pigeon droppings from the roof window every now and then. As for the vessel, I am tempted to go to a nearby hill to see how the Jehowahs witnesses are progressing with their ark.
guidogodoy wrote:
Why can't I read the text? Perhaps I want a SiOL Box!
Nice little flood ya got going there. Glad to hear that you are safe and sound on your vessel, Commander.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, for once something interesting happened here too... This year, we didnt have to go to the coast to swim.
Correction: Im safe and sound in my attic. Turns out its worth having to clean pigeon droppings from the roof window every now and then. As for the vessel, I am tempted to go to a nearby hill to see how the Jehowahs witnesses are progressing with their ark.
You are a poopyhead cow-hater.
I demand that you state that in your profile. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Monday, September 13, 2010 6:10:02 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Strat, looks like you`ve taken Lady Vail`s Farting Cow technology a step further!
I pity that test pilot! Poopyhead huh?
_strat_ wrote:
Misty eyed? You mean like this: ?
spapad wrote:
Strat..................Now don't go all misty eyed.................But your my Favorite Asshole!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 11, 2010 3:16:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
I dont have top leaders - I am a freelance asshole!
guitardude wrote:
Yes, that is our first brigade,do not doubt their power. If you look a little closer you will see that they are the mother`s of all of your top leaders Strat! They just couldn`t stand what there little boys have become and decided to join us.
The "Mother`s of Power" thank you for the group photo.
_strat_ wrote:
Shit! I just found a pic of the kmacian 1st brigade! Now Im screwed...
Edited at: Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:08:18 PM Edited at: Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:08:36 PM
Misty eyed? You mean like this: ? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:07:53 PM)
spapad wrote:
Strat..................Now don't go all misty eyed.................But your my Favorite Asshole!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 11, 2010 3:16:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
I dont have top leaders - I am a freelance asshole!
guitardude wrote:
Yes, that is our first brigade,do not doubt their power. If you look a little closer you will see that they are the mother`s of all of your top leaders Strat! They just couldn`t stand what there little boys have become and decided to join us.
The "Mother`s of Power" thank you for the group photo.
_strat_ wrote:
Shit! I just found a pic of the kmacian 1st brigade! Now Im screwed...
Edited at: Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:08:18 PM Edited at: Saturday, September 11, 2010 6:08:36 PM
Well, I can always call you names... Poopyhead. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, September 11, 2010 5:56:45 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Now Strat, there`s no need in any name calling, even towards yourself. May I recomend a little help from Tony Robbins, he`s a great motivational speaker that can help with any esteem issue`s you may be having out there all alone in Stratland.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont have top leaders - I am a freelance asshole!
guitardude wrote:
Yes, that is our first brigade,do not doubt their power. If you look a little closer you will see that they are the mother`s of all of your top leaders Strat! They just couldn`t stand what there little boys have become and decided to join us.
The "Mother`s of Power" thank you for the group photo.
_strat_ wrote:
Shit! I just found a pic of the kmacian 1st brigade! Now Im screwed...
I dont have top leaders - I am a freelance asshole! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, September 11, 2010 7:52:39 AM)
guitardude wrote:
Yes, that is our first brigade,do not doubt their power. If you look a little closer you will see that they are the mother`s of all of your top leaders Strat! They just couldn`t stand what there little boys have become and decided to join us.
The "Mother`s of Power" thank you for the group photo.
_strat_ wrote:
Shit! I just found a pic of the kmacian 1st brigade! Now Im screwed...
FYI, I dont need to add anything fishy to my cooking to make it deadly. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, September 10, 2010 9:55:51 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"Bandwidth exceeded". Boy, I miss the red X.
Hmmm...I would not trust Strat to feed all of us. He might add something fishy to our dinners, even deadly. Remember, he plots to take over the kingdom!
spapad wrote:
I spoke to Strat, and he is willing to become the Gordon Ramsey of Kmacia. Stituation Neutralized. LOL
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Wonderful! Welcome to the not-dark side, PK87. Good to have you with us. I shall give you your new weapon very soon. Do what you must to defend your title.
Sir Guitardude. Please forgive me. When I say 'bad cooking', I only say that because it did not appeal to human tastes. The farting calf, however, loved it, and what is important at her young age is her happiness. As they say in the Southwestern region of the kingdom where I am stationed, "great cheese (cutting) comes from happy cows". So yes, thank you for playing a part in the development of her power of extreme flatulence. (Quoting Message by Painkiller87 from Friday, September 10, 2010 8:01:40 AM)
Painkiller87 wrote:
It is so beautiful, I cannot resist for I have never seen such a creation before. Very well, your offer is accepted! Now let me finish off these posers who are trying to dethrone me as master ninja!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
PK87. I have seen from your training and hard work that you are indeed a formidable warrior. I am offering you the opportunity to fight for the Kmacian Crown. As a reward, you shall receive a new weapon:
a farting calf.
My farting cow gave birth to her some time ago, and after rigorous training and a strict diet of bean burritos and Sir Guitardude's bad cooking, she has become a flatulating bovine monster capable of downing thousands of armies with her stench. Should you accept, she could be a vital addition to your already effective arsenal of weapons and tricks.
Painkiller87 wrote:
Hmm war? And here I thought all seemed peaceful with just the sneaky infidel running around. If anyone wants to hire my services and a secret weapon, let me know.....I will hide in the shadows and wait for the highest bidder to whoever wants the help more...... Edited at: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:40:25 PM
Greece is 11 million. Tho it increases by 2 million drunk Brits every summer. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, September 03, 2010 11:47:32 PM)
Becks wrote:
LOL! We may have a bigger land mass than Greece, but we have a much smaller population. Not sure what Greeces population is but ours is about 4 million. Sparse really.
spapad wrote:
Thanks! Then you got it all over Greece. Their land mass equals about Georgia, but surprisingly so they are the country with the most amount of beaches, if you can call rocky nooks beachs. Would not qualify in the American "Smug" vernacular. LOL
Becks wrote:
According to the 'research' I just did, our land mass is similar to that of Oregon or Colorado, it sits in between those two lol.
spapad wrote:
Got to say, I wonder.............and you probably know better than me. What U.S. state takes up the same land mass as New Zealand? I'm very interested to know that. Why? I don't konw. I guess I just want to add it to the endless trivia that already occupies my mind. LOL
Becks wrote:
Haha woops Daily Mail! Ah well, NZ is so small in the scheme of distances in the States they probably can be considered as being close together.
spapad wrote:
Damn, here I am half a world away trying to decide how the Daily Mail took that location as being near Wellington?? I guess once you get off your own front porch things just get more generalized. WTF!? I suppose it's like going to a city and getting lost via Mapquest. They will get you there all the way, and then fuck up the last turn! lol
Becks wrote:
Just one of the many wonderful places here, not to trumpet my own country LOL but I love NZ, there's such variation in the landscapes, it's just an awesome place that I am fortunate enough to call home.
Shit day today though LOL!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Here I am half a planet away and am in awe just looking at pictures.
Becks wrote:
I just read somewhere that the plane burst in to flames shortly after takeoff, not sure how accurate that is though, still a developing story. A skydiving plane, it'll mostly be tourists I daresay, unfortunately. It is a lovely glacier, I have been there and it is awe inspiring.
guidogodoy wrote:
Just read all about it. How sad. Skydiving plane, eh? I'd be curious to see what caused it.
BEAUTIFUL glacier. It would be great to be able to hike around there. Not so sure about skydiving in the mountains off and onto a giant moving body of ice.
Becks wrote:
Yeah we've had heaps of news about the mining disaster, who gives a stuff about stupid Paris Hilton!
Far out today should just be declared over for NZ, there's been a plane crash at a place called Fox Glacier (on the south island also) with reports of 9 being killed. Holy hell....
guidogodoy wrote:
Wow. That didn't hit any of our news here in Nowhere, USA. I just had to look it up online.
Glad to hear you and yours are alright, Becks.
News really sucks. While I can hear all about Paris Hilton's latest drug arrest 24/7, one has to search for actual news. Just reading up on the mining disaster in Chile, for example. Not a WORD of it on the 100+ channels of crap I have on TV. Imagine being trapped in a hole for 4+ months. Sure makes Paris seem petty.
In reality you take a chance living anywhere in NZ, as the whole country is astride a fault line. It's only a matter of time before an enormous one hits unfortunately. The time this one struck has a lot to do with the fact there has been no deaths, it struck at 4:35am local time.
Christchruch is on this map here, so you can see where it is relative to other cities :
spapad wrote:
From what I see about that section of NZ. It's been changing for years, if not eons. It's like California, you take the chance to live there. Right near Wellington was it not? Glad you were not present my friend and that no major death occured with this one. First thing I thought about when I read that today in the papers online, was please don't let Becks be near that! I'm selfish. I want my friends to be safe first, then I'll think about the rest. Glad you were not there.
Becks wrote:
Hi everyone, been away for a couple of days at a meeting but back home now. Been a massive earthquake in a city on the South Island called Christchurch, I used to live there, and ironically don't remember ever experiencing an earthquake in the 3 years I was there, but heaps of small ones in the nearly two years I've been back on the North Island! Parts of the central city are in ruins, but there have been no deaths thank God, two men have been seriously injured and there have been other minor injuries. Water mains have burst and seweage lines have burst too, hopefully that is all under control by now, or soon.
Well, I heard about this on the radio this morning, (there was nothing concerning Paris tho) and it was a great relief to hear that no one has been killed in such a catastrophe. Then, 5 minutes later they told about the plane crash. Shit, if its not one thing its the other.
He is probably not a member there because they charge people for it. You have to be a member of the official fan club (which costs something) before you can post there.
As for Bruce, I say he was an excelent vocalist. Unfortunately, his voice hasnt aged as goog as Robs, and he never really was as good as Rob. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:40:44 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I agree,Bruce is a very excellent vocalist but he is just not in Rob's league in my opinion,but its just an opinion so it doesn't make it right or wrong.I suppose if we were at the Iron Maiden forum it would be the other way hailing Bruce.I'm not sure why Brian isn't a member of the official Iron Maiden forum,maybe he is and he still posts here? lol! I think it goes beyond this forum,Rob is the Metal God and metal veterans know it,Maiden fans "know it".
HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS wrote:
You know J.D., I always find it hilarious that when people compare Bruce to Rob, they always talk about Bruce running around on stage as their reason for why Bruce is better.... ? They NEVER talk about actual vocal ability because they CAN'T and they know it! Of course Bruce runs around on stage more than Rob, he's got 4 minutes per song with nothing to do! I don't know about anyone else, but I want to hear the front man SING! And NO ONE does it better than Rob!
As for Rob's outfits in Priest and Halford, they all kick ass IMO. I just happen to really love the painkiller tour.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
No,Bruce is not "just as good" as Rob Halford as Rob Halford is better Brian. And so the fuck what if Bruce moves around more than Rob,whats that prove and what does that have to do with the voice?Rob's still a better frontman and sounds better.
And that pic. you posted was not Rob Halford of Judas Priest,that is Fight,a project outside of Judas Priest wich has nothing to do with Rob's aesthetics in Judas Priest. From the "end" of the 1978 Stained Class tour till 2010 Rob has supported a 100% total "metal" aesthetic (except for the Turbo tour) while he was in Judas Priest. Bruce is extremely boring from the visual point of things.
Rob looks anything but boring,even if you don't care for his modern day look,his long black leather coats with tons of studs and spikes on them,his black leather pants,vests,with studs,boots,gloves,ect...still looks "metal" and looks "cool" on stage and in photos ect...you can beg to differ but just an observation,your the only individual on this website and off that has ever disliked Rob's current look/image,we have all said we liked other outfits better,but nobody has ever complained about his "metal" image these days,your the only one so he must be doing something right.
Brian_Evans wrote:
Bruce is one of the best frontmen of all time. Juat as good as Rob Halford, not saying he's better but just as good. Actually he moves around more than Halford does. You can look back at that pic. I posted of Rob Halford in fight and see he looked totally unmetal. Yeah I know its not Priest but its still Rob Halford.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I never said there was "cracker",I am just saying that Bruce sucks when it comes to metal aesthetics,he is fucking boring as hell.Thats all.
Brian_Evans wrote:
There's no written code that says you have to look metal all the time. "cracker"
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
And we were discussing how "unmetal" Bruce Dickinson looks on a consistant basis,you forgot to mention that "cracker".
Brian_Evans wrote:
Discuss all you want Ron. I would love to hear your opinion on Maiden. We were discussing how metal Maiden and Priest looked until the local smart crackers broke out in here. Ha!
ron h wrote:
I came here to discuss Maiden (since there's no Priest discussion going on anywhere) and I couldn't find any here either.
Hey, hey, hey! No dissing the Mad Max! Racist or not, Mel Gibson is a great actor...
Besides, what does cracker even mean here? I thought it was a black American slang for white people. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, August 29, 2010 5:59:18 PM)
spapad wrote:
And is it just too cooinky-dinky that Bwain choose a vid from one of the most ousted racist of our day?? He and Mel must have a bunch of hate in common.
Way to go Bwian!
(Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, August 29, 2010 4:20:04 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup, the wording there also struck me as being very odd.
spapad wrote:
Why does Bwian like the word "cracker" so much? Could he be a neo nazi scumbag? I bet he sympathizes with just the likes of those people.
No LOL here, bet he is one of them.
Strat, I`m not quite sure if that was meant in friendship or hostility, Barney is such a form of torture! I think a ride on the Hell Beast will clear my mind of that damn song!! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, August 27, 2010 6:04:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, why dont we put our hostilities aside a bit, and relax...
A good hard rocking song to wash away our differences:
But Barney really sucks and isn't even funny! Bleah! Now,..........silly person.............go back to your true destiny!
_strat_ wrote:
I cant help it - the minute I saw Barney, Rick was forgotten.
spapad wrote:
The fact that the link was NOT a rick roll is EXACTLY why Rick now wants you DEAD!! HA!!
And you have done ALL OF THE ABOVE TO RICK..............................................................................TRAITOR!!!
spapad wrote:
Oh shit. Even Astley is coming out against you strat! My sympathies.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, why dont we put our hostilities aside a bit, and relax...
A good hard rocking song to wash away our differences:
But Barney really sucks and isn't even funny! Bleah! Now,..........silly person.............go back to your true destiny!
_strat_ wrote:
I cant help it - the minute I saw Barney, Rick was forgotten.
spapad wrote:
The fact that the link was NOT a rick roll is EXACTLY why Rick now wants you DEAD!! HA!!
And you have done ALL OF THE ABOVE TO RICK..............................................................................TRAITOR!!!
spapad wrote:
Oh shit. Even Astley is coming out against you strat! My sympathies.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, why dont we put our hostilities aside a bit, and relax...
A good hard rocking song to wash away our differences:
But Barney really sucks and isn't even funny! Bleah! Now,..........silly person.............go back to your true destiny!
_strat_ wrote:
I cant help it - the minute I saw Barney, Rick was forgotten.
spapad wrote:
The fact that the link was NOT a rick roll is EXACTLY why Rick now wants you DEAD!! HA!!
And you have done ALL OF THE ABOVE TO RICK..............................................................................TRAITOR!!!
spapad wrote:
Oh shit. Even Astley is coming out against you strat! My sympathies.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, why dont we put our hostilities aside a bit, and relax...
A good hard rocking song to wash away our differences:
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Strat, I`m not quite sure if that was meant in friendship or hostility, Barney is such a form of torture! I think a ride on the Hell Beast will clear my mind of that damn song!! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, August 27, 2010 6:04:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, why dont we put our hostilities aside a bit, and relax...
A good hard rocking song to wash away our differences:
I cant help it - the minute I saw Barney, Rick was forgotten. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:29:27 AM)
spapad wrote:
The fact that the link was NOT a rick roll is EXACTLY why Rick now wants you DEAD!! HA!!
And you have done ALL OF THE ABOVE TO RICK..............................................................................TRAITOR!!!
spapad wrote:
Oh shit. Even Astley is coming out against you strat! My sympathies.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, why dont we put our hostilities aside a bit, and relax...
A good hard rocking song to wash away our differences:
That is generaly a consequence of hitting a wrong button, or to paraphrase that isssue, it is a logical consequence of the human subject (you), mistaking the cyber location of a certain thing that opens a screen in which you can insert various symbols that can be read by other human subjects, via the apparatus which houses many keys with those symbols. While the sign to open that screen is identical in all posts, you have to press the symbol above the exactly correct post, to be able to quote the post that you wish to quote.
In short: you pressed the wrong button. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:31:00 AM)
No, not Den, tho he could drop by every now and then too. Or maybe he does, just that Im not here to see it.
I mean the guy that kept making those funny pics about us. Could be that it was the same person that pretended to be Den, but I dont remember that anymore. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, August 28, 2010 7:29:52 AM)
Head banger wrote:
you mean den, or the guy who pretended to be like him?
_strat_ wrote:
Probably more than two, but over the last few years... They are not what they used to be, anyway. Even n00bs arent the same anymore.
Anyone remembers the "Autocad guy"? Whatever happened to him? I thought he was really funny.
spapad wrote:
No, that's just one of the fucktards. Only two people involved, or maybe only one, but yeh, if you speak your mind you'll get those. LOL Welcome to the club Paor! Nothing to do but laugh it off! Come and join the dark side in the "lounge". lol That big V.I.P. couch in the virtual sky. Filled with all your best friends! We are all members of the ignore club. Everyone of us whom you like to talk to and joke with, if you check out our profiles we all have ignores! HA!! Could not make it up if we tried. LOL
paorcamp wrote:
HA! I noticed I got 2 not long ago...and today I noticed another one...I think somebody's been enjoying the power of the "ignore" button...HA!...
No, that's just one of the fucktards. Only two people involved, or maybe only one, but yeh, if you speak your mind you'll get those. LOL Welcome to the club Paor! Nothing to do but laugh it off! Come and join the dark side in the "lounge". lol That big V.I.P. couch in the virtual sky. Filled with all your best friends! We are all members of the ignore club. Everyone of us whom you like to talk to and joke with, if you check out our profiles we all have ignores! HA!! Could not make it up if we tried. LOL
paorcamp wrote:
HA! I noticed I got 2 not long ago...and today I noticed another one...I think somebody's been enjoying the power of the "ignore" button...HA!...
Besides, if you follow the link, you would see that I am honest for a change. Its not a rickroll. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, August 27, 2010 10:55:37 PM)
spapad wrote:
Oh shit. Even Astley is coming out against you strat! My sympathies.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, why dont we put our hostilities aside a bit, and relax...
A good hard rocking song to wash away our differences:
a. Give me up
b. Let me down
c. Run around and desert me [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, August 27, 2010 10:55:37 PM)
spapad wrote:
Oh shit. Even Astley is coming out against you strat! My sympathies.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, why dont we put our hostilities aside a bit, and relax...
A good hard rocking song to wash away our differences:
Maybe a number 2... Maybe he was just... "Playing hard to get".
The most disturbing thing here is that the guy who made the video... Made the video - instead of at least trying to help. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Sunday, August 22, 2010 2:29:27 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
the question is...why would he take his pants off???
The sad thing is, that even with a cowboy hat, that guy looks more metal than Dickinson. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, August 27, 2010 1:27:23 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
What the fuck happened? Take a look at this shit,its Bruce solo and is that Roy Z with a country cowboy hat on? That spanks of poor aesthetics,Bruce dresses the same way for Iron Maiden,boring "street cloths" only he wears a stupid fucking Beastie Boy rap hat. Maiden never were really decked out in spikes and they used to wear embarrassing spandex,but at least they could sport leathers like in that photo that shithead posted. Bruce nowadays spanks of lame aesthetics and its boring.
...youre still five short of the VIP lodge... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:19:43 PM)
Becks wrote:
Everyone else is right Budred, even I have my share of ignores LOL!!!! Don't let it bother you, the accounts ignoring you are insignificant.
Budred wrote:
Ignored again. I wonder what I did this time?
Let's start a poll:
Should I stay or should I go? You decide!
I tried to leave a couple of times but I really like being here. I'm not here to anger people,
I'm just trying to get along with fellow Priest fans.
Instead of saying "I'm out" only to return again, I'll let the majority decide. Just say "stay" or
"go". I'll check back in a few days. If the majority is overwhelming I'll abide by the results.
I'm not looking for sympathy or support, just honesty.
It was actually 11 (not 10) = the magic number of "ignores" to get into the private club. LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
You wouldnt?If I remember right, we even used to brag who has more ignores... Back in the olden days. It was certainly almost a rite of passage to have at least ten ignores after your first month.
Anyway, yeah, nothing to get upset about... At the very least, if you have an ignore, that means that the person who ignored you took some time for you.
Head banger wrote:
bud there are people who create accounts just to ignore users with them. sad fact of life, if you can call creating identities here in order to ignore people a life. I wouldnt give an ignore a single thought.
Budred wrote:
Ignored again. I wonder what I did this time?
Let's start a poll:
Should I stay or should I go? You decide!
I tried to leave a couple of times but I really like being here. I'm not here to anger people,
I'm just trying to get along with fellow Priest fans.
Instead of saying "I'm out" only to return again, I'll let the majority decide. Just say "stay" or
"go". I'll check back in a few days. If the majority is overwhelming I'll abide by the results.
I'm not looking for sympathy or support, just honesty.
You wouldnt?If I remember right, we even used to brag who has more ignores... Back in the olden days. It was certainly almost a rite of passage to have at least ten ignores after your first month.
Anyway, yeah, nothing to get upset about... At the very least, if you have an ignore, that means that the person who ignored you took some time for you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, August 26, 2010 5:33:30 AM)
Head banger wrote:
bud there are people who create accounts just to ignore users with them. sad fact of life, if you can call creating identities here in order to ignore people a life. I wouldnt give an ignore a single thought.
Budred wrote:
Ignored again. I wonder what I did this time?
Let's start a poll:
Should I stay or should I go? You decide!
I tried to leave a couple of times but I really like being here. I'm not here to anger people,
I'm just trying to get along with fellow Priest fans.
Instead of saying "I'm out" only to return again, I'll let the majority decide. Just say "stay" or
"go". I'll check back in a few days. If the majority is overwhelming I'll abide by the results.
I'm not looking for sympathy or support, just honesty.
Unfortuately, thats as much talibannies as there ever was... But 2DTV is a great show anyway. Too bad theres only some clips of it on YouTube. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Wednesday, August 18, 2010 4:45:42 PM)
guitardude wrote:
I would like to see a longer version of that! Very funny indeed.
_strat_ wrote:
Damn kids, I dont know what will become of them, watching crap like this.
Not to say that Teletubbies cant be made good, tho...
But thats just 25 seconds versus years of torture.
guitardude wrote:
Teletubbies! OMG, those were my oldest`s favorites for a few years. Should meet a fate as bad as Barney`s!
_strat_ wrote:
You mean kids actauly watched this??? Poor little things...
This is a job for my special brigade.
guitardude wrote:
Wow, someone who doesn`t know who "Barney" is, you are such a fortunate man! It`s a character from a little kid`s show that was broadcast on our Public access stations here . It was such a dorky thing, but the little tykes loved it. I think it`s been cancelled now,GOD I hope so! But many a parent suffered thru hours of this singing and dancing dinosaur!
You may be on to something with Elvis, but more along the lines of he is Barney, not just hiding in the ass! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, August 16, 2010 2:08:42 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
SHIT!!! That ass is HUGE! Now I know where Elvis is hiding...
What is that?
guitardude wrote:
Would a Purple Dinosaur scare you more?
_strat_ wrote:
Just so long as its not purple...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh, no! A troop of gummy bears!! I must not fear them, though, for my farting cow shall melt them into nothingness.
_strat_ wrote:
After the clusterfail with the penguins, I am regrouping my forces.
Hmm... Looking at this, I think I know what Lady Gagas favourite show is... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, August 17, 2010 2:00:55 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
You mean kids actauly watched this??? Poor little things...
This is a job for my special brigade.
guitardude wrote:
Wow, someone who doesn`t know who "Barney" is, you are such a fortunate man! It`s a character from a little kid`s show that was broadcast on our Public access stations here . It was such a dorky thing, but the little tykes loved it. I think it`s been cancelled now,GOD I hope so! But many a parent suffered thru hours of this singing and dancing dinosaur!
You may be on to something with Elvis, but more along the lines of he is Barney, not just hiding in the ass! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, August 16, 2010 2:08:42 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
SHIT!!! That ass is HUGE! Now I know where Elvis is hiding...
What is that?
guitardude wrote:
Would a Purple Dinosaur scare you more?
_strat_ wrote:
Just so long as its not purple...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh, no! A troop of gummy bears!! I must not fear them, though, for my farting cow shall melt them into nothingness.
_strat_ wrote:
After the clusterfail with the penguins, I am regrouping my forces.
Teletubbies! OMG, those were my oldest`s favorites for a few years. Should meet a fate as bad as Barney`s!
_strat_ wrote:
You mean kids actauly watched this??? Poor little things...
This is a job for my special brigade.
guitardude wrote:
Wow, someone who doesn`t know who "Barney" is, you are such a fortunate man! It`s a character from a little kid`s show that was broadcast on our Public access stations here . It was such a dorky thing, but the little tykes loved it. I think it`s been cancelled now,GOD I hope so! But many a parent suffered thru hours of this singing and dancing dinosaur!
You may be on to something with Elvis, but more along the lines of he is Barney, not just hiding in the ass! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, August 16, 2010 2:08:42 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
SHIT!!! That ass is HUGE! Now I know where Elvis is hiding...
What is that?
guitardude wrote:
Would a Purple Dinosaur scare you more?
_strat_ wrote:
Just so long as its not purple...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh, no! A troop of gummy bears!! I must not fear them, though, for my farting cow shall melt them into nothingness.
_strat_ wrote:
After the clusterfail with the penguins, I am regrouping my forces.
Wow, someone who doesn`t know who "Barney" is, you are such a fortunate man! It`s a character from a little kid`s show that was broadcast on our Public access stations here . It was such a dorky thing, but the little tykes loved it. I think it`s been cancelled now,GOD I hope so! But many a parent suffered thru hours of this singing and dancing dinosaur!
You may be on to something with Elvis, but more along the lines of he is Barney, not just hiding in the ass! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, August 16, 2010 2:08:42 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
SHIT!!! That ass is HUGE! Now I know where Elvis is hiding...
What is that?
guitardude wrote:
Would a Purple Dinosaur scare you more?
_strat_ wrote:
Just so long as its not purple...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh, no! A troop of gummy bears!! I must not fear them, though, for my farting cow shall melt them into nothingness.
_strat_ wrote:
After the clusterfail with the penguins, I am regrouping my forces.
My monkey will follow you home. Just to make sure you behave. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:37:37 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
hmmm...you might have this battle strat, but the war isn't over...we're not finished here...
_strat_ wrote:
So... They sit their buts on top of each other heads...
I think this one is for the thong thread.
paorcamp wrote:
done!...but there is more...
_strat_ wrote:
You love a lifestyle blogzine, and expect me to be afraid of that.?
Theyre NOT hiding! Its called formation! They will form up on your ass! Boys, get him!
paorcamp wrote:
HA! maybe you had more flying saucers...but there's nothing you can do against...lemme see...bubu....??...the...great...
you see...there are a few of your "men" already hiding behind their comrades, like the forth one in the first "orange...crew..." line
_strat_ wrote:
After the clusterfail with the penguins, I am regrouping my forces.
HA! maybe you had more flying saucers...but there's nothing you can do against...lemme see...bubu....??...the...great...
you see...there are a few of your "men" already hiding behind their comrades, like the forth one in the first "orange...crew..." line (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:46:32 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
After the clusterfail with the penguins, I am regrouping my forces.
The tactic is that the enemy eats them and gets a toothache. Or something. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:34:44 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Gummi Bears?
_strat_ wrote:
After the clusterfail with the penguins, I am regrouping my forces.
You love a lifestyle blogzine, and expect me to be afraid of that.?
Theyre NOT hiding! Its called formation! They will form up on your ass! Boys, get him! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:21:17 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
HA! maybe you had more flying saucers...but there's nothing you can do against...lemme see...bubu....??...the...great...
you see...there are a few of your "men" already hiding behind their comrades, like the forth one in the first "orange...crew..." line
_strat_ wrote:
After the clusterfail with the penguins, I am regrouping my forces.
Who in their right mind would try to outdrink Lemmy? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:17:39 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
Maiden i last roadied for on the Killers tour - i pretty much lost interest in the music after Powerslave - Despite their faults Motorhead are more consistent - tip = never try to out-drink Lemmy..or that crazy ass drummer Mickey..phew!
Oh, well... I guess that we should respect that then. Especialy if it comes from a cool goy like Lemmy.
Tho I think I will always think of them as metal. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:17:28 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Lemmy has said on several occasions in interviews that Motorhead are a rock and roll band,the heaviest! Before the first track of each show Lemmy announces "We are Motorhead and we play rock and roll". And he has been saying this for over 30 years now.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, but why do you consider Motorhead a rock band? I think that most of their stuff (recent most of all) is very metal.
The lates Maiden album is good, yeah. But I agree - its like its from a different band. No wonder they play their old stuff on concerts.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Its "sad" that a "rock band" like Motorhead are actually "harder" and much "heavier" than a supposed to be heavy metal band in Iron Maiden. I don't think Iron Maiden play heavy metal anymore when they write studio albums,its more like progressive rock,even the AMALAD album that I still like,its not "metal" anymore.
rocking roger wrote:
well i would say motorhead of course as the leader and been there done that but it is maiden as well . but yes motorhead first got to say
I agree, but why do you consider Motorhead a rock band? I think that most of their stuff (recent most of all) is very metal.
The lates Maiden album is good, yeah. But I agree - its like its from a different band. No wonder they play their old stuff on concerts. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:57:26 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Its "sad" that a "rock band" like Motorhead are actually "harder" and much "heavier" than a supposed to be heavy metal band in Iron Maiden. I don't think Iron Maiden play heavy metal anymore when they write studio albums,its more like progressive rock,even the AMALAD album that I still like,its not "metal" anymore.
rocking roger wrote:
well i would say motorhead of course as the leader and been there done that but it is maiden as well . but yes motorhead first got to say
Fine, fine... Im sure Becks will be different, lol. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:49:36 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
I think not somehow..hehe
_strat_ wrote:
You can always take a pic with me, lol... But I charge people for that.
Necroticist wrote:
U lucky sod!! Vinnie is a hero of mine - seen a few masterclasses (please note his solo work is FAR better then the UFO rubbish) - Jen Batten? ya would be different cos she's hooked on the jazz/freeform style (or was last i heard) - saw her backing up Jeff Beck - what a pair...
Becks wrote:
Man I'm so jealous of you guys who get to see Ozzfest, LOL! Mind you my gig on saturday night was pretty cool, saw a couple of kiwi bands, Vinnie Moore of UFO, Jennifer Batten (her set was weird lol), Hail! and Slash. But to see Halford would be kick ass!
You can always take a pic with me, lol... But I charge people for that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:32:24 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
U lucky sod!! Vinnie is a hero of mine - seen a few masterclasses (please note his solo work is FAR better then the UFO rubbish) - Jen Batten? ya would be different cos she's hooked on the jazz/freeform style (or was last i heard) - saw her backing up Jeff Beck - what a pair...
Becks wrote:
Man I'm so jealous of you guys who get to see Ozzfest, LOL! Mind you my gig on saturday night was pretty cool, saw a couple of kiwi bands, Vinnie Moore of UFO, Jennifer Batten (her set was weird lol), Hail! and Slash. But to see Halford would be kick ass!
Ah well... Lets not try to make this into a flame war...
Now, the issue is much more complicated than that.
First of all, a bit of a correction: when we say "former Yugoslavian" we usualy (at least here, in former Yugoslavia) refer to the period before 1991, when the country was still whole. What was around in 1999 was called Yugoslavia, but actualy it was only a small remnant of it, comprising only two out of former six republics and less than half of the population of the original state. Thats why we refer to it as Serbia and Montenegro, or just Serbia.
Now to the conflict. Kosovo was not invaded, not in the usual meaning of the word - it was an autonomous province within Serbia, and the federal government in Belgrade had full jurisdiction over it. Federal military was always stationed there.
So much for terminology. As for the rest, yes, it did end quickly - at least the military part of it. The problem is that Kosovo is now a frozen conflict, that doesnt look like it will be properly resolved any time soon. And it certainly is creating new tensions between Russia and the West (since Russians and Serbs are traditional allies). Not to mention new hatred towards Albanians (which were always the least popular nationality in our former state; now even more so).
Now, as far as the intervention goes... Shit, I still say that a certain horny bastard from a certain house that as it happens is painted white... Should pay for it. Preferably with his head.
Strat
Just in case you did drift over here, I read up on the Nato attacks. It was only after lenghty negotiations that were obviously doomed that Nato acted to stop the former Yugoslavian military from attacking Kosovo, they had a massive troop and equipment build up around Kosovo, action had to be taken. Now should it have came to that, no way! But unfortunately, the powers that be have these great arsenal`s at their disposal`s and feel the need to prove themselves. Surprisingly , even the French backed the Nato troops.
Though Russia`s stance could have very well started the cold war all over again. Luckily it ended quickly. And at least all the major world powers are still friends. Theorectically anyway.
IDK whats whit my internet today... Been doing that shit all day. I think Im going to make some technichians life a misery over the phone tomorrow. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:04:57 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Ok, I can still see the pic. I did find info on that 117, It was March 27, 1999 on a plane that was built in 1982. It did not take a direct hit since the missle guidance couldn`t see it. They used proximity fuses and the flack took the plane down. pilot should have been more aware IMO.
But don`t blame the pilots, they are only carrying out orders given to them by their higher ups. But agreed, should move this elsewhere.
Better be careful of those slippers, they may be loaded expolsives.
_strat_ wrote:
Damn - good thing I described the pic, I see it has already turned into the hated symbol of a red X. For some reason, pics dont like me lately.
Anyway... Friends... IDK. Yeah, here on the site, sure. I will say that much tho: I was a kid when NATO bombed Serbia, but I still remember it VERY well. NATO planes would take off in North Italy, and fly over us on their way to Serbia. We couldnt see them of course, but we knew they were there, allright, and we knew what they are about to do. And I still hold the opinion that whoever made the calls in that operation should be rounded up and tested for bullet impregnability. The shooting down of the F 117 was definately a highlight of that war, and Im glad the Serbs could pull it off.
But, I dont think that this is the thread for this - it is supposed to be fun. So, if we are going anywhere further, I suggest the Social issues thread. Its been pretty abandoned for a while, anyway.
Now, where are Guidos pink slippers? I need something to throw at him!
guitardude wrote:
I stand corrected! I had to dig a bit to find this one, but Strat you are right about the 117 in the pic. though it list`s no date, I`m willing to bet it was an early production version. As for the Pakistani F-16`s being owned, look no further than the description of who was piloting those aircraft. It is a known fact that we only supply the basic aircraft, everyone who puchases a plane from the US must install their own guidance and weaponry software.
But it`s a good thing we`re all friends now, so air superiority isn`t as big of an issue as it once was. But there is always the issue of who supplies what to whom that may strain those friendship`s.Iran had better train hard, nuff said on that. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:31:32 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, they keep copying it because it is an outstanding desing... As for stealth, does this canopy surrounded by Serbian soldiers look familiar?
F 117 brought down by an inventive AA team armed with an "obsolete" 1960s Soviet AA missile (S-125). Just for information: Iran acquired a much more modern S-300 to counter the threat from very non stealth F-15s and F-16s from Israel.
As for Su versus the new stealth Fs... Well, we will just have to wait and see. Chances are we wont see them actualy fighting each other for real soon, but my bet would be on our eastern cousins.
Tho we do have an incident between Pakistani F-16s and Indian Mig 29s, in which the Migs owned the Fs.
guitardude wrote:
Strat, relax my friend of course I do not want to spill your guts anywhere, you are a formidable foe in this land. But you are wrong on two counts, the F-117 was gone before your Soviet counter parts could even roll out of their bunks and the SU is short for .....Sucks!! Hell they can`t even create their own original designs, They keep copying a plane that is almost out dated. Just wait until the F-22 and the F-35 actually see combat. the rules of engagement will change. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:59:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you search this thread, you will find a user named Kmac, who is sort of the "king" of this thread. Its "Kmac the second" because there already was another thread like that in the newbie section, but we made another one here because the noobs kept spamming the old one, hence Kmac the second. I dont know why the first one was created (wasnt around in those ancient times), but in this one we sort of... "fight". All for fun, of course. Im actualy not an evil renegade king, and guitardude doesnt really want to spill my guts (actualy, Im not sure about the last one, but I hope its true). In any case, it IS a fact that Vail has a cow that farts fire and that Guido wears pink slippers when he thinks noone is watching.
Kmac himself is a member of this site, who hasnt been around for a while, and just occasionaly drops in every few months nowadays.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Just wondering: "What is kmac" and what is kmac the second?
Edited at: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:20:40 PM Edited at: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:22:30 PM
Very nice of Scott to get you in... Thats us tall people. We are very friendly. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:30:32 PM)
Becks wrote:
Ok guys, I have an AWESOME story to share! So last night was the G-Taranaki gig, incluing Hail! (with Ripper Owens on vocals and Scott Travis on drums) and Slash. The gig kicked ass. My friend I was with and I left just before Slash's gig finished so we could get to the venue of the sold out midnight gig and wait to catch Scott. We turned up and the security guy was like no he's not here and he's not meeting any of the public. We decided to wait anyways. My friend did all the talking to security people cos I am quite shy lol. She spots this dude and talks to him, an American guy called Dan, and he said yeah it should be fine to get an autograph, Scott is a nice guy really approachable etc. He said to just keep waiting cos they wouldn't be far away. So we waited and not long after a van turned up with the members of Hail! we went down and my friend spoke to him, said welcome to New Zealand, this is my friend Rebecca and she's a really big fan. He said 'Of me?!' being a bit silly lol and I pointed out my SFV shirt (which he would have noticed lol) and we shook hands and he said 'we're going to have a photo together right?' and so he put his arm around my shoulders and we had two pics together, and he signed a copy of Painkiller for me! I told him the set Hail! played was awesome and he said he found it a bit weird not playing on his normal drum kit, and I said I play drums too and he said well you'll know what I mean then and I was like yep sure do. He then asked my friend and I if we were going in to the gig. I said no we don't have tickets and he said 'What?!' and I said we only had tickets to the earlier show. So he turns to the guy Dan and says 'we've gotta get them in man!'!!! Dan was a bit incredulous then Scott said 'they're my guests' so we got taken in the back door to the sold out gig!!!! Holy crap! We saw Slash playing with Uli Jon Roth, Hail! played another small set, and when Slash went to come on he was standing about a metre away from me. What a hell of a night! Scott is such a nice friendly guy I was so happy to get to meet him and he was so generous with getting my friend and I in to the other gig (which was only for a couple hundred people). Here's the pics I took lol. Excuse the close up one of me and Scott I look a bit psycho cos I was very excited.
My signed copy of Painkiller it says 'To lovely Rebecca' hehe.
Damn - good thing I described the pic, I see it has already turned into the hated symbol of a red X. For some reason, pics dont like me lately.
Anyway... Friends... IDK. Yeah, here on the site, sure. I will say that much tho: I was a kid when NATO bombed Serbia, but I still remember it VERY well. NATO planes would take off in North Italy, and fly over us on their way to Serbia. We couldnt see them of course, but we knew they were there, allright, and we knew what they are about to do. And I still hold the opinion that whoever made the calls in that operation should be rounded up and tested for bullet impregnability. The shooting down of the F 117 was definately a highlight of that war, and Im glad the Serbs could pull it off.
But, I dont think that this is the thread for this - it is supposed to be fun. So, if we are going anywhere further, I suggest the Social issues thread. Its been pretty abandoned for a while, anyway.
Now, where are Guidos pink slippers? I need something to throw at him! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Sunday, August 15, 2010 12:05:05 PM)
guitardude wrote:
I stand corrected! I had to dig a bit to find this one, but Strat you are right about the 117 in the pic. though it list`s no date, I`m willing to bet it was an early production version. As for the Pakistani F-16`s being owned, look no further than the description of who was piloting those aircraft. It is a known fact that we only supply the basic aircraft, everyone who puchases a plane from the US must install their own guidance and weaponry software.
But it`s a good thing we`re all friends now, so air superiority isn`t as big of an issue as it once was. But there is always the issue of who supplies what to whom that may strain those friendship`s.Iran had better train hard, nuff said on that. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, August 15, 2010 2:31:32 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, they keep copying it because it is an outstanding desing... As for stealth, does this canopy surrounded by Serbian soldiers look familiar?
F 117 brought down by an inventive AA team armed with an "obsolete" 1960s Soviet AA missile (S-125). Just for information: Iran acquired a much more modern S-300 to counter the threat from very non stealth F-15s and F-16s from Israel.
As for Su versus the new stealth Fs... Well, we will just have to wait and see. Chances are we wont see them actualy fighting each other for real soon, but my bet would be on our eastern cousins.
Tho we do have an incident between Pakistani F-16s and Indian Mig 29s, in which the Migs owned the Fs.
guitardude wrote:
Strat, relax my friend of course I do not want to spill your guts anywhere, you are a formidable foe in this land. But you are wrong on two counts, the F-117 was gone before your Soviet counter parts could even roll out of their bunks and the SU is short for .....Sucks!! Hell they can`t even create their own original designs, They keep copying a plane that is almost out dated. Just wait until the F-22 and the F-35 actually see combat. the rules of engagement will change. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:59:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you search this thread, you will find a user named Kmac, who is sort of the "king" of this thread. Its "Kmac the second" because there already was another thread like that in the newbie section, but we made another one here because the noobs kept spamming the old one, hence Kmac the second. I dont know why the first one was created (wasnt around in those ancient times), but in this one we sort of... "fight". All for fun, of course. Im actualy not an evil renegade king, and guitardude doesnt really want to spill my guts (actualy, Im not sure about the last one, but I hope its true). In any case, it IS a fact that Vail has a cow that farts fire and that Guido wears pink slippers when he thinks noone is watching.
Kmac himself is a member of this site, who hasnt been around for a while, and just occasionaly drops in every few months nowadays.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Just wondering: "What is kmac" and what is kmac the second?
Edited at: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:20:40 PM Edited at: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:22:30 PM
ah, right. well then, there is no hope, although one could get the gist still with a lot of reading.
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. The beginning of this thread is lost in the grey depths of time... It was deleted, along with all other posts that were made before... I dont know when.
Head banger wrote:
if you spent 10 hours or so reading the whole thing from the start it might make more sense.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
_strat_ wrote:I don't know why the first one was created,but in this one we sort of...."fight".
Apparently I'm retarded because I still don't "get it".(lol!) Nevermind then.
_strat_ wrote:
If you search this thread, you will find a user named Kmac, who is sort of the "king" of this thread. Its "Kmac the second" because there already was another thread like that in the newbie section, but we made another one here because the noobs kept spamming the old one, hence Kmac the second. I dont know why the first one was created (wasnt around in those ancient times), but in this one we sort of... "fight". All for fun, of course. Im actualy not an evil renegade king, and guitardude doesnt really want to spill my guts (actualy, Im not sure about the last one, but I hope its true). In any case, it IS a fact that Vail has a cow that farts fire and that Guido wears pink slippers when he thinks noone is watching.
Kmac himself is a member of this site, who hasnt been around for a while, and just occasionaly drops in every few months nowadays.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Just wondering: "What is kmac" and what is kmac the second?
Nope. The beginning of this thread is lost in the grey depths of time... It was deleted, along with all other posts that were made before... I dont know when. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:05:57 AM)
Head banger wrote:
if you spent 10 hours or so reading the whole thing from the start it might make more sense.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
_strat_ wrote:I don't know why the first one was created,but in this one we sort of...."fight".
Apparently I'm retarded because I still don't "get it".(lol!) Nevermind then.
_strat_ wrote:
If you search this thread, you will find a user named Kmac, who is sort of the "king" of this thread. Its "Kmac the second" because there already was another thread like that in the newbie section, but we made another one here because the noobs kept spamming the old one, hence Kmac the second. I dont know why the first one was created (wasnt around in those ancient times), but in this one we sort of... "fight". All for fun, of course. Im actualy not an evil renegade king, and guitardude doesnt really want to spill my guts (actualy, Im not sure about the last one, but I hope its true). In any case, it IS a fact that Vail has a cow that farts fire and that Guido wears pink slippers when he thinks noone is watching.
Kmac himself is a member of this site, who hasnt been around for a while, and just occasionaly drops in every few months nowadays.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Just wondering: "What is kmac" and what is kmac the second?
NO! Brian Evans can have it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:29:57 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
yeah but the statue is probably in some ones living room right now.well if there is a iron maiden bar and she finds.lol. dickinsons statue.YOU CAN HAVE IT MAN..
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Id say that she should bring the statue, but since someone already nicked it... Well, maybe theres an Iron Maiden bar there, so she can steal Dickinsons.
hellrider 31038 wrote:
HELL YEAH thats awesome Vailant maybe you can bring us back some sovenneirs.i will take that MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLER wall.lol .somebody probably stole the statue.BREAAAKKKKKKIIINNNNGGGGGGGG THHHHHEEEEE LAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Thanks, everyone! Glad you liked the photos. And yes, Guido and Metalman, Dissident Aggressor was the correct answer.
JJ. Phantom A6 lives in Hannover, which is on the other side of Germany...so no, I haven't got to see him. But if I do, I'll tell him that you said hi.
One more pic. I went to this cafe earlier today. It was closed, but I'm hoping to go there eventually, hopefully before I have to leave. Only big disappointment is that the big statue of Rob that I've seen on the cafe's website isn't there.
HAAAAA!!!! Although they were black and not pink, I broke them yestrday. Fell UP the damn stairs. Damn Hello Kitty slipppers!!!
_strat_ wrote:
If you search this thread, you will find a user named Kmac, who is sort of the "king" of this thread. Its "Kmac the second" because there already was another thread like that in the newbie section, but we made another one here because the noobs kept spamming the old one, hence Kmac the second. I dont know why the first one was created (wasnt around in those ancient times), but in this one we sort of... "fight". All for fun, of course. Im actualy not an evil renegade king, and guitardude doesnt really want to spill my guts (actualy, Im not sure about the last one, but I hope its true). In any case, it IS a fact that Vail has a cow that farts fire and that Guido wears pink slippers when he thinks noone is watching.
Kmac himself is a member of this site, who hasnt been around for a while, and just occasionaly drops in every few months nowadays.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Just wondering: "What is kmac" and what is kmac the second?
Well, we compare cocks. Thats pretty much it. And its for fun. I think thats as simple as I can put it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, August 15, 2010 1:27:14 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
_strat_ wrote:I don't know why the first one was created,but in this one we sort of...."fight".
Apparently I'm retarded because I still don't "get it".(lol!) Nevermind then.
_strat_ wrote:
If you search this thread, you will find a user named Kmac, who is sort of the "king" of this thread. Its "Kmac the second" because there already was another thread like that in the newbie section, but we made another one here because the noobs kept spamming the old one, hence Kmac the second. I dont know why the first one was created (wasnt around in those ancient times), but in this one we sort of... "fight". All for fun, of course. Im actualy not an evil renegade king, and guitardude doesnt really want to spill my guts (actualy, Im not sure about the last one, but I hope its true). In any case, it IS a fact that Vail has a cow that farts fire and that Guido wears pink slippers when he thinks noone is watching.
Kmac himself is a member of this site, who hasnt been around for a while, and just occasionaly drops in every few months nowadays.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Just wondering: "What is kmac" and what is kmac the second?
Well, they keep copying it because it is an outstanding desing... As for stealth, does this canopy surrounded by Serbian soldiers look familiar?
F 117 brought down by an inventive AA team armed with an "obsolete" 1960s Soviet AA missile (S-125). Just for information: Iran acquired a much more modern S-300 to counter the threat from very non stealth F-15s and F-16s from Israel.
As for Su versus the new stealth Fs... Well, we will just have to wait and see. Chances are we wont see them actualy fighting each other for real soon, but my bet would be on our eastern cousins.
Tho we do have an incident between Pakistani F-16s and Indian Mig 29s, in which the Migs owned the Fs. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:20:13 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Strat, relax my friend of course I do not want to spill your guts anywhere, you are a formidable foe in this land. But you are wrong on two counts, the F-117 was gone before your Soviet counter parts could even roll out of their bunks and the SU is short for .....Sucks!! Hell they can`t even create their own original designs, They keep copying a plane that is almost out dated. Just wait until the F-22 and the F-35 actually see combat. the rules of engagement will change. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:59:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you search this thread, you will find a user named Kmac, who is sort of the "king" of this thread. Its "Kmac the second" because there already was another thread like that in the newbie section, but we made another one here because the noobs kept spamming the old one, hence Kmac the second. I dont know why the first one was created (wasnt around in those ancient times), but in this one we sort of... "fight". All for fun, of course. Im actualy not an evil renegade king, and guitardude doesnt really want to spill my guts (actualy, Im not sure about the last one, but I hope its true). In any case, it IS a fact that Vail has a cow that farts fire and that Guido wears pink slippers when he thinks noone is watching.
Kmac himself is a member of this site, who hasnt been around for a while, and just occasionaly drops in every few months nowadays.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Just wondering: "What is kmac" and what is kmac the second?
Edited at: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:20:40 PM Edited at: Saturday, August 14, 2010 7:22:30 PM
If you search this thread, you will find a user named Kmac, who is sort of the "king" of this thread. Its "Kmac the second" because there already was another thread like that in the newbie section, but we made another one here because the noobs kept spamming the old one, hence Kmac the second. I dont know why the first one was created (wasnt around in those ancient times), but in this one we sort of... "fight". All for fun, of course. Im actualy not an evil renegade king, and guitardude doesnt really want to spill my guts (actualy, Im not sure about the last one, but I hope its true). In any case, it IS a fact that Vail has a cow that farts fire and that Guido wears pink slippers when he thinks noone is watching.
Kmac himself is a member of this site, who hasnt been around for a while, and just occasionaly drops in every few months nowadays. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:43:14 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Just wondering: "What is kmac" and what is kmac the second?
As we all know, F stands for "Fail" and the number indicates the level (therefore, F 117 was the biggest fail, as proven by our Serbian brothers), while on the other hand Su stands for "Superior" as these are.
Just a minute and you will be promptly pwned. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:42:38 AM)
guitardude wrote:
Now Strat, you know the F-18`s are superior to the F-16`s, besides the 16`s are land based only! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, August 14, 2010 8:19:36 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
They have to finish the evening school first...
guitardude wrote:
Hello! I`m back!! Strat, are you up to your old ways again? Just so you know, I brought in a few friends, just in case ya know?!! Edited at: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:27:34 PM
Well, Id say that she should bring the statue, but since someone already nicked it... Well, maybe theres an Iron Maiden bar there, so she can steal Dickinsons. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, August 13, 2010 4:18:29 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
HELL YEAH thats awesome Vailant maybe you can bring us back some sovenneirs.i will take that MIGHTY PAAAAAAAAAAAAAINKILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLER wall.lol .somebody probably stole the statue.BREAAAKKKKKKIIINNNNGGGGGGGG THHHHHEEEEE LAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Thanks, everyone! Glad you liked the photos. And yes, Guido and Metalman, Dissident Aggressor was the correct answer.
JJ. Phantom A6 lives in Hannover, which is on the other side of Germany...so no, I haven't got to see him. But if I do, I'll tell him that you said hi.
One more pic. I went to this cafe earlier today. It was closed, but I'm hoping to go there eventually, hopefully before I have to leave. Only big disappointment is that the big statue of Rob that I've seen on the cafe's website isn't there.
They have to finish the evening school first... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Friday, July 30, 2010 1:27:09 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Hello! I`m back!! Strat, are you up to your old ways again? Just so you know, I brought in a few friends, just in case ya know?!! Edited at: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:27:34 PM
Now, then. I must take a break from these war-games and eat some of the food scraps that remain in my pantry. I shall return!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah.
Well, I cant blame you.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Maybe...
_strat_ wrote:
Do you question my credibility?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nope!
_strat_ wrote:
You have my word of honor that it is not a rickroll. Im serious.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nope. DON'T YOU LEEAAD MEEEE....INTO TEMPTAAAAATION!
Gotta love Halford.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, but there is a chance its not a rickroll. You never know, it may be the best goal of the FIFA 2010 world cup... It might be new material from a band that you like. It might be anything...
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
You have my word of honor that it is not a rickroll. Im serious.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nope. DON'T YOU LEEAAD MEEEE....INTO TEMPTAAAAATION!
Gotta love Halford.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, but there is a chance its not a rickroll. You never know, it may be the best goal of the FIFA 2010 world cup... It might be new material from a band that you like. It might be anything...
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
Do you question my credibility? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:55:23 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nope!
_strat_ wrote:
You have my word of honor that it is not a rickroll. Im serious.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nope. DON'T YOU LEEAAD MEEEE....INTO TEMPTAAAAATION!
Gotta love Halford.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, but there is a chance its not a rickroll. You never know, it may be the best goal of the FIFA 2010 world cup... It might be new material from a band that you like. It might be anything...
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
I dunno ...you're the one who brought bears riding horses...and then penguins showin their rifles off
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, so let me get a few facts straight:
a. Guidos house is a mess
b. There is evidence that the three of us have been up to no good
c. I have to get dressed What is it we were doing? A bit of a blur to me.
paorcamp wrote:
crap...then we better clean this mess up now that he's away...
strat, cover the evidence, and get dressed
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Guido!
paorcamp wrote:
and who's the general??
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
You have my word of honor that it is not a rickroll. Im serious. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:50:51 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Nope. DON'T YOU LEEAAD MEEEE....INTO TEMPTAAAAATION!
Gotta love Halford.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, but there is a chance its not a rickroll. You never know, it may be the best goal of the FIFA 2010 world cup... It might be new material from a band that you like. It might be anything...
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
Ah, but there is a chance its not a rickroll. You never know, it may be the best goal of the FIFA 2010 world cup... It might be new material from a band that you like. It might be anything...
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
b. There is evidence that the three of us have been up to no good
c. I have to get dressed What is it we were doing? A bit of a blur to me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:43:43 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
crap...then we better clean this mess up now that he's away...
strat, cover the evidence, and get dressed
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Guido!
paorcamp wrote:
and who's the general??
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
Dont mind her Paor. She is just mean. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:37:44 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh no, you don't!
_strat_ wrote:
I AM! Follow ME!
paorcamp wrote:
and who's the general??
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
I have a feeling your general is already assembling a firing squad to deal with uppity liutenants.
Guido! A new house and Shatners autograph if you change sides! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, July 29, 2010 12:28:09 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good show, Paor! Now we have to explain the mess to the General when he comes back from his journey.
paorcamp wrote:
all is set and done!
even the honey is on fire!!
and yes...the bees are keeping my suit ...lol
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YES!! That's the one we need. Now we have to find the General's house and cut off the honey-filled walls. Do you have your beekeeper suit ready?
paorcamp wrote:
ok...I'll bring the big one then...
stoopid bears...I hate you
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
But we need the honey to distract the bears! The only place in the Kingdom that has more honey than "Ye Olde Honey Stand" is the General's house.
Perhaps it we just catapult the honey-filled walls one by one?
paorcamp wrote:
I'm on it...but I think this will do...I couldn't find the one to catapult houses...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
A Bear Cavalry?? How can we defeat this army? Hmmm...
....
Wait a minute. I got it!
Paor. We must find the General's house, pull it out from its foundations, and catapult it toward the bears! Bears love honey, and the General's house is full of it!!
_strat_ wrote:
That might be my new secret weapon...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...something is not right. Stand on your guard, Kmacians. It appears as though something foul may be approaching our kingdom.
Well then...that can't be too hard an army to defeat. Those penguins are incapable of firing any shots due to their lack of fingers. I'll just tip them over with the handle of my sword.
_strat_ wrote:
Of course, the bear cavalry will be followed by foot soldiers.
Yeah, I know theyre penguins. But your general is a nerd so it evens out.
You are a sick and perverted man, guido. I am proud to call you a friend. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, July 10, 2010 6:03:09 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Tulips bloom in spring. Died off LOOOONG ago!
There are cows across the field from me. I am thinkng of letting them loose and running ith them. Heffer work? Most are female.
_strat_ wrote:
What, no bees?
And youre getting quite lonely for tomorrow too... Got any tulips in the garden?
(Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, July 10, 2010 12:26:29 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I get all my predictions on sports via penguin, thank you very much. While the people at the zoo frown upon me climbing into their pen to push them over and see what side they roll onto to get back up, so be it. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:31:48 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Now, this is it... I hear the octopus picked Germany for tonight, which is awesome.
But tomorrow... Im rooting for the Dutch, of course, and I can only hope that the Spanish wont kill the game like they always do, and then get away with 1-0.
But even if the Spanish win, it wont be such a tragedy - I hear most of them play for Barcelona, which is my favorite Spanish club. Although there are aparently quite a few assholes from Real Madrid, which sort of evens it out.
Suarez is an asshole... That "hand of prick" was cheating, and they should definately tighten the rules in those situations. If the only way to stop a goal is by breaking rules - call it a goal. AND a red card AND a penalty.
Floren hitting the crossbar in the last second today was awesome. And familiar too.
Permision to scream rather loudly and prance around in utter jubilation sir!
YES YES YES
Enjoy the flight home Uruguay. Dirtiest team in the WC by far. Now Dirty Suarez can concentrate on winning his Oscar for best acting performance in 2010 and he wins the brown boot award for shittiest wanker in the game.
I get all my predictions on sports via penguin, thank you very much. While the people at the zoo frown upon me climbing into their pen to push them over and see what side they roll onto to get back up, so be it. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, July 10, 2010 5:31:48 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Now, this is it... I hear the octopus picked Germany for tonight, which is awesome.
But tomorrow... Im rooting for the Dutch, of course, and I can only hope that the Spanish wont kill the game like they always do, and then get away with 1-0.
But even if the Spanish win, it wont be such a tragedy - I hear most of them play for Barcelona, which is my favorite Spanish club. Although there are aparently quite a few assholes from Real Madrid, which sort of evens it out.
Lmao... Theres a Wikipedia article on Paul the Octopus!
Interestingly, it shows that he was wrong twice before, both times on Euro 2008, when he predicted that Germany will beat Croatia in the group stage (Croatia won), and when he predicted Germany beating Spain in the finals (Spain won). Hopefully the Spanish will screw him yet again and lose against the Dutch.
Now, this is it... I hear the octopus picked Germany for tonight, which is awesome.
But tomorrow... Im rooting for the Dutch, of course, and I can only hope that the Spanish wont kill the game like they always do, and then get away with 1-0.
But even if the Spanish win, it wont be such a tragedy - I hear most of them play for Barcelona, which is my favorite Spanish club. Although there are aparently quite a few assholes from Real Madrid, which sort of evens it out.
I just hope that vuvuzelas wont make it into European stadiums. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, July 10, 2010 3:00:20 AM)
Becks wrote:
Haha, now this is crazy. The UAE has apparently issued a fatwa against vuvuzelas
If its any consolation, Guido has two, but theyre from different countries.
I hadnt found anything. Damn Spanish, how dare they not put theeir balls on the internet! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, July 07, 2010 5:12:34 PM)
alt+164=�
alt+165=�
With numlock on. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, July 07, 2010 4:51:54 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
ALT + 164 with numlock key on = ñ (165 for cap). HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
This sucks. Damn Espana (screw the tilde...symbol...thing).
I only heard the first 30 minutes of the first half of the game on the radio before going to class. *sigh* Oh, well...Germany will have a chance at getting third-place, at least. GO GERMANY!
Whoever this Guido person is, I am NOT talking to him.
And Im certainly not betting either my Croatian World cup 1998 shirt, OR my vintage Red Star Belgrade scarf on a couple of Dutch potheads.
I am willing to bet a bag of frozen calamari, tho. Today taught me never to trust anything with tentacles. Edited at: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:04:34 PM
I have a feeling that Germans will be eating seafood today...
Anyway, Im rooting for the Dutch in the finals, and for the Germans in the 3rd place match. Its really about time that the Dutch win something, seeing as how many times they played in all sorts of finals, and never won any. The Spanish are already European champions, and thats more than enough.
As for today, the Germans really surprised me, and in a very negative way. Considering how both teams played so far, I thought that the Germans will throw in another four goals, but it all has to end somewhere, I guess. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, July 06, 2010 9:22:21 PM)
Becks wrote:
I really hope he's wrong this time LOL! Pleased to see the Netherlands got through to the final, really hope Germany get through tomorrow. Once again I will only be able to watch the first half before I go to work, damnit!
guidogodoy wrote:
All right! I hadn't heard that but EVERYONE knows that the octopus is never wrong!
Head banger wrote:
The octopus picked Spain.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAA!!! I cheer whenever I can SEE the friggin' game (stuck at 45:31 as I type).
To be honest, I have no dog in this fight. I have been picking Spain all this time, but the Germans domination of Argentina worries me. Spain'll be up against it tomorrow.
joedraper wrote:
OMG OMG
Guido... say it isn't so... you're not cheering for THAT team are you?
Yeah, thats true, but on the other hand, its nice to see a South American team that isnt Argentina or Brazil get this far.
Too bad that no team from Asia or Africa made it to the semi finals. Especialy an African team would be nice, it is their cup, after all. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:25:28 PM)
Becks wrote:
I find it bizarre that the only South American team left in the tournament is, in my opinion, the least deserving - Uruguay. Stupid Uruguay. Netherlands smash them!! LOL!
Good to see Spain won, Spain vs Germany semi final should be a good one.
guidogodoy wrote:
¡Qué viva Españ!
Paraguay shouldn't win anyway. They wear Wicked Witch socks. A house needs to fall on them.
Meh, Argentina was a mob. They were only good against those teams that shit their pants when they heard they will be playing against Argentina. I sure wont miss them.
Im not sure that putting referees from big leagues would work, tho. One of the best referees from this cup comes from Uzbekistan, while the biggest disapointment was an Italian who refed the Mexico - Argentina match. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Saturday, July 03, 2010 3:35:52 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Great display from Krauts. Argentina had no reply and gave it away second half. Very low key sideline display from Maradona, expected him to be psyched for this one as he has been in previous games but he just looked nervous and failed to provide inspiration. Nothing from Messi, Tevez tried hard, he was the only Argie that fought till the end. Germany were just awesome though.
Spain still looked far from convincing in their game. Fernando Torres should be benched for the semi, he's started every game and done nothing. Paraguay had their best game of the tournament. Unlucky.
I think the problem with these penalties and referees stems from the refs not being qualified to ref at this level. It's fucking ridiculous to have these refs from Japan and this clown from Guatamala reffing these big games. All the refs from the second round onwards should be from the big league, Premiership, La Liga, Bundesliga and Serie A. They won't be starstruck by the big name players and are used to being in charge on the big stage. I've seen it on a number of occasions in this cup where the refs are almost sucking up to the players when there's a dispute about a decision. All smiles etc. The refs have to be tougher on the players. Dives should be ignored or carded and player dissent should not be tolerated. Just send a few guys off and it'll stop.
Sepp Blatter and his cronies won't do anything about bringing in replays. He's to busy accepting kickbacks, screwing high end hookers, staying in posh hotels and getting his ass kissed to actually do any work.
Lol... They actualy managed to hit the post three times before the ball finally rolled over the goalline... THAT is an achievement.
Still, they might surprise Germany. But I dont think so. Football is a game that lasts for 90 minutes, and the Germans win in the end.
As for cameras, I think they are "considering"... Which probably means no, but hope dies last... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, July 03, 2010 2:52:11 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
While I am happy that Spain won, that was FAR from a "decisive vitctory."
Greater question is WTF is up with the officiating?!? Those penalty kicks were just too much. Hey, FIFA...let's get with the times and get a friggin' CAMERA in there! Not for the small offenses but lives are seriously at stake when you miss a big one.
Oh, we shouldnt be too quick on that. Remember that the Dutch have eliminated Brazil. Personaly, I think that Nedherlands vs. Germany is the most likely final, tho of course the Spanish are strong candidates too.
In any case, Im rooting for the Dutch and the Germans in the semi finals (no matter who the Germans will be playing against). As for tonight, I really cant say. I will watch the game, of course, but I dont think I will be rooting for anyone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, July 03, 2010 8:50:49 AM)
Becks wrote:
That was an annihilation. Awesome football. If Germany don't win the whole tournament I will be very surprised.
_strat_ wrote:
There! 4 - 0. This is not a defeat, this is a total breakdown of Argentina.
I want to adopt Klose.
Becks wrote:
Haha Argentina! Germany are too awesome LOL!!
_strat_ wrote:
I am a prophet, I am a GOD! I think that my predictions can alter the outcome of reality.
Yeah, they have to hold out this pressure, and maybe get something from counter attacks.
Lets not forget yesterday, tho. Both teams that took the lead first. then ended up losing. I hope it wont repeat today. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:57:37 AM)
Becks wrote:
Excellent goal, now they need to put more away. Go Germany!
Oy!!! That's it! I need some Advil and its only 7:30 AM here......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy your marathon root canal...ummm, I mean soccer game.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there two more games in the quarter finals (this one included), then the semi finals (another two games) then its the third place match (losers of the semi finals play for the third place) and the finals, next sunday. So with this game included, its six games to go.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just flipped over to see what is going on and I noticed that it says "quaterfinals".. Just how LONG does this thing go on anyway???? Jeez!! I thought WIMBLEDON was bad!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, there two more games in the quarter finals (this one included), then the semi finals (another two games) then its the third place match (losers of the semi finals play for the third place) and the finals, next sunday. So with this game included, its six games to go. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:17:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just flipped over to see what is going on and I noticed that it says "quaterfinals".. Just how LONG does this thing go on anyway???? Jeez!! I thought WIMBLEDON was bad!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I guess you really dont... I certainly had no idea what was going on when I watched American Football...
Anyway, youre missing out on Angela Merkel jumping around on the stands... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, July 03, 2010 7:05:26 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
My good man, I have never "bombed" anyone. Now, I have BEEN "bombed", I have been "trashed", I have been "lit", I have been "wrecked" but I can safely say that I have never bombed anyone. Having said this....I have NO idea what you are talking about. HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, yeah, in any case the Germans showed them all... Bet youre sorry you bombed them, eh?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Understandable. There are so many!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there was some country of former Britain, but Im not sure which one.
Deep Freeze wrote:
??? Were they IN it???......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:47:56 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Admit it, this is just because the US has been eliminated.
Deep Freeze wrote:
**yaaaaaaaawnnnnnnnn** Is that crap STILL going on..?
Lol, yeah, in any case the Germans showed them all... Bet youre sorry you bombed them, eh? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:54:56 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Understandable. There are so many!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there was some country of former Britain, but Im not sure which one.
Deep Freeze wrote:
??? Were they IN it???......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:47:56 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Admit it, this is just because the US has been eliminated.
Deep Freeze wrote:
**yaaaaaaaawnnnnnnnn** Is that crap STILL going on..?
Well, there was some country of former Britain, but Im not sure which one. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:50:48 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
??? Were they IN it???......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:47:56 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Admit it, this is just because the US has been eliminated.
Deep Freeze wrote:
**yaaaaaaaawnnnnnnnn** Is that crap STILL going on..?
Admit it, this is just because the US has been eliminated. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, July 03, 2010 6:46:29 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
**yaaaaaaaawnnnnnnnn** Is that crap STILL going on..?
Im really not sure what to think of that "Hand of prick" we saw yesterday... I guess what hurts most is that Ghana was the better team, no doubt about it. On the other hand, I dont doubt that Suarez simply accepted the consequences of that action, and went for it, simply because Uruguay had nothing to lose and everything to gain. He sacrificed himself for his team, and willingly gave up playing in the next round. Not many players would do something like that... I just wish he wasnt such an asshole about it.
IDK, Ive never seen anything like it. This was definately a game to remember.
But I still hope that the Dutch eat Uruguay in the semis.
Oh, well, the hour strikes midnight here, and its about time I go to bed and dream of a semifinal with Ghana... Or better yet, a final between Slovenia and Serbia... But then I will wake up, and go watch the clown with the diamond earrings prance around when hes playing against Germany.
Scroll down... The big orange thing... In the air.... Endcat is listening!
Lol... Yeah, Im not too sure myself either - I cant seem to forgive them beating Japan in the round of 16. Then again, Ive forgiven Ghana for beating Serbia, so I can still go either way on this, I guess. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, July 02, 2010 2:57:55 PM)
Becks wrote:
Yeah that's true, with NZ being underdogs I'm usually rooting for our fellows too. Except Paraguay, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, thats true... But they are the underdog, so Im more sympathetic to them.
Becks wrote:
I'm going for Germany and Spain. Paraguay is boring as and didn't even manage to beat NZ LMAO! Plus they just scraped in to the quarters by the bones of their arse anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Or, if Im wrong and it already happened in your replay, just watch highlights of that game. Theyre sure to show something like that.
Ok, its Argentina - Germany (go Germany!) and Paraguay - Spain (not sure, leaning more to Paraguay) tomorrow... I hope for good games, but Im not sure that they can top off todays games...
Becks wrote:
Ah ok it's coming up then, my replay is still at 1-1. LOL at stupid Brasilian dude.
_strat_ wrote:
Sorry, I dont remember that. Although I think it was already 2 - 1 for the Dutch.
It was a really dirty foul at first (which alone warranted a yellow card, imo), and when the ref blew his whistle the Dutch player (already on the ground then) took the ball. Melo first stepped on him (ever been stepped on by someone wearing football boots? hurts like hell), and then tried to take the ball from his hands.
It was a red card straight away, and like they said on our TV, he will probably be banned for at least three international matches.
Becks wrote:
Oooh I missed that, how far in to the game was it?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there is some good news anyway... From the afternoon match. Felipe Melo will apparently be banned from playing at least the next three matches for that disgusting foul over a Dutch player. He already got a straight up red card for it, which was a very good call from the referee.
Yeah, thats true... But they are the underdog, so Im more sympathetic to them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, July 02, 2010 2:55:06 PM)
Becks wrote:
I'm going for Germany and Spain. Paraguay is boring as and didn't even manage to beat NZ LMAO! Plus they just scraped in to the quarters by the bones of their arse anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Or, if Im wrong and it already happened in your replay, just watch highlights of that game. Theyre sure to show something like that.
Ok, its Argentina - Germany (go Germany!) and Paraguay - Spain (not sure, leaning more to Paraguay) tomorrow... I hope for good games, but Im not sure that they can top off todays games...
Becks wrote:
Ah ok it's coming up then, my replay is still at 1-1. LOL at stupid Brasilian dude.
_strat_ wrote:
Sorry, I dont remember that. Although I think it was already 2 - 1 for the Dutch.
It was a really dirty foul at first (which alone warranted a yellow card, imo), and when the ref blew his whistle the Dutch player (already on the ground then) took the ball. Melo first stepped on him (ever been stepped on by someone wearing football boots? hurts like hell), and then tried to take the ball from his hands.
It was a red card straight away, and like they said on our TV, he will probably be banned for at least three international matches.
Becks wrote:
Oooh I missed that, how far in to the game was it?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there is some good news anyway... From the afternoon match. Felipe Melo will apparently be banned from playing at least the next three matches for that disgusting foul over a Dutch player. He already got a straight up red card for it, which was a very good call from the referee.
I always think she cant, and she always surprises me.
First a prison in the US, now in South Africa, where next? She gives the expression "World tour" a whole new meaning. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Friday, July 02, 2010 2:53:33 PM)
joedraper wrote:
Free Paris!
Seriously.. can this chick get any dumber?
Or, if Im wrong and it already happened in your replay, just watch highlights of that game. Theyre sure to show something like that.
Ok, its Argentina - Germany (go Germany!) and Paraguay - Spain (not sure, leaning more to Paraguay) tomorrow... I hope for good games, but Im not sure that they can top off todays games... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, July 02, 2010 2:46:07 PM)
Becks wrote:
Ah ok it's coming up then, my replay is still at 1-1. LOL at stupid Brasilian dude.
_strat_ wrote:
Sorry, I dont remember that. Although I think it was already 2 - 1 for the Dutch.
It was a really dirty foul at first (which alone warranted a yellow card, imo), and when the ref blew his whistle the Dutch player (already on the ground then) took the ball. Melo first stepped on him (ever been stepped on by someone wearing football boots? hurts like hell), and then tried to take the ball from his hands.
It was a red card straight away, and like they said on our TV, he will probably be banned for at least three international matches.
Becks wrote:
Oooh I missed that, how far in to the game was it?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there is some good news anyway... From the afternoon match. Felipe Melo will apparently be banned from playing at least the next three matches for that disgusting foul over a Dutch player. He already got a straight up red card for it, which was a very good call from the referee.
Sorry, I dont remember that. Although I think it was already 2 - 1 for the Dutch.
It was a really dirty foul at first (which alone warranted a yellow card, imo), and when the ref blew his whistle the Dutch player (already on the ground then) took the ball. Melo first stepped on him (ever been stepped on by someone wearing football boots? hurts like hell), and then tried to take the ball from his hands.
It was a red card straight away, and like they said on our TV, he will probably be banned for at least three international matches. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, July 02, 2010 2:39:43 PM)
Becks wrote:
Oooh I missed that, how far in to the game was it?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there is some good news anyway... From the afternoon match. Felipe Melo will apparently be banned from playing at least the next three matches for that disgusting foul over a Dutch player. He already got a straight up red card for it, which was a very good call from the referee.
Well, there is some good news anyway... From the afternoon match. Felipe Melo will apparently be banned from playing at least the next three matches for that disgusting foul over a Dutch player. He already got a straight up red card for it, which was a very good call from the referee.
Yeah. I mean really, they might as well draw lots.
Or maybe they should play indefinately, until the first goal. Or ask Charlie the magic Unicorn. I dont know...
The shittiest thing is, that its always the team that I root for that looses penalty shootouts. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, July 02, 2010 2:17:41 PM)
Becks wrote:
GAH! The most underserving semi finalists so far - Uruguay! Ghana wanted it more and were the better team, unfortunately it came down to stupid penalties - the most awful way to lose a game I reckon.
Lol... IDK... He will be a hero at home, thats for sure. Stupid Uruguayan pricks...
Wheres Guido??? I bet he was rooting for Uruguay. Lets find him and take it out on him! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, July 02, 2010 2:07:00 PM)
Becks wrote:
Ahh I still say it was stupid LOL! A brain explosion, if you will.
_strat_ wrote:
Twit? That was genious! If he let it go, it would have been a goal. He rather sacrificed himself, and opted for a penalty... Worst of all it worked...
Come on Ghana....
Becks wrote:
HOLY CRAP! Craig is sitting next to me, he's a football player, and he reckons that second of super stupidity from the Uruguayan player should have just been a goal. What a twit!
HOLY CRAP! Craig is sitting next to me, he's a football player, and he reckons that second of super stupidity from the Uruguayan player should have just been a goal. What a twit!
Oh, yeah, I remember that. One more reason to root against Uruguay.
Anyway, we are going to see extra time... I hope it doesnt go into penalties. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Friday, July 02, 2010 1:14:20 PM)
joedraper wrote:
He has behaved in this game but Suarez should get an oscar for faking the best injuries in a game. He got our goalie sent off by being a prick. I would like to see the smug look wiped off his and Forlan's faces.
_strat_ wrote:
Idiot Suarez! First handplay in Ghanas penalty area, THEN kicks goalies fingers when hes trying to get the ball... Too bad it was to crowded for the ref too see it. Edited at: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:09:53 PM
Idiot Suarez! First handplay in Ghanas penalty area, THEN kicks goalies fingers when hes trying to get the ball... Too bad it was to crowded for the ref too see it. Edited at: Friday, July 02, 2010 1:09:53 PM
Well, they are great players, and very good in 1 on 1 challenges... But, IDK, they look a bit undisciplined. A lot of missed passes and misunderstanings among players, I think.
Still, Im rooting for them, and I hope they go on. Uruguay doesnt deserve to play in an amateur league with this kind of playing.
This ref is being a prick but Ghana has the ability and the will to win this. Kingson is an amazing goalie don't know what went wrong but ah feck.. just missed a free kick.
_strat_ wrote:
Congrats to the Dutch, but I hope that Uruguay cant repeat their achievement. On the other hand, if Ghana wins tonight, they play the Dutch next, and I will be a bit confused... Tho I will probably pick the Black Stars.
I think that Ghana was just cheated out of a penalty, but the replay wasnt clear enough. I sure hope it was all ok.
(Quoting Message by joedraper from Friday, July 02, 2010 12:49:19 PM)
joedraper wrote:
Hup Holland Hup! OMG I am so happy they won...
My elation at Ghana scoring has been dampened by Uraguay scoring.. dunno what it is about Diego Forlan that just gives me the creeps!
_strat_ wrote:
*sigh*... Yeah, it REALLY would have been such a shame...
_strat_ wrote:
Okay... Go Dutch!!!
Robinho almost got his pretty face smashed... That would have been such a shame.
Congrats to the Dutch, but I hope that Uruguay cant repeat their achievement. On the other hand, if Ghana wins tonight, they play the Dutch next, and I will be a bit confused... Tho I will probably pick the Black Stars.
I think that Ghana was just cheated out of a penalty, but the replay wasnt clear enough. I sure hope it was all ok.
Hup Holland Hup! OMG I am so happy they won...
My elation at Ghana scoring has been dampened by Uraguay scoring.. dunno what it is about Diego Forlan that just gives me the creeps!
_strat_ wrote:
*sigh*... Yeah, it REALLY would have been such a shame...
_strat_ wrote:
Okay... Go Dutch!!!
Robinho almost got his pretty face smashed... That would have been such a shame.
Yeah, me too. Tho honestly, both Japan and Paraguay didnt show much, and I think that it was one of the most boring matches on this cup. Still, it would be nice if Asia would have their representatives in the quarter finals. Well, at least Africa still does, and even tho Ghana probably has the least chances of winning the cup, Im rooting for them. If not them, then I guess the Dutch or the Germans will be my favourites. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Tuesday, June 29, 2010 9:45:55 AM)
joedraper wrote:
No Japan No!!!
That is not Ayoba! Bitterly dissapointed I was so hoping Japan was gonna come out of this alive.
Oh, well, some younger than others. The Polish... Erm... "Beauty" Klose is an old fart by football standards.
Personaly, I have high hopes for Mesut Özil. That run and assistance for the fourth goal were legendary. Pretty much made the whole goal himself, but still had the brains to pass the ball to someone who was in a better position to score. Which happened. Great to see a player who isnt entirely selfsih. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:46:15 PM)
Becks wrote:
Oh yes Slovakia vs Netherlands should be a good game, I hope Slovakia win too!
Yeah the way Germany are going (when they play well) I think most teams will struggle to come close to them. They counter attack so quickly and have a whole bunch of really talented young players.
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. And judging by how they play, we might just have this years champions.
Tho, my number one team at the moment remains Slovakia. Theyre playing the Dutch tomorrow, and I hope they can send home another football superpower.
Becks wrote:
I hope so too. Germany is the only team I support that is still in the competition LOL! Go Germany!
_strat_ wrote:
Shit... ANOTHER bad call from the ref. I hope that the Germans will eat Argentina in the quarter finals.
Yup. And judging by how they play, we might just have this years champions.
Tho, my number one team at the moment remains Slovakia. Theyre playing the Dutch tomorrow, and I hope they can send home another football superpower. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:28:37 PM)
Becks wrote:
I hope so too. Germany is the only team I support that is still in the competition LOL! Go Germany!
_strat_ wrote:
Shit... ANOTHER bad call from the ref. I hope that the Germans will eat Argentina in the quarter finals.
Yeah, and after they actualy stoped the game to debate the matter. I guess its really time to get replays for the referees. Yeah, sure, it wont solve all bad calls, but this one would have been.
Of course, that wasnt the end of it. I think that the referee pissed his pants later, and compensated Mexico by allowing them rough play - that faul at the end of the first half was a red card if ever I saw one - but by then the game was already ruined. Mexico was a better opponent at the start, and who knows how it would have gone if the ref simply made the right calls. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:57:15 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
You'd think they would fix that "bad call" system by now. Oh, HE was only a few body-lengths offsides.
Still, glad ARG won. They played the better game.
_strat_ wrote:
Shit... ANOTHER bad call from the ref. I hope that the Germans will eat Argentina in the quarter finals.
Probably. But in most sports, crippling the opponent is forbidden. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, June 25, 2010 11:06:18 PM)
spapad wrote:
Well, I'm sure they love you! LOL If we play all sports the way we play real American football, it would mean we show no mercy for the weak. lol
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Sorry, no. I used to like your team, but that time when they played against us, they showed themselves as total assholes. Injured one of our players, nearly injured two more, played the game like it was a war, didnt get punished for it from the ref... Yet still bitched and whined when the ref turned against them and overruled a goal. Frankly, I hope that Ghana eats them alive, and no matter that Ghana won against Serbia, which was my second favourite team.
spapad wrote:
Oh come on Strat, root for US, we never win any of this foosball stuff.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, the round of 16 is here... Two games today, Uruguay vs. South Korea and USA vs. Ghana. Im rooting for South Korea and Ghana.
Hopefully this time around, South Koreans wont need the referee to get them into the semi-finals.
Lol... Sorry, no. I used to like your team, but that time when they played against us, they showed themselves as total assholes. Injured one of our players, nearly injured two more, played the game like it was a war, didnt get punished for it from the ref... Yet still bitched and whined when the ref turned against them and overruled a goal. Frankly, I hope that Ghana eats them alive, and no matter that Ghana won against Serbia, which was my second favourite team. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, June 25, 2010 10:52:50 PM)
spapad wrote:
Oh come on Strat, root for US, we never win any of this foosball stuff.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, the round of 16 is here... Two games today, Uruguay vs. South Korea and USA vs. Ghana. Im rooting for South Korea and Ghana.
Hopefully this time around, South Koreans wont need the referee to get them into the semi-finals.
Serves them right. If youre going to play at this level, you should be more professional than that. And if you dont want to shake hands with someone who was better than you in a game, than Id say they should forget about the plane, and take a bus home. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 25, 2010 5:42:40 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Our midfield were pretty good. Of our forwards Woods, Bertos and Smeltz were good, Fallon was shit and Killen was invisible.
Highlight of the World Cup for me so far The French performance. Not the best of starts for them with star player Frank Ribery being investigated by the police for paying for sex with underage prostitutes. The rest of their cup being dominated by infighting, players and coach at loggerheads, refusing to train, dressing room arguments, Anelka being sent home, the French Minister of Sport being dispatched by the President of France to sort the squabbling bitches out, finishing last in their pool, Domenich refusing to shake hands with the South African coach and lastly having their first class flights home down graded to economy by the French Football Association. Brilliant, you couldn't write a better script.
Becks wrote:
Yeah, our strikers are slow compared to some of the speedy dudes on other teams. Plus our midfield is old. But I think we're on a good track, hopefully football isn't forgotten now we're out of the tournament.
jimmyjames wrote:
Well, NZ finish undefeated yet doesn't go through. It's fair though. You can't expect to go to the next round when you only score two goals in three games, one of which was scored by a defender. Our attack was impotent throughout the tournament. That's something we need to work on.
You mean the Spain - Chile match? I thought that was a genuine penalty... Although the experts in the studio said that it was a situation where the ref can decide wheter or not he will allow rough play. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 25, 2010 2:20:42 PM)
Becks wrote:
Just saw that part Strat, that Torres dude had already tried to get a penalty shot earlier with falling in the box. What a tool.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Look that up in the highlights. The face that he made after he fell down was worth an oscar.
Lol... Look that up in the highlights. The face that he made after he fell down was worth an oscar. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:48:36 PM)
Oh, ffs... Yeah, Im rooting for Chile, and Im pissed that the Spanish got two WONDERFULL goals into the Chilean goal... But what makes me root for Chile even more is that they just got a red card, when the ref bought a Spanish simulation. That REALLY kills the game, imo.
He should become a football comentator then. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:03:02 AM)
Head banger wrote:
hey wierd linguistic links is for DF
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, and interesting fact, pointed out by our commentator. In their language, Slovaks call themselves "Slovenci", which as it happens is exactly the same word that we use to refer to ourselves in Slovene. So in a weird, linguistic way, we did qualify!
Anyway, Im off too, I have to do something about my nerves. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 24, 2010 9:02:54 AM)
Becks wrote:
Woohoo! LOL!
Hahaha NZ finished above Italy in our pool! Awesome!
I should go back to bed LOL!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, and interesting fact, pointed out by our commentator. In their language, Slovaks call themselves "Slovenci", which as it happens is exactly the same word that we use to refer to ourselves in Slovene. So in a weird, linguistic way, we did qualify!
Yeah, you can be, because even tho they were complete outsiders, they really played with their heart, even tho they probably do lack some experience, which ours did too... But our team didnt play like we know they can. So congrats to Kiwis, and lets hope we wont play a friendly again anytime soon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:58:01 AM)
Becks wrote:
No one expected anything from NZ, everyone thought we'd get thrashed. Well I think we showed them!!! I'm so proud of our boys, they did so so well.
BYE BYE ITALY! HAHAHAHA!
_strat_ wrote:
End of game here too... Sorry Becks, I was really hoping youd pull through. But yeah, youre undefeated, which is more than we can say.
Anyway, its a compromise for me. Slovakia is through, New Zealand unfortunately isnt...
And the best of the best... ITALY IS GOING HOME!!!
Becks wrote:
We finish the group undefeated, but don't go through
Lol, and interesting fact, pointed out by our commentator. In their language, Slovaks call themselves "Slovenci", which as it happens is exactly the same word that we use to refer to ourselves in Slovene. So in a weird, linguistic way, we did qualify!
Well, it looked like it for a moment. But nothing serious. Italians cant take it, anyway. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:39:55 AM)
Becks wrote:
LOL ooooh a fight?
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, shit... Italians socred, goalkeeper doesnt want to give the ball back, and it looks like we will have a fight here!!!
_strat_ wrote:
One might be enough... The way things are going here, I have a strong feeling that Slovakia didnt score for the last time.
Becks wrote:
Good stuff Slovakia! Bye bye Italy! LOL!
We're trying, but it's a defensive game so far!
_strat_ wrote:
GOAL!!! 2 - 0 for our cousins!!! I havent felt this good since our boys last beat Italy...
There THAT is good refereeing - Slovakian keeper gets a yellow card, and Italian gets a card for pretending hes been hit in the face (which was REALLY bad acting).
Oh, shit... Italians socred, goalkeeper doesnt want to give the ball back, and it looks like we will have a fight here!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:37:01 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
One might be enough... The way things are going here, I have a strong feeling that Slovakia didnt score for the last time.
Becks wrote:
Good stuff Slovakia! Bye bye Italy! LOL!
We're trying, but it's a defensive game so far!
_strat_ wrote:
GOAL!!! 2 - 0 for our cousins!!! I havent felt this good since our boys last beat Italy...
If you win and Slovakia wins, then Slovakia is tied in points with Paraguay, which has a better goal difference. So, if you win, win with a big difference. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:22:51 AM)
Becks wrote:
If we win full stop we go through, not sure about Slovakia.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, it would be awesome, but its getting a bit late for that now. If Im not much mistaken, both NZ and Slovakia would have to win with two goals difference at least.
Becks wrote:
Over half an hour gone and no score yet in NZ vs Paraguay. If NZ and Slovakia went through that would be awesme as LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yeah, it would be great if both Slovakia and New Zealand would win, preferably with at least 2 goals difference each... Which is not likely, I guess, but possible, if the Italians dont pick themselves up quick.
Becks wrote:
We pretty much have to win. Or draw with more goals than if Italy and Slovakia draw. This pool is still up in the air right now really.
_strat_ wrote:
Im watching Italy struggle against Slovakia here... I hope Slovaks can get through. If Im not much mistaken, Slovakia winning helps New Zealand too right?
Becks wrote:
Right, it's 2am, I am up and watching NZ vs Paraguay! LOL!
Yeah, it would be awesome, but its getting a bit late for that now. If Im not much mistaken, both NZ and Slovakia would have to win with two goals difference at least. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:32:57 AM)
Becks wrote:
Over half an hour gone and no score yet in NZ vs Paraguay. If NZ and Slovakia went through that would be awesme as LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yeah, it would be great if both Slovakia and New Zealand would win, preferably with at least 2 goals difference each... Which is not likely, I guess, but possible, if the Italians dont pick themselves up quick.
Becks wrote:
We pretty much have to win. Or draw with more goals than if Italy and Slovakia draw. This pool is still up in the air right now really.
_strat_ wrote:
Im watching Italy struggle against Slovakia here... I hope Slovaks can get through. If Im not much mistaken, Slovakia winning helps New Zealand too right?
Becks wrote:
Right, it's 2am, I am up and watching NZ vs Paraguay! LOL!
Yeah, but in 1930 you werent watching football... They didnt have TVs at the retired citizens home.
I have to check my sources, too... Thats what they said on our TV in the football studio. WIkipedia says 13 teams, so youre right there.
And it looks like we shared the third place with the US, since there was no third place match. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:13:40 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I was closer for teams in the 1930 WC...
"Thirteen teams, seven from South America, four from Europe and two from North America entered the tournament."
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, yeah, I heard about that. Not dozen, 16 teams I think, but only four from Europe could be arsed to take the trip. Apparently, our team had to take a ship (since there were no inter-continental flights back then) to Urugvay. They had all the practices aboard, right up until they kicked all the balls into the ocean.
And we also won our group back then, and finished third in the cup... Yup glory days.
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry...been rebuilding yet another computer. What fun.
To answer the question, Budred, you heard right. While Becks is right about the Semi's, the reference to the 1930s is also correct. It is the first time since the 1930s that the USA WON ITS WC GROUP! You aren't going deaf or crazy, Bud.
Not to take anything away from them but 1930 was the first official FIFA WC and only a dozen or so countries participated. Still, it was an upset then as well.
Well, yeah, it would be great if both Slovakia and New Zealand would win, preferably with at least 2 goals difference each... Which is not likely, I guess, but possible, if the Italians dont pick themselves up quick. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:24:42 AM)
Becks wrote:
We pretty much have to win. Or draw with more goals than if Italy and Slovakia draw. This pool is still up in the air right now really.
_strat_ wrote:
Im watching Italy struggle against Slovakia here... I hope Slovaks can get through. If Im not much mistaken, Slovakia winning helps New Zealand too right?
Becks wrote:
Right, it's 2am, I am up and watching NZ vs Paraguay! LOL!
Im watching Italy struggle against Slovakia here... I hope Slovaks can get through. If Im not much mistaken, Slovakia winning helps New Zealand too right? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:00:29 AM)
Becks wrote:
Right, it's 2am, I am up and watching NZ vs Paraguay! LOL!
Lol, yeah, I heard about that. Not dozen, 16 teams I think, but only four from Europe could be arsed to take the trip. Apparently, our team had to take a ship (since there were no inter-continental flights back then) to Urugvay. They had all the practices aboard, right up until they kicked all the balls into the ocean.
And we also won our group back then, and finished third in the cup... Yup glory days. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 10:07:09 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry...been rebuilding yet another computer. What fun.
To answer the question, Budred, you heard right. While Becks is right about the Semi's, the reference to the 1930s is also correct. It is the first time since the 1930s that the USA WON ITS WC GROUP! You aren't going deaf or crazy, Bud.
Not to take anything away from them but 1930 was the first official FIFA WC and only a dozen or so countries participated. Still, it was an upset then as well.
Yeah, that is true, there are close calls, and sometimes its really down to centimeters... But then again, if you go splitting hairs like that, youre totaly missing the point of the offside rule, which is to prevent a team ganging up in the opponents penalty area, and force them into being a bit more inventive.
IDK... I still think that refs are fine. Not always - most of the times. And players complaining about decisions doesnt change them either. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:51:32 PM)
Head banger wrote:
its still a bitch to get in the right spot and see at the right time. lots of bloody close calls on offside. having worked as a linesman (before it was called referees assistant) I know that you will for sure miss things.
_strat_ wrote:
Refs never call games of their own countries.
There are two assistant refs on the sides, that see very well any offsides, and they usualy inform the main ref about them.
ron h wrote:
I tend to like the human element with regards to officiating, no matter the sport. I think we've all been on both sides of a bad call and it's weird because we only complain when it goes against us, yet cheer when we get lucky.
ALL of these off-sides calls are pure judgement calls as the action is fast and they have to make calls in a split-second. We fans watching on the TV really only know after seeing the slow-motion replay. 'Off-sides' seems to be the big difference maker this year, for a number of teams and not just the U.S. Although that sucks, there's been triple as many shots on goal going off the bar instead of in the net, I'm more concerned about that!!
I tend to think the sport needs better traing, maybe more ref's on the field or ref's not calling games of their own home countries (maybe that's a rule that's already in place, I don't know). What I do know is that if the U.S. made the goals they should have throughout the tournament, today would not have been so critical a match.
It already is.....BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Geek, yank, hamburger man!!! May the spirit of Stalin guide your new ball into the most expensive and fragile object in your house! May the swarm of bees from your wall sting your behind until it is big and red!
guidogodoy wrote:
Socialist, bastard, Commie sympathizer! May the Eye of Horus turn your evil army of the undead back into dust!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, shit happens... Now, round of 16... Im rooting for Ghana and Germany when they play against the US and England respectively.
Oh, quit pussyfooting around and just out and name my BELOVED DETROIT TIGERS!!! THEY WERE ROBBED!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Strat and I agreeing..??!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! Please!!! HAHAHAHAHHA!! I really doubt the US team had a planned target (the official) if they were to lose. Seems to me that they would be wasting their time actually playing this game if that were the case. I mean, just mail it in and blame others....although THAT might be more entertaining...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! ANYHOOO-
You know you do make sense, Ron. I have already said I like the human element as well. I guess the only thing these soccer guys can (or SHOULD) do is OWN UP to it when they blow a call. Case in point;
Recently here in the US, a baseball umpire cost a pitcher a place in history with a very bad call. Replays clearly showed he had blown the call. The next day, not only did he take ownership and apologize, there was a VERY emotional meeting prior to the next game between him and the young man that had lost due to his call. The umpire in question was actually tearful and SO very remorseful. It took a real man to admit what he did, especially given that the player lost a spot in the history books!
Seems to me that these soccer fellows think themselves "above" question. They are arrogant and, frankly, they seem to be terribly inadequate given that this is a "world" event! One would think that the FIFA people would try to get more qualified officials. Just my observation. As I readily admit, I have NO idea what is going on and I am relying solely on the comments of the so-called "professionals" on my TV. That said, they are STILL going on about the poor officiating.
Geek, yank, hamburger man!!! May the spirit of Stalin guide your new ball into the most expensive and fragile object in your house! May the swarm of bees from your wall sting your behind until it is big and red! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:40:58 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Socialist, bastard, Commie sympathizer! May the Eye of Horus turn your evil army of the undead back into dust!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, shit happens... Now, round of 16... Im rooting for Ghana and Germany when they play against the US and England respectively.
Oh, shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.......................... This is NOT a good day.
Screwed by the English TWICE today. First when theyve beaten our boys, now their penal colony screwed our southern brothers... Someone has to consider bombing them right now... I hope uncle Putin is reading this.
Im rooting that Serbia finishes second in this group - that way they get the US. No better motivation than I can think of. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:07:54 PM)
Becks wrote:
Ah bugger, Serbia just scored but it was offside. Oh well, try again LOL!
It'll be interesting once this mornings matches are over, to see who is playing the US and England in the group of 16.
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm - it would be good if you could beat Paraguay with a big difference, and then for Slovakia to beat Italy with a big difference... Odds are against it, but it can happen, and I hope it does.
Damn, Im sick of this combinations... I cant wait for the knock-out phase.
Becks wrote:
Yeah I was just looking at the table, a whole bunch of scenarios could happen this morning. I'm just looking forward to 2am tomorrow morning NZ time - NZ vs Paraguay! If we win, we're through! Who would have thought, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
Becks wrote:
Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
_strat_ wrote:
I beg to differ - go Ghana!
Becks wrote:
Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
Becks wrote:
I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL!
There are two assistant refs on the sides, that see very well any offsides, and they usualy inform the main ref about them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:03:25 PM)
ron h wrote:
I tend to like the human element with regards to officiating, no matter the sport. I think we've all been on both sides of a bad call and it's weird because we only complain when it goes against us, yet cheer when we get lucky.
ALL of these off-sides calls are pure judgement calls as the action is fast and they have to make calls in a split-second. We fans watching on the TV really only know after seeing the slow-motion replay. 'Off-sides' seems to be the big difference maker this year, for a number of teams and not just the U.S. Although that sucks, there's been triple as many shots on goal going off the bar instead of in the net, I'm more concerned about that!!
I tend to think the sport needs better traing, maybe more ref's on the field or ref's not calling games of their own home countries (maybe that's a rule that's already in place, I don't know). What I do know is that if the U.S. made the goals they should have throughout the tournament, today would not have been so critical a match.
Mhm - it would be good if you could beat Paraguay with a big difference, and then for Slovakia to beat Italy with a big difference... Odds are against it, but it can happen, and I hope it does.
Damn, Im sick of this combinations... I cant wait for the knock-out phase. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:02:46 PM)
Becks wrote:
Yeah I was just looking at the table, a whole bunch of scenarios could happen this morning. I'm just looking forward to 2am tomorrow morning NZ time - NZ vs Paraguay! If we win, we're through! Who would have thought, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So...
Becks wrote:
Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
_strat_ wrote:
I beg to differ - go Ghana!
Becks wrote:
Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
Becks wrote:
I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL!
Well, yeah, I kinda like German playing, and I usualy root for them... But as it is now, Serbia might need a German defeat, if they dont win against Australia... So... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:58:59 AM)
Becks wrote:
Quiet you! LOL!!! Not entirely sure why I support Germany to be honest, I just have since they got to the final of the world cup without conceding a goal.
_strat_ wrote:
I beg to differ - go Ghana!
Becks wrote:
Ghana just about scored a second ago but a German defender got rid of the ball. Not too exciting so far. I juts hope Germany win! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here.
Becks wrote:
I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL!
Hows the Ghana - Germany match? Im onlx watching the Serbs here. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:46:26 AM)
Becks wrote:
I'm currently watching Australia vs Serbia, on one channel, and Germany vs Ghana on the other, LOL!
Are you afraid that we might gang up on you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:43:20 AM)
Head banger wrote:
You two are getting dangerously close to agreeing here.
_strat_ wrote:
The thing is that sometimes, those "mistakes" are not mistakes. It happens sometimes that a referee is genuinely biased, and can screw up a team. As I said, in football, a referee is a powerfull figure.
That said, no I dont get ESPN (whatever that is), I watch the games on our national television - where the commentators have a lot to say about referees too. Now, we lost today 1-0 to England, and guess who the first scapegoat is? The referee.
Personaly, I think that all this bitching about referees is just talk of sore losers, or in case of the US (which now isnt a loser - yet), they were already preparing to have a scapegoat in case they did lose. IDK - I say that we all know more or less what the rules are, and we can make our own opinions about the referees and their decisions. Yeah, there were tournaments in the past where referees were bad, but this one is nothing compared to those.
As for doing something about it... Well, I daresay there is no need. Fans will just have to accept that most of the times referees are not to blame. Sometimes they are, but usualy not.
Deep Freeze wrote:
As I have mentioned in the past, I do NOT believe that blaming an official is EVER acceptable! Even if they DO make a mistake (which they do). The thing is, there is a remarkable abundance of discussion here on American TV regarding the poor officiating. I am watching ESPN and I assume that is what you all get over there as well? If so, I should think you would notice it also? It is rather annoying.
There are mistakes made by players, coaches AND officials. It happens. It is part of the "human element" I have mentioned. It just seems that poor officiating is the MAIN topic of discussion everyday! I mean, this must be a real problem with the game because they refer consistently to previous Cup matches and they go on and on about poor calls. If this is such an issue, implement "instant replay"! Jeez! They just go on and on about the officials. I was watching the US game this morning and the ref "disallowed" a goal which set off yet ANOTHER barrage of complaining about the officials. Replace them. Shoot them. Do SOMETHING! If it is so bad that it continues to be the biggest news in the tournament, DO something about it.
The thing is that sometimes, those "mistakes" are not mistakes. It happens sometimes that a referee is genuinely biased, and can screw up a team. As I said, in football, a referee is a powerfull figure.
That said, no I dont get ESPN (whatever that is), I watch the games on our national television - where the commentators have a lot to say about referees too. Now, we lost today 1-0 to England, and guess who the first scapegoat is? The referee.
Personaly, I think that all this bitching about referees is just talk of sore losers, or in case of the US (which now isnt a loser - yet), they were already preparing to have a scapegoat in case they did lose. IDK - I say that we all know more or less what the rules are, and we can make our own opinions about the referees and their decisions. Yeah, there were tournaments in the past where referees were bad, but this one is nothing compared to those.
As for doing something about it... Well, I daresay there is no need. Fans will just have to accept that most of the times referees are not to blame. Sometimes they are, but usualy not. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:16:16 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
As I have mentioned in the past, I do NOT believe that blaming an official is EVER acceptable! Even if they DO make a mistake (which they do). The thing is, there is a remarkable abundance of discussion here on American TV regarding the poor officiating. I am watching ESPN and I assume that is what you all get over there as well? If so, I should think you would notice it also? It is rather annoying.
There are mistakes made by players, coaches AND officials. It happens. It is part of the "human element" I have mentioned. It just seems that poor officiating is the MAIN topic of discussion everyday! I mean, this must be a real problem with the game because they refer consistently to previous Cup matches and they go on and on about poor calls. If this is such an issue, implement "instant replay"! Jeez! They just go on and on about the officials. I was watching the US game this morning and the ref "disallowed" a goal which set off yet ANOTHER barrage of complaining about the officials. Replace them. Shoot them. Do SOMETHING! If it is so bad that it continues to be the biggest news in the tournament, DO something about it.
Well, its true that in football a referee is a very independant figure, and rules are sometimes very lax just to give the ref space to make his own decisions. What you also have to take into consideration is that blaming the referee is a very common practice of sore loosers. Now, sometimes the ref really is biased, and they can change the game completely, but I dont think that that happend in this cup. Yet. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:37:44 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes, strat. I do say a lot of things. Like to hear myself talk, I guess...HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! In all honesty, I believe I have finally figured out why this game has not caught on in the US. I mean, the officiating is god-awful! I still have NO idea what I am watching but the announcers are going on AGAIN about the ref making ANOTHER poor call!! It seems as though that is ALL I hear! Now then, there ARE poor calls in every sport but, by and large, the officiating is very good in OUR sports. NOTHING like this, anyway!
Perhaps they need to better review how they pick the officials for this game? I am not sure but I keep hearing this over and over and these announcers are NOT just Americans with a grudge. These are guys from all over the world! They are STILL going on about the "terrible" call that just cost the US a "goal"...??!??!!? Then they start in about 2002 and whatnot so, apparently, this is an ongoing issue? Certainly can see why this is not of much interest here in the States. Maybe they need "instant replay" or something? Maybe a test for referees? I have no idea. Just seems as though the real story continues to be the refs. THAT is sad.
Well, pretentious pricks they may be... But US and England deserve to go on. Our team was an utter disapointment. I really think that they were too comfortable today, and went for a draw, then ended up losing everything. They didnt deserve to win after todays performance. Too bad.
Now, looking forward to the evening, I hope that at least Serbia can save the honor of the Yugoslavian school of football.
Freeze says a lot of things. Including that a sport where players pass the ball with their hands is football. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:38:20 PM)
spapad wrote:
Go Yanks................said meekly from underneath the table. HA!! I know we don't stand a chance in hell, or at least from my very limited football knowledge, I think we will get our asses kicked. Obviously the world does too. I'm glad this isn't, as Freeze would put it, real football.
Well, if they got all the cards that they earned, they would have been down to ten by halftime. I hope that the ref on the US - Algeria match wont tolerate such dirty playing.
Abyway, Im rooting that our team and the Algerians win today, and advance. England mustnt go through in any case. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 9:56:32 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hey, ya never know. They did make a comeback and could have won against Slovenia had their third goal been counted. We'll see what happens tomorrow.
spapad wrote:
Go Yanks................said meekly from underneath the table. HA!! I know we don't stand a chance in hell, or at least from my very limited football knowledge, I think we will get our asses kicked. Obviously the world does too. I'm glad this isn't, as Freeze would put it, real football.
Yeah - considering the other match. I sure hope they dont. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:22:20 PM)
Becks wrote:
I think they have to beat Serbia by like 3 goals or something.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I understand. Wouldnt root for Italy myself if they played against Mars.
Although, if Im not much mistaken, Aussies have pretty abysmal chances to get through.
Becks wrote:
LOL! It's just the NZ/Oz rivalry. I wouldn't mind if they got through, but yeah
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, I guess it is, lol.
But hang on a minute... How come a New Zealander is rooting against the Aussies? I thought you liked each other?
Becks wrote:
LOL!!!!! It's all a part of the fun of the world cup.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its one out of three. Could be worse.
Becks wrote:
I'm rooting for England, Germany and Serbia LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, tomorrow... Is the decision day! Im rooting for our boys to beat England, and the Algerians to beat the US. We need a draw or a win, or even a defeat (it then depends on the outcome of the US - Algeria game) to advance.
In group D, I will be rooting for Serbia (hopefully they can take out Australia) and Ghana (good luck against Germany). It would be great that if we go on, that Serbia finishes in the same place in their group as we will in ours, that way we wont meet in the round of 16.
First fixtures for the round of 16 too: South Korea vs. Urugvay (go Korea) and Mexico vs. Argentina (go Mexico).
Hes just a wee lad, ye ken... Nae Kingie in him. Tae crown wouldwa fallen aboot his neck, ye ken. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:26:16 PM)
Lol... Yeah, I understand. Wouldnt root for Italy myself if they played against Mars.
Although, if Im not much mistaken, Aussies have pretty abysmal chances to get through. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:48:27 PM)
Becks wrote:
LOL! It's just the NZ/Oz rivalry. I wouldn't mind if they got through, but yeah
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, I guess it is, lol.
But hang on a minute... How come a New Zealander is rooting against the Aussies? I thought you liked each other?
Becks wrote:
LOL!!!!! It's all a part of the fun of the world cup.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its one out of three. Could be worse.
Becks wrote:
I'm rooting for England, Germany and Serbia LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, tomorrow... Is the decision day! Im rooting for our boys to beat England, and the Algerians to beat the US. We need a draw or a win, or even a defeat (it then depends on the outcome of the US - Algeria game) to advance.
In group D, I will be rooting for Serbia (hopefully they can take out Australia) and Ghana (good luck against Germany). It would be great that if we go on, that Serbia finishes in the same place in their group as we will in ours, that way we wont meet in the round of 16.
First fixtures for the round of 16 too: South Korea vs. Urugvay (go Korea) and Mexico vs. Argentina (go Mexico).
But hang on a minute... How come a New Zealander is rooting against the Aussies? I thought you liked each other? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:27:43 PM)
Becks wrote:
LOL!!!!! It's all a part of the fun of the world cup.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its one out of three. Could be worse.
Becks wrote:
I'm rooting for England, Germany and Serbia LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, tomorrow... Is the decision day! Im rooting for our boys to beat England, and the Algerians to beat the US. We need a draw or a win, or even a defeat (it then depends on the outcome of the US - Algeria game) to advance.
In group D, I will be rooting for Serbia (hopefully they can take out Australia) and Ghana (good luck against Germany). It would be great that if we go on, that Serbia finishes in the same place in their group as we will in ours, that way we wont meet in the round of 16.
First fixtures for the round of 16 too: South Korea vs. Urugvay (go Korea) and Mexico vs. Argentina (go Mexico).
Well... Its one out of three. Could be worse. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:25:21 PM)
Becks wrote:
I'm rooting for England, Germany and Serbia LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, tomorrow... Is the decision day! Im rooting for our boys to beat England, and the Algerians to beat the US. We need a draw or a win, or even a defeat (it then depends on the outcome of the US - Algeria game) to advance.
In group D, I will be rooting for Serbia (hopefully they can take out Australia) and Ghana (good luck against Germany). It would be great that if we go on, that Serbia finishes in the same place in their group as we will in ours, that way we wont meet in the round of 16.
First fixtures for the round of 16 too: South Korea vs. Urugvay (go Korea) and Mexico vs. Argentina (go Mexico).
Thats what they get for hiring a prick to be their coach. Tho I do feel sorry for the players a bit. They will be lynched when they get back home. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:27:43 PM)
Becks wrote:
Oooh South Africa won! That's so cool! Bye bye France! Hahahaha!
Stupid tv showing a replay of the game they just showed live, Greece vs Argentina. I want to see the SA vs France game!
Ok, tomorrow... Is the decision day! Im rooting for our boys to beat England, and the Algerians to beat the US. We need a draw or a win, or even a defeat (it then depends on the outcome of the US - Algeria game) to advance.
In group D, I will be rooting for Serbia (hopefully they can take out Australia) and Ghana (good luck against Germany). It would be great that if we go on, that Serbia finishes in the same place in their group as we will in ours, that way we wont meet in the round of 16.
First fixtures for the round of 16 too: South Korea vs. Urugvay (go Korea) and Mexico vs. Argentina (go Mexico).
Lol!! Great... Although I rooted for Greece, but what the hell... They didnt have a lot of chances in any case. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:26:11 PM)
Well, too bad for SA... I was really hoping that they will advance. But I guess that today it was a bit too much. I mean, they would have to win with four goals of difference, considering the result of the other game. Still, no matter what state the French team is in, this is a victory to remember.
Well, I cant wait till tomorrow. The euphoria here is reaching its climax, and if we fail to go to the next round it will probably mean a national disaster.
We may have just lost the war but we put up one hell of a fight! lol
I am so proud of our boys. We may not be going through to the next round but we played one hell of a game!
Stupid french goalie.. catching all our balls lol.
I knew that we weren't strong enough to go all the way but we needed this win today to go out in style so to say..
I am proudly South African today and now we can go back to being the best host country in WC history!
So far all the tourists I've enountered have thoroughly enjoyed being here.
I'm happy tonight and ready to pop the champagne to celebrate the great game played by our guys! Can't call them boys anymore they are men now!
_strat_ wrote:
Great, but they need more. As it is now, Mexico advances on goal difference. I hope that Urugvay and SA can both score a couple of times more.
joedraper wrote:
First half done with 2 goals under our belts! Hell fecking Yeah!
Great, but they need more. As it is now, Mexico advances on goal difference. I hope that Urugvay and SA can both score a couple of times more. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Tuesday, June 22, 2010 7:52:18 AM)
joedraper wrote:
First half done with 2 goals under our belts! Hell fecking Yeah!
Whatever happened to him? He was like the biggest star a few years ago, and now nothing. Doesnt even play for Brazil national team anymore. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, June 21, 2010 6:00:57 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
AKA. O dentudo = the toothfull one. He has teeth like a horse.
jimmyjames wrote:
Here's one for you. Ronaldinho against England in 02.
guidogodoy wrote:
I've not seen such bad acting since the LAST Stallone movie!
Honestly, that is what I (and many) really cannot stand in football. That bad acting. He runs into Kaká's shoulder with his chest and grabs his face sending Kaká out on a red?!? At least with Ice Hockey or American Football, when they are down, they have blood on the field / ice and, or broken bones! Wimps.
_strat_ wrote:
Kaka is off the field. Not sure if he really hit that player, tho...
Here's one for you. Ronaldinho against England in 02.
guidogodoy wrote:
I've not seen such bad acting since the LAST Stallone movie!
Honestly, that is what I (and many) really cannot stand in football. That bad acting. He runs into Kaká's shoulder with his chest and grabs his face sending Kaká out on a red?!? At least with Ice Hockey or American Football, when they are down, they have blood on the field / ice and, or broken bones! Wimps.
_strat_ wrote:
Kaka is off the field. Not sure if he really hit that player, tho...
Since he had already been sent of Kaka should have gone over and kicked him in the head. If you're gonna get sent off for nailing another player, you might as well absolutely axe the worthless bastard. Like Roy Keane did here.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, they had a whole analysis of that in the studio after the game. Looks like the Ivory Coast player simply saw a good opportunity to screw Brazil, and went for it. Unfortunately, he succeded. Then it was all that business with the rest of them. If Kakas temamates wouldnt surround him, there probably would have been his blood on the field. Nope, Ivory Coast didnt turn me on with that. Theyre playing with North Korea next, which is just as well. I wouldnt have rooted for them in any case, not after this.
guidogodoy wrote:
I've not seen such bad acting since the LAST Stallone movie!
Honestly, that is what I (and many) really cannot stand in football. That bad acting. He runs into Kaká's shoulder with his chest and grabs his face sending Kaká out on a red?!? At least with Ice Hockey or American Football, when they are down, they have blood on the field / ice and, or broken bones! Wimps.
_strat_ wrote:
Kaka is off the field. Not sure if he really hit that player, tho...
Five world cups? Interesting. I know that dumb Italians is only our stereotype, but they should really learn to count. They won it four times. Only Brazil did it five times. The only thing that the Italian national team won five times is the Blue Oyster bar beauty contest.
Lol... I have to work on that... Im really too biased against Italians...
But yeah, if you want stupid, Facebook, Youtube and comments on news pages are really the ultimate. If Im not much mistaken, a few Americans already want to bomb us. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, June 21, 2010 12:39:12 AM)
Becks wrote:
Be aware, they're only very brief highlight videos LOL!
Man a couple of Italian fans going stupid on facebook, saying stuff like 'haha we won 5 world cups you'll never win any so suck my dick' and all sorts of random shit, involving very bad language, LOL!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, so thats where all the highlights are! And Ive been going insane because they remove all of it from Youtube! Thanks!
Becks wrote:
Far out, that's crazy. I missed what happened between Brasil and CIV, off to the Fifa website to watch highlights.
_strat_ wrote:
The worst thing is that they even practice simulating nowadays. Sometimes you dont know wheter to call an ambulance or a movie critic.
jimmyjames wrote:
Yeah that was crap, another candidate for a killing that Ivory Coast player. Shot for bringing the game into disrepute on it's biggest stage. The worst thing about football is all the diving.
guidogodoy wrote:
I've not seen such bad acting since the LAST Stallone movie!
Honestly, that is what I (and many) really cannot stand in football. That bad acting. He runs into Kaká's shoulder with his chest and grabs his face sending Kaká out on a red?!? At least with Ice Hockey or American Football, when they are down, they have blood on the field / ice and, or broken bones! Wimps.
_strat_ wrote:
Kaka is off the field. Not sure if he really hit that player, tho...
Ah, so thats where all the highlights are! And Ive been going insane because they remove all of it from Youtube! Thanks! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, June 21, 2010 12:06:53 AM)
Becks wrote:
Far out, that's crazy. I missed what happened between Brasil and CIV, off to the Fifa website to watch highlights.
_strat_ wrote:
The worst thing is that they even practice simulating nowadays. Sometimes you dont know wheter to call an ambulance or a movie critic.
jimmyjames wrote:
Yeah that was crap, another candidate for a killing that Ivory Coast player. Shot for bringing the game into disrepute on it's biggest stage. The worst thing about football is all the diving.
guidogodoy wrote:
I've not seen such bad acting since the LAST Stallone movie!
Honestly, that is what I (and many) really cannot stand in football. That bad acting. He runs into Kaká's shoulder with his chest and grabs his face sending Kaká out on a red?!? At least with Ice Hockey or American Football, when they are down, they have blood on the field / ice and, or broken bones! Wimps.
_strat_ wrote:
Kaka is off the field. Not sure if he really hit that player, tho...
The worst thing is that they even practice simulating nowadays. Sometimes you dont know wheter to call an ambulance or a movie critic. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:20:54 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Yeah that was crap, another candidate for a killing that Ivory Coast player. Shot for bringing the game into disrepute on it's biggest stage. The worst thing about football is all the diving.
guidogodoy wrote:
I've not seen such bad acting since the LAST Stallone movie!
Honestly, that is what I (and many) really cannot stand in football. That bad acting. He runs into Kaká's shoulder with his chest and grabs his face sending Kaká out on a red?!? At least with Ice Hockey or American Football, when they are down, they have blood on the field / ice and, or broken bones! Wimps.
_strat_ wrote:
Kaka is off the field. Not sure if he really hit that player, tho...
Yeah, they had a whole analysis of that in the studio after the game. Looks like the Ivory Coast player simply saw a good opportunity to screw Brazil, and went for it. Unfortunately, he succeded. Then it was all that business with the rest of them. If Kakas temamates wouldnt surround him, there probably would have been his blood on the field. Nope, Ivory Coast didnt turn me on with that. Theyre playing with North Korea next, which is just as well. I wouldnt have rooted for them in any case, not after this. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 20, 2010 3:17:08 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I've not seen such bad acting since the LAST Stallone movie!
Honestly, that is what I (and many) really cannot stand in football. That bad acting. He runs into Kaká's shoulder with his chest and grabs his face sending Kaká out on a red?!? At least with Ice Hockey or American Football, when they are down, they have blood on the field / ice and, or broken bones! Wimps.
_strat_ wrote:
Kaka is off the field. Not sure if he really hit that player, tho...
Whoops - he reckognised the goal!!! 3-1, yay!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, June 20, 2010 1:06:19 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Shit happens.
Im still rooting for Ivory Coast, but Brazil has really made a comeback from their last game, where they really werent themselves. Really nice playing today.
As I write, the ref has overruled a goal for Ivory Coast. Not fairly either - there was never an offside. Still, it wont change much.
guidogodoy wrote:
Anyone but me watching THIS routing? 3 - 0 Brasil.
That was NEVER a penalty. Good acting skills of the Italian player, tho. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:31:02 AM)
Becks wrote:
Ah fuck. That was a dumb penalty, Smith shouldn't have held the guys shirt, but in saying that, he 'fell over' after he had let go of him.
Maybe I'm just a bit bitter, but it seems our guys can get knocked over and it's ok, but the Italians will go down with even the hairs breadth of a touch of nothing, and get a free kick. Edited at: Sunday, June 20, 2010 7:31:35 AM
Im still rooting for Ivory Coast, but Brazil has really made a comeback from their last game, where they really werent themselves. Really nice playing today.
As I write, the ref has overruled a goal for Ivory Coast. Not fairly either - there was never an offside. Still, it wont change much. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 20, 2010 12:50:02 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Anyone but me watching THIS routing? 3 - 0 Brasil.
Meh... Thats just because they have a strong league, good clubs and good players. It leads them to think that their national team is good too. They should have learned by now that that isnt so.
If England plays against us like they did on the first two games, Im not even worried. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 8:22:59 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Yeah, they are looking good. One thing that really cracks me up is all the hype surrounding England at World Cups and how dismally they perform. I Hope Slovenia bury England, they don't deserve to go through.
Becks wrote:
Yeah they do, but like I said, they need to focus on the next game now. They have a good chance of making the next round.
jimmyjames wrote:
I just saw that disallowed goal. The US have a right to feel very hard done by.
Becks wrote:
I should add, most other sports have a video replay, FIFA is just a bit behind LOL.
Becks wrote:
Even if the world cup was in the US, there would have been no video refs. There never is and never has been in football/soccer. FIFA likes to keep things very old school. Biased reffing isn't an outside the US only thing, it happens everywhere occasionally. And when it is caught, it is dealt with. Like I said, this ref made a poor decision, but he didn't have the benefit of seeing the angles etc we did because in football there is no video reffing full stop.
spapad wrote:
In US sport there would have been the instant replay. I think that call would have been overturned had it taken place here. I don't trust international refs as they tend to call it as they would like it to be, like it happens in the Olympics often. Not saying the ref was biased but even his own country called him 3rd rate.
Oh, well we all know US doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell of winning so all of this is a mute point.
Becks wrote:
Apparently there was a foul in there somewhere, but we're all struggling to figure out where. The ref is only human, he doesn't have the benefit of multi camera views that we have. There's heaps of talk on the US Soccer facebook page about petitioning FIFA - nothing can be done now, all that can happen is they pick themselves up and worry about the upcoming game against Algeria next week.
spapad wrote:
Just watched the condensed version of todays games which is all I could take I think. Must say looks like the US got a screwing on that goal. Saw it from about five different angles and while plenty of the other team should have got yellow cards, no one touched the goal scorer. Kinda sucked. Good thing I'm not passionate about this game or I would be very loud. I do know one thing, if the sound of those horns makes the constant background noise of an angry bee nest I think I would go crazy and start to grab horns away from people and flogg them with them.
Petition? Lol... Never worked, and I hope it wont this time. If they file a petition, then we might think about it too - it was anounced today that one of our star strikers had his ankle broken by Dempsey, and wont be able to play on the cup anymore. Red card? Nope. Not even a yellow one. The ref was crap, but he wasnt biased. He was crap to both teams.
That and Lettermans very funny skit definately makes me root for Algeria in the next round. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 18, 2010 6:52:14 PM)
Becks wrote:
Apparently there was a foul in there somewhere, but we're all struggling to figure out where. The ref is only human, he doesn't have the benefit of multi camera views that we have. There's heaps of talk on the US Soccer facebook page about petitioning FIFA - nothing can be done now, all that can happen is they pick themselves up and worry about the upcoming game against Algeria next week.
spapad wrote:
Just watched the condensed version of todays games which is all I could take I think. Must say looks like the US got a screwing on that goal. Saw it from about five different angles and while plenty of the other team should have got yellow cards, no one touched the goal scorer. Kinda sucked. Good thing I'm not passionate about this game or I would be very loud. I do know one thing, if the sound of those horns makes the constant background noise of an angry bee nest I think I would go crazy and start to grab horns away from people and flogg them with them.
Same with football, thats why they have the group stage. Anyone can beat anyone thats why you play off against each other to see who goes through. Qualification for this tournament is hard enough, this is the final 32 of 100+ playing nations. Every team that makes it has a chance to perform.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Baseball is awesome. I am sure you have heard the term, "the game within the game"...? It actually IS full throttle in its own way. Out guessing the opponent. Putting on plays. Clutch hitting, fielding and focused pitching. Working around an opponent's strengths and exploiting the weaknesses. Much more than throwing and hitting but I was really referring more to AMERICAN football where there is savage violence and all out war. WINNING at all costs!!
As for the series thing, it is simply to determine the BEST team overall, not just the best one on THAT day. Anyone can beat anyone, it is said. By playing five or seven games, the "cream rises" as it were.
jimmyjames wrote:
Then how the hell can you watch baseball. It's hardly full throttle. Also in American sports why is the final result best out of 7 or whatever. Why not just have one game, Baseball, Hockey and Basketball all have a final series rather than a one off. How can you watch?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real".
Well, I sure as hell dont understand you, Freeze... I mean, tahts what the group stage is for in football tournaments - same as the series thing. Algeria sucked against us, but they came back and were great against England today. Serbia sucked in the first game, but they came back and beaten the Germans today. Thats whats its all about - you dont send a team home right away - you wait until they all played a bit, and then it really turns out who deserves to go on, and who deserves to stay.
Personaly, I only ever watched American Football once (a local sports channel made a brave attempt to promote it here, but crashed and burned after a few weeks of crap ratings), and yeah, it kinda looks like a war. A bunch of guys in armor, piling up on each other, and looking pretty miserable and clueless. Then again, Im looking at it like you look at our football, so I guess we will just have to leave it at that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:50:23 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Baseball is awesome. I am sure you have heard the term, "the game within the game"...? It actually IS full throttle in its own way. Out guessing the opponent. Putting on plays. Clutch hitting, fielding and focused pitching. Working around an opponent's strengths and exploiting the weaknesses. Much more than throwing and hitting but I was really referring more to AMERICAN football where there is savage violence and all out war. WINNING at all costs!!
As for the series thing, it is simply to determine the BEST team overall, not just the best one on THAT day. Anyone can beat anyone, it is said. By playing five or seven games, the "cream rises" as it were.
jimmyjames wrote:
Then how the hell can you watch baseball. It's hardly full throttle. Also in American sports why is the final result best out of 7 or whatever. Why not just have one game, Baseball, Hockey and Basketball all have a final series rather than a one off. How can you watch?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real".
Ah well... I dont like him exactly because of his antics... And whenever Argentina is playing, I am split between rooting against him, or rooting for Messi. Argentinians are pretty pissed with Maradona, tho, or so I hear. Apparently he wasnt a very good coach in the qualifiers. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:48:05 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
He was and is great, his sideline antics and press conferences are one of the highlights of this tournament so far. I would love to see him take Argentina to the Cup again.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, yeah, lol, Ive seen both. They are legendary. The game that almost restarted the Falklands war! Maradona may be a prick, but he can sure play football.
jimmyjames wrote:
94 sucked. The final was decided on penalties. 86 was the best tournament in my life time. Check out Maradonas two goals against England on youtube, one was a handball that still pisses off the English. The other was one of the greatest individual goals ever.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Quieter... A dedicated Brazil fan is lurking around, betting shirts...
Well, I certainly agree about 2002 and 2006 world cups... Even though I do not like Italy. I dont remember 86 and 94.
jimmyjames wrote:
The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
_strat_ wrote:
Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
Becks wrote:
Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK!
Well, that is what it comes down to in the end. Even in the group stage, its only theoretical that a team could qualify for the next round with three ties. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:45:01 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Victory- stay
Loss- Leave
End of story. If its about prolonging the inevitable, perhaps a double elimination format would be better? I don't know. I just hate ties.
_strat_ wrote:
Victory: 3 points
Draw: 1 point
Defeat: 0 points
The losers will go home.
Deep Freeze wrote:
In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real".
Oh, yeah, lol, Ive seen both. They are legendary. The game that almost restarted the Falklands war! Maradona may be a prick, but he can sure play football. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:39:02 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
94 sucked. The final was decided on penalties. 86 was the best tournament in my life time. Check out Maradonas two goals against England on youtube, one was a handball that still pisses off the English. The other was one of the greatest individual goals ever.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Quieter... A dedicated Brazil fan is lurking around, betting shirts...
Well, I certainly agree about 2002 and 2006 world cups... Even though I do not like Italy. I dont remember 86 and 94.
jimmyjames wrote:
The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
_strat_ wrote:
Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
Becks wrote:
Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK!
In theory, yes. You are right. BOTH sides play to win. However, I have seen professional teams playing "NOT to lose". Playing it safe. Not taking chances. Whatever. For me, you do whatever you can, including cheat! If you aint cheatin, you aint tryin....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Fact is, you do what you can and try what you can and hope you get away with it. WINNING is what matters. If they did away with this silly "points" nonsense and required losers to GO HOME you might see a significant increase in passion, my friend!
I am not much for all of the subtleties. I like passionate, full throttle action. I like kill or be killed mentality. I like that raw, take no prisoners attitude. For me, professional sport is about winning at all costs. WIN WIN WIN. Nothing else is acceptable.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real".
Yup. And if it wasnt for draws, we wouldnt have penalty shootouts! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:35:49 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
It's quite a simple game, you have to get the ball into the other teams net without using your hands or making excessive contact. There is a time limit and the score is what it is when the time has elapsed. Draws actually make the tournament more interesting by increasing the number of possible outcomes. Also great if your into gambling, more possibilities up the odds. If you give it a chance Football will grow on you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real".
Lol... Quieter... A dedicated Brazil fan is lurking around, betting shirts...
Well, I certainly agree about 2002 and 2006 world cups... Even though I do not like Italy. I dont remember 86 and 94. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:27:06 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
The 02 World Cup was a shocker in every way. It's funny, crappy World Cups seem to be won by Brazil. 02 was a horrible tournament as was 94, both were won by Brazil. Best World Cups in recent history, 06 ( Italy winners ) and 86 ( Argentina winners ).
_strat_ wrote:
Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach.
Becks wrote:
Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK!
Oh, come on... Both sides play to win, and sometimes it just happens that both sides are equally good. Besides, when there has to be a winner there are tiebreakers. Right now, they play for points.
As far as refs are concerned.. Sometimes refs do influence the outcome of the match. If it wasnt for refs, France wouldnt even be on the cup, thats how much they can influence things. But yeah, no point dwelling on it, and the human element thing is interesting, I must say. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:26:50 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
It is yelloW, strat. I have NO idea what the other is!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, I watched the stupid game and I have NO idea what happened. Ties ("draws") blow. That is all there is to it. You play to WIN. Winning is ALL there is. It is the reason you play! Anything less is FAILURE, especially at this level!!! You do whatever you must to win. ANYTHING. Ties and whatnot are for children in schoolyards. No hurt feelings. Mommy makes it all better, etc.
And as I mentioned, I never feel it is right to blame a referee. They are not PLAYING. They are OFFICIATING. I actually LIKE the "human element". Mistakes are part of sport, for both for players AND officials. It makes things interesting. It keeps it "real".
Nah, no offside, at least not where I could see it... In any case, yeah, good summary. In any case, we have to give it to the refs on this cup. Save for Slovenia vs Usa and Germany vs Serbia, referees on this cup are very professional, and there were very few controversial decisions. If anyone remembers 2002 world cup... That was awfull. We were cheated against Spain, they got cheated in the quarterfinals, Italy was cheated, South Korea has only the refs to thank that they got so far... This is nothing in comparison.
In any case - we will finally be on the same page on Sunday! Beat Italy, and I will move to New Zealand and marry your coach. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 18, 2010 3:11:06 PM)
Becks wrote:
Just found a video of the goal, not sure what was going on, the screen thing said offside, but I'm not sure. The ref saw 'something' cos he blew the whistle before the ball went in. Who knows what he saw though lol. Ah well, as harsh as it sounds, shit happens, deal with it. No point dwelling on shit referees, cos unfortunately they will be encountered in even professional sport. Focus on the next game. I think a draw is a fair result, both teams had defensive lapses from what I saw, and the game was pretty even.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK!
Maybe its just me, but I think most of them were unwarranted. Then again, maybe the ref just likes yellow. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 18, 2010 2:42:46 PM)
Becks wrote:
Just watching a replay of the match now, yellow cards everywhere!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Germans werent themselves today. A very brutal game to. 4-4 in yellow cards.
Becks wrote:
Hmm, Serbia beat Germany eh? I have to say I am surprised, I will try to catch a replay later today though. Another draw too I see, LOL!!
I have one other thing to say...............GO ENGLAND! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
True. Truth be told, the goal was regular, and Im not sure why the referee cancelled it. But, Americans played really rough too, and Dempsey at least should have got sent of for the foul right at the beginning, so when all is said and done, I think 2:2 is a fair result.
Now, we are all hoping that England wont win against Algeria.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Holy crapola! Both teams have tied. Slovenia got lucky that US' third goal didn't count. Cool game!!
Well, ill stick to my opinion, regardless of the shitstorm that seems to have engulfed every web page that ends either with .si or .us... The goal was regular, and it was a nice one too. But since the US team deserved at least one red card and got none, ill say it was all fair in the end, with both teams still looking good to qualify to the round of 16.
As for ties, if our teams make it to the playoffs, you wont have to put up with those anymore, because there cant be a tie in playoffs.
Im just a little bit pissed on the supporters of both countries. Youtube comments always make me feel like a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing, but this is something new alltogether. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 2:47:49 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Speaking as one that very honestly has NO idea what is going on with regard to this game, I can only assume that there was a grievous error by this referee. I would not know it if I saw it but all the ESPN pundits keep babbling on about it so there has to be something there, no? I was watching and it appeared to me that all the players were pushing and shoving and whatnot. Nothing glaringly obvious that I could see. I do know that I NEVER feel it is right to blame an official for a loss. I mean, the fact remains that the US team did not WIN it. Period. Refs and umpires don't make plays...PLAYERS make them. Or, as in this case, do NOT make them. As for the particulars, that is for you soccer folks to debate. I STILL say ties SUCK!
Mhm. Germans werent themselves today. A very brutal game to. 4-4 in yellow cards. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 18, 2010 11:57:44 AM)
Becks wrote:
Hmm, Serbia beat Germany eh? I have to say I am surprised, I will try to catch a replay later today though. Another draw too I see, LOL!!
I have one other thing to say...............GO ENGLAND! LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
True. Truth be told, the goal was regular, and Im not sure why the referee cancelled it. But, Americans played really rough too, and Dempsey at least should have got sent of for the foul right at the beginning, so when all is said and done, I think 2:2 is a fair result.
Now, we are all hoping that England wont win against Algeria.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Holy crapola! Both teams have tied. Slovenia got lucky that US' third goal didn't count. Cool game!!
Perfect! England 0-0 Algeria. With that result, our boys need a draw or better against a very unconvincing England to go on. Maybe not even that, provided that Algerians draw with the US in the next round. Anyway, it was a very good day today. It would have been better if we won against the US, but whats done is done... Maybe its better this way, means that nothing is decided yet.
True. Truth be told, the goal was regular, and Im not sure why the referee cancelled it. But, Americans played really rough too, and Dempsey at least should have got sent of for the foul right at the beginning, so when all is said and done, I think 2:2 is a fair result.
Now, we are all hoping that England wont win against Algeria. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, June 18, 2010 10:06:22 AM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Holy crapola! Both teams have tied. Slovenia got lucky that US' third goal didn't count. Cool game!!
????? WE GOT FREEZE TO WATCH FOOTBALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats better than winning!
Anyway, lets be a bit more carefull... Im pretty nervous here. The US team was better on the first game against England, than ours was against Algeria, even tho we won... We will see. But, you wont see me probably until halftime, likely not until the end of the game, so see you later! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 18, 2010 6:24:25 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well now strat, old boy!! Looks like today is THE day, no? The big "showdown"! I actually have the television on and I am watching (sort of) this Germany/Serbia match as I wait, with as much anticipation as I am able to muster, for our big face off! Mano y mano. Head to head. Gland in gland.....well, you get the idea.
As I still don't (and likely never will) understand this game, I will root with all my nationalistic fervor for a "victory", if that is possible, over the reviled Slovenian infidels!!! FIE I say!!! They shall be reduced to grass fodder!! Pounded and left for dead as the mighty Americans flex their soccer superiority for "all" the world to witness!!!
There now. Have I sufficiently captured the essence of this truly epic event??? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Great game between Mexico and France! I was rooting for Mexico, and they certainly didnt let me down. Now, truth be told, I think that the first goal was scored from an offside, but since they were playing against a team that cheated its way into the cup, that doesnt bother me much. The penalty was clean, in any case.
Cant wait for tomorrow - Serbia vs. Germany (rooting for Serbia, of course), then in the afternoon... -insert drum roll here- Slovenia vs. USA! Keep your shirts Guido - I am NOT betting!
The new ball looks great! Seems that its made out of a lot less pieces of leather than the previous ones. I can certainly see how it makes keepers pissed. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, June 17, 2010 1:52:48 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
The tactile "feel" of it is hard to describe. Amazingly smooth. Now I know why the ball seems to "fly" on people. It is like a baseball or American football without the seams. Nothing to really grip when compared with that 2006 ball. With the latter, you can get your foot into a groove to give it some spin. Not so with this new monster.
Now I just have to figure out how to break down and store the box. Heck if I am using either of these in real games. Especially the 2010. Too damn expensive! LOL!!
joedraper wrote:
It is a big difference but... I dig it! It's the Jabulani ball! Beautiful isn't it?
guidogodoy wrote:
I'VE GOT BIG BALLS! I'VE GOT BIG BALLS! LOL!!
Case is even cool. Inside are pictures of a number of previous WC balls.
Big difference from the 2006 - Germany WC ball.
Oh, I do agree about the Spanish, tho. Hate Honduras - we have unsettled football scores with the bastards... Swiss arent my favourites either, so it will be Spain and Chile in that group for me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:27:15 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, you just like Stalinist Dictatorships and Kim Jong-il.
If you can't buy a jersey, how about you just get a pair of his funky glasses?
Like I said from the start...I am hoping for good things for Spain this time around. They were looking strong. I agree in that it isn't Brazil's year.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont have a North Korean shirt to bet, but after tonight, I just might start looking for one.
I vote this the best game so far. The Brazilians, although they won, were IMO a BIG disapointment. Looking at statistics and predictions, they should have dominated the game, but really, they were lucky it ended with 2-1. The Koreans were great, played with all their hearts, and played like real sportsmen. Practicly no fouls, and when they did commit one, apologosied right away, no arguing with the referee... I really, really wish them all the best, and I will root for them in both games (or hopefully more) that they have in front of them.
guidogodoy wrote:
I'll bet you a shirt that Brazil wins! LOL!!!
Damn satellite SUCKS!! Game is coming in and out. I HATE this service (lack thereof, more like). SCREW DISHNETWORK!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You mean Urugvay? But yeah, I will root for SA.
Tonight will be interesting too. Apparently, the North Korean team is a total enigma. Two players play in Japan, one in Russia, but all the rest play in North Korea, and there just doesnt seem to be any information about the quality of the team. I will be rooting for them, and I hope they can upset Brazil, which has seen better days.
joedraper wrote:
Becks! Your boys played a great game! I was rooting for you big time.. When they scored I was elated! Worth staying up for huh? lol
Yep, Strat.. so far everyone seems to be drawing.. I want a real ass-kicking game! Let's see what happens tonight with Korea and Brazil..
Tomorrow SA is up against Paraguay so please, please root for us!
Becks wrote:
OMG I am so excited, but need to go back to bed LOL! NZ just drew 1-1 against Slovakia - our second appearance at a world cup, and our first ever point! Scored in extra time! YAY!!!! I do think Slovakia played better overall (we had periods of good play), the ref liked to give away free kicks, but anyway, YAY!
You forgot to mention that I like gulags, purges, baby-eating and long walks on the beach.
Sorry, but Brazil wasnt itself tonight. If the mighty Brazil, the worst fear of every other team in the world, 5-times champions of the world, only team that never missed a world cup, had to wait for so long to score against such an outsider, and then even to recieve a goal from them... Sorry, I call it a disapointment. Brazilians are primadonas, which they always were, but there was a time when they were primadonas for a reason. Not anymore.
I was really afraid that the Koreans will go for a bunker, just defensive play with no attacks, but that wasnt so. They can really be proud of themselves. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:27:15 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, you just like Stalinist Dictatorships and Kim Jong-il.
If you can't buy a jersey, how about you just get a pair of his funky glasses?
Like I said from the start...I am hoping for good things for Spain this time around. They were looking strong. I agree in that it isn't Brazil's year.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont have a North Korean shirt to bet, but after tonight, I just might start looking for one.
I vote this the best game so far. The Brazilians, although they won, were IMO a BIG disapointment. Looking at statistics and predictions, they should have dominated the game, but really, they were lucky it ended with 2-1. The Koreans were great, played with all their hearts, and played like real sportsmen. Practicly no fouls, and when they did commit one, apologosied right away, no arguing with the referee... I really, really wish them all the best, and I will root for them in both games (or hopefully more) that they have in front of them.
guidogodoy wrote:
I'll bet you a shirt that Brazil wins! LOL!!!
Damn satellite SUCKS!! Game is coming in and out. I HATE this service (lack thereof, more like). SCREW DISHNETWORK!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You mean Urugvay? But yeah, I will root for SA.
Tonight will be interesting too. Apparently, the North Korean team is a total enigma. Two players play in Japan, one in Russia, but all the rest play in North Korea, and there just doesnt seem to be any information about the quality of the team. I will be rooting for them, and I hope they can upset Brazil, which has seen better days.
joedraper wrote:
Becks! Your boys played a great game! I was rooting for you big time.. When they scored I was elated! Worth staying up for huh? lol
Yep, Strat.. so far everyone seems to be drawing.. I want a real ass-kicking game! Let's see what happens tonight with Korea and Brazil..
Tomorrow SA is up against Paraguay so please, please root for us!
Becks wrote:
OMG I am so excited, but need to go back to bed LOL! NZ just drew 1-1 against Slovakia - our second appearance at a world cup, and our first ever point! Scored in extra time! YAY!!!! I do think Slovakia played better overall (we had periods of good play), the ref liked to give away free kicks, but anyway, YAY!
Well, I dont have a North Korean shirt to bet, but after tonight, I just might start looking for one.
I vote this the best game so far. The Brazilians, although they won, were IMO a BIG disapointment. Looking at statistics and predictions, they should have dominated the game, but really, they were lucky it ended with 2-1. The Koreans were great, played with all their hearts, and played like real sportsmen. Practicly no fouls, and when they did commit one, apologosied right away, no arguing with the referee... I really, really wish them all the best, and I will root for them in both games (or hopefully more) that they have in front of them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, June 15, 2010 12:18:43 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I'll bet you a shirt that Brazil wins! LOL!!!
Damn satellite SUCKS!! Game is coming in and out. I HATE this service (lack thereof, more like). SCREW DISHNETWORK!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You mean Urugvay? But yeah, I will root for SA.
Tonight will be interesting too. Apparently, the North Korean team is a total enigma. Two players play in Japan, one in Russia, but all the rest play in North Korea, and there just doesnt seem to be any information about the quality of the team. I will be rooting for them, and I hope they can upset Brazil, which has seen better days.
joedraper wrote:
Becks! Your boys played a great game! I was rooting for you big time.. When they scored I was elated! Worth staying up for huh? lol
Yep, Strat.. so far everyone seems to be drawing.. I want a real ass-kicking game! Let's see what happens tonight with Korea and Brazil..
Tomorrow SA is up against Paraguay so please, please root for us!
Becks wrote:
OMG I am so excited, but need to go back to bed LOL! NZ just drew 1-1 against Slovakia - our second appearance at a world cup, and our first ever point! Scored in extra time! YAY!!!! I do think Slovakia played better overall (we had periods of good play), the ref liked to give away free kicks, but anyway, YAY!
Tonight will be interesting too. Apparently, the North Korean team is a total enigma. Two players play in Japan, one in Russia, but all the rest play in North Korea, and there just doesnt seem to be any information about the quality of the team. I will be rooting for them, and I hope they can upset Brazil, which has seen better days. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:55:34 AM)
joedraper wrote:
Becks! Your boys played a great game! I was rooting for you big time.. When they scored I was elated! Worth staying up for huh? lol
Yep, Strat.. so far everyone seems to be drawing.. I want a real ass-kicking game! Let's see what happens tonight with Korea and Brazil..
Tomorrow SA is up against Paraguay so please, please root for us!
Becks wrote:
OMG I am so excited, but need to go back to bed LOL! NZ just drew 1-1 against Slovakia - our second appearance at a world cup, and our first ever point! Scored in extra time! YAY!!!! I do think Slovakia played better overall (we had periods of good play), the ref liked to give away free kicks, but anyway, YAY!
Well, if there needs to be a winner, there are tie-brakers. Not in leagues, or group stages of tournaments, when teams play for points (3 for a victory, 1 for draw, 0 for losing), but in knock-out games, there additional time of two times 15 minutes, if there is no victor after that, theres penalty shootouts. Its not like two teams can win the same trophy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:47:13 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Football has "overtime". It is a "sudden death" format which means the first team to score wins (College rules are a bit different). Baseball goes until there is a winner. No time limits. I have seen games that were suspended until the next day but that does not seem to happen anymore. They just keep playing until there is a victor. How can one call something a "win" when there is no score??? Sort of like passing kids through school regardless of their grades, huh??....HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"No Soccer Team Left Behind"..... BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Cant baseball or american football end with a tie?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I really cannot make an intelligent comment as I do not understand the game at all. Kind of looks like hockey and I struggle with THAT as well. All seems incredibly long and drawn out...and this is coming from a BASEBALL fan! Just makes NO sense to play a game where there is the chance that it will "end" in a TIE! All seems so pointless.
As for all the sexual innuendo...well, that is not for me to decide. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cant baseball or american football end with a tie? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:22:44 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I really cannot make an intelligent comment as I do not understand the game at all. Kind of looks like hockey and I struggle with THAT as well. All seems incredibly long and drawn out...and this is coming from a BASEBALL fan! Just makes NO sense to play a game where there is the chance that it will "end" in a TIE! All seems so pointless.
As for all the sexual innuendo...well, that is not for me to decide. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mhm, should be interesting in this group. All teams with the same number of points, and the same number of goals. Whatever happens, I hope Italy get eliminated. New Zealand and Slovakia are my favourites. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:25:09 AM)
Becks wrote:
OMG I am so excited, but need to go back to bed LOL! NZ just drew 1-1 against Slovakia - our second appearance at a world cup, and our first ever point! Scored in extra time! YAY!!!! I do think Slovakia played better overall (we had periods of good play), the ref liked to give away free kicks, but anyway, YAY!
Then again, it means some really interesting situations. Not that long ago the Japanese team lost 2 -1, even tho they scored all three goals. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 14, 2010 12:33:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
if you didnt count it I bet it would happen more. if you screw up you get punished. simple rule in life, as well as sport.
_strat_ wrote:
Dunno. Its pretty rare, doesnt change the way teams play football very much... Only screws up unlucky players.
Head banger wrote:
you have to count it. otherwise that becomes a defensive play, doesnt punish screwups....
_strat_ wrote:
What do you mean? Sure Im serious.
Head banger wrote:
seriously?
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... First own goal of the cup. Dutch now lead Denmark 1- 0... Too bad, although I am rooting for the Dutch. I always thought that own goals shouldnt count, tho.
Well, I was rooting for Paraguay. I was delighted when they scored, and not so much when the Macaroners equalised. Good game overall. Is it just me, or is this world cup really a bit of a drag? Save for this game and yesterdays game between Australia and Germany, we are yet to see a really exciting match. Maybe tomorrow with North Korea and Brazil? I will be rooting for the Koreans in any case.
As far as your team is concerned, Id say that todays result is good, since neither of your future opponents got three points. But then again, its really to early to say anything for sure.
Woops, missed that LOL! Sure I'll see it on the news after work. Watching Paraguay vs Italy at the moment, not sure who to cheer for, they're in our pool and the race for second could be close so hmmm.
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... First own goal of the cup. Dutch now lead Denmark 1- 0... Too bad, although I am rooting for the Dutch. I always thought that own goals shouldnt count, tho.
And before you ask: yes, they are English. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, June 14, 2010 2:09:16 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, this looks MUCH more "manly!"
_strat_ wrote:
Manly, isnt it?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!! Nyah nyah...so THERE!! Way to be definitive, strat! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Its better than a sport in which players beat their balls with big, hard, dick-shaped bats.
Just wait till friday for the USA - Slovenia game... I guarantee you that only your team will have a zero in the end result. I think. I hope. I have a feeling, anyway...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Look wiseguy, I most certainly AM representitive of most Americans!!! I am fat, lazy, obtuse and self-absorbed! Oh, and soccer SUCKS!!!! You friggin Euros kill me! What kind of a "sport" has FINAL score of 0-0...?????
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Love ya, strat.
_strat_ wrote:
So DF is not representative of the majority of Americans? Thats a relief...
In any case - I hope that the TV stations will air all your games, so you can see how we will kick your ass on the 18th.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup. It was in the link I posted on the ball. Try to figure out how much THIS one cost! Wasn't too far away...
It is a complete fallacy that Americans aren't into the World Cup (or football in general). We all play and there are far too many hispanics here to believe it. Just not a great commercial success due to lack of airtime, promotion, etc.
Calvin has already taken to hiding once I have the ol' ball out and am bouncing it off the walls. I'll have to dig out my Brazil / Penta pix.
_strat_ wrote:
You do know that the new one costs 150$? Personaly, when I was a kid, we kicked anything that was round... Including basketballs, if there was nothing else.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yeah, but now I have to buy a new ball! My Germany one is outdated...
_strat_ wrote:
More curves means more pissed keepers means more goals... Fine with me!
guidogodoy wrote:
I just want to see some of those wicked curves thanks to the new (goofy) ball! Nightmare of all keepers!
Well, if its any consolation, you didnt miss much today... The first game was allright, but the second one was a drag. Anyway, USAs first game is tomorrow, on a saturday.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think that work should be called off due to "game."
Sux having to try to catch scores on the internet here and there.
True, true... But, one of them is you know... Being the girl, the other has yellow tights. So I cant really make up my mind. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 14, 2010 1:43:19 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hmm..I guess it all depends on which guy you are talking about. BWAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Manly, isnt it?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!! Nyah nyah...so THERE!! Way to be definitive, strat! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Its better than a sport in which players beat their balls with big, hard, dick-shaped bats.
Just wait till friday for the USA - Slovenia game... I guarantee you that only your team will have a zero in the end result. I think. I hope. I have a feeling, anyway...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Look wiseguy, I most certainly AM representitive of most Americans!!! I am fat, lazy, obtuse and self-absorbed! Oh, and soccer SUCKS!!!! You friggin Euros kill me! What kind of a "sport" has FINAL score of 0-0...?????
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Love ya, strat.
_strat_ wrote:
So DF is not representative of the majority of Americans? Thats a relief...
In any case - I hope that the TV stations will air all your games, so you can see how we will kick your ass on the 18th.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup. It was in the link I posted on the ball. Try to figure out how much THIS one cost! Wasn't too far away...
It is a complete fallacy that Americans aren't into the World Cup (or football in general). We all play and there are far too many hispanics here to believe it. Just not a great commercial success due to lack of airtime, promotion, etc.
Calvin has already taken to hiding once I have the ol' ball out and am bouncing it off the walls. I'll have to dig out my Brazil / Penta pix.
_strat_ wrote:
You do know that the new one costs 150$? Personaly, when I was a kid, we kicked anything that was round... Including basketballs, if there was nothing else.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yeah, but now I have to buy a new ball! My Germany one is outdated...
_strat_ wrote:
More curves means more pissed keepers means more goals... Fine with me!
guidogodoy wrote:
I just want to see some of those wicked curves thanks to the new (goofy) ball! Nightmare of all keepers!
Well, if its any consolation, you didnt miss much today... The first game was allright, but the second one was a drag. Anyway, USAs first game is tomorrow, on a saturday.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think that work should be called off due to "game."
Sux having to try to catch scores on the internet here and there.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!! Nyah nyah...so THERE!! Way to be definitive, strat! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Its better than a sport in which players beat their balls with big, hard, dick-shaped bats.
Just wait till friday for the USA - Slovenia game... I guarantee you that only your team will have a zero in the end result. I think. I hope. I have a feeling, anyway...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Look wiseguy, I most certainly AM representitive of most Americans!!! I am fat, lazy, obtuse and self-absorbed! Oh, and soccer SUCKS!!!! You friggin Euros kill me! What kind of a "sport" has FINAL score of 0-0...?????
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Love ya, strat.
_strat_ wrote:
So DF is not representative of the majority of Americans? Thats a relief...
In any case - I hope that the TV stations will air all your games, so you can see how we will kick your ass on the 18th.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup. It was in the link I posted on the ball. Try to figure out how much THIS one cost! Wasn't too far away...
It is a complete fallacy that Americans aren't into the World Cup (or football in general). We all play and there are far too many hispanics here to believe it. Just not a great commercial success due to lack of airtime, promotion, etc.
Calvin has already taken to hiding once I have the ol' ball out and am bouncing it off the walls. I'll have to dig out my Brazil / Penta pix.
_strat_ wrote:
You do know that the new one costs 150$? Personaly, when I was a kid, we kicked anything that was round... Including basketballs, if there was nothing else.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yeah, but now I have to buy a new ball! My Germany one is outdated...
_strat_ wrote:
More curves means more pissed keepers means more goals... Fine with me!
guidogodoy wrote:
I just want to see some of those wicked curves thanks to the new (goofy) ball! Nightmare of all keepers!
Well, if its any consolation, you didnt miss much today... The first game was allright, but the second one was a drag. Anyway, USAs first game is tomorrow, on a saturday.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think that work should be called off due to "game."
Sux having to try to catch scores on the internet here and there.
Dunno. Its pretty rare, doesnt change the way teams play football very much... Only screws up unlucky players. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 14, 2010 8:42:30 AM)
Head banger wrote:
you have to count it. otherwise that becomes a defensive play, doesnt punish screwups....
_strat_ wrote:
What do you mean? Sure Im serious.
Head banger wrote:
seriously?
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... First own goal of the cup. Dutch now lead Denmark 1- 0... Too bad, although I am rooting for the Dutch. I always thought that own goals shouldnt count, tho.
Lol... Its better than a sport in which players beat their balls with big, hard, dick-shaped bats.
Just wait till friday for the USA - Slovenia game... I guarantee you that only your team will have a zero in the end result. I think. I hope. I have a feeling, anyway... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 14, 2010 8:09:49 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Look wiseguy, I most certainly AM representitive of most Americans!!! I am fat, lazy, obtuse and self-absorbed! Oh, and soccer SUCKS!!!! You friggin Euros kill me! What kind of a "sport" has FINAL score of 0-0...?????
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Love ya, strat.
_strat_ wrote:
So DF is not representative of the majority of Americans? Thats a relief...
In any case - I hope that the TV stations will air all your games, so you can see how we will kick your ass on the 18th.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup. It was in the link I posted on the ball. Try to figure out how much THIS one cost! Wasn't too far away...
It is a complete fallacy that Americans aren't into the World Cup (or football in general). We all play and there are far too many hispanics here to believe it. Just not a great commercial success due to lack of airtime, promotion, etc.
Calvin has already taken to hiding once I have the ol' ball out and am bouncing it off the walls. I'll have to dig out my Brazil / Penta pix.
_strat_ wrote:
You do know that the new one costs 150$? Personaly, when I was a kid, we kicked anything that was round... Including basketballs, if there was nothing else.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yeah, but now I have to buy a new ball! My Germany one is outdated...
_strat_ wrote:
More curves means more pissed keepers means more goals... Fine with me!
guidogodoy wrote:
I just want to see some of those wicked curves thanks to the new (goofy) ball! Nightmare of all keepers!
Well, if its any consolation, you didnt miss much today... The first game was allright, but the second one was a drag. Anyway, USAs first game is tomorrow, on a saturday.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think that work should be called off due to "game."
Sux having to try to catch scores on the internet here and there.
Ouch... First own goal of the cup. Dutch now lead Denmark 1- 0... Too bad, although I am rooting for the Dutch. I always thought that own goals shouldnt count, tho.
Ouch... First own goal of the cup. Dutch now lead Denmark 1- 0... Too bad, although I am rooting for the Dutch. I always thought that own goals shouldnt count, tho.
Dont underestimate Algeria either - they had to qualify from the African zone, which is a bit harder than qualifying from Europe. Id say that the tomorrow game will be anything but easy. Looking forward to Serbia - Ghana too (its probably not a great feat of thinking to find out who I will be rooting for).
I guess Im pleased with the draw between USA and England, tho I honestly hoped that USA would win... But they were great anyway specialy the keeper. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, June 12, 2010 1:29:30 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup. They are in the same group. Algeria & Slovenia. Group C.
Right about Slovenia. I saw the upset of Slovenia against Russia in the playoffs. Tricky, indeed.
Becks wrote:
Will be interesting to see what happens in this group. Slovenia is in this group I think, and they are super tricky LOL.
US team doing some kind of victory lap.
guidogodoy wrote:
Draw! Not bad against the heavily fav., England. I'll take it!
Bah! Quarters??? Talk about a standard of living... Doubt that ours take anything below 1€...
Dawn has been and gone here - and I think thats its bedtime in the US at about the time when its morning over here. Thats why I asked. Well, I have to leave now - got a lot of things to do before the todays games start. See you later!
A meter? Isn't that the thing you have to feed with quarters so they don't tow your car?
Bed. HA! It isn't even close to being dawn yet. I am the Keeper of the Night afterall.
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong? Today I, European (east European, but lets leave the details) will root against our fellow Europeans the English, against people who dont know what a meter is. Its football and everything is possible.
Shouldnt you be in bed by now?
guidogodoy wrote:
LOL!!! The waiter was probably luckier as I was planning on wearing HIS shirt every time I ate there just so I could be rude to the customers.
A Mexican taking France's side....that is just wrong. I should have given him a head-butt to the chest.
_strat_ wrote:
Whoops, sorry. Dunno why I thought so... Anyway, Brazilians have silly shirts anyway, so you probably gained.
guidogodoy wrote:
Read that last post carefully. I never said that Brazil played France in the finals. France DID take out Brazil (and my shirt) in the quarters of 2006.
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... The Brazil - France WC finals were in 1998...
guidogodoy wrote:
I guarantee, I wasn't the only kid to have gone to soccer camp every summer. There is also a reason that the term "soccer mom" exists here. Like I said, most if not ALL kids play.
We'll get the games but on pay channels or, as I prefer, the Spanish channels. For the finals, I'll go hang out at the local Mex restaurant with my Mexican buddies. We usually pack the place. Last round I literally lost my shirt. Brazil vs. France and I bet a waiter my Brazil shirt against a CLEAN shirt from the restaurant. Damn head-butting frogs! LOL!!
Wrong? Today I, European (east European, but lets leave the details) will root against our fellow Europeans the English, against people who dont know what a meter is. Its football and everything is possible.
LOL!!! The waiter was probably luckier as I was planning on wearing HIS shirt every time I ate there just so I could be rude to the customers.
A Mexican taking France's side....that is just wrong. I should have given him a head-butt to the chest.
_strat_ wrote:
Whoops, sorry. Dunno why I thought so... Anyway, Brazilians have silly shirts anyway, so you probably gained.
guidogodoy wrote:
Read that last post carefully. I never said that Brazil played France in the finals. France DID take out Brazil (and my shirt) in the quarters of 2006.
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... The Brazil - France WC finals were in 1998...
guidogodoy wrote:
I guarantee, I wasn't the only kid to have gone to soccer camp every summer. There is also a reason that the term "soccer mom" exists here. Like I said, most if not ALL kids play.
We'll get the games but on pay channels or, as I prefer, the Spanish channels. For the finals, I'll go hang out at the local Mex restaurant with my Mexican buddies. We usually pack the place. Last round I literally lost my shirt. Brazil vs. France and I bet a waiter my Brazil shirt against a CLEAN shirt from the restaurant. Damn head-butting frogs! LOL!!
Whoops, sorry. Dunno why I thought so... Anyway, Brazilians have silly shirts anyway, so you probably gained. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, June 11, 2010 9:38:33 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Read that last post carefully. I never said that Brazil played France in the finals. France DID take out Brazil (and my shirt) in the quarters of 2006.
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... The Brazil - France WC finals were in 1998...
guidogodoy wrote:
I guarantee, I wasn't the only kid to have gone to soccer camp every summer. There is also a reason that the term "soccer mom" exists here. Like I said, most if not ALL kids play.
We'll get the games but on pay channels or, as I prefer, the Spanish channels. For the finals, I'll go hang out at the local Mex restaurant with my Mexican buddies. We usually pack the place. Last round I literally lost my shirt. Brazil vs. France and I bet a waiter my Brazil shirt against a CLEAN shirt from the restaurant. Damn head-butting frogs! LOL!!
Erm... The Brazil - France WC finals were in 1998... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, June 11, 2010 3:40:46 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I guarantee, I wasn't the only kid to have gone to soccer camp every summer. There is also a reason that the term "soccer mom" exists here. Like I said, most if not ALL kids play.
We'll get the games but on pay channels or, as I prefer, the Spanish channels. For the finals, I'll go hang out at the local Mex restaurant with my Mexican buddies. We usually pack the place. Last round I literally lost my shirt. Brazil vs. France and I bet a waiter my Brazil shirt against a CLEAN shirt from the restaurant. Damn head-butting frogs! LOL!!
Oh, now, tactics are tactics, but thats just suicidal! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 11, 2010 5:22:04 PM)
Becks wrote:
Oooh true.
I'm looking forward to USA vs England tomorrow (NZ time). Should be a good game! Apparently the americans have said they're going to try and piss Wayne Rooney off, cos he has a bad temper LOL!
So DF is not representative of the majority of Americans? Thats a relief...
In any case - I hope that the TV stations will air all your games, so you can see how we will kick your ass on the 18th. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, June 11, 2010 3:22:08 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup. It was in the link I posted on the ball. Try to figure out how much THIS one cost! Wasn't too far away...
It is a complete fallacy that Americans aren't into the World Cup (or football in general). We all play and there are far too many hispanics here to believe it. Just not a great commercial success due to lack of airtime, promotion, etc.
Calvin has already taken to hiding once I have the ol' ball out and am bouncing it off the walls. I'll have to dig out my Brazil / Penta pix.
_strat_ wrote:
You do know that the new one costs 150$? Personaly, when I was a kid, we kicked anything that was round... Including basketballs, if there was nothing else.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yeah, but now I have to buy a new ball! My Germany one is outdated...
_strat_ wrote:
More curves means more pissed keepers means more goals... Fine with me!
guidogodoy wrote:
I just want to see some of those wicked curves thanks to the new (goofy) ball! Nightmare of all keepers!
Well, if its any consolation, you didnt miss much today... The first game was allright, but the second one was a drag. Anyway, USAs first game is tomorrow, on a saturday.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think that work should be called off due to "game."
Sux having to try to catch scores on the internet here and there.
...imagine Soy rooting for the US? Lol... That would be something.
Look on the bright side: over the next few weeks millions of people from 31 countries will be crying, odds are I will be among them. But not Canadians. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, June 11, 2010 3:08:00 PM)
Head banger wrote:
true, but in comparison england is way more socialist than the USA. your right its a shame, but heck, most canadians dont know that we didnt qualify....again.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, England isnt exactly a Soviet republic either... But yeah, when it comes to politics I am as anti - American as I can possibly be, but football... Thats a different world, and all I can say is that its a pity that the American public doesnt care for it - they would have someone to root for, allright.
Head banger wrote:
you rooting for the USA?
seriously. they are all capitalists you know.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, Serbia is good no matter the rankings. The current A team was either a world or a European champion (or close to one of those two) in the youth divison. Anyway - definately my 2nd favourite team on the cup.
Tomorrow is a good game: England - USA. Im rooting for the Americans, and since this is the opening game of our group, so we will see who do we have to fear the most. Al Qaida said that they will bomb the match, which might not be that bad... Then us and Algerians qualify automaticaly.
And Im hoping against odds that Nigeria can beat Argentina - I cant stand Maradona.
Good luck against Slovakia on tuesday!
Becks wrote:
Yeah thats true, we beat Serbia in the warm ups which was awesome as LOL! And we're ranked well below them, mostly because we never get to play hardly any international games.
Well, two draws to start the tournament, Uruguay and France drew 0-0. Very interesting.
_strat_ wrote:
Meh, those rankings dont tell much. They include "old glory" too, thats why the Russians are still very high on the FIFA scale, but havent won anything since 1960, when theyve beaten us in the European cup finals... Anyway... My bet in the evening is Urugvay, since the French are not very good nowadays.
Becks wrote:
Well that was a good way to start the world cup. SA definitely challeneged Mexico and very nearly won. I would have thought the players would be a bit happier though, I know they were close to winning, but they're ranked 90th in the world (around there I think) and Mexico are 17th, and they really pushed them very well.
You do know that the new one costs 150$? Personaly, when I was a kid, we kicked anything that was round... Including basketballs, if there was nothing else. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, June 11, 2010 3:04:31 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Yeah, but now I have to buy a new ball! My Germany one is outdated...
_strat_ wrote:
More curves means more pissed keepers means more goals... Fine with me!
guidogodoy wrote:
I just want to see some of those wicked curves thanks to the new (goofy) ball! Nightmare of all keepers!
Well, if its any consolation, you didnt miss much today... The first game was allright, but the second one was a drag. Anyway, USAs first game is tomorrow, on a saturday.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think that work should be called off due to "game."
Sux having to try to catch scores on the internet here and there.
Well, England isnt exactly a Soviet republic either... But yeah, when it comes to politics I am as anti - American as I can possibly be, but football... Thats a different world, and all I can say is that its a pity that the American public doesnt care for it - they would have someone to root for, allright. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, June 11, 2010 2:58:42 PM)
Head banger wrote:
you rooting for the USA?
seriously. they are all capitalists you know.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, Serbia is good no matter the rankings. The current A team was either a world or a European champion (or close to one of those two) in the youth divison. Anyway - definately my 2nd favourite team on the cup.
Tomorrow is a good game: England - USA. Im rooting for the Americans, and since this is the opening game of our group, so we will see who do we have to fear the most. Al Qaida said that they will bomb the match, which might not be that bad... Then us and Algerians qualify automaticaly.
And Im hoping against odds that Nigeria can beat Argentina - I cant stand Maradona.
Good luck against Slovakia on tuesday!
Becks wrote:
Yeah thats true, we beat Serbia in the warm ups which was awesome as LOL! And we're ranked well below them, mostly because we never get to play hardly any international games.
Well, two draws to start the tournament, Uruguay and France drew 0-0. Very interesting.
_strat_ wrote:
Meh, those rankings dont tell much. They include "old glory" too, thats why the Russians are still very high on the FIFA scale, but havent won anything since 1960, when theyve beaten us in the European cup finals... Anyway... My bet in the evening is Urugvay, since the French are not very good nowadays.
Becks wrote:
Well that was a good way to start the world cup. SA definitely challeneged Mexico and very nearly won. I would have thought the players would be a bit happier though, I know they were close to winning, but they're ranked 90th in the world (around there I think) and Mexico are 17th, and they really pushed them very well.
Well I'm rooting for England, being half English myself LOL! Wouldn't be surprised to see them crash out though.
Thanks! Hopefully we can get a point or two from the game. I'm very excited about it. I hope you guys go well against Algeria! I reckon you guys could win it.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, Serbia is good no matter the rankings. The current A team was either a world or a European champion (or close to one of those two) in the youth divison. Anyway - definately my 2nd favourite team on the cup.
Tomorrow is a good game: England - USA. Im rooting for the Americans, and since this is the opening game of our group, so we will see who do we have to fear the most. Al Qaida said that they will bomb the match, which might not be that bad... Then us and Algerians qualify automaticaly.
And Im hoping against odds that Nigeria can beat Argentina - I cant stand Maradona.
Good luck against Slovakia on tuesday!
Becks wrote:
Yeah thats true, we beat Serbia in the warm ups which was awesome as LOL! And we're ranked well below them, mostly because we never get to play hardly any international games.
Well, two draws to start the tournament, Uruguay and France drew 0-0. Very interesting.
_strat_ wrote:
Meh, those rankings dont tell much. They include "old glory" too, thats why the Russians are still very high on the FIFA scale, but havent won anything since 1960, when theyve beaten us in the European cup finals... Anyway... My bet in the evening is Urugvay, since the French are not very good nowadays.
Becks wrote:
Well that was a good way to start the world cup. SA definitely challeneged Mexico and very nearly won. I would have thought the players would be a bit happier though, I know they were close to winning, but they're ranked 90th in the world (around there I think) and Mexico are 17th, and they really pushed them very well.
Well, if its any consolation, you didnt miss much today... The first game was allright, but the second one was a drag. Anyway, USAs first game is tomorrow, on a saturday.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think that work should be called off due to "game."
Sux having to try to catch scores on the internet here and there.
Well, if its any consolation, you didnt miss much today... The first game was allright, but the second one was a drag. Anyway, USAs first game is tomorrow, on a saturday. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, June 11, 2010 2:32:24 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I think that work should be called off due to "game."
Sux having to try to catch scores on the internet here and there.
Oh, Serbia is good no matter the rankings. The current A team was either a world or a European champion (or close to one of those two) in the youth divison. Anyway - definately my 2nd favourite team on the cup.
Tomorrow is a good game: England - USA. Im rooting for the Americans, and since this is the opening game of our group, so we will see who do we have to fear the most. Al Qaida said that they will bomb the match, which might not be that bad... Then us and Algerians qualify automaticaly.
And Im hoping against odds that Nigeria can beat Argentina - I cant stand Maradona.
Yeah thats true, we beat Serbia in the warm ups which was awesome as LOL! And we're ranked well below them, mostly because we never get to play hardly any international games.
Well, two draws to start the tournament, Uruguay and France drew 0-0. Very interesting.
_strat_ wrote:
Meh, those rankings dont tell much. They include "old glory" too, thats why the Russians are still very high on the FIFA scale, but havent won anything since 1960, when theyve beaten us in the European cup finals... Anyway... My bet in the evening is Urugvay, since the French are not very good nowadays.
Becks wrote:
Well that was a good way to start the world cup. SA definitely challeneged Mexico and very nearly won. I would have thought the players would be a bit happier though, I know they were close to winning, but they're ranked 90th in the world (around there I think) and Mexico are 17th, and they really pushed them very well.
Meh, those rankings dont tell much. They include "old glory" too, thats why the Russians are still very high on the FIFA scale, but havent won anything since 1960, when theyve beaten us in the European cup finals... Anyway... My bet in the evening is Urugvay, since the French are not very good nowadays. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 11, 2010 8:56:12 AM)
Becks wrote:
Well that was a good way to start the world cup. SA definitely challeneged Mexico and very nearly won. I would have thought the players would be a bit happier though, I know they were close to winning, but they're ranked 90th in the world (around there I think) and Mexico are 17th, and they really pushed them very well.
Yup. SA was pretty vague at the beginning, but they are coming along. The last minutes of the first half were theirs, and I think that hte second half looks very promising. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 11, 2010 7:48:43 AM)
Becks wrote:
I was thinking the same thing Strat. SA aren't doing badly so far, bar a few defensive areas too close to their goal, not marking etc. When they are on attack though, not too bad!
_strat_ wrote:
Still rooting for SA, but Mexico are A LOT better then I expected - hell, they just scored, but it was cancelled because of an offside! Still, it will lift their spirits considerably.
Still rooting for SA, but Mexico are A LOT better then I expected - hell, they just scored, but it was cancelled because of an offside! Still, it will lift their spirits considerably.
It wasnt me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Vail did it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 11, 2010 6:20:17 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Woke up this morning and I can't find my teeth NOR my bus pass!! Worse yet, they are a butt load of cats licking eggs off my porch..??????
LOl... Unfortunately all the games are in the afternoon, so we cant be excused from work. Im not kidding: it would be a perfectly acceptable excuse.
Im already thinking about deleting all Americans and English from my friends list. Friendship is all fine and well, but football comes first. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Friday, June 11, 2010 1:18:40 AM)
joedraper wrote:
IT'S TODAY IT'S TODAY IT'S TODAY!!!!!
Going to a big-screen kick of party at 2pm today which is going to be awesomeness incarnate! Then the match kicks off at 4pm today our time I think.. How anyone in SA is expected to work like it's a normal friday is beyond me.
Kids are so hyped up and er so are we ha ha ha haha!
To all my Mexican friends: We can still be friends up until 4pm today and then we kick your butts! I mean er.. Good luck may the best team win!!! Hahahahaha
I have a feeling that someone wont be hailing either of us when he opens the thread... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:40:53 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
All hail Strat, the modest genius!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Duh?!?!?!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YOU'RE A GENIUS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:29:46 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
A cat! They all love cats!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...you make a good point. We must bring some form of protection in case of a counter-attack.
_strat_ wrote:
Dont underestimate the old folk. When they were our age they had to walk for 10 miles to school, uphill (both ways), through snow, rain and hail (all at once and all year round), and even tho they walked, they always gave bus seats to their elders. They are fit.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Cool. I doubt he can throw that far, though.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, but if he starts throwing back false teeth and pensioner bus passes... I will blame you.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yup, you are right Budred. Do you know what happened to the toddler in the pic I posted? Just backread a couple more pages and you'll see her again as a 21-year-old.
Hey Strat! Looks like Father Time isn't paying attention now. Let's go and throw eggs at his house.
You forgot to mention how incredibly modest I am. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:33:58 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
YOU'RE A GENIUS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:29:46 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
A cat! They all love cats!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...you make a good point. We must bring some form of protection in case of a counter-attack.
_strat_ wrote:
Dont underestimate the old folk. When they were our age they had to walk for 10 miles to school, uphill (both ways), through snow, rain and hail (all at once and all year round), and even tho they walked, they always gave bus seats to their elders. They are fit.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Cool. I doubt he can throw that far, though.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, but if he starts throwing back false teeth and pensioner bus passes... I will blame you.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yup, you are right Budred. Do you know what happened to the toddler in the pic I posted? Just backread a couple more pages and you'll see her again as a 21-year-old.
Hey Strat! Looks like Father Time isn't paying attention now. Let's go and throw eggs at his house.
YOU'RE A GENIUS! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:29:46 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
A cat! They all love cats!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmm...you make a good point. We must bring some form of protection in case of a counter-attack.
_strat_ wrote:
Dont underestimate the old folk. When they were our age they had to walk for 10 miles to school, uphill (both ways), through snow, rain and hail (all at once and all year round), and even tho they walked, they always gave bus seats to their elders. They are fit.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Cool. I doubt he can throw that far, though.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, but if he starts throwing back false teeth and pensioner bus passes... I will blame you.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yup, you are right Budred. Do you know what happened to the toddler in the pic I posted? Just backread a couple more pages and you'll see her again as a 21-year-old.
Hey Strat! Looks like Father Time isn't paying attention now. Let's go and throw eggs at his house.
Hmmm...you make a good point. We must bring some form of protection in case of a counter-attack.
_strat_ wrote:
Dont underestimate the old folk. When they were our age they had to walk for 10 miles to school, uphill (both ways), through snow, rain and hail (all at once and all year round), and even tho they walked, they always gave bus seats to their elders. They are fit.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Cool. I doubt he can throw that far, though.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, but if he starts throwing back false teeth and pensioner bus passes... I will blame you.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yup, you are right Budred. Do you know what happened to the toddler in the pic I posted? Just backread a couple more pages and you'll see her again as a 21-year-old.
Hey Strat! Looks like Father Time isn't paying attention now. Let's go and throw eggs at his house.
Dont underestimate the old folk. When they were our age they had to walk for 10 miles to school, uphill (both ways), through snow, rain and hail (all at once and all year round), and even tho they walked, they always gave bus seats to their elders. They are fit. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:16:15 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Cool. I doubt he can throw that far, though.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, but if he starts throwing back false teeth and pensioner bus passes... I will blame you.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yup, you are right Budred. Do you know what happened to the toddler in the pic I posted? Just backread a couple more pages and you'll see her again as a 21-year-old.
Hey Strat! Looks like Father Time isn't paying attention now. Let's go and throw eggs at his house.
At what time will the matches be in your time zone? It will be at 2 past noon by our time (the first match). Wont you ahve it in the middle of the night? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:18:16 PM)
Becks wrote:
Todays the day! Woohoo! Can't wait for the matches to start!
Yup, you are right Budred. Do you know what happened to the toddler in the pic I posted? Just backread a couple more pages and you'll see her again as a 21-year-old.
Hey Strat! Looks like Father Time isn't paying attention now. Let's go and throw eggs at his house.
Father Time???!?!?!?!?!?!???? Look wisenheimer, just because I am not here as often does NOT mean I am not watching!!! Pff!! "Father Time" indeed!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh and BTW: While it may be true that women tend show their age faster, you always make it a point to show yours very, very frequently. You should know that spamming the Old Timers thread won't make you any younger, viejo baboso. Your affair with Father Time (DF) certainly won't help, either. (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 06, 2010 3:30:22 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
You do realize that time always rolls forward and that women tend to show their age faster than men, right?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Thanks everyone!
Yup, that was me...in the year of the Painkiller. How old were most of you old-timers back then? In your late-teens, early 20s?
I agree. Lets just walk away and leave the two lovebirds to... Well... To do whatever... Lets just go. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, June 05, 2010 3:22:07 PM)
spapad wrote:
OH, dear god! I don't want to look!! ARRRGHHH!!
guidogodoy wrote:
I suppose "One Night In Freeze" would stir up too much controversy!
A big surprise of this cup - DPR Korea! Qualified for the first time since 1966, got into a group with Portugal now, which, as it happens, is the same team that eliminated them 44 years ago! I hope they do well, not the least because Im concerned about what will happen to the players if they dont do well.
Terrible. His final game for France too. He could have picked a better way to say goodbye. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, June 05, 2010 2:37:00 PM)
Becks wrote:
HA! I remember that! After that it was all downhill for France - they were the better team on the pitch that game and should have won the cup.
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Im rooting for the Bafana! Youre lucky that Zidane isnt playing for France anymore - anyone remembers this:
Guido if I don't put my coins on SA I may be shot or impaled with an assagai! Lol
I've got the car decked out with my flag, windmirror socks and me and the kids have our jerseys ready! lol
Strat! You rooting for us!! Ha thank you!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry to Joe but my $ is on México in this pairing.
_strat_ wrote:
There! Counting down the days to the world cup, Ive decided that we need another thread for football, since the last one fell into oblivion of closed threads.
First game is on friday between the host country (South africa) and Mexico. Cant say whos in a better form, although I will probably end up rooting for South Africa, even though Mexico are the favourites of this match,
On a separate note: great game yesterday, friendly between Slovenia and New Zealand, which we won 3-1... Sorry Becks, I will still have my fingers crossed that you do good at the cup!
I have a hunch that you will. Italians always had a serious issue with arrogance, and they are definately a team that plays well against the big names, and loses to the underdogs. Best of luck. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Saturday, June 05, 2010 2:34:33 PM)
Becks wrote:
Yeah I agree about the second half, it dragged a bit more - we were pleased to keep you guys scoreless that half LOL! Last time we played Italy, we nearly beat them, they only won 4-3, in extra time I believe. Yep it's a great morale booster for you guys - like it was for us beating Serbia! We will try our best to upset Italy for you hehehe.Yeah Rooney is a good player but will foul heaps.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, it wasnt one sided at all. The first half specialy was great, tho the second one was an unbelievable drag. Novakovi� is a great player when all is said and done, although it has to be said that the two goals he scored yesterday were lucky. He had two free kicks from great positions, and made the most of it, but counting on good free kick opportunities isnt going to get us far. Then again - we will be playing against Rooney Flintstone, and he will probably make more fouls than all the rest of the players combined. IDK, overall we are all pleased with the game. Score is great, and it is a nice morale booster for the cup.
Well... Best of luck to your guys. Please, PLEASE - beat Italy for us! They are our neighbours and we hate them dear.
Oh, and speaking of a massive achievement - when our team eliminated Russia from the qualifiers, to qualify for the WC... Our Prime minister went into the changing room and cleaned their football boots. Nuff said.
Becks wrote:
Cheers Strat what are your thoughts on that match? I thought, bar the scoreline, it was pretty evenly matched. A big difference was your strikers were much quicker than our big tall fellas lol. It didn't help when our goal keeper did that whoopsy which lead to the 3rd goal, but your second goal was a bit of a contentious one I feel. Novakovic took about 3 steps or so away from our defender before he fell over and got a penalty. NZ will have to watch out cos we play quite a physical game which some teams may take advantage of and the refs may not like. We'll see what happens! Most NZ fans are realistic, that coming away with a point or two at the WC would be a massive achievment (just being there for us is huge!) - football is not our national sport, unfortunately. Best of luck to in the WC Slovenia too!
South Africa v Mexico, I pick Mexico. But I will be cheering on the host nation to make it hard for them!
_strat_ wrote:
There! Counting down the days to the world cup, Ive decided that we need another thread for football, since the last one fell into oblivion of closed threads.
First game is on friday between the host country (South africa) and Mexico. Cant say whos in a better form, although I will probably end up rooting for South Africa, even though Mexico are the favourites of this match,
On a separate note: great game yesterday, friendly between Slovenia and New Zealand, which we won 3-1... Sorry Becks, I will still have my fingers crossed that you do good at the cup!
Guido if I don't put my coins on SA I may be shot or impaled with an assagai! Lol
I've got the car decked out with my flag, windmirror socks and me and the kids have our jerseys ready! lol
Strat! You rooting for us!! Ha thank you!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry to Joe but my $ is on México in this pairing.
_strat_ wrote:
There! Counting down the days to the world cup, Ive decided that we need another thread for football, since the last one fell into oblivion of closed threads.
First game is on friday between the host country (South africa) and Mexico. Cant say whos in a better form, although I will probably end up rooting for South Africa, even though Mexico are the favourites of this match,
On a separate note: great game yesterday, friendly between Slovenia and New Zealand, which we won 3-1... Sorry Becks, I will still have my fingers crossed that you do good at the cup!
Yeah, it wasnt one sided at all. The first half specialy was great, tho the second one was an unbelievable drag. Novakovi� is a great player when all is said and done, although it has to be said that the two goals he scored yesterday were lucky. He had two free kicks from great positions, and made the most of it, but counting on good free kick opportunities isnt going to get us far. Then again - we will be playing against Rooney Flintstone, and he will probably make more fouls than all the rest of the players combined. IDK, overall we are all pleased with the game. Score is great, and it is a nice morale booster for the cup.
Well... Best of luck to your guys. Please, PLEASE - beat Italy for us! They are our neighbours and we hate them dear.
Oh, and speaking of a massive achievement - when our team eliminated Russia from the qualifiers, to qualify for the WC... Our Prime minister went into the changing room and cleaned their football boots. Nuff said.
Cheers Strat what are your thoughts on that match? I thought, bar the scoreline, it was pretty evenly matched. A big difference was your strikers were much quicker than our big tall fellas lol. It didn't help when our goal keeper did that whoopsy which lead to the 3rd goal, but your second goal was a bit of a contentious one I feel. Novakovic took about 3 steps or so away from our defender before he fell over and got a penalty. NZ will have to watch out cos we play quite a physical game which some teams may take advantage of and the refs may not like. We'll see what happens! Most NZ fans are realistic, that coming away with a point or two at the WC would be a massive achievment (just being there for us is huge!) - football is not our national sport, unfortunately. Best of luck to in the WC Slovenia too!
South Africa v Mexico, I pick Mexico. But I will be cheering on the host nation to make it hard for them!
_strat_ wrote:
There! Counting down the days to the world cup, Ive decided that we need another thread for football, since the last one fell into oblivion of closed threads.
First game is on friday between the host country (South africa) and Mexico. Cant say whos in a better form, although I will probably end up rooting for South Africa, even though Mexico are the favourites of this match,
On a separate note: great game yesterday, friendly between Slovenia and New Zealand, which we won 3-1... Sorry Becks, I will still have my fingers crossed that you do good at the cup!
lol - I imagine she does. Anyway, I hope Joe and Blackshadow will back me up with this - I am already outnumbered 2-1 by Mexico supporters.
Cant Imagine how it will be like on the 18th when we play against the United States. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, June 05, 2010 10:59:08 AM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
My mom is very excited about that match. She asked me a few days ago if I could go back home soon so that we could watch it together. She wants Mexico to win.
_strat_ wrote:
There! Counting down the days to the world cup, Ive decided that we need another thread for football, since the last one fell into oblivion of closed threads.
First game is on friday between the host country (South africa) and Mexico. Cant say whos in a better form, although I will probably end up rooting for South Africa, even though Mexico are the favourites of this match,
On a separate note: great game yesterday, friendly between Slovenia and New Zealand, which we won 3-1... Sorry Becks, I will still have my fingers crossed that you do good at the cup!
Well, if Id have to bet, Id bet on Mexico too. I just like South Africans more. They were in our group in WC 2002, and even tho they are not a favourite, I still like them as a team. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, June 05, 2010 10:49:21 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry to Joe but my $ is on México in this pairing.
_strat_ wrote:
There! Counting down the days to the world cup, Ive decided that we need another thread for football, since the last one fell into oblivion of closed threads.
First game is on friday between the host country (South africa) and Mexico. Cant say whos in a better form, although I will probably end up rooting for South Africa, even though Mexico are the favourites of this match,
On a separate note: great game yesterday, friendly between Slovenia and New Zealand, which we won 3-1... Sorry Becks, I will still have my fingers crossed that you do good at the cup!
There! Counting down the days to the world cup, Ive decided that we need another thread for football, since the last one fell into oblivion of closed threads.
First game is on friday between the host country (South africa) and Mexico. Cant say whos in a better form, although I will probably end up rooting for South Africa, even though Mexico are the favourites of this match,
On a separate note: great game yesterday, friendly between Slovenia and New Zealand, which we won 3-1... Sorry Becks, I will still have my fingers crossed that you do good at the cup!
Thats a pretty tough group. Slovakia was first in our qualifiyng group. Italy is always a danger, and Paraguay are far from being write offs too. Well, you will have the same advantage that we do, anyway - Italy is usualy a bit to confident for their own good, and that usualy works against them.
Anyway, we have England, Algeria and the United States (tough luck Guido - maybe if youre good boys we will let you have the second place), and I really hope we can beat England, since they have a wonderfull tradition of getting eliminated in the first round.
Yup. Youre playing against us. We will see - I dont know much about your team, but its a match between two teams who qualified for the cup, so no opponent will be easy.
LOL Strat! We have Italy, Slovakia and Paraguay. We played Italy in a friendly 1-2 years ago and they only beat us in extra time. We just beat Serbia in a friendly a few days ago too, they're ranked 15th we're 78th LOL!!! So we're doing well in the friendly stages. I hope you guys do well too! Who's in your group?
Hey! I just realised! We're playing you guys (Slovenia) in a friendly this weekend! LOL! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, June 01, 2010 2:18:05 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Prepare to cry...
Kidding... Actualy, solidarity is in order - we are the two smallest nations on the world cup. Whos in your group?
Becks wrote:
That's awesome, and like Guido says, let us know any inside info you find out! The NZ team will be arriving in a few days I think, we have a warm up match against Slovenia in Austria on saturday NZ time.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, it is so cool here! The spirit is so cool! We've got everyone with their supporting country flags flying and every friday the whole country is wearing our national team's jersey. The kids are all hyped up and at school they've got a little count-down board in the classroom. Some of the teams are arriving already and it is such a festive feeling.
Becks wrote:
Good to see you Joe! I'm with you on the year running away, June already, eek!
Can't wait for the world cup! If I had won lotto I would be out there to support NZ! The time difference will be a pain for watching matches but that's what a DVD recorder is for LOL!
joedraper wrote:
Hello to the month of June! Can you believe it's June already? Phew! Speak of the year just running away.
I was offline for a few days (glad you all missed me so much lol) I got back today and everything is overflowing! Spending the morning getting all my mail etc sorted.
Anyways.. I hope everyone is having a great day. We've got the World cup in a few days, 9 I believe so there's all the soccar hype going around now. I just hope it all goes well and people enjoy their stay here. Anyone coming out for any games?
Edited at: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:50:33 PM Edited at: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 9:51:14 PM
Kidding... Actualy, solidarity is in order - we are the two smallest nations on the world cup. Whos in your group? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, June 01, 2010 12:09:32 PM)
Becks wrote:
That's awesome, and like Guido says, let us know any inside info you find out! The NZ team will be arriving in a few days I think, we have a warm up match against Slovenia in Austria on saturday NZ time.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, it is so cool here! The spirit is so cool! We've got everyone with their supporting country flags flying and every friday the whole country is wearing our national team's jersey. The kids are all hyped up and at school they've got a little count-down board in the classroom. Some of the teams are arriving already and it is such a festive feeling.
Becks wrote:
Good to see you Joe! I'm with you on the year running away, June already, eek!
Can't wait for the world cup! If I had won lotto I would be out there to support NZ! The time difference will be a pain for watching matches but that's what a DVD recorder is for LOL!
joedraper wrote:
Hello to the month of June! Can you believe it's June already? Phew! Speak of the year just running away.
I was offline for a few days (glad you all missed me so much lol) I got back today and everything is overflowing! Spending the morning getting all my mail etc sorted.
Anyways.. I hope everyone is having a great day. We've got the World cup in a few days, 9 I believe so there's all the soccar hype going around now. I just hope it all goes well and people enjoy their stay here. Anyone coming out for any games?
...maybe he plays drums in his spare time? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, May 15, 2010 3:02:20 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Now THAT is an intelligent theory! I'll have to ponder on it. Janick...yes. It does hold water with the exception that I'd expect better syntax, grammar and spelling from him.
_strat_ wrote:
I think he was - I think that who we are actualy dealing here is Janick Gers and his frustration about being Maidens third guitar... Maybe thats why hes saying that all the new stuff is great, when we all know it stinks.
Most of it. I still think that A matter of life and death is allright.
guidogodoy wrote:
HEY Brian_Evans...tell me about YOUR travels! LOL!!!! No, better yet. Ever been on stage with Maiden?
You must live in Bollockslavia because you fluently speak Bollocks!
_strat_ wrote:
Thou speakest wisely. Verily, ass pimples, nay, Ass Pimples, for they deserve capital initials, are the salt of the earth of our epoch. Never should we squeeze the ass pimples of the ass of history.
And if anyone doesnt understand that - no worries. Neither do I.
Deep Freeze wrote:
As we study history, we find that "ass pimples" are the backbone of greatness. Throughout time, it has been the "ass pimples" that have led the way.. learned us, shown us independence, given the downtrodden hope and generally been the inspiration for all things great. It is important to remember the "ass pimple" when discussing music like Maiden. Never forget how much we all should appreciate the "ass pimples" of the world, for they are the true leaders, innovators and all around "good guys". I think it is the "ass pimples" that need to be here on this Board, showing us all how to speak our minds and not follow the mob rule.
I think he was - I think that who we are actualy dealing here is Janick Gers and his frustration about being Maidens third guitar... Maybe thats why hes saying that all the new stuff is great, when we all know it stinks.
Most of it. I still think that A matter of life and death is allright. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:38:34 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HEY Brian_Evans...tell me about YOUR travels! LOL!!!! No, better yet. Ever been on stage with Maiden?
Thou speakest wisely. Verily, ass pimples, nay, Ass Pimples, for they deserve capital initials, are the salt of the earth of our epoch. Never should we squeeze the ass pimples of the ass of history.
And if anyone doesnt understand that - no worries. Neither do I. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, May 15, 2010 8:21:11 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
As we study history, we find that "ass pimples" are the backbone of greatness. Throughout time, it has been the "ass pimples" that have led the way.. learned us, shown us independence, given the downtrodden hope and generally been the inspiration for all things great. It is important to remember the "ass pimple" when discussing music like Maiden. Never forget how much we all should appreciate the "ass pimples" of the world, for they are the true leaders, innovators and all around "good guys". I think it is the "ass pimples" that need to be here on this Board, showing us all how to speak our minds and not follow the mob rule.
Crap... Didnt know that this page doesnt support cyrillic characters... Well, either way, Chuck wont be happy with you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:23:47 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
You know, there is a thing called google translate...
Dr. Phil? Havent seen him on TV since they stopped showing Oprah. Didnt know that he had a show of his own now. I mean, if he can, then what am I waiting for... Then again what is everyone that can count to ten waiting for...
Yeah - go read a paper. IT cant have grandchildren. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 06, 2010 3:43:25 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, so the Princess is watching "Dr.Phil" which is bad enough, BUT.......the ENTIRE show is about his new grandaughter and it has to be the MOST ridiculous, OVER-BLOWN, HOKEY, SICKLY SWEET load of BULL SH$# I have EVER witnessed!!! I mean, COME ONE, PEOPLE!!! Kids are born EVERYDAY! This one is NOTHING SPECIAL!!! Believe me when I say that it is as run of the mill, average, non-descript a kid I have ever seen and yet, these people are making it Christ him (her?)self!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the parents!! OH GAWD!! The gal keeps going on about how she "never knew such love", followed by phoney, Hollywood-script tears and crap...... grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
I swear, if THIS episode does not make me put a shard of glass to my throat, NOTHING will...............................
As much as I am sure this will pain a large majority of you, I will be heading out on a bit of a "vacation" today and will not be around for a few. Those of you that follow my continuous babbling may recall that we are playing down in Laughlin at the Golden Nugget Hotel this weekend. The Princess' family will be there for the annual reunion and we will be playing a show poolside. YOW!!! (Warm weather+sun+pool= BIKINIS!!)
I have no doubt that you all will find plenty of lunacy and mayhem to entertain you over the next couple days. Seems to me we have enough brainiacs and history scholars here to keep you busy with their pearls of wisdom during this time. (Duhhh, jeepers man! Whaddya tink of DIS band... Can I be one of you now?) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Have an enjoyable weekend, all. I know you cannot be with me in person but MOST of you will be there in spirit!!!
Well, I understand that. I cant stand them either - living next door to a kindergarden does that to you.
I have to go now, its pretty late here... Thanks for the help and goodnight! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:15:07 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!! ME?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??? No way, man! I do NOT have the patience!!! Not to mention I can't stand kids!! HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ever considered becoming a teacher?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes!
_strat_ wrote:
Good, good - I just checked it again, and there are no "though" or "although"s in it.
So basicaly, my previous post was wrong. I guess so. Although. I should have used "though" since I was contrasting the previous sentence... Right?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah!!! I love it!! OK, here goes:
The use of though and although are quite often interchangable. "Though" is considered less formal, however, it can also be used as an adverb to say that the information in the clause is in direct contrast to the information in the previous sentence. "Although" cannot be used in this manner. These words are most often used to explain that there is an unexpected contrast in what happens in the main clause and the adverbial clause.
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeeell... I guess so. Although (and theres another question although or though - which is proper, or are both proper?) I must say that there are members here who dont write properly all of the time, but arent stupid assholes.
Thanks for the reasurrance tho - I had to post a somewhat formal E-Mail in English, and when I checked it (after sending it, of course, thats just me), I found out about this.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now hold on there, young man!!! There ARE rules! Nothing is really ever "set in stone" but one should always strive to be as accurate and "comprehensive" as one possibly can when one is writing, especially in a forum such as this! Afterall, this is your communication vehicle and the way you write says a lot about you! I should think you would want to be as proper as one can be! Don't forget.... I am watching you! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
That was very... Comprehensive. Lol.
So, if I got it right, its not set in stone, and you can basicaly just do how you feel is right. Which is how Ive always been doing it.
Thanks!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh it is SO good to have you back!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The use of a comma with a conjunction is fine when one is connecting two independent clauses ( He sang well, but he often got tired.) Some writers believe that the coordinating conjunction has adequate seperation and will leave the comma out in short, balanced independent clauses. My rule has always been to simply use the comma when in doubt!
More often, a mistake is made when one puts a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Now, that does not mean that it is ALWAYS wrong but it is rare that you would need a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Of course, when speaking we often pause after the little conjunction but there is rarely a need for a comma there when writing. How's that?
_strat_ wrote:
Ive got a question on a certain part of writing in the English language here, regarding the use of the comma.
Now, IDK - I might have been doing it wrong the whole time, because Ive been following the rule that we were taught at Slovene language classes in school, which is that you can never put a comma before or after "and" when writing in Slovene. For example: "I went into the shop, and saw the Nostradamus CD" - if I translated that sentence into Slovene, I would have to ommit the comma, because of that rule.
Now, does English have this rule? I know that in some cases there is no comma, like when you list stuff: "this, that and something else" - no comma. But what about other cases? Are there times when you can put a comma near "and"?
Ever considered becoming a teacher? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:12:02 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes!
_strat_ wrote:
Good, good - I just checked it again, and there are no "though" or "although"s in it.
So basicaly, my previous post was wrong. I guess so. Although. I should have used "though" since I was contrasting the previous sentence... Right?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah!!! I love it!! OK, here goes:
The use of though and although are quite often interchangable. "Though" is considered less formal, however, it can also be used as an adverb to say that the information in the clause is in direct contrast to the information in the previous sentence. "Although" cannot be used in this manner. These words are most often used to explain that there is an unexpected contrast in what happens in the main clause and the adverbial clause.
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeeell... I guess so. Although (and theres another question although or though - which is proper, or are both proper?) I must say that there are members here who dont write properly all of the time, but arent stupid assholes.
Thanks for the reasurrance tho - I had to post a somewhat formal E-Mail in English, and when I checked it (after sending it, of course, thats just me), I found out about this.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now hold on there, young man!!! There ARE rules! Nothing is really ever "set in stone" but one should always strive to be as accurate and "comprehensive" as one possibly can when one is writing, especially in a forum such as this! Afterall, this is your communication vehicle and the way you write says a lot about you! I should think you would want to be as proper as one can be! Don't forget.... I am watching you! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
That was very... Comprehensive. Lol.
So, if I got it right, its not set in stone, and you can basicaly just do how you feel is right. Which is how Ive always been doing it.
Thanks!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh it is SO good to have you back!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The use of a comma with a conjunction is fine when one is connecting two independent clauses ( He sang well, but he often got tired.) Some writers believe that the coordinating conjunction has adequate seperation and will leave the comma out in short, balanced independent clauses. My rule has always been to simply use the comma when in doubt!
More often, a mistake is made when one puts a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Now, that does not mean that it is ALWAYS wrong but it is rare that you would need a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Of course, when speaking we often pause after the little conjunction but there is rarely a need for a comma there when writing. How's that?
_strat_ wrote:
Ive got a question on a certain part of writing in the English language here, regarding the use of the comma.
Now, IDK - I might have been doing it wrong the whole time, because Ive been following the rule that we were taught at Slovene language classes in school, which is that you can never put a comma before or after "and" when writing in Slovene. For example: "I went into the shop, and saw the Nostradamus CD" - if I translated that sentence into Slovene, I would have to ommit the comma, because of that rule.
Now, does English have this rule? I know that in some cases there is no comma, like when you list stuff: "this, that and something else" - no comma. But what about other cases? Are there times when you can put a comma near "and"?
Good, good - I just checked it again, and there are no "though" or "although"s in it.
So basicaly, my previous post was wrong. I guess so. Although. I should have used "though" since I was contrasting the previous sentence... Right? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:03:21 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah!!! I love it!! OK, here goes:
The use of though and although are quite often interchangable. "Though" is considered less formal, however, it can also be used as an adverb to say that the information in the clause is in direct contrast to the information in the previous sentence. "Although" cannot be used in this manner. These words are most often used to explain that there is an unexpected contrast in what happens in the main clause and the adverbial clause.
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeeell... I guess so. Although (and theres another question although or though - which is proper, or are both proper?) I must say that there are members here who dont write properly all of the time, but arent stupid assholes.
Thanks for the reasurrance tho - I had to post a somewhat formal E-Mail in English, and when I checked it (after sending it, of course, thats just me), I found out about this.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now hold on there, young man!!! There ARE rules! Nothing is really ever "set in stone" but one should always strive to be as accurate and "comprehensive" as one possibly can when one is writing, especially in a forum such as this! Afterall, this is your communication vehicle and the way you write says a lot about you! I should think you would want to be as proper as one can be! Don't forget.... I am watching you! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
That was very... Comprehensive. Lol.
So, if I got it right, its not set in stone, and you can basicaly just do how you feel is right. Which is how Ive always been doing it.
Thanks!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh it is SO good to have you back!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The use of a comma with a conjunction is fine when one is connecting two independent clauses ( He sang well, but he often got tired.) Some writers believe that the coordinating conjunction has adequate seperation and will leave the comma out in short, balanced independent clauses. My rule has always been to simply use the comma when in doubt!
More often, a mistake is made when one puts a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Now, that does not mean that it is ALWAYS wrong but it is rare that you would need a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Of course, when speaking we often pause after the little conjunction but there is rarely a need for a comma there when writing. How's that?
_strat_ wrote:
Ive got a question on a certain part of writing in the English language here, regarding the use of the comma.
Now, IDK - I might have been doing it wrong the whole time, because Ive been following the rule that we were taught at Slovene language classes in school, which is that you can never put a comma before or after "and" when writing in Slovene. For example: "I went into the shop, and saw the Nostradamus CD" - if I translated that sentence into Slovene, I would have to ommit the comma, because of that rule.
Now, does English have this rule? I know that in some cases there is no comma, like when you list stuff: "this, that and something else" - no comma. But what about other cases? Are there times when you can put a comma near "and"?
Weeeeell... I guess so. Although (and theres another question although or though - which is proper, or are both proper?) I must say that there are members here who dont write properly all of the time, but arent stupid assholes.
Thanks for the reasurrance tho - I had to post a somewhat formal E-Mail in English, and when I checked it (after sending it, of course, thats just me), I found out about this. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:39:34 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now hold on there, young man!!! There ARE rules! Nothing is really ever "set in stone" but one should always strive to be as accurate and "comprehensive" as one possibly can when one is writing, especially in a forum such as this! Afterall, this is your communication vehicle and the way you write says a lot about you! I should think you would want to be as proper as one can be! Don't forget.... I am watching you! HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
That was very... Comprehensive. Lol.
So, if I got it right, its not set in stone, and you can basicaly just do how you feel is right. Which is how Ive always been doing it.
Thanks!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh it is SO good to have you back!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The use of a comma with a conjunction is fine when one is connecting two independent clauses ( He sang well, but he often got tired.) Some writers believe that the coordinating conjunction has adequate seperation and will leave the comma out in short, balanced independent clauses. My rule has always been to simply use the comma when in doubt!
More often, a mistake is made when one puts a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Now, that does not mean that it is ALWAYS wrong but it is rare that you would need a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Of course, when speaking we often pause after the little conjunction but there is rarely a need for a comma there when writing. How's that?
_strat_ wrote:
Ive got a question on a certain part of writing in the English language here, regarding the use of the comma.
Now, IDK - I might have been doing it wrong the whole time, because Ive been following the rule that we were taught at Slovene language classes in school, which is that you can never put a comma before or after "and" when writing in Slovene. For example: "I went into the shop, and saw the Nostradamus CD" - if I translated that sentence into Slovene, I would have to ommit the comma, because of that rule.
Now, does English have this rule? I know that in some cases there is no comma, like when you list stuff: "this, that and something else" - no comma. But what about other cases? Are there times when you can put a comma near "and"?
The number of exclamation marks learns me everything. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:40:27 PM)
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well then, please do not make a Thread!!!...unless it is about chocolate.
_strat_ wrote:
Tsk - I am perfectly controlable. Chocolate and strawberry juice will get you everyhwhere.
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 1:17:40 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Strat, I know better than to even TRY to control YOU!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
You have not really missed anything, man. Just ANOTHER loser coming here to cause trouble and be an idiot for a cheap laugh and the one or two morons that always seem to join him in an effort to encourage his behavior. ALL been done before.
_strat_ wrote:
I saw it too and I wonder... Who is this guy, and what did he do? Sorry, Ive been away for a while and am not quite up to date on things...
Btw., I suppose it would be wrong of me to make a stupid thread of my own?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning all. I saw the idiotic thread created by one of our long-time trouble makers (Max) and, since I REFUSE to post in it (as I wish you ALL had refused) I figured I would say my piece here. I have no doubt Max and his brethren will see this right here.
I find it laughable that Max would create this thread under the guise of "supporting" Mr. Evans. That is such a crock that it is literally comical. Max supports trouble and discord, period. He has found a vehicle in which to propagate his stupidity and has grabbed it with both hands. Much like his alter-ego FMH, Max is only looking for a cheap laugh. His insincerity is digusting, although not surprising.
History learns us that many independent thinkers were mocked at first, but turned out to be pioneers later.. Are you freakin KIDDING me?!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you're a student of history??? Riiiiiiight! History HAS taught us much about the likes of Evans, that is quite true. I believe Adolf Hitler's thinking was that the "Master Race" simply needed a "Final Solution", no? VERY independent thinking there, huh? Oh yes!! Stuck to his guns, didn't he?
Emperor Hirohito was quite the "Free Thinker", too!! REAL history LEARNS (sic) us that he stuck to his guns, too. Murdered those opposed to his "ideas" during the military revolt of '36. Interestingly enough, he was NOT in favor of an alliance with Germany but did so anyway. GREAT free thinking there! He ended up allied with them and, if I remember correctly, he "stuck to his guns" until a couple huge BOMBS annihilated part of his country and thousands of his people!!! Hmm...a real MAVERICK, that guy!
Ted Bundy had an IQ of over 124. My understanding is that is "superior" intelligence, no? In fact, he was quoted as saying;
I'm not an animal, and I'm not crazy and I'm not a split personality. That's all there is to it. People refuse to believe that. That's their problem. There's nothing in my background, I swear to God, and I know it: I've analyzed my own background and I know there's no doubt in my mind that there's nothing in my background, no one factor or collection of factors that would explain or would otherwise lead one to believe that I was capable of murderHmm..."Its not ME".."You people don't GET me"...."Its YOUR problem".... Sound familiar, Max??? How about YOU, Mr. Evans???
Before our dear Maxie goes about using "history" as an example of why we should praise another TROLL in our world, perhaps he should take some time to REALLY understand it. Get your friggin CRAYON box out and stick with what you know! Leave intelligent thought to those that actually went to school after third grade.
Oh it is SO good to have you back!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The use of a comma with a conjunction is fine when one is connecting two independent clauses ( He sang well, but he often got tired.) Some writers believe that the coordinating conjunction has adequate seperation and will leave the comma out in short, balanced independent clauses. My rule has always been to simply use the comma when in doubt!
More often, a mistake is made when one puts a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Now, that does not mean that it is ALWAYS wrong but it is rare that you would need a comma after a coordinating conjunction. Of course, when speaking we often pause after the little conjunction but there is rarely a need for a comma there when writing. How's that?
_strat_ wrote:
Ive got a question on a certain part of writing in the English language here, regarding the use of the comma.
Now, IDK - I might have been doing it wrong the whole time, because Ive been following the rule that we were taught at Slovene language classes in school, which is that you can never put a comma before or after "and" when writing in Slovene. For example: "I went into the shop, and saw the Nostradamus CD" - if I translated that sentence into Slovene, I would have to ommit the comma, because of that rule.
Now, does English have this rule? I know that in some cases there is no comma, like when you list stuff: "this, that and something else" - no comma. But what about other cases? Are there times when you can put a comma near "and"?
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Strat, I know better than to even TRY to control YOU!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
You have not really missed anything, man. Just ANOTHER loser coming here to cause trouble and be an idiot for a cheap laugh and the one or two morons that always seem to join him in an effort to encourage his behavior. ALL been done before.
_strat_ wrote:
I saw it too and I wonder... Who is this guy, and what did he do? Sorry, Ive been away for a while and am not quite up to date on things...
Btw., I suppose it would be wrong of me to make a stupid thread of my own?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning all. I saw the idiotic thread created by one of our long-time trouble makers (Max) and, since I REFUSE to post in it (as I wish you ALL had refused) I figured I would say my piece here. I have no doubt Max and his brethren will see this right here.
I find it laughable that Max would create this thread under the guise of "supporting" Mr. Evans. That is such a crock that it is literally comical. Max supports trouble and discord, period. He has found a vehicle in which to propagate his stupidity and has grabbed it with both hands. Much like his alter-ego FMH, Max is only looking for a cheap laugh. His insincerity is digusting, although not surprising.
History learns us that many independent thinkers were mocked at first, but turned out to be pioneers later.. Are you freakin KIDDING me?!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you're a student of history??? Riiiiiiight! History HAS taught us much about the likes of Evans, that is quite true. I believe Adolf Hitler's thinking was that the "Master Race" simply needed a "Final Solution", no? VERY independent thinking there, huh? Oh yes!! Stuck to his guns, didn't he?
Emperor Hirohito was quite the "Free Thinker", too!! REAL history LEARNS (sic) us that he stuck to his guns, too. Murdered those opposed to his "ideas" during the military revolt of '36. Interestingly enough, he was NOT in favor of an alliance with Germany but did so anyway. GREAT free thinking there! He ended up allied with them and, if I remember correctly, he "stuck to his guns" until a couple huge BOMBS annihilated part of his country and thousands of his people!!! Hmm...a real MAVERICK, that guy!
Ted Bundy had an IQ of over 124. My understanding is that is "superior" intelligence, no? In fact, he was quoted as saying;
I'm not an animal, and I'm not crazy and I'm not a split personality. That's all there is to it. People refuse to believe that. That's their problem. There's nothing in my background, I swear to God, and I know it: I've analyzed my own background and I know there's no doubt in my mind that there's nothing in my background, no one factor or collection of factors that would explain or would otherwise lead one to believe that I was capable of murderHmm..."Its not ME".."You people don't GET me"...."Its YOUR problem".... Sound familiar, Max??? How about YOU, Mr. Evans???
Before our dear Maxie goes about using "history" as an example of why we should praise another TROLL in our world, perhaps he should take some time to REALLY understand it. Get your friggin CRAYON box out and stick with what you know! Leave intelligent thought to those that actually went to school after third grade.
Ive got a question on a certain part of writing in the English language here, regarding the use of the comma.
Now, IDK - I might have been doing it wrong the whole time, because Ive been following the rule that we were taught at Slovene language classes in school, which is that you can never put a comma before or after "and" when writing in Slovene. For example: "I went into the shop, and saw the Nostradamus CD" - if I translated that sentence into Slovene, I would have to ommit the comma, because of that rule.
Now, does English have this rule? I know that in some cases there is no comma, like when you list stuff: "this, that and something else" - no comma. But what about other cases? Are there times when you can put a comma near "and"?
I saw it too and I wonder... Who is this guy, and what did he do? Sorry, Ive been away for a while and am not quite up to date on things...
Btw., I suppose it would be wrong of me to make a stupid thread of my own? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:01:22 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning all. I saw the idiotic thread created by one of our long-time trouble makers (Max) and, since I REFUSE to post in it (as I wish you ALL had refused) I figured I would say my piece here. I have no doubt Max and his brethren will see this right here.
I find it laughable that Max would create this thread under the guise of "supporting" Mr. Evans. That is such a crock that it is literally comical. Max supports trouble and discord, period. He has found a vehicle in which to propagate his stupidity and has grabbed it with both hands. Much like his alter-ego FMH, Max is only looking for a cheap laugh. His insincerity is digusting, although not surprising.
History learns us that many independent thinkers were mocked at first, but turned out to be pioneers later.. Are you freakin KIDDING me?!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you're a student of history??? Riiiiiiight! History HAS taught us much about the likes of Evans, that is quite true. I believe Adolf Hitler's thinking was that the "Master Race" simply needed a "Final Solution", no? VERY independent thinking there, huh? Oh yes!! Stuck to his guns, didn't he?
Emperor Hirohito was quite the "Free Thinker", too!! REAL history LEARNS (sic) us that he stuck to his guns, too. Murdered those opposed to his "ideas" during the military revolt of '36. Interestingly enough, he was NOT in favor of an alliance with Germany but did so anyway. GREAT free thinking there! He ended up allied with them and, if I remember correctly, he "stuck to his guns" until a couple huge BOMBS annihilated part of his country and thousands of his people!!! Hmm...a real MAVERICK, that guy!
Ted Bundy had an IQ of over 124. My understanding is that is "superior" intelligence, no? In fact, he was quoted as saying;
I'm not an animal, and I'm not crazy and I'm not a split personality. That's all there is to it. People refuse to believe that. That's their problem. There's nothing in my background, I swear to God, and I know it: I've analyzed my own background and I know there's no doubt in my mind that there's nothing in my background, no one factor or collection of factors that would explain or would otherwise lead one to believe that I was capable of murderHmm..."Its not ME".."You people don't GET me"...."Its YOUR problem".... Sound familiar, Max??? How about YOU, Mr. Evans???
Before our dear Maxie goes about using "history" as an example of why we should praise another TROLL in our world, perhaps he should take some time to REALLY understand it. Get your friggin CRAYON box out and stick with what you know! Leave intelligent thought to those that actually went to school after third grade.
Lol... Yes, the graphics are very cool. Go nicely with the theme.
Im about and doing well - but right now I have to be going. Although we have a holiday today, I have to catch up on some work, that I was to lazy to do before. Bye! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, April 27, 2010 5:59:37 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, it is! I have been wearing a black one and decided to try another style. Its the graphics that really are the "cool" part! Anyway, glad to see you are about and doing well!
_strat_ wrote:
Hi, Freeze!
Ive seen your shirt. Its white.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Strat!!! Great to see you again. Missed you, my friend!
The city is Florence (among others) - Tuscany is a region.
Nancy - Id like to see them too. Which places did you go to? I was there a few years back and had a great time too.
Oh, and just by the way... Did you meet any locals who could speak English? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, April 25, 2010 12:37:56 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Sure! I'd like to see them!!
And I believe the spelling for the city is Tuscany. If I'm not mistaken, of course.
nancy101 wrote:
Will have some pics posted of my 2 weeks vacation in Toscane ,Italy shortly,if anyone is interested . Had a wonderful time .
Because they dont want to hire me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:32:27 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Why do so many criticize others for their music tastes. If some are such experts why aren't they
out there managing bands to superstardom?
I don't know. Why aren't football fans that complain about their teams' strategies attempting to become their coaches and leading their teams to superstardom?
Budred wrote:
Hmmmmm...
Why do so many criticize others for their music tastes. If some are such experts why aren't they
out there managing bands to superstardom? Because they would rather sit behind a computer and
attempt to DICTATE what others should be listening to. Screw everyone with these attitudes.
(NOTE: I dont know what you and Freeze have going on, but I think its a great thread, so ill give it a shot)
1. Unexceptional - I would say that it means roughly the same as "nothing special" (not exceptional) - the other would mean something like not controversial 2. No idea - I always thought barbarian is only a noun. For barbaric and barbarous, I would say that they are synonimous
3. If Im not much mistaken reprove and rebuke mean the same thing, but reprove is a gentler way of saying it. Both mean to disagree, while refute means to prove something wrong. I dont know what rebut means, rebuff is (I think) synonimus with refuse.
As for the rest - I know c*cksucker, but thats it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Nicky007 from Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:03:12 AM)
Nicky007 wrote:
As several of us are interested in languages, I'v started this thread as a place where we can share and test each other.
What's nice about it is that it's a win-win situation: We all extend our knowledge.
I'l start with some of the tests that I give people who should know English well, or claim to do so.
What's the difference between unexceptional and unexceptionable ?
- between the adjectives barbarian, barbaric, and barbarous ?
- between reprove, rebuke, refute, rebut, and rebuff ?
- between cockscomb and coxcomb ?
- between c*cksucker and coxsucker ? (Remember, we're just discussing linguistics)
OK, guys, have fun ! Try to first answer these questions without any aids. Then you can use whatever aids you want. I'l fill in with the rest.
And remember: Ya can't fool me !
Mike, I committed the most abominable sin: I started a new thread
But as we love each other (Christian love), I expect that you can forgive me; love forgives ! (Slowly ushering ya in)
Bah! Words! What about a Welcome Home parade?!?!?! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:45:50 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, and welcome home strat!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
As far as RAM is concerned, it doesnt say about the upgrades on the website, I will have to go down to the store to look it up.
Anyway, with games I have a habbit of just picking one and playing it for weeks or even months on end, and it doesnt have to be very new either, so I guess that really isnt a problem then. The apps - I plan on running Photoshop, Illustrator, possibly Corel Draw a lot (maybe Adobe Flash later on, if we ever go as far as animation in the classes).
Now, the motherboard - Im not sure how that translates, but I have a hunch that it might be "Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 2,66 GHz".
Thanks!
guidogodoy wrote:
Hey, Strat. Good to see you.
Not heavy into games, you can get away with all you describe. You didn't name the motherboard and, as a general rule, more RAM is always better. 4 GB looks good. Can you expand if you needed more? THAT is where I would be looking. You are really fine if you just want to run daily apps, though. No worries there.
HD is always the least of worries. External USB or Firewire drives more than make up for smaller harddrives. If not into gaming, you COULD get away with a lesser video card. While I have a couple of ATI cards upstairs and in my office computer (and one at my feet!), I still prefer GeForce cards. Then again, I am a PC gamer. Again, more memory on the card is always a + but not necessary if you are just running basic apps.
Good build, says I. Nice to see you again.
_strat_ wrote:
Hi everyone! Ive been away, I know, so ill just say hi to everyone first...
Now, Im not sure if this is the right thread, but it seems to be roughly it, so heres my question to anyone that is up to date with computerish things:
Im buying a new computer. Ive been looking around a bit, and Ive got a few questions. First: the RAM. The best Ive found so far (in a pre-assembled computer) is 4GB. Is that a lot, or would 3 or 2 be enough for a computer that will probably be used for work first, and not too demanding games second?
Second, the graphics card. The package that Ive been looking at comes with an ATI HD4870 512MB GDDR5 - now, is that ok, not enough, or just right for what I described above? (If its too much then Im definately looking for something cheaper - half the price seems to be the graphics card)
The hard drive is 750GB, which to me (Ive had this same computer for many, MANY years now) seems like Sci-Fi. Personaly Id be content with half as much, tho Im not sure how that goes today.
I guess I will look around a bit more, but then again, yeah, the price is great, leaves me enough to go wild with the monitor, and get a decent printer as well... So thanks again!
That is actually the "chip." The motherboard is where you plug in the chip / RAM, etc.
In any case, you are looking good there, bro. That Intel chip leads me to believe that you are maxed out at 4GB on the motherboard. If the price is right, you'll be happy. Go for it.
Hope this helps.
_strat_ wrote:
As far as RAM is concerned, it doesnt say about the upgrades on the website, I will have to go down to the store to look it up.
Anyway, with games I have a habbit of just picking one and playing it for weeks or even months on end, and it doesnt have to be very new either, so I guess that really isnt a problem then. The apps - I plan on running Photoshop, Illustrator, possibly Corel Draw a lot (maybe Adobe Flash later on, if we ever go as far as animation in the classes).
Now, the motherboard - Im not sure how that translates, but I have a hunch that it might be "Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 2,66 GHz".
Thanks!
guidogodoy wrote:
Hey, Strat. Good to see you.
Not heavy into games, you can get away with all you describe. You didn't name the motherboard and, as a general rule, more RAM is always better. 4 GB looks good. Can you expand if you needed more? THAT is where I would be looking. You are really fine if you just want to run daily apps, though. No worries there.
HD is always the least of worries. External USB or Firewire drives more than make up for smaller harddrives. If not into gaming, you COULD get away with a lesser video card. While I have a couple of ATI cards upstairs and in my office computer (and one at my feet!), I still prefer GeForce cards. Then again, I am a PC gamer. Again, more memory on the card is always a + but not necessary if you are just running basic apps.
Good build, says I. Nice to see you again.
_strat_ wrote:
Hi everyone! Ive been away, I know, so ill just say hi to everyone first...
Now, Im not sure if this is the right thread, but it seems to be roughly it, so heres my question to anyone that is up to date with computerish things:
Im buying a new computer. Ive been looking around a bit, and Ive got a few questions. First: the RAM. The best Ive found so far (in a pre-assembled computer) is 4GB. Is that a lot, or would 3 or 2 be enough for a computer that will probably be used for work first, and not too demanding games second?
Second, the graphics card. The package that Ive been looking at comes with an ATI HD4870 512MB GDDR5 - now, is that ok, not enough, or just right for what I described above? (If its too much then Im definately looking for something cheaper - half the price seems to be the graphics card)
The hard drive is 750GB, which to me (Ive had this same computer for many, MANY years now) seems like Sci-Fi. Personaly Id be content with half as much, tho Im not sure how that goes today.
As far as RAM is concerned, it doesnt say about the upgrades on the website, I will have to go down to the store to look it up.
Anyway, with games I have a habbit of just picking one and playing it for weeks or even months on end, and it doesnt have to be very new either, so I guess that really isnt a problem then. The apps - I plan on running Photoshop, Illustrator, possibly Corel Draw a lot (maybe Adobe Flash later on, if we ever go as far as animation in the classes).
Now, the motherboard - Im not sure how that translates, but I have a hunch that it might be "Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 2,66 GHz".
Not heavy into games, you can get away with all you describe. You didn't name the motherboard and, as a general rule, more RAM is always better. 4 GB looks good. Can you expand if you needed more? THAT is where I would be looking. You are really fine if you just want to run daily apps, though. No worries there.
HD is always the least of worries. External USB or Firewire drives more than make up for smaller harddrives. If not into gaming, you COULD get away with a lesser video card. While I have a couple of ATI cards upstairs and in my office computer (and one at my feet!), I still prefer GeForce cards. Then again, I am a PC gamer. Again, more memory on the card is always a + but not necessary if you are just running basic apps.
Good build, says I. Nice to see you again.
_strat_ wrote:
Hi everyone! Ive been away, I know, so ill just say hi to everyone first...
Now, Im not sure if this is the right thread, but it seems to be roughly it, so heres my question to anyone that is up to date with computerish things:
Im buying a new computer. Ive been looking around a bit, and Ive got a few questions. First: the RAM. The best Ive found so far (in a pre-assembled computer) is 4GB. Is that a lot, or would 3 or 2 be enough for a computer that will probably be used for work first, and not too demanding games second?
Second, the graphics card. The package that Ive been looking at comes with an ATI HD4870 512MB GDDR5 - now, is that ok, not enough, or just right for what I described above? (If its too much then Im definately looking for something cheaper - half the price seems to be the graphics card)
The hard drive is 750GB, which to me (Ive had this same computer for many, MANY years now) seems like Sci-Fi. Personaly Id be content with half as much, tho Im not sure how that goes today.
Hi everyone! Ive been away, I know, so ill just say hi to everyone first...
Now, Im not sure if this is the right thread, but it seems to be roughly it, so heres my question to anyone that is up to date with computerish things:
Im buying a new computer. Ive been looking around a bit, and Ive got a few questions. First: the RAM. The best Ive found so far (in a pre-assembled computer) is 4GB. Is that a lot, or would 3 or 2 be enough for a computer that will probably be used for work first, and not too demanding games second?
Second, the graphics card. The package that Ive been looking at comes with an ATI HD4870 512MB GDDR5 - now, is that ok, not enough, or just right for what I described above? (If its too much then Im definately looking for something cheaper - half the price seems to be the graphics card)
The hard drive is 750GB, which to me (Ive had this same computer for many, MANY years now) seems like Sci-Fi. Personaly Id be content with half as much, tho Im not sure how that goes today.
Anyway, I have to go now - late here. See you all tommorow! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, December 27, 2009 4:37:29 PM)
spapad wrote:
We make new words each day, would not have a clue how many there are.
_strat_ wrote:
Just how many words does English have? Honestly, Ive never heard "contrived" before, and its now on my list of words that I looked up.
spapad wrote:
Exactly, ...........contrived.
_strat_ wrote:
Wlel... Its not taht bad. You can atculay udnetrsnad mtos of waht hes syanig, as long as the frist and the lsat letetr are in the rghit palce.
spapad wrote:
Brandon, while the human brain can interpret what you type because you have the right letters in all the wrong places, May I be so bold as to suggest Mavis Beacon typing so you actually make sense! Nine bucks, and you can be on the road to typing in a way people don't have to strain to read what you type. Just a suggestion, for I have never seen anyone type so bad, and yes it is so bad it looks contrived. If you don't know what that means, look it up.
Brandon Taylor wrote:
it also seams to hapen morre wehn you hav seviral windows open a hthe saame time
Wlel... Its not taht bad. You can atculay udnetrsnad mtos of waht hes syanig, as long as the frist and the lsat letetr are in the rghit palce.
spapad wrote:
Brandon, while the human brain can interpret what you type because you have the right letters in all the wrong places, May I be so bold as to suggest Mavis Beacon typing so you actually make sense! Nine bucks, and you can be on the road to typing in a way people don't have to strain to read what you type. Just a suggestion, for I have never seen anyone type so bad, and yes it is so bad it looks contrived. If you don't know what that means, look it up.
Brandon Taylor wrote:
it also seams to hapen morre wehn you hav seviral windows open a hthe saame time
Wlel... Its not taht bad. You can atculay udnetrsnad mtos of waht hes syanig, as long as the frist and the lsat letetr are in the rghit palce. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, December 27, 2009 4:28:49 PM)
spapad wrote:
Brandon, while the human brain can interpret what you type because you have the right letters in all the wrong places, May I be so bold as to suggest Mavis Beacon typing so you actually make sense! Nine bucks, and you can be on the road to typing in a way people don't have to strain to read what you type. Just a suggestion, for I have never seen anyone type so bad, and yes it is so bad it looks contrived. If you don't know what that means, look it up.
Brandon Taylor wrote:
it also seams to hapen morre wehn you hav seviral windows open a hthe saame time
Well, it probably will be for a little while - Im only off until 4th of January... Then its the... the... I think you call them "midterm exams".
But until then, its good to be back. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, December 27, 2009 4:23:25 PM)
spapad wrote:
Strat!!! So good to see you around! Just the other day I was thinking, "where the hell is Strat?" Good to have you back if only for a little while, I've missed my Rick Rolls. Hope school is going brilliant for you!
No, it isn't the site, it is your computer. Specifically, the little java applet running to the right of the bar. As the name suggests, it is a basic "runtime error." VERY common.
My fix? Stop using IE as you should have done so years ago. Firefox has always been the choice of nerds and is also free. IE is a dinosaur, bloatware and runs slower then hell. Use Firefox. Free, faster, more secure and able to customize 1000x more than IE. Download, install, import your bookmarks and, voilá, problem solved.
(Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, August 07, 2009 7:48:47 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
This pop-up has been pissing me off for the past week. Everytime I get to JP.com and post/backread, after a few minutes, I get this message and I have to close the page and start over!!!! I don't know if it's my computer's problem or the website's...and I'm REALLY hoping this isn't the beginning of the end for my laptop.
Yeah, youre right - 20 mins ago I had three- JP, Youtube, and news. I switched of the news, and it works fine now. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Brandon Taylor from Sunday, December 27, 2009 4:15:45 PM)
Brandon Taylor wrote:
it also seams to hapen morre wehn you hav seviral windows open a hthe saame time
Nope. It's 'cause you most likely have Windows and it (especially IE) doesn't support the applet to the right, where one can play the songs. Switch to Firefox and it won't happen so much again.
Brandon Taylor wrote:
i htink somthin is wrong wiht hthe judas preist website becos this is teh only site were im havin this problem??
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I don't think so. I heard they're supposed to play on the first day against South Africa.
Alot of members with Internet Explorer have been having that runtime problem (including me). Best fix is to switch from IE to Firefox. Guids will let you know.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Im not sure that Mexico qualified... Would have to look it up.
By the way, are you (or anyone) having problems with the website? It keeps shutting down and saying something about "run time" or something like that...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I'm rootin' for Mexico and Germany (should actually look them up, though... don't know if they're in the same division). May the best team win.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, I hope so. Thanks.
This year, Im rooting for our team first, since they actualy qualified, then I guess for the Serbs, if our team gets eliminated. Cant root for the US though - you are in the same group with us.
As for the assholes - I just hope that they didnt wait for me.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good luck with college!! You're a smart man, so you'll make it above and beyond.
Things around here have been pretty calm, with the occasional butthole here and there. Maybe they'll all come out from the woodwork once the holiday season ends.
Who are you going to root for in the World Cup?
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeellllll........ Ive been busy. First year as a college student. We actualy have to work, damit.
Been fine of course. How are things around here? Is it just me, or are there no more assholes around? And I see I will have to make another football thread too... Gotta have that with the world cup next year.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
STRAT!!!!!!! Where the heck have you been?!? Me missed you!!!
I don't think so. I heard they're supposed to play on the first day against South Africa.
Alot of members with Internet Explorer have been having that runtime problem (including me). Best fix is to switch from IE to Firefox. Guids will let you know.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Im not sure that Mexico qualified... Would have to look it up.
By the way, are you (or anyone) having problems with the website? It keeps shutting down and saying something about "run time" or something like that...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I'm rootin' for Mexico and Germany (should actually look them up, though... don't know if they're in the same division). May the best team win.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, I hope so. Thanks.
This year, Im rooting for our team first, since they actualy qualified, then I guess for the Serbs, if our team gets eliminated. Cant root for the US though - you are in the same group with us.
As for the assholes - I just hope that they didnt wait for me.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good luck with college!! You're a smart man, so you'll make it above and beyond.
Things around here have been pretty calm, with the occasional butthole here and there. Maybe they'll all come out from the woodwork once the holiday season ends.
Who are you going to root for in the World Cup?
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeellllll........ Ive been busy. First year as a college student. We actualy have to work, damit.
Been fine of course. How are things around here? Is it just me, or are there no more assholes around? And I see I will have to make another football thread too... Gotta have that with the world cup next year.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
STRAT!!!!!!! Where the heck have you been?!? Me missed you!!!
Well, Im not sure that Mexico qualified... Would have to look it up.
By the way, are you (or anyone) having problems with the website? It keeps shutting down and saying something about "run time" or something like that... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:57:07 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I'm rootin' for Mexico and Germany (should actually look them up, though... don't know if they're in the same division). May the best team win.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, I hope so. Thanks.
This year, Im rooting for our team first, since they actualy qualified, then I guess for the Serbs, if our team gets eliminated. Cant root for the US though - you are in the same group with us.
As for the assholes - I just hope that they didnt wait for me.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good luck with college!! You're a smart man, so you'll make it above and beyond.
Things around here have been pretty calm, with the occasional butthole here and there. Maybe they'll all come out from the woodwork once the holiday season ends.
Who are you going to root for in the World Cup?
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeellllll........ Ive been busy. First year as a college student. We actualy have to work, damit.
Been fine of course. How are things around here? Is it just me, or are there no more assholes around? And I see I will have to make another football thread too... Gotta have that with the world cup next year.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
STRAT!!!!!!! Where the heck have you been?!? Me missed you!!!
This year, Im rooting for our team first, since they actualy qualified, then I guess for the Serbs, if our team gets eliminated. Cant root for the US though - you are in the same group with us.
As for the assholes - I just hope that they didnt wait for me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:48:27 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good luck with college!! You're a smart man, so you'll make it above and beyond.
Things around here have been pretty calm, with the occasional butthole here and there. Maybe they'll all come out from the woodwork once the holiday season ends.
Who are you going to root for in the World Cup?
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeellllll........ Ive been busy. First year as a college student. We actualy have to work, damit.
Been fine of course. How are things around here? Is it just me, or are there no more assholes around? And I see I will have to make another football thread too... Gotta have that with the world cup next year.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
STRAT!!!!!!! Where the heck have you been?!? Me missed you!!!
Lol... Thats just me being nice. Next time you wont know it before you get rickrolled! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:41:42 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
FOUL!!!! You can't "rickroll" someone with a vid of Rick!
My last comment on this one. Gotta dress up my gay dogs and take them out for a drag before it gets too cold and dark! LOL!!!
Good to see you, compadre.
Weeeellllll........ Ive been busy. First year as a college student. We actualy have to work, damit.
Been fine of course. How are things around here? Is it just me, or are there no more assholes around? And I see I will have to make another football thread too... Gotta have that with the world cup next year. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, December 27, 2009 3:39:43 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
STRAT!!!!!!! Where the heck have you been?!? Me missed you!!!
I dont know about Darths sect, but he certainly isnt my pope. He wanted to be my pope, but I wouldnt let him. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, October 01, 2009 9:23:08 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hey, DF!! Aren't you already pope in the religion thread? You know, when Strat and Darth Painkiller made their religions?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, strat! You must keep in mind that I just became pope recently! I am rather "rusty" with my latin!!! HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!
I speak it well enough to get the point across. And by the way Geeeeeeeedo, I said bardus , not barbas!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, seriously, do you speak latin, or are you just making these up? I have an association for testimonium, but thats as far as my knowledge goes.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Quod magis testimonium!! BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, seriously, do you speak latin, or are you just making these up? I have an association for testimonium, but thats as far as my knowledge goes. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:35:29 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Quod magis testimonium!! BWAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lets make a compromise and say youre short-sighted. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:24:33 PM)
Head banger wrote:
If I have recovered my sight, but folow unquestioningly am I still a blind folower?
joedraper wrote:
Never give up on your papal dreams Freeze! Never!
So many of us faithful follow you blindly anways lol.
Deep Freeze wrote:
DAMN!! And I was SO close to finally making Pope............
[_strat_] Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:51:59 PM
Lol, yeah, thats why I keep to the guitar...
Anyway, I have to go... First day of college tomorrow morning, and I cant afford to be late on that... Good night to the both of you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:48:18 PM)
Becks wrote:
Cheers Strat! And yes, it can be hard work. Especially when one has a sore wrist for whatever reason LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, before I say anything, you must understand that I know about as much about playing drums, as I do about flying a space shuttle....
Anyway, it sounded great, and very tight... Other than that, it sure looks like hard work!
[_strat_] Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:48:05 PM
Well, I havent gone into that much detail... Besides, English can be very hard to spell sometimes. IDK, is English his/her native language? Anyway, this beats Norman, I think youll agree at least on that much... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:44:26 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Becks!!!! Wonderful job!! You are coming along nicely! Well done, my dear!!!
Strat, spelling is fine but even the most remedial among us knows the difference between "their" and "there"...You give him WAY too much credit! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[_strat_] Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:45:42 PM
Well, before I say anything, you must understand that I know about as much about playing drums, as I do about flying a space shuttle....
Anyway, it sounded great, and very tight... Other than that, it sure looks like hard work! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:38:27 PM)
[_strat_] Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:37:34 PM
Well, that might be a problem... Im a bit too attached to my PIN... And to my account...
Anyway, Ive been reading the latest assholes posts... Obviously we have a new breed. This one can actualy spell. I blame it on the reccesion. To many assholes on the job market forces them to compete, and improve.
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just send me your PIN, strat!! And Becks...get ready......
DON'T TRUST WHITEY !!! And..umm... GOD LOVES A WORKIN MAN!!!
STRAT!!!!!!!!!! Fear not, for I am here with all of my "majestic" and "enlightened" thoughts...ready to make YOUR life better through my obviously SUPERIOR wisdom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aww!!! Missed Freeze... Well, good night then.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Load 'em up, man!! There is clearly NO shortage!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Well, I have to go to my GARAGE and get with my "band" that is not CLOSED to Priest and WHINE to THERE music.......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[_strat_] Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:22:36 PM
Aww!!! Missed Freeze... Well, good night then. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, September 30, 2009 4:19:02 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Load 'em up, man!! There is clearly NO shortage!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Well, I have to go to my GARAGE and get with my "band" that is not CLOSED to Priest and WHINE to THERE music.......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup. A real one-eyed monster. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, September 26, 2009 3:48:01 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, he's been a cyclops for a very long time. Here's proof of his "one-eyedness".
_strat_ wrote:
I can understand green, but since when is Guido a cyclops?
spapad wrote:
Listen up real good and loud like Grandama's ear horn! I got a really BIG sling shot and a big rock with your name on it!
I figgured to take you out with it last night out yonder on your patch of road, but I just couldn't fire on a folk who wears pretty pink bunny slippers ta take the trash out in!
So, I'm Gunnin' fer ya Hatfield! I'm gonna launch my book at 'cha when I'm through educatin' myself! I've got a 6th grade education, I'm gonna be a Brain Surgeon!! Best get ready for an Ass Load of buckshot!
I'z commin' for to take out your window next, with Ernest T as My Wingman! Huhahahahahahhahahaha! Ain't heard the last of me! LOL
guidogodoy wrote:
Y'alls a McCoy? Why I's a HATFIELD on my great granpappy's side!
Take yer book suggestion and give 'er a shove where the sun don't shine! Never met a McCoy what could read nohow.
spapad wrote:
Oh, that one! Manifest WHAT?! LOL Great way to declare land free for robbing. My Great, Great, Great, somewhere around there was Joseph the Huggonaut Hare, Goggle it, you'll find him. We was a refugee from France percecuted by religion; his family left. He wound out here in This area of the middle of nowhere with a second wife and he was known as an Indian Marauder. Fate paid the family back a couple marriages down the line with his decendants and Gave a beautiful Cherokee birde to My Great Great Grandfather McCoy (yes related to Those McCoys) and her quarter blood daughter married my Grandfather! So in a way the indians won, in a very small way over my Great's' wrong doing. Didn't say it was by much, but I little retribution was paid. My Great Grand was very beutiful too and had the most beautiful head of hair her whole life! Glad to resemble her.
Can pick up arrow heads on my land just by tilling the soil.
Just passin through on the way to bed! The Book is good! I highly recommend Dan Brown's new one! Night Blaher's!
guidogodoy wrote:
One of the most controvertial ones....shows how we could kick out/ kill native americans! They rarely played this one....."manifest destiny." (Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:38:51 PM)
Becks wrote:
See ya Spa, enjoy your book!
LOL Guido, that ones funny, look at the King! LOL! I learnt lots from that too - well I had a general idea about settlement of America, but songs help me learn LOL!
guidogodoy wrote:
Wanna know how all those around Spa and I were indoctrinated back in the day? This is how we got our country!
Becks wrote:
Those videos are cool! Now I know what the 19th ammendment is about and what year women got the vote in the USA! LOL!
spapad wrote:
Great stuff every kid should watch!
guidogodoy wrote:
Edited at: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:53:33 PM
I can understand green, but since when is Guido a cyclops?
spapad wrote:
Listen up real good and loud like Grandama's ear horn! I got a really BIG sling shot and a big rock with your name on it!
I figgured to take you out with it last night out yonder on your patch of road, but I just couldn't fire on a folk who wears pretty pink bunny slippers ta take the trash out in!
So, I'm Gunnin' fer ya Hatfield! I'm gonna launch my book at 'cha when I'm through educatin' myself! I've got a 6th grade education, I'm gonna be a Brain Surgeon!! Best get ready for an Ass Load of buckshot!
I'z commin' for to take out your window next, with Ernest T as My Wingman! Huhahahahahahhahahaha! Ain't heard the last of me! LOL
guidogodoy wrote:
Y'alls a McCoy? Why I's a HATFIELD on my great granpappy's side!
Take yer book suggestion and give 'er a shove where the sun don't shine! Never met a McCoy what could read nohow.
spapad wrote:
Oh, that one! Manifest WHAT?! LOL Great way to declare land free for robbing. My Great, Great, Great, somewhere around there was Joseph the Huggonaut Hare, Goggle it, you'll find him. We was a refugee from France percecuted by religion; his family left. He wound out here in This area of the middle of nowhere with a second wife and he was known as an Indian Marauder. Fate paid the family back a couple marriages down the line with his decendants and Gave a beautiful Cherokee birde to My Great Great Grandfather McCoy (yes related to Those McCoys) and her quarter blood daughter married my Grandfather! So in a way the indians won, in a very small way over my Great's' wrong doing. Didn't say it was by much, but I little retribution was paid. My Great Grand was very beutiful too and had the most beautiful head of hair her whole life! Glad to resemble her.
Can pick up arrow heads on my land just by tilling the soil.
Just passin through on the way to bed! The Book is good! I highly recommend Dan Brown's new one! Night Blaher's!
guidogodoy wrote:
One of the most controvertial ones....shows how we could kick out/ kill native americans! They rarely played this one....."manifest destiny." (Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:38:51 PM)
Becks wrote:
See ya Spa, enjoy your book!
LOL Guido, that ones funny, look at the King! LOL! I learnt lots from that too - well I had a general idea about settlement of America, but songs help me learn LOL!
guidogodoy wrote:
Wanna know how all those around Spa and I were indoctrinated back in the day? This is how we got our country!
Becks wrote:
Those videos are cool! Now I know what the 19th ammendment is about and what year women got the vote in the USA! LOL!
spapad wrote:
Great stuff every kid should watch!
guidogodoy wrote:
Edited at: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:53:33 PM
I can understand green, but since when is Guido a cyclops? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, September 25, 2009 9:43:27 PM)
spapad wrote:
Listen up real good and loud like Grandama's ear horn! I got a really BIG sling shot and a big rock with your name on it!
I figgured to take you out with it last night out yonder on your patch of road, but I just couldn't fire on a folk who wears pretty pink bunny slippers ta take the trash out in!
So, I'm Gunnin' fer ya Hatfield! I'm gonna launch my book at 'cha when I'm through educatin' myself! I've got a 6th grade education, I'm gonna be a Brain Surgeon!! Best get ready for an Ass Load of buckshot!
I'z commin' for to take out your window next, with Ernest T as My Wingman! Huhahahahahahhahahaha! Ain't heard the last of me! LOL
guidogodoy wrote:
Y'alls a McCoy? Why I's a HATFIELD on my great granpappy's side!
Take yer book suggestion and give 'er a shove where the sun don't shine! Never met a McCoy what could read nohow.
spapad wrote:
Oh, that one! Manifest WHAT?! LOL Great way to declare land free for robbing. My Great, Great, Great, somewhere around there was Joseph the Huggonaut Hare, Goggle it, you'll find him. We was a refugee from France percecuted by religion; his family left. He wound out here in This area of the middle of nowhere with a second wife and he was known as an Indian Marauder. Fate paid the family back a couple marriages down the line with his decendants and Gave a beautiful Cherokee birde to My Great Great Grandfather McCoy (yes related to Those McCoys) and her quarter blood daughter married my Grandfather! So in a way the indians won, in a very small way over my Great's' wrong doing. Didn't say it was by much, but I little retribution was paid. My Great Grand was very beutiful too and had the most beautiful head of hair her whole life! Glad to resemble her.
Can pick up arrow heads on my land just by tilling the soil.
Just passin through on the way to bed! The Book is good! I highly recommend Dan Brown's new one! Night Blaher's!
guidogodoy wrote:
One of the most controvertial ones....shows how we could kick out/ kill native americans! They rarely played this one....."manifest destiny." (Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:38:51 PM)
Becks wrote:
See ya Spa, enjoy your book!
LOL Guido, that ones funny, look at the King! LOL! I learnt lots from that too - well I had a general idea about settlement of America, but songs help me learn LOL!
guidogodoy wrote:
Wanna know how all those around Spa and I were indoctrinated back in the day? This is how we got our country!
Becks wrote:
Those videos are cool! Now I know what the 19th ammendment is about and what year women got the vote in the USA! LOL!
spapad wrote:
Great stuff every kid should watch!
guidogodoy wrote:
Edited at: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:53:33 PM
[_strat_] Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:21:04 AM
Yup. It is in the past tense, so HB was wrong... DF will be very disappointed. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, September 19, 2009 11:16:23 AM)
Strat may be gone, but I have a feeling that he is planning something destructive against this mighty kingdom. As Sir Guitardude just mentioned, we are always on patrol (albeit very silently) to make sure the infidels do not infiltrate our homeland.
kmac wrote:
The silence here is either a good thing or a bad thing .....I cannot decide :P
Strat may be gone, but I have a feeling that he is planning something destructive against this mighty kingdom. As Sir Guitardude just mentioned, we are always on patrol (albeit very silently) to make sure the infidels do not infiltrate our homeland.
kmac wrote:
The silence here is either a good thing or a bad thing .....I cannot decide :P
Strat may be gone, but I have a feeling that he is planning something destructive against this mighty kingdom. As Sir Guitardude just mentioned, we are always on patrol (albeit very silently) to make sure the infidels do not infiltrate our homeland.
kmac wrote:
The silence here is either a good thing or a bad thing .....I cannot decide :P
Strat may be gone, but I have a feeling that he is planning something destructive against this mighty kingdom. As Sir Guitardude just mentioned, we are always on patrol (albeit very silently) to make sure the infidels do not infiltrate our homeland.
kmac wrote:
The silence here is either a good thing or a bad thing .....I cannot decide :P
Well, when he stops, dont throw them away... He will want them back when hes out of high school.
Well, everyone, sorry to drop by for such a short time... But its almost Monday here, and I have to go. Good night! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:54:29 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
My son is playing with Lego and so on. He's 11!! 11!! 11!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, really? I will have you know, I still play with LEGO bricks... And Im not kidding! The best thing ever to come out of Denmark.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hi strat, my old friend. Yep, I'm 45 but I feel me younger than you are!!
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, by the time I hit 30, you will be well over 50... If Im not much mistaken.
Its a looong wait too.
spapad wrote:
Cant wait for you to hit the big 30 so I can laugh my ass off at your ideas! LOL Bwahahahahhahhahahahhahahahaha!
_strat_ wrote:
No one? Ok, Im calling him old.
Hi, everyone!
spapad wrote:
Nobody called you old, unless you want to take my child's word for it! Anyone over 20 is ancient! Imagine how I feel!? LOL
Phantom A6 wrote:
I'm not an old fart!! I'm in MySpace!! And sometimes in Facebook too!!
Lol... Like I said before, I cant wait until I get old. Not 30... 60 +. I have it all worked out. Harrasing young people, not washing and then taking the bus at rush hour... I cant wait for old age!
Oh, really? I will have you know, I still play with LEGO bricks... And Im not kidding! The best thing ever to come out of Denmark. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Sunday, September 13, 2009 4:50:18 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hi strat, my old friend. Yep, I'm 45 but I feel me younger than you are!!
Bwahahahahahahaha!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, by the time I hit 30, you will be well over 50... If Im not much mistaken.
Its a looong wait too.
spapad wrote:
Cant wait for you to hit the big 30 so I can laugh my ass off at your ideas! LOL Bwahahahahhahhahahahhahahahaha!
_strat_ wrote:
No one? Ok, Im calling him old.
Hi, everyone!
spapad wrote:
Nobody called you old, unless you want to take my child's word for it! Anyone over 20 is ancient! Imagine how I feel!? LOL
Phantom A6 wrote:
I'm not an old fart!! I'm in MySpace!! And sometimes in Facebook too!!
Well, I can think of another pain, but the female half of the board wouldnt understand it... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:41:32 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Of COURSE it is both nipples, man! Sheesh. That is a given!
_strat_ wrote:
Nipple-burn on both nipples.
guidogodoy wrote:
I ask...is there any worse pain than nipple-burn? Come on runners, you know what I mean.
[_strat_] Saturday, September 05, 2009 12:04:43 PM
Well, so does Germany. Thats a nation with about a hundred million people, and a lot of metal fans. Probably more than any other in Europe. Similar thing with the UK. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:49:34 AM)
Head banger wrote:
could be money??? despite the recession the USA has a very high average disposable income. logisticly easy to tour, near people with money??\
_strat_ wrote:
IDK about that... Theres about twice as many people living in Europe than in whole of north America. They could double the number of European shows, and still play in full venues. What is true, I guess, is that all the borders and stuff makes it more time consuming and expensive to travel, thats why it makes it difficult when they skip enitre countries on tours.
IDK, I usualy envy you guys in the states... It seems like whenever someone goes on tour there, they play everywhere where there are at least ten fans.
ron h wrote:
I think it's because of the size of the States. Overseas you've got smaller countries grouped together, like our New England states, therefore there's no need to play a 30 show tour in say Europe...a couple of shows will do it and the fans flock because there's so few. Using where I live as an example, I could have caught Priest at any one of 6 of their shows all within 500 miles **Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Indianaplois, Detroit or Cleveland**
That being said, we don't have a Download Festival type event. At one time we had the US Festival, which if continued it could have rivaled a Download, but that never happened. Just an opinion off the top of my head...but it's certainly not for a lack of enthusiasm!!!
(Quoting Message by ProwlerCub from Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:56:33 AM)
ProwlerCub wrote:
I was watching That Metal Show the other day and they had a special from the Download Festival. It seemed to me that there seems to be a greater outlet for metal bands overseas than there is in the US. I am not talking about the intensity of the fans but a greater chance for exposure of bands overseas. Why is it that some bands can play larger venues overseas but come to the US and have to play clubs (if they even tour the US at all)? Thoughts? Comments?
Edited at: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:00:48 AM
[_strat_] Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:48:11 AM
Lol, no... There are plenty of highways, and visas arent a problem either. Whole border control thing has become very relaxed since the Cold war ended, and in the case of European union, there isnt any of it altogether.
The problem is just that they do so few shows, that if there isnt one in your town, the next town may be hours of driving away. Thats from the fans perspective, anyway. Traveling for the band is a lot easier, I imagine, with all those cheap airlines. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:02:13 AM)
spapad wrote:
Strat has some valid points Ron. Travel in europe is not the easiest thing to do, there are visas involved, and the roads are terrible in alot of places as they still follow the contour of the land and that means while you drive up a mountain forever your not really making much headway, or you drive along a coastline hugging every turn in and out lots of mileage with very little progress. I would be like befor the interstates where built in the US, long winding roads that take you forever to get somewhere, and then imagine having to show visa's at each state line. Big pain in the ass. For instance, why does Euro Disney do so poorly, because travel is such a pain to get there, Why not just hop a plane to Florida and you only need one visa to do it!
So, it's not easy to move about europe in vast milage.
The reason the bands play so many venues here is the area of the US is so vast, and in general most americans are too lazy to put forth too much mileage to go see a show. They may do it for a vacation but many of them simply wouldn't bother for a show.
Ron you may have had that many accessbile shows, but the closest show to me, would have been a five and a half hour trip, that was the CLOSEST, which I didn't go to, but I went to the third closest to me which was a 7 and half hour trip, close to 400 miles, if not more. The second closest would have been Pittsburgh at six and a half hours. So not everyone had shows that close to them.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:36:06 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... If Im not much mistaken, the nearest they came to me on this tour is Vienna... WHich is about 3 or 4 hours drive away... On an empty road, with no stops, with favourable wind. That is if they dont reschedule the shows in Zagreb and Belgrade, which they still havent, and I dont know what they are waiting for.
IDK, they certainly have a packed schedule on the American tour, maybe thats why they find it hard to do more shows elsewhere. IDK, we would have to ask them. Or wheover organises those shows for them.
ron h wrote:
Hey Strat...To better illustrate my thinking which has been known to be flawed lol here's what I mean...
My home to...
...downtown Chicago 18 miles
...Milwaukee 103 miles
...Indianapolis 143 miles
...Detroit 236 miles
...Cleveland 281 miles
...St. Louis 423 miles
If I'm not mistaken, Priest played all of the cities...if they wer're to only play 1 maybe 2 of these cities, there wouldn't have been an empty seat in the house and could have probably played (a) bigger venue(s). Priest are loyal to their core group of fans and they'll play anywhere here (and we thank them for it) but I think they pay a price for it as well.
_strat_ wrote:
IDK about that... Theres about twice as many people living in Europe than in whole of north America. They could double the number of European shows, and still play in full venues. What is true, I guess, is that all the borders and stuff makes it more time consuming and expensive to travel, thats why it makes it difficult when they skip enitre countries on tours.
IDK, I usualy envy you guys in the states... It seems like whenever someone goes on tour there, they play everywhere where there are at least ten fans.
ron h wrote:
I think it's because of the size of the States. Overseas you've got smaller countries grouped together, like our New England states, therefore there's no need to play a 30 show tour in say Europe...a couple of shows will do it and the fans flock because there's so few. Using where I live as an example, I could have caught Priest at any one of 6 of their shows all within 500 miles **Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Indianaplois, Detroit or Cleveland**
That being said, we don't have a Download Festival type event. At one time we had the US Festival, which if continued it could have rivaled a Download, but that never happened. Just an opinion off the top of my head...but it's certainly not for a lack of enthusiasm!!!
(Quoting Message by ProwlerCub from Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:56:33 AM)
ProwlerCub wrote:
I was watching That Metal Show the other day and they had a special from the Download Festival. It seemed to me that there seems to be a greater outlet for metal bands overseas than there is in the US. I am not talking about the intensity of the fans but a greater chance for exposure of bands overseas. Why is it that some bands can play larger venues overseas but come to the US and have to play clubs (if they even tour the US at all)? Thoughts? Comments?
Edited at: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:00:48 AM
Edited at: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:03:19 AM Edited at: Saturday, September 05, 2009 11:16:14 AM
[_strat_] Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:36:06 AM
Hmm... If Im not much mistaken, the nearest they came to me on this tour is Vienna... WHich is about 3 or 4 hours drive away... On an empty road, with no stops, with favourable wind. That is if they dont reschedule the shows in Zagreb and Belgrade, which they still havent, and I dont know what they are waiting for.
IDK, they certainly have a packed schedule on the American tour, maybe thats why they find it hard to do more shows elsewhere. IDK, we would have to ask them. Or wheover organises those shows for them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:14:25 AM)
ron h wrote:
Hey Strat...To better illustrate my thinking which has been known to be flawed lol here's what I mean...
My home to...
...downtown Chicago 18 miles
...Milwaukee 103 miles
...Indianapolis 143 miles
...Detroit 236 miles
...Cleveland 281 miles
...St. Louis 423 miles
If I'm not mistaken, Priest played all of the cities...if they wer're to only play 1 maybe 2 of these cities, there wouldn't have been an empty seat in the house and could have probably played (a) bigger venue(s). Priest are loyal to their core group of fans and they'll play anywhere here (and we thank them for it) but I think they pay a price for it as well.
_strat_ wrote:
IDK about that... Theres about twice as many people living in Europe than in whole of north America. They could double the number of European shows, and still play in full venues. What is true, I guess, is that all the borders and stuff makes it more time consuming and expensive to travel, thats why it makes it difficult when they skip enitre countries on tours.
IDK, I usualy envy you guys in the states... It seems like whenever someone goes on tour there, they play everywhere where there are at least ten fans.
ron h wrote:
I think it's because of the size of the States. Overseas you've got smaller countries grouped together, like our New England states, therefore there's no need to play a 30 show tour in say Europe...a couple of shows will do it and the fans flock because there's so few. Using where I live as an example, I could have caught Priest at any one of 6 of their shows all within 500 miles **Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Indianaplois, Detroit or Cleveland**
That being said, we don't have a Download Festival type event. At one time we had the US Festival, which if continued it could have rivaled a Download, but that never happened. Just an opinion off the top of my head...but it's certainly not for a lack of enthusiasm!!!
(Quoting Message by ProwlerCub from Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:56:33 AM)
ProwlerCub wrote:
I was watching That Metal Show the other day and they had a special from the Download Festival. It seemed to me that there seems to be a greater outlet for metal bands overseas than there is in the US. I am not talking about the intensity of the fans but a greater chance for exposure of bands overseas. Why is it that some bands can play larger venues overseas but come to the US and have to play clubs (if they even tour the US at all)? Thoughts? Comments?
Edited at: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:00:48 AM
IDK about that... Theres about twice as many people living in Europe than in whole of north America. They could double the number of European shows, and still play in full venues. What is true, I guess, is that all the borders and stuff makes it more time consuming and expensive to travel, thats why it makes it difficult when they skip enitre countries on tours.
IDK, I usualy envy you guys in the states... It seems like whenever someone goes on tour there, they play everywhere where there are at least ten fans.
I think it's because of the size of the States. Overseas you've got smaller countries grouped together, like our New England states, therefore there's no need to play a 30 show tour in say Europe...a couple of shows will do it and the fans flock because there's so few. Using where I live as an example, I could have caught Priest at any one of 6 of their shows all within 500 miles **Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Louis, Indianaplois, Detroit or Cleveland**
That being said, we don't have a Download Festival type event. At one time we had the US Festival, which if continued it could have rivaled a Download, but that never happened. Just an opinion off the top of my head...but it's certainly not for a lack of enthusiasm!!!
(Quoting Message by ProwlerCub from Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:56:33 AM)
ProwlerCub wrote:
I was watching That Metal Show the other day and they had a special from the Download Festival. It seemed to me that there seems to be a greater outlet for metal bands overseas than there is in the US. I am not talking about the intensity of the fans but a greater chance for exposure of bands overseas. Why is it that some bands can play larger venues overseas but come to the US and have to play clubs (if they even tour the US at all)? Thoughts? Comments?
Edited at: Saturday, September 05, 2009 8:00:48 AM
Lol... Ive heard something like that once. Not a parallel universe, but this universe. Supposing that its infinite, that means that there is an infinite number of planets with life on them. No matter how rare they are, the number is still infinite. And it means that there is an infinite number of combinations of life, and an infinite number of planets like our, with an infinite number of worlds that are just like our, and an infinite number of worlds that are just like ours, save for a few details. No matter how rare, they are still infinite.
So, according to that logic, there are worlds without emos, worlds without Miley Cyrus, and worlds where George Bush wasnt taken from his chimp parents and adopted by humans.
Better start buliding a spaceship right away. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, August 21, 2009 5:39:33 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah thats some pretty heavy shit there Craig. But very interesting.... thats a cool post.
Hey,maybe in a parallel universe..."Metallica" never "sold out" or Cliff Burton never died!! lol!
But seriously....that is a very interesting subject and it is "scary" as you said...but mind blowing....
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Yeah, I've heard about dark matter. It's crazy, but it makes sense.
Have you ever heard of parallel universes? Don't ask me to explain what it's all about, because it's too bizarre.
Hello I.M.P., I don't believe we've met, though I do enjoy reading your posts!!
HB, very interesting question!!
I think a lot along the same lines I.M.P. does, however if God exists, that doesn't neccesarily mean science could prove his existence. There are many many other physical things out there that science is aware of and still can't explain...google dark matter!!!
And even though science can't prove he exists, can they prove he doesn't?? NO!! Granted, religion is based on blind faith and not fact...but do we really have to have all the answers?? I don't want to know half the stuff I already do know lol
(Quoting Message by I.M.P. from Friday, August 21, 2009 1:53:57 AM)
I.M.P. wrote:
In the quest for knowledge and fact, toes are bound to be stepped on. Especially the toes of those who hold onto beliefs not based in fact...
Science and religion are in conflict so long as religion stands in the way of science. The fact that there are religious scientists points to the fact that they are not necessarily in conflict.
If there were a scientific way to prove God existed, I'm sure scientists would discover it, publish the findings for all to see, and celebrate. The main goal in science is to establish fact.
Well Strat, neither the Spaghetti Monster nor the Giant Chicken has a history as a supreme being or a book to help support their existance in history...call the Bible or Koran or whatever books fairy tales if you'd like, but there's at least documented facts in those books as well...no insult taken as you stated nothing I would find insulting...You should always beware of ppl who insist anything upon you!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, proving that he doesnt exist is, imo... Pointless. Religion comes forward with the claim that there is a god - religion has to prove that there is. So long as it doesnt, we can consider god as non-existent. If we are going to play the "prove that isnt so game", then we can all think of tons of outrageous stuff that cant be proven, but cant even be properly disproven. I think that it was Dawkins who came up with the idea of the "flying spaghetti monster". Lets say that I claim that god is a flying spaghetti monster - prove that he isnt. I can claim that a giant chicken laid an egg, and that became the Earth. Prove that isnt so. If I really believe it, you wont be able to convince me that it isnt so, neither will I be ever capable of proving that it is so.
So, "prove that isnt so" logic clearly wont get us anywhere. Sorry, didnt mean to insult anyones religious feelings, the giant chicken and the spaghetti monster are there just to sort of illustrate the point.
And, so long as there are people who are not content with just being religious, but insist that we should all share their religious values, and want to make those same values into laws and constitutions, then I think that we really should know wheter they are right or wrong in their faith.
ron h wrote:
Hello I.M.P., I don't believe we've met, though I do enjoy reading your posts!!
HB, very interesting question!!
I think a lot along the same lines I.M.P. does, however if God exists, that doesn't neccesarily mean science could prove his existence. There are many many other physical things out there that science is aware of and still can't explain...google dark matter!!!
And even though science can't prove he exists, can they prove he doesn't?? NO!! Granted, religion is based on blind faith and not fact...but do we really have to have all the answers?? I don't want to know half the stuff I already do know lol
(Quoting Message by I.M.P. from Friday, August 21, 2009 1:53:57 AM)
I.M.P. wrote:
In the quest for knowledge and fact, toes are bound to be stepped on. Especially the toes of those who hold onto beliefs not based in fact...
Science and religion are in conflict so long as religion stands in the way of science. The fact that there are religious scientists points to the fact that they are not necessarily in conflict.
If there were a scientific way to prove God existed, I'm sure scientists would discover it, publish the findings for all to see, and celebrate. The main goal in science is to establish fact.
Well, proving that he doesnt exist is, imo... Pointless. Religion comes forward with the claim that there is a god - religion has to prove that there is. So long as it doesnt, we can consider god as non-existent. If we are going to play the "prove that isnt so game", then we can all think of tons of outrageous stuff that cant be proven, but cant even be properly disproven. I think that it was Dawkins who came up with the idea of the "flying spaghetti monster". Lets say that I claim that god is a flying spaghetti monster - prove that he isnt. I can claim that a giant chicken laid an egg, and that became the Earth. Prove that isnt so. If I really believe it, you wont be able to convince me that it isnt so, neither will I be ever capable of proving that it is so.
So, "prove that isnt so" logic clearly wont get us anywhere. Sorry, didnt mean to insult anyones religious feelings, the giant chicken and the spaghetti monster are there just to sort of illustrate the point.
And, so long as there are people who are not content with just being religious, but insist that we should all share their religious values, and want to make those same values into laws and constitutions, then I think that we really should know wheter they are right or wrong in their faith.
Hello I.M.P., I don't believe we've met, though I do enjoy reading your posts!!
HB, very interesting question!!
I think a lot along the same lines I.M.P. does, however if God exists, that doesn't neccesarily mean science could prove his existence. There are many many other physical things out there that science is aware of and still can't explain...google dark matter!!!
And even though science can't prove he exists, can they prove he doesn't?? NO!! Granted, religion is based on blind faith and not fact...but do we really have to have all the answers?? I don't want to know half the stuff I already do know lol
(Quoting Message by I.M.P. from Friday, August 21, 2009 1:53:57 AM)
I.M.P. wrote:
In the quest for knowledge and fact, toes are bound to be stepped on. Especially the toes of those who hold onto beliefs not based in fact...
Science and religion are in conflict so long as religion stands in the way of science. The fact that there are religious scientists points to the fact that they are not necessarily in conflict.
If there were a scientific way to prove God existed, I'm sure scientists would discover it, publish the findings for all to see, and celebrate. The main goal in science is to establish fact.
Depends on the religion, I guess. Or, how much are the believers prepared to trust science. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, August 20, 2009 8:15:34 AM)
Lol... Sorry, too late... Under the Priest post already... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:26:29 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah your right -strat-....hey look at what you've made me do....you've made me
find the "real" Metallica version of Enter Sandman!!!lol!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:24:00 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Actualy, there is a Painkiller songsmith, but not a proper one. It doesnt have Halfords vocals, just some guy singing out of key, thats why I didnt post it.
Painkiller87 wrote:
LOLOLOLOL!!!! WTF?! That is bizzare! This and The Trooper (Believer) are the best of these things!
Wait i've got it! EL.........ES............... EL CALMANTE!!!! (Painkiller)
Actualy, there is a Painkiller songsmith, but not a proper one. It doesnt have Halfords vocals, just some guy singing out of key, thats why I didnt post it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Painkiller87 from Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:05:51 PM)
Painkiller87 wrote:
LOLOLOLOL!!!! WTF?! That is bizzare! This and The Trooper (Believer) are the best of these things!
Wait i've got it! EL.........ES............... EL CALMANTE!!!! (Painkiller)
Lol, yeah... Turns out Motorhead was just the tip of the iceberg. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, August 19, 2009 5:11:10 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
LOL!!! HAHAHAHAH-strat- that is funnier than shit man!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!! HAHAHA that is classic!!!
Check out the two videos that me and J.D. posted in the MAIDEN/MOTORHEAD thread... I dont know who does these things, but he deserves a grammy...
Too bad that this is the only Priest songsmith... Would love to hear Painkiller. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, August 19, 2009 4:09:04 PM)
I love the way they kept backing vocals on it... "We hurdle bodies that lay one the ground - na, na, na, na..."
I cant decide wheter its sacrilege or not, but whatever it is, its damn funny. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, August 19, 2009 3:48:09 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Iron Maiden The Trooper the way it was meant to be played.......
LOL! HAHAHA that Motorhead is funny dude!!! Goes along with the Iron Monkees!!! lol!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, August 19, 2009 8:36:06 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Lol!!! There, Motorhead the way it was meant to be!
And to answer the threads question... I actualy prefer Maiden, although Motorhead are awesome too, and Lemmy is the icon of Rock and Roll. Good voice + Style + Ugly as hell = Lemmy.
Dont get me started on RBD... Or "Rebelde", which is what that stands for... Their soap opera is pathetic even by the standards of soap operas, and their music just takes the term "rebel", rapes it and throws it away...
Looking at them, I cant help thinking that a nuclear war wouldnt be such a bad thing after all... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:00:29 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yes...they are bubblegum pop...popular in Mexico as well as in Southern California (where I lived most of my life). Their #1 song is horribly annoying!!!! They even got their own soap opera, FFS!!! I say....DEATH TO RBD!!!!!!! AND DADDY YANKEE, TOO!!!!!!
Fishu wrote:
i meant my president and her husband (of argentina, not like they are celebrities anyway =p), we call em penguins because they were born in a town where lots of peguins live...
anyway, 2 years left to vote again... =P
luckily I don´t know RBD, i just named the 2 bands I know, i think there was another one daddy yankee or something like that.
Wait, i just looked it up on wikipedia and found out that it is BUBBLEGUM POP !?!
spapad wrote:
We have a penquin here? Never noticed.
Fishu wrote:
it would be wrong to wish someone die... but i wouldn´t mind if the guys from calle 13 and la factoria died... and some fucking penguin around here
Lol!!! There, Motorhead the way it was meant to be!
And to answer the threads question... I actualy prefer Maiden, although Motorhead are awesome too, and Lemmy is the icon of Rock and Roll. Good voice + Style + Ugly as hell = Lemmy.
Personaly, I think that whoever built that accelerator is ultimately looking for a life...
Anyway, like I said, I dont think that the big bang theory claims that something came out of nothing. Now, I dont know what exactly it says, but if youre willing to study that Wikipedia article... Well, that is, if you have at least five years to spend, because it is all very complicated.
And yes, that is true, religion sort of began in the absense of science, but that doesnt make it true. And even if it did, which religion is the right one? There are hundreds of religions in the world.
And thats another thing that is wrong in all those "scientific" proofs of god. If those people in Switzerland really find the god particle, will that mean that they have proven that there is a god? In that case, which god? Jahwe, Allah, the Christian God? Maybe the gods of ancient Greeks, Romans or Slavs? Maybe a form of god/s not imagined or worshipped anywhere in the world? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:15:24 PM)
ron h wrote:
And I guess that's always been my question...something never comes from nothing, and the BBT is what most science hangs it's collective hat on...but it's a contradiction. Back in the day when religion began, there was no science as we know it today, so civilization had to make sense of the unknown the best way it could. Even in today's science...you look at the new accelerator they've built there in Europe, what are they ultimately looking for?? The God Particle!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:57:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, and it might be worth mentioning, that all this is not always against religious teachings. The story that you were told is actualy the official view of the Catholic church towards evolution, and the Big Bang theory is, according to them, the physical appearance of Creation.
Thats the Catholics, anyway. Orthodox Christians and Protestants are more fundamentalistic in this.
spapad wrote:
Oh crap, gonna open my mouth again! What created the lump that exploded Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont know that much about that theory, but from what I know, it doesnt say that it started from nothing. It says that the universe expanded from a sort of a primordial... "lump". Or something like that. Basicly, that it is all a procces of continous expanding that still goes on. If I got it right, anyway.
But, if we turn to religion... There is always the question of where did god come from?
And I think that wheter or not a certain theory is true or not is not that important, what I think matters most is the approach. The scientific theories are imo serious attempts to explain something. They give us something to build on, they can be adapted or changed to suit new evidence and new facts that come along, or transformed completely, if the facts speak completely against them. Whereas religion only says what happened, and no debate. The bible just says that god created the havens and the earth, period. God created this, did that, said that. Why? Well, thats the big question, I guess.
ron h wrote:
I understand that the concept of blind faith is a tough pill to swallow...more so in this day and age. My issue has always been the Big Bang Theory...if there was nothing...where did the B A N G come from??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... We used to have a lot of that here. If I remember right, we even had a thread dedicated to religion, that got sacked because we were to out of hand...
Anyway, Im an atheist, as are both my parents... Ive had a secular upringing, no sunday schools, I wasnt even baptised... And I guess it stuck with me, although I think religion is interesting, thats why Ive read the bible, even tho I never attended a service in my life.
As for Creationism vs. Evolution, I buy into evolution, pretty much just because it makes sense to me.
ron h wrote:
There is a group out there of Scientists who feel as you've mentioned that there's room for both...God and Science. I thought that was odd in that science is based in fact where the other...
I have an Athiest friend who I've had many discussions with about this very topic, as I was raised in a family that went to Church every Sunday...he would get so frustrated because even though I could never prove God existed, he couldn't prove he didn't...and that even though he doesn't believe God exists, I made him face the realization that even Athiests benefit by humanities belief in a 'Supreme Being' in their everyday lives regardless of what he believes lol but he insisted I believe his side and I never would lol to this day he utters obscenities when the subject is broached
Head banger wrote:
yeah, because I said so, thats a great argument. so is everyone knows its so. first off, iv everyone did, there would be no argument. second everyone could be wrong. hundreds of years ago everyone thoght the earth was flat. turns out they might have been wrong. the popular belief is not always right.
I read an interesting debate on creationism vs evolution a while back. must see if I can find it. people get so absolutly certain of one idea or another, they cant even conceive of a way that both ideas could be right.
ron h wrote:
That's pretty much my point, HB. If a person is going to give an opinion and debate it, they also have a responsibility to substantiate it...not necessarily to prove themselves right or superior or what ever...but to give me that information so that I may logically respond to it...and likewise. Too often an opinion ends with "well, that's how I feel", "so", "I don't care", "what do you know?", "because I said so"...and the like. Where's the give and take?
As far as theory vs. fact...Evoloution vs. Creationism...Big Bang vs. God...These are great example of that...ppl have died because of their views on this...how can either be proven??
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:30:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
the thing that made me think of that post first was seeing the debate on healthcare from the states. its funny, you see both sides calling the other hitler...
here, lately we mostly do have civilized discussions, it wasnt always that way, but it is now. It is hard to understand where others are coming from, but without knowing that how can anything they say mean anything?
BTW, the seek first to understand then to be understood comes from steven covey, think its part of the 7 habits.
Would that be the short, illustrated version, or the real thing? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, August 16, 2009 8:01:02 PM)
spapad wrote:
Oh, my family was Southern Baptist growing up, that is why I said it seemed like a very progressive view when my mother told me that tale. Most Baptists would hit you with a Bilble for that view! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, and it might be worth mentioning, that all this is not always against religious teachings. The story that you were told is actualy the official view of the Catholic church towards evolution, and the Big Bang theory is, according to them, the physical appearance of Creation.
Thats the Catholics, anyway. Orthodox Christians and Protestants are more fundamentalistic in this.
spapad wrote:
Oh crap, gonna open my mouth again! What created the lump that exploded Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont know that much about that theory, but from what I know, it doesnt say that it started from nothing. It says that the universe expanded from a sort of a primordial... "lump". Or something like that. Basicly, that it is all a procces of continous expanding that still goes on. If I got it right, anyway.
But, if we turn to religion... There is always the question of where did god come from?
And I think that wheter or not a certain theory is true or not is not that important, what I think matters most is the approach. The scientific theories are imo serious attempts to explain something. They give us something to build on, they can be adapted or changed to suit new evidence and new facts that come along, or transformed completely, if the facts speak completely against them. Whereas religion only says what happened, and no debate. The bible just says that god created the havens and the earth, period. God created this, did that, said that. Why? Well, thats the big question, I guess.
ron h wrote:
I understand that the concept of blind faith is a tough pill to swallow...more so in this day and age. My issue has always been the Big Bang Theory...if there was nothing...where did the B A N G come from??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... We used to have a lot of that here. If I remember right, we even had a thread dedicated to religion, that got sacked because we were to out of hand...
Anyway, Im an atheist, as are both my parents... Ive had a secular upringing, no sunday schools, I wasnt even baptised... And I guess it stuck with me, although I think religion is interesting, thats why Ive read the bible, even tho I never attended a service in my life.
As for Creationism vs. Evolution, I buy into evolution, pretty much just because it makes sense to me.
ron h wrote:
There is a group out there of Scientists who feel as you've mentioned that there's room for both...God and Science. I thought that was odd in that science is based in fact where the other...
I have an Athiest friend who I've had many discussions with about this very topic, as I was raised in a family that went to Church every Sunday...he would get so frustrated because even though I could never prove God existed, he couldn't prove he didn't...and that even though he doesn't believe God exists, I made him face the realization that even Athiests benefit by humanities belief in a 'Supreme Being' in their everyday lives regardless of what he believes lol but he insisted I believe his side and I never would lol to this day he utters obscenities when the subject is broached
Head banger wrote:
yeah, because I said so, thats a great argument. so is everyone knows its so. first off, iv everyone did, there would be no argument. second everyone could be wrong. hundreds of years ago everyone thoght the earth was flat. turns out they might have been wrong. the popular belief is not always right.
I read an interesting debate on creationism vs evolution a while back. must see if I can find it. people get so absolutly certain of one idea or another, they cant even conceive of a way that both ideas could be right.
ron h wrote:
That's pretty much my point, HB. If a person is going to give an opinion and debate it, they also have a responsibility to substantiate it...not necessarily to prove themselves right or superior or what ever...but to give me that information so that I may logically respond to it...and likewise. Too often an opinion ends with "well, that's how I feel", "so", "I don't care", "what do you know?", "because I said so"...and the like. Where's the give and take?
As far as theory vs. fact...Evoloution vs. Creationism...Big Bang vs. God...These are great example of that...ppl have died because of their views on this...how can either be proven??
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:30:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
the thing that made me think of that post first was seeing the debate on healthcare from the states. its funny, you see both sides calling the other hitler...
here, lately we mostly do have civilized discussions, it wasnt always that way, but it is now. It is hard to understand where others are coming from, but without knowing that how can anything they say mean anything?
BTW, the seek first to understand then to be understood comes from steven covey, think its part of the 7 habits.
Honestly, I just read the synopsis in the first paragraph... If you want to go into details, I suggest getting a few college degrees, and a Stephen Hawking wheelchair.
spapad wrote:
Oh crap, gonna open my mouth again! What created the lump that exploded Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont know that much about that theory, but from what I know, it doesnt say that it started from nothing. It says that the universe expanded from a sort of a primordial... "lump". Or something like that. Basicly, that it is all a procces of continous expanding that still goes on. If I got it right, anyway.
But, if we turn to religion... There is always the question of where did god come from?
And I think that wheter or not a certain theory is true or not is not that important, what I think matters most is the approach. The scientific theories are imo serious attempts to explain something. They give us something to build on, they can be adapted or changed to suit new evidence and new facts that come along, or transformed completely, if the facts speak completely against them. Whereas religion only says what happened, and no debate. The bible just says that god created the havens and the earth, period. God created this, did that, said that. Why? Well, thats the big question, I guess.
ron h wrote:
I understand that the concept of blind faith is a tough pill to swallow...more so in this day and age. My issue has always been the Big Bang Theory...if there was nothing...where did the B A N G come from??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... We used to have a lot of that here. If I remember right, we even had a thread dedicated to religion, that got sacked because we were to out of hand...
Anyway, Im an atheist, as are both my parents... Ive had a secular upringing, no sunday schools, I wasnt even baptised... And I guess it stuck with me, although I think religion is interesting, thats why Ive read the bible, even tho I never attended a service in my life.
As for Creationism vs. Evolution, I buy into evolution, pretty much just because it makes sense to me.
ron h wrote:
There is a group out there of Scientists who feel as you've mentioned that there's room for both...God and Science. I thought that was odd in that science is based in fact where the other...
I have an Athiest friend who I've had many discussions with about this very topic, as I was raised in a family that went to Church every Sunday...he would get so frustrated because even though I could never prove God existed, he couldn't prove he didn't...and that even though he doesn't believe God exists, I made him face the realization that even Athiests benefit by humanities belief in a 'Supreme Being' in their everyday lives regardless of what he believes lol but he insisted I believe his side and I never would lol to this day he utters obscenities when the subject is broached
Head banger wrote:
yeah, because I said so, thats a great argument. so is everyone knows its so. first off, iv everyone did, there would be no argument. second everyone could be wrong. hundreds of years ago everyone thoght the earth was flat. turns out they might have been wrong. the popular belief is not always right.
I read an interesting debate on creationism vs evolution a while back. must see if I can find it. people get so absolutly certain of one idea or another, they cant even conceive of a way that both ideas could be right.
ron h wrote:
That's pretty much my point, HB. If a person is going to give an opinion and debate it, they also have a responsibility to substantiate it...not necessarily to prove themselves right or superior or what ever...but to give me that information so that I may logically respond to it...and likewise. Too often an opinion ends with "well, that's how I feel", "so", "I don't care", "what do you know?", "because I said so"...and the like. Where's the give and take?
As far as theory vs. fact...Evoloution vs. Creationism...Big Bang vs. God...These are great example of that...ppl have died because of their views on this...how can either be proven??
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:30:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
the thing that made me think of that post first was seeing the debate on healthcare from the states. its funny, you see both sides calling the other hitler...
here, lately we mostly do have civilized discussions, it wasnt always that way, but it is now. It is hard to understand where others are coming from, but without knowing that how can anything they say mean anything?
BTW, the seek first to understand then to be understood comes from steven covey, think its part of the 7 habits.
Oh, and it might be worth mentioning, that all this is not always against religious teachings. The story that you were told is actualy the official view of the Catholic church towards evolution, and the Big Bang theory is, according to them, the physical appearance of Creation.
Thats the Catholics, anyway. Orthodox Christians and Protestants are more fundamentalistic in this. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:48:12 PM)
spapad wrote:
Oh crap, gonna open my mouth again! What created the lump that exploded Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont know that much about that theory, but from what I know, it doesnt say that it started from nothing. It says that the universe expanded from a sort of a primordial... "lump". Or something like that. Basicly, that it is all a procces of continous expanding that still goes on. If I got it right, anyway.
But, if we turn to religion... There is always the question of where did god come from?
And I think that wheter or not a certain theory is true or not is not that important, what I think matters most is the approach. The scientific theories are imo serious attempts to explain something. They give us something to build on, they can be adapted or changed to suit new evidence and new facts that come along, or transformed completely, if the facts speak completely against them. Whereas religion only says what happened, and no debate. The bible just says that god created the havens and the earth, period. God created this, did that, said that. Why? Well, thats the big question, I guess.
ron h wrote:
I understand that the concept of blind faith is a tough pill to swallow...more so in this day and age. My issue has always been the Big Bang Theory...if there was nothing...where did the B A N G come from??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... We used to have a lot of that here. If I remember right, we even had a thread dedicated to religion, that got sacked because we were to out of hand...
Anyway, Im an atheist, as are both my parents... Ive had a secular upringing, no sunday schools, I wasnt even baptised... And I guess it stuck with me, although I think religion is interesting, thats why Ive read the bible, even tho I never attended a service in my life.
As for Creationism vs. Evolution, I buy into evolution, pretty much just because it makes sense to me.
ron h wrote:
There is a group out there of Scientists who feel as you've mentioned that there's room for both...God and Science. I thought that was odd in that science is based in fact where the other...
I have an Athiest friend who I've had many discussions with about this very topic, as I was raised in a family that went to Church every Sunday...he would get so frustrated because even though I could never prove God existed, he couldn't prove he didn't...and that even though he doesn't believe God exists, I made him face the realization that even Athiests benefit by humanities belief in a 'Supreme Being' in their everyday lives regardless of what he believes lol but he insisted I believe his side and I never would lol to this day he utters obscenities when the subject is broached
Head banger wrote:
yeah, because I said so, thats a great argument. so is everyone knows its so. first off, iv everyone did, there would be no argument. second everyone could be wrong. hundreds of years ago everyone thoght the earth was flat. turns out they might have been wrong. the popular belief is not always right.
I read an interesting debate on creationism vs evolution a while back. must see if I can find it. people get so absolutly certain of one idea or another, they cant even conceive of a way that both ideas could be right.
ron h wrote:
That's pretty much my point, HB. If a person is going to give an opinion and debate it, they also have a responsibility to substantiate it...not necessarily to prove themselves right or superior or what ever...but to give me that information so that I may logically respond to it...and likewise. Too often an opinion ends with "well, that's how I feel", "so", "I don't care", "what do you know?", "because I said so"...and the like. Where's the give and take?
As far as theory vs. fact...Evoloution vs. Creationism...Big Bang vs. God...These are great example of that...ppl have died because of their views on this...how can either be proven??
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:30:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
the thing that made me think of that post first was seeing the debate on healthcare from the states. its funny, you see both sides calling the other hitler...
here, lately we mostly do have civilized discussions, it wasnt always that way, but it is now. It is hard to understand where others are coming from, but without knowing that how can anything they say mean anything?
BTW, the seek first to understand then to be understood comes from steven covey, think its part of the 7 habits.
Honestly, I just read the synopsis in the first paragraph... If you want to go into details, I suggest getting a few college degrees, and a Stephen Hawking wheelchair. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:48:12 PM)
spapad wrote:
Oh crap, gonna open my mouth again! What created the lump that exploded Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont know that much about that theory, but from what I know, it doesnt say that it started from nothing. It says that the universe expanded from a sort of a primordial... "lump". Or something like that. Basicly, that it is all a procces of continous expanding that still goes on. If I got it right, anyway.
But, if we turn to religion... There is always the question of where did god come from?
And I think that wheter or not a certain theory is true or not is not that important, what I think matters most is the approach. The scientific theories are imo serious attempts to explain something. They give us something to build on, they can be adapted or changed to suit new evidence and new facts that come along, or transformed completely, if the facts speak completely against them. Whereas religion only says what happened, and no debate. The bible just says that god created the havens and the earth, period. God created this, did that, said that. Why? Well, thats the big question, I guess.
ron h wrote:
I understand that the concept of blind faith is a tough pill to swallow...more so in this day and age. My issue has always been the Big Bang Theory...if there was nothing...where did the B A N G come from??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... We used to have a lot of that here. If I remember right, we even had a thread dedicated to religion, that got sacked because we were to out of hand...
Anyway, Im an atheist, as are both my parents... Ive had a secular upringing, no sunday schools, I wasnt even baptised... And I guess it stuck with me, although I think religion is interesting, thats why Ive read the bible, even tho I never attended a service in my life.
As for Creationism vs. Evolution, I buy into evolution, pretty much just because it makes sense to me.
ron h wrote:
There is a group out there of Scientists who feel as you've mentioned that there's room for both...God and Science. I thought that was odd in that science is based in fact where the other...
I have an Athiest friend who I've had many discussions with about this very topic, as I was raised in a family that went to Church every Sunday...he would get so frustrated because even though I could never prove God existed, he couldn't prove he didn't...and that even though he doesn't believe God exists, I made him face the realization that even Athiests benefit by humanities belief in a 'Supreme Being' in their everyday lives regardless of what he believes lol but he insisted I believe his side and I never would lol to this day he utters obscenities when the subject is broached
Head banger wrote:
yeah, because I said so, thats a great argument. so is everyone knows its so. first off, iv everyone did, there would be no argument. second everyone could be wrong. hundreds of years ago everyone thoght the earth was flat. turns out they might have been wrong. the popular belief is not always right.
I read an interesting debate on creationism vs evolution a while back. must see if I can find it. people get so absolutly certain of one idea or another, they cant even conceive of a way that both ideas could be right.
ron h wrote:
That's pretty much my point, HB. If a person is going to give an opinion and debate it, they also have a responsibility to substantiate it...not necessarily to prove themselves right or superior or what ever...but to give me that information so that I may logically respond to it...and likewise. Too often an opinion ends with "well, that's how I feel", "so", "I don't care", "what do you know?", "because I said so"...and the like. Where's the give and take?
As far as theory vs. fact...Evoloution vs. Creationism...Big Bang vs. God...These are great example of that...ppl have died because of their views on this...how can either be proven??
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:30:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
the thing that made me think of that post first was seeing the debate on healthcare from the states. its funny, you see both sides calling the other hitler...
here, lately we mostly do have civilized discussions, it wasnt always that way, but it is now. It is hard to understand where others are coming from, but without knowing that how can anything they say mean anything?
BTW, the seek first to understand then to be understood comes from steven covey, think its part of the 7 habits.
Well, I dont know that much about that theory, but from what I know, it doesnt say that it started from nothing. It says that the universe expanded from a sort of a primordial... "lump". Or something like that. Basicly, that it is all a procces of continous expanding that still goes on. If I got it right, anyway.
But, if we turn to religion... There is always the question of where did god come from?
And I think that wheter or not a certain theory is true or not is not that important, what I think matters most is the approach. The scientific theories are imo serious attempts to explain something. They give us something to build on, they can be adapted or changed to suit new evidence and new facts that come along, or transformed completely, if the facts speak completely against them. Whereas religion only says what happened, and no debate. The bible just says that god created the havens and the earth, period. God created this, did that, said that. Why? Well, thats the big question, I guess. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:30:39 PM)
ron h wrote:
I understand that the concept of blind faith is a tough pill to swallow...more so in this day and age. My issue has always been the Big Bang Theory...if there was nothing...where did the B A N G come from??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... We used to have a lot of that here. If I remember right, we even had a thread dedicated to religion, that got sacked because we were to out of hand...
Anyway, Im an atheist, as are both my parents... Ive had a secular upringing, no sunday schools, I wasnt even baptised... And I guess it stuck with me, although I think religion is interesting, thats why Ive read the bible, even tho I never attended a service in my life.
As for Creationism vs. Evolution, I buy into evolution, pretty much just because it makes sense to me.
ron h wrote:
There is a group out there of Scientists who feel as you've mentioned that there's room for both...God and Science. I thought that was odd in that science is based in fact where the other...
I have an Athiest friend who I've had many discussions with about this very topic, as I was raised in a family that went to Church every Sunday...he would get so frustrated because even though I could never prove God existed, he couldn't prove he didn't...and that even though he doesn't believe God exists, I made him face the realization that even Athiests benefit by humanities belief in a 'Supreme Being' in their everyday lives regardless of what he believes lol but he insisted I believe his side and I never would lol to this day he utters obscenities when the subject is broached
Head banger wrote:
yeah, because I said so, thats a great argument. so is everyone knows its so. first off, iv everyone did, there would be no argument. second everyone could be wrong. hundreds of years ago everyone thoght the earth was flat. turns out they might have been wrong. the popular belief is not always right.
I read an interesting debate on creationism vs evolution a while back. must see if I can find it. people get so absolutly certain of one idea or another, they cant even conceive of a way that both ideas could be right.
ron h wrote:
That's pretty much my point, HB. If a person is going to give an opinion and debate it, they also have a responsibility to substantiate it...not necessarily to prove themselves right or superior or what ever...but to give me that information so that I may logically respond to it...and likewise. Too often an opinion ends with "well, that's how I feel", "so", "I don't care", "what do you know?", "because I said so"...and the like. Where's the give and take?
As far as theory vs. fact...Evoloution vs. Creationism...Big Bang vs. God...These are great example of that...ppl have died because of their views on this...how can either be proven??
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:30:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
the thing that made me think of that post first was seeing the debate on healthcare from the states. its funny, you see both sides calling the other hitler...
here, lately we mostly do have civilized discussions, it wasnt always that way, but it is now. It is hard to understand where others are coming from, but without knowing that how can anything they say mean anything?
BTW, the seek first to understand then to be understood comes from steven covey, think its part of the 7 habits.
Lol... We used to have a lot of that here. If I remember right, we even had a thread dedicated to religion, that got sacked because we were to out of hand...
Anyway, Im an atheist, as are both my parents... Ive had a secular upringing, no sunday schools, I wasnt even baptised... And I guess it stuck with me, although I think religion is interesting, thats why Ive read the bible, even tho I never attended a service in my life.
As for Creationism vs. Evolution, I buy into evolution, pretty much just because it makes sense to me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, August 16, 2009 7:09:31 PM)
ron h wrote:
There is a group out there of Scientists who feel as you've mentioned that there's room for both...God and Science. I thought that was odd in that science is based in fact where the other...
I have an Athiest friend who I've had many discussions with about this very topic, as I was raised in a family that went to Church every Sunday...he would get so frustrated because even though I could never prove God existed, he couldn't prove he didn't...and that even though he doesn't believe God exists, I made him face the realization that even Athiests benefit by humanities belief in a 'Supreme Being' in their everyday lives regardless of what he believes lol but he insisted I believe his side and I never would lol to this day he utters obscenities when the subject is broached
Head banger wrote:
yeah, because I said so, thats a great argument. so is everyone knows its so. first off, iv everyone did, there would be no argument. second everyone could be wrong. hundreds of years ago everyone thoght the earth was flat. turns out they might have been wrong. the popular belief is not always right.
I read an interesting debate on creationism vs evolution a while back. must see if I can find it. people get so absolutly certain of one idea or another, they cant even conceive of a way that both ideas could be right.
ron h wrote:
That's pretty much my point, HB. If a person is going to give an opinion and debate it, they also have a responsibility to substantiate it...not necessarily to prove themselves right or superior or what ever...but to give me that information so that I may logically respond to it...and likewise. Too often an opinion ends with "well, that's how I feel", "so", "I don't care", "what do you know?", "because I said so"...and the like. Where's the give and take?
As far as theory vs. fact...Evoloution vs. Creationism...Big Bang vs. God...These are great example of that...ppl have died because of their views on this...how can either be proven??
(Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 2:30:51 PM)
Head banger wrote:
the thing that made me think of that post first was seeing the debate on healthcare from the states. its funny, you see both sides calling the other hitler...
here, lately we mostly do have civilized discussions, it wasnt always that way, but it is now. It is hard to understand where others are coming from, but without knowing that how can anything they say mean anything?
BTW, the seek first to understand then to be understood comes from steven covey, think its part of the 7 habits.
Well, I agree with that. Theres another thing here, when we take into consideration that we are from different parts of the world. We all have stereotypes. In my country, or I think even in Europe in general, the prevailing stereotype about Americans is that you are all just fat, dumb, TV addicts. Or, we know better, but thats the sort of an image that most of us will get when thinking about America. And Im sure that you have plenty of stereotypes about us. We all know that the stereotype isnt true, but its still there somewhere, and its sometimes hard to ignore it.
That, and since you mention the Western global policy (which is a good example, since it always generates the most heated debates), I guess I would have to take into consideration that most of the people here are Americans. From a country which is a major player (probably the biggest) in these policies, and I come from a country that has only recently joined up, and even that on a very small scale. Since American foreign policy is very much tied to patriotism towards America, I guess that I have to take into consideration that Im talking to people that are biased, whereas I dont feel any loyalty to the US (being that Im not American), and never have to answer for my countries actions in the global field. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:44:24 PM)
ron h wrote:
I will add that it's sometimes hard to understand anothers' opinion when I can't understand how they came to it. A lot of times ppl express an opinion that has no foundation or basis of fact, or even an experience with which to compare it to. Let's say I don't agree with Strat on Western global policy, how am I to understand (or respect) his point of view if I've never had to walk in his shoes? So, he would need to explain to me how he came to that point of view, what facts support or relate to me something he went through himself. It happens way too often that opinions are given when the one who gives it can't substantiate it...if they even know what they're talking about. That above all else really gets to me and I admit...get's extremely frustrating...especially if I can substantiate mine. That was just example Strat, nothing more!!
_strat_ wrote:
Good to see you back.
Well, Id say that its because we all have our opinions that we value a lot... And especialy in this thread those opinions touch things like patriotism, religion, ethnic backgrounds etc. Which are usualy very personal, and its easy to get into a situation where someones opinion insults someone else.
I dont know... I usualy try not to be insulting, especialy towards regular members, although I guess I have slipped from time to time. Anyway, if I have an opinion on something I will say it, and I have been attacked for it before. Anthing from my critic of religion, opposing ethnic and national pride, opposing the Western global policy... And I guess some of my responses could be considered attacks as well. IDK. I think that above all we should keep in mind that just because someone says something we dont like, its not because that person wants to attack us or hurt us, but because that person really does think that way.
Head banger wrote:
Time for a rant.
Why can’t people in today environment have a civilized discussion?Not just on the boards here, but in general.So many things we discuss these days create anger and harsh words.What does that accomplish?Any issue that has any importance soon results in people calling names, yelling, and not understanding.Try discussing abortion, global warming, taxes, health care, global trade, evolution, etc.People have a hard and fast opinion and they stick to it.They seek to convince the other side that they are wrong.Do they get anywhere?Hell no.The motto “Seek first to understand then to be understood” seems lost these days.Never let facts get in the way of what you know.
While I am ranting, when did people start confusing a scientific theory with fact?A fact is something that is proven, with no doubt.A theory may be widely accepted, debated or whatever, but it’s not a fact.Global warming, evolution, relativity are all theory’s that will most likely never be proven.Then you here people using computer models or forecasts to prove something.A computer model is a forecast.It is only proof that someone can write a program.The other day the weather forecast before I left for work was 0%, yet on the way to work it was raining.Think about it, that’s a 2 hour time gap, and the forecast was wrong.That forecast uses computer models, forecasters with years of experience, yet is wrong.No model or forecast is proof of anything.
Ok, rant over.Be respectful, not close-minded, remember the difference between fact and theory, and for Pete's sake a forecast is not proof.Now…Everyone go back to arguing or sleeping, whichever.
Well, Id say that its because we all have our opinions that we value a lot... And especialy in this thread those opinions touch things like patriotism, religion, ethnic backgrounds etc. Which are usualy very personal, and its easy to get into a situation where someones opinion insults someone else.
I dont know... I usualy try not to be insulting, especialy towards regular members, although I guess I have slipped from time to time. Anyway, if I have an opinion on something I will say it, and I have been attacked for it before. Anthing from my critic of religion, opposing ethnic and national pride, opposing the Western global policy... And I guess some of my responses could be considered attacks as well. IDK. I think that above all we should keep in mind that just because someone says something we dont like, its not because that person wants to attack us or hurt us, but because that person really does think that way. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, August 16, 2009 9:44:09 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Time for a rant.
Why can’t people in today environment have a civilized discussion?Not just on the boards here, but in general.So many things we discuss these days create anger and harsh words.What does that accomplish?Any issue that has any importance soon results in people calling names, yelling, and not understanding.Try discussing abortion, global warming, taxes, health care, global trade, evolution, etc.People have a hard and fast opinion and they stick to it.They seek to convince the other side that they are wrong.Do they get anywhere?Hell no.The motto “Seek first to understand then to be understood” seems lost these days.Never let facts get in the way of what you know.
While I am ranting, when did people start confusing a scientific theory with fact?A fact is something that is proven, with no doubt.A theory may be widely accepted, debated or whatever, but it’s not a fact.Global warming, evolution, relativity are all theory’s that will most likely never be proven.Then you here people using computer models or forecasts to prove something.A computer model is a forecast.It is only proof that someone can write a program.The other day the weather forecast before I left for work was 0%, yet on the way to work it was raining.Think about it, that’s a 2 hour time gap, and the forecast was wrong.That forecast uses computer models, forecasters with years of experience, yet is wrong.No model or forecast is proof of anything.
Ok, rant over.Be respectful, not close-minded, remember the difference between fact and theory, and for Pete's sake a forecast is not proof.Now…Everyone go back to arguing or sleeping, whichever.
That explains the "Ron Jeremy look" in that old photos... Right? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, August 14, 2009 2:54:42 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Deviant? DEVIANT?!?!?!? My good man, I will have you know I was referencing good old American, wholesome, booby porn!!!!!!!!!! No animals or other sick stuff!! (Mayhaps I will visit the "Thong Thread" a time or two..... ) HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey Den!! Great to see you again!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Hey, now. Let's not encourage this deviant!
Whattup Den! Good to see you.
DEN1673 wrote:
Yeah, go for it...... Porn when the Princess is out of town!!!! Ha
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah yes!! 'Tis Friday, indeed!!!!! Going to be a peaceful one around here as the Princess will be out of town visiting her parents. I am rather disappointed in that ALL THREE Dodger games will not be broadcast in my area...Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. Well, I have music to work on and other things to do..not to mention porn on the computer. BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Happy Friday, all!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is not always about spelling, man!!! I meant the way the person writes mostly...like these guys are the friggin "second coming" or something and the sentence structure is deplorable... HAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Godawful? I just took a look at it now, and looks really cool! If it werent for the fact that I heard their songs, I would actualy think that they are a cool band by looking at their website!
And I havent spoted any typos either...
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! Well said, my friend. I did take a peek at their website and it is godawful!!! I am serious! They have someone writing hype for them that apparently never graduated high school.....HA!!!!!!!!!!! Terrible writing.
They are definitely NOT my kind of music but I have a LOT of respect for them after what the vocalist said Saturday night. I really do.
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. I learned that as soon as you call someone a proffesional musician, that closes the debate.
Now, seriously, yeah they still suck... But if he said all those things, then I guess we can respect them... And beat their fans... With respect.
Deep Freeze wrote:
What...no one cares to bash these guys any longer...??? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Godawful? I just took a look at it now, and looks really cool! If it werent for the fact that I heard their songs, I would actualy think that they are a cool band by looking at their website!
And I havent spoted any typos either... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, August 10, 2009 6:05:32 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!! Well said, my friend. I did take a peek at their website and it is godawful!!! I am serious! They have someone writing hype for them that apparently never graduated high school.....HA!!!!!!!!!!! Terrible writing.
They are definitely NOT my kind of music but I have a LOT of respect for them after what the vocalist said Saturday night. I really do.
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. I learned that as soon as you call someone a proffesional musician, that closes the debate.
Now, seriously, yeah they still suck... But if he said all those things, then I guess we can respect them... And beat their fans... With respect.
Deep Freeze wrote:
What...no one cares to bash these guys any longer...??? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Nope. I learned that as soon as you call someone a proffesional musician, that closes the debate.
Now, seriously, yeah they still suck... But if he said all those things, then I guess we can respect them... And beat their fans... With respect. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, August 10, 2009 5:35:11 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
What...no one cares to bash these guys any longer...??? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks, guys. It truly was as magical as I say. The Prince could not stop yakking about it ALL the way home!! HA!!!!!!!!!!! Kept saying, "DUDE! That was AMAZING!!" over and over!! HAAAHAHAHAHA!!! I have often read that this happens when we finally get the younger folks to a Priest show but to actually see it happening was a rare treat for me. I am not used to being around kids in the first place so this is quite an experience for ME as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
Will the lad actually turn away from Hollister shirts and "Pop" music?? I cannot say. I think there are far too many forces at work in a young person's life and since he is entering high school this year, it is likely he will try desperately to "fit in".. I do not know with certainty that Priest will be a part of that BUT I am encouraged. While we were at the show, he kept receiving texts and sending pics to his inquiring friends. I guess that Metal is not all THAT bad in the eyes of the young. With a little luck.................
Lol! I just have to share this... When I read the title, I thought that it was just a spoof, but this is obviously serious, so I can only congratulate the guy!
Ah, yes, I just checked. Someone called Chris Frazier is the drummer now. Well, its a shame. That solo was really cool. Well, the guitarists are still great, tho, so thats one thing we dont have to worry about. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by priestrocker2 from Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:43:02 PM)
priestrocker2 wrote:
Strat to answer your question about the drummer from Whitesnake, no he did not do a solo. They don't have the same drummer when you saw them last. That was Tommy Aldridge that did the solo with his hands. He is an amazing drummer. And I agree with you the 2 guitarist are really good especially Doug Aldrich. Edited at: Saturday, August 08, 2009 4:45:52 PM
Well, dont get me wrong, I think he is still a good singer, he just doesnt have the same voice anymore... I mean, if you listen to his stuff with Deep Purple and the classic Whitesnake, he had a really good voice. Very deep and smooth. Now its sort of squeaky.
As for what Rob said, Whitesnake are hardly a new act, and they would help Popevil a lot more if they sent them down to the job centre. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, August 08, 2009 2:10:59 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Looking AND sounding like an old lady??!?!? HAAAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! Oh MAN!! Too funny.
Coverdale reminds me of a Robert Plant clone. Of course, he is as OLD as Plant and all of this is likely by design. As for Popevil and all the whys and whatnots, I cannot say. I do recall in interview recently with Rob where he said that opening acts are part of Priest's way of helping out newer acts...He said it is "part of what we do" and that all major acts should give back in this way. Perhaps that is why they are on the bill?
Well, IDK... When I saw them, it was their show, they werent opening for anyone. They had the stage all to themselves, and made the most of it. How they would get on with Priest, I dont know, but come to think of it, there are a lot of bands that would be more apropriate to open for Priest. Still, Whitesnake is better than Popevil, I guess there is no debate about that... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Saturday, August 08, 2009 1:40:20 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
I just don't think that Whitesnake are a good band for opening up a heavy metal show....I just don't "get it". Yeah they can play..ect...and I'm not saying that they don't
put on a good show or anything like that,....but really guys..."whitesnake" at a Judas Priest concert? This is nothing "new"as this has always been like this..........
I remember "Greate White" opening up for the Defenders Of The Faith tour...."Greate White"? Yuk. So it goes to show...this has always been the case.
You would think after 30 years in the buisness...they would LEARN to assemble a freaking REAL HEAVY METAL tour! They had it right at least when
they had Judas Priest,Heaven & Hell,Motorhead and Testament....thats the way it :should be". But Popevil? What the fuck kinda bullshit are they throwing
at us here for christ's sake? Popevil? HAHAHA!! That band is sooo "LAME" it makes my stomach turn! YUK!
_strat_ wrote:
Did the drummer do a solo with his fists? Thats what he did over here (seen them here about two years ago, and they rocked). And they did the guitar duel too. Pretty long, but I thought that it was great. The only objection I had is for Coverdale. He went from sounding like a man and looking like an old lady to sounding and looking like an old lady.
Deep Freeze wrote:
We missed Popevil in Detroit as well but as far as Whitesnake, I agree that their set was GREAT, however, the "dueling guitar" bit was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long!!! I mean, yeah we GET it..you can play guitar!! Cool. Now get on with it! It was WAY overdone, in my opinion.
Did the drummer do a solo with his fists? Thats what he did over here (seen them here about two years ago, and they rocked). And they did the guitar duel too. Pretty long, but I thought that it was great. The only objection I had is for Coverdale. He went from sounding like a man and looking like an old lady to sounding and looking like an old lady. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:44:49 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
We missed Popevil in Detroit as well but as far as Whitesnake, I agree that their set was GREAT, however, the "dueling guitar" bit was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too long!!! I mean, yeah we GET it..you can play guitar!! Cool. Now get on with it! It was WAY overdone, in my opinion.
Cool. Just get a red one. For some reason a Ferrari that isnt red just doesnt feel right... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, August 08, 2009 12:12:13 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
It's a Modena 360
Head banger wrote:
hey which Ferrari is that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
GOOOOOOOOOOD METAL MORNING TO ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes Bev and Ron, today is THE day!!! I am bursting with excitement!!! The young'un is as well. In fact, I do believe he plans to create a membership here today!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He said something about it last night so, when he wakes up, I may give him a helping hand and introduce him to you maniacs!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Be kind to him, please? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!!!!!
I am thinking of all kinds of things this morning! I went online to a place that rents exotic cars and I am considering a Ferrari or a Vette or something for the evening!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't ask me HOW I will get THAT one by the Princess but I was thinking about it!!! Not all THAT pricey, actually. About $300 or so for the night but this IS a special occasion, right?? Jeez, I am already practicing my speech......HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In any event, the clock is ticking and time is moving at a snail's pace!!! I am ready to rock. I do hope to hear from Pain87 as far as how the Phoenix show went...? Anyone? Anyone?......Bulher? Bulher.......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Then again, 300$/night for a real Ferrari doesnt sound too expensive. And you dont even have to buy batteries. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, August 08, 2009 11:15:35 AM)
Head banger wrote:
hey which Ferrari is that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
GOOOOOOOOOOD METAL MORNING TO ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes Bev and Ron, today is THE day!!! I am bursting with excitement!!! The young'un is as well. In fact, I do believe he plans to create a membership here today!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He said something about it last night so, when he wakes up, I may give him a helping hand and introduce him to you maniacs!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Be kind to him, please? HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!!!!!
I am thinking of all kinds of things this morning! I went online to a place that rents exotic cars and I am considering a Ferrari or a Vette or something for the evening!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't ask me HOW I will get THAT one by the Princess but I was thinking about it!!! Not all THAT pricey, actually. About $300 or so for the night but this IS a special occasion, right?? Jeez, I am already practicing my speech......HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In any event, the clock is ticking and time is moving at a snail's pace!!! I am ready to rock. I do hope to hear from Pain87 as far as how the Phoenix show went...? Anyone? Anyone?......Bulher? Bulher.......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There... Arkona. Russian folk-pagan-something band... A lot of folklore mixed with heavy metal, set to a slideshow of pictures from Russian folklore and Slavic mythology... The song is called "Sila Slavnih", which means "Force of glory/force of glorious", if Im not much mistaken... A great song, specialy because its not just a knockoff of western bands, but something that Russians took and made their own.
I hear you... Ive been at home for 2 months now... And Im really glad I will be going to college in autumn. If I wasnt, I would have to look for a regular job, and I have better chances of winning the lotto. And in any case, I will need a part time job soon, when I run out of money.
IDK, for all theyre saying about how we reached the bottom and "there are signs of the economy getting better"... I still think that it will get a lot worse... Im definatly feeling for everyone that is unemployed in these times. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, July 29, 2009 9:33:24 PM)
Becks wrote:
Very true Vail, you don't know what you've got till it's gone.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It does suck that most people take certain things for granted. There are so many others out there who would kill to even HAVE a job in this economy. Your friend probably won't realize how lucky she has it until she quits that job. Unless she changes her mood, she'll figure out the truth the hard way.
"You don't know what you got 'til it's gone".
Becks wrote:
Not so much pissed off as just in general not very happy. There's a person on another message board I go to who is currently complaining about her job and wants to quit and go on the benefit blah blah blah, and it's just getting me down that she is being so frivolous about having a full time job, when I am struggling to find anything at all. I wish people at times like this, when the job market is shit and what not, could learn to appreciate what they have. Some people are really struggling out there.
Well... On one hand I absolutely agree that the way Americans generaly treat people from elsewhere is absolutely disgusting, but what is probably even more disgusting is writing a mile long post about how someone is a junkie, a moron, and whatnot over the internet (where everyone can be tough).
So, I discovered a new proffession that may be better suited for you: [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:50:51 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
WELL,WELL....LOOKS LIKE THE RESIDENT,SELF-ADMITTED COCAINE USING,METH-SUCKING,POT SMOKING DOUCHE BAG FROM THE SOUTH WHO REALLY IS THE WINNIPEG WARRIOR,DARRYN...WHOEVER THE HELL HE IS ALWAYS DENYING HE REALLY IS...YOU'RE ON HERE ALL THE TIME SCREAMING AT PEOPLE,CALLING THEM FUCKING RETARDS,WISHING THIS,OR THAT PERSON WOULD DIE...I MEAN AT LEAST THE HEAVY,HARD DRUG USE,YOU HAVE TAKEN PART IN(AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED STILL DO) EXPLAINS YOUR VIOLENT,MORONIC,TANTRUMS YOU REGULARLY EXHIBIT HERE...I GUESS THE JUDGE-ORDERED ANGER MANAGEMENT CLASSES DIDN'T WORK OUT SO WELL FOR YOU W.W. ...COME ON DUDE...
G DROP THE MIDDLE MAN,AND JUST STAND UP AND ADMIT WHAT A-1 BONEHEAD YOU'VE BEEN ON HERE...NOW GO TAKE YOUR MEDS,SMOKE YOUR DOPE,AND CHANGE YOUR OBVIUOSLY OVERFLOWING ADULT (AND I USE THE TERM LOOSELY) DIAPER...NOW GO TO YOUR ROOM...NO SOUP FOR YOU PSYCHO!!! (OR WOULD YOU PREFER W.W.)
Well, I wouldnt know much about her political career, save from the presidential campaign...
Now, IDK, I guess generaly speaking, nobody likes politicians that dont do anything much... Then again, from what Ive seen up until now, I kinda prefer those that just cash their paychecks and dont do anything... Its the surest way that they wont screw anything up. Which is what most do, when they try to actualy do something. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, July 22, 2009 9:10:59 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
I can't say I've been following her travels as I have enough to deal with in my own backyard. I will say this, she's a ball of fire and shows no ill effects of her loss. That woman has been non-stop on the go pretty much from the time she accepted her position...I'll give her that much. Whether any of it makes a difference...I don't know, but she's not sitting back cashing her paycheck like a lot of other politicans.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. I think Ive seen that one before, but its still funny.
IDK, tho... Personaly, even tho it all came out funny and allright, it still has an edge to it... Ive been to those warzones myself (after the war, of course), and I know a couple of people that fled from the war and now live here... Looking at it that way, a bithc on the other end of the world, trying to make herself a hero on that account isnt all that funny anymore.
ronhartsell wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. I wont argue with that.
IDK, back when your presidential campaign started, I really thought that she might do ok... But as it went, Im really glad for you people that you didnt elect her. That Bosnian sniper dogding thing was a laugh tho.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hilary is much more of a man than Bill will ever be!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I see... Hillary better watch out then.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Strat!! No I would NOT!!! I was a Republican through the Reagan Era and the first Bush, but that was it!! I actually voted for Ross Perot in '92 and then crossed fully to the dark side in '96, the 2ND term of the Clinton Era and have never crossed back!!!
And YES...the puppy ROCKS!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol!!! Seriously now, would you want to hug Bush? I know I wouldnt.
Lol. I think Ive seen that one before, but its still funny.
IDK, tho... Personaly, even tho it all came out funny and allright, it still has an edge to it... Ive been to those warzones myself (after the war, of course), and I know a couple of people that fled from the war and now live here... Looking at it that way, a bithc on the other end of the world, trying to make herself a hero on that account isnt all that funny anymore. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, July 22, 2009 8:59:38 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. I wont argue with that.
IDK, back when your presidential campaign started, I really thought that she might do ok... But as it went, Im really glad for you people that you didnt elect her. That Bosnian sniper dogding thing was a laugh tho.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hilary is much more of a man than Bill will ever be!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I see... Hillary better watch out then.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Strat!! No I would NOT!!! I was a Republican through the Reagan Era and the first Bush, but that was it!! I actually voted for Ross Perot in '92 and then crossed fully to the dark side in '96, the 2ND term of the Clinton Era and have never crossed back!!!
And YES...the puppy ROCKS!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol!!! Seriously now, would you want to hug Bush? I know I wouldnt.
Well, here it is... 4 in the morning, I woke up about an hour ago, cant get back to sleep... And after a reasonably failed nocturnal cooking adventure, Im trying to find something to do.
IDK, back when your presidential campaign started, I really thought that she might do ok... But as it went, Im really glad for you people that you didnt elect her. That Bosnian sniper dogding thing was a laugh tho. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:11:38 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Hilary is much more of a man than Bill will ever be!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I see... Hillary better watch out then.
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Strat!! No I would NOT!!! I was a Republican through the Reagan Era and the first Bush, but that was it!! I actually voted for Ross Perot in '92 and then crossed fully to the dark side in '96, the 2ND term of the Clinton Era and have never crossed back!!!
And YES...the puppy ROCKS!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol!!! Seriously now, would you want to hug Bush? I know I wouldnt.
I see... Hillary better watch out then. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, July 22, 2009 5:31:12 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Strat!! No I would NOT!!! I was a Republican through the Reagan Era and the first Bush, but that was it!! I actually voted for Ross Perot in '92 and then crossed fully to the dark side in '96, the 2ND term of the Clinton Era and have never crossed back!!!
And YES...the puppy ROCKS!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol!!! Seriously now, would you want to hug Bush? I know I wouldnt.
Well, Im fine... Still waiting for the mail to tell me which college I will be going to... The bastards are really taking their time.
As for now, I was actually just leaving to make myself some lunch... So see you later. Have a good day at work! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, July 20, 2009 4:54:48 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
How ya been Strat?? Just about to leave for work, but glad to see you this morning (here anyway)!!
Thanks, everyone! And of course, (although belated) congratulations to Kia and Paor for their exams.
Anyway, its not certain if I actualy got admitted anywhere. What I know is that I passed one of the tests, and since I had a very good score (80/100 points, compared to my last years 45/100) its probably certain that I will be admitted to my second choice, if I dont make it to the first. But, since there are about 60 canditates for 25 vacancies, I have to make it into the top 25. Which I think I will, tho there is the theoretical chance that I wont.
Lol, sorry if all this is confusing, but thats how it is... The procedure is really, really complicated.
Anyway, 23rd of july is the date when all results have to be known (although I will probably know them earlier), and the signing up is on the 24th. So, there are maximum 8 days to wait.
Well, Borat was OK... But if you ever watch it, you only need to see the first half hour. After that it just starts to repeat itself. Kinda like Doors songs. It would be great if they would make them 3 or 4 times shorter.
IDK, I saw the O.J. baby scene and the army scene (Dolce&Gabbana thing), and that was kinda funny... Kinda, but no mathc for the ,masters of comedy, the Brits. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, July 14, 2009 5:00:56 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Well, I hadn't seen Borat, but from what I've heard it was funny. Seeing the previews, I had an idea of the theme of Bruno, but what you see in the ads is nothing compared to the content in the movie as a whole...
As I can usually find humor in most anything I figured I could handle Bruno...and I did...barely. I spent a good portion of the movie slumped in my seat with my hand partially covering my eyes!!!
There was a guy sitting in front of me (with 2 ladies), and all I heard from him throughout the movie was 'Oh my God', No F******g way', 'Not again'...so you get the idea!!! lol
Yes, it was funny and yes, I laughed my butt off at a lot of it...but some of it was a little visually unsettling for me...what that means, I don't know, but I will say that if someone is debating on checking this movie out and your in the least bit a homophobe, don't watch it!!! But if you can take it for what it is and enjoy humor on the raunchy side, then you might find this movie somewhat entertaing.
I wish I would have waited for the DVD so I could skip certain scenes...
_strat_ wrote:
Ugh... Well, I think I pretty much know what point Cohen is trying to get accros here, and thats fine... He should just try to make it more... Funny. IDK, I havent watched the whole film yet, but from the excerpts and TV appearances that Ive seen, it isnt very good...
ronhartsell wrote:
Bruno...It was not quite what I expected, but probably should have...laughed (somewhat uncomfortably) throughout the movie!! 3 0f 5 stars
Thanks, Spa! Yup, excellent news. Now, I only hope that I will pass my first choice too. Hell, if the mail doesnt come soon, I will probably strangle the postman! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, July 14, 2009 6:51:32 AM)
spapad wrote:
Congratulations Strat! That is excellent news!
_strat_ wrote:
Ive just recieved mail from the Graphic Arts Academy, telling me that I have passed their entry tests!!!
Now, that is my second choice for college, I still havent got any word from my first choice, but whatever comes... I will be a student in october, and I cant even begin to describe how happy that makes me.
Good job with the "R" and the "Z". Its those little touches that make all the difference. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:28:07 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
BWAAHAAAHAAAAA!!!! Did I disappoint? Hey, anyone seen this guy wondering around DTW?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sounds AWESOME, Scorp!!! Too COOL!! Man, they are really "barnstorming" the States, eh?? Cleveland tomorrow then Detroit on Wednesday. Whew! I cannot even imagine keeping such a schedule! And at their (my) age??!?!!!!!??!?!!!!! Yeesh! Simply remarkable! I know I will be trashed by the time I reach Detroit this afternoon! I sure as hell could not go out and do a gig!!
Just a couple more hours and we will be heading over to the airport. I am all packed, showered and ready to go. I keep picturing Guido in my mind, holding one of those cardboard signs over his head that reads, "Freeze".... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right!! Well, I guess I am as ready as I can be!!
(Quoting Message by scorpion01 from Monday, July 13, 2009 9:15:37 AM)
scorpion01 wrote:
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. AND WHAT A GLORIOUS DAY IT IS. PRIEST ROCKED MY WORLD LAST NIGHT. THEY WERE ABOSLUTELY ON TOP OF THIE GAME. ALL THE SONGS FROM BRITISH STEEL WERE GREAT INCLUDING MY FAVORITE - YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE OLD TO BE WISE. BUT WERE K.K AND GLENN EVER TIGHT ON THE END OF STEELER. THEY GOT AN OVATION THAT WAS TREMENDOUS. (I'D SAY A STANDING OVATION, BUT AS WE ALL KNOW NO ONS SITS DOWN FROM THE FIRST NOTE OF THE SHOW TO THE LAST ANYAY)
RIPPER AND VICTIM OF CHANGES BLEW ME AWAY. I FELT LIKE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THEM. AFTER SEEING THEM 60 OR 70 TIMES TO STILL GET THAT EXCITEMENT WAS GREAT.
SOME GUY JUMPED ON STAGE AND SANG A FEW MINUTES WITH HALFORD. DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AT ALL TH E SHOWS.
THE AUDIENCE WAS LOUD AND THE PARTICIPATION WAS A LOT OF FUN. SOME SONGS WE SANG MORE THAT ROB.
AT THE END OF THE SHOW THEY STOOD IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE LIKE THEY NORMALLY DO, BUT A LITTLE LONGER. EVERYONE WAS SOING UP TO THE STAGE SHAKING HANDS AND GETTING HI 5S CHANTING PRIEST PREIST PRIEST, THEN THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. THE SMILES ON THEIR FACES WERE GREAT.
ALL IN ALL THEY TRUELY WERE THE METAL GODS LAST NIGHT.
ONLY DRAWBACK OF THE NIGHT. I WANTED TO BUT THE SAD WINGS OF DESTINY T-SHIRT. IT'S A GREAT LOOKING SHIRT. BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A 2 OR 3 XL. I'LL FIND ONE SOME WHERE.
AND MY VOICE IT VERY SCRATCHY TODAY FROM SINGING SO LOUD. OR WITH MY VOICE, SHOULD I SAY ATTEMPTING TO SING?
You probably didnt, but you might see both of them very soon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, July 14, 2009 4:22:43 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning folks
Hey, I think I've seen that guy on America's Most Wanted!!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
BWAAHAAAHAAAAA!!!! Did I disappoint? Hey, anyone seen this guy wondering around DTW?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sounds AWESOME, Scorp!!! Too COOL!! Man, they are really "barnstorming" the States, eh?? Cleveland tomorrow then Detroit on Wednesday. Whew! I cannot even imagine keeping such a schedule! And at their (my) age??!?!!!!!??!?!!!!! Yeesh! Simply remarkable! I know I will be trashed by the time I reach Detroit this afternoon! I sure as hell could not go out and do a gig!!
Just a couple more hours and we will be heading over to the airport. I am all packed, showered and ready to go. I keep picturing Guido in my mind, holding one of those cardboard signs over his head that reads, "Freeze".... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Right!! Well, I guess I am as ready as I can be!!
(Quoting Message by scorpion01 from Monday, July 13, 2009 9:15:37 AM)
scorpion01 wrote:
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. AND WHAT A GLORIOUS DAY IT IS. PRIEST ROCKED MY WORLD LAST NIGHT. THEY WERE ABOSLUTELY ON TOP OF THIE GAME. ALL THE SONGS FROM BRITISH STEEL WERE GREAT INCLUDING MY FAVORITE - YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE OLD TO BE WISE. BUT WERE K.K AND GLENN EVER TIGHT ON THE END OF STEELER. THEY GOT AN OVATION THAT WAS TREMENDOUS. (I'D SAY A STANDING OVATION, BUT AS WE ALL KNOW NO ONS SITS DOWN FROM THE FIRST NOTE OF THE SHOW TO THE LAST ANYAY)
RIPPER AND VICTIM OF CHANGES BLEW ME AWAY. I FELT LIKE IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN THEM. AFTER SEEING THEM 60 OR 70 TIMES TO STILL GET THAT EXCITEMENT WAS GREAT.
SOME GUY JUMPED ON STAGE AND SANG A FEW MINUTES WITH HALFORD. DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS AT ALL TH E SHOWS.
THE AUDIENCE WAS LOUD AND THE PARTICIPATION WAS A LOT OF FUN. SOME SONGS WE SANG MORE THAT ROB.
AT THE END OF THE SHOW THEY STOOD IN FRONT OF THE AUDIENCE LIKE THEY NORMALLY DO, BUT A LITTLE LONGER. EVERYONE WAS SOING UP TO THE STAGE SHAKING HANDS AND GETTING HI 5S CHANTING PRIEST PREIST PRIEST, THEN THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. THE SMILES ON THEIR FACES WERE GREAT.
ALL IN ALL THEY TRUELY WERE THE METAL GODS LAST NIGHT.
ONLY DRAWBACK OF THE NIGHT. I WANTED TO BUT THE SAD WINGS OF DESTINY T-SHIRT. IT'S A GREAT LOOKING SHIRT. BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE A 2 OR 3 XL. I'LL FIND ONE SOME WHERE.
AND MY VOICE IT VERY SCRATCHY TODAY FROM SINGING SO LOUD. OR WITH MY VOICE, SHOULD I SAY ATTEMPTING TO SING?
Ive just recieved mail from the Graphic Arts Academy, telling me that I have passed their entry tests!!!
Now, that is my second choice for college, I still havent got any word from my first choice, but whatever comes... I will be a student in october, and I cant even begin to describe how happy that makes me.
Ugh... Well, I think I pretty much know what point Cohen is trying to get accros here, and thats fine... He should just try to make it more... Funny. IDK, I havent watched the whole film yet, but from the excerpts and TV appearances that Ive seen, it isnt very good... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, July 13, 2009 5:01:03 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Bruno...It was not quite what I expected, but probably should have...laughed (somewhat uncomfortably) throughout the movie!! 3 0f 5 stars
Shoutout from DEEEETROIT! Made it and am waiting on ol' Freeze to arrive tomorrow.
Whatcha think, Ron? Should I take him to MotorCity or Greektown gambling first? Want to make a Las Vegas guy feel at home and there are more casinos here than I can count!
Bang t against a plate, see if you can get the intro to Painkiller right. Beyond that, your guess is as good as mine. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:10:46 PM)
spapad wrote:
I can hold a chicken drumstick properly does that count?
_strat_ wrote:
Could be... If I ever learn how to hold a drumstick properly.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
DAMN!!!!! He's really tall!!!! Could he be the next Scott Travis?
Becks wrote:
Ok, Strat is around 5'11"
Becks wrote:
180cm is slightly above average for a male, Ron. I'll try to convert it for you, LOL! All I know is I am about 162cm tall, which is approx. 5'2".
ronhartsell wrote:
Like any true American, I have no idea how tall that is as we have not adopted the Metric way of life...is that above, at, or below average for your country??
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Im 180 centimeters tall... So no worries there.
ronhartsell wrote:
You know Strat that smoking stunts your growth, right??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, you would know.
Ah, well... Im off for a smoke break... Hell, maybe I will be off for a sleep break... Hell, the head is screwed on wrong today...
ronhartsell wrote:
Did we lose our sense of humor Strat...that usually doesn't happen 'til your at least 25
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Actualy we are talking about ourselves. You see, the presence of twelve year olds is making me feel old.
ronhartsell wrote:
Who you kids calling old farts?? Just because we wear hearing aids in the front row and walk with a cane not because it's cool don't mean nothing!!!
So Im not 6 feet tall? Damn... How short of six feet am I? In inches.
Becks wrote:
Ok, Strat is around 5'11"
Becks wrote:
180cm is slightly above average for a male, Ron. I'll try to convert it for you, LOL! All I know is I am about 162cm tall, which is approx. 5'2".
ronhartsell wrote:
Like any true American, I have no idea how tall that is as we have not adopted the Metric way of life...is that above, at, or below average for your country??
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Im 180 centimeters tall... So no worries there.
ronhartsell wrote:
You know Strat that smoking stunts your growth, right??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, you would know.
Ah, well... Im off for a smoke break... Hell, maybe I will be off for a sleep break... Hell, the head is screwed on wrong today...
ronhartsell wrote:
Did we lose our sense of humor Strat...that usually doesn't happen 'til your at least 25
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Actualy we are talking about ourselves. You see, the presence of twelve year olds is making me feel old.
ronhartsell wrote:
Who you kids calling old farts?? Just because we wear hearing aids in the front row and walk with a cane not because it's cool don't mean nothing!!!
Could be... If I ever learn how to hold a drumstick properly. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:07:07 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
DAMN!!!!! He's really tall!!!! Could he be the next Scott Travis?
Becks wrote:
Ok, Strat is around 5'11"
Becks wrote:
180cm is slightly above average for a male, Ron. I'll try to convert it for you, LOL! All I know is I am about 162cm tall, which is approx. 5'2".
ronhartsell wrote:
Like any true American, I have no idea how tall that is as we have not adopted the Metric way of life...is that above, at, or below average for your country??
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Im 180 centimeters tall... So no worries there.
ronhartsell wrote:
You know Strat that smoking stunts your growth, right??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, you would know.
Ah, well... Im off for a smoke break... Hell, maybe I will be off for a sleep break... Hell, the head is screwed on wrong today...
ronhartsell wrote:
Did we lose our sense of humor Strat...that usually doesn't happen 'til your at least 25
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Actualy we are talking about ourselves. You see, the presence of twelve year olds is making me feel old.
ronhartsell wrote:
Who you kids calling old farts?? Just because we wear hearing aids in the front row and walk with a cane not because it's cool don't mean nothing!!!
So Im not 6 feet tall? Damn... How short of six feet am I? In inches. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, July 12, 2009 6:05:22 PM)
Becks wrote:
Ok, Strat is around 5'11"
Becks wrote:
180cm is slightly above average for a male, Ron. I'll try to convert it for you, LOL! All I know is I am about 162cm tall, which is approx. 5'2".
ronhartsell wrote:
Like any true American, I have no idea how tall that is as we have not adopted the Metric way of life...is that above, at, or below average for your country??
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Im 180 centimeters tall... So no worries there.
ronhartsell wrote:
You know Strat that smoking stunts your growth, right??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, you would know.
Ah, well... Im off for a smoke break... Hell, maybe I will be off for a sleep break... Hell, the head is screwed on wrong today...
ronhartsell wrote:
Did we lose our sense of humor Strat...that usually doesn't happen 'til your at least 25
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Actualy we are talking about ourselves. You see, the presence of twelve year olds is making me feel old.
ronhartsell wrote:
Who you kids calling old farts?? Just because we wear hearing aids in the front row and walk with a cane not because it's cool don't mean nothing!!!
Like any true American, I have no idea how tall that is as we have not adopted the Metric way of life...is that above, at, or below average for your country??
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Im 180 centimeters tall... So no worries there.
ronhartsell wrote:
You know Strat that smoking stunts your growth, right??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, you would know.
Ah, well... Im off for a smoke break... Hell, maybe I will be off for a sleep break... Hell, the head is screwed on wrong today...
ronhartsell wrote:
Did we lose our sense of humor Strat...that usually doesn't happen 'til your at least 25
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Actualy we are talking about ourselves. You see, the presence of twelve year olds is making me feel old.
ronhartsell wrote:
Who you kids calling old farts?? Just because we wear hearing aids in the front row and walk with a cane not because it's cool don't mean nothing!!!
Really? Oh dear... What must it be like for them? Being in each others company... All the time... Maybe theyre immune? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:59:18 PM)
spapad wrote:
I have seen several comments lately that seem to convey the mere presence of Judas Priest is inspiring automatic acute incontinence! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Good thing you told. Because, as I was saying in another thread, Im feeling old, but that is a symptom that I havent experienced yet.
spapad wrote:
Hey, there getting old but incontinent? Not yet!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Exactly!!
Hey, DF!! Don't forget to pack another pair for Guido too.
Becks wrote:
LMAO Vail! Hahahaha yep extra pair of undies will be essential Mr Freeze
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's good!! Just remember to pack an extra pair of underwear. You never know how excited you might get when you see the band come on stage and play Rapid Fire.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am well, my dear! Yes, I am nearly ready to go. Just packing now and thought I would see who is doing what around this place!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hiya, DF!! How are you? Are you ready for your trip to Detroit?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, I really LOVE having my name mentioned over and over but you are going to give me an ego........ HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good thing you told. Because, as I was saying in another thread, Im feeling old, but that is a symptom that I havent experienced yet. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:54:26 PM)
spapad wrote:
Hey, there getting old but incontinent? Not yet!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Exactly!!
Hey, DF!! Don't forget to pack another pair for Guido too.
Becks wrote:
LMAO Vail! Hahahaha yep extra pair of undies will be essential Mr Freeze
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's good!! Just remember to pack an extra pair of underwear. You never know how excited you might get when you see the band come on stage and play Rapid Fire.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am well, my dear! Yes, I am nearly ready to go. Just packing now and thought I would see who is doing what around this place!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hiya, DF!! How are you? Are you ready for your trip to Detroit?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, I really LOVE having my name mentioned over and over but you are going to give me an ego........ HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am well, my dear! Yes, I am nearly ready to go. Just packing now and thought I would see who is doing what around this place!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hiya, DF!! How are you? Are you ready for your trip to Detroit?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, I really LOVE having my name mentioned over and over but you are going to give me an ego........ HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Toss a fistfull of them, and pick. Now what are the chances of them all falling on Iraq?... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:24:46 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
There is a huge globe on the floor of the airport ,, I always wondered what it would be like to flip a coin, see where it lands on the damm thing and just go... LOL With my luck it would land on Iran or Iraq,, LOL So yeas all bets are off, there,,,
Hugs MG~
_strat_ wrote:
No, no, no.... Thats not how I travel. Id probably get to the airport, see the sign and think: "Hey, Ive never been to Sri-Lanka before!" And when Id get there, Id think "Hey, Kenya sounds nice!" and in the end Id have to walk from Peru (stopping at Paors house on the way, of course), visiting Freeze on the way and get to your place. And youd have to lend me money to get back home.
There. Now dont you dare ask me where Im going on my holiday, allright!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
lol... just jump in the lear jet,, youll be here in a few hours.... lmao.
_strat_ wrote:
Garlic? No-o. I dont want to stop sparkling.
Besides I already had my dinner... And by the time Id get to Canada, I might as well join you for the Christmas lunch.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Iam making rigatoni, and fresh garlic butter rolls are you all coming over for dinner or what??? LOL
_strat_ wrote:
You know... Yelling makes some people... Unhappy...
paorcamp wrote:
hello...anybody around??
I'm looking for something to eat...it's lunch time!! Edited at: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:12:58 PM
You know strat, I really LOVE having my name mentioned over and over but you are going to give me an ego........ HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Erm... Im 180 centimeters tall... So no worries there. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:30:30 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
You know Strat that smoking stunts your growth, right??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, you would know.
Ah, well... Im off for a smoke break... Hell, maybe I will be off for a sleep break... Hell, the head is screwed on wrong today...
ronhartsell wrote:
Did we lose our sense of humor Strat...that usually doesn't happen 'til your at least 25
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Actualy we are talking about ourselves. You see, the presence of twelve year olds is making me feel old.
ronhartsell wrote:
Who you kids calling old farts?? Just because we wear hearing aids in the front row and walk with a cane not because it's cool don't mean nothing!!!
I see... Not saying eh? Erm... Well... Id interigate you here, with good cop-bad cop, but Im a bit understaffed... So, if I give you a cigarette, would you yell at yourself? Please?
HA!!! you wouldn't even last an hour walking through this country...well...I'm not saying why...so, don't ask
_strat_ wrote:
No, no, no.... Thats not how I travel. Id probably get to the airport, see the sign and think: "Hey, Ive never been to Sri-Lanka before!" And when Id get there, Id think "Hey, Kenya sounds nice!" and in the end Id have to walk from Peru (stopping at Paors house on the way, of course), visiting Freeze on the way and get to your place. And youd have to lend me money to get back home.
There. Now dont you dare ask me where Im going on my holiday, allright!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
lol... just jump in the lear jet,, youll be here in a few hours.... lmao.
_strat_ wrote:
Garlic? No-o. I dont want to stop sparkling.
Besides I already had my dinner... And by the time Id get to Canada, I might as well join you for the Christmas lunch.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Iam making rigatoni, and fresh garlic butter rolls are you all coming over for dinner or what??? LOL
_strat_ wrote:
You know... Yelling makes some people... Unhappy...
paorcamp wrote:
hello...anybody around??
I'm looking for something to eat...it's lunch time!! Edited at: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:12:58 PM
You know, I believe that in the future we will encounter aliens. I believe that in the future the ice caps will melt. But what I dont believe will ever happen is that we wont be allowed to spank a kid when he deserves it.
Now a drunk twelwe year old is an interesting speciment. Makes me want to have kids just to try it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:06:41 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
The only time a twelve year old can have access to alcohol is if his parents have it easily available. When we become old-timers, we'll have to spank the heck out of those kids, even if that is forbidden.
Hmmm...now I'm wondering how a drunk twelve year old would behave.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, more bad than good is relative. Specialy if someone else is drinking.
Lol, yeah, I know... I guess I know... Were all going to be old farts pretty soon... And these kids of today arent helping either! Alcohol at 12?? I had to wait until 16! On the bright side, I was pretty much tired of it by 19, so I guess my liver are pretty well compared to what his will be like when hes... My age...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, he is a baby amongst the college-age posters and the old-timers here. Plus, he should know by now that drinking alcohol does more bad than good (even if he is in elementary school).
Sorry if I made you feel old Strat, but unfortunately we aren't getting any younger.
_strat_ wrote:
You refering to spelling? IDK, Ive seen worse. Me, at the beginning. HB all the time.
Well, in any case... This stirs up some emotions from my part... I mean, Ive always thought of you, me, Paor, DC and a couple of others as young... Now that youve called someone kid, and he is 12... IDK, makes me feel old. Makes me feel bad about teasing Freeze... For a couple of seconds...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's true, especially since it appears that he's not even in summer school.
_strat_ wrote:
I think that theres an organ a bit higher up in the body thats suffering more...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Kid, I feel bad for your liver!!
Henrich 1 wrote:
12 but i dont give a fuck do i now i drink whiskey scotch and vodka
No, no, no.... Thats not how I travel. Id probably get to the airport, see the sign and think: "Hey, Ive never been to Sri-Lanka before!" And when Id get there, Id think "Hey, Kenya sounds nice!" and in the end Id have to walk from Peru (stopping at Paors house on the way, of course), visiting Freeze on the way and get to your place. And youd have to lend me money to get back home.
There. Now dont you dare ask me where Im going on my holiday, allright! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, July 12, 2009 5:04:10 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
lol... just jump in the lear jet,, youll be here in a few hours.... lmao.
_strat_ wrote:
Garlic? No-o. I dont want to stop sparkling.
Besides I already had my dinner... And by the time Id get to Canada, I might as well join you for the Christmas lunch.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Iam making rigatoni, and fresh garlic butter rolls are you all coming over for dinner or what??? LOL
_strat_ wrote:
You know... Yelling makes some people... Unhappy...
paorcamp wrote:
hello...anybody around??
I'm looking for something to eat...it's lunch time!! Edited at: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:12:58 PM
Besides I already had my dinner... And by the time Id get to Canada, I might as well join you for the Christmas lunch. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:52:22 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Iam making rigatoni, and fresh garlic butter rolls are you all coming over for dinner or what??? LOL
_strat_ wrote:
You know... Yelling makes some people... Unhappy...
paorcamp wrote:
hello...anybody around??
I'm looking for something to eat...it's lunch time!! Edited at: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:12:58 PM
Well, more bad than good is relative. Specialy if someone else is drinking.
Lol, yeah, I know... I guess I know... Were all going to be old farts pretty soon... And these kids of today arent helping either! Alcohol at 12?? I had to wait until 16! On the bright side, I was pretty much tired of it by 19, so I guess my liver are pretty well compared to what his will be like when hes... My age... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:50:34 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, he is a baby amongst the college-age posters and the old-timers here. Plus, he should know by now that drinking alcohol does more bad than good (even if he is in elementary school).
Sorry if I made you feel old Strat, but unfortunately we aren't getting any younger.
_strat_ wrote:
You refering to spelling? IDK, Ive seen worse. Me, at the beginning. HB all the time.
Well, in any case... This stirs up some emotions from my part... I mean, Ive always thought of you, me, Paor, DC and a couple of others as young... Now that youve called someone kid, and he is 12... IDK, makes me feel old. Makes me feel bad about teasing Freeze... For a couple of seconds...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's true, especially since it appears that he's not even in summer school.
_strat_ wrote:
I think that theres an organ a bit higher up in the body thats suffering more...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Kid, I feel bad for your liver!!
Henrich 1 wrote:
12 but i dont give a fuck do i now i drink whiskey scotch and vodka
You refering to spelling? IDK, Ive seen worse. Me, at the beginning. HB all the time.
Well, in any case... This stirs up some emotions from my part... I mean, Ive always thought of you, me, Paor, DC and a couple of others as young... Now that youve called someone kid, and he is 12... IDK, makes me feel old. Makes me feel bad about teasing Freeze... For a couple of seconds... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:37:41 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's true, especially since it appears that he's not even in summer school.
_strat_ wrote:
I think that theres an organ a bit higher up in the body thats suffering more...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Kid, I feel bad for your liver!!
Henrich 1 wrote:
12 but i dont give a fuck do i now i drink whiskey scotch and vodka
I think that theres an organ a bit higher up in the body thats suffering more... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, July 12, 2009 4:32:36 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Kid, I feel bad for your liver!!
Henrich 1 wrote:
12 but i dont give a fuck do i now i drink whiskey scotch and vodka
Veeeery low... There is only one step below that... Rap musicians. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:30:26 PM)
spapad wrote:
HA!!!!! How low does one get to not be trusted with garbage!
_strat_ wrote:
Good point. Tho I wouldnt trust them with my garbage.
spapad wrote:
I don't want to get into the logistics of that profession but perhaps they could find a job in the Sanitary engineer trade. Once called the garbage men. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Absolutely. If theyre so good at sucking... Maybe they should become porn-stars?
spapad wrote:
Perhaps sucking is their talent Strat. God knows, they have no other.
_strat_ wrote:
Hrmph... If nine members could make the band good, than it would all be fine and well. Of course, Slipknot could turn into and orchestra and still suck. Tho, I wouldnt diss them too much - sucking that bad must require a talent of its own.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"Custom Percussion" makes them sound a little too important. HA!!!
Ah, well...if having nine members makes the band thrive, then I guess that's how they'll be for the rest of their existence.
Give me Judas Priest anytime!!
Becks wrote:
Hmmm, according to wiki there's actually TWO guys who play what's called 'custom percussion'. What a waste LOL!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
My oldest nephew is a Slipknot fan. In fact, he once made his own Slipknot mask for Halloween!! Looked like a hockey mask punctured by wooden sticks!!
Why nine members, though?! Why not make the drummer hit the timpani drum and not some random guy??
Becks wrote:
Exactly JP will always be number 1 and school all those try hards out there in real heavy metal.
LMAO I just looked Slipknot up on wiki, it has 9 band members?! No wonder they produce such gigantic piles of poo, when there's so many of them to do it. (LOL Craig just told me there's like 1 guy in the band and all he does is occasionally hit a timpani drum - LMAO WTF).
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hey, look!! It's Hangman!!! Haven't played that game in a long time!
I'm with you on these polls. Everytime we vote, it always looks as though our favorite band is lagging behind the others. It doesn't really matter though, as we know JP can, and always will, school them all.
spapad wrote:
My god, I hate these voting polls, they are never accurate! Slipknot? I shall constuct my own gallows!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It doesn't say anything about voting by phone, but that would be nice.
Hey Becks! I'm guessing the Sipknot forum had a heads-up on this poll before we did. A shame really, if that's true.
spapad wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a way to vote by phone? Would up the count!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I haven't been able to vote again... the website won't let me.
ronhartsell wrote:
I voted yesterday as well...can you vote more than once??
Jeanine wrote:
Please be so kind to vote for the best guitar duo in history:
Good point. Tho I wouldnt trust them with my garbage. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:23:58 PM)
spapad wrote:
I don't want to get into the logistics of that profession but perhaps they could find a job in the Sanitary engineer trade. Once called the garbage men. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Absolutely. If theyre so good at sucking... Maybe they should become porn-stars?
spapad wrote:
Perhaps sucking is their talent Strat. God knows, they have no other.
_strat_ wrote:
Hrmph... If nine members could make the band good, than it would all be fine and well. Of course, Slipknot could turn into and orchestra and still suck. Tho, I wouldnt diss them too much - sucking that bad must require a talent of its own.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"Custom Percussion" makes them sound a little too important. HA!!!
Ah, well...if having nine members makes the band thrive, then I guess that's how they'll be for the rest of their existence.
Give me Judas Priest anytime!!
Becks wrote:
Hmmm, according to wiki there's actually TWO guys who play what's called 'custom percussion'. What a waste LOL!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
My oldest nephew is a Slipknot fan. In fact, he once made his own Slipknot mask for Halloween!! Looked like a hockey mask punctured by wooden sticks!!
Why nine members, though?! Why not make the drummer hit the timpani drum and not some random guy??
Becks wrote:
Exactly JP will always be number 1 and school all those try hards out there in real heavy metal.
LMAO I just looked Slipknot up on wiki, it has 9 band members?! No wonder they produce such gigantic piles of poo, when there's so many of them to do it. (LOL Craig just told me there's like 1 guy in the band and all he does is occasionally hit a timpani drum - LMAO WTF).
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hey, look!! It's Hangman!!! Haven't played that game in a long time!
I'm with you on these polls. Everytime we vote, it always looks as though our favorite band is lagging behind the others. It doesn't really matter though, as we know JP can, and always will, school them all.
spapad wrote:
My god, I hate these voting polls, they are never accurate! Slipknot? I shall constuct my own gallows!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It doesn't say anything about voting by phone, but that would be nice.
Hey Becks! I'm guessing the Sipknot forum had a heads-up on this poll before we did. A shame really, if that's true.
spapad wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a way to vote by phone? Would up the count!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I haven't been able to vote again... the website won't let me.
ronhartsell wrote:
I voted yesterday as well...can you vote more than once??
Jeanine wrote:
Please be so kind to vote for the best guitar duo in history:
Yup. I saw it on National Geographic. One of those shows that explains amazing structures and how they were built.
Basicaly, they put it on top of a cliff where the slope is very steep. Now, I dont know if the entire platform is glass, but some of it certainly is...
I would go on it... IDK exactly how high it is, but if I made it through the Alps on my way to Germany... Well, if nothing else, I have at least some experience... Lol... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:19:19 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Holy crap!! They built a glass platform there?!? Heck, I wouldn't even set foot onto that thing!! I would just walk down to the bottom, or maybe get there by donkey or mule.
_strat_ wrote:
I just looked back on those pics you mentioned, and it really looks cool... Very breathtaking indeed.
Yup, a steam train sounds nice, tho what I would probably consider is that platform thingy I saw on TV. Aparently, they built a glass platform over the edge of the cliff, so you can walk over the edge of it, and see straight down into the abyss... Must remember to pack some dipers, if I ever go there.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hey Strat!
I've been to the Grand Canyon about seven years ago. I posted pics of it in this thread a while back. My family and I went there during the summer, so it was very hot. We stayed in a small village nearby and got to the canyon itself by train (an old steam train, that is). If you love breathtaking desert scenery, then that's the place to go. One might even say that it looks like something out of one of those classic cowboy movies. The "hole in the ground", as many like to call it, extends for miles and you can see alot of rock layers! There are tours where you could go all the way to the bottom of the canyon, although I heard that they are pretty expensive. You can also go river rafting in the Colorado River, which is at the bottom of the canyon. We simply walked along the ledge of the canyon, taking in the scenery.
Glad you're considering it, though. It's a great place to do some sight-seeing! I'm hoping to go back someday.
_strat_ wrote:
Great pics Guido! Too bad theres no seagulls...
Anyway, Canada is now definately on my list of countries that Id like to visit... And hopefully will.
That said, anyone been to the Grand Canyon? Not Canada, I know, but Id like to hear more about that too.
Absolutely. If theyre so good at sucking... Maybe they should become porn-stars? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:18:33 PM)
spapad wrote:
Perhaps sucking is their talent Strat. God knows, they have no other.
_strat_ wrote:
Hrmph... If nine members could make the band good, than it would all be fine and well. Of course, Slipknot could turn into and orchestra and still suck. Tho, I wouldnt diss them too much - sucking that bad must require a talent of its own.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"Custom Percussion" makes them sound a little too important. HA!!!
Ah, well...if having nine members makes the band thrive, then I guess that's how they'll be for the rest of their existence.
Give me Judas Priest anytime!!
Becks wrote:
Hmmm, according to wiki there's actually TWO guys who play what's called 'custom percussion'. What a waste LOL!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
My oldest nephew is a Slipknot fan. In fact, he once made his own Slipknot mask for Halloween!! Looked like a hockey mask punctured by wooden sticks!!
Why nine members, though?! Why not make the drummer hit the timpani drum and not some random guy??
Becks wrote:
Exactly JP will always be number 1 and school all those try hards out there in real heavy metal.
LMAO I just looked Slipknot up on wiki, it has 9 band members?! No wonder they produce such gigantic piles of poo, when there's so many of them to do it. (LOL Craig just told me there's like 1 guy in the band and all he does is occasionally hit a timpani drum - LMAO WTF).
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hey, look!! It's Hangman!!! Haven't played that game in a long time!
I'm with you on these polls. Everytime we vote, it always looks as though our favorite band is lagging behind the others. It doesn't really matter though, as we know JP can, and always will, school them all.
spapad wrote:
My god, I hate these voting polls, they are never accurate! Slipknot? I shall constuct my own gallows!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It doesn't say anything about voting by phone, but that would be nice.
Hey Becks! I'm guessing the Sipknot forum had a heads-up on this poll before we did. A shame really, if that's true.
spapad wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a way to vote by phone? Would up the count!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I haven't been able to vote again... the website won't let me.
ronhartsell wrote:
I voted yesterday as well...can you vote more than once??
Jeanine wrote:
Please be so kind to vote for the best guitar duo in history:
Hrmph... If nine members could make the band good, than it would all be fine and well. Of course, Slipknot could turn into and orchestra and still suck. Tho, I wouldnt diss them too much - sucking that bad must require a talent of its own. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, July 11, 2009 5:08:52 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
"Custom Percussion" makes them sound a little too important. HA!!!
Ah, well...if having nine members makes the band thrive, then I guess that's how they'll be for the rest of their existence.
Give me Judas Priest anytime!!
Becks wrote:
Hmmm, according to wiki there's actually TWO guys who play what's called 'custom percussion'. What a waste LOL!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
My oldest nephew is a Slipknot fan. In fact, he once made his own Slipknot mask for Halloween!! Looked like a hockey mask punctured by wooden sticks!!
Why nine members, though?! Why not make the drummer hit the timpani drum and not some random guy??
Becks wrote:
Exactly JP will always be number 1 and school all those try hards out there in real heavy metal.
LMAO I just looked Slipknot up on wiki, it has 9 band members?! No wonder they produce such gigantic piles of poo, when there's so many of them to do it. (LOL Craig just told me there's like 1 guy in the band and all he does is occasionally hit a timpani drum - LMAO WTF).
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hey, look!! It's Hangman!!! Haven't played that game in a long time!
I'm with you on these polls. Everytime we vote, it always looks as though our favorite band is lagging behind the others. It doesn't really matter though, as we know JP can, and always will, school them all.
spapad wrote:
My god, I hate these voting polls, they are never accurate! Slipknot? I shall constuct my own gallows!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It doesn't say anything about voting by phone, but that would be nice.
Hey Becks! I'm guessing the Sipknot forum had a heads-up on this poll before we did. A shame really, if that's true.
spapad wrote:
Does anyone know if there is a way to vote by phone? Would up the count!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I haven't been able to vote again... the website won't let me.
ronhartsell wrote:
I voted yesterday as well...can you vote more than once??
Jeanine wrote:
Please be so kind to vote for the best guitar duo in history:
I just looked back on those pics you mentioned, and it really looks cool... Very breathtaking indeed.
Yup, a steam train sounds nice, tho what I would probably consider is that platform thingy I saw on TV. Aparently, they built a glass platform over the edge of the cliff, so you can walk over the edge of it, and see straight down into the abyss... Must remember to pack some dipers, if I ever go there.
I've been to the Grand Canyon about seven years ago. I posted pics of it in this thread a while back. My family and I went there during the summer, so it was very hot. We stayed in a small village nearby and got to the canyon itself by train (an old steam train, that is). If you love breathtaking desert scenery, then that's the place to go. One might even say that it looks like something out of one of those classic cowboy movies. The "hole in the ground", as many like to call it, extends for miles and you can see alot of rock layers! There are tours where you could go all the way to the bottom of the canyon, although I heard that they are pretty expensive. You can also go river rafting in the Colorado River, which is at the bottom of the canyon. We simply walked along the ledge of the canyon, taking in the scenery.
Glad you're considering it, though. It's a great place to do some sight-seeing! I'm hoping to go back someday.
_strat_ wrote:
Great pics Guido! Too bad theres no seagulls...
Anyway, Canada is now definately on my list of countries that Id like to visit... And hopefully will.
That said, anyone been to the Grand Canyon? Not Canada, I know, but Id like to hear more about that too.
Well, the bands are Lord Lucifer and Hiroshima... Dont know about the band member, but ill make a guess... Glenn? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, July 10, 2009 5:33:19 PM)
Becks wrote:
Yay me!!! Right, I'll try to think of a question................nice and easy me thinks!
Name 2 bands that Rob was in prior to his joining Judas Priest. Also, who did he take with him from one of the bands when he joined JP?
spapad wrote:
Correct Becks!
Becks wrote:
Rob and Ian.
spapad wrote:
What two band members where once "Abandoned on a snowy night" While members walked down to the local bar, got drunk and stayed at that bar for the night. According to here say and a "Spinal TAP" Moment. LOL
Heavy shit going on here... Rained hard for all day since yesterday, light floods, and apparently even a fatality. Summers just arent what they used to be...
Then again... The last part of my college entry exams is tomorrow, and Im looking forward to be done with it.
As for Michael, I guess I am one of the few people alive that didnt know about the funeral, until 2 hours ago... Sorry, but watching a funeral live on TV just isnt my idea of entertainment.
Really? Well, another stereotype, I guess... Tho by statistics I saw somewhere, you have a lot less deaths in traffic, at least compared to us...
The one place I was really surprised was Germany. Really, so disciplined you couldnt believe it. Three lane highway, and you had it all worked out: the slow drivers on the far right lane, the normal ones in the middle, and the really fast ones on the left lane (really fast ones - Germany doesnt have a speed limit on the highways, so they go 150km/h and more). Or parking. Wrong parking in Munich? Havent seen it. The Police? Havent seen any of them either. Yet all seems to be working.
I havent noticed that, although some places are beter than others. Here, I swear drivers licences come out of a box of crackerjacks. LA I thought had good drivers, Toronto was hit and miss. mostly its highway driving here, which if you cant manage to stay on one bloody road with no stops, well you roll the car in the ditch, die, and hopefully produce no offspring to pass on your sorry skills to.
_strat_ wrote:
Really? Over here, thats the monopoly of cars with Driving school markings... Although, there are pensioners who do that too. Usualy the ones that drive an ancient Yugo, that hasnt seen the inside of a car mechanics workshop for at least ten years, and probably hasnt been properly registered for twice that long... And they drive maybe once or twice a year anyway...
But add some alcohol (always easy here) and they turn into Mad Max.
IDK, but I heard that North America has a very good driving discipline? Or are the pensioners the only anomaly?
Head banger wrote:
at least your pensioners know where the gas pedal is. here they go 30 in a 100 zone, and stop at red lights, green lights, stop signs and merge signs.
_strat_ wrote:
Sarcasm? O yeah, Im sooo, sarcastic...
Anyway... I actualy pity the future generations... Demographics, the population is getting older... By the time I retire, young people will have to deal with at least twice as many pensioners as we do today... Lol... Cant wait...
Oh, and I havent even started on old people driving yet... "Speed limits? Red lights? Stop signs? No, no, no... They are not rules. They are guidelines. Besides, I worked for thirty years, and no youngster will go around telling me that I shouldnt drive 100km/h through a dense urban area... At rush hour... Through red lights... Drunk..."
spapad wrote:
Strat, you always kill me with your sarcasim! That's why I love ya kiddo! HA!!!
Head banger wrote:
good luck with that.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Pensioners piss me off... On the other hand, I cant wait to be one. Heres what I will do when I retire, based on my observations:
1. Annoy people by pretending I am deaf.
2. Not bathe for a week, then take the bus at rush hours.
3. When I am in a bank or a post office, I will make sure that I have a long talk with the clerk about the weather, but only if there is a very long line behind me.
4. I will go to a supermarket, buy a ton of stuff, go to the 5 products max line, and argue for at least half an hour if they try to turn me down.
5. Cross the street at red, and show obscene gestures at anyone that would dare to say anything to me.
6. Annoy young people by saying how in my days, we respected old people, even tho thats the mother of all lies.
Really? Over here, thats the monopoly of cars with Driving school markings... Although, there are pensioners who do that too. Usualy the ones that drive an ancient Yugo, that hasnt seen the inside of a car mechanics workshop for at least ten years, and probably hasnt been properly registered for twice that long... And they drive maybe once or twice a year anyway...
But add some alcohol (always easy here) and they turn into Mad Max.
IDK, but I heard that North America has a very good driving discipline? Or are the pensioners the only anomaly?
at least your pensioners know where the gas pedal is. here they go 30 in a 100 zone, and stop at red lights, green lights, stop signs and merge signs.
_strat_ wrote:
Sarcasm? O yeah, Im sooo, sarcastic...
Anyway... I actualy pity the future generations... Demographics, the population is getting older... By the time I retire, young people will have to deal with at least twice as many pensioners as we do today... Lol... Cant wait...
Oh, and I havent even started on old people driving yet... "Speed limits? Red lights? Stop signs? No, no, no... They are not rules. They are guidelines. Besides, I worked for thirty years, and no youngster will go around telling me that I shouldnt drive 100km/h through a dense urban area... At rush hour... Through red lights... Drunk..."
spapad wrote:
Strat, you always kill me with your sarcasim! That's why I love ya kiddo! HA!!!
Head banger wrote:
good luck with that.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Pensioners piss me off... On the other hand, I cant wait to be one. Heres what I will do when I retire, based on my observations:
1. Annoy people by pretending I am deaf.
2. Not bathe for a week, then take the bus at rush hours.
3. When I am in a bank or a post office, I will make sure that I have a long talk with the clerk about the weather, but only if there is a very long line behind me.
4. I will go to a supermarket, buy a ton of stuff, go to the 5 products max line, and argue for at least half an hour if they try to turn me down.
5. Cross the street at red, and show obscene gestures at anyone that would dare to say anything to me.
6. Annoy young people by saying how in my days, we respected old people, even tho thats the mother of all lies.
Anyway... I actualy pity the future generations... Demographics, the population is getting older... By the time I retire, young people will have to deal with at least twice as many pensioners as we do today... Lol... Cant wait...
Oh, and I havent even started on old people driving yet... "Speed limits? Red lights? Stop signs? No, no, no... They are not rules. They are guidelines. Besides, I worked for thirty years, and no youngster will go around telling me that I shouldnt drive 100km/h through a dense urban area... At rush hour... Through red lights... Drunk..." [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, July 05, 2009 8:55:41 PM)
spapad wrote:
Strat, you always kill me with your sarcasim! That's why I love ya kiddo! HA!!!
Head banger wrote:
good luck with that.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Pensioners piss me off... On the other hand, I cant wait to be one. Heres what I will do when I retire, based on my observations:
1. Annoy people by pretending I am deaf.
2. Not bathe for a week, then take the bus at rush hours.
3. When I am in a bank or a post office, I will make sure that I have a long talk with the clerk about the weather, but only if there is a very long line behind me.
4. I will go to a supermarket, buy a ton of stuff, go to the 5 products max line, and argue for at least half an hour if they try to turn me down.
5. Cross the street at red, and show obscene gestures at anyone that would dare to say anything to me.
6. Annoy young people by saying how in my days, we respected old people, even tho thats the mother of all lies.
Ok... Pensioners piss me off... On the other hand, I cant wait to be one. Heres what I will do when I retire, based on my observations:
1. Annoy people by pretending I am deaf.
2. Not bathe for a week, then take the bus at rush hours.
3. When I am in a bank or a post office, I will make sure that I have a long talk with the clerk about the weather, but only if there is a very long line behind me.
4. I will go to a supermarket, buy a ton of stuff, go to the 5 products max line, and argue for at least half an hour if they try to turn me down.
5. Cross the street at red, and show obscene gestures at anyone that would dare to say anything to me.
6. Annoy young people by saying how in my days, we respected old people, even tho thats the mother of all lies.
Nope, not on a holiday... Wish it was a holiday, but no... I had entry exams (or whatever you want to call them... the thing you ahve to pass to get admitted on a college) for the last three days, and I will have more next week... So I wont be around much till friday. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, July 05, 2009 12:55:15 AM)
spapad wrote:
Where the hell is Strat? 3 days and nothing! So unlike him! On Holiday possilbly! I miss your smartass comments! LOL
Ahhhh! Perfect! Simple answer to a simple question!
Thanks!
_strat_ wrote:
One word Guido, one word... Puberty.
guidogodoy wrote:
I am curious to know when all these kids have the "dumb gene" kick in? I swear, everyone I know has children that are in advanced classes, read at a college level and are of stellar good looks.
Not picking on anyone here rather I am thinking of my own sister who says the exact same things about my nephews. I wonder, then, why aren't we smarter as a whole? Quite the contrary, people are getting dumber as proven by general aptitude tests. I guarantee the generations who came before us thought the same about our own "dumbing down" of society. Perhaps we are lowering standards? Anything above mediocre is now "excellent?" You are hearing this from someone who chose not to have kids? Nah! Couldn't be! HAAA!
One word Guido, one word... Puberty. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, June 29, 2009 6:08:09 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I am curious to know when all these kids have the "dumb gene" kick in? I swear, everyone I know has children that are in advanced classes, read at a college level and are of stellar good looks.
Not picking on anyone here rather I am thinking of my own sister who says the exact same things about my nephews. I wonder, then, why aren't we smarter as a whole? Quite the contrary, people are getting dumber as proven by general aptitude tests. I guarantee the generations who came before us thought the same about our own "dumbing down" of society. Perhaps we are lowering standards? Anything above mediocre is now "excellent?" You are hearing this from someone who chose not to have kids? Nah! Couldn't be! HAAA!
No problem, no problem... Lol... I like to root for those that have at least some chances of winning... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Monday, June 29, 2009 5:38:19 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
You're welcome, my friend!!
_strat_ wrote:
Congrats! Looks like your boys really demolished them.
I dont watch the U-21, but I will be watching the World Cup next year and as always... If we fail, I root for Germany.
Ehem... I think that this thread deserves this masterpiece of Lennon...
I am the Walrus
The story behind the nonsensical lyrics:
John found out that many of their songs are being analised for subliminal messages and hidden lyrics. His response was to write a song with lyrics that dont make any sense whatsoever. Supposedly he said "Let the fuckers figure this one out!" after he wrote it. He was also on LSD, which explains the video, I guess.
Congrats! Looks like your boys really demolished them.
I dont watch the U-21, but I will be watching the World Cup next year and as always... If we fail, I root for Germany. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Monday, June 29, 2009 3:37:24 PM)
IDK, I just dont get why people do this. Keep albums nice and sealed, and god forbid anyone touching them, or (the horror!!!) even listening to them... My opinion is known: I would seal them in cardboard. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:54:27 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah hellrider...and strat...I saw this album at a second hand record store around 1992ish....and they wanted $900.00 bucks for it because there were some scruffs on the corners of the album,and may had a few more marks on it and it was not sealed! For an unopened album in mint condition all the way around would be about 5 "thousand" bucks! Freaking crazy!
(Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Saturday, June 27, 2009 3:45:40 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
lol.J.D DIAMOND THY COOOOMMMMMMMMAAAANNNNDDDDEEEERRRR looks more like a canibal corpse cover.lol
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
The Beatles Yesterday And Today original album cover 1966!
I am not a huge fan of "The Beatles" but they have my "respect" as pioneers of traditional rock and roll.
This contraversial cover art for the Yesterday And Today album spun the heads of uptight individuals from back in the day!!
I'm not going to give you an opinion on "the worst Beatle" here....but I am going to post this album photo here.
And if I remember right, I was a jester a looong time ago. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:59:22 PM)
spapad wrote:
I Nominate you for official Court Jester! LOL YEAH!!!
_strat_ wrote:
No problem. All you need to do is to democraticaly elect me as the Supreme Ruler for Life, and its done.
guitardude wrote:
Perhaps it`s time to put all this hostility aside Strat. Maybe it`s time for a New World Order !!
_strat_ wrote:
Wait... Youve been trying to torch me for a long time...
Ron, dont fall for the soft words. Hes trying to convert you, but then he will throw you away when he is bored with you!
guitardude wrote:
That would be good then, wouldn`t want a fellow Priest fan to torch themselves, Foe of Kmac or not!!
ronhartsell wrote:
No such luck...........
guitardude wrote:
Let him fire away, with all that brush , he`ll just catch himself on fire, then we can party!!
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Ive only got a question. Could you grow some meat? I mean, it will be hard for Ron too shoot you, if theres nothing but bones on you...
guitardude wrote:
Ohhhh! That was cold!! I`m from the south, got something to say to me big fella?
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Youre in! Your first order: take out Guido!
Shouldnt be too hard... Just wear lots of camouflage - you will fit right in with the hillbillies.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, I would not want to be an officer, they don't get their purdy little hands dirty...I've got to be in a tree or in the tall grass looking through my infra-red scope zeroing in on my target when they least expect ,e...shhhhhhhhhh..........
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK... Ron, did you have a rank? Because if you join me, you will be a private. I wont have my officers wearing silly brown clothes and being unable to pronounce "r".
guidogodoy wrote:
Depends...that you holding the gun or on the other side.
Either way, you might be a good candidate to fight on Strat's side. LOL!!
Yeah, too bad. IMO, they should have gone a bit further in the first half, and go to 3 -0. They had the momentum for it, and a difference of three goals is usualy what it takes to completely demolish the opponents morale.
Anyway, the American team can be proud of what they achieved in this cup. Not many teams can say that they won against Spain, and held their own against Brazil. I certainly hope they will do well on the world cup next year. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 28, 2009 3:53:21 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Too bad. Watched the whole thing. Amazing upset over Spain and I thought they were on their way here against Brazil. Not to be...
Still, win win situation for me. I am, obviously, a huge fan of Brazil.
_strat_ wrote:
Wow. I dont know what you Americans do to your football players, but whatever it is, it sure is working. Finals against Brazil in the confederations cup, the US is ahead 2-0... And the first half isnt even over yet. Damit, this wont end well for the Brazilians. Their game is falling apart, and the Americans are dominating the field. Good, because Im soo rooting for them.
Wow. I dont know what you Americans do to your football players, but whatever it is, it sure is working. Finals against Brazil in the confederations cup, the US is ahead 2-0... And the first half isnt even over yet. Damit, this wont end well for the Brazilians. Their game is falling apart, and the Americans are dominating the field. Good, because Im soo rooting for them.
No problem. All you need to do is to democraticaly elect me as the Supreme Ruler for Life, and its done. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, June 27, 2009 5:17:33 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Perhaps it`s time to put all this hostility aside Strat. Maybe it`s time for a New World Order !!
_strat_ wrote:
Wait... Youve been trying to torch me for a long time...
Ron, dont fall for the soft words. Hes trying to convert you, but then he will throw you away when he is bored with you!
guitardude wrote:
That would be good then, wouldn`t want a fellow Priest fan to torch themselves, Foe of Kmac or not!!
ronhartsell wrote:
No such luck...........
guitardude wrote:
Let him fire away, with all that brush , he`ll just catch himself on fire, then we can party!!
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Ive only got a question. Could you grow some meat? I mean, it will be hard for Ron too shoot you, if theres nothing but bones on you...
guitardude wrote:
Ohhhh! That was cold!! I`m from the south, got something to say to me big fella?
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Youre in! Your first order: take out Guido!
Shouldnt be too hard... Just wear lots of camouflage - you will fit right in with the hillbillies.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, I would not want to be an officer, they don't get their purdy little hands dirty...I've got to be in a tree or in the tall grass looking through my infra-red scope zeroing in on my target when they least expect ,e...shhhhhhhhhh..........
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK... Ron, did you have a rank? Because if you join me, you will be a private. I wont have my officers wearing silly brown clothes and being unable to pronounce "r".
guidogodoy wrote:
Depends...that you holding the gun or on the other side.
Either way, you might be a good candidate to fight on Strat's side. LOL!!
Wait... Youve been trying to torch me for a long time...
Ron, dont fall for the soft words. Hes trying to convert you, but then he will throw you away when he is bored with you! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, June 27, 2009 10:56:18 AM)
guitardude wrote:
That would be good then, wouldn`t want a fellow Priest fan to torch themselves, Foe of Kmac or not!!
ronhartsell wrote:
No such luck...........
guitardude wrote:
Let him fire away, with all that brush , he`ll just catch himself on fire, then we can party!!
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... Ive only got a question. Could you grow some meat? I mean, it will be hard for Ron too shoot you, if theres nothing but bones on you...
guitardude wrote:
Ohhhh! That was cold!! I`m from the south, got something to say to me big fella?
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Youre in! Your first order: take out Guido!
Shouldnt be too hard... Just wear lots of camouflage - you will fit right in with the hillbillies.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, I would not want to be an officer, they don't get their purdy little hands dirty...I've got to be in a tree or in the tall grass looking through my infra-red scope zeroing in on my target when they least expect ,e...shhhhhhhhhh..........
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK... Ron, did you have a rank? Because if you join me, you will be a private. I wont have my officers wearing silly brown clothes and being unable to pronounce "r".
guidogodoy wrote:
Depends...that you holding the gun or on the other side.
Either way, you might be a good candidate to fight on Strat's side. LOL!!
Wow! Thats something Id expect from Cannibal Corpse. No wonder they had to revise it... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, June 26, 2009 5:37:10 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
The Beatles Yesterday And Today original album cover 1966!
I am not a huge fan of "The Beatles" but they have my "respect" as pioneers of traditional rock and roll.
This contraversial cover art for the Yesterday And Today album spun the heads of uptight individuals from back in the day!!
I'm not going to give you an opinion on "the worst Beatle" here....but I am going to post this album photo here.
Great! I take it Guido is no more? Well... Jump the pond and deal with Kmac!
I will go and have some lunch. See you all later!
ronhartsell wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Youre in! Your first order: take out Guido!
Shouldnt be too hard... Just wear lots of camouflage - you will fit right in with the hillbillies.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, I would not want to be an officer, they don't get their purdy little hands dirty...I've got to be in a tree or in the tall grass looking through my infra-red scope zeroing in on my target when they least expect ,e...shhhhhhhhhh..........
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK... Ron, did you have a rank? Because if you join me, you will be a private. I wont have my officers wearing silly brown clothes and being unable to pronounce "r".
guidogodoy wrote:
Depends...that you holding the gun or on the other side.
Either way, you might be a good candidate to fight on Strat's side. LOL!!
Caveman? Well... He does look like one. His nose is so big, you could use one nostril as an apartment, and the other as the garage... I havent seen that movie, tho.
I did see A hard days night. He was ok in that one... Although Pauls grandfather was the star of it, imo.
IDK, for me Ringo was always that weird guy in the back playing the drums. Nothing against him, but no reason to love him in particular either... Besides, I think Pete Best was the best Beatles drummer... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, June 26, 2009 9:13:47 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
You leaving Ringo off for some reason? Oh wait...he did the movie "Caveman"
"zug zug Lana!"
_strat_ wrote:
My pick for the worst Beatle - Paul. No contest here. Ive always been a big Lennon fan, and I like a lot of Harrisons stuff too.
IMO, it was after the Beatles that it really showed who was the best musician. John made great music, so did Harrison. Paul never did anything good on his own, and what he did, I cant help but to think that he was always playing the Former Beatle card in his solo career.
Great! I take it Guido is no more? Well... Jump the pond and deal with Kmac!
I will go and have some lunch. See you all later! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:23:41 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Youre in! Your first order: take out Guido!
Shouldnt be too hard... Just wear lots of camouflage - you will fit right in with the hillbillies.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, I would not want to be an officer, they don't get their purdy little hands dirty...I've got to be in a tree or in the tall grass looking through my infra-red scope zeroing in on my target when they least expect ,e...shhhhhhhhhh..........
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK... Ron, did you have a rank? Because if you join me, you will be a private. I wont have my officers wearing silly brown clothes and being unable to pronounce "r".
guidogodoy wrote:
Depends...that you holding the gun or on the other side.
Either way, you might be a good candidate to fight on Strat's side. LOL!!
Erm... Ive only got a question. Could you grow some meat? I mean, it will be hard for Ron too shoot you, if theres nothing but bones on you... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Thursday, June 25, 2009 5:07:17 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Ohhhh! That was cold!! I`m from the south, got something to say to me big fella?
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Youre in! Your first order: take out Guido!
Shouldnt be too hard... Just wear lots of camouflage - you will fit right in with the hillbillies.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, I would not want to be an officer, they don't get their purdy little hands dirty...I've got to be in a tree or in the tall grass looking through my infra-red scope zeroing in on my target when they least expect ,e...shhhhhhhhhh..........
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK... Ron, did you have a rank? Because if you join me, you will be a private. I wont have my officers wearing silly brown clothes and being unable to pronounce "r".
guidogodoy wrote:
Depends...that you holding the gun or on the other side.
Either way, you might be a good candidate to fight on Strat's side. LOL!!
My pick for the worst Beatle - Paul. No contest here. Ive always been a big Lennon fan, and I like a lot of Harrisons stuff too.
IMO, it was after the Beatles that it really showed who was the best musician. John made great music, so did Harrison. Paul never did anything good on his own, and what he did, I cant help but to think that he was always playing the Former Beatle card in his solo career.
Well, what can I say... I never liked any of his music, but still... The guy was an icon, there can be no doubt about that. So, RIP. Pop music has lost a big name yesterday. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by pip from Friday, June 26, 2009 5:51:26 AM)
pip wrote:
MTV & VH1 are playing Michael Jackson & the Jackson Brothers videos --suspect it will be all day
My favorite Michael Jackson video was Thriller--zombies are right up my alley & Vincent Price --my favorite actor of all time did the speaking part
You might want to think about that last statement...
In any case, too bad you guys dont watch it. Your team did really well. The spirit that they had was unbeliavable. I mean, they were the outsiders, Spain is the running European champion, and in general a football superpower, with one of the best leagues in the world. Now, our team, they would shit their pants. Whenever they play against a big team (or a team with a big name), they always piss themselves, accept the title of the outsider, and generaly lose the game before they even set foot on the field. Yours didnt. They came there as outsiders, walked on to the field as boldly as you please, and played their hearts out. It was really a joy to watch them. Heres hoping they do well in the finals against Brazil. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, June 25, 2009 9:42:23 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm....we LOVE football! Just not SOCCER!!!!!!! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Wow! US won 2-0 in the end, and will be playing in the finals against South Africa or Brazil (hoping its South Africa, but it will probably be Brazil). Well, for a nation that doesnt like football very much, they sure know how to play it!
_strat_ wrote:
Confederations cup semi finals... USA 1:0 Spain, at halftime. I must say, Im rooting for the US. The are playing absolutely great, with an effort I havent seen for a long while.
Wow! US won 2-0 in the end, and will be playing in the finals against South Africa or Brazil (hoping its South Africa, but it will probably be Brazil). Well, for a nation that doesnt like football very much, they sure know how to play it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:23:04 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Confederations cup semi finals... USA 1:0 Spain, at halftime. I must say, Im rooting for the US. The are playing absolutely great, with an effort I havent seen for a long while.
Great! Youre in! Your first order: take out Guido!
Shouldnt be too hard... Just wear lots of camouflage - you will fit right in with the hillbillies. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:50:42 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, I would not want to be an officer, they don't get their purdy little hands dirty...I've got to be in a tree or in the tall grass looking through my infra-red scope zeroing in on my target when they least expect ,e...shhhhhhhhhh..........
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK... Ron, did you have a rank? Because if you join me, you will be a private. I wont have my officers wearing silly brown clothes and being unable to pronounce "r".
guidogodoy wrote:
Depends...that you holding the gun or on the other side.
Either way, you might be a good candidate to fight on Strat's side. LOL!!
Confederations cup semi finals... USA 1:0 Spain, at halftime. I must say, Im rooting for the US. The are playing absolutely great, with an effort I havent seen for a long while.
Pfff!!! Let em complain!!! If it tastes good, I am killin it and eatin it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Yup. I support it every day. Did it today as well. The cow had no complaints over my cooking skills. Which is not to say that I didnt have any complaints, but thats another story...
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now THAT I will support!!!!!!!! HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Seals dancing??? Then again, you do live in Vegas...
In any case... This may just be for you Freeze! And me, but you seem to be more keen on it:
Pff! PETA! BAH!! Greenpeace, PETA, REcyclers..all a bunch of tree-hugging FREAKS!!! And what the hell is wrong with clubbing seals???? Seals have rights, too!! I mean, what gives ANY of us the right to say what a seal should do with its evening hours???? If they want to dance the night away in a club, more power to 'em............................
That pics no good, Im afraid... It has to be really up close, so you can see the goo in all the detail... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Tuesday, June 23, 2009 9:17:03 AM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LMAO STRAT......... Should I do the cucumbers on my eyes too.... hhehehehe..
With my luck they would post it over at the Steel mill and I would here about FOREVER!! those guys over there bunch of joksters.
This is not mee.... But I thought it approp... LOL
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, June 22, 2009 5:29:39 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Warn me in advance, will you?
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL I use a face mask once a week it turns Bright green,, I was going to post a pic of that and call it the Green Manalishi hehehe I just may do it some day... lol
LOST LOVE wrote:
I might post some pic. of me without makeup. If youall dont get to scard or laugh.
Lmao... Yup. I support it every day. Did it today as well. The cow had no complaints over my cooking skills. Which is not to say that I didnt have any complaints, but thats another story... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:43:40 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now THAT I will support!!!!!!!! HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Seals dancing??? Then again, you do live in Vegas...
In any case... This may just be for you Freeze! And me, but you seem to be more keen on it:
Pff! PETA! BAH!! Greenpeace, PETA, REcyclers..all a bunch of tree-hugging FREAKS!!! And what the hell is wrong with clubbing seals???? Seals have rights, too!! I mean, what gives ANY of us the right to say what a seal should do with its evening hours???? If they want to dance the night away in a club, more power to 'em............................
Ever wondered what PETA really stands for? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, June 23, 2009 4:15:17 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Pff! PETA! BAH!! Greenpeace, PETA, REcyclers..all a bunch of tree-hugging FREAKS!!! And what the hell is wrong with clubbing seals???? Seals have rights, too!! I mean, what gives ANY of us the right to say what a seal should do with its evening hours???? If they want to dance the night away in a club, more power to 'em............................
Aha... I see... So, youre somewhere in between then, eh? Young by heart? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, June 22, 2009 6:06:43 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Hey, let's not get crazy here....while you are really young, I think we can all agree that Freeze is really old.....
CYA!
_strat_ wrote:
I will say to you what I said to Freeze:
With that said, Im off for tonight. Good night!
guidogodoy wrote:
Listen sonny....if I wanted to hear an asshole make noise....yadda yadda! Noob? I have shirts older than you! HAAAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
guidogodoy wrote:
"Sort of" a person?!? "Goofy fights?!" "Got himself a thread?!" You don't get ELECTED King!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Its not "A Kmac"... He is a person... Sort of... Anyway, he is a member (who is unfortunately absent, and has been for a rather long time), that at some point got his own thread, and became a king of it... And that means goofy fights, that you can see in the thread. Nothing serious... Just a way to relax from the shit in the rest of the board.
Btw. Im against the King. Join me? Please? Im desperate for some allies here!
LOST LOVE wrote:
Hello. I was wondering what A Kmac is? And what was going on here?
I have decided to join STRATS forces. Let the pillaging begin. But first things first. I need sleep. It is 1:30am. and they wnt me at work at 7.Tomarow then arrrrg.
Oh, dont talk to me about PETA.... I dont mind that they are so vocal (even when they are being ridiculous), or that they want me to eat nothing but vegetables (like that is possible)... But the videos that they put on the internet... I actualy threw up when I saw one of them, and never even considered giving it another go. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, June 22, 2009 10:20:30 PM)
spapad wrote:
PETA has just gone so extremist it's rediculous! There is no way every person in the PETA foundation has never killed their share of flies! Bullshit!
Becks wrote:
LMAO I heard about PETA going off about him killing a fly. It's a fuckin fly! LMAO! Like you said, who likes flies? Well, PETA by the sounds of it, LMAO.
spapad wrote:
She is very happy at home and VERY vocal about it! LOL Thank you hellrider!
Guid, I agree with you. Animal abusers should belong at the pit of hell along with Dahmer, Manson, etc.
The one thing I saw from PETA recently was abusing Pres. Obama for killing a fly. Who likes flies? And How many Billion of them are there!
One gone wont be missed! HAAAA!!!!!!
hellrider 31038 wrote:
lol.great shot she looks very happy and right at home.lol
spapad wrote:
She moved in a became the Queen! LOL She's good, but just a little bit naughty!
guidogodoy wrote:
You got that right! And I bet Lucy works all your guitar pedals too...erm...wait....
spapad wrote:
I'm convinced they are twins once removed or of the same mut parentage we know nothing of!
Lucy Weighs exactly 36.5 pounds now, she's so close to Calvin is scary! And then there's the looks! Bet Calvin turns his head alot when you talk to him too.
guidogodoy wrote:
Lunar landscape it is...friggin' moon dog! I am really surprised he hasn't dug up a phone line or electrical cable or something.
At least the damage is somewhat contained by the electric fence.
Well, IDK... Ron, did you have a rank? Because if you join me, you will be a private. I wont have my officers wearing silly brown clothes and being unable to pronounce "r".
Well, its like this: we werent treated very well, so we made a union grievance. HB is on the case. Need I say more? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, June 22, 2009 6:43:53 PM)
spapad wrote:
What happened to the Republic of Stratistan anyway? I Dont see it around anymore, hummmm, must be just like Atlanis!
guidogodoy wrote:
Based on past performance, then I suppose we could make an exception. HAAA!!
ronhartsell wrote:
Hadn't quite thought of it like that!!! lol But I used to be a Marine and was a dead on Sharpshooter!!! Maybe I should've used a slightly better pic, eh?? lol
guidogodoy wrote:
Depends...that you holding the gun or on the other side.
Either way, you might be a good candidate to fight on Strat's side. LOL!!
With that said, Im off for tonight. Good night! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, June 22, 2009 5:57:31 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Listen sonny....if I wanted to hear an asshole make noise....yadda yadda! Noob? I have shirts older than you! HAAAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
guidogodoy wrote:
"Sort of" a person?!? "Goofy fights?!" "Got himself a thread?!" You don't get ELECTED King!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Its not "A Kmac"... He is a person... Sort of... Anyway, he is a member (who is unfortunately absent, and has been for a rather long time), that at some point got his own thread, and became a king of it... And that means goofy fights, that you can see in the thread. Nothing serious... Just a way to relax from the shit in the rest of the board.
Btw. Im against the King. Join me? Please? Im desperate for some allies here!
LOST LOVE wrote:
Hello. I was wondering what A Kmac is? And what was going on here?
"Sort of" a person?!? "Goofy fights?!" "Got himself a thread?!" You don't get ELECTED King!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Its not "A Kmac"... He is a person... Sort of... Anyway, he is a member (who is unfortunately absent, and has been for a rather long time), that at some point got his own thread, and became a king of it... And that means goofy fights, that you can see in the thread. Nothing serious... Just a way to relax from the shit in the rest of the board.
Btw. Im against the King. Join me? Please? Im desperate for some allies here!
LOST LOVE wrote:
Hello. I was wondering what A Kmac is? And what was going on here?
Command: Hello...i'm the delivery boy.....!!!!!WHERE ARE YOU PIZZA STRAT????Deliver your ass to me..... Not valid. Please change the command. Contact the help desk for help (and die of old age waiting for it). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Monday, June 01, 2009 4:09:39 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
Hello...i'm the delivery boy.....!!!!!WHERE ARE YOU PIZZA STRAT????Deliver your ass to me.....
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, now be a good dog and bring me a pizza... Come on, you know you want to!
Lmao... Its not "A Kmac"... He is a person... Sort of... Anyway, he is a member (who is unfortunately absent, and has been for a rather long time), that at some point got his own thread, and became a king of it... And that means goofy fights, that you can see in the thread. Nothing serious... Just a way to relax from the shit in the rest of the board.
Btw. Im against the King. Join me? Please? Im desperate for some allies here! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by LOST LOVE from Monday, June 22, 2009 5:04:08 PM)
LOST LOVE wrote:
Hello. I was wondering what A Kmac is? And what was going on here?
Warn me in advance, will you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Monday, June 22, 2009 5:08:31 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL I use a face mask once a week it turns Bright green,, I was going to post a pic of that and call it the Green Manalishi hehehe I just may do it some day... lol
LOST LOVE wrote:
I might post some pic. of me without makeup. If youall dont get to scard or laugh.
I second that. Frankly, I always thought that his schoolboy uniform showed too much of his legs... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, June 22, 2009 5:24:22 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Angus in speedos at 5:23 am???uuuuggggghhhh!!! Way to early for me (not that there would ever be a good time for that and me...lol
Well, Ive just been through the recent shit in the Thong thread for newbies... Added my reports to those of others...
Frankly, I dont know what to make of it all. Doctor Who has been around for a while, and even though he wasnt ever the sharpest knife in the drawer (hell, he was probably a spoon), Id still never think that he would do something like that... In any case, heres hoping for a quick ban. If for nothing else, at least those pics will be deleted.
Parchment?Ooooh, look at me, Im so fancy, excuse me while I fly my aeroplane, excuse me while I read my parchments... The answer to the question you might ask is: yes, Ive been watching Monty Python lately.
We, of course, never had parchments. We had everything chiseled out in marble. I had to lift weights, just so I could read my comic books! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 19, 2009 7:04:24 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Actually, it was in The Daily Roman....came every morning on parchment. HAAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Really? I had no idea that Fox existed back then... Must have been reading the Al Gauleera myself.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hmmm. I remember that day. Of course, the paper I read said , "Ceasar invites Gaul to dinner and asks that they stay"...... HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
From a newspaper. The title of the article was "Ceasar invades Gaul - Asterix calls for UN intervention".
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you get that picture of me??????????
_strat_ wrote:
Sorry, Freeze... Thats just one of those things when an evil voice takes over me, and I have to do whatever it says!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Spell correctly and you may get a few nods from some of the old farts here. OK WISEHEIMER!!!! Now just WHAT is THAT supposed to mean????!?!??!?! You just wait right there while I come up with a punishment! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Misspelling isn't a big problem...but it does make you look like you're not very knowledgeable about anything. Spell correctly and you may get a few nods from some of the old farts here. You're 16 right? You have a long way to go.
By the way...how did you know Maple Syrup was a guy? You haven't been around too much but you already know his gender. Do you read the Sinful thread?
british.steel wrote:
well some of the "adults" on here are dousche bags. u cant ask someone why their name is maple syrup, and u cant post anything with a typo or else its illegible,
Hmmm. I remember that day. Of course, the paper I read said , "Ceasar invites Gaul to dinner and asks that they stay"...... HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
From a newspaper. The title of the article was "Ceasar invades Gaul - Asterix calls for UN intervention".
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you get that picture of me??????????
_strat_ wrote:
Sorry, Freeze... Thats just one of those things when an evil voice takes over me, and I have to do whatever it says!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Spell correctly and you may get a few nods from some of the old farts here. OK WISEHEIMER!!!! Now just WHAT is THAT supposed to mean????!?!??!?! You just wait right there while I come up with a punishment! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Misspelling isn't a big problem...but it does make you look like you're not very knowledgeable about anything. Spell correctly and you may get a few nods from some of the old farts here. You're 16 right? You have a long way to go.
By the way...how did you know Maple Syrup was a guy? You haven't been around too much but you already know his gender. Do you read the Sinful thread?
british.steel wrote:
well some of the "adults" on here are dousche bags. u cant ask someone why their name is maple syrup, and u cant post anything with a typo or else its illegible,
From a newspaper. The title of the article was "Ceasar invades Gaul - Asterix calls for UN intervention". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 19, 2009 6:27:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you get that picture of me??????????
_strat_ wrote:
Sorry, Freeze... Thats just one of those things when an evil voice takes over me, and I have to do whatever it says!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Spell correctly and you may get a few nods from some of the old farts here. OK WISEHEIMER!!!! Now just WHAT is THAT supposed to mean????!?!??!?! You just wait right there while I come up with a punishment! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Misspelling isn't a big problem...but it does make you look like you're not very knowledgeable about anything. Spell correctly and you may get a few nods from some of the old farts here. You're 16 right? You have a long way to go.
By the way...how did you know Maple Syrup was a guy? You haven't been around too much but you already know his gender. Do you read the Sinful thread?
british.steel wrote:
well some of the "adults" on here are dousche bags. u cant ask someone why their name is maple syrup, and u cant post anything with a typo or else its illegible,
Sorry, Freeze... Thats just one of those things when an evil voice takes over me, and I have to do whatever it says! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 19, 2009 6:16:37 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Spell correctly and you may get a few nods from some of the old farts here. OK WISEHEIMER!!!! Now just WHAT is THAT supposed to mean????!?!??!?! You just wait right there while I come up with a punishment! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Misspelling isn't a big problem...but it does make you look like you're not very knowledgeable about anything. Spell correctly and you may get a few nods from some of the old farts here. You're 16 right? You have a long way to go.
By the way...how did you know Maple Syrup was a guy? You haven't been around too much but you already know his gender. Do you read the Sinful thread?
british.steel wrote:
well some of the "adults" on here are dousche bags. u cant ask someone why their name is maple syrup, and u cant post anything with a typo or else its illegible,
Lmao... Nah, dont mind him (our resident spelling maniac, that is). Spelling is fine, no matter if its a bit furry, just as long as we can understand you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by british.steel from Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:44:53 PM)
british.steel wrote:
well some of the "adults" on here are dousche bags. u cant ask someone why their name is maple syrup, and u cant post anything with a typo or else its illegible,
Eww... Just dont tell me you got any ideas... Like using it as a flower pot? IDK, thats what I would have done, I guess...
Anyway... I understand all about the heat... Weve had it all day, and I thought I was going to die... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:31:45 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Yes Humid weather makes me tired.. I feel warn down. I raked the yard today,, for the second time .. gesh.. I started this morning, then the flooring guy showed up, With the butt crack a mile long. So by the time he left, and I went outside for another hour I was dying in the heat, LOL
Ill be back in a few...
Hugs MG~
Becks wrote:
LOL sounds like it's been very humid over there. I'd rather be a bit chilly than be sitting in hot stick weather, blegh. Humidity doesn't agree with me at all LOL!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Yes as soon as the Hot Humid weather set in this afternoon I lost all Modivation and hope for the rest of the day!! LOL
Becks wrote:
YAY MG! Great to see you!
Another cold day here, brrrrr! I need to get myself sorted out then I need to go in to town to do a few things, bah humbug LOL! I kinda want to stay home and do nothing LOL! Ah well.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Yes, I agree... LOL Now about that Boost drink,, strawberry or vanilla??? buahhhhhhhhhhhhh
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! I would LOVE to take you up on that JD but it has been rather pleasant around here since Monday!!!! I truly hope it continues!!!!!!!!
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
LOL! Yeah.......anybody pissing you off......send them my way!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LMAO you are on a roll today dude..
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Phantom, its very easy to be misunderstood in this forum,Kit Kat is a well respected member here....maybe you went about conversating the wrong way.
And "Diamond Jim"........Who the fuck are "you" to be telling "anybody" here to take drama somewhere else you lying trouble making shit disturbing mother fucker!!!!
Why don't "YOU" take your corny ass worthless self to a field and just end your life,you fucking stupid geek!!
Diamond Jim wrote:
Why don't you two take this drama somewhere else instead of the JudasPriest website!
Oh, Im sure it was disgusting... The shit he used to post in public was bad enough, I can even think what he might send in a PM, where there isnt the "report offensive messages" option... In any case (and this goes out to everyone), Murray did enable us the option to block out such PMs by giving us the option to only accept PMs from friends... And if Im right (and Im sure that I am in this case), it was exactly because of the asshole that is sending them this time around.
With that said, I have to go to bed now, so good night everyone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:15:49 PM)
Becks wrote:
Heya Strat! Nah haven't spoken to the webmaster, I'm not the one who received the PM so I don't know exactly what was in it, but by all acounts it was disgusting.
_strat_ wrote:
Idk... There is a lot of talk about those PMs lately... Do we know who is behind them? Or which account it is... I think I know about the person... In any case, did you talk to the webmaster about this thing?
Becks wrote:
Now that really pisses me off! Any man who sends a PM which is that offensive (I don't know what it said either) deserves to have his balls lopped off. Hang on, if he stooped to that level, he probably doesn't have any balls, cos like you say Freeze, no REAL man would ever do that
Deep Freeze wrote:
Because a certain "wonderful", "charitable" member sent her a PM that NO real man would ever have sent and she has every right to be upset. With any luck, she will come back and the cretin that wrote it will just go away.
Oh, and P.S... Please dont talk about lopping off balls... Sorry, but women will never understand how creepy it is for us to read that... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:06:28 PM)
Becks wrote:
Now that really pisses me off! Any man who sends a PM which is that offensive (I don't know what it said either) deserves to have his balls lopped off. Hang on, if he stooped to that level, he probably doesn't have any balls, cos like you say Freeze, no REAL man would ever do that
Deep Freeze wrote:
Because a certain "wonderful", "charitable" member sent her a PM that NO real man would ever have sent and she has every right to be upset. With any luck, she will come back and the cretin that wrote it will just go away.
Idk... There is a lot of talk about those PMs lately... Do we know who is behind them? Or which account it is... I think I know about the person... In any case, did you talk to the webmaster about this thing? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Wednesday, June 17, 2009 5:06:28 PM)
Becks wrote:
Now that really pisses me off! Any man who sends a PM which is that offensive (I don't know what it said either) deserves to have his balls lopped off. Hang on, if he stooped to that level, he probably doesn't have any balls, cos like you say Freeze, no REAL man would ever do that
Deep Freeze wrote:
Because a certain "wonderful", "charitable" member sent her a PM that NO real man would ever have sent and she has every right to be upset. With any luck, she will come back and the cretin that wrote it will just go away.
Ok, then, you will be in heaven together! Along with all the prudes, bible quoters and HB. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:45:11 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well well, how kind of you! I do not believe, however, that the "other" naughty boy will make it to hell.....FAR to "charitable". In any event, WELL DONE!! I thank you! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Hi Freeze... Ive pulled some strings... You and the other naughty boy will be seating next to each other in hell...
That said, I agree with you... We should step together. Although I admit that this is the worst shit among regulars that Ive seen in my time here. So I hope that it all works out for everyone (including Soy) and that we all stay together... Hopefully MG isnt gone too. Ive heard some say that she is going, but since I havent seen any such message from here, I remain hopefull...
Ok, now... After a long search, Ive found the CD with the drivers to connect my Hi-Fi to the PC... So, Im going to do that now, and see what I can squeeze out of it...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well now, looks like a quiet morning here on the Board!! Perhaps things are getting back to normal at last? Very cool! Glad to see that HB stepped back in long enough to confirm what I was saying! In fact, my thanks to ALL of you for a fine job! As was mentioned sometime ago, these things happen on a website from time to time and it is GREAT to see us band together against those that would commit transgressions. At the very least, we have served notice that we STAND TOGETHER!
A wonderful and productive Tuesday to all of you. Oh, and I have been in touch with a couple "special" members and I think everything will be fine shortly so, fear not!!! All is well. Our family will remain whole. I think that, from time to time, this kind of thing is actaully needed in order to weed out the vermin and expose them for what they truly are. Helps keep us all aware of who is who! Well done, gang! Well done indeed!
Hi Freeze... Ive pulled some strings... You and the other naughty boy will be seating next to each other in hell...
That said, I agree with you... We should step together. Although I admit that this is the worst shit among regulars that Ive seen in my time here. So I hope that it all works out for everyone (including Soy) and that we all stay together... Hopefully MG isnt gone too. Ive heard some say that she is going, but since I havent seen any such message from here, I remain hopefull...
Ok, now... After a long search, Ive found the CD with the drivers to connect my Hi-Fi to the PC... So, Im going to do that now, and see what I can squeeze out of it...
Well now, looks like a quiet morning here on the Board!! Perhaps things are getting back to normal at last? Very cool! Glad to see that HB stepped back in long enough to confirm what I was saying! In fact, my thanks to ALL of you for a fine job! As was mentioned sometime ago, these things happen on a website from time to time and it is GREAT to see us band together against those that would commit transgressions. At the very least, we have served notice that we STAND TOGETHER!
A wonderful and productive Tuesday to all of you. Oh, and I have been in touch with a couple "special" members and I think everything will be fine shortly so, fear not!!! All is well. Our family will remain whole. I think that, from time to time, this kind of thing is actaully needed in order to weed out the vermin and expose them for what they truly are. Helps keep us all aware of who is who! Well done, gang! Well done indeed!
Well, you would be, if I had a hobby of climbing down chimneys and putting shit under trees.
Then again, I see that two boys (and you are one of them) have been very notty today... So here it is... You will both get a spanking... From each other... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 4:33:47 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Does this mean I am on your Christmas List?!?!??! I think I am OFF of one today so I would really appreciate it!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, now you do, dont you... From now on DF will always stand for Dear Freeze with me.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes yes, I hear just fine!!!...............
_strat_ wrote:
WHATS THAT? GEAR? NO, NO, I SAID "DEAR"!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Huh? Huh?? What's that??? Beer?? No no..I don't drink.....
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So you arent deef... well, what are you? Deer?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK OK!! I aint DEEF ya know!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I SAID,YOU BETTER GET A HEARING AID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Huh?? What's that??? Speak up, sonny!!!
_strat_ wrote:
So thats how it goes... I bet you cant hear me with this font size... lol...
Deep Freeze wrote:
BUT I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there British.Steel...Pip's Cap. button is broke on her lap top, that's why everything is caps...she has repeatedly apologized in the past for this, just to let you know that she doesn't mean anything by it...
british.steel wrote:
calm down! no bonking on the head here!! and the all caps was way too far! haha jk
Oh, now you do, dont you... From now on DF will always stand for Dear Freeze with me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 4:28:43 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes yes, I hear just fine!!!...............
_strat_ wrote:
WHATS THAT? GEAR? NO, NO, I SAID "DEAR"!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Huh? Huh?? What's that??? Beer?? No no..I don't drink.....
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So you arent deef... well, what are you? Deer?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK OK!! I aint DEEF ya know!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I SAID,YOU BETTER GET A HEARING AID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Huh?? What's that??? Speak up, sonny!!!
_strat_ wrote:
So thats how it goes... I bet you cant hear me with this font size... lol...
Deep Freeze wrote:
BUT I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there British.Steel...Pip's Cap. button is broke on her lap top, that's why everything is caps...she has repeatedly apologized in the past for this, just to let you know that she doesn't mean anything by it...
british.steel wrote:
calm down! no bonking on the head here!! and the all caps was way too far! haha jk
WHATS THAT? GEAR? NO, NO, I SAID "DEAR"! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 4:23:48 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Huh? Huh?? What's that??? Beer?? No no..I don't drink.....
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So you arent deef... well, what are you? Deer?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK OK!! I aint DEEF ya know!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I SAID,YOU BETTER GET A HEARING AID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Huh?? What's that??? Speak up, sonny!!!
_strat_ wrote:
So thats how it goes... I bet you cant hear me with this font size... lol...
Deep Freeze wrote:
BUT I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there British.Steel...Pip's Cap. button is broke on her lap top, that's why everything is caps...she has repeatedly apologized in the past for this, just to let you know that she doesn't mean anything by it...
british.steel wrote:
calm down! no bonking on the head here!! and the all caps was way too far! haha jk
Aha... So you arent deef... well, what are you? Deer? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 4:12:30 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK OK!! I aint DEEF ya know!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I SAID,YOU BETTER GET A HEARING AID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Huh?? What's that??? Speak up, sonny!!!
_strat_ wrote:
So thats how it goes... I bet you cant hear me with this font size... lol...
Deep Freeze wrote:
BUT I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there British.Steel...Pip's Cap. button is broke on her lap top, that's why everything is caps...she has repeatedly apologized in the past for this, just to let you know that she doesn't mean anything by it...
british.steel wrote:
calm down! no bonking on the head here!! and the all caps was way too far! haha jk
I SAID,YOU BETTER GET A HEARING AID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 4:00:19 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Huh?? What's that??? Speak up, sonny!!!
_strat_ wrote:
So thats how it goes... I bet you cant hear me with this font size... lol...
Deep Freeze wrote:
BUT I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there British.Steel...Pip's Cap. button is broke on her lap top, that's why everything is caps...she has repeatedly apologized in the past for this, just to let you know that she doesn't mean anything by it...
british.steel wrote:
calm down! no bonking on the head here!! and the all caps was way too far! haha jk
So thats how it goes... I bet you cant hear me with this font size... lol... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 3:57:08 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BUT I DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey there British.Steel...Pip's Cap. button is broke on her lap top, that's why everything is caps...she has repeatedly apologized in the past for this, just to let you know that she doesn't mean anything by it...
british.steel wrote:
calm down! no bonking on the head here!! and the all caps was way too far! haha jk
Lol... Yeah, he better stick to pop... I could abide him in a metal video, but that bartender would be just... Wrong... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by british.steel from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:01:18 PM)
british.steel wrote:
Could u imagine Rick astley coming out on stage in all leather ,screaming "FASTER THAN A BULLET...TERRIFYING SCREAM!!..."
Ugh... Just when I thought that it doesnt get any uglier...
IDK... Here it is... Soy is Soy, he takes a jab here and there, but we know that he usualy does it all in good humour... Maybe he lashes out, but I did see him apologoise for it in this very thread...
Freeze is Freeze... He has a lot to say, and an opinion on almost everything (something in which he is a lot like me, I guess) and is not afraid to say it... Which I think is admirable, if anything. He isnt bossing anyone around, at least not so that I could see... If you dont like his spellchecks, dont mind them. I ususaly dont.
IDK, but the mile long posts from both of you in this thread seem miles away from making any point whatsoever... Pack it in. You are both good members, and so far as I can remember, you never caused any trouble among regulars... Dont start now.
Try "sprechening" a little "deutsch"..she may toss you a freebie....HAAAAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Only if you cover all expenses...
Deep Freeze wrote:
I will send a hooker................... HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Yup it is a language... A strange, screwed up language, but a language it is... In any case, I learned some German in high school. Only had it for two years, so I never really got any furhter than basic phrases. And, of course, the universal answer to aynthing a German might ask you: "Das habe ich nicht verstanden." (meaning "I do not understand.")
In any case... Glad to "see" you too. Lol... Frankly, the welcome is inadequate. I want a limo and a red carpet! I know you have them in Vegas!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! Well, my German is about as good as my Slovenian...(if that is even a language??) In any event, your mere presence is enough to help with the pain, my friend! Glad to see you. (How is THAT for a welcome?? HA!!!!!!)
_strat_ wrote:
Thats Guten Morgen... I will just say good afternoon...
Coffee... Well, you spelled it right, but since I cant send it to you as an e-mail attachment, Im afraid you will have to make your own.
In any case, I hope you will be feeling better real soon.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Guten Morgan, people. Somewhere past three in the morning here in Vegas and I cannot sleep. (Ah! Isn't pain wonderful??) Figured I would roll the dice, as it were, on someone being here and getting a cup of coffee!!!...........
Police academy trick - throw out the front seat and drive from the back...
Ok... WIth that said... I really have to go to bed... Good night.
Oh, and theres no "e" in stomach
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
How does that man even drive a car for christs sake,,, His stomache would hit the stearing wheel,,LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah... To think that they go through such lenghts to get enriched uranium and whatnot... They could simply get a lot of beer... But that would take a while - a beer gut like that is a result of many years of hard work!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Yes, and to think we fear IRAN,,, hahahaha
_strat_ wrote:
More like you would start a nuclear holocaust... Imagine the gasses that must be in there!!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Coffee table..
I wonder if you poked him with a pin , if he'd fly all over the room... bahahhahah,,
_strat_ wrote:
Oh damn you... What is seen cannot be unseen...
With a gut like that, who needs a coffee table?
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I can imagine the front view would look like this...LOL
I will send a hooker................... HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Yup it is a language... A strange, screwed up language, but a language it is... In any case, I learned some German in high school. Only had it for two years, so I never really got any furhter than basic phrases. And, of course, the universal answer to aynthing a German might ask you: "Das habe ich nicht verstanden." (meaning "I do not understand.")
In any case... Glad to "see" you too. Lol... Frankly, the welcome is inadequate. I want a limo and a red carpet! I know you have them in Vegas!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! Well, my German is about as good as my Slovenian...(if that is even a language??) In any event, your mere presence is enough to help with the pain, my friend! Glad to see you. (How is THAT for a welcome?? HA!!!!!!)
_strat_ wrote:
Thats Guten Morgen... I will just say good afternoon...
Coffee... Well, you spelled it right, but since I cant send it to you as an e-mail attachment, Im afraid you will have to make your own.
In any case, I hope you will be feeling better real soon.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Guten Morgan, people. Somewhere past three in the morning here in Vegas and I cannot sleep. (Ah! Isn't pain wonderful??) Figured I would roll the dice, as it were, on someone being here and getting a cup of coffee!!!...........
If you want to cover it, send me your addres, I will send you the bill. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 6:00:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man! I love that! Well done!
_strat_ wrote:
Here:
There I was completely wasted,
Out of work and dumb.
On inside its so frustrating,
As I spam from thread to thread.
You dont know what Im like
You dont have a clue.
If you did youd find yourself,
Laughing like a fool
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
So much for all my accounts,
I cant even spam
Ive head every account banned,
Theres nothing in my head....
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
You dont know what its like!
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
its a song about our resident asshole (scooter, norman, glenn, whatever you want to call him). You just may notice similarities to a certain Priest tune, so here it is: they ripped me off, not the other way around.
Crowd surfing can cause injuries! Well....
A truly gobsmacking discovery from the land of the nanny state, and then they suggest we should have a 'safe area' at gigs to do it in have any of these people actually been to a gig?
Anyhow good morning to everyone- Strat, new song, what song? Do we get to hear it?
Lmao... Yup it is a language... A strange, screwed up language, but a language it is... In any case, I learned some German in high school. Only had it for two years, so I never really got any furhter than basic phrases. And, of course, the universal answer to aynthing a German might ask you: "Das habe ich nicht verstanden." (meaning "I do not understand.")
In any case... Glad to "see" you too. Lol... Frankly, the welcome is inadequate. I want a limo and a red carpet! I know you have them in Vegas!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 5:57:27 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! Well, my German is about as good as my Slovenian...(if that is even a language??) In any event, your mere presence is enough to help with the pain, my friend! Glad to see you. (How is THAT for a welcome?? HA!!!!!!)
_strat_ wrote:
Thats Guten Morgen... I will just say good afternoon...
Coffee... Well, you spelled it right, but since I cant send it to you as an e-mail attachment, Im afraid you will have to make your own.
In any case, I hope you will be feeling better real soon.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Guten Morgan, people. Somewhere past three in the morning here in Vegas and I cannot sleep. (Ah! Isn't pain wonderful??) Figured I would roll the dice, as it were, on someone being here and getting a cup of coffee!!!...........
Here:
There I was completely wasted,
Out of work and dumb.
On inside its so frustrating,
As I spam from thread to thread.
You dont know what Im like
You dont have a clue.
If you did youd find yourself,
Laughing like a fool
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
So much for all my accounts,
I cant even spam
Ive head every account banned,
Theres nothing in my head....
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
You dont know what its like!
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
its a song about our resident asshole (scooter, norman, glenn, whatever you want to call him). You just may notice similarities to a certain Priest tune, so here it is: they ripped me off, not the other way around.
Crowd surfing can cause injuries! Well....
A truly gobsmacking discovery from the land of the nanny state, and then they suggest we should have a 'safe area' at gigs to do it in have any of these people actually been to a gig?
Anyhow good morning to everyone- Strat, new song, what song? Do we get to hear it?
Thats Guten Morgen... I will just say good afternoon...
Coffee... Well, you spelled it right, but since I cant send it to you as an e-mail attachment, Im afraid you will have to make your own.
In any case, I hope you will be feeling better real soon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 15, 2009 5:45:51 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Guten Morgan, people. Somewhere past three in the morning here in Vegas and I cannot sleep. (Ah! Isn't pain wonderful??) Figured I would roll the dice, as it were, on someone being here and getting a cup of coffee!!!...........
Good morning! Already had my coffee... Yeah, a bit late, I slept in today... Anyways its looking up to be a great day. The sun is up, the forecast looks nice and looks like there wont be a raindrop in sight today.
How does that man even drive a car for christs sake,,, His stomache would hit the stearing wheel,,LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah... To think that they go through such lenghts to get enriched uranium and whatnot... They could simply get a lot of beer... But that would take a while - a beer gut like that is a result of many years of hard work!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Yes, and to think we fear IRAN,,, hahahaha
_strat_ wrote:
More like you would start a nuclear holocaust... Imagine the gasses that must be in there!!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Coffee table..
I wonder if you poked him with a pin , if he'd fly all over the room... bahahhahah,,
_strat_ wrote:
Oh damn you... What is seen cannot be unseen...
With a gut like that, who needs a coffee table?
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I can imagine the front view would look like this...LOL
Lol... Yeah... To think that they go through such lenghts to get enriched uranium and whatnot... They could simply get a lot of beer... But that would take a while - a beer gut like that is a result of many years of hard work! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:56:13 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Yes, and to think we fear IRAN,,, hahahaha
_strat_ wrote:
More like you would start a nuclear holocaust... Imagine the gasses that must be in there!!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Coffee table..
I wonder if you poked him with a pin , if he'd fly all over the room... bahahhahah,,
_strat_ wrote:
Oh damn you... What is seen cannot be unseen...
With a gut like that, who needs a coffee table?
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I can imagine the front view would look like this...LOL
More like you would start a nuclear holocaust... Imagine the gasses that must be in there!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:45:23 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Coffee table..
I wonder if you poked him with a pin , if he'd fly all over the room... bahahhahah,,
_strat_ wrote:
Oh damn you... What is seen cannot be unseen...
With a gut like that, who needs a coffee table?
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I can imagine the front view would look like this...LOL
Well, I dunno what to say... Good evening still or is it good morning already? IDK... In any case, I cant sleep, so Im sticking around... Copying a couple of chords for a couple of songs inot a notebook... Will pop in here every now and then...
With a gut like that, who needs a coffee table? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:28:47 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I can imagine the front view would look like this...LOL
Oh, oh! First of all I agree on the singers. Second, this song (summer nights) is definately my favourite Van Halen number. The atmosphere is just awesome! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Sunday, June 14, 2009 6:20:51 PM)
Numero Uno wrote:
Hagar has the better voice. Roth is the showman. I think they sounded better live with Sammy Hagar.
Lmao... So, an audition for a rythm guitarist it is... I better start practicing...
Anyway, I hope you will have a good time... The nearest the bastards came within me was Belgrade... Damit. Then again, I dont like Johnsons voice very much, so I guess I didnt miss as much... Certainly not as much as if Scott was still around. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, June 14, 2009 4:22:28 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Ahahahahah Too Late I have my tickets for Aug 22nd... LOL
And yes I could go for a piece of Malcolm Cake!!!!! Muahhhhhhhhhhh (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:38:55 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... That makes me think... We shouldnt let her anywhere near an AC/DC concert... Or that Malcom cake just may become reallity.
Then again, it that happens, they might hire me to play rythm guitars...
Phantom A6 wrote:
Ha!! Ya, it is a cheese cake!! Not a Malcolm cake!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
OMG is that cheese cake??? Youre making me drool here,
and its not even a pic of Malcolm.. LOL
Phantom A6 wrote:
Forgive me Freeze, I wasn't there!! Here's your order!!
Hmm... That makes me think... We shouldnt let her anywhere near an AC/DC concert... Or that Malcom cake just may become reallity.
Then again, it that happens, they might hire me to play rythm guitars... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Sunday, June 14, 2009 3:33:55 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Ha!! Ya, it is a cheese cake!! Not a Malcolm cake!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
OMG is that cheese cake??? Youre making me drool here,
and its not even a pic of Malcolm.. LOL
Phantom A6 wrote:
Forgive me Freeze, I wasn't there!! Here's your order!!
I see... What was it that finished you off? Comparison to Robbie Williams?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, after the verbal assault and subsequent destruction you brought upon me earlier today, it was an honest mistake..... HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Or his cellmate... For a fee... If you know what I mean.
Oh and thanks for making me look up "lucidity". Glad to know that you think Im: intelligent, bright and sane.Tho Im not sure about the last one... (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:29:39 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only problem I can see is that it is lucid!! He will have to have his wife explain it to him!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
There I was completely wasted,
Out of work and dumb.
On inside its so frustrating,
As I spam from thread to thread.
You dont know what Im like
You dont have a clue.
If you did youd find yourself,
Laughing like a fool
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
So much for all my accounts,
I cant even spam
Ive head every account banned,
Theres nothing in my head....
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
You dont know what its like!
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brainThere. I wrote the lyrics, you can make the video yourself. You know who you are.
Well, after the verbal assault and subsequent destruction you brought upon me earlier today, it was an honest mistake..... HAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Or his cellmate... For a fee... If you know what I mean.
Oh and thanks for making me look up "lucidity". Glad to know that you think Im: intelligent, bright and sane.Tho Im not sure about the last one... (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:29:39 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only problem I can see is that it is lucid!! He will have to have his wife explain it to him!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
There I was completely wasted,
Out of work and dumb.
On inside its so frustrating,
As I spam from thread to thread.
You dont know what Im like
You dont have a clue.
If you did youd find yourself,
Laughing like a fool
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
So much for all my accounts,
I cant even spam
Ive head every account banned,
Theres nothing in my head....
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
You dont know what its like!
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brainThere. I wrote the lyrics, you can make the video yourself. You know who you are.
Come on Ron, didnt you see what Freeze said? He will have to make his wife explain it to him. Lets not put too much pressure on her. Living with an asshole like him must be more than enough... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:28:09 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Excuse me...but I happen to know for a FACT that that is NOT TRUE!!!A FACT!!! So take your miserable self and leave...AGAIN!!!
IT IS YOU THAT IS CONTINUALLY REMOVED FROM THIS BOARD BY MURRAY, WHO HAPPENS TO BE A NUETRAL PARTY YET RESPONSIBLE FROM REMOVING GARBAGE LIKE YOU FROM THIS PUBLIC FORUM!!! YOU ARE THE ONE THAT HAS TO GO TO SOOOO MUCH TROUBLE TO OPEN NEW ACCOUNTS JUST TO BE REMOVED LIKE GARBAGE AGAIN!!! SUSAN DOES NOT TAKE THE GARBAGE OUT, IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSON WHO CAN'T TOLERATE YOUR ANTI-SOCIAL, OFFENDING BEHAVIOR!!! AS A FELLOW MAN, I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT YOU ARE AN EMBARRASSMENT TO OUR GENDER!!! I WILL SAY GOOD RIDDANCE TO YOU NOW AS YOU WON'T BE HERE MUCH LONGER...YET AGAIN!!!
Viper58 wrote:
Keep to yourself and youlosewrs still not happy same old assholes spapad will rule her in alice and wonder land but can pay one bill in life without her dad.I tried to be a nice guy she seeked me out she smelled new meat she pm me and the she puts tracking cookies on computer you people are pieces of shit!
Or his cellmate... For a fee... If you know what I mean.
Oh and thanks for making me look up "lucidity". Glad to know that you think Im: intelligent, bright and sane.Tho Im not sure about the last one... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, June 14, 2009 1:29:39 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The only problem I can see is that it is lucid!! He will have to have his wife explain it to him!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
There I was completely wasted,
Out of work and dumb.
On inside its so frustrating,
As I spam from thread to thread.
You dont know what Im like
You dont have a clue.
If you did youd find yourself,
Laughing like a fool
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
So much for all my accounts,
I cant even spam
Ive head every account banned,
Theres nothing in my head....
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
You dont know what its like!
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brainThere. I wrote the lyrics, you can make the video yourself. You know who you are.
Yeah, I know. Im checking the mail for a Grammy every day. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:48:30 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
There I was completely wasted,
Out of work and dumb.
On inside its so frustrating,
As I spam from thread to thread.
You dont know what Im like
You dont have a clue.
If you did youd find yourself,
Laughing like a fool
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
So much for all my accounts,
I cant even spam
Ive head every account banned,
Theres nothing in my head....
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
You dont know what its like!
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain There. I wrote the lyrics, you can make the video yourself. You know who you are.
There I was completely wasted,
Out of work and dumb.
On inside its so frustrating,
As I spam from thread to thread.
You dont know what Im like
You dont have a clue.
If you did youd find yourself,
Laughing like a fool
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
So much for all my accounts,
I cant even spam
Ive head every account banned,
Theres nothing in my head....
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
You dont know what its like!
Braking my brain, Braking my brain
Braking my brain, Braking my brain There. I wrote the lyrics, you can make the video yourself. You know who you are.
You know, when this idiot rush started a few months ago, I thought it was amusing. It still is sometimes. But now, its just... Well, lame. In any case, as far as this guy is concerned, we know who he is, and he wont be able to cause any real trouble outside the board anymore. See the "something making you super happy" thread to see what I mean.
As for Phantom, I dont know. Probably watching the evening news right now, like me.
paorcamp wrote:
some day that kind of foolishness will cause us tragic trouble...
now, where's phantom?? I think he's the one in charge of kicking people's ass in those cases...this is not the first thread I see infected with than silly virus...
_strat_ wrote:
I think someone wants a drink. But the gesture to get a waiter to come over is just... Well, uncorrect.
You know, when this idiot rush started a few months ago, I thought it was amusing. It still is sometimes. But now, its just... Well, lame. In any case, as far as this guy is concerned, we know who he is, and he wont be able to cause any real trouble outside the board anymore. See the "something making you super happy" thread to see what I mean.
As for Phantom, I dont know. Probably watching the evening news right now, like me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Sunday, June 14, 2009 12:07:31 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
some day that kind of foolishness will cause us tragic trouble...
now, where's phantom?? I think he's the one in charge of kicking people's ass in those cases...this is not the first thread I see infected with than silly virus...
_strat_ wrote:
I think someone wants a drink. But the gesture to get a waiter to come over is just... Well, uncorrect.
Yes, it really needs colours... Pink. Yup thats right. I will paint it pink, just for Freeze. With white polka dots. He will feel just like a princess!
Yes I think it needs colour... And some whirlpool jets in it too..LOL like a mini hot tub.
_strat_ wrote:
Go pick your own cotton... As for the bath, Google provides:
There, it is drawn. Do you want it painted too?
Deep Freeze wrote:
BAH!!!!!!!!!! Go pick me some cotton and draw my bath....................................HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Listen to this, LISTEN TO THIS... He wants coffee, he wants sweets, he wants this, he wants that... I bet youre sorry you fought against the confederation, eh? Miss slaves, do you?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes, I suppose I could have been a bit more "subtle"....ANYWAY........THANK YOU for the yummy stuff!! I am starving and it appears that Phantom has abandonded his job!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just cannot get good "help" these days!! YOU HEAR THAT, STRAT?????? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Freeze,, My Point was that exactly.. ( I was trying to put it Midly) .... LOL
yummy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That we all should get along is no great mystery, however, it is not a "free pass" for some to act like idiots to others (directly of indirectly) and then not expect retribution.
BAH!!!!!!!!!! Go pick me some cotton and draw my bath....................................HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Listen to this, LISTEN TO THIS... He wants coffee, he wants sweets, he wants this, he wants that... I bet youre sorry you fought against the confederation, eh? Miss slaves, do you?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes, I suppose I could have been a bit more "subtle"....ANYWAY........THANK YOU for the yummy stuff!! I am starving and it appears that Phantom has abandonded his job!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just cannot get good "help" these days!! YOU HEAR THAT, STRAT?????? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Freeze,, My Point was that exactly.. ( I was trying to put it Midly) .... LOL
yummy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That we all should get along is no great mystery, however, it is not a "free pass" for some to act like idiots to others (directly of indirectly) and then not expect retribution.
Well, I took a look at the hockey thread, and I dont even want to find out what happened between you folks outside of it... Im just going to say that I hope you clear it up with no casualties... It always bad when this sort of things happen between regulars. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:58:44 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Exactly as I would have said, DF.
MG, you seemed to have skipped over the main cause of the general discord yesterday: Soy's nonsensical blathering with ME in the hockey thread accusing me of nonsense. Spa was just jumping in to ask what I also noticed on my own, namely why can he be nice in a PM but be such an ass in public?
While I am still scratching my head as to how me liking the Coyotes is a dig at Canada (my sister lived in Phoenix), how when I quote stats it is boastful but for him it is fine, caps are apparently a bad thing (except for big red ones) and why he flamed Spa outside the hockey thread where she asked a primary and simple question. Still boggles my even simpler mind.
As I am going to Quebec, the land I apparently hate, next month, I'll let it go at that but I just can't sit silently by and have it seem like a Spa and Soy flame war when it was actually Soy and I. Like with me, he just had a meltdown with her question originally posed in the hockey thread. Personally, I'd stil like to hear the answer but I'm sure it will never surface.
Just to keep the record straight. Off to have MY coffee I go. Edited at: Sunday, June 14, 2009 10:00:55 AM
Listen to this, LISTEN TO THIS... He wants coffee, he wants sweets, he wants this, he wants that... I bet youre sorry you fought against the confederation, eh? Miss slaves, do you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:56:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes, I suppose I could have been a bit more "subtle"....ANYWAY........THANK YOU for the yummy stuff!! I am starving and it appears that Phantom has abandonded his job!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You just cannot get good "help" these days!! YOU HEAR THAT, STRAT?????? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL Freeze,, My Point was that exactly.. ( I was trying to put it Midly) .... LOL
yummy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That we all should get along is no great mystery, however, it is not a "free pass" for some to act like idiots to others (directly of indirectly) and then not expect retribution.
I see. So youre like Robbie Williams then... You come undone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:34:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am UNDONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Bad speller? I protest in the strongest possible terms! My spelling is as perfect as my overall mastery of a West-Germanic language, commonly known as English. Which means that by insulting me, you, good sir, are indeed a serf! A plague upon thee, and may your head grow as devoid of hair as my spelling is devoid of mistakes.
A..uh... A POOR GRADE upon you, bad speller!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
A baldness upon you, hair owner!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, no!! How about this....
A TAX upon you, wage earner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
A pox? Come on... I know you can do better than that and serf is sooo 200 years ago... You should modernise. Like... A swine flu upon you, immigrant!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A pox upon thee, serf!!! HAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats what happens when the political scene is dominated by old people, who know how to calculate loans...
Deep Freeze wrote:
No! They wouldn't! AND.... that is just the way it is ( *throwing my hands up..**) HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Thats true, I guess. I just did the maths for us - lets say that GMI is 300€/month, and with a population of 2 million, that means 600 million € per month... Or per year, it means more than 3/4 of the entire budget.
IDK, I still think it would be possible. Those loopholes can be closed, but considering that we would have to tax the rich... Well, it would be a political decision, and since politicians themselves are rich, I dont think they will decide for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
axing the rich is getting harde and harde to do...IRS and government leave a million loop holes for the wealthiest to protect their money...not including offshore accts...it all sounds great in theory, but it practicality, it won't work for lack of funds...
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, and thats why I like the idea of GMI. Now, the minimum wage here is a joke too. 500€ total, which means that the worker gets about 300€. Which if you are single and have the good fortune of owning your home, is enough for a basic survival. If you have kids, and a rent/loan payments to pay, its imposibble to get through the month without welfare.
Now, GMI would be set somewhere between 200€ and 400€, and it doesnt matter if you have any other source of income. So, that means that for someone with a minimum wage, the overall income would double. If you have kids, they would get GMI too, which means even more money. Of course, I dont doubt that GMI wont happen anytime soon. So far there were a few articles in the press, and a TV debate about it, but nothing more serious.
As for funding, taxing the rich would be enough, imo. And a bit more responsibility in managing the budget (which usualy means less toys for the military, and Im always in favour of that), and I think we could pull it off.
ronhartsell wrote:
My goal would be to create a system that keeps everyone above the poverty level, and that would include those that work...minimumwage in the States is a joke...the problem would be funding it all, I mean, we're talking serious bank here...how could this be pulled off?? Even taxing the wealthiest would only put a dent in what would be needed,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Crime seems to be sooo 2 days ago, so how about a new topic...
GMI - Guaranteed minimum income. A proposal of a system that would replace the current welfare systems. Each citizen/inhabitant (depending on the proposition) of a certain country gets a certain amount of money each month - old, young, employed, unemployed, rich, poor, married, single, doesnt matter. Everybody gets a specified amount of money.
Basicaly the idea is that it would help redistribute the wealth - if such a system would be instituted, rich would be more highly taxed, therefore they would pay in taxes much more than they would get through GMI. Thats one way, or if you happen to have oil, you can do like Alaska, and fund it through oil profits (Alaska along with a village in Namibia are the only cases of that in practice - there was a Canadian city in the 1970s that had it, but has since abolished it).
On the other hand, the minimum wage would have to be a lot higher than GMI, so that work would still pay off more than simply staying at home and collecting the money.
Oh yeah... Sorry. In any case, yeah, Rick has a good voice, and I actually like "Never gonna give you up"! Singing in a power metal band... Yeah, I agree... Different worlds. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:32:35 AM)
paorcamp wrote:
no no no no no...first of all, I never said rick was amazing, I said his voice was amazing, and then obviously Dio is amazing...but you can't deny rick has a good voice...Imagine him singing for a melodic metal band...they belong to different worlds anyways...
_strat_ wrote:
DIO is amazing, not Rick... How he gets such a big voice out of such a small body is beyond me!
paorcamp wrote:
I've been always wondering where the hell did he get that voice...it's just amazing...
Bad speller? I protest in the strongest possible terms! My spelling is as perfect as my overall mastery of a West-Germanic language, commonly known as English. Which means that by insulting me, you, good sir, are indeed a serf! A plague upon thee, and may your head grow as devoid of hair as my spelling is devoid of mistakes.
A..uh... A POOR GRADE upon you, bad speller!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
A baldness upon you, hair owner!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, no!! How about this....
A TAX upon you, wage earner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
A pox? Come on... I know you can do better than that and serf is sooo 200 years ago... You should modernise. Like... A swine flu upon you, immigrant!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A pox upon thee, serf!!! HAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats what happens when the political scene is dominated by old people, who know how to calculate loans...
Deep Freeze wrote:
No! They wouldn't! AND.... that is just the way it is ( *throwing my hands up..**) HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Thats true, I guess. I just did the maths for us - lets say that GMI is 300€/month, and with a population of 2 million, that means 600 million € per month... Or per year, it means more than 3/4 of the entire budget.
IDK, I still think it would be possible. Those loopholes can be closed, but considering that we would have to tax the rich... Well, it would be a political decision, and since politicians themselves are rich, I dont think they will decide for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
axing the rich is getting harde and harde to do...IRS and government leave a million loop holes for the wealthiest to protect their money...not including offshore accts...it all sounds great in theory, but it practicality, it won't work for lack of funds...
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, and thats why I like the idea of GMI. Now, the minimum wage here is a joke too. 500€ total, which means that the worker gets about 300€. Which if you are single and have the good fortune of owning your home, is enough for a basic survival. If you have kids, and a rent/loan payments to pay, its imposibble to get through the month without welfare.
Now, GMI would be set somewhere between 200€ and 400€, and it doesnt matter if you have any other source of income. So, that means that for someone with a minimum wage, the overall income would double. If you have kids, they would get GMI too, which means even more money. Of course, I dont doubt that GMI wont happen anytime soon. So far there were a few articles in the press, and a TV debate about it, but nothing more serious.
As for funding, taxing the rich would be enough, imo. And a bit more responsibility in managing the budget (which usualy means less toys for the military, and Im always in favour of that), and I think we could pull it off.
ronhartsell wrote:
My goal would be to create a system that keeps everyone above the poverty level, and that would include those that work...minimumwage in the States is a joke...the problem would be funding it all, I mean, we're talking serious bank here...how could this be pulled off?? Even taxing the wealthiest would only put a dent in what would be needed,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Crime seems to be sooo 2 days ago, so how about a new topic...
GMI - Guaranteed minimum income. A proposal of a system that would replace the current welfare systems. Each citizen/inhabitant (depending on the proposition) of a certain country gets a certain amount of money each month - old, young, employed, unemployed, rich, poor, married, single, doesnt matter. Everybody gets a specified amount of money.
Basicaly the idea is that it would help redistribute the wealth - if such a system would be instituted, rich would be more highly taxed, therefore they would pay in taxes much more than they would get through GMI. Thats one way, or if you happen to have oil, you can do like Alaska, and fund it through oil profits (Alaska along with a village in Namibia are the only cases of that in practice - there was a Canadian city in the 1970s that had it, but has since abolished it).
On the other hand, the minimum wage would have to be a lot higher than GMI, so that work would still pay off more than simply staying at home and collecting the money.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, no!! How about this....
A TAX upon you, wage earner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
A pox? Come on... I know you can do better than that and serf is sooo 200 years ago... You should modernise. Like... A swine flu upon you, immigrant!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A pox upon thee, serf!!! HAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats what happens when the political scene is dominated by old people, who know how to calculate loans...
Deep Freeze wrote:
No! They wouldn't! AND.... that is just the way it is ( *throwing my hands up..**) HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Thats true, I guess. I just did the maths for us - lets say that GMI is 300€/month, and with a population of 2 million, that means 600 million € per month... Or per year, it means more than 3/4 of the entire budget.
IDK, I still think it would be possible. Those loopholes can be closed, but considering that we would have to tax the rich... Well, it would be a political decision, and since politicians themselves are rich, I dont think they will decide for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
axing the rich is getting harde and harde to do...IRS and government leave a million loop holes for the wealthiest to protect their money...not including offshore accts...it all sounds great in theory, but it practicality, it won't work for lack of funds...
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, and thats why I like the idea of GMI. Now, the minimum wage here is a joke too. 500€ total, which means that the worker gets about 300€. Which if you are single and have the good fortune of owning your home, is enough for a basic survival. If you have kids, and a rent/loan payments to pay, its imposibble to get through the month without welfare.
Now, GMI would be set somewhere between 200€ and 400€, and it doesnt matter if you have any other source of income. So, that means that for someone with a minimum wage, the overall income would double. If you have kids, they would get GMI too, which means even more money. Of course, I dont doubt that GMI wont happen anytime soon. So far there were a few articles in the press, and a TV debate about it, but nothing more serious.
As for funding, taxing the rich would be enough, imo. And a bit more responsibility in managing the budget (which usualy means less toys for the military, and Im always in favour of that), and I think we could pull it off.
ronhartsell wrote:
My goal would be to create a system that keeps everyone above the poverty level, and that would include those that work...minimumwage in the States is a joke...the problem would be funding it all, I mean, we're talking serious bank here...how could this be pulled off?? Even taxing the wealthiest would only put a dent in what would be needed,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Crime seems to be sooo 2 days ago, so how about a new topic...
GMI - Guaranteed minimum income. A proposal of a system that would replace the current welfare systems. Each citizen/inhabitant (depending on the proposition) of a certain country gets a certain amount of money each month - old, young, employed, unemployed, rich, poor, married, single, doesnt matter. Everybody gets a specified amount of money.
Basicaly the idea is that it would help redistribute the wealth - if such a system would be instituted, rich would be more highly taxed, therefore they would pay in taxes much more than they would get through GMI. Thats one way, or if you happen to have oil, you can do like Alaska, and fund it through oil profits (Alaska along with a village in Namibia are the only cases of that in practice - there was a Canadian city in the 1970s that had it, but has since abolished it).
On the other hand, the minimum wage would have to be a lot higher than GMI, so that work would still pay off more than simply staying at home and collecting the money.
Chocolate ice cream is absolutely the best. If it wasnt for chocolate ice cream, the vannilla hordes, with their strawberry goons, would take over the world. Its because of chocolates victory at Haselnutgrad that you are here. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:17:42 AM)
As for the taxes, the idea is to tax the rich. Minimum wage earners pay a lot less (percentwise, since we still have some sort of a progressive taxation), and that would stay as it is, or (by a separate proposition, to combat the current crisis), wouldnt pay tax at all, just the compulsory contributions for healthcare and pensions.
Now, high earners may move away... On the other hand, they might not. We used to have very high taxes on businesses, and there were few cases of them moving out.
Head banger wrote:
ok, short post
which canadian city was it?
do you tax all the min wage earners, then pay them back with the GMI
if you raise taxes on high earning individuals, probably businesses as well, dont you think it likely that those people move to a new area?
A pox? Come on... I know you can do better than that and serf is sooo 200 years ago... You should modernise. Like... A swine flu upon you, immigrant! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:10:24 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A pox upon thee, serf!!! HAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats what happens when the political scene is dominated by old people, who know how to calculate loans...
Deep Freeze wrote:
No! They wouldn't! AND.... that is just the way it is ( *throwing my hands up..**) HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Thats true, I guess. I just did the maths for us - lets say that GMI is 300€/month, and with a population of 2 million, that means 600 million € per month... Or per year, it means more than 3/4 of the entire budget.
IDK, I still think it would be possible. Those loopholes can be closed, but considering that we would have to tax the rich... Well, it would be a political decision, and since politicians themselves are rich, I dont think they will decide for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
axing the rich is getting harde and harde to do...IRS and government leave a million loop holes for the wealthiest to protect their money...not including offshore accts...it all sounds great in theory, but it practicality, it won't work for lack of funds...
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, and thats why I like the idea of GMI. Now, the minimum wage here is a joke too. 500€ total, which means that the worker gets about 300€. Which if you are single and have the good fortune of owning your home, is enough for a basic survival. If you have kids, and a rent/loan payments to pay, its imposibble to get through the month without welfare.
Now, GMI would be set somewhere between 200€ and 400€, and it doesnt matter if you have any other source of income. So, that means that for someone with a minimum wage, the overall income would double. If you have kids, they would get GMI too, which means even more money. Of course, I dont doubt that GMI wont happen anytime soon. So far there were a few articles in the press, and a TV debate about it, but nothing more serious.
As for funding, taxing the rich would be enough, imo. And a bit more responsibility in managing the budget (which usualy means less toys for the military, and Im always in favour of that), and I think we could pull it off.
ronhartsell wrote:
My goal would be to create a system that keeps everyone above the poverty level, and that would include those that work...minimumwage in the States is a joke...the problem would be funding it all, I mean, we're talking serious bank here...how could this be pulled off?? Even taxing the wealthiest would only put a dent in what would be needed,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Crime seems to be sooo 2 days ago, so how about a new topic...
GMI - Guaranteed minimum income. A proposal of a system that would replace the current welfare systems. Each citizen/inhabitant (depending on the proposition) of a certain country gets a certain amount of money each month - old, young, employed, unemployed, rich, poor, married, single, doesnt matter. Everybody gets a specified amount of money.
Basicaly the idea is that it would help redistribute the wealth - if such a system would be instituted, rich would be more highly taxed, therefore they would pay in taxes much more than they would get through GMI. Thats one way, or if you happen to have oil, you can do like Alaska, and fund it through oil profits (Alaska along with a village in Namibia are the only cases of that in practice - there was a Canadian city in the 1970s that had it, but has since abolished it).
On the other hand, the minimum wage would have to be a lot higher than GMI, so that work would still pay off more than simply staying at home and collecting the money.
Easy. A good member takes his name after a guitar. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:01:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I have been here for 45 minutes and STILL have no coffee!!!!!!!!!!! I think it is time to find a new "hangout"........HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and I would ask you how you define "good" member?
Well, thats what happens when the political scene is dominated by old people, who know how to calculate loans... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:45:58 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
No! They wouldn't! AND.... that is just the way it is ( *throwing my hands up..**) HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Thats true, I guess. I just did the maths for us - lets say that GMI is 300€/month, and with a population of 2 million, that means 600 million € per month... Or per year, it means more than 3/4 of the entire budget.
IDK, I still think it would be possible. Those loopholes can be closed, but considering that we would have to tax the rich... Well, it would be a political decision, and since politicians themselves are rich, I dont think they will decide for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
axing the rich is getting harde and harde to do...IRS and government leave a million loop holes for the wealthiest to protect their money...not including offshore accts...it all sounds great in theory, but it practicality, it won't work for lack of funds...
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, and thats why I like the idea of GMI. Now, the minimum wage here is a joke too. 500€ total, which means that the worker gets about 300€. Which if you are single and have the good fortune of owning your home, is enough for a basic survival. If you have kids, and a rent/loan payments to pay, its imposibble to get through the month without welfare.
Now, GMI would be set somewhere between 200€ and 400€, and it doesnt matter if you have any other source of income. So, that means that for someone with a minimum wage, the overall income would double. If you have kids, they would get GMI too, which means even more money. Of course, I dont doubt that GMI wont happen anytime soon. So far there were a few articles in the press, and a TV debate about it, but nothing more serious.
As for funding, taxing the rich would be enough, imo. And a bit more responsibility in managing the budget (which usualy means less toys for the military, and Im always in favour of that), and I think we could pull it off.
ronhartsell wrote:
My goal would be to create a system that keeps everyone above the poverty level, and that would include those that work...minimumwage in the States is a joke...the problem would be funding it all, I mean, we're talking serious bank here...how could this be pulled off?? Even taxing the wealthiest would only put a dent in what would be needed,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Crime seems to be sooo 2 days ago, so how about a new topic...
GMI - Guaranteed minimum income. A proposal of a system that would replace the current welfare systems. Each citizen/inhabitant (depending on the proposition) of a certain country gets a certain amount of money each month - old, young, employed, unemployed, rich, poor, married, single, doesnt matter. Everybody gets a specified amount of money.
Basicaly the idea is that it would help redistribute the wealth - if such a system would be instituted, rich would be more highly taxed, therefore they would pay in taxes much more than they would get through GMI. Thats one way, or if you happen to have oil, you can do like Alaska, and fund it through oil profits (Alaska along with a village in Namibia are the only cases of that in practice - there was a Canadian city in the 1970s that had it, but has since abolished it).
On the other hand, the minimum wage would have to be a lot higher than GMI, so that work would still pay off more than simply staying at home and collecting the money.
As for the taxes, the idea is to tax the rich. Minimum wage earners pay a lot less (percentwise, since we still have some sort of a progressive taxation), and that would stay as it is, or (by a separate proposition, to combat the current crisis), wouldnt pay tax at all, just the compulsory contributions for healthcare and pensions.
Now, high earners may move away... On the other hand, they might not. We used to have very high taxes on businesses, and there were few cases of them moving out. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, June 14, 2009 9:01:49 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ok, short post
which canadian city was it?
do you tax all the min wage earners, then pay them back with the GMI
if you raise taxes on high earning individuals, probably businesses as well, dont you think it likely that those people move to a new area?
Thats true, I guess. I just did the maths for us - lets say that GMI is 300€/month, and with a population of 2 million, that means 600 million € per month... Or per year, it means more than 3/4 of the entire budget.
IDK, I still think it would be possible. Those loopholes can be closed, but considering that we would have to tax the rich... Well, it would be a political decision, and since politicians themselves are rich, I dont think they will decide for it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Sunday, June 14, 2009 8:10:46 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
axing the rich is getting harde and harde to do...IRS and government leave a million loop holes for the wealthiest to protect their money...not including offshore accts...it all sounds great in theory, but it practicality, it won't work for lack of funds...
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, and thats why I like the idea of GMI. Now, the minimum wage here is a joke too. 500€ total, which means that the worker gets about 300€. Which if you are single and have the good fortune of owning your home, is enough for a basic survival. If you have kids, and a rent/loan payments to pay, its imposibble to get through the month without welfare.
Now, GMI would be set somewhere between 200€ and 400€, and it doesnt matter if you have any other source of income. So, that means that for someone with a minimum wage, the overall income would double. If you have kids, they would get GMI too, which means even more money. Of course, I dont doubt that GMI wont happen anytime soon. So far there were a few articles in the press, and a TV debate about it, but nothing more serious.
As for funding, taxing the rich would be enough, imo. And a bit more responsibility in managing the budget (which usualy means less toys for the military, and Im always in favour of that), and I think we could pull it off.
ronhartsell wrote:
My goal would be to create a system that keeps everyone above the poverty level, and that would include those that work...minimumwage in the States is a joke...the problem would be funding it all, I mean, we're talking serious bank here...how could this be pulled off?? Even taxing the wealthiest would only put a dent in what would be needed,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Crime seems to be sooo 2 days ago, so how about a new topic...
GMI - Guaranteed minimum income. A proposal of a system that would replace the current welfare systems. Each citizen/inhabitant (depending on the proposition) of a certain country gets a certain amount of money each month - old, young, employed, unemployed, rich, poor, married, single, doesnt matter. Everybody gets a specified amount of money.
Basicaly the idea is that it would help redistribute the wealth - if such a system would be instituted, rich would be more highly taxed, therefore they would pay in taxes much more than they would get through GMI. Thats one way, or if you happen to have oil, you can do like Alaska, and fund it through oil profits (Alaska along with a village in Namibia are the only cases of that in practice - there was a Canadian city in the 1970s that had it, but has since abolished it).
On the other hand, the minimum wage would have to be a lot higher than GMI, so that work would still pay off more than simply staying at home and collecting the money.
Ok... Here it comes... I hate Roth, love Hagar. Sorry, Roth was imo just a good showman... Not much of a singer. The only Roth song that I care for is Running With the Devil, I hate Jump... Love 5150 with Hagar. Infact the only Van Halen album that I have, and I dont think I will ever bother with any other.
I agree, and thats why I like the idea of GMI. Now, the minimum wage here is a joke too. 500€ total, which means that the worker gets about 300€. Which if you are single and have the good fortune of owning your home, is enough for a basic survival. If you have kids, and a rent/loan payments to pay, its imposibble to get through the month without welfare.
Now, GMI would be set somewhere between 200€ and 400€, and it doesnt matter if you have any other source of income. So, that means that for someone with a minimum wage, the overall income would double. If you have kids, they would get GMI too, which means even more money. Of course, I dont doubt that GMI wont happen anytime soon. So far there were a few articles in the press, and a TV debate about it, but nothing more serious.
As for funding, taxing the rich would be enough, imo. And a bit more responsibility in managing the budget (which usualy means less toys for the military, and Im always in favour of that), and I think we could pull it off. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, June 13, 2009 6:21:47 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
My goal would be to create a system that keeps everyone above the poverty level, and that would include those that work...minimumwage in the States is a joke...the problem would be funding it all, I mean, we're talking serious bank here...how could this be pulled off?? Even taxing the wealthiest would only put a dent in what would be needed,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Crime seems to be sooo 2 days ago, so how about a new topic...
GMI - Guaranteed minimum income. A proposal of a system that would replace the current welfare systems. Each citizen/inhabitant (depending on the proposition) of a certain country gets a certain amount of money each month - old, young, employed, unemployed, rich, poor, married, single, doesnt matter. Everybody gets a specified amount of money.
Basicaly the idea is that it would help redistribute the wealth - if such a system would be instituted, rich would be more highly taxed, therefore they would pay in taxes much more than they would get through GMI. Thats one way, or if you happen to have oil, you can do like Alaska, and fund it through oil profits (Alaska along with a village in Namibia are the only cases of that in practice - there was a Canadian city in the 1970s that had it, but has since abolished it).
On the other hand, the minimum wage would have to be a lot higher than GMI, so that work would still pay off more than simply staying at home and collecting the money.
Oh, sorry, I had to leave in a rush yesterday, and didnt see this.
Anyway, its great to hear that he was convicted. Heres hoping that he will actualy be dumb enough to go back to Virginia and get arrested.
If he does, what kind of a sentence is he looking at? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:05:08 PM)
spapad wrote:
And he is going straight to jail, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.00 dollars, straight to jail if he steps a toe into VA.
Deep Freeze wrote:
He was calling himself Viper 53 or 58 or something like that......
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, I havent noticed. Actualy, I dont remember noticing him at all recently... But if he is gone like you say, then its great!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Scooter!!! Our buddy, Glen!!! Yes yes, I know Murray has not got to him yet but he has run like a sissy just awhile ago and I doubt he will return as he knows that WE know!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
? I know about Keyd, whos the other one?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ahhhhhhh!!!!!! We managed to see TWO losers out the door in ONE day!!!!!!! That just HAS to be some kind of record!!!! Now, if only we could STOP the MORONIC Thread creating............................... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, him. Yeah, I know. Well... Wanna bet how long will it take till he gets back? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 1:02:54 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
He was calling himself Viper 53 or 58 or something like that......
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, I havent noticed. Actualy, I dont remember noticing him at all recently... But if he is gone like you say, then its great!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Scooter!!! Our buddy, Glen!!! Yes yes, I know Murray has not got to him yet but he has run like a sissy just awhile ago and I doubt he will return as he knows that WE know!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
? I know about Keyd, whos the other one?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ahhhhhhh!!!!!! We managed to see TWO losers out the door in ONE day!!!!!!! That just HAS to be some kind of record!!!! Now, if only we could STOP the MORONIC Thread creating............................... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, I havent noticed. Actualy, I dont remember noticing him at all recently... But if he is gone like you say, then its great! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:57:49 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Scooter!!! Our buddy, Glen!!! Yes yes, I know Murray has not got to him yet but he has run like a sissy just awhile ago and I doubt he will return as he knows that WE know!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
? I know about Keyd, whos the other one?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ahhhhhhh!!!!!! We managed to see TWO losers out the door in ONE day!!!!!!! That just HAS to be some kind of record!!!! Now, if only we could STOP the MORONIC Thread creating............................... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
? I know about Keyd, whos the other one? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:51:54 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ahhhhhhh!!!!!! We managed to see TWO losers out the door in ONE day!!!!!!! That just HAS to be some kind of record!!!! Now, if only we could STOP the MORONIC Thread creating............................... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What?! No Rick Link in your Reply? Man........Strat, your slippin'!
And your welcome! HA!!
_strat_ wrote:
I protest at you comparing Rick Astley to Judas Priest! Its clear that Rick is waaay above such noise.
Oh, and thanks for the song...
spapad wrote:
Come here! Let me take your temperature! OK..........your fine! Now excuse me while I go giggle.
That's right, you like Rick-Rolled too! But I respect your decision to do so! Now, just for your listening pleasure:
_strat_ wrote:
Is someone who likes the Number of the Beast a fake Iron Maiden fan? Is someone who likes the Ace of Spades a fake Motorhead fan? Bullshit. Im not sure who came up with the idea that people who like British Steel (which definately includes me) are fanboys and sheep, but its just ridiculous.
Oh, and Spa... I like Troubleshooter...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's very well said, pao. You know, whether or not Painkiller is "overdone" or "overrated" or whatever is rather subjective anyway. As you mentioned, it is different for everyone. To me, Painkiller represents a time in my life when I was straying from Priest's music. I had really not paid a lot of attention to them for a while and then Painkiller was released. It had a sound that reminded me of the older, classic Priest and I fell in love with it.
There has been some debate over British Steel, and all but I like the album. Period. I do not see how that qualifies me as a "sheep" or a "fanboy" or any other juvenile insult. Those that like Turbo are welcome to that opinion. I do not care for it. Don't hate it. I just do not have it in my top five. Same with Point of Entry and Rockarolla. Does not mean they are bad albums. I think the best part in all of this is that we all have our opinions and we all can agree we LOVE the Band. At the end of it all, THAT is what matters.
paorcamp wrote:
there's only one thing I want to say...I hope you get my point
we(I hope so) all here are priest fans...at least I am...I also understand that all of us could have a favorite album, or more. the thing is that someone who pretends that "his or her" favorite band keep the style of one single album DOES NOT DESERVE to be considered a fan...bands are not only our favorite album, and real bands have a style...I cannot say priest is not priest because roca rolla is very different from ram it down...the thing is that those who pretend that a band keep the same scheme and that every single album sounds the same instead of keeping its escence or its style is not a real fan, cannot be considered a real fan and his or her point of view could also become offensive...would't you get bored of listening any album if it is just the same as a previous one or the following one??
I'm very happy that all priest albums are different...because that's what we love of music, its variability and the capability of our musicians, our artists to show what they can do...if all albums are just the same I would probably think that the members of that band don't know how to play a guitar or the drums because all tracks are just a copy of any other...
to conclude...there's no band keeping the same style in one album or another...every album is a new experience, and every album should have its own mysticism and its own spirit in its own way! Edited at: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:33:59 AM
Damn... I knew about it, but I forgot all about it... I have to find another URL for the same video... I bet everyone here knows the URL from the top of their heads... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:45:26 PM)
spapad wrote:
Not to worry Strat, even I know how to do that, I just like to humor you! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Gah!!! The resident nerd just had to spoil it all!!! Poopiehead!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Now, see, that would have worked if the "flyover" with the mouse cursor didn't reveal the addy before you clicked on the link....
Wish you could have the same in a shell game. I'd make a fortune!
_strat_ wrote:
You underestimate my powers, grashopper.
There is a rickroll... One of these three... Take your pick.
What?! No Rick Link in your Reply? Man........Strat, your slippin'!
And your welcome! HA!!
_strat_ wrote:
I protest at you comparing Rick Astley to Judas Priest! Its clear that Rick is waaay above such noise.
Oh, and thanks for the song...
spapad wrote:
Come here! Let me take your temperature! OK..........your fine! Now excuse me while I go giggle.
That's right, you like Rick-Rolled too! But I respect your decision to do so! Now, just for your listening pleasure:
_strat_ wrote:
Is someone who likes the Number of the Beast a fake Iron Maiden fan? Is someone who likes the Ace of Spades a fake Motorhead fan? Bullshit. Im not sure who came up with the idea that people who like British Steel (which definately includes me) are fanboys and sheep, but its just ridiculous.
Oh, and Spa... I like Troubleshooter...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's very well said, pao. You know, whether or not Painkiller is "overdone" or "overrated" or whatever is rather subjective anyway. As you mentioned, it is different for everyone. To me, Painkiller represents a time in my life when I was straying from Priest's music. I had really not paid a lot of attention to them for a while and then Painkiller was released. It had a sound that reminded me of the older, classic Priest and I fell in love with it.
There has been some debate over British Steel, and all but I like the album. Period. I do not see how that qualifies me as a "sheep" or a "fanboy" or any other juvenile insult. Those that like Turbo are welcome to that opinion. I do not care for it. Don't hate it. I just do not have it in my top five. Same with Point of Entry and Rockarolla. Does not mean they are bad albums. I think the best part in all of this is that we all have our opinions and we all can agree we LOVE the Band. At the end of it all, THAT is what matters.
paorcamp wrote:
there's only one thing I want to say...I hope you get my point
we(I hope so) all here are priest fans...at least I am...I also understand that all of us could have a favorite album, or more. the thing is that someone who pretends that "his or her" favorite band keep the style of one single album DOES NOT DESERVE to be considered a fan...bands are not only our favorite album, and real bands have a style...I cannot say priest is not priest because roca rolla is very different from ram it down...the thing is that those who pretend that a band keep the same scheme and that every single album sounds the same instead of keeping its escence or its style is not a real fan, cannot be considered a real fan and his or her point of view could also become offensive...would't you get bored of listening any album if it is just the same as a previous one or the following one??
I'm very happy that all priest albums are different...because that's what we love of music, its variability and the capability of our musicians, our artists to show what they can do...if all albums are just the same I would probably think that the members of that band don't know how to play a guitar or the drums because all tracks are just a copy of any other...
to conclude...there's no band keeping the same style in one album or another...every album is a new experience, and every album should have its own mysticism and its own spirit in its own way! Edited at: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:33:59 AM
DIO is amazing, not Rick... How he gets such a big voice out of such a small body is beyond me! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:44:33 AM)
paorcamp wrote:
I've been always wondering where the hell did he get that voice...it's just amazing...
Gah!!! The resident nerd just had to spoil it all!!! Poopiehead!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:09:46 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Now, see, that would have worked if the "flyover" with the mouse cursor didn't reveal the addy before you clicked on the link....
Wish you could have the same in a shell game. I'd make a fortune!
_strat_ wrote:
You underestimate my powers, grashopper.
There is a rickroll... One of these three... Take your pick.
What?! No Rick Link in your Reply? Man........Strat, your slippin'!
And your welcome! HA!!
_strat_ wrote:
I protest at you comparing Rick Astley to Judas Priest! Its clear that Rick is waaay above such noise.
Oh, and thanks for the song...
spapad wrote:
Come here! Let me take your temperature! OK..........your fine! Now excuse me while I go giggle.
That's right, you like Rick-Rolled too! But I respect your decision to do so! Now, just for your listening pleasure:
_strat_ wrote:
Is someone who likes the Number of the Beast a fake Iron Maiden fan? Is someone who likes the Ace of Spades a fake Motorhead fan? Bullshit. Im not sure who came up with the idea that people who like British Steel (which definately includes me) are fanboys and sheep, but its just ridiculous.
Oh, and Spa... I like Troubleshooter...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's very well said, pao. You know, whether or not Painkiller is "overdone" or "overrated" or whatever is rather subjective anyway. As you mentioned, it is different for everyone. To me, Painkiller represents a time in my life when I was straying from Priest's music. I had really not paid a lot of attention to them for a while and then Painkiller was released. It had a sound that reminded me of the older, classic Priest and I fell in love with it.
There has been some debate over British Steel, and all but I like the album. Period. I do not see how that qualifies me as a "sheep" or a "fanboy" or any other juvenile insult. Those that like Turbo are welcome to that opinion. I do not care for it. Don't hate it. I just do not have it in my top five. Same with Point of Entry and Rockarolla. Does not mean they are bad albums. I think the best part in all of this is that we all have our opinions and we all can agree we LOVE the Band. At the end of it all, THAT is what matters.
paorcamp wrote:
there's only one thing I want to say...I hope you get my point
we(I hope so) all here are priest fans...at least I am...I also understand that all of us could have a favorite album, or more. the thing is that someone who pretends that "his or her" favorite band keep the style of one single album DOES NOT DESERVE to be considered a fan...bands are not only our favorite album, and real bands have a style...I cannot say priest is not priest because roca rolla is very different from ram it down...the thing is that those who pretend that a band keep the same scheme and that every single album sounds the same instead of keeping its escence or its style is not a real fan, cannot be considered a real fan and his or her point of view could also become offensive...would't you get bored of listening any album if it is just the same as a previous one or the following one??
I'm very happy that all priest albums are different...because that's what we love of music, its variability and the capability of our musicians, our artists to show what they can do...if all albums are just the same I would probably think that the members of that band don't know how to play a guitar or the drums because all tracks are just a copy of any other...
to conclude...there's no band keeping the same style in one album or another...every album is a new experience, and every album should have its own mysticism and its own spirit in its own way! Edited at: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:33:59 AM
Ok... Crime seems to be sooo 2 days ago, so how about a new topic...
GMI - Guaranteed minimum income. A proposal of a system that would replace the current welfare systems. Each citizen/inhabitant (depending on the proposition) of a certain country gets a certain amount of money each month - old, young, employed, unemployed, rich, poor, married, single, doesnt matter. Everybody gets a specified amount of money.
Basicaly the idea is that it would help redistribute the wealth - if such a system would be instituted, rich would be more highly taxed, therefore they would pay in taxes much more than they would get through GMI. Thats one way, or if you happen to have oil, you can do like Alaska, and fund it through oil profits (Alaska along with a village in Namibia are the only cases of that in practice - there was a Canadian city in the 1970s that had it, but has since abolished it).
On the other hand, the minimum wage would have to be a lot higher than GMI, so that work would still pay off more than simply staying at home and collecting the money.
Hey!!! You go! I never said Id actualy do it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:39:56 AM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
dancing...... oooo yeah you go strat!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, all three is possible... Only one way to find out.
And yeah, it is a catchy tune (and Im dead serious here!), and the dance looks so nerdy that even I could do it.
spapad wrote:
LIkely ALL are a fatal Rick Roll Trap! I'll take whats behind door Number three! Oh, Rickrolled again!
Funny, I'm overcome with the urge to dance as nerdy as possible? How could this be?
Well, all three is possible... Only one way to find out.
And yeah, it is a catchy tune (and Im dead serious here!), and the dance looks so nerdy that even I could do it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, June 13, 2009 11:36:36 AM)
spapad wrote:
LIkely ALL are a fatal Rick Roll Trap! I'll take whats behind door Number three! Oh, Rickrolled again!
Funny, I'm overcome with the urge to dance as nerdy as possible? How could this be?
What?! No Rick Link in your Reply? Man........Strat, your slippin'!
And your welcome! HA!!
_strat_ wrote:
I protest at you comparing Rick Astley to Judas Priest! Its clear that Rick is waaay above such noise.
Oh, and thanks for the song...
spapad wrote:
Come here! Let me take your temperature! OK..........your fine! Now excuse me while I go giggle.
That's right, you like Rick-Rolled too! But I respect your decision to do so! Now, just for your listening pleasure:
_strat_ wrote:
Is someone who likes the Number of the Beast a fake Iron Maiden fan? Is someone who likes the Ace of Spades a fake Motorhead fan? Bullshit. Im not sure who came up with the idea that people who like British Steel (which definately includes me) are fanboys and sheep, but its just ridiculous.
Oh, and Spa... I like Troubleshooter...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's very well said, pao. You know, whether or not Painkiller is "overdone" or "overrated" or whatever is rather subjective anyway. As you mentioned, it is different for everyone. To me, Painkiller represents a time in my life when I was straying from Priest's music. I had really not paid a lot of attention to them for a while and then Painkiller was released. It had a sound that reminded me of the older, classic Priest and I fell in love with it.
There has been some debate over British Steel, and all but I like the album. Period. I do not see how that qualifies me as a "sheep" or a "fanboy" or any other juvenile insult. Those that like Turbo are welcome to that opinion. I do not care for it. Don't hate it. I just do not have it in my top five. Same with Point of Entry and Rockarolla. Does not mean they are bad albums. I think the best part in all of this is that we all have our opinions and we all can agree we LOVE the Band. At the end of it all, THAT is what matters.
paorcamp wrote:
there's only one thing I want to say...I hope you get my point
we(I hope so) all here are priest fans...at least I am...I also understand that all of us could have a favorite album, or more. the thing is that someone who pretends that "his or her" favorite band keep the style of one single album DOES NOT DESERVE to be considered a fan...bands are not only our favorite album, and real bands have a style...I cannot say priest is not priest because roca rolla is very different from ram it down...the thing is that those who pretend that a band keep the same scheme and that every single album sounds the same instead of keeping its escence or its style is not a real fan, cannot be considered a real fan and his or her point of view could also become offensive...would't you get bored of listening any album if it is just the same as a previous one or the following one??
I'm very happy that all priest albums are different...because that's what we love of music, its variability and the capability of our musicians, our artists to show what they can do...if all albums are just the same I would probably think that the members of that band don't know how to play a guitar or the drums because all tracks are just a copy of any other...
to conclude...there's no band keeping the same style in one album or another...every album is a new experience, and every album should have its own mysticism and its own spirit in its own way! Edited at: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:33:59 AM
Come here! Let me take your temperature! OK..........your fine! Now excuse me while I go giggle.
That's right, you like Rick-Rolled too! But I respect your decision to do so! Now, just for your listening pleasure:
_strat_ wrote:
Is someone who likes the Number of the Beast a fake Iron Maiden fan? Is someone who likes the Ace of Spades a fake Motorhead fan? Bullshit. Im not sure who came up with the idea that people who like British Steel (which definately includes me) are fanboys and sheep, but its just ridiculous.
Oh, and Spa... I like Troubleshooter...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's very well said, pao. You know, whether or not Painkiller is "overdone" or "overrated" or whatever is rather subjective anyway. As you mentioned, it is different for everyone. To me, Painkiller represents a time in my life when I was straying from Priest's music. I had really not paid a lot of attention to them for a while and then Painkiller was released. It had a sound that reminded me of the older, classic Priest and I fell in love with it.
There has been some debate over British Steel, and all but I like the album. Period. I do not see how that qualifies me as a "sheep" or a "fanboy" or any other juvenile insult. Those that like Turbo are welcome to that opinion. I do not care for it. Don't hate it. I just do not have it in my top five. Same with Point of Entry and Rockarolla. Does not mean they are bad albums. I think the best part in all of this is that we all have our opinions and we all can agree we LOVE the Band. At the end of it all, THAT is what matters.
paorcamp wrote:
there's only one thing I want to say...I hope you get my point
we(I hope so) all here are priest fans...at least I am...I also understand that all of us could have a favorite album, or more. the thing is that someone who pretends that "his or her" favorite band keep the style of one single album DOES NOT DESERVE to be considered a fan...bands are not only our favorite album, and real bands have a style...I cannot say priest is not priest because roca rolla is very different from ram it down...the thing is that those who pretend that a band keep the same scheme and that every single album sounds the same instead of keeping its escence or its style is not a real fan, cannot be considered a real fan and his or her point of view could also become offensive...would't you get bored of listening any album if it is just the same as a previous one or the following one??
I'm very happy that all priest albums are different...because that's what we love of music, its variability and the capability of our musicians, our artists to show what they can do...if all albums are just the same I would probably think that the members of that band don't know how to play a guitar or the drums because all tracks are just a copy of any other...
to conclude...there's no band keeping the same style in one album or another...every album is a new experience, and every album should have its own mysticism and its own spirit in its own way! Edited at: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:33:59 AM
Is someone who likes the Number of the Beast a fake Iron Maiden fan? Is someone who likes the Ace of Spades a fake Motorhead fan? Bullshit. Im not sure who came up with the idea that people who like British Steel (which definately includes me) are fanboys and sheep, but its just ridiculous.
Oh, and Spa... I like Troubleshooter... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:43:02 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's very well said, pao. You know, whether or not Painkiller is "overdone" or "overrated" or whatever is rather subjective anyway. As you mentioned, it is different for everyone. To me, Painkiller represents a time in my life when I was straying from Priest's music. I had really not paid a lot of attention to them for a while and then Painkiller was released. It had a sound that reminded me of the older, classic Priest and I fell in love with it.
There has been some debate over British Steel, and all but I like the album. Period. I do not see how that qualifies me as a "sheep" or a "fanboy" or any other juvenile insult. Those that like Turbo are welcome to that opinion. I do not care for it. Don't hate it. I just do not have it in my top five. Same with Point of Entry and Rockarolla. Does not mean they are bad albums. I think the best part in all of this is that we all have our opinions and we all can agree we LOVE the Band. At the end of it all, THAT is what matters.
paorcamp wrote:
there's only one thing I want to say...I hope you get my point
we(I hope so) all here are priest fans...at least I am...I also understand that all of us could have a favorite album, or more. the thing is that someone who pretends that "his or her" favorite band keep the style of one single album DOES NOT DESERVE to be considered a fan...bands are not only our favorite album, and real bands have a style...I cannot say priest is not priest because roca rolla is very different from ram it down...the thing is that those who pretend that a band keep the same scheme and that every single album sounds the same instead of keeping its escence or its style is not a real fan, cannot be considered a real fan and his or her point of view could also become offensive...would't you get bored of listening any album if it is just the same as a previous one or the following one??
I'm very happy that all priest albums are different...because that's what we love of music, its variability and the capability of our musicians, our artists to show what they can do...if all albums are just the same I would probably think that the members of that band don't know how to play a guitar or the drums because all tracks are just a copy of any other...
to conclude...there's no band keeping the same style in one album or another...every album is a new experience, and every album should have its own mysticism and its own spirit in its own way! Edited at: Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:33:59 AM
No problem... Well... I had something to say, but Freeze just had to beat me and say it first.
Basicaly, you have seen how it is here, and I hope you can understand that we are all a bit suspicious. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Dale T. from Saturday, June 13, 2009 10:14:06 AM)
Dale T. wrote:
Wow! There's some nice people here and then some really rude people. Shoot! I never said anything to you or your friends that seem to be backing you up. I just made a comment about this offensive thread and then you flip me off. Well take it and place it ronhartsell where the sun don't shine. Thanks Strat.
ronhartsell wrote:
You're an idiot...crawl back under your rock 'til your next monthly visit
Dale T. wrote:
Shoot!!!!.....I'll guarantee you there's a guy down in Brekenridge that will take offense to this thread!!! Guarantee it!!!!
What? And not having the basic human decency to tell him that he is an idiot? I think not! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:53:19 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That is EXACTLY right! You know, when one of this boneheads creates a stupid Thread, I really wish we would all just NOT post in it. If we all did that, it would disappear almost immediately and we would ALL be spared the idiocy of socks and versus........
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, but some others did come into the main boards. In any case, we are doing well. I guess I will change my mind - no admins... We only need to step together, talk him off, and possibly add an ignore or ten.
ronhartsell wrote:
Speaking of which...notice he wasn't able to roam the Board?? He got his 50 respect points, but made no friends and had several ignores, we DID contain him working within the system we have available to us...but it takes everyone being on the same page...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, they sound perfect for the idiots we get here. Then again, most of them dont get out of the newbie section, so I guess youre right... It works.
ronhartsell wrote:
I like the system the way it is...mods are for children who can't follow the rules of decency...the majority of the folks here can do that...if I could change one thing around here, it would be one acct. per ISP address...other than that, I think we do a great job, considering it's a public forum!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not the only one. Tho from what Ive heard of the Quorum, they have admins there, and are quick to clean up this sort of shit. I dont know, but Im beginning to like J.D.s idea.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I suppose. I guess I get a little irritated when I see good friends belittled by someone that is clearly speaking out of the "wrong" end, if you get my drift. As I mentioned yesterday, it appears that he is a castaway from Halford's site, too. Could not get along THERE, either! Why is it that I am NOT the least bit surprised??
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I dont know. I think I will miss him until he resurfaces. Like I said: we need a quota of idiots to keep the place fun.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, IF he does so be it. Not much we can do about that. I do have to say that I feel rather vindicated in that he was so unceremoniously removed from our midst. It shows that Murray felt the same way as we do. It is completely assinine to come to this site for the sole purpose of causing trouble. Anything he had to say that MAY have been relevant to the Band was completely lost in his rudeness. Justice has prevailed!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, its three in the afternoon here, and I just made my afternoon coffee, and I mean to spell it right.
As for the asshole, the entire account is banned. Tho Im sure he has a few more.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! My friend, it is not even 6 AM here yet!! COFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEE is exactly how I intend to spell it until I get some SERRRRRRRVIIIIIICE!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
I see that St. Sarcasm was banned. I am hoping it is his entire account and not just some posts!
Yeah, but some others did come into the main boards. In any case, we are doing well. I guess I will change my mind - no admins... We only need to step together, talk him off, and possibly add an ignore or ten. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:44:09 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Speaking of which...notice he wasn't able to roam the Board?? He got his 50 respect points, but made no friends and had several ignores, we DID contain him working within the system we have available to us...but it takes everyone being on the same page...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, they sound perfect for the idiots we get here. Then again, most of them dont get out of the newbie section, so I guess youre right... It works.
ronhartsell wrote:
I like the system the way it is...mods are for children who can't follow the rules of decency...the majority of the folks here can do that...if I could change one thing around here, it would be one acct. per ISP address...other than that, I think we do a great job, considering it's a public forum!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not the only one. Tho from what Ive heard of the Quorum, they have admins there, and are quick to clean up this sort of shit. I dont know, but Im beginning to like J.D.s idea.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I suppose. I guess I get a little irritated when I see good friends belittled by someone that is clearly speaking out of the "wrong" end, if you get my drift. As I mentioned yesterday, it appears that he is a castaway from Halford's site, too. Could not get along THERE, either! Why is it that I am NOT the least bit surprised??
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I dont know. I think I will miss him until he resurfaces. Like I said: we need a quota of idiots to keep the place fun.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, IF he does so be it. Not much we can do about that. I do have to say that I feel rather vindicated in that he was so unceremoniously removed from our midst. It shows that Murray felt the same way as we do. It is completely assinine to come to this site for the sole purpose of causing trouble. Anything he had to say that MAY have been relevant to the Band was completely lost in his rudeness. Justice has prevailed!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, its three in the afternoon here, and I just made my afternoon coffee, and I mean to spell it right.
As for the asshole, the entire account is banned. Tho Im sure he has a few more.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! My friend, it is not even 6 AM here yet!! COFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEE is exactly how I intend to spell it until I get some SERRRRRRRVIIIIIICE!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
I see that St. Sarcasm was banned. I am hoping it is his entire account and not just some posts!
Lmao... If you create a thread. We are yet to see that.
On the other hand, it sounds like a good idea. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:39:01 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Not a bad idea, Ron. I guess the only thing I would change is the ability to block certain people from a Thread. What I mean is, if I create a Thread, I must "befriend" you before you can post in it. that way, we would have a place of sanctuary from the nimrods. Oh..AND I would LIMIT the number of Threads a person can create!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
I like the system the way it is...mods are for children who can't follow the rules of decency...the majority of the folks here can do that...if I could change one thing around here, it would be one acct. per ISP address...other than that, I think we do a great job, considering it's a public forum!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not the only one. Tho from what Ive heard of the Quorum, they have admins there, and are quick to clean up this sort of shit. I dont know, but Im beginning to like J.D.s idea.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I suppose. I guess I get a little irritated when I see good friends belittled by someone that is clearly speaking out of the "wrong" end, if you get my drift. As I mentioned yesterday, it appears that he is a castaway from Halford's site, too. Could not get along THERE, either! Why is it that I am NOT the least bit surprised??
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I dont know. I think I will miss him until he resurfaces. Like I said: we need a quota of idiots to keep the place fun.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, IF he does so be it. Not much we can do about that. I do have to say that I feel rather vindicated in that he was so unceremoniously removed from our midst. It shows that Murray felt the same way as we do. It is completely assinine to come to this site for the sole purpose of causing trouble. Anything he had to say that MAY have been relevant to the Band was completely lost in his rudeness. Justice has prevailed!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, its three in the afternoon here, and I just made my afternoon coffee, and I mean to spell it right.
As for the asshole, the entire account is banned. Tho Im sure he has a few more.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! My friend, it is not even 6 AM here yet!! COFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEE is exactly how I intend to spell it until I get some SERRRRRRRVIIIIIICE!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
I see that St. Sarcasm was banned. I am hoping it is his entire account and not just some posts!
Well, they sound perfect for the idiots we get here. Then again, most of them dont get out of the newbie section, so I guess youre right... It works. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:35:10 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
I like the system the way it is...mods are for children who can't follow the rules of decency...the majority of the folks here can do that...if I could change one thing around here, it would be one acct. per ISP address...other than that, I think we do a great job, considering it's a public forum!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not the only one. Tho from what Ive heard of the Quorum, they have admins there, and are quick to clean up this sort of shit. I dont know, but Im beginning to like J.D.s idea.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I suppose. I guess I get a little irritated when I see good friends belittled by someone that is clearly speaking out of the "wrong" end, if you get my drift. As I mentioned yesterday, it appears that he is a castaway from Halford's site, too. Could not get along THERE, either! Why is it that I am NOT the least bit surprised??
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I dont know. I think I will miss him until he resurfaces. Like I said: we need a quota of idiots to keep the place fun.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, IF he does so be it. Not much we can do about that. I do have to say that I feel rather vindicated in that he was so unceremoniously removed from our midst. It shows that Murray felt the same way as we do. It is completely assinine to come to this site for the sole purpose of causing trouble. Anything he had to say that MAY have been relevant to the Band was completely lost in his rudeness. Justice has prevailed!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, its three in the afternoon here, and I just made my afternoon coffee, and I mean to spell it right.
As for the asshole, the entire account is banned. Tho Im sure he has a few more.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! My friend, it is not even 6 AM here yet!! COFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEE is exactly how I intend to spell it until I get some SERRRRRRRVIIIIIICE!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
I see that St. Sarcasm was banned. I am hoping it is his entire account and not just some posts!
Well, someone suggested that we should get administrators, and I think it was J.D. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:34:48 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, from what I have heard, him and those of his ilk are quite compatible there...It is one of the reasons I do not care for the place. As for whatever JD had in mind, well..I do not know what you are talking about.
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not the only one. Tho from what Ive heard of the Quorum, they have admins there, and are quick to clean up this sort of shit. I dont know, but Im beginning to like J.D.s idea.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I suppose. I guess I get a little irritated when I see good friends belittled by someone that is clearly speaking out of the "wrong" end, if you get my drift. As I mentioned yesterday, it appears that he is a castaway from Halford's site, too. Could not get along THERE, either! Why is it that I am NOT the least bit surprised??
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I dont know. I think I will miss him until he resurfaces. Like I said: we need a quota of idiots to keep the place fun.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, IF he does so be it. Not much we can do about that. I do have to say that I feel rather vindicated in that he was so unceremoniously removed from our midst. It shows that Murray felt the same way as we do. It is completely assinine to come to this site for the sole purpose of causing trouble. Anything he had to say that MAY have been relevant to the Band was completely lost in his rudeness. Justice has prevailed!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, its three in the afternoon here, and I just made my afternoon coffee, and I mean to spell it right.
As for the asshole, the entire account is banned. Tho Im sure he has a few more.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! My friend, it is not even 6 AM here yet!! COFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEE is exactly how I intend to spell it until I get some SERRRRRRRVIIIIIICE!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
I see that St. Sarcasm was banned. I am hoping it is his entire account and not just some posts!
Youre not the only one. Tho from what Ive heard of the Quorum, they have admins there, and are quick to clean up this sort of shit. I dont know, but Im beginning to like J.D.s idea. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:27:54 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I suppose. I guess I get a little irritated when I see good friends belittled by someone that is clearly speaking out of the "wrong" end, if you get my drift. As I mentioned yesterday, it appears that he is a castaway from Halford's site, too. Could not get along THERE, either! Why is it that I am NOT the least bit surprised??
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I dont know. I think I will miss him until he resurfaces. Like I said: we need a quota of idiots to keep the place fun.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know strat, IF he does so be it. Not much we can do about that. I do have to say that I feel rather vindicated in that he was so unceremoniously removed from our midst. It shows that Murray felt the same way as we do. It is completely assinine to come to this site for the sole purpose of causing trouble. Anything he had to say that MAY have been relevant to the Band was completely lost in his rudeness. Justice has prevailed!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, its three in the afternoon here, and I just made my afternoon coffee, and I mean to spell it right.
As for the asshole, the entire account is banned. Tho Im sure he has a few more.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! My friend, it is not even 6 AM here yet!! COFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEE is exactly how I intend to spell it until I get some SERRRRRRRVIIIIIICE!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
I see that St. Sarcasm was banned. I am hoping it is his entire account and not just some posts!
You know strat, IF he does so be it. Not much we can do about that. I do have to say that I feel rather vindicated in that he was so unceremoniously removed from our midst. It shows that Murray felt the same way as we do. It is completely assinine to come to this site for the sole purpose of causing trouble. Anything he had to say that MAY have been relevant to the Band was completely lost in his rudeness. Justice has prevailed!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, its three in the afternoon here, and I just made my afternoon coffee, and I mean to spell it right.
As for the asshole, the entire account is banned. Tho Im sure he has a few more.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! My friend, it is not even 6 AM here yet!! COFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEE is exactly how I intend to spell it until I get some SERRRRRRRVIIIIIICE!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
I see that St. Sarcasm was banned. I am hoping it is his entire account and not just some posts!
Lol... Well, its three in the afternoon here, and I just made my afternoon coffee, and I mean to spell it right.
As for the asshole, the entire account is banned. Tho Im sure he has a few more. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 8:00:30 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!! My friend, it is not even 6 AM here yet!! COFFFFFFFFEEEEEEEEEEE is exactly how I intend to spell it until I get some SERRRRRRRVIIIIIICE!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!
I see that St. Sarcasm was banned. I am hoping it is his entire account and not just some posts!
Yes, thank you very much! I was just getting around to that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:37:55 AM)
Well, could be that he is. I dont know, I checked his posts, and he seems allright. He does go on about the "guy down in Brekenridge", but that doesnt tell me much. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, June 13, 2009 7:34:47 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry Strat...Dale T is just another acct. set up for our most resp. membere....I've about ran out of patience with a lot of the shananigans around here...
_strat_ wrote:
Easy! There is nothing wrong with Dale. He was around before, and always behaved himself.
ronhartsell wrote:
You're an idiot...crawl back under your rock 'til your next monthly visit
Dale T. wrote:
Shoot!!!!.....I'll guarantee you there's a guy down in Brekenridge that will take offense to this thread!!! Guarantee it!!!!
As you wish. As far as Im concerned, he is ok. Never insulted anyone. Irregular poster - but that doesnt mean he is Darryn. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, June 13, 2009 12:36:20 AM)
spapad wrote:
Sorry strat, buy I have to agree with my mates. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, June 12, 2009 11:40:33 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Easy! There is nothing wrong with Dale. He was around before, and always behaved himself.
ronhartsell wrote:
You're an idiot...crawl back under your rock 'til your next monthly visit
Dale T. wrote:
Shoot!!!!.....I'll guarantee you there's a guy down in Brekenridge that will take offense to this thread!!! Guarantee it!!!!
Well... Heres my two cents... I agree, Painkiller seems to be getting the most attention. Good or bad... I dont know, it just seems to be their most popular song and album, so I guess the attention it gets makes sense. Doesnt bother me.
Personaly, Painkiller is far from my favourite Priest song, and the same with the album. If Priest ever do an album like one they already did, I hope they will look to stuff like Turbo, Point of Entry or Defenders of the Faith for inspiration.
Easy! There is nothing wrong with Dale. He was around before, and always behaved himself. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, June 12, 2009 11:30:55 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
You're an idiot...crawl back under your rock 'til your next monthly visit
Dale T. wrote:
Shoot!!!!.....I'll guarantee you there's a guy down in Brekenridge that will take offense to this thread!!! Guarantee it!!!!
Dont let him fool you. He is not a good guy, he is a really bad boy, and he knows it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 12, 2009 10:23:56 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
That was very touching, I really enjoyed reading youre post HB.. You are one of the good guys, In my book!
Hugs to you and yours MG~
Head banger wrote:
20,000 posts (depending on how you view this, I might be past, or almost there, taking the average, close enough)
The tradition was that to mark a milestone like this a long post would ensue.I think that tradition seems to have gone by the wayside, but I wanted to take this opportunity to say a few words.
Wow, who would have ever thought I would get to this level.From the time I joined this site in 2003 to today there have been many changes.Some band named Judas Priest released 2 albums, toured the world a few times, even managed to get in front of me twice.Here on the site, the whole layout has changed, with the result that people like me can make tens of thousands of posts.When I joined Priest_Hammer was by far the most prolific poster, well on his way to a lofty 2000 posts.I have defended Priests replacement singer, debated socialism, crime, capitalism, ice cream, told people off and been told off, discussed all sorts of music, and posted a whole lot of meaningless trivial stuff from what are you drinking to pictures of models in skimpy clothing.Sometimes I think the latter might be my most important contribution, how sad…
The board changed formats a few years ago, and at first I didn’t like it, but now I do.The change in format brought out good and bad, people had the ability to post more, create topics, and post and create they did.Some good, some bad, but the old format had some good, some bad too.People came with the point of causing trouble, and respect points were introduced.I spent some time as the most ignored, and even a brief moment as most respected, but the points were quickly abused and became kind of irrelevant.
The change in format did allow people to get to know each other better, and for a lot of you, we did get to know each other much better.Those of you that I have gotten to know are great people, and it has enriched my life to know you.Some of my best friends are people that I have met on this site.I won’t create a list of names as I will surely forget someone, but you are all great friends.As a group we have seen many members come and go, many changes happen, many friends join, some leave.While we miss all those who chose to leave, we understand why they do so, and hope that they come back to us.For myself, I find that of late I seem to have less and less to say and am putting more and more topics on ignore.What started as ignoring the topics in languages I couldn’t read spread to ignoring word and song association threads, and now on to threads that are dedicated to all kinds of things I find a lack of interest in.
I never thought I would have the most posts here, and am sure I won’t for long.The next 20000 will take a lot longer, priest will either have to have to make 3-4 more discs, or keep the site up a long time after retirement.As it stands now, I am going to change the way I visit here.I am not leaving, but I don’t plan on doing as much chatting or visiting here as often.Since the view all posts tab was introduced I have used it, read as many posts as I can.I don’t plan on doing that anymore, I will view a few select threads, but I am not going to spend as much time on this site.If you want to chat, send me a pm, email, note on facebook, whatever, I will probably find it one of those ways.If you see a post or thread that you think I would find interesting, let me know.
Play nice with each other, ignore the idiots, make friends, and love the band.
Weeeelll......... HB, first of all, congratulations, 20.000 is an awe inspiring number, and despite what you said about not being around as much in the future, I hope you will get to 40.000 one day.
As someone who has known you for a couple of years now (at least 2 and a half, if my count is correct), I can say that I enjoyed debating socialism, crime and capitalism with you very much. I dont remember debating about ice cream, but I guess we can get to that (chocolate is best, and if you dont think so, then you are clearly a counterrevolutionary element that needs to be eliminated!) one day.
Moving on, a big thanks for your contributions to the thongs thread, contributions that are legendary with any male member who has been here for a while.
Its been fun to have you around, and Im sure all the regulars will agree with me on this. Even Freeze, although I know how much he hates agreeing with me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, June 12, 2009 10:20:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
20,000 posts (depending on how you view this, I might be past, or almost there, taking the average, close enough)
The tradition was that to mark a milestone like this a long post would ensue.I think that tradition seems to have gone by the wayside, but I wanted to take this opportunity to say a few words.
Wow, who would have ever thought I would get to this level.From the time I joined this site in 2003 to today there have been many changes.Some band named Judas Priest released 2 albums, toured the world a few times, even managed to get in front of me twice.Here on the site, the whole layout has changed, with the result that people like me can make tens of thousands of posts.When I joined Priest_Hammer was by far the most prolific poster, well on his way to a lofty 2000 posts.I have defended Priests replacement singer, debated socialism, crime, capitalism, ice cream, told people off and been told off, discussed all sorts of music, and posted a whole lot of meaningless trivial stuff from what are you drinking to pictures of models in skimpy clothing.Sometimes I think the latter might be my most important contribution, how sad…
The board changed formats a few years ago, and at first I didn’t like it, but now I do.The change in format brought out good and bad, people had the ability to post more, create topics, and post and create they did.Some good, some bad, but the old format had some good, some bad too.People came with the point of causing trouble, and respect points were introduced.I spent some time as the most ignored, and even a brief moment as most respected, but the points were quickly abused and became kind of irrelevant.
The change in format did allow people to get to know each other better, and for a lot of you, we did get to know each other much better.Those of you that I have gotten to know are great people, and it has enriched my life to know you.Some of my best friends are people that I have met on this site.I won’t create a list of names as I will surely forget someone, but you are all great friends.As a group we have seen many members come and go, many changes happen, many friends join, some leave.While we miss all those who chose to leave, we understand why they do so, and hope that they come back to us.For myself, I find that of late I seem to have less and less to say and am putting more and more topics on ignore.What started as ignoring the topics in languages I couldn’t read spread to ignoring word and song association threads, and now on to threads that are dedicated to all kinds of things I find a lack of interest in.
I never thought I would have the most posts here, and am sure I won’t for long.The next 20000 will take a lot longer, priest will either have to have to make 3-4 more discs, or keep the site up a long time after retirement.As it stands now, I am going to change the way I visit here.I am not leaving, but I don’t plan on doing as much chatting or visiting here as often.Since the view all posts tab was introduced I have used it, read as many posts as I can.I don’t plan on doing that anymore, I will view a few select threads, but I am not going to spend as much time on this site.If you want to chat, send me a pm, email, note on facebook, whatever, I will probably find it one of those ways.If you see a post or thread that you think I would find interesting, let me know.
Play nice with each other, ignore the idiots, make friends, and love the band.
... that gives me mental images. That will give me nightmares. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Friday, June 12, 2009 5:33:48 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
I DON'T WEAR SOCKS,MY FEET ARE JUST TOOO DARN PRETTY TO COVER UP...I USED TO BE A FOOT MODEL SOME YEARS BACK,GOOD MONEY TOO...YUP,FINE LOOKIN' FEET I GOTZ...
Painkiller87 wrote:
ummmm.....White. I am not big on wearing colored socks. Though I don't mind them otherwise I think some people can look good in unusual or different collored socks.
Oy! What are you darn city-slicker laughin at? Cant a man just take a crap on `is porch without someone laughin? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, June 12, 2009 5:05:54 PM)
LMAO!!! Thats the funniest thing Ive seen in a while... Yup, cats are definately the smartest animals out there... One day theyll lose it, and then we are all screwed... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 12, 2009 4:46:32 PM)
Im all for it. But, it would be a big change, so lets do it gradualy. For a start, we can just absolve me from obeying any laws.
Head banger wrote:
sure, lets try that?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the ultimate truth of it, I guess. So long as there are rules, people will break them. The "solution" would be to scrap all constitutions and all criminal law.
Head banger wrote:
I think that a root cause of a lot of crime is power. Rape was mentioned, as was drug use, both are an atempt to get or feel powerfull. people join gangs for a sense of power and belonging. now a cure to that, I dont know. Religion isnt the answer, and I dont think that just curing poverty is, although its a nice dream.
Im all for it. But, it would be a big change, so lets do it gradualy. For a start, we can just absolve me from obeying any laws. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, June 11, 2009 11:15:59 PM)
Head banger wrote:
sure, lets try that?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the ultimate truth of it, I guess. So long as there are rules, people will break them. The "solution" would be to scrap all constitutions and all criminal law.
Head banger wrote:
I think that a root cause of a lot of crime is power. Rape was mentioned, as was drug use, both are an atempt to get or feel powerfull. people join gangs for a sense of power and belonging. now a cure to that, I dont know. Religion isnt the answer, and I dont think that just curing poverty is, although its a nice dream.
Well, thats the ultimate truth of it, I guess. So long as there are rules, people will break them. The "solution" would be to scrap all constitutions and all criminal law.
Head banger wrote:
I think that a root cause of a lot of crime is power. Rape was mentioned, as was drug use, both are an atempt to get or feel powerfull. people join gangs for a sense of power and belonging. now a cure to that, I dont know. Religion isnt the answer, and I dont think that just curing poverty is, although its a nice dream.
We are certain of that... I dont like dogs, and I dont have a viking helmet. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:45:52 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Are you sure Strat isn't your twin, separated at birth???
Oh come on Freeze! Its obvious that he doesnt understand lowlife such as you and me.
So, whadda ya say, should we git together and do one of `em banjo duel thingies lyke them people in deliverance? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:39:09 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You have GOT to be kidding. Post in a way that can be understood so you call others simple minded????? It does not take a degree to see that is RUDE. Generalizations????? Calling others "dense sheep"???? Yeah, OK. All part of your intellectual sarcasm....
By the way, do not end a sentence with a preposition! ( understood and to which it can be replied..) BWAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
Keyd wrote:
I have to post in a way that can be understood & replied to. Generalizations, wording, & audience included.
Obviously the spelling teacher's don't have a Harvard edu and probably don't even know where it is. Berkeley, they think it's a foreign planet.
It's DokTor Grandma to them.
If I post the way I speak I never get any response. It's TOO much!
Deep Freeze wrote:
those judging me so harshly without any idea of my sarcasm OK, I am willing to accept that you truly believe that you are being "sarcastic". Let's go with that. However, how is it that you can play the victim when YOU come to this Board and insult others with juvenile name-calling and then act bewidered by the reaction????? If people here do not know you ,where does the fault lie and how can they be sure you are not yet ANOTHER cyber-idiot looking to stir up trouble????????
You seem to be well-versed in things computer. Good for you. Obviously, this is not your first venture into the world of online forums. Knowing all this, you choose to be rude, abrasive and then INDIGNANT when people are offended by your behavior!??!!?!? Please! Grammar and poor sentence structure aside, how can you claim to be so cerebral and yet act in such a ridiculously childish manner?????
It is GREAT that you have an opinion. We ALL do. At this point, the general opinion of you seems to be rather negative. WHY is that, genius??? Why? Because we are all a bunch of idiot sheep that do not accept your OH so intellectual position or is it that you simply made a mistake? You are not the first. I think the difference is that there ARE a few that realized it and DID something about it.
Keyd wrote:
I could have made it look like you actually said what I edited by adding HTML "Code" around it (everything web, including this site is created with it)
Despite people here egging me on I did not do that nor did I attach your name to it so you should be the only one who gets the "joke".
I don't think I would slander you in such a way despite what you think.
THERE IS NOTHING ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE (VERY SOON) UPCOMING SET. At least nothing organized and worth reading for content. Spelling, maybe?
That is the most important topic regarding the band at this time. Next will be playing Nostradamus in it's entirety.
Speaking of, I know you like the album. I am just busting your balls for the British Steel thing. In fact because you like Nostradamus and your perceived age & experience I am giving you the benefit of the doubt :wink: Plus you are most likely on a mac like I am today because I noticed the shotty formatting on this site for macs. If you were on a pc you would see some stuff for applying code but on macs if you edit, what you see at the bottom is "code".
The British Steel thread is somewhat a "time filler" but is important because they plan to play this album in it's entirety with the original UK album running order. I mostly posted it so some of those judging me so harshly without any idea of my sarcasm will know what I really think of it.
I may have exaggerated in the bad things about this album but nowhere near the over-exaggerated praise & overrating of this album buy mainstream pop mags & then the blind sheepies afterwards.
I am in the other areas on the board but they are dead and by the time there is any replies it will be too late. Check it if you want. I am a little more "tactful" with them as I figure they have been to see the band at least a few times, but probably not.
can you link me to any interesting threads or any threads about the upcoming tour?
peas!
ronhartsell wrote:
You don't get it , do you? There's at least 1 thread for anything you want to discuss about Priest on this Board. This is the 'Newbie' area, for those that do not have enough respect points to post elsewhere on the Board. See, for now at least, you can't get to those threads. Other threads that have nothing to do with the Band have been created, over time, by members who have gotten to know each other and find that they have other things in common as well as Priest, including the 'game' threads to pass time. It's a community here, to be shared by all, including you. All that's ever been asked is to be respectful of other's opinions. You can be critical and disagree, but you do it with tact. You twisted a post of mine around to be completely opposite of what I wrote just to crack on me. You can't find any post where I claim to not like Nos, but all you do is crack on me like I don't get it like you do. In fact, I posted where I agreed with your opinion of Nos, but that doesn't stop you. And what you were refering to about embedded quotes and peanut gallery, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Keyd wrote:
I didn't grab your embedded quote and despite egging on from the peanut gallery I did not attach code or your moniker to your now accurate quote.
Do dat make no sense? http://www.google.com/
Now you want to see MY ass? I'm not that kind of girl.
No I don't wonder why there is little or no participation in my threads. Seeing as they are the only intelligent threads in this section and the only ones that relate to the band Judas Priest at this time (in early June 2009 in case you didn't know).
This noticeboard would be more accurately called "The Simple Lifestyles of the Dumbest Judas Priest Fans EVER and nothing about said bands music or performances.
Carry on... WaHT colour r u socks?
ronhartsell wrote:
Are you for real?? Now you take my post, a record of my opinion, and you take the liberty of altering my written record so you can quip on it?? How far do you feel you have to go to show your ass?? And you wonder why there's little to no participation in your threads!!!
Keyd wrote:
"Enjoying Nostradamus around here is the extreme minority, we can't get it ...It's not even a Priest release and is bad metal!...those that enjoy engaging in any intelligent conversation around here is what's rare!!" Fixed that for you.
Now back to the important & relevant topics. What color socks do you have?
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Well, i guess so. Tho, to be honest, the social issues thread can get very nasty. Then again, we usualy dont let those emotions spill out of it, so its not that bad. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:36:53 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
I will say this...as much as we disagree (and we do, a lot), the village idiot should backread the Social/Politics thread, maybe then he/she would better understand how to disagree while maintaining respectful dialouge, and gain the respect of others at the same time.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, did he? Geez... Tell him Im sorry. I dont remember when. Too many people are saying it, thats the problem.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, you KNOW he has!
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, he did. HB too, I think. Then theres Guido, he must have...IDK.
In any case, after the political divisions between us, it is absolutely great to have another idiot to unite us again. Infact, I will say of this site exactly the same as I said about our parliament; we need to institute a quota of idiots to keep the place fun!
ronhartsell wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I've seen Freeze post this very same thing once or twice!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now just why is it that everytime someone agrees with me, thats something special?
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Strat...we finally agree on something
_strat_ wrote:
ooops... I did too... Just now...
No matter... I guess its fun having an idiot around. Makes us all feel better about ourselves.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yeah...at exactly 12:29:40 today someone just HAD to comment..........AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, seriously... here is a good thread. Some say that its stupid, but what do they know. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Keyd from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:17:31 PM)
Keyd wrote:
Let me repeat/re-state... can you link me to any INTERESTING & INTELLIGENT threads or any threads about the upcoming tour? I see swine flu, jessica simpson, and an idiot thread. NOTHING about the music. Don't be scared this will be a much more interesting and important thread... http://judaspriest.com/notice/forum.asp?topicid=3489&cb=1 If you hang with the idiots you will be a turkey, if not you will soar like an eagle (so they say) and so will the band.
I could have made it look like you actually said what I edited by adding HTML "Code" around it (everything web, including this site is created with it) Despite people here egging me on I did not do that nor did I attach your name to it so you should be the only one who gets the "joke". I don't think I would slander you in such a way despite what you think. THERE IS NOTHING ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE (VERY SOON) UPCOMING SET. At least nothing organized and worth reading for content. Spelling, maybe? That is the most important topic regarding the band at this time. Next will be playing Nostradamus in it's entirety. Speaking of, I know you like the album. I am just busting your balls for the British Steel thing. In fact because you like Nostradamus and your perceived age & experience I am giving you the benefit of the doubt :wink: Plus I you are most likely on a mac like I am today because I noticed the shotty formatting on this site for macs. If you were on a pc you would see some stuff for applying code but on macs if you edit, what you see at the bottom is "code". The British Steel thread is somewhat a "time filler" but is important because they plan to play this album in it's entirety with the original UK album running order. I mostly posted it so some of those judging me so harshly without any idea of my sarcasm will know what I really think of it. I may have exaggerated in the bad things about this album but nowhere near the over-exaggerated praise & overrating of this album buy mainstream pop mags & then the blind sheepies afterwards. I am in the other areas on the board but they are dead and by the time there is any replies it will be too late. Check it if you want. I am a little more "tactful" with them as I figure they have been to see the band at least a few times, but probably not. can you link me to any interesting threads or any threads about the upcoming tour? peas!
ronhartsell wrote:
You don't get it , do you? There's at least 1 thread for anything you want to discuss about Priest on this Board. This is the 'Newbie' area, for those that do not have enough respect points to post elsewhere on the Board. See, for now at least, you can't get to those threads. Other threads that have nothing to do with the Band have been created, over time, by members who have gotten to know each other and find that they have other things in common as well as Priest, including the 'game' threads to pass time. It's a community here, to be shared by all, including you. All that's ever been asked is to be respectful of other's opinions. You can be critical and disagree, but you do it with tact. You twisted a post of mine around to be completely opposite of what I wrote just to crack on me. You can't find any post where I claim to not like Nos, but all you do is crack on me like I don't get it like you do. In fact, I posted where I agreed with your opinion of Nos, but that doesn't stop you. And what you were refering to about embedded quotes and peanut gallery, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Keyd wrote:
I didn't grab your embedded quote and despite egging on from the peanut gallery I did not attach code or your moniker to your now accurate quote. Do dat make no sense? http://www.google.com/ Now you want to see MY ass? I'm not that kind of girl. No I don't wonder why there is little or no participation in my threads. Seeing as they are the only intelligent threads in this section and the only ones that relate to the band Judas Priest at this time (in early June 2009 in case you didn't know). This noticeboard would be more accurately called "The Simple Lifestyles of the Dumbest Judas Priest Fans EVER and nothing about said bands music or performances. Carry on... WaHT colour r u socks?
ronhartsell wrote:
Are you for real?? Now you take my post, a record of my opinion, and you take the liberty of altering my written record so you can quip on it?? How far do you feel you have to go to show your ass?? And you wonder why there's little to no participation in your threads!!!
Keyd wrote:
"Enjoying Nostradamus around here is the extreme minority, we can't get it ...It's not even a Priest release and is bad metal!...those that enjoy engaging in any intelligent conversation around here is what's rare!!"Fixed that for you.
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I can reach the tp when I'm on the toilet. Maybe it's under that pile down there but I'm not touching it.
ronhartsell wrote:
The point is, the thread exists...what ppl post in it is up to them, but it's there...you just can't reach it!!
Keyd wrote:
Let me repeat/re-state...
can you link me to any INTERESTING & INTELLIGENT threads or any threads about the upcoming tour?
I see swine flu, jessica simpson, and an idiot thread. NOTHING about the music.
Don't be scared this will be a much more interesting and important thread...
http://judaspriest.com/notice/forum.asp?topicid=3489&cb=1
If you hang with the idiots you will be a turkey, if not you will soar like an eagle (so they say) and so will the band.
I could have made it look like you actually said what I edited by adding HTML "Code" around it (everything web, including this site is created with it)
Despite people here egging me on I did not do that nor did I attach your name to it so you should be the only one who gets the "joke".
I don't think I would slander you in such a way despite what you think.
THERE IS NOTHING ON THIS BOARD ABOUT THE (VERY SOON) UPCOMING SET. At least nothing organized and worth reading for content. Spelling, maybe?
That is the most important topic regarding the band at this time. Next will be playing Nostradamus in it's entirety.
Speaking of, I know you like the album. I am just busting your balls for the British Steel thing. In fact because you like Nostradamus and your perceived age & experience I am giving you the benefit of the doubt :wink: Plus I you are most likely on a mac like I am today because I noticed the shotty formatting on this site for macs. If you were on a pc you would see some stuff for applying code but on macs if you edit, what you see at the bottom is "code".
The British Steel thread is somewhat a "time filler" but is important because they plan to play this album in it's entirety with the original UK album running order. I mostly posted it so some of those judging me so harshly without any idea of my sarcasm will know what I really think of it.
I may have exaggerated in the bad things about this album but nowhere near the over-exaggerated praise & overrating of this album buy mainstream pop mags & then the blind sheepies afterwards.
I am in the other areas on the board but they are dead and by the time there is any replies it will be too late. Check it if you want. I am a little more "tactful" with them as I figure they have been to see the band at least a few times, but probably not.
can you link me to any interesting threads or any threads about the upcoming tour?
peas!
ronhartsell wrote:
You don't get it , do you? There's at least 1 thread for anything you want to discuss about Priest on this Board. This is the 'Newbie' area, for those that do not have enough respect points to post elsewhere on the Board. See, for now at least, you can't get to those threads. Other threads that have nothing to do with the Band have been created, over time, by members who have gotten to know each other and find that they have other things in common as well as Priest, including the 'game' threads to pass time. It's a community here, to be shared by all, including you. All that's ever been asked is to be respectful of other's opinions. You can be critical and disagree, but you do it with tact. You twisted a post of mine around to be completely opposite of what I wrote just to crack on me. You can't find any post where I claim to not like Nos, but all you do is crack on me like I don't get it like you do. In fact, I posted where I agreed with your opinion of Nos, but that doesn't stop you. And what you were refering to about embedded quotes and peanut gallery, I'm not sure I understand what you mean.
Keyd wrote:
I didn't grab your embedded quote and despite egging on from the peanut gallery I did not attach code or your moniker to your now accurate quote.
Do dat make no sense? http://www.google.com/
Now you want to see MY ass? I'm not that kind of girl.
No I don't wonder why there is little or no participation in my threads. Seeing as they are the only intelligent threads in this section and the only ones that relate to the band Judas Priest at this time (in early June 2009 in case you didn't know).
This noticeboard would be more accurately called "The Simple Lifestyles of the Dumbest Judas Priest Fans EVER and nothing about said bands music or performances.
Carry on... WaHT colour r u socks?
ronhartsell wrote:
Are you for real?? Now you take my post, a record of my opinion, and you take the liberty of altering my written record so you can quip on it?? How far do you feel you have to go to show your ass?? And you wonder why there's little to no participation in your threads!!!
Keyd wrote:
"Enjoying Nostradamus around here is the extreme minority, we can't get it ...It's not even a Priest release and is bad metal!...those that enjoy engaging in any intelligent conversation around here is what's rare!!" Fixed that for you.
Now back to the important & relevant topics. What color socks do you have?
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Oh, did he? Geez... Tell him Im sorry. I dont remember when. Too many people are saying it, thats the problem. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:18:20 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, you KNOW he has!
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, he did. HB too, I think. Then theres Guido, he must have...IDK.
In any case, after the political divisions between us, it is absolutely great to have another idiot to unite us again. Infact, I will say of this site exactly the same as I said about our parliament; we need to institute a quota of idiots to keep the place fun!
ronhartsell wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I've seen Freeze post this very same thing once or twice!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now just why is it that everytime someone agrees with me, thats something special?
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Strat...we finally agree on something
_strat_ wrote:
ooops... I did too... Just now...
No matter... I guess its fun having an idiot around. Makes us all feel better about ourselves.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yeah...at exactly 12:29:40 today someone just HAD to comment..........AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You never met my hammer then. The bastard hit my fingers!
Just a question for everyone... Are there, as of yet, any stupid and insulting PMs from our new idiot?
guidogodoy wrote:
Aha....tools CAN be useful. They are not inherently so.
You do have a point about the manners part though. After all, I don't recall ever thinking of my shovel as a condescending blabbermouth ASS! HAAA!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm...no. Sorry, guido. He is NOT a "tool". Tools are useful and I am almost certain they have better manners.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
What a flippin' TOOL, eh?
Deep Freeze wrote:
It is actually rather enjoyable watching the genius talk to himself...... HAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Weeeeeeeell... Each computer has its own IP adress, and thats different than an E-mail adress. In any case, I think its possible to have more than one acount on the same E-mail adress. If that is banned - you get another E-mail adress. If the IP is banned, you can change that too (dont ask me how, tho). Basicaly, if he has time and skills, he can do whatever he wants, as long as he doesnt brake the law. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:19:01 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Doesn't each CPU have it's own address? Only one address per account, or is it one account per e-mail address? I mean, you can make as many e-mail addresses as you can find different user names, that number is limitless. I wonder if anything can be done about this and correct it and eliminate multiple accts (and friendships created that way), or is it not worth the time?? (Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:02:30 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
That's Darryn. He created many accounts here and he's be friended with himself to be the "most respected member" here. Many of his "Do-it-yourself-accounts" have only one friend. You can see it in this "special profiles". He needs attention and he want to find this attention here 'Cause he can't find it in his real life. He starts conversations with his "special accounts" with other members of the board. And he's one of the shit disturbers of the board. And he's to fig to act here with his Number one account "JD. Diamond", ex "Winnipeg Warrior" (Please note: "JD. Diamond" with one dot!! - not "J.D. Diamond").
Other accounts:
"JD. Diamond"
"JD Diamond" (Ya, without a dot)
"Diamond Jim"
"Roger_Blade"
Banned accounts by Murray:
"Locked_and_loaded" (ex: "Hot!!! For love"),
"Tyler Durdan"
and so on.
A real poor soul with a miserable life in my opinion.(Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:16:30 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Something has me a little befuddled...I poked around asking questions yesterday about a certain individual...this individual made their first post in '05 and has a total of 2,130 posts (roughly 100 ppm) and has 274 'Friends' (roughly 1 friend made for every 6+ posts)...as often as I've been on the Board this past year (joined in Feb. '07), I've never met this person, had any form of communication with this person, have never seen this person engaged in any form of conversation with any other member on the Board...can anyone help my feeble little mind understand this?? The reason I ask is that we have ppl here at around 20,000 posts and are nowhere near at the respect point level as this person is...how is this possible??
Edited at: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:05:00 PM Edited at: Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:11:39 PM
You never met my hammer then. The bastard hit my fingers!
Just a question for everyone... Are there, as of yet, any stupid and insulting PMs from our new idiot? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:16:52 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Aha....tools CAN be useful. They are not inherently so.
You do have a point about the manners part though. After all, I don't recall ever thinking of my shovel as a condescending blabbermouth ASS! HAAA!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm...no. Sorry, guido. He is NOT a "tool". Tools are useful and I am almost certain they have better manners.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
What a flippin' TOOL, eh?
Deep Freeze wrote:
It is actually rather enjoyable watching the genius talk to himself...... HAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yup, he did. HB too, I think. Then theres Guido, he must have...IDK.
In any case, after the political divisions between us, it is absolutely great to have another idiot to unite us again. Infact, I will say of this site exactly the same as I said about our parliament; we need to institute a quota of idiots to keep the place fun! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:13:27 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I've seen Freeze post this very same thing once or twice!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now just why is it that everytime someone agrees with me, thats something special?
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Strat...we finally agree on something
_strat_ wrote:
ooops... I did too... Just now...
No matter... I guess its fun having an idiot around. Makes us all feel better about ourselves.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yeah...at exactly 12:29:40 today someone just HAD to comment..........AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now just why is it that everytime someone agrees with me, thats something special? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, June 11, 2009 5:07:12 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Hey Strat...we finally agree on something
_strat_ wrote:
ooops... I did too... Just now...
No matter... I guess its fun having an idiot around. Makes us all feel better about ourselves.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yeah...at exactly 12:29:40 today someone just HAD to comment..........AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, thats the ultimate truth of it, I guess. So long as there are rules, people will break them. The "solution" would be to scrap all constitutions and all criminal law. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, June 09, 2009 11:30:12 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I think that a root cause of a lot of crime is power. Rape was mentioned, as was drug use, both are an atempt to get or feel powerfull. people join gangs for a sense of power and belonging. now a cure to that, I dont know. Religion isnt the answer, and I dont think that just curing poverty is, although its a nice dream.
Absolutely. Give me a n00b, and I forget the meaning of mercy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:48:23 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
haha....that's a good one strat...you're a bastard
_strat_ wrote:
That answers the question.
My socks are black, of course, of a special type, called golf socks. They have eighteen holes in them.
paorcamp wrote:
what kind of thread is this one!!!!????
there's only one thing I should say:
My socks are black, of course, of a special type, called golf socks. They have eighteen holes in them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:41:51 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
what kind of thread is this one!!!!????
there's only one thing I should say:
Yup. I imagine that there are plenty of new "type ones" in these times.
As for the drug addicts, we would have to find out why they are what they are, I guess. Again, I doubt that a normal person with a normal and functional life will just wake up one day and say "Well, my lifes all fine, but I think Im going to become a drug addict, and rob people to get money for crack." [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, June 09, 2009 8:31:02 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
I'd agree that the poorest have the highest crime rate, but I also think there are two distinctive types of criminals in the poorer communities...there's the father who steal's from the grocery store to feed his family...then there's the guy that rob's a gas station to support his drug habit...both are criminal acts and punishable by law (especially if a weapon was used while commiting the crime)...one criminal is a job away from being an respectable citizen again, the other has a whole slew of issues going on, especially if someone is killed during the act...
_strat_ wrote:
Well... To be honest, the idea seems fascist more than anything to me. The first association I got was Orwells 1984 with its "crimethink", "unpersons", "newspeak"... ect.
Honestly, I dont know shit about genes, but I doubt that it really comes to that. I think it has more to do with the circumstances we live in, the upbringing we get, and not the least the social status that we have. I dont think that its a coincidence that the poorest areas are usualy the most criminal ones. That was what I was refering to. Studying the conditions in which criminals "develop", and trying to do something about that.
Basicly, we are all brought up to certain moral norms. Dont kill is probably the most important one, and the fact that most of us have those norms kind of in our subconscience is, imo, the biggest detterent. You dont kill - why? Because you just dont. And if you would really want (or have) to kill someone, I doubt that the threat of punishment would stop you. Or me, or anyone for that matter.
ronhartsell wrote:
I'm not much of a Tom Cruise fan myself, but you bring up an interesting idea, here is an overview of the movie...it's one you might like...
Now, of course this is just a movie...but what if medical research discovered a gene that showed anyone born with this particular gene would become a violent criminal...how could, and more importantly, would society use this information to weed out the bad apples before the crime(s) were commited?? Maybe studying convicted violent criminals in the world of medical research isn't such a bad idea after all!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. Havent seen it. Top Gun - the only Tom Cruise movie that I liked. I dont really like the guy generaly.
As for my post - well, what I wanted to say is that we would probably be more succesfull if we try to stop crime than punish it. Prevention, kinda like in medicine. Better to get a shot against a disease, then to get infected. Trying to figure out (Im sure that part at least wouldnt be hard) why criminals commit crimes, and try to do something about that. But, I guess that that is a bit much to expect. Then again, if we could crawl out of the medieval torture chambers, I guess we may someday come to that.
ronhartsell wrote:
Have you seen the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise?? That's what came to mind reading the end of your post...if we could do that, there would be no crime...
_strat_ wrote:
Depends on the motive, I guess. Like I said, punishment for the sake of punishment doesnt do anything. Hell, we are Europe, we are old... For 1500 years my nation lived here, and in that time we had it all. Inquisuition, torture and executions in hundreds of ways, untold repressions of criminals... And none worked. Thats one of the reasons why nations started to abandon capital punishment. It just doesnt work. You can do anything you like, people will still commit crimes. We can only do our best to keep it as low as possible.
IDK, maybe getting into why people commit crimes and try to do something about that would be a better idea.
Head banger wrote:
no. and cutting of the theifs hand is a bit much also. but if they dont get some punishment they will do it again/
_strat_ wrote:
Well, plain crimes like shoplifting dont warrant capital punishment, at least imo.
Could be that we are. We always end up in one.
Head banger wrote:
homicide, yes, but not general crime.
we are NOT going back to capitalism/socialism are we?
_strat_ wrote:
Not really. They rank higher then most west European countries, at least by homicide rate.
Sure, work is an honour, and everyone should work, priority given to non-convicts. Now, its a question of how to get work for everyone.
Head banger wrote:
there is less crime in iran.
you can spend a lot of money to make him work, but given that there are people who want to work that havent killed anyone, that honor (yes work is an honor) should go to them first
_strat_ wrote:
Look, I know that its an imperfect system. What I said is that we shouldnt base punishment on vengeance. I am an atheist, raised by two atheists, and one of the things they taught me is that vengeance is childish.
Thats why I guarantee you that no matter how harsh the punishment is, people will still commit crimes. Look at how harsh punishments are in Iran. Does it mean that they dont have crime? Or how harsh punishments are in your country, and it still has a crime rate way higher than Europe, where punishments are a lot less severe. What this tells is that people wont be intimidated into submission, and that is as it should be. There is another reason why I touched on the issue of what good does capital punishment do. As I said, you gain nothing from killing a convict. Only a corpse. You can leave him alive and make him work, so at least he can serve of the material part of his debt. Thats not an ideal or an illusion. It can be done, if there is will for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
No system is perfect Strat, but it's the best we've got...born and raised in a Christian family, I was taught eye for an eye, although that is pretty hard core if followed through to the letter...there has to be punishment, and that punishment should be harsh enough so that others will think twice before commiting such a crime...the day is long gone when most ppl fear Judgement Day...a lot of ppl don't even believe there is a God (or what ever their Diety may be), so we must protect ourselves as a Society...if I hate my ex-wife and decide to kill her because I know I'll be out in 8-10 years, hell, I can do that standing on my head, what's to stop me...that's bunk!! Punishment is to hold a person accountable for their actions as well as keep order, it's two-fold...there are plenty of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to fill our prisons, no shortage in that department...I wish it wouldn't come to this in the first place, but it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world Strat...but it's the best we've got...especially in a country with a Constitutional Right to bear arms...
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Well... To be honest, the idea seems fascist more than anything to me. The first association I got was Orwells 1984 with its "crimethink", "unpersons", "newspeak"... ect.
Honestly, I dont know shit about genes, but I doubt that it really comes to that. I think it has more to do with the circumstances we live in, the upbringing we get, and not the least the social status that we have. I dont think that its a coincidence that the poorest areas are usualy the most criminal ones. That was what I was refering to. Studying the conditions in which criminals "develop", and trying to do something about that.
Basicly, we are all brought up to certain moral norms. Dont kill is probably the most important one, and the fact that most of us have those norms kind of in our subconscience is, imo, the biggest detterent. You dont kill - why? Because you just dont. And if you would really want (or have) to kill someone, I doubt that the threat of punishment would stop you. Or me, or anyone for that matter. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, June 09, 2009 7:15:22 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
I'm not much of a Tom Cruise fan myself, but you bring up an interesting idea, here is an overview of the movie...it's one you might like...
Now, of course this is just a movie...but what if medical research discovered a gene that showed anyone born with this particular gene would become a violent criminal...how could, and more importantly, would society use this information to weed out the bad apples before the crime(s) were commited?? Maybe studying convicted violent criminals in the world of medical research isn't such a bad idea after all!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. Havent seen it. Top Gun - the only Tom Cruise movie that I liked. I dont really like the guy generaly.
As for my post - well, what I wanted to say is that we would probably be more succesfull if we try to stop crime than punish it. Prevention, kinda like in medicine. Better to get a shot against a disease, then to get infected. Trying to figure out (Im sure that part at least wouldnt be hard) why criminals commit crimes, and try to do something about that. But, I guess that that is a bit much to expect. Then again, if we could crawl out of the medieval torture chambers, I guess we may someday come to that.
ronhartsell wrote:
Have you seen the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise?? That's what came to mind reading the end of your post...if we could do that, there would be no crime...
_strat_ wrote:
Depends on the motive, I guess. Like I said, punishment for the sake of punishment doesnt do anything. Hell, we are Europe, we are old... For 1500 years my nation lived here, and in that time we had it all. Inquisuition, torture and executions in hundreds of ways, untold repressions of criminals... And none worked. Thats one of the reasons why nations started to abandon capital punishment. It just doesnt work. You can do anything you like, people will still commit crimes. We can only do our best to keep it as low as possible.
IDK, maybe getting into why people commit crimes and try to do something about that would be a better idea.
Head banger wrote:
no. and cutting of the theifs hand is a bit much also. but if they dont get some punishment they will do it again/
_strat_ wrote:
Well, plain crimes like shoplifting dont warrant capital punishment, at least imo.
Could be that we are. We always end up in one.
Head banger wrote:
homicide, yes, but not general crime.
we are NOT going back to capitalism/socialism are we?
_strat_ wrote:
Not really. They rank higher then most west European countries, at least by homicide rate.
Sure, work is an honour, and everyone should work, priority given to non-convicts. Now, its a question of how to get work for everyone.
Head banger wrote:
there is less crime in iran.
you can spend a lot of money to make him work, but given that there are people who want to work that havent killed anyone, that honor (yes work is an honor) should go to them first
_strat_ wrote:
Look, I know that its an imperfect system. What I said is that we shouldnt base punishment on vengeance. I am an atheist, raised by two atheists, and one of the things they taught me is that vengeance is childish.
Thats why I guarantee you that no matter how harsh the punishment is, people will still commit crimes. Look at how harsh punishments are in Iran. Does it mean that they dont have crime? Or how harsh punishments are in your country, and it still has a crime rate way higher than Europe, where punishments are a lot less severe. What this tells is that people wont be intimidated into submission, and that is as it should be. There is another reason why I touched on the issue of what good does capital punishment do. As I said, you gain nothing from killing a convict. Only a corpse. You can leave him alive and make him work, so at least he can serve of the material part of his debt. Thats not an ideal or an illusion. It can be done, if there is will for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
No system is perfect Strat, but it's the best we've got...born and raised in a Christian family, I was taught eye for an eye, although that is pretty hard core if followed through to the letter...there has to be punishment, and that punishment should be harsh enough so that others will think twice before commiting such a crime...the day is long gone when most ppl fear Judgement Day...a lot of ppl don't even believe there is a God (or what ever their Diety may be), so we must protect ourselves as a Society...if I hate my ex-wife and decide to kill her because I know I'll be out in 8-10 years, hell, I can do that standing on my head, what's to stop me...that's bunk!! Punishment is to hold a person accountable for their actions as well as keep order, it's two-fold...there are plenty of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to fill our prisons, no shortage in that department...I wish it wouldn't come to this in the first place, but it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world Strat...but it's the best we've got...especially in a country with a Constitutional Right to bear arms...
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Ah, I see. Judging from the pics, it must be something like those North American doughnuts. Only salty. Looks good. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 08, 2009 7:11:04 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey, strat!! Well, a bagel is sort of a small ring of bread. It is boiled in water and salt for a bit then baked.
_strat_ wrote:
Erm... No. What is a bagel anyway?
Deep Freeze wrote:
That could very well be. Living in a more rural area would certainly explain it. HA!!!! I thought bagels were everywhere!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Maybe is cos we live out of cities etc - yes loads of Jewish ppl - but i guess we just eat different - more 'off the land' - is why we're so healthy.....lol
Deep Freeze wrote:
Seriously???? Don't you have a large population of Jewish folks there??? Strange indeed!!!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Good day sir - would u believe bagels are pretty new over here? Deb only tried 'em in the past week - lol
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning!!! NEED coffee!!!! And perhaps a bagel and a schmear! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Been "out" for a couple days. I have missed you all!
Damn! I completely forgot about the World Cup qualifiers! Then again, our team isnt playing soon, so I guess I didnt miss much. The only thing I have to report from the old continent is that at some point, Croatia and Ukraine were tied at 2-2, but I didnt watch the game to the end, and dont know how it ended. Hope the Croats won!
Now... South America... Whats going on there? Im guessing that Brazil will qualify, but what about the rest? Will we see Argentina next year?
Crime is caused by currency. If we could move past currency i think crime would fall dramatically. Think of all the crimes that revolve around money.
_strat_ wrote:
Depends on the motive, I guess. Like I said, punishment for the sake of punishment doesnt do anything. Hell, we are Europe, we are old... For 1500 years my nation lived here, and in that time we had it all. Inquisuition, torture and executions in hundreds of ways, untold repressions of criminals... And none worked. Thats one of the reasons why nations started to abandon capital punishment. It just doesnt work. You can do anything you like, people will still commit crimes. We can only do our best to keep it as low as possible.
IDK, maybe getting into why people commit crimes and try to do something about that would be a better idea.
Head banger wrote:
no. and cutting of the theifs hand is a bit much also. but if they dont get some punishment they will do it again/
_strat_ wrote:
Well, plain crimes like shoplifting dont warrant capital punishment, at least imo.
Could be that we are. We always end up in one.
Head banger wrote:
homicide, yes, but not general crime.
we are NOT going back to capitalism/socialism are we?
_strat_ wrote:
Not really. They rank higher then most west European countries, at least by homicide rate.
Sure, work is an honour, and everyone should work, priority given to non-convicts. Now, its a question of how to get work for everyone.
Head banger wrote:
there is less crime in iran.
you can spend a lot of money to make him work, but given that there are people who want to work that havent killed anyone, that honor (yes work is an honor) should go to them first
_strat_ wrote:
Look, I know that its an imperfect system. What I said is that we shouldnt base punishment on vengeance. I am an atheist, raised by two atheists, and one of the things they taught me is that vengeance is childish.
Thats why I guarantee you that no matter how harsh the punishment is, people will still commit crimes. Look at how harsh punishments are in Iran. Does it mean that they dont have crime? Or how harsh punishments are in your country, and it still has a crime rate way higher than Europe, where punishments are a lot less severe. What this tells is that people wont be intimidated into submission, and that is as it should be. There is another reason why I touched on the issue of what good does capital punishment do. As I said, you gain nothing from killing a convict. Only a corpse. You can leave him alive and make him work, so at least he can serve of the material part of his debt. Thats not an ideal or an illusion. It can be done, if there is will for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
No system is perfect Strat, but it's the best we've got...born and raised in a Christian family, I was taught eye for an eye, although that is pretty hard core if followed through to the letter...there has to be punishment, and that punishment should be harsh enough so that others will think twice before commiting such a crime...the day is long gone when most ppl fear Judgement Day...a lot of ppl don't even believe there is a God (or what ever their Diety may be), so we must protect ourselves as a Society...if I hate my ex-wife and decide to kill her because I know I'll be out in 8-10 years, hell, I can do that standing on my head, what's to stop me...that's bunk!! Punishment is to hold a person accountable for their actions as well as keep order, it's two-fold...there are plenty of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to fill our prisons, no shortage in that department...I wish it wouldn't come to this in the first place, but it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world Strat...but it's the best we've got...especially in a country with a Constitutional Right to bear arms...
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Nope. Havent seen it. Top Gun - the only Tom Cruise movie that I liked. I dont really like the guy generaly.
As for my post - well, what I wanted to say is that we would probably be more succesfull if we try to stop crime than punish it. Prevention, kinda like in medicine. Better to get a shot against a disease, then to get infected. Trying to figure out (Im sure that part at least wouldnt be hard) why criminals commit crimes, and try to do something about that. But, I guess that that is a bit much to expect. Then again, if we could crawl out of the medieval torture chambers, I guess we may someday come to that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, June 08, 2009 6:42:06 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Have you seen the movie Minority Report starring Tom Cruise?? That's what came to mind reading the end of your post...if we could do that, there would be no crime...
_strat_ wrote:
Depends on the motive, I guess. Like I said, punishment for the sake of punishment doesnt do anything. Hell, we are Europe, we are old... For 1500 years my nation lived here, and in that time we had it all. Inquisuition, torture and executions in hundreds of ways, untold repressions of criminals... And none worked. Thats one of the reasons why nations started to abandon capital punishment. It just doesnt work. You can do anything you like, people will still commit crimes. We can only do our best to keep it as low as possible.
IDK, maybe getting into why people commit crimes and try to do something about that would be a better idea.
Head banger wrote:
no. and cutting of the theifs hand is a bit much also. but if they dont get some punishment they will do it again/
_strat_ wrote:
Well, plain crimes like shoplifting dont warrant capital punishment, at least imo.
Could be that we are. We always end up in one.
Head banger wrote:
homicide, yes, but not general crime.
we are NOT going back to capitalism/socialism are we?
_strat_ wrote:
Not really. They rank higher then most west European countries, at least by homicide rate.
Sure, work is an honour, and everyone should work, priority given to non-convicts. Now, its a question of how to get work for everyone.
Head banger wrote:
there is less crime in iran.
you can spend a lot of money to make him work, but given that there are people who want to work that havent killed anyone, that honor (yes work is an honor) should go to them first
_strat_ wrote:
Look, I know that its an imperfect system. What I said is that we shouldnt base punishment on vengeance. I am an atheist, raised by two atheists, and one of the things they taught me is that vengeance is childish.
Thats why I guarantee you that no matter how harsh the punishment is, people will still commit crimes. Look at how harsh punishments are in Iran. Does it mean that they dont have crime? Or how harsh punishments are in your country, and it still has a crime rate way higher than Europe, where punishments are a lot less severe. What this tells is that people wont be intimidated into submission, and that is as it should be. There is another reason why I touched on the issue of what good does capital punishment do. As I said, you gain nothing from killing a convict. Only a corpse. You can leave him alive and make him work, so at least he can serve of the material part of his debt. Thats not an ideal or an illusion. It can be done, if there is will for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
No system is perfect Strat, but it's the best we've got...born and raised in a Christian family, I was taught eye for an eye, although that is pretty hard core if followed through to the letter...there has to be punishment, and that punishment should be harsh enough so that others will think twice before commiting such a crime...the day is long gone when most ppl fear Judgement Day...a lot of ppl don't even believe there is a God (or what ever their Diety may be), so we must protect ourselves as a Society...if I hate my ex-wife and decide to kill her because I know I'll be out in 8-10 years, hell, I can do that standing on my head, what's to stop me...that's bunk!! Punishment is to hold a person accountable for their actions as well as keep order, it's two-fold...there are plenty of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to fill our prisons, no shortage in that department...I wish it wouldn't come to this in the first place, but it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world Strat...but it's the best we've got...especially in a country with a Constitutional Right to bear arms...
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Shit! Thats expensive. I wonder why do they charge so much, its not like youre getting a new leg or something...
In any case, like I said, its not painfull. Its just a bit annoying to have to make multiple visits. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Monday, June 08, 2009 2:28:22 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
THANKS FOR THE REASSURANCE ....AH THE PHYSICAL DISCOMFORT DOESN'T BOTHER ME,I MEAN WHAT'S THE POINT OF THINKING ABOUT IT,IT HAS TO BE DONE,SO BE IT...ACTUALLY IT STARTED TO KICK UP ABOUT FRIDAY NIGHT,I WAS EATING ASPIRIN LIKE CANDY EVERY FIVE HOURS OR SO...IT WAS A SHOOTING PAIN RIGHT UP THE SIDE OF MY JAW TO THE EAR,SO I WENT IN FIRST THING THIS MORNING AND THEY EXAMINED ME IN ABOUT 15 MINUTES,I WAS VERY IMPRESSED SINCE I HAD NO APPOINTMENT(NOT TO MENTION GRATEFUL), SO HE PRESCRIBED ME SOME YUMMY PENICILIN CAPS TO CLEAR THINGS UP,AND THEN WE GO DRILLIN' FOR GOLD! ...COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM $700-$1000 I FIGURE,BUT AGAIN,I'M NOT PISSED ABOUT IT,I'VE GOTTEN THIS FAR IN LIFE WITH NO KIND OF MAJOR ILLNESS,OR ANY TYPE OF SURGERY,SO HEY,IN THAT REGARD I'VE BEEN BLESSED I THINK......WHAT'S A LITTLE DISCOMFORT IN LIFE I SAY......I WONDER IF THEY'LL PLAY SOME PRIEST FOR ME WHILE THEY'RE TORTURING ME?,I'LL TAKE A CD WITH ME AND ASK ANYWAY...COULDN'T HURT...
_strat_ wrote:
Nah, its not that painfull. Not anymore than the usual drilling and filling is. Just ask for anesthesia, and it should be fine.
If you want to know real pain, dont go. A week or two, and you will be in hell.
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
I'M SO HAPPY!...SOOOO HAPPY!!! ......THIS WEEK I'M GETTING MY FIRST EVER ROOT CANAL
DONE!....WOOOOOOHOOOOO.......YEAAAH BABY!......CAN'T WAIT!...I WANT MY PAIN,I NEED MY PAIN.....THEN HOPEFULLY I'LL GET MY PAINKILLERS...PAIN,PAIN.....
KILLERS,KILLERS.....PAIN,PAIN....KILLERS,KILLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!!!.............HOLY THEY'RE EXPENSIVE! ...AHHH WHAT THE HELL,GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE TO CANCEL THE PRIEST CONCERT IS ALL! ....NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Depends on the motive, I guess. Like I said, punishment for the sake of punishment doesnt do anything. Hell, we are Europe, we are old... For 1500 years my nation lived here, and in that time we had it all. Inquisuition, torture and executions in hundreds of ways, untold repressions of criminals... And none worked. Thats one of the reasons why nations started to abandon capital punishment. It just doesnt work. You can do anything you like, people will still commit crimes. We can only do our best to keep it as low as possible.
IDK, maybe getting into why people commit crimes and try to do something about that would be a better idea. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 08, 2009 1:53:59 PM)
Head banger wrote:
no. and cutting of the theifs hand is a bit much also. but if they dont get some punishment they will do it again/
_strat_ wrote:
Well, plain crimes like shoplifting dont warrant capital punishment, at least imo.
Could be that we are. We always end up in one.
Head banger wrote:
homicide, yes, but not general crime.
we are NOT going back to capitalism/socialism are we?
_strat_ wrote:
Not really. They rank higher then most west European countries, at least by homicide rate.
Sure, work is an honour, and everyone should work, priority given to non-convicts. Now, its a question of how to get work for everyone.
Head banger wrote:
there is less crime in iran.
you can spend a lot of money to make him work, but given that there are people who want to work that havent killed anyone, that honor (yes work is an honor) should go to them first
_strat_ wrote:
Look, I know that its an imperfect system. What I said is that we shouldnt base punishment on vengeance. I am an atheist, raised by two atheists, and one of the things they taught me is that vengeance is childish.
Thats why I guarantee you that no matter how harsh the punishment is, people will still commit crimes. Look at how harsh punishments are in Iran. Does it mean that they dont have crime? Or how harsh punishments are in your country, and it still has a crime rate way higher than Europe, where punishments are a lot less severe. What this tells is that people wont be intimidated into submission, and that is as it should be. There is another reason why I touched on the issue of what good does capital punishment do. As I said, you gain nothing from killing a convict. Only a corpse. You can leave him alive and make him work, so at least he can serve of the material part of his debt. Thats not an ideal or an illusion. It can be done, if there is will for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
No system is perfect Strat, but it's the best we've got...born and raised in a Christian family, I was taught eye for an eye, although that is pretty hard core if followed through to the letter...there has to be punishment, and that punishment should be harsh enough so that others will think twice before commiting such a crime...the day is long gone when most ppl fear Judgement Day...a lot of ppl don't even believe there is a God (or what ever their Diety may be), so we must protect ourselves as a Society...if I hate my ex-wife and decide to kill her because I know I'll be out in 8-10 years, hell, I can do that standing on my head, what's to stop me...that's bunk!! Punishment is to hold a person accountable for their actions as well as keep order, it's two-fold...there are plenty of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to fill our prisons, no shortage in that department...I wish it wouldn't come to this in the first place, but it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world Strat...but it's the best we've got...especially in a country with a Constitutional Right to bear arms...
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Lol... No, no, no!!! Rehabilitation! See what the Germans are doing! Ok... its only for white neo nazis, but notice the social programme at the end! Thats how you treat convicts!
How about donating convicted murderers to Science??? Just the thought of that would be a deterrent, eh?? And it would serve humankind in general...guinea pigs, if you will...
_strat_ wrote:
Keeping them alive is, imo, a purpose of itself. Getting them to work benefits everyone, including the convicts.
Head banger wrote:
no, you proposed economic ideas to keep them alive, I am pointing out that fails. its cheaper to kill them, but thats not the reason. I just think its beter.
_strat_ wrote:
Im sorry, but if youre proposing to kill people to save money, Im out of it.
Head banger wrote:
I will take just those few cases, no doubt, no waste of time holding them. it costs over 200 000 a year to hold someone in max security, no way they can do enough work to pay that off, let alone help the victims family.
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Well, plain crimes like shoplifting dont warrant capital punishment, at least imo.
Could be that we are. We always end up in one. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 08, 2009 11:59:54 AM)
Head banger wrote:
homicide, yes, but not general crime.
we are NOT going back to capitalism/socialism are we?
_strat_ wrote:
Not really. They rank higher then most west European countries, at least by homicide rate.
Sure, work is an honour, and everyone should work, priority given to non-convicts. Now, its a question of how to get work for everyone.
Head banger wrote:
there is less crime in iran.
you can spend a lot of money to make him work, but given that there are people who want to work that havent killed anyone, that honor (yes work is an honor) should go to them first
_strat_ wrote:
Look, I know that its an imperfect system. What I said is that we shouldnt base punishment on vengeance. I am an atheist, raised by two atheists, and one of the things they taught me is that vengeance is childish.
Thats why I guarantee you that no matter how harsh the punishment is, people will still commit crimes. Look at how harsh punishments are in Iran. Does it mean that they dont have crime? Or how harsh punishments are in your country, and it still has a crime rate way higher than Europe, where punishments are a lot less severe. What this tells is that people wont be intimidated into submission, and that is as it should be. There is another reason why I touched on the issue of what good does capital punishment do. As I said, you gain nothing from killing a convict. Only a corpse. You can leave him alive and make him work, so at least he can serve of the material part of his debt. Thats not an ideal or an illusion. It can be done, if there is will for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
No system is perfect Strat, but it's the best we've got...born and raised in a Christian family, I was taught eye for an eye, although that is pretty hard core if followed through to the letter...there has to be punishment, and that punishment should be harsh enough so that others will think twice before commiting such a crime...the day is long gone when most ppl fear Judgement Day...a lot of ppl don't even believe there is a God (or what ever their Diety may be), so we must protect ourselves as a Society...if I hate my ex-wife and decide to kill her because I know I'll be out in 8-10 years, hell, I can do that standing on my head, what's to stop me...that's bunk!! Punishment is to hold a person accountable for their actions as well as keep order, it's two-fold...there are plenty of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to fill our prisons, no shortage in that department...I wish it wouldn't come to this in the first place, but it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world Strat...but it's the best we've got...especially in a country with a Constitutional Right to bear arms...
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Well, looking on the bright side, it helps with unemployment. And as I said - rather keep them alive and on state money, than kill them. As far as Im concerned, its all better then execution. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 08, 2009 11:59:17 AM)
Head banger wrote:
keeping them alive is somewhat a purpose. but the work doesnt benefit everyone, as we need guards, transport... more cost than benefit. if we could be sure of rehab, or keeping them secure, perhaps remote firelookout towers could be manned by them, dunno.
_strat_ wrote:
Keeping them alive is, imo, a purpose of itself. Getting them to work benefits everyone, including the convicts.
Head banger wrote:
no, you proposed economic ideas to keep them alive, I am pointing out that fails. its cheaper to kill them, but thats not the reason. I just think its beter.
_strat_ wrote:
Im sorry, but if youre proposing to kill people to save money, Im out of it.
Head banger wrote:
I will take just those few cases, no doubt, no waste of time holding them. it costs over 200 000 a year to hold someone in max security, no way they can do enough work to pay that off, let alone help the victims family.
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Nah, its not that painfull. Not anymore than the usual drilling and filling is. Just ask for anesthesia, and it should be fine.
If you want to know real pain, dont go. A week or two, and you will be in hell. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Monday, June 08, 2009 10:23:13 AM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
I'M SO HAPPY!...SOOOO HAPPY!!! ......THIS WEEK I'M GETTING MY FIRST EVER ROOT CANAL
DONE!....WOOOOOOHOOOOO.......YEAAAH BABY!......CAN'T WAIT!...I WANT MY PAIN,I NEED MY PAIN.....THEN HOPEFULLY I'LL GET MY PAINKILLERS...PAIN,PAIN.....
KILLERS,KILLERS.....PAIN,PAIN....KILLERS,KILLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRS!!!.............HOLY THEY'RE EXPENSIVE! ...AHHH WHAT THE HELL,GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE TO CANCEL THE PRIEST CONCERT IS ALL! ....NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not really. They rank higher then most west European countries, at least by homicide rate.
Sure, work is an honour, and everyone should work, priority given to non-convicts. Now, its a question of how to get work for everyone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 08, 2009 9:28:49 AM)
Head banger wrote:
there is less crime in iran.
you can spend a lot of money to make him work, but given that there are people who want to work that havent killed anyone, that honor (yes work is an honor) should go to them first
_strat_ wrote:
Look, I know that its an imperfect system. What I said is that we shouldnt base punishment on vengeance. I am an atheist, raised by two atheists, and one of the things they taught me is that vengeance is childish.
Thats why I guarantee you that no matter how harsh the punishment is, people will still commit crimes. Look at how harsh punishments are in Iran. Does it mean that they dont have crime? Or how harsh punishments are in your country, and it still has a crime rate way higher than Europe, where punishments are a lot less severe. What this tells is that people wont be intimidated into submission, and that is as it should be. There is another reason why I touched on the issue of what good does capital punishment do. As I said, you gain nothing from killing a convict. Only a corpse. You can leave him alive and make him work, so at least he can serve of the material part of his debt. Thats not an ideal or an illusion. It can be done, if there is will for it.
ronhartsell wrote:
No system is perfect Strat, but it's the best we've got...born and raised in a Christian family, I was taught eye for an eye, although that is pretty hard core if followed through to the letter...there has to be punishment, and that punishment should be harsh enough so that others will think twice before commiting such a crime...the day is long gone when most ppl fear Judgement Day...a lot of ppl don't even believe there is a God (or what ever their Diety may be), so we must protect ourselves as a Society...if I hate my ex-wife and decide to kill her because I know I'll be out in 8-10 years, hell, I can do that standing on my head, what's to stop me...that's bunk!! Punishment is to hold a person accountable for their actions as well as keep order, it's two-fold...there are plenty of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to fill our prisons, no shortage in that department...I wish it wouldn't come to this in the first place, but it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world Strat...but it's the best we've got...especially in a country with a Constitutional Right to bear arms...
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
no, you proposed economic ideas to keep them alive, I am pointing out that fails. its cheaper to kill them, but thats not the reason. I just think its beter.
_strat_ wrote:
Im sorry, but if youre proposing to kill people to save money, Im out of it.
Head banger wrote:
I will take just those few cases, no doubt, no waste of time holding them. it costs over 200 000 a year to hold someone in max security, no way they can do enough work to pay that off, let alone help the victims family.
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Im sorry, but if youre proposing to kill people to save money, Im out of it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, June 08, 2009 7:10:51 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I will take just those few cases, no doubt, no waste of time holding them. it costs over 200 000 a year to hold someone in max security, no way they can do enough work to pay that off, let alone help the victims family.
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Look, I know that its an imperfect system. What I said is that we shouldnt base punishment on vengeance. I am an atheist, raised by two atheists, and one of the things they taught me is that vengeance is childish.
Thats why I guarantee you that no matter how harsh the punishment is, people will still commit crimes. Look at how harsh punishments are in Iran. Does it mean that they dont have crime? Or how harsh punishments are in your country, and it still has a crime rate way higher than Europe, where punishments are a lot less severe. What this tells is that people wont be intimidated into submission, and that is as it should be. There is another reason why I touched on the issue of what good does capital punishment do. As I said, you gain nothing from killing a convict. Only a corpse. You can leave him alive and make him work, so at least he can serve of the material part of his debt. Thats not an ideal or an illusion. It can be done, if there is will for it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, June 08, 2009 7:14:41 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
No system is perfect Strat, but it's the best we've got...born and raised in a Christian family, I was taught eye for an eye, although that is pretty hard core if followed through to the letter...there has to be punishment, and that punishment should be harsh enough so that others will think twice before commiting such a crime...the day is long gone when most ppl fear Judgement Day...a lot of ppl don't even believe there is a God (or what ever their Diety may be), so we must protect ourselves as a Society...if I hate my ex-wife and decide to kill her because I know I'll be out in 8-10 years, hell, I can do that standing on my head, what's to stop me...that's bunk!! Punishment is to hold a person accountable for their actions as well as keep order, it's two-fold...there are plenty of guilty beyond a reasonable doubt to fill our prisons, no shortage in that department...I wish it wouldn't come to this in the first place, but it's an imperfect system in an imperfect world Strat...but it's the best we've got...especially in a country with a Constitutional Right to bear arms...
_strat_ wrote:
Good afternoon Ron...
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
That could very well be. Living in a more rural area would certainly explain it. HA!!!! I thought bagels were everywhere!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Maybe is cos we live out of cities etc - yes loads of Jewish ppl - but i guess we just eat different - more 'off the land' - is why we're so healthy.....lol
Deep Freeze wrote:
Seriously???? Don't you have a large population of Jewish folks there??? Strange indeed!!!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Good day sir - would u believe bagels are pretty new over here? Deb only tried 'em in the past week - lol
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning!!! NEED coffee!!!! And perhaps a bagel and a schmear! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Been "out" for a couple days. I have missed you all!
Well, the jury and a judge are not fundamentaly right. And if we go to court, there is always the problem of justice... A rich guy can afford a good lawyer that will get him off the hook, no matter what he did. If you are poor, youre screwed. Besides, I was also saying that nobody should have the right to decide wheter somebody should live or die. The murderer took that right, yes. But it doesnt mean that anyone should be legally able to do the same.
If you only take the cases where there is absolutely no doubt... Well, you are not going to have a lot of them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, June 08, 2009 5:50:52 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...
In my eyes, revenge would be to zip-tie the murderer's hands and leave him in a room with the victim's family for a while...
To appease the public?...it's an issue of the brutal crime with paying for his existence...a cost issue...
In the States, a jury of Peers or a Judge (the defendant has the choice of which) decides a person's guilt and their sentence...
I'm only talking talking of cases where there is absolutely NO DOUBT of their guilt...not the probability of...
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
I second MG... All that just flew past me, and the only thing I understand is that you are not going to stop saying soccer. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:50:48 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry, can't do that either thanks to the linguistic phenomenon known as a "cultism."
In any language, when a popular word conflicts with another causing confusion among the (usually illiterate / ill-educated) population, it either does not evolve as it should or it is replaced by another term. I could give you a number of examples in Spanish, Portuguese and French but think of your own language and irregular verbs. Verbs with irregular past participles. Mis-pronounced words that are wrong but are still common.
Cultisms are quite common in religious terms. They "stagnate" due to the "cultos" use. Dipthongs don't compact, vowels open. Terms change meaning. One of the only reasons that we have theories as to how Latin sounded (only theories) is thanks to some who tried to correct popular pronunciation and usage. TENERUM not TENREUM.
Look it up. I ain't kidding! LOL!!!! Football here now refers to the "gridiron" game. Ingrained into the popular mentality. As such, it will never go back. Even if we DO also play rugby!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, ok, ok, OK... I suppose they didnt invent the language, since languages develop (as you had to point out... Smartypants...), but they did pass it on to their North American colonies, through... Well, colonists. So basicaly, you are a Brit, and you better start calling the sport football!
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! Hold your horses there, chief. The English did NOT "invent" the West Germanic language commonly called "English." LOL!!
Sorry, gots' ta call ya on a basic "evolution of language" / etymology truism. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:21:40 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, English did invent the language as a whole... But in any case... I use "football" because thats how I was taught when I was learning English. And it seems that everyone who learns English as a foreign language is taught the same. Which explains why we (combined with the Brits) get pissed when you call our holy ceremony a nerdy name like soccer.
As for the pitch vs. field and elevator vs. lift... I dont know. Frankly, I thought that in both cases, both words apply in American English, and English English.
guidogodoy wrote:
I never said the English didn't. Only that they invented the term. There is an accent in Spanish, too: fútbol. There are also other countries that still refer to the sport as "soccer." I only named two.
How is it that no one gets mad about calling it a "field" vs. "pitch?" Why no major issues between "elevator" and "lift" for that matter?
_strat_ wrote:
Tell it to this guy:
And just for the record... I am ignorant of the history of the term, but I do know that Brits (as well as Irish) call it football now. And the word echoes in German "Fußball", Serbian "Fudbal" and Spanish "Futbol", which all refer to the same sport, the one that Americans and Canadians call... ugh... "Soccer"...
Hmm... Well, as I said, I am against capital punishment. Heres why: justice is justice and revenge is revenge. Capital punishment is about revenge, not justice. Sorry, but I dont see how or why should we support the "eye for an eye" logic, and think of ourselves as a modern and at least a remotely tolerant society.
The thing about killing a convict is first of all that it only serves to appease the public. He killed = he was killed. But thats all. Besides that, death penalty doesnt serve anything at all. If you keep him/her in prison for life, and get him to work, then we have something. Maybe put a part of his earnings to the family of the victim? All that fails if you simply strap him on an electric chair, to the amusement of sadistic cop thugs.
That, and I already feel uncomfortable enough knowing that the only armed force in the country is under state control. To have state decide who lives and who dies, hell to have anybody decide that, would be too much.
And there is the issue of certainty. I guess in certain cases it is clear beyond a shadow of a doubt who was the murderer. But in many cases it isnt. A couple of years ago we had a case, where a man was released from prison. He was charged with murder, and already served of some 20 years (I think), when new evidence came to light, and shown that he was innocent. Sure, he lost 20 years in prison, and that is terrible. But, if he was sentenced to death, what then?
Well, ok, ok, OK... I suppose they didnt invent the language, since languages develop (as you had to point out... Smartypants...), but they did pass it on to their North American colonies, through... Well, colonists. So basicaly, you are a Brit, and you better start calling the sport football! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:30:35 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! Hold your horses there, chief. The English did NOT "invent" the West Germanic language commonly called "English." LOL!!
Sorry, gots' ta call ya on a basic "evolution of language" / etymology truism. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:21:40 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, English did invent the language as a whole... But in any case... I use "football" because thats how I was taught when I was learning English. And it seems that everyone who learns English as a foreign language is taught the same. Which explains why we (combined with the Brits) get pissed when you call our holy ceremony a nerdy name like soccer.
As for the pitch vs. field and elevator vs. lift... I dont know. Frankly, I thought that in both cases, both words apply in American English, and English English.
guidogodoy wrote:
I never said the English didn't. Only that they invented the term. There is an accent in Spanish, too: fútbol. There are also other countries that still refer to the sport as "soccer." I only named two.
How is it that no one gets mad about calling it a "field" vs. "pitch?" Why no major issues between "elevator" and "lift" for that matter?
_strat_ wrote:
Tell it to this guy:
And just for the record... I am ignorant of the history of the term, but I do know that Brits (as well as Irish) call it football now. And the word echoes in German "Fußball", Serbian "Fudbal" and Spanish "Futbol", which all refer to the same sport, the one that Americans and Canadians call... ugh... "Soccer"...
Well, English did invent the language as a whole... But in any case... I use "football" because thats how I was taught when I was learning English. And it seems that everyone who learns English as a foreign language is taught the same. Which explains why we (combined with the Brits) get pissed when you call our holy ceremony a nerdy name like soccer.
As for the pitch vs. field and elevator vs. lift... I dont know. Frankly, I thought that in both cases, both words apply in American English, and English English.
I never said the English didn't. Only that they invented the term. There is an accent in Spanish, too: fútbol. There are also other countries that still refer to the sport as "soccer." I only named two.
How is it that no one gets mad about calling it a "field" vs. "pitch?" Why no major issues between "elevator" and "lift" for that matter?
_strat_ wrote:
Tell it to this guy:
And just for the record... I am ignorant of the history of the term, but I do know that Brits (as well as Irish) call it football now. And the word echoes in German "Fußball", Serbian "Fudbal" and Spanish "Futbol", which all refer to the same sport, the one that Americans and Canadians call... ugh... "Soccer"...
Lol... Yeah, I know... Just with these people its not good to be sarcastic. Infact, its not good to be within a bootle-throw distance away from them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:15:06 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LMAO I know I was being sarcastic.... LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Another beer is the last thing he needs. Cold water and a tranquiliser.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Good Lord, Yeah he looks like he needs another beer,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Tell it to this guy:
And just for the record... I am ignorant of the history of the term, but I do know that Brits (as well as Irish) call it football now. And the word echoes in German "Fußball", Serbian "Fudbal" and Spanish "Futbol", which all refer to the same sport, the one that Americans and Canadians call... ugh... "Soccer"...
Another beer is the last thing he needs. Cold water and a tranquiliser. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:09:37 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Good Lord, Yeah he looks like he needs another beer,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Tell it to this guy:
And just for the record... I am ignorant of the history of the term, but I do know that Brits (as well as Irish) call it football now. And the word echoes in German "Fußball", Serbian "Fudbal" and Spanish "Futbol", which all refer to the same sport, the one that Americans and Canadians call... ugh... "Soccer"...
And just for the record... I am ignorant of the history of the term, but I do know that Brits (as well as Irish) call it football now. And the word echoes in German "Fußball", Serbian "Fudbal" and Spanish "Futbol", which all refer to the same sport, the one that Americans and Canadians call... ugh... "Soccer"... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 07, 2009 5:02:30 PM)
Ok, topic for Euros... European elections closed today. Anyone voted? I didnt, but I was still a bit disapointed when the conservatives won... Oh, well, not that the Euro parliament matters all that much.
But, the bullets will be flying soon, Im sure, so I will just take cover for now. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, June 07, 2009 4:57:14 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Americans are not the only ones. It referred to a "code" of rules and the term "soccer" actually started in England. Referred to the "association" of people who followed this established set of rules often distinguished from Rugby Football rules.
Canada is one of the next biggest countries to refer to this established set of rules as soccer.
Obviously, I've had this question before...
Matchova wrote:
That americans call football soccer - why is that?!? Football is supposed to be balls played by the foot,no?!?!
Well, yeah, but the point I was trying to make is that in their case, rehabilitation is not a priority. just keeping them apart from the rest of society is. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, June 06, 2009 11:22:52 AM)
Head banger wrote:
they should pay, some treat it as a free hotel.
_strat_ wrote:
Absolutely. The decapitation freak and Fritzl are two exapmles of people who, in my opinion, should stay behind bars for life. Working or not, just stay there.
I remember seeing a very interesting TV report from Iceland (I think it was Iceland), where they have a prison where they actualy let inmates out to go to work, and see their families. Of course, if they behave, and its only for the light cases, but it was said that it works surprisingly well. And they ahve to pay for their "stay" in the prison themselves.
Head banger wrote:
Exactly, make them feel usefull, make them used to working, and lessen their cost to society. They are not slaves, they are paying their debt. Work keeps them in condition to work, keeps the idea in their head, busy hands dont have as much time to get into trouble so less crime in prison. in this manner some sentances could be reduced, for minor things, and some basic skills can be learned. in time, the cost of law enforcement to society can be reduced, lowering taxes, benefiting the economy for all, so there is less poverty, which helps reduce crime. win win.
sure there are the ocasional ones who are too dangerous to let out anywhere for any reason, but at least 80% of prisoners are capable of working under supervision.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein Edited at: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:40:32 AM
Absolutely. The decapitation freak and Fritzl are two exapmles of people who, in my opinion, should stay behind bars for life. Working or not, just stay there.
I remember seeing a very interesting TV report from Iceland (I think it was Iceland), where they have a prison where they actualy let inmates out to go to work, and see their families. Of course, if they behave, and its only for the light cases, but it was said that it works surprisingly well. And they ahve to pay for their "stay" in the prison themselves. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:00:41 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Exactly, make them feel usefull, make them used to working, and lessen their cost to society. They are not slaves, they are paying their debt. Work keeps them in condition to work, keeps the idea in their head, busy hands dont have as much time to get into trouble so less crime in prison. in this manner some sentances could be reduced, for minor things, and some basic skills can be learned. in time, the cost of law enforcement to society can be reduced, lowering taxes, benefiting the economy for all, so there is less poverty, which helps reduce crime. win win.
sure there are the ocasional ones who are too dangerous to let out anywhere for any reason, but at least 80% of prisoners are capable of working under supervision.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein Edited at: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:40:32 AM
Pity. I was hoping Id go someplace warm after I die. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, June 06, 2009 8:01:10 AM)
Head banger wrote:
hell has frozen over, we agree.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actually. I am against both capital punishment and slave labour, but putting them to work like everyone else is a great idea. Not just that they would actualy serve their debt to the society, I think that it would help to turn prisons from criminal academies (which they are now) into real rehabilitation institutions, where people would actualy learn how to live like a normal member of a society. Benefits all around, I think.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein Edited at: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:40:32 AM
Well, yeah, and we knew that when we went to the polls. The idea was that we are voting the lesser of two evils - and we were. Its jsut that they could have done a bit more, despite everything.
Anyway, as for your prime minister, if he accepted bribes, then I think its only right that he answers for it. Especialy if he was still in the office (which is not clear, if I got it right). Personaly I would give him a year of prison at least for the "whats wrong with taking envelopes of money" thing. Busted is busted, you dont have to be an arrogant ass about it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
Head banger wrote:
our former PM is accused of coruption. he suposedly took envelopes of cash (200 grand or so) from a lobyist to work with him during his last days in office. he says he took them after he left office, and whats wrong with taking envelopes of cash anyway? then he didnt pay taxes on them till this guy was arested and spilled the beans... slimy bastard
strat EVERY govt is a disapointment, we just have to try to find the least disapointing.
_strat_ wrote:
At least he was out. Our (now former) prime minister was accused of corruption more times than I can think of. From selling weapons to buying them. From subduing the national TV to newspapers. All sorts of shit, and he never even got trialed for it.
As far as elections are concerned... They will see me on referendums. On elections - never, ever again. Ive been twice, voted for a head of state and for a government party - both a disapointment.
Head banger wrote:
we had a convicted pedofile run for city council here. his sister found out and tiped the press off. his wife was still with him and had 5 more kids with him after he got out of jail. I used to live 4 houses from him, never knew.
he tried to blame the press too. dredging up unimportant issues. WTF? got my only letter to the editor published over that. if you cant trust the people you elect, for christ sakes dont elect them. he ended up droping out of the race.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, its not just Portugal, trust me... Not much better here. No paedophiles in the government that I know of, but thats just it... That I know of.
And of course, when a politican screws up on anything - blame the press. It was set up. Commie/Clerofascist journalists (depending on the politicans orientation) set it up. Yup, must be good to be a politician.
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I don't know how it works in the USA, I don't let the little bits of probably contaminated (by gossip) news from your justice department get to me, except for the big cases.
But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats.
Ouch! Thats something. The Black Sabbath one looks the best, imo. And British Steel, of course.
Love the IM one that says "Somewhere in Costa Rica"! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Friday, June 05, 2009 6:57:13 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
HEY STRAT...take a look at this!! this is my evil army of black T-shirts
slayer-megadeth-black sabbath-pantera-mortification and manowar
iron maiden-motorhead-JUDAS PRIEST!!- and running wild
judas priest (the back of the angel of retribution one) gamma ray-iron maiden(the one for the first concert) and the white one has the list of concerts for the second part of the tour in the back (costa rica on march 3erd is on the list!!)
At least he was out. Our (now former) prime minister was accused of corruption more times than I can think of. From selling weapons to buying them. From subduing the national TV to newspapers. All sorts of shit, and he never even got trialed for it.
As far as elections are concerned... They will see me on referendums. On elections - never, ever again. Ive been twice, voted for a head of state and for a government party - both a disapointment. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, June 05, 2009 10:00:14 PM)
Head banger wrote:
we had a convicted pedofile run for city council here. his sister found out and tiped the press off. his wife was still with him and had 5 more kids with him after he got out of jail. I used to live 4 houses from him, never knew.
he tried to blame the press too. dredging up unimportant issues. WTF? got my only letter to the editor published over that. if you cant trust the people you elect, for christ sakes dont elect them. he ended up droping out of the race.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, its not just Portugal, trust me... Not much better here. No paedophiles in the government that I know of, but thats just it... That I know of.
And of course, when a politican screws up on anything - blame the press. It was set up. Commie/Clerofascist journalists (depending on the politicans orientation) set it up. Yup, must be good to be a politician.
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I don't know how it works in the USA, I don't let the little bits of probably contaminated (by gossip) news from your justice department get to me, except for the big cases.
But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats.
I agree, actually. I am against both capital punishment and slave labour, but putting them to work like everyone else is a great idea. Not just that they would actualy serve their debt to the society, I think that it would help to turn prisons from criminal academies (which they are now) into real rehabilitation institutions, where people would actualy learn how to live like a normal member of a society. Benefits all around, I think. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:32:28 AM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
If those whom are incarcerated were to prove their productivity to society, would it not be feasible, then, to somehow utilize their strengths by setting up work and labor camps to generate a pseudo penitentiary economy? By paying off their debt to society by being involved in much needed but costly programs such as infrastructure projects, housing and commercial development, snow removal, trash pick up, road repair, etc? All jurisdictions are lashing at out at the high price of wages, union dues, labor shortages, and work projects that never seem to have the necessary funding or manpower to take the architects blueprint past the developmental stages. But when you have a relatively young labor force sitting in a priosn cell for X amount of years, would it not be prudent, and cost effective, to use their time, skills, and ability to serve the populice by contributing to society in a productive manner? I'm certainly not insinuating slave labor. However, instead of locking them up, throwing away the key, and letting them sit, rot, and decay, then why not use their best years either physiclaly or mentally to effectually better the economy around them by invloving them directly in work. Not study, not weight training programs, and certainly not useless psychological imprisonment. Recall Shawshank Redemption? Any work that was available to the inmates was highly coveted. A man feels like a man when he is productive with either his hands or his mind. In this manner, the inmate can begin to pay his debt to society in a productive and impactful fashion. Any thoughts on this? a. Hammerstein Edited at: Saturday, June 06, 2009 12:40:32 AM
Oh, its not just Portugal, trust me... Not much better here. No paedophiles in the government that I know of, but thats just it... That I know of.
And of course, when a politican screws up on anything - blame the press. It was set up. Commie/Clerofascist journalists (depending on the politicans orientation) set it up. Yup, must be good to be a politician. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:27:51 PM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
I don't know how it works in the USA, I don't let the little bits of probably contaminated (by gossip) news from your justice department get to me, except for the big cases.
But I'll give you an example on how that law would be good if applied here in Portugal.
According to our legislation and the way justice is applied and enforced, we have no death sentence and no life emprisonment, our maximum sentence is 20 years. No one even stays for more than 10 since parole always comes in and perfectly good candidates to psychopats come out freely yet again.
For the last... 5 or 6 years we've had a tremendous judicial scandal here in Portugal, involving a pedophilia network that was dismanteled, and which had links to people high up in Political and Entertainment powers. To start with, only the one sicko who had no connections and back up got jailed, since all the others either denied it or have been absolved yet. Few were those that actually saw their freedom diminuished. Christ, PEDOPHILIA should be high up with murder. These people however, will be walking in the streets again soon, one of them has already seen his sentence diminuished.
This raises a question, as I see things:
Why sentence people to a certain time in jail, when the REAL time they spend there doesn't even make to half of what was planned?
I think this undermines judicial authority, who is already limp as it is, without having all the corruption (our biggest richess consumer) weaken it further. Again, I'm talking about Portugal, where our Prime Minister's former Ministry (The Environment, for ultimate irony), BURNED and DESTROYED all documents from the time when he was Minister, back in the 1990s. Then the #%"& comes out inbroad daylight smiling andsaying it's those "bad" journalists (he's been attacking the press as well with law suits, noticing any hints of where this is going?)
I'm sorry for the rant, but I needed to use the moment to tell foreign people what has been going on, to check whether it is me or the country that have gone mad as bats.
Oh yeah, I remember that case. The beheading thing, I mean.
Now, if the dude sits out just one year... I seriously dont know what to think about that. Then again, I dont suppose I should be surprised either. But... The fact is, he did what he did, he is mad, and I think that prison for life is the only thing that will do.
I mean, that kind of a case is not a murder that was done with a purpose. In some cases, I guess, a murderer kills only a single person, and probably wont kill anybody ever again, even if he/she doesnt even get punished for it (although he/she should be). In this case, the guy went berserk on a bus, and at a random victim. He is dangerous to everyone, and has to be phisycaly separated from everyone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:24:02 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I guess the part that bothers me the most, about murder/death penalty,, Is by reason of Insanity.,...that part I hate
I watched a man confess, confess to doing a murder once, was one of the most chilling things I have ever had to see,,
I ran the video equip for the police dept in Montana, while they were interviewing him..
His excuse He was high on crack. To me thats another one, I dont care is you feel insane or do drugs.. Murder is murder in my book..
And 40 years does not mean 20 will be served... It means Prob 5-8 will be served,, Prison overcrowding is a huge problem, you would crap your pants if the stat's were released on the real information...
I live about 25 minutes from Selkirk Manitoba, were the the now Infamous Vince Lee lives..
Anyone that has not heard of him???? He stabbed be-headed and then ATE, part of Timothy Mcleans body on a grey hound bus, on July 30th, last summer.. He will serve 1 year,, why???????? you ask... because the poor baby forgot to take his Psyco Meds, and went nutz on the bus, and this kid happend to be sitting by him...
I wish the swat team would have shot him right between the eyes when he held up the head of this young man, for all onlong the highway to see, through the bus window...
as you can see this is a topic that pisses me off,
Now, a few months ago I would say that the idea is bad, and parole is a good idea... For those who deserve it, anyway... Till the Fritzl trial (the Austrian maniac, Im sure youve heard of him), when it was said that he may get out of jail alive... Sorry, but in that case, lock him up, throw away the key, period. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, June 05, 2009 5:02:21 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
All that means is that if a person is convicted and sentenced to 40 yrs., they have to actually serve the 40 yr. sentence...otherwise, they could be out in 20.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, I see. Thanks. Now I also know what Coverdale meant when he sang that he is "Guilty of love in the first degree."
Now, if I get back to the first post on the subject, I cant say that I dont like the idea... A bit unhumanistic, I guess, but so is murdering someone in the first place.
ronhartsell wrote:
Are there different degrees of murder?
Yes, there are varying degrees of murder, and different states define these degrees differently.
First-degree murder is the most serious form of murder. In most states, it is categorized as "deliberate" - that is, the defendant made a clear-headed decision to kill the victim; "premeditated" - the defendant actually thought about the killing before it occurred (the period for this can be very brief); and "with malice"- doing a harmful act without just cause or legal excuse. So if someone decides to kill a business rival who is attempting a corporate takeover, gets a gun, waits for the victim in a deserted parking garage, and shoots him, that killing would have all the elements of first-degree murder. If, on the other hand, the competitors get in a fight when the rival announces his intentions to take over the other man's business, and the second man picks up something and hits the rival with it, causing his death, that is not likely to be first-degree murder. The killer did not plan or make a decision to kill in advance.
Some states consider killings committed in specific way to be first-degree murder. Although these vary by state, they can include killing by poison, by lying in wait, and by torture. States may also presume malice if the killing is done with a deadly weapon.
Second-degree murder is killing another with malice - doing a harmful act without just cause or legal excuse - but without premeditation or deliberation. In other words, this means intentionally killing someone without planning to do so in advance. So, if a person becomes angry, walks over to a desk where he keeps a legal weapon for defense, takes out the gun and shoots the other, that may be second-degree murder. There was no plan or advance decision to kill, but the act of taking out the gun and shooting was intentional.
Felony murder is a killing that happens during the course of the commission of a felony. Even a death that is an accident, will be considered felony murder by most states if it happens while a felony is being committed. For example, if someone becomes frightened and falls down a flight of stairs during a robbery, that would be felony murder in some states, even though the death was accidental and the robber did not mean to cause the death. If 3 people are involved in robbing a bank and one of them shoots a guard, against the wishes of the others, all 3 would be guilty of felony murder, since they willingly participated in the felony.
If the killing happens during certain felonies, determined by the state, it will be considered first-degree felony murder. The felonies most often included in this category are arson, robbery, burglary, rape, mayhem and kidnapping.
_strat_ wrote:
This might be a good time for a question... What is this thing with degrees in murders? Ive heard it lots of times, but just what is that all about?
Head banger wrote:
The Conservative government is introducing legislation to repeal the so-called `faint hope' clause from the Criminal Code. If passed into law, the legislation would mean that anyone convicted of first- or second-degree murder would no longer be able to apply for early parole.
Ah, I see. Thanks. Now I also know what Coverdale meant when he sang that he is "Guilty of love in the first degree."
Now, if I get back to the first post on the subject, I cant say that I dont like the idea... A bit unhumanistic, I guess, but so is murdering someone in the first place. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, June 05, 2009 4:53:10 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Are there different degrees of murder?
Yes, there are varying degrees of murder, and different states define these degrees differently.
First-degree murder is the most serious form of murder. In most states, it is categorized as "deliberate" - that is, the defendant made a clear-headed decision to kill the victim; "premeditated" - the defendant actually thought about the killing before it occurred (the period for this can be very brief); and "with malice"- doing a harmful act without just cause or legal excuse. So if someone decides to kill a business rival who is attempting a corporate takeover, gets a gun, waits for the victim in a deserted parking garage, and shoots him, that killing would have all the elements of first-degree murder. If, on the other hand, the competitors get in a fight when the rival announces his intentions to take over the other man's business, and the second man picks up something and hits the rival with it, causing his death, that is not likely to be first-degree murder. The killer did not plan or make a decision to kill in advance.
Some states consider killings committed in specific way to be first-degree murder. Although these vary by state, they can include killing by poison, by lying in wait, and by torture. States may also presume malice if the killing is done with a deadly weapon.
Second-degree murder is killing another with malice - doing a harmful act without just cause or legal excuse - but without premeditation or deliberation. In other words, this means intentionally killing someone without planning to do so in advance. So, if a person becomes angry, walks over to a desk where he keeps a legal weapon for defense, takes out the gun and shoots the other, that may be second-degree murder. There was no plan or advance decision to kill, but the act of taking out the gun and shooting was intentional.
Felony murder is a killing that happens during the course of the commission of a felony. Even a death that is an accident, will be considered felony murder by most states if it happens while a felony is being committed. For example, if someone becomes frightened and falls down a flight of stairs during a robbery, that would be felony murder in some states, even though the death was accidental and the robber did not mean to cause the death. If 3 people are involved in robbing a bank and one of them shoots a guard, against the wishes of the others, all 3 would be guilty of felony murder, since they willingly participated in the felony.
If the killing happens during certain felonies, determined by the state, it will be considered first-degree felony murder. The felonies most often included in this category are arson, robbery, burglary, rape, mayhem and kidnapping.
_strat_ wrote:
This might be a good time for a question... What is this thing with degrees in murders? Ive heard it lots of times, but just what is that all about?
Head banger wrote:
The Conservative government is introducing legislation to repeal the so-called `faint hope' clause from the Criminal Code. If passed into law, the legislation would mean that anyone convicted of first- or second-degree murder would no longer be able to apply for early parole.
This might be a good time for a question... What is this thing with degrees in murders? Ive heard it lots of times, but just what is that all about? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, June 05, 2009 12:29:13 PM)
Head banger wrote:
The Conservative government is introducing legislation to repeal the so-called `faint hope' clause from the Criminal Code. If passed into law, the legislation would mean that anyone convicted of first- or second-degree murder would no longer be able to apply for early parole.
Good afternoon. Coffee - get in the line. Grasshopper? Frankly, the first time I hear about it. Im sure Guido will laugh hi ass off, but there it is. Never been much of a Kung Fu movies fan myself. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 05, 2009 9:43:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning and Happy Friday to one and all!!!!! Sorry I missed you, MG!! NEEEEEEEED coffee!!!!!!!
I saw all the posts and pics about David Carradine and his role in Kung Fu. I really LOVED that show. Does anyone here remember the segment in which he received the nickname "grasshopper"? Nice bit of easy trivia!
Portable? Well, its not big... Maybe it runs on batteries? IDK... Just be quick. Then its my turn for a shot. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, June 05, 2009 9:29:12 AM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
YES thank you is it portable????? I can drag it with me everywhere today...
Just jumping in (late, as usual. Am sorry about that) to congratulate Ron and the new graduate... I dont know how it goes in the US, but if its anything like here, then I hope you will take the opportunity to enjoy yourselves to the max.
No problem, no problem... Notice how I left HB out... Ooops! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Thursday, June 04, 2009 5:04:42 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL.,,, Why thank you Strat,,,
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that makes three not-asses.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Pardon??????? LOL
Me and Lady B are in Canada!
LMAO
Necroticist wrote:
LOL - goes to prove that not ALL Canadians are asses.....
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
NICE CHOICE ...'2112' AND 'HEMISPHERES' ARE PROBABLY MY TWO FAVOURITES.
I think they already payed... Or will. Moamer is trying to get on somebodies good side. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, June 04, 2009 7:17:28 AM)
Head banger wrote:
your right actualy, I forgot about that, that one wasnt canadian anyway. guess the law wouldnt have mattered. would have to involve canada, take off or plot here.
lybia agreed to pay, hum. wonder if they will. why would they?
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I thought Lybia was sued allready, and had to pay a restitution to the familes.. it was in the millions.. IDK??
But I did see a program on the tele regard that flight/situation. about 3 days ago.. Over Scotland.
Head banger wrote:
so... new topic
the canadian govt has passed a law which alows it to identify countries as sponsors of terrorism. ok, fair enough. they also alow victims of terrorism to sue these nations. WTF? so I could say sue lybia if my brother was one killed on the plane they blew up??? what are the odds of colection???
You said it again... Im thinking of a way to hire him to sing at your house. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, June 03, 2009 4:40:47 PM)
As we get closer to the release of Forged Steel I am drawn to remember so many wonderful moments that went into BOTH of these recordings. The joy and happiness that I personally received from all of this is truly a gift that I will forever cherish. As a small token of my appreciation, I have uploaded one song from the new album so that you all can take a listen and know what is coming!!!! I do hope you enjoy it as much as we did when we played it!! Thank you all!!!!!
As we get closer to the release of Forged Steel I am drawn to remember so many wonderful moments that went into BOTH of these recordings. The joy and happiness that I personally received from all of this is truly a gift that I will forever cherish. As a small token of my appreciation, I have uploaded one song from the new album so that you all can take a listen and know what is coming!!!! I do hope you enjoy it as much as we did when we played it!! Thank you all!!!!!
In any case, Stratocaster is the coolest guitar ever. Phantom isnt bad either:) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Wednesday, June 03, 2009 5:57:24 AM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Ha!! What's about yourself _strat_ huh??
_strat_ wrote:
Imagine that! Naming yourself after a guitar! Who would have done such a thing?
You dont want Strat to see it. That guy is a freak.
Cool pic, tho! From a website, no? I saw a website where you can upload your pic and have it inserted into all kinds of stuff. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Tuesday, June 02, 2009 8:56:42 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I knew youd like that one.. wait till Strat see it... LMAO
ronhartsell wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Too bad we don't have audio between us on the Board!!!!!!!!!
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Okay Heres me at work............... NOT!!!!!!!! BUAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Well, I have a Defenders of the Faith one. And thats it... Well, in any case, I prefer just flat out black, no stuff on it... Motto: "I wear black until I find something darker."
With that, I have to bid you goodnight. Lots of stuff to do in the morning, and Im already staying up late.
haha...guess what...I have the one with the british steel cover...sorry...
and the one with the screaming for vengeance and sad wings of destiny...I didn't buy the one with the painkiller because I was short that day...and now it's gone...
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I understand... Id kill for a British Steel T Shirt (my all time fav album cover), but I cant find it anywhere... And I know they have to have it somewhere... Ive seen people wear it.
Well, anyway, good luck in the search... AOR has an awesome cover too, and I bet the shirt must look great.
paorcamp wrote:
hehe...thanks strat...it's a shame I've found almost every t- shirt I wanted but I can't find the one of Angel of Retribution...
_strat_ wrote:
Aw! A Running Wild T-Shirt?!?! You bastard... Me wants one!
Very cool pics!
paorcamp wrote:
well...that's the first time I see becks's and vail's face...nice meeting you girls!!
I decided to show up...that's me!
this one is before my friend tati left to the US...I was wearing my Live after death (IM) t-shirt
then this one is one of the days we were celebrating my birthday (it lasted a week!!)...with my running wild t-shirt...my friends never take pictures when I wear a JP shirt :(
Oh, I understand... Id kill for a British Steel T Shirt (my all time fav album cover), but I cant find it anywhere... And I know they have to have it somewhere... Ive seen people wear it.
Well, anyway, good luck in the search... AOR has an awesome cover too, and I bet the shirt must look great. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Tuesday, June 02, 2009 5:18:29 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
hehe...thanks strat...it's a shame I've found almost every t- shirt I wanted but I can't find the one of Angel of Retribution...
_strat_ wrote:
Aw! A Running Wild T-Shirt?!?! You bastard... Me wants one!
Very cool pics!
paorcamp wrote:
well...that's the first time I see becks's and vail's face...nice meeting you girls!!
I decided to show up...that's me!
this one is before my friend tati left to the US...I was wearing my Live after death (IM) t-shirt
then this one is one of the days we were celebrating my birthday (it lasted a week!!)...with my running wild t-shirt...my friends never take pictures when I wear a JP shirt :(
Imagine that! Naming yourself after a guitar! Who would have done such a thing? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:18:59 PM)
well...that's the first time I see becks's and vail's face...nice meeting you girls!!
I decided to show up...that's me!
this one is before my friend tati left to the US...I was wearing my Live after death (IM) t-shirt
then this one is one of the days we were celebrating my birthday (it lasted a week!!)...with my running wild t-shirt...my friends never take pictures when I wear a JP shirt :(
Nope, you didnt miss me... Im always lurking! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, June 01, 2009 8:33:51 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
A very good morning to all. I see I missed strat...AGAIN! I have not heard from Darth since his interview. I suppose I should just give him a call and see how it went. It is very saddening to see so many suffer in these difficult times. It makes the Princess and I all the more thankful, even though I do not work any longer. I know how hard it can be and I do feel for all of you.
If I can offer ANY real advice at all for those that are working currently, it would be that you make CERTAIN you are well insured!! Check your benefits package and, if they offer long term coverage and permenant covergae...TAKE IT!! The cost is minimal and the rewrad is GREAT. NO ONE knows what will happpen tomorrow. Regardless of the position you hold, please be sure you are well covered!
Oh, yes, he said so... Damit, unemployment rate on this board is soaring (am at home now - job expired, and it looks like they wont be needing me again for months). Yeah, I hope it works out for him too. I guess he will be allright, tho. He knows alot about computers, and theres always need for people like that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, June 01, 2009 4:55:48 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
You're right!! lol...he's usually at work by now, crap, I forgot, he lost his job...Ilast I heard he was interviewing for a different job with the same company...I hope it works out for him!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, come to think of it, I havent seen him in a while... Yeah, I hope nothing is wrong. IDK, maybe hes having computer problems? That would be embarrasing for an IT guy... I guess I will report him as MIA in the missing members thread.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat!!...Glad to see you survivrd another weekend...Have you seen Dart Painkiller aropund lately??...he's usually up at this hour with us...hope everything is cool with him...
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning Ron!
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Board...seems like I just fell asleep...oh well...Happy Monday
Well, come to think of it, I havent seen him in a while... Yeah, I hope nothing is wrong. IDK, maybe hes having computer problems? That would be embarrasing for an IT guy... I guess I will report him as MIA in the missing members thread. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, June 01, 2009 4:48:44 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat!!...Glad to see you survivrd another weekend...Have you seen Dart Painkiller aropund lately??...he's usually up at this hour with us...hope everything is cool with him...
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning Ron!
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Board...seems like I just fell asleep...oh well...Happy Monday
Well, I guess you would know as a connoisseur of dead things.
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. Thats just the tan of the undead. Britney is as clean as can be - even when dead. How many people can say that?
spapad wrote:
I did notice she was a bit dirty. You think after climbing out of the celebrity grave she' s been in forever now, she could have at least "clean up a bit". HA!!
guitardude wrote:
A little soap and water , along with a file will take care of her !!!
_strat_ wrote:
Bah! None of you are any match for the pop princess vampire!
Oh, now be a good dog and bring me a pizza... Come on, you know you want to! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Sunday, May 31, 2009 1:29:52 PM)
Nope. Thats just the tan of the undead. Britney is as clean as can be - even when dead. How many people can say that? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 31, 2009 4:28:36 PM)
spapad wrote:
I did notice she was a bit dirty. You think after climbing out of the celebrity grave she' s been in forever now, she could have at least "clean up a bit". HA!!
guitardude wrote:
A little soap and water , along with a file will take care of her !!!
_strat_ wrote:
Bah! None of you are any match for the pop princess vampire!
I join in the rant against Axl. I dont know much about the new Guns, and even tho I liked the original lineup well enough... He is still a poser and a mediocre singer at best.
Well, considering his size, it doesnt seem very wise to irritate him... Lol... And yeah, the pic is cool, the look says it all: "Damit Rob, wheres your sense of rythm!" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, May 29, 2009 3:03:30 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Yes that would be Scott in the studio getting irritated,, which Iam guessing doesnt take much...
I love that pic..
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!!! Facepalming and eyrolling! Thats a masterpiece!(Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Friday, May 29, 2009 2:56:12 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Face Palming/Eyerolling.. I tell you its a must!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL
_strat_ wrote:
Diamond Jim wrote:
I hear their looking for a "moderator/cheerleader" at the Saxon site, you interested? lol ! ! ! ! rofl ! ! ! ! lol ! ! ! !
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
hummmm I thought I already said that we needed one,or are you too stupid to remember that? Or are you that stupid to retain the information?Oh yeah, you are.
Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .........deeeeeeeeeee......errrrrrrrr my name is Diamond Jim and I can't remember what things J.D. is saying to me......errr...er....errrrrrr LOMFL!!!
God this guy is not to bright.........
Diamond Jim wrote:
Hmmmmm...thought you wanted a new webmaster....make up your mind.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah,nice design for the forum.Murray did a great job and style here. Too bad he didn't install a moderator in here to clean out imposters with false accounts. Maybe next time the webmaster will give us a moderator.
LMAO!!! Facepalming and eyrolling! Thats a masterpiece
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
Face Palming/Eyerolling.. I tell you its a must!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ROFL
_strat_ wrote:
Diamond Jim wrote:
I hear their looking for a "moderator/cheerleader" at the Saxon site, you interested? lol ! ! ! ! rofl ! ! ! ! lol ! ! ! !
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
hummmm I thought I already said that we needed one,or are you too stupid to remember that? Or are you that stupid to retain the information?Oh yeah, you are.
Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .........deeeeeeeeeee......errrrrrrrr my name is Diamond Jim and I can't remember what things J.D. is saying to me......errr...er....errrrrrr LOMFL!!!
God this guy is not to bright.........
Diamond Jim wrote:
Hmmmmm...thought you wanted a new webmaster....make up your mind.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah,nice design for the forum.Murray did a great job and style here. Too bad he didn't install a moderator in here to clean out imposters with false accounts. Maybe next time the webmaster will give us a moderator.
I hear their looking for a "moderator/cheerleader" at the Saxon site, you interested? lol ! ! ! ! rofl ! ! ! ! lol ! ! ! !
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
hummmm I thought I already said that we needed one,or are you too stupid to remember that? Or are you that stupid to retain the information?Oh yeah, you are.
Drrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .........deeeeeeeeeee......errrrrrrrr my name is Diamond Jim and I can't remember what things J.D. is saying to me......errr...er....errrrrrr LOMFL!!!
God this guy is not to bright.........
Diamond Jim wrote:
Hmmmmm...thought you wanted a new webmaster....make up your mind.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah,nice design for the forum.Murray did a great job and style here. Too bad he didn't install a moderator in here to clean out imposters with false accounts. Maybe next time the webmaster will give us a moderator.
Watch all you want... Youre still too fat for me, still to fat for me... Seriously, I am running aout of Candidates. I had a thought about getting you and HB together, but since you dont seem to like hockey very much, I let it go. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:39:11 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ohhhh I am watching. I am watching you both..........
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!!!
Lol... Yup, I guess thats what its like when Freeze turns his back for a few minutes...
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....for some strange reason, a song comes to mind. Not a Priest tune either, rather, a polka. Swap genders:
Lol... Yup, I guess thats what its like when Freeze turns his back for a few minutes... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, May 28, 2009 12:21:01 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....for some strange reason, a song comes to mind. Not a Priest tune either, rather, a polka. Swap genders:
You do know what happens when you "assume," don't you?
_strat_ wrote:
Phew... Gold digger... Away with you! I will let Guido take you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Well, if you were to ask a few of my detractors you might find that I have "no life" and so there really is nothing more "dire" to annoy me!!! HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Oh, and as far as 'marrying' you...please send a list itemizing your dowry. Maybe we can work it out.......
_strat_ wrote:
You like me? Thats it. Meet me in Sweden, we are getting married!
Oh, and if you would be pissed for something a bit more dire than another thread, then Im sure it would be a big deal... Well, a bigger deal, anyway...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's quite true. In fact, any member can create a Thread and many do so. Not a problem. Good, bad. I do not care. I have complained for YEARS and it goes on and on. Pissing me off is NO big deal around here. Heck, YOU piss me off all the time and I still like you.......HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Dont you dare pick up another ignore! We are tied at 17 right now and I wont put up with you outignoring me!
Bad enough that HB is better than me...
Seriously, tho... I think that the person who creates those threads is a very good member. Creates threads about Priest, that actualy remind us that we are on a Priest site, even tho I have to admit that I dont participate in them regulary.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL strat.... yes and the same person keeps creating these threads.. There I said it... Prob pick up another ignore.. But I dont care.. LMAO
_strat_ wrote:
You mean the "apology to Ripper" thread? IDK... I think theres nothing wrong with it...
On the other hand, Im glad that your back to your old self again!
Deep Freeze wrote:
ANOTHER STUPID friggin Thread to ask another STUPID, MORONIC question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT is what is PISSING me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and people that CONTINUE to respond in said Thread , thereby lending it credence AND encouraging the nimrod that does it over and over to do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phew... Gold digger... Away with you! I will let Guido take you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 28, 2009 10:03:00 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Well, if you were to ask a few of my detractors you might find that I have "no life" and so there really is nothing more "dire" to annoy me!!! HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Oh, and as far as 'marrying' you...please send a list itemizing your dowry. Maybe we can work it out.......
_strat_ wrote:
You like me? Thats it. Meet me in Sweden, we are getting married!
Oh, and if you would be pissed for something a bit more dire than another thread, then Im sure it would be a big deal... Well, a bigger deal, anyway...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's quite true. In fact, any member can create a Thread and many do so. Not a problem. Good, bad. I do not care. I have complained for YEARS and it goes on and on. Pissing me off is NO big deal around here. Heck, YOU piss me off all the time and I still like you.......HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Dont you dare pick up another ignore! We are tied at 17 right now and I wont put up with you outignoring me!
Bad enough that HB is better than me...
Seriously, tho... I think that the person who creates those threads is a very good member. Creates threads about Priest, that actualy remind us that we are on a Priest site, even tho I have to admit that I dont participate in them regulary.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL strat.... yes and the same person keeps creating these threads.. There I said it... Prob pick up another ignore.. But I dont care.. LMAO
_strat_ wrote:
You mean the "apology to Ripper" thread? IDK... I think theres nothing wrong with it...
On the other hand, Im glad that your back to your old self again!
Deep Freeze wrote:
ANOTHER STUPID friggin Thread to ask another STUPID, MORONIC question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT is what is PISSING me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and people that CONTINUE to respond in said Thread , thereby lending it credence AND encouraging the nimrod that does it over and over to do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Uhm... Let the record show that we scraped the record because it was getting waaay to big. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:52:54 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
And, let the record further show that I identified almost EVERY useless Thread in my post. There is nothing so special about that one.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Let the record show that you identified practicly everything but the name.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Let the record show that you specifically identified a Thread, not me. I am speaking in general terms about ANY Thread which may meet the criteria I described. The last thing I need now is some clueless, bonehead whining at me about insulting him/her over creating ANOTHER useless Thread which, as you pointed out, I can just ignore!!
My "old" self??? Ah yes!! I am baaaaaack!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and VERY well said MG!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:18:18 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
You mean the "apology to Ripper" thread? IDK... I think theres nothing wrong with it...
On the other hand, Im glad that your back to your old self again!
Deep Freeze wrote:
ANOTHER STUPID friggin Thread to ask another STUPID, MORONIC question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT is what is PISSING me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and people that CONTINUE to respond in said Thread , thereby lending it credence AND encouraging the nimrod that does it over and over to do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited at: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35:24 AM Edited at: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:36:38 AM
Some say that is good. I dont know whats wrong with them, but they have a point. Another me would just devalue me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:50:22 AM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LMAO............ ROFL... Gotta Love the Strat man. hes one of kind.. ............... LOL
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's quite true. In fact, any member can create a Thread and many do so. Not a problem. Good, bad. I do not care. I have complained for YEARS and it goes on and on. Pissing me off is NO big deal around here. Heck, YOU piss me off all the time and I still like you.......HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Dont you dare pick up another ignore! We are tied at 17 right now and I wont put up with you outignoring me!
Bad enough that HB is better than me...
Seriously, tho... I think that the person who creates those threads is a very good member. Creates threads about Priest, that actualy remind us that we are on a Priest site, even tho I have to admit that I dont participate in them regulary.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL strat.... yes and the same person keeps creating these threads.. There I said it... Prob pick up another ignore.. But I dont care.. LMAO
_strat_ wrote:
You mean the "apology to Ripper" thread? IDK... I think theres nothing wrong with it...
On the other hand, Im glad that your back to your old self again!
Deep Freeze wrote:
ANOTHER STUPID friggin Thread to ask another STUPID, MORONIC question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT is what is PISSING me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and people that CONTINUE to respond in said Thread , thereby lending it credence AND encouraging the nimrod that does it over and over to do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You like me? Thats it. Meet me in Sweden, we are getting married!
Oh, and if you would be pissed for something a bit more dire than another thread, then Im sure it would be a big deal... Well, a bigger deal, anyway... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:46:58 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's quite true. In fact, any member can create a Thread and many do so. Not a problem. Good, bad. I do not care. I have complained for YEARS and it goes on and on. Pissing me off is NO big deal around here. Heck, YOU piss me off all the time and I still like you.......HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Dont you dare pick up another ignore! We are tied at 17 right now and I wont put up with you outignoring me!
Bad enough that HB is better than me...
Seriously, tho... I think that the person who creates those threads is a very good member. Creates threads about Priest, that actualy remind us that we are on a Priest site, even tho I have to admit that I dont participate in them regulary.
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL strat.... yes and the same person keeps creating these threads.. There I said it... Prob pick up another ignore.. But I dont care.. LMAO
_strat_ wrote:
You mean the "apology to Ripper" thread? IDK... I think theres nothing wrong with it...
On the other hand, Im glad that your back to your old self again!
Deep Freeze wrote:
ANOTHER STUPID friggin Thread to ask another STUPID, MORONIC question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT is what is PISSING me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and people that CONTINUE to respond in said Thread , thereby lending it credence AND encouraging the nimrod that does it over and over to do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol... Let the record show that you identified practicly everything but the name. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:33:58 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Let the record show that you specifically identified a Thread, not me. I am speaking in general terms about ANY Thread which may meet the criteria I described. The last thing I need now is some clueless, bonehead whining at me about insulting him/her over creating ANOTHER useless Thread which, as you pointed out, I can just ignore!!
My "old" self??? Ah yes!! I am baaaaaack!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and VERY well said MG!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:18:18 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
You mean the "apology to Ripper" thread? IDK... I think theres nothing wrong with it...
On the other hand, Im glad that your back to your old self again!
Deep Freeze wrote:
ANOTHER STUPID friggin Thread to ask another STUPID, MORONIC question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT is what is PISSING me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and people that CONTINUE to respond in said Thread , thereby lending it credence AND encouraging the nimrod that does it over and over to do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited at: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:35:24 AM Edited at: Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:36:38 AM
Dont you dare pick up another ignore! We are tied at 17 right now and I wont put up with you outignoring me!
Bad enough that HB is better than me...
Seriously, tho... I think that the person who creates those threads is a very good member. Creates threads about Priest, that actualy remind us that we are on a Priest site, even tho I have to admit that I dont participate in them regulary. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Thursday, May 28, 2009 9:30:28 AM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LOL strat.... yes and the same person keeps creating these threads.. There I said it... Prob pick up another ignore.. But I dont care.. LMAO
_strat_ wrote:
You mean the "apology to Ripper" thread? IDK... I think theres nothing wrong with it...
On the other hand, Im glad that your back to your old self again!
Deep Freeze wrote:
ANOTHER STUPID friggin Thread to ask another STUPID, MORONIC question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT is what is PISSING me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and people that CONTINUE to respond in said Thread , thereby lending it credence AND encouraging the nimrod that does it over and over to do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You mean the "apology to Ripper" thread? IDK... I think theres nothing wrong with it...
On the other hand, Im glad that your back to your old self again! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 28, 2009 8:08:55 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
ANOTHER STUPID friggin Thread to ask another STUPID, MORONIC question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT is what is PISSING me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and people that CONTINUE to respond in said Thread , thereby lending it credence AND encouraging the nimrod that does it over and over to do it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats true. I guess its because Rob is the frontman, and he has the most contact with the audience... And vocals are always the hardest to replace.
As for the apology, I guess we should let them sort it out. Maybe there was an error in the press release? And if it isnt... Well, I guess Ripper has a right to be pissed. Personaly, I never cared much for him, and there is really only one song from the Ripper era that I like. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:14:39 AM)
Head banger wrote:
if scott left you dont think that fans would react the same way do you? I dont get how rob is 1 out of 5 members, yes he is a great singer, but he is 20% of the band. they changed drummers all the time. if KK left, no where near as many people would react as when rob left. if ian left, I bet 1% of fans would care.
Becks wrote:
I agree hellrider. Also, I doubt any of us would even know who Ripper Owens is if it wasn't for Priest. I think many people here would say Priest is not Priest without Rob, therefore, although the Ripper years kept KK, Glenn, Ian and Scott playing music, they are almost transition years (for lack of a better term), moving forward to Rob returning and completing the band once more. It would be the same situation if any of the current members left, it just would not be Priest.
On the subject of the live album, I think it's awesome, end of story really. For them to still be going, releasing any albums at their ages is fantastic.
hellrider 31038 wrote:
no because priest is not priest with out the METAL GOD
Eh... Allright... Not that I ever heard of them...
Sorry... I will just get back to the post mortum now... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:01:24 PM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
The NFL.. oakland Raiders
_strat_ wrote:
Er... What?
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
I hope the damm raiders get it together this year geezus.
Def Leppard? I wouldnt know. Never been a big fan of them. The Sex Pistols did something to the Union Jack tho, and Im pretty sure that it wasnt anything nice.
Graphic artist... One of them designed this site, like as not. Some of them made the cover art for Priest... And probably for every band out there. If you look at your companies logo, a graphic artist probably drawn up that one too.
Really, its a lot of things. Adds, websites, covers of practicly anything from CDs, to books and comic books and the like. Basicaly, we design stuff that is printed, and in some cases put on the web or televised. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:53:10 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
lol...didn't Def Leppard make 'bottoms' out of their 'Union Jack' at one time, hell, it was even fashionable lol...I've of that occupation before, but what exactly is a graphic artist??...I trully wouldn't recognize the work if it slapped me in the face...
_strat_ wrote:
Why, I burn American flags, what else?
No, really... Im a graphic artist, so thats pretty much what I do. At work and at home.
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...can I ask you what types of things you like to do, things you find fun and exciting to do ( aside from Priest concerts)??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I will end with the always hated sentence... "its not how I see it." And since there is nothing more to add, I guess its best that we leave it at that.
ronhartsell wrote:
I will end this (for me) on this note, not everyone is going to be happy with how we go about our business as a country, and not that we would change policy, but we've always been willing (in times of aggression) to sit and try to come to peaceful resoloutions if the other party is willing as well...it's when that step in the process is ignored, shunned or not given it's fair chance and others decide (on their own for their own reasons) to to take an aggressive position or act with cowardly violence (attacking innocent civilians) that we must (not want, but must) put our foot down...either way, I do wish peace and kindness to all!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, nitpicking history sure can be misleading, and I agree, we could find a lot of bad stuff in any nation. Doesnt justify the actions of one nations, if others are doing the same or worse, tho.
I agree, Soviet Unions collapse did save bloodeshed... Although it caused a lot of it too. As I said before, we dont know how an alternate history could have played out, so we really can only guess what could or coulndt have happened.
Getting your without military can be diplomacy... Or economy. That I argued over and over again, so I dont think it has a point to do it again.
As for the American foreign policy, I stand by with what I said. Arabs have every right to be pissed at Israel and its big brother.
ronhartsell wrote:
Getting your way without military action is called diplomacy...The Cold War for all intent and purpose ended in the 80's, the Soviet Union knew it's capabilities and it's shortcomings and I believe it saved a lot of bloodshed, and I can say that because in '86 I was stationed in Japan with 3 Russian sub's off shore just waiting...and what has the US done that was so bad??...why do terrorists target the US??...really??...we don't steal oil, we pay for it...when our allies are attacked, we step in as per our agreement...if I was an Arab Muslim, I'd do what I do now, live my life as I choose and leave others well enough alone...we've never told the good Muslims of the world to give up their religion, hell, a large population of them find comfort practicing their right to freedom of religion right here in our borders, we respect them and their beliefs...and we'd do the same for you and anyone else...sure, you can look at our history and nitpick this and that, and you'd be right, but you can do that with any Nation, and find plenty worse cases than with us...Vietnam and Latin America??...two entirely different situations, and we never declared war in either country, good intentions, bad game plan, bad end result...but we are waaaaaaaaaay off course now...it doesn't matter what I post, you'll turn it around...it is fashionable to hate the US right now...but remember, you're one bully away from calling our number, and you know what???...we'll be there!!!
_strat_ wrote:
We are others! My country and all the rest. We are all independant nations as well. And the US does push policies on us. Actualy, that very rarely happens to be with military.
Back in 1991, when the cold war just ended... Up to then, we were a socialist country. Neutral, as in not a Soviet ally, but socialist all the same. With the end of the cold war, when all around us socialist regimes crumbled (including our own) we were left with a choice: do the same or remain isolated. Become a European North Korea, and starve. We chose what we chose, and even though its not very good, its better than the punishment of isolation would have been. The isolation from the so-called free world, headed by the US, and we chose the capitalist system. The leader of the capitalist world, and the strongest capitalist nation is and was... The US. Not much of a choice there.
The main fallacy in your post is that we can choose not to deal with you. Its a very globalised world. A single nation cannot be what it is without the others. And if that globalised world is a capitalist one, why, then you have the rule of the strongest. In this case, the US.
Yes, you should expect to be attacked. As I said (and gave examples), the US is far from the innocent, peace loving nation that its made out to be. The US supported Israel throughout its existance. Which means supporting the genocide over Palestinians. It means supporting Israel in its crusades against its Arab neighbours (see the 6 day war and the Lebanon war). The US first supported Hussein, then denounced him in 1991, when he started thinking with his own head. Ffs... Those are all real historic facts!
Now, if you were an Arab and a Moslem, what would you think of that? What would your reaction be?
And if Americans are all good and nice and peacefull... Well, why do the terrorists target America? Maybe they dont like hamburgers?
Or, if you were occupied. Imagine that someone, some real or fictional enemy invades the US... How would you feel about that? No matter the political conditions before and after the invasion, how woul you feel with foreign troops on your streets, curfews, rationed everything... And thats the least of it! My grandparents survived the Axis occupation when they were kids. Another attempt was made in 1991, when I was 2. I think I can safely say that dictatorship is preferable to war. Infact, it can be preferable do "democracy", but thats another matter.
And dont even get me started on what the Vietnamese and Latin Americans must think of you...
Now, as far as Yugoslavia goes, we fell apart ages ago. Im only having it in my profile today, because 25th of may was a Yugoslav holiday.
East vs. West: I explained at the beginning. We do what we have to do. We lost control of our economies to West European and American companies, and we in effect have to do whatever you want us to. And that is what we are sick of.
ronhartsell wrote:
Rights without consideration of others??...who are the others??...we are a free and independant nation apart from all others...we have allies which happen to be the majority of the free world, including Israel and parts of the Middle East...what we have are policies that we defend, not push upon...we have never, ever declared war and attacked another country first, we always have reacted, huge difference...expect to be attacked??...why should we expect to be attacked??...if you don't agree with our policies, then don't deal with us...we're not gonna twist your arm and call you names, it's a choice...just remember that violent choices result in further violence...what behaviour are you talking about??...are you saying that when attacked that we don't have the right to defend ourselves??...we have to take it on the chin??...we only lost 3,000 on 9-11??...that number multiplies if we let it go...and it's 3,000 too many, not 1 of those souls was at war with any of the aggressors, or those who died in the aftermath of that day...if Yugoslavia were to be invaded by terrorists for no apparent reason, would you turn us away if we came to your defense??...if your countries military began killing and torturing it's own ppl, would you not accept our help??...you are off the mark with our intentions on foreign soil...we are very much a peaceful nation, but we are a big nation who have always been willing to help others out if possible, but we do not police the world unless it actually attacks us...BTW, what's going on in Afghanistan is not a declared war, nor would we be there without that governments consent...sure they were a lot worse, but remember what I said, they hadn't attacked us, which is vitally important...you're right, NATO shouldn't have authority of the world, I am in total agreement with you on that, but it is a buffer...and what is it that the West is telling the East to do??...play nice??...you don't think that we're not tired of the Middle East (including Israel) of being a permanent war zone??...and remember, entitlement is not given, it's earned, and we earned our right to establish our own laws and policies if that is what you mean by entitlement...and don't think for 1 second that if N Korea or China or Russia did what happend on 9-11 that we wouldn't respond to them as well...but even those countries governments aren't that foolish, and we would have plenty of support on a global effort to deal with them as well...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you just take your rights without consideration of what that might mean to others, then you can expect to be attacked.
Now, many nations had the same beginnings as yours. Many actualy came from the same empire you did. Does that mean that Ireland, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, and practicaly all of Middle East are also entitled to the same behaviour that the US practices? Does that mean that that is an entitelment of all nations that have gained independance from other nations?
No, if there was no NATO, the world would be pretty much the same... If I recall, Iraq and Afghanistan were both solo projects of the so-called "coalition of the willing".
And NATO should not have any authority in the world. That means that the East has to do what the West tells us to. And we are sick of it. The closest we gotten so far is the UN, which does a fairly good job at equal representation, although it has very little power to actualy do anything.
And it isnt true... America has been involved in the M. East in one way or the other since the end of WW2. Israel, Iran, rise of the Taliban... All those things happened way before 9/11. And they were all alot worse than 9/11.
ronhartsell wrote:
We gave ourselves the right to set them...we faught for those rights when we faught ourselves out from under British rule...and no, we don't suffer from the Napolean or Roman or Hitler complexes where we must occupy and rule all the world, not even close...the birth of our Nation was based on our desire to have total and complete freedom in all aspects of life, and we paid the price with blood...not all countries were able to do that against England, but we did, and now that we have it we will never give it up, and we will battle those that try to take it from us OR threaten to!!!...again, who gives a shit what NATO does, we honor the sanctions they impose, we pretty much give it what it asks for, but we're not the only ones...if there was no NATO (or some other type of global police) where would everyone get together to opine??...come to decisions on global issues??...NATO by far is not perfect, I think it hurts the US more than helps, but if not, then there's chaos...if anything, I don't think NATO does enough...keep in mind Strat, we attack those that attack us, no the other way around...
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
errr...having a rough time getting back into the swing of a workday...we're going through big changes at the plant...out with all the old equipment and in with the new...controlled chaos, lol
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning, in a normal thread... All is good and well on my end. I will finish work this week, and then its (hopefully) signing up for college...
No, really... Im a graphic artist, so thats pretty much what I do. At work and at home. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:40:59 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning Strat...can I ask you what types of things you like to do, things you find fun and exciting to do ( aside from Priest concerts)??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I will end with the always hated sentence... "its not how I see it." And since there is nothing more to add, I guess its best that we leave it at that.
ronhartsell wrote:
I will end this (for me) on this note, not everyone is going to be happy with how we go about our business as a country, and not that we would change policy, but we've always been willing (in times of aggression) to sit and try to come to peaceful resoloutions if the other party is willing as well...it's when that step in the process is ignored, shunned or not given it's fair chance and others decide (on their own for their own reasons) to to take an aggressive position or act with cowardly violence (attacking innocent civilians) that we must (not want, but must) put our foot down...either way, I do wish peace and kindness to all!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, nitpicking history sure can be misleading, and I agree, we could find a lot of bad stuff in any nation. Doesnt justify the actions of one nations, if others are doing the same or worse, tho.
I agree, Soviet Unions collapse did save bloodeshed... Although it caused a lot of it too. As I said before, we dont know how an alternate history could have played out, so we really can only guess what could or coulndt have happened.
Getting your without military can be diplomacy... Or economy. That I argued over and over again, so I dont think it has a point to do it again.
As for the American foreign policy, I stand by with what I said. Arabs have every right to be pissed at Israel and its big brother.
ronhartsell wrote:
Getting your way without military action is called diplomacy...The Cold War for all intent and purpose ended in the 80's, the Soviet Union knew it's capabilities and it's shortcomings and I believe it saved a lot of bloodshed, and I can say that because in '86 I was stationed in Japan with 3 Russian sub's off shore just waiting...and what has the US done that was so bad??...why do terrorists target the US??...really??...we don't steal oil, we pay for it...when our allies are attacked, we step in as per our agreement...if I was an Arab Muslim, I'd do what I do now, live my life as I choose and leave others well enough alone...we've never told the good Muslims of the world to give up their religion, hell, a large population of them find comfort practicing their right to freedom of religion right here in our borders, we respect them and their beliefs...and we'd do the same for you and anyone else...sure, you can look at our history and nitpick this and that, and you'd be right, but you can do that with any Nation, and find plenty worse cases than with us...Vietnam and Latin America??...two entirely different situations, and we never declared war in either country, good intentions, bad game plan, bad end result...but we are waaaaaaaaaay off course now...it doesn't matter what I post, you'll turn it around...it is fashionable to hate the US right now...but remember, you're one bully away from calling our number, and you know what???...we'll be there!!!
_strat_ wrote:
We are others! My country and all the rest. We are all independant nations as well. And the US does push policies on us. Actualy, that very rarely happens to be with military.
Back in 1991, when the cold war just ended... Up to then, we were a socialist country. Neutral, as in not a Soviet ally, but socialist all the same. With the end of the cold war, when all around us socialist regimes crumbled (including our own) we were left with a choice: do the same or remain isolated. Become a European North Korea, and starve. We chose what we chose, and even though its not very good, its better than the punishment of isolation would have been. The isolation from the so-called free world, headed by the US, and we chose the capitalist system. The leader of the capitalist world, and the strongest capitalist nation is and was... The US. Not much of a choice there.
The main fallacy in your post is that we can choose not to deal with you. Its a very globalised world. A single nation cannot be what it is without the others. And if that globalised world is a capitalist one, why, then you have the rule of the strongest. In this case, the US.
Yes, you should expect to be attacked. As I said (and gave examples), the US is far from the innocent, peace loving nation that its made out to be. The US supported Israel throughout its existance. Which means supporting the genocide over Palestinians. It means supporting Israel in its crusades against its Arab neighbours (see the 6 day war and the Lebanon war). The US first supported Hussein, then denounced him in 1991, when he started thinking with his own head. Ffs... Those are all real historic facts!
Now, if you were an Arab and a Moslem, what would you think of that? What would your reaction be?
And if Americans are all good and nice and peacefull... Well, why do the terrorists target America? Maybe they dont like hamburgers?
Or, if you were occupied. Imagine that someone, some real or fictional enemy invades the US... How would you feel about that? No matter the political conditions before and after the invasion, how woul you feel with foreign troops on your streets, curfews, rationed everything... And thats the least of it! My grandparents survived the Axis occupation when they were kids. Another attempt was made in 1991, when I was 2. I think I can safely say that dictatorship is preferable to war. Infact, it can be preferable do "democracy", but thats another matter.
And dont even get me started on what the Vietnamese and Latin Americans must think of you...
Now, as far as Yugoslavia goes, we fell apart ages ago. Im only having it in my profile today, because 25th of may was a Yugoslav holiday.
East vs. West: I explained at the beginning. We do what we have to do. We lost control of our economies to West European and American companies, and we in effect have to do whatever you want us to. And that is what we are sick of.
ronhartsell wrote:
Rights without consideration of others??...who are the others??...we are a free and independant nation apart from all others...we have allies which happen to be the majority of the free world, including Israel and parts of the Middle East...what we have are policies that we defend, not push upon...we have never, ever declared war and attacked another country first, we always have reacted, huge difference...expect to be attacked??...why should we expect to be attacked??...if you don't agree with our policies, then don't deal with us...we're not gonna twist your arm and call you names, it's a choice...just remember that violent choices result in further violence...what behaviour are you talking about??...are you saying that when attacked that we don't have the right to defend ourselves??...we have to take it on the chin??...we only lost 3,000 on 9-11??...that number multiplies if we let it go...and it's 3,000 too many, not 1 of those souls was at war with any of the aggressors, or those who died in the aftermath of that day...if Yugoslavia were to be invaded by terrorists for no apparent reason, would you turn us away if we came to your defense??...if your countries military began killing and torturing it's own ppl, would you not accept our help??...you are off the mark with our intentions on foreign soil...we are very much a peaceful nation, but we are a big nation who have always been willing to help others out if possible, but we do not police the world unless it actually attacks us...BTW, what's going on in Afghanistan is not a declared war, nor would we be there without that governments consent...sure they were a lot worse, but remember what I said, they hadn't attacked us, which is vitally important...you're right, NATO shouldn't have authority of the world, I am in total agreement with you on that, but it is a buffer...and what is it that the West is telling the East to do??...play nice??...you don't think that we're not tired of the Middle East (including Israel) of being a permanent war zone??...and remember, entitlement is not given, it's earned, and we earned our right to establish our own laws and policies if that is what you mean by entitlement...and don't think for 1 second that if N Korea or China or Russia did what happend on 9-11 that we wouldn't respond to them as well...but even those countries governments aren't that foolish, and we would have plenty of support on a global effort to deal with them as well...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you just take your rights without consideration of what that might mean to others, then you can expect to be attacked.
Now, many nations had the same beginnings as yours. Many actualy came from the same empire you did. Does that mean that Ireland, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, and practicaly all of Middle East are also entitled to the same behaviour that the US practices? Does that mean that that is an entitelment of all nations that have gained independance from other nations?
No, if there was no NATO, the world would be pretty much the same... If I recall, Iraq and Afghanistan were both solo projects of the so-called "coalition of the willing".
And NATO should not have any authority in the world. That means that the East has to do what the West tells us to. And we are sick of it. The closest we gotten so far is the UN, which does a fairly good job at equal representation, although it has very little power to actualy do anything.
And it isnt true... America has been involved in the M. East in one way or the other since the end of WW2. Israel, Iran, rise of the Taliban... All those things happened way before 9/11. And they were all alot worse than 9/11.
ronhartsell wrote:
We gave ourselves the right to set them...we faught for those rights when we faught ourselves out from under British rule...and no, we don't suffer from the Napolean or Roman or Hitler complexes where we must occupy and rule all the world, not even close...the birth of our Nation was based on our desire to have total and complete freedom in all aspects of life, and we paid the price with blood...not all countries were able to do that against England, but we did, and now that we have it we will never give it up, and we will battle those that try to take it from us OR threaten to!!!...again, who gives a shit what NATO does, we honor the sanctions they impose, we pretty much give it what it asks for, but we're not the only ones...if there was no NATO (or some other type of global police) where would everyone get together to opine??...come to decisions on global issues??...NATO by far is not perfect, I think it hurts the US more than helps, but if not, then there's chaos...if anything, I don't think NATO does enough...keep in mind Strat, we attack those that attack us, no the other way around...
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Well, I will end with the always hated sentence... "its not how I see it." And since there is nothing more to add, I guess its best that we leave it at that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, May 26, 2009 4:30:44 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
I will end this (for me) on this note, not everyone is going to be happy with how we go about our business as a country, and not that we would change policy, but we've always been willing (in times of aggression) to sit and try to come to peaceful resoloutions if the other party is willing as well...it's when that step in the process is ignored, shunned or not given it's fair chance and others decide (on their own for their own reasons) to to take an aggressive position or act with cowardly violence (attacking innocent civilians) that we must (not want, but must) put our foot down...either way, I do wish peace and kindness to all!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, nitpicking history sure can be misleading, and I agree, we could find a lot of bad stuff in any nation. Doesnt justify the actions of one nations, if others are doing the same or worse, tho.
I agree, Soviet Unions collapse did save bloodeshed... Although it caused a lot of it too. As I said before, we dont know how an alternate history could have played out, so we really can only guess what could or coulndt have happened.
Getting your without military can be diplomacy... Or economy. That I argued over and over again, so I dont think it has a point to do it again.
As for the American foreign policy, I stand by with what I said. Arabs have every right to be pissed at Israel and its big brother.
ronhartsell wrote:
Getting your way without military action is called diplomacy...The Cold War for all intent and purpose ended in the 80's, the Soviet Union knew it's capabilities and it's shortcomings and I believe it saved a lot of bloodshed, and I can say that because in '86 I was stationed in Japan with 3 Russian sub's off shore just waiting...and what has the US done that was so bad??...why do terrorists target the US??...really??...we don't steal oil, we pay for it...when our allies are attacked, we step in as per our agreement...if I was an Arab Muslim, I'd do what I do now, live my life as I choose and leave others well enough alone...we've never told the good Muslims of the world to give up their religion, hell, a large population of them find comfort practicing their right to freedom of religion right here in our borders, we respect them and their beliefs...and we'd do the same for you and anyone else...sure, you can look at our history and nitpick this and that, and you'd be right, but you can do that with any Nation, and find plenty worse cases than with us...Vietnam and Latin America??...two entirely different situations, and we never declared war in either country, good intentions, bad game plan, bad end result...but we are waaaaaaaaaay off course now...it doesn't matter what I post, you'll turn it around...it is fashionable to hate the US right now...but remember, you're one bully away from calling our number, and you know what???...we'll be there!!!
_strat_ wrote:
We are others! My country and all the rest. We are all independant nations as well. And the US does push policies on us. Actualy, that very rarely happens to be with military.
Back in 1991, when the cold war just ended... Up to then, we were a socialist country. Neutral, as in not a Soviet ally, but socialist all the same. With the end of the cold war, when all around us socialist regimes crumbled (including our own) we were left with a choice: do the same or remain isolated. Become a European North Korea, and starve. We chose what we chose, and even though its not very good, its better than the punishment of isolation would have been. The isolation from the so-called free world, headed by the US, and we chose the capitalist system. The leader of the capitalist world, and the strongest capitalist nation is and was... The US. Not much of a choice there.
The main fallacy in your post is that we can choose not to deal with you. Its a very globalised world. A single nation cannot be what it is without the others. And if that globalised world is a capitalist one, why, then you have the rule of the strongest. In this case, the US.
Yes, you should expect to be attacked. As I said (and gave examples), the US is far from the innocent, peace loving nation that its made out to be. The US supported Israel throughout its existance. Which means supporting the genocide over Palestinians. It means supporting Israel in its crusades against its Arab neighbours (see the 6 day war and the Lebanon war). The US first supported Hussein, then denounced him in 1991, when he started thinking with his own head. Ffs... Those are all real historic facts!
Now, if you were an Arab and a Moslem, what would you think of that? What would your reaction be?
And if Americans are all good and nice and peacefull... Well, why do the terrorists target America? Maybe they dont like hamburgers?
Or, if you were occupied. Imagine that someone, some real or fictional enemy invades the US... How would you feel about that? No matter the political conditions before and after the invasion, how woul you feel with foreign troops on your streets, curfews, rationed everything... And thats the least of it! My grandparents survived the Axis occupation when they were kids. Another attempt was made in 1991, when I was 2. I think I can safely say that dictatorship is preferable to war. Infact, it can be preferable do "democracy", but thats another matter.
And dont even get me started on what the Vietnamese and Latin Americans must think of you...
Now, as far as Yugoslavia goes, we fell apart ages ago. Im only having it in my profile today, because 25th of may was a Yugoslav holiday.
East vs. West: I explained at the beginning. We do what we have to do. We lost control of our economies to West European and American companies, and we in effect have to do whatever you want us to. And that is what we are sick of.
ronhartsell wrote:
Rights without consideration of others??...who are the others??...we are a free and independant nation apart from all others...we have allies which happen to be the majority of the free world, including Israel and parts of the Middle East...what we have are policies that we defend, not push upon...we have never, ever declared war and attacked another country first, we always have reacted, huge difference...expect to be attacked??...why should we expect to be attacked??...if you don't agree with our policies, then don't deal with us...we're not gonna twist your arm and call you names, it's a choice...just remember that violent choices result in further violence...what behaviour are you talking about??...are you saying that when attacked that we don't have the right to defend ourselves??...we have to take it on the chin??...we only lost 3,000 on 9-11??...that number multiplies if we let it go...and it's 3,000 too many, not 1 of those souls was at war with any of the aggressors, or those who died in the aftermath of that day...if Yugoslavia were to be invaded by terrorists for no apparent reason, would you turn us away if we came to your defense??...if your countries military began killing and torturing it's own ppl, would you not accept our help??...you are off the mark with our intentions on foreign soil...we are very much a peaceful nation, but we are a big nation who have always been willing to help others out if possible, but we do not police the world unless it actually attacks us...BTW, what's going on in Afghanistan is not a declared war, nor would we be there without that governments consent...sure they were a lot worse, but remember what I said, they hadn't attacked us, which is vitally important...you're right, NATO shouldn't have authority of the world, I am in total agreement with you on that, but it is a buffer...and what is it that the West is telling the East to do??...play nice??...you don't think that we're not tired of the Middle East (including Israel) of being a permanent war zone??...and remember, entitlement is not given, it's earned, and we earned our right to establish our own laws and policies if that is what you mean by entitlement...and don't think for 1 second that if N Korea or China or Russia did what happend on 9-11 that we wouldn't respond to them as well...but even those countries governments aren't that foolish, and we would have plenty of support on a global effort to deal with them as well...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you just take your rights without consideration of what that might mean to others, then you can expect to be attacked.
Now, many nations had the same beginnings as yours. Many actualy came from the same empire you did. Does that mean that Ireland, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, and practicaly all of Middle East are also entitled to the same behaviour that the US practices? Does that mean that that is an entitelment of all nations that have gained independance from other nations?
No, if there was no NATO, the world would be pretty much the same... If I recall, Iraq and Afghanistan were both solo projects of the so-called "coalition of the willing".
And NATO should not have any authority in the world. That means that the East has to do what the West tells us to. And we are sick of it. The closest we gotten so far is the UN, which does a fairly good job at equal representation, although it has very little power to actualy do anything.
And it isnt true... America has been involved in the M. East in one way or the other since the end of WW2. Israel, Iran, rise of the Taliban... All those things happened way before 9/11. And they were all alot worse than 9/11.
ronhartsell wrote:
We gave ourselves the right to set them...we faught for those rights when we faught ourselves out from under British rule...and no, we don't suffer from the Napolean or Roman or Hitler complexes where we must occupy and rule all the world, not even close...the birth of our Nation was based on our desire to have total and complete freedom in all aspects of life, and we paid the price with blood...not all countries were able to do that against England, but we did, and now that we have it we will never give it up, and we will battle those that try to take it from us OR threaten to!!!...again, who gives a shit what NATO does, we honor the sanctions they impose, we pretty much give it what it asks for, but we're not the only ones...if there was no NATO (or some other type of global police) where would everyone get together to opine??...come to decisions on global issues??...NATO by far is not perfect, I think it hurts the US more than helps, but if not, then there's chaos...if anything, I don't think NATO does enough...keep in mind Strat, we attack those that attack us, no the other way around...
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Would that be the same French that did their best to keep Vietnam a colony? They fought a war over it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 25, 2009 8:20:35 PM)
Head banger wrote:
besides in vietnam, the legal govt invited them in to combat the russian sponsored terrorist groups that were preying on civilians and govt troops alike. they went in with a bad plan and did poorly, but the vietcong were not legit, the 2 state idea the french tried failed. The french failed in seting the colony up as independant, created a problem, then the americans didnt fight to win, and didnt.
ronhartsell wrote:
Getting your way without military action is called diplomacy...The Cold War for all intent and purpose ended in the 80's, the Soviet Union knew it's capabilities and it's shortcomings and I believe it saved a lot of bloodshed, and I can say that because in '86 I was stationed in Japan with 3 Russian sub's off shore just waiting...and what has the US done that was so bad??...why do terrorists target the US??...really??...we don't steal oil, we pay for it...when our allies are attacked, we step in as per our agreement...if I was an Arab Muslim, I'd do what I do now, live my life as I choose and leave others well enough alone...we've never told the good Muslims of the world to give up their religion, hell, a large population of them find comfort practicing their right to freedom of religion right here in our borders, we respect them and their beliefs...and we'd do the same for you and anyone else...sure, you can look at our history and nitpick this and that, and you'd be right, but you can do that with any Nation, and find plenty worse cases than with us...Vietnam and Latin America??...two entirely different situations, and we never declared war in either country, good intentions, bad game plan, bad end result...but we are waaaaaaaaaay off course now...it doesn't matter what I post, you'll turn it around...it is fashionable to hate the US right now...but remember, you're one bully away from calling our number, and you know what???...we'll be there!!!
_strat_ wrote:
We are others! My country and all the rest. We are all independant nations as well. And the US does push policies on us. Actualy, that very rarely happens to be with military.
Back in 1991, when the cold war just ended... Up to then, we were a socialist country. Neutral, as in not a Soviet ally, but socialist all the same. With the end of the cold war, when all around us socialist regimes crumbled (including our own) we were left with a choice: do the same or remain isolated. Become a European North Korea, and starve. We chose what we chose, and even though its not very good, its better than the punishment of isolation would have been. The isolation from the so-called free world, headed by the US, and we chose the capitalist system. The leader of the capitalist world, and the strongest capitalist nation is and was... The US. Not much of a choice there.
The main fallacy in your post is that we can choose not to deal with you. Its a very globalised world. A single nation cannot be what it is without the others. And if that globalised world is a capitalist one, why, then you have the rule of the strongest. In this case, the US.
Yes, you should expect to be attacked. As I said (and gave examples), the US is far from the innocent, peace loving nation that its made out to be. The US supported Israel throughout its existance. Which means supporting the genocide over Palestinians. It means supporting Israel in its crusades against its Arab neighbours (see the 6 day war and the Lebanon war). The US first supported Hussein, then denounced him in 1991, when he started thinking with his own head. Ffs... Those are all real historic facts!
Now, if you were an Arab and a Moslem, what would you think of that? What would your reaction be?
And if Americans are all good and nice and peacefull... Well, why do the terrorists target America? Maybe they dont like hamburgers?
Or, if you were occupied. Imagine that someone, some real or fictional enemy invades the US... How would you feel about that? No matter the political conditions before and after the invasion, how woul you feel with foreign troops on your streets, curfews, rationed everything... And thats the least of it! My grandparents survived the Axis occupation when they were kids. Another attempt was made in 1991, when I was 2. I think I can safely say that dictatorship is preferable to war. Infact, it can be preferable do "democracy", but thats another matter.
And dont even get me started on what the Vietnamese and Latin Americans must think of you...
Now, as far as Yugoslavia goes, we fell apart ages ago. Im only having it in my profile today, because 25th of may was a Yugoslav holiday.
East vs. West: I explained at the beginning. We do what we have to do. We lost control of our economies to West European and American companies, and we in effect have to do whatever you want us to. And that is what we are sick of.
ronhartsell wrote:
Rights without consideration of others??...who are the others??...we are a free and independant nation apart from all others...we have allies which happen to be the majority of the free world, including Israel and parts of the Middle East...what we have are policies that we defend, not push upon...we have never, ever declared war and attacked another country first, we always have reacted, huge difference...expect to be attacked??...why should we expect to be attacked??...if you don't agree with our policies, then don't deal with us...we're not gonna twist your arm and call you names, it's a choice...just remember that violent choices result in further violence...what behaviour are you talking about??...are you saying that when attacked that we don't have the right to defend ourselves??...we have to take it on the chin??...we only lost 3,000 on 9-11??...that number multiplies if we let it go...and it's 3,000 too many, not 1 of those souls was at war with any of the aggressors, or those who died in the aftermath of that day...if Yugoslavia were to be invaded by terrorists for no apparent reason, would you turn us away if we came to your defense??...if your countries military began killing and torturing it's own ppl, would you not accept our help??...you are off the mark with our intentions on foreign soil...we are very much a peaceful nation, but we are a big nation who have always been willing to help others out if possible, but we do not police the world unless it actually attacks us...BTW, what's going on in Afghanistan is not a declared war, nor would we be there without that governments consent...sure they were a lot worse, but remember what I said, they hadn't attacked us, which is vitally important...you're right, NATO shouldn't have authority of the world, I am in total agreement with you on that, but it is a buffer...and what is it that the West is telling the East to do??...play nice??...you don't think that we're not tired of the Middle East (including Israel) of being a permanent war zone??...and remember, entitlement is not given, it's earned, and we earned our right to establish our own laws and policies if that is what you mean by entitlement...and don't think for 1 second that if N Korea or China or Russia did what happend on 9-11 that we wouldn't respond to them as well...but even those countries governments aren't that foolish, and we would have plenty of support on a global effort to deal with them as well...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you just take your rights without consideration of what that might mean to others, then you can expect to be attacked.
Now, many nations had the same beginnings as yours. Many actualy came from the same empire you did. Does that mean that Ireland, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, and practicaly all of Middle East are also entitled to the same behaviour that the US practices? Does that mean that that is an entitelment of all nations that have gained independance from other nations?
No, if there was no NATO, the world would be pretty much the same... If I recall, Iraq and Afghanistan were both solo projects of the so-called "coalition of the willing".
And NATO should not have any authority in the world. That means that the East has to do what the West tells us to. And we are sick of it. The closest we gotten so far is the UN, which does a fairly good job at equal representation, although it has very little power to actualy do anything.
And it isnt true... America has been involved in the M. East in one way or the other since the end of WW2. Israel, Iran, rise of the Taliban... All those things happened way before 9/11. And they were all alot worse than 9/11.
ronhartsell wrote:
We gave ourselves the right to set them...we faught for those rights when we faught ourselves out from under British rule...and no, we don't suffer from the Napolean or Roman or Hitler complexes where we must occupy and rule all the world, not even close...the birth of our Nation was based on our desire to have total and complete freedom in all aspects of life, and we paid the price with blood...not all countries were able to do that against England, but we did, and now that we have it we will never give it up, and we will battle those that try to take it from us OR threaten to!!!...again, who gives a shit what NATO does, we honor the sanctions they impose, we pretty much give it what it asks for, but we're not the only ones...if there was no NATO (or some other type of global police) where would everyone get together to opine??...come to decisions on global issues??...NATO by far is not perfect, I think it hurts the US more than helps, but if not, then there's chaos...if anything, I don't think NATO does enough...keep in mind Strat, we attack those that attack us, no the other way around...
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Well, nitpicking history sure can be misleading, and I agree, we could find a lot of bad stuff in any nation. Doesnt justify the actions of one nations, if others are doing the same or worse, tho.
I agree, Soviet Unions collapse did save bloodeshed... Although it caused a lot of it too. As I said before, we dont know how an alternate history could have played out, so we really can only guess what could or coulndt have happened.
Getting your without military can be diplomacy... Or economy. That I argued over and over again, so I dont think it has a point to do it again.
As for the American foreign policy, I stand by with what I said. Arabs have every right to be pissed at Israel and its big brother. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:39:16 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Getting your way without military action is called diplomacy...The Cold War for all intent and purpose ended in the 80's, the Soviet Union knew it's capabilities and it's shortcomings and I believe it saved a lot of bloodshed, and I can say that because in '86 I was stationed in Japan with 3 Russian sub's off shore just waiting...and what has the US done that was so bad??...why do terrorists target the US??...really??...we don't steal oil, we pay for it...when our allies are attacked, we step in as per our agreement...if I was an Arab Muslim, I'd do what I do now, live my life as I choose and leave others well enough alone...we've never told the good Muslims of the world to give up their religion, hell, a large population of them find comfort practicing their right to freedom of religion right here in our borders, we respect them and their beliefs...and we'd do the same for you and anyone else...sure, you can look at our history and nitpick this and that, and you'd be right, but you can do that with any Nation, and find plenty worse cases than with us...Vietnam and Latin America??...two entirely different situations, and we never declared war in either country, good intentions, bad game plan, bad end result...but we are waaaaaaaaaay off course now...it doesn't matter what I post, you'll turn it around...it is fashionable to hate the US right now...but remember, you're one bully away from calling our number, and you know what???...we'll be there!!!
_strat_ wrote:
We are others! My country and all the rest. We are all independant nations as well. And the US does push policies on us. Actualy, that very rarely happens to be with military.
Back in 1991, when the cold war just ended... Up to then, we were a socialist country. Neutral, as in not a Soviet ally, but socialist all the same. With the end of the cold war, when all around us socialist regimes crumbled (including our own) we were left with a choice: do the same or remain isolated. Become a European North Korea, and starve. We chose what we chose, and even though its not very good, its better than the punishment of isolation would have been. The isolation from the so-called free world, headed by the US, and we chose the capitalist system. The leader of the capitalist world, and the strongest capitalist nation is and was... The US. Not much of a choice there.
The main fallacy in your post is that we can choose not to deal with you. Its a very globalised world. A single nation cannot be what it is without the others. And if that globalised world is a capitalist one, why, then you have the rule of the strongest. In this case, the US.
Yes, you should expect to be attacked. As I said (and gave examples), the US is far from the innocent, peace loving nation that its made out to be. The US supported Israel throughout its existance. Which means supporting the genocide over Palestinians. It means supporting Israel in its crusades against its Arab neighbours (see the 6 day war and the Lebanon war). The US first supported Hussein, then denounced him in 1991, when he started thinking with his own head. Ffs... Those are all real historic facts!
Now, if you were an Arab and a Moslem, what would you think of that? What would your reaction be?
And if Americans are all good and nice and peacefull... Well, why do the terrorists target America? Maybe they dont like hamburgers?
Or, if you were occupied. Imagine that someone, some real or fictional enemy invades the US... How would you feel about that? No matter the political conditions before and after the invasion, how woul you feel with foreign troops on your streets, curfews, rationed everything... And thats the least of it! My grandparents survived the Axis occupation when they were kids. Another attempt was made in 1991, when I was 2. I think I can safely say that dictatorship is preferable to war. Infact, it can be preferable do "democracy", but thats another matter.
And dont even get me started on what the Vietnamese and Latin Americans must think of you...
Now, as far as Yugoslavia goes, we fell apart ages ago. Im only having it in my profile today, because 25th of may was a Yugoslav holiday.
East vs. West: I explained at the beginning. We do what we have to do. We lost control of our economies to West European and American companies, and we in effect have to do whatever you want us to. And that is what we are sick of.
ronhartsell wrote:
Rights without consideration of others??...who are the others??...we are a free and independant nation apart from all others...we have allies which happen to be the majority of the free world, including Israel and parts of the Middle East...what we have are policies that we defend, not push upon...we have never, ever declared war and attacked another country first, we always have reacted, huge difference...expect to be attacked??...why should we expect to be attacked??...if you don't agree with our policies, then don't deal with us...we're not gonna twist your arm and call you names, it's a choice...just remember that violent choices result in further violence...what behaviour are you talking about??...are you saying that when attacked that we don't have the right to defend ourselves??...we have to take it on the chin??...we only lost 3,000 on 9-11??...that number multiplies if we let it go...and it's 3,000 too many, not 1 of those souls was at war with any of the aggressors, or those who died in the aftermath of that day...if Yugoslavia were to be invaded by terrorists for no apparent reason, would you turn us away if we came to your defense??...if your countries military began killing and torturing it's own ppl, would you not accept our help??...you are off the mark with our intentions on foreign soil...we are very much a peaceful nation, but we are a big nation who have always been willing to help others out if possible, but we do not police the world unless it actually attacks us...BTW, what's going on in Afghanistan is not a declared war, nor would we be there without that governments consent...sure they were a lot worse, but remember what I said, they hadn't attacked us, which is vitally important...you're right, NATO shouldn't have authority of the world, I am in total agreement with you on that, but it is a buffer...and what is it that the West is telling the East to do??...play nice??...you don't think that we're not tired of the Middle East (including Israel) of being a permanent war zone??...and remember, entitlement is not given, it's earned, and we earned our right to establish our own laws and policies if that is what you mean by entitlement...and don't think for 1 second that if N Korea or China or Russia did what happend on 9-11 that we wouldn't respond to them as well...but even those countries governments aren't that foolish, and we would have plenty of support on a global effort to deal with them as well...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you just take your rights without consideration of what that might mean to others, then you can expect to be attacked.
Now, many nations had the same beginnings as yours. Many actualy came from the same empire you did. Does that mean that Ireland, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, and practicaly all of Middle East are also entitled to the same behaviour that the US practices? Does that mean that that is an entitelment of all nations that have gained independance from other nations?
No, if there was no NATO, the world would be pretty much the same... If I recall, Iraq and Afghanistan were both solo projects of the so-called "coalition of the willing".
And NATO should not have any authority in the world. That means that the East has to do what the West tells us to. And we are sick of it. The closest we gotten so far is the UN, which does a fairly good job at equal representation, although it has very little power to actualy do anything.
And it isnt true... America has been involved in the M. East in one way or the other since the end of WW2. Israel, Iran, rise of the Taliban... All those things happened way before 9/11. And they were all alot worse than 9/11.
ronhartsell wrote:
We gave ourselves the right to set them...we faught for those rights when we faught ourselves out from under British rule...and no, we don't suffer from the Napolean or Roman or Hitler complexes where we must occupy and rule all the world, not even close...the birth of our Nation was based on our desire to have total and complete freedom in all aspects of life, and we paid the price with blood...not all countries were able to do that against England, but we did, and now that we have it we will never give it up, and we will battle those that try to take it from us OR threaten to!!!...again, who gives a shit what NATO does, we honor the sanctions they impose, we pretty much give it what it asks for, but we're not the only ones...if there was no NATO (or some other type of global police) where would everyone get together to opine??...come to decisions on global issues??...NATO by far is not perfect, I think it hurts the US more than helps, but if not, then there's chaos...if anything, I don't think NATO does enough...keep in mind Strat, we attack those that attack us, no the other way around...
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
THAT MY FRIEND WAS OUT OF LINE. The USA didnt split up your country, or kill your may day celebrations. get over yourself.
_strat_ wrote:
If you do a bit of backreading, you can see that it hasnt started today. And frankly, I dont give a shit about your holiday.
Now, if you can only rant, then I gues it is better that you at least, stay out. Your call. Go, shout about the how your country is the best and greatest... I think that I at least explained why I think the way I do.
As for dead soldiers and remembering them - I dont care who reads this. Hoefully someone who lost a loved one to a US aggression - but I doubt that they can come to the internet.
spapad wrote:
Strat, thank you so much for bastardizing Memorial Day.
You obviously have the feeling that your country and many like it are always "picked on" maybe they are, but maybe we wont let your Dogma become our beliefs either. The situation is beyond this board to solve and rediculous to continue to argue really.
As for myself. I am a proud child of the U.S.A. and I do believe if we are attacked we should retaliate. It was better when Clinton did it. He just shut the fools up before they ever got to our shores. Bush was a fucktard, I'll grant you that much, but we were never wrong in going into Afganistan, the cauldron of Islamic hatred.
WE ARE the U.S.A. and we will kick your ass if you mess with our own, and if you feel "picke on" maybe you should look to your government to fix it!
Politics Piss me off and the rant's going on here on today of all days piss me off. If you had a family member die in war would you want to read this kind of shit on the day that member is sopposed to be remembered by his countrymen? Edited at: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:01:52 PM
Hmm... I see its all back now.. Im pretty sure this exchange was deleted when I came in this morning.
Now, I do my best to respect others. But keep in mind that I am not an American, and your holidays are none of my concern, just like our holidays are none of yours. I do not respect your veterans, and I will critisise them, and I dont care which day it is.
That said, I think we should all hold horses for a bit, and at least try to return to something that resembles a decent debate. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, May 25, 2009 5:51:10 PM)
spapad wrote:
Becks, nothing you did dear, you know our local political radical took it and ran with it, just happend to spill into Memorial Day and that is the last thing I wanted to hear on this day. I am not mad at anyone, I just wanted a little respect for this day.
Strat, I'm not mad at you, just sometimes you need to respect others as well. I have never disrespected you like that and never will. (Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, May 25, 2009 5:47:27 PM)
Becks wrote:
Oh man, when I posted my vent the other day I didn't mean for it to turn in to this!
I just wanted to vent about a very ignorant person
If you do a bit of backreading, you can see that it hasnt started today. And frankly, I dont give a shit about your holiday.
Now, if you can only rant, then I gues it is better that you at least, stay out. Your call. Go, shout about the how your country is the best and greatest... I think that I at least explained why I think the way I do.
As for dead soldiers and remembering them - I dont care who reads this. Hoefully someone who lost a loved one to a US aggression - but I doubt that they can come to the internet.
Strat, thank you so much for bastardizing Memorial Day.
You obviously have the feeling that your country and many like it are always "picked on" maybe they are, but maybe we wont let your Dogma become our beliefs either. The situation is beyond this board to solve and rediculous to continue to argue really.
As for myself. I am a proud child of the U.S.A. and I do believe if we are attacked we should retaliate. It was better when Clinton did it. He just shut the fools up before they ever got to our shores. Bush was a fucktard, I'll grant you that much, but we were never wrong in going into Afganistan, the cauldron of Islamic hatred.
WE ARE the U.S.A. and we will kick your ass if you mess with our own, and if you feel "picke on" maybe you should look to your government to fix it!
Politics Piss me off and the rant's going on here on today of all days piss me off. If you had a family member die in war would you want to read this kind of shit on the day that member is sopposed to be remembered by his countrymen? Edited at: Monday, May 25, 2009 5:01:52 PM
Wow! I loved that. You did a great job on the vocals, and I like the guitars even better than in the original! Ripping stuff! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, May 25, 2009 4:21:10 PM)
I was refering to their rise, which happened during and after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Back in those days, the US supported the Taliban, and, ironicaly, Osama Bin Laden.
Lets rever the clock back to 1948. Split between former Yugoslavia and the USSR. Other socialist nations (see Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Poland) were disciplined for that. We were not. Because of our military, and because everyone saw what our partisans did to the Axis a few years before that. Given that, I dont think I would speak Russian. I guess its possible, tho, we dont know how everything could have played out in an alternate history. But there is one thing... The NATO won the cold war... And Im speaking English. Why shoud that be any better... Well, I guess you will explain that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 25, 2009 2:53:39 PM)
Head banger wrote:
hang on, in one post you said the taliban rule was beter than a "pupet govt" and now you say the taliban is worse than 9-11?
american freedom does extend to countries such as india, they too can give their citizens freedom.
with no nato we would all be speaking russian right now. well, perhaps not all of us, but you would.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you just take your rights without consideration of what that might mean to others, then you can expect to be attacked.
Now, many nations had the same beginnings as yours. Many actualy came from the same empire you did. Does that mean that Ireland, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, and practicaly all of Middle East are also entitled to the same behaviour that the US practices? Does that mean that that is an entitelment of all nations that have gained independance from other nations?
No, if there was no NATO, the world would be pretty much the same... If I recall, Iraq and Afghanistan were both solo projects of the so-called "coalition of the willing".
And NATO should not have any authority in the world. That means that the East has to do what the West tells us to. And we are sick of it. The closest we gotten so far is the UN, which does a fairly good job at equal representation, although it has very little power to actualy do anything.
And it isnt true... America has been involved in the M. East in one way or the other since the end of WW2. Israel, Iran, rise of the Taliban... All those things happened way before 9/11. And they were all alot worse than 9/11.
ronhartsell wrote:
We gave ourselves the right to set them...we faught for those rights when we faught ourselves out from under British rule...and no, we don't suffer from the Napolean or Roman or Hitler complexes where we must occupy and rule all the world, not even close...the birth of our Nation was based on our desire to have total and complete freedom in all aspects of life, and we paid the price with blood...not all countries were able to do that against England, but we did, and now that we have it we will never give it up, and we will battle those that try to take it from us OR threaten to!!!...again, who gives a shit what NATO does, we honor the sanctions they impose, we pretty much give it what it asks for, but we're not the only ones...if there was no NATO (or some other type of global police) where would everyone get together to opine??...come to decisions on global issues??...NATO by far is not perfect, I think it hurts the US more than helps, but if not, then there's chaos...if anything, I don't think NATO does enough...keep in mind Strat, we attack those that attack us, no the other way around...
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Now this is what Im talking about. Patronising. Parent nation, and all the rest of us are just kids, yours to punish as you would. Want a reason for 9/11? There you have it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 2:48:05 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Defending your allies is like defending your kids, you keep 'em out of trouble with others and protect them from harm, even when they bring it on themselves...then we deal with it behind closed doors...
_strat_ wrote:
Exactly. Tho I would expect much better from a nation that fancies itself the "leader of the free world".
ronhartsell wrote:
PS...No major Nation has attacked Israel because if they did, they KNOW it would be like attacking the USA...we are Israels big brother (whether we agree with what Israel does or NOT), and that's just how that is!!!
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
We are others! My country and all the rest. We are all independant nations as well. And the US does push policies on us. Actualy, that very rarely happens to be with military.
Back in 1991, when the cold war just ended... Up to then, we were a socialist country. Neutral, as in not a Soviet ally, but socialist all the same. With the end of the cold war, when all around us socialist regimes crumbled (including our own) we were left with a choice: do the same or remain isolated. Become a European North Korea, and starve. We chose what we chose, and even though its not very good, its better than the punishment of isolation would have been. The isolation from the so-called free world, headed by the US, and we chose the capitalist system. The leader of the capitalist world, and the strongest capitalist nation is and was... The US. Not much of a choice there.
The main fallacy in your post is that we can choose not to deal with you. Its a very globalised world. A single nation cannot be what it is without the others. And if that globalised world is a capitalist one, why, then you have the rule of the strongest. In this case, the US.
Yes, you should expect to be attacked. As I said (and gave examples), the US is far from the innocent, peace loving nation that its made out to be. The US supported Israel throughout its existance. Which means supporting the genocide over Palestinians. It means supporting Israel in its crusades against its Arab neighbours (see the 6 day war and the Lebanon war). The US first supported Hussein, then denounced him in 1991, when he started thinking with his own head. Ffs... Those are all real historic facts!
Now, if you were an Arab and a Moslem, what would you think of that? What would your reaction be?
And if Americans are all good and nice and peacefull... Well, why do the terrorists target America? Maybe they dont like hamburgers?
Or, if you were occupied. Imagine that someone, some real or fictional enemy invades the US... How would you feel about that? No matter the political conditions before and after the invasion, how woul you feel with foreign troops on your streets, curfews, rationed everything... And thats the least of it! My grandparents survived the Axis occupation when they were kids. Another attempt was made in 1991, when I was 2. I think I can safely say that dictatorship is preferable to war. Infact, it can be preferable do "democracy", but thats another matter.
And dont even get me started on what the Vietnamese and Latin Americans must think of you...
Now, as far as Yugoslavia goes, we fell apart ages ago. Im only having it in my profile today, because 25th of may was a Yugoslav holiday.
East vs. West: I explained at the beginning. We do what we have to do. We lost control of our economies to West European and American companies, and we in effect have to do whatever you want us to. And that is what we are sick of.
Rights without consideration of others??...who are the others??...we are a free and independant nation apart from all others...we have allies which happen to be the majority of the free world, including Israel and parts of the Middle East...what we have are policies that we defend, not push upon...we have never, ever declared war and attacked another country first, we always have reacted, huge difference...expect to be attacked??...why should we expect to be attacked??...if you don't agree with our policies, then don't deal with us...we're not gonna twist your arm and call you names, it's a choice...just remember that violent choices result in further violence...what behaviour are you talking about??...are you saying that when attacked that we don't have the right to defend ourselves??...we have to take it on the chin??...we only lost 3,000 on 9-11??...that number multiplies if we let it go...and it's 3,000 too many, not 1 of those souls was at war with any of the aggressors, or those who died in the aftermath of that day...if Yugoslavia were to be invaded by terrorists for no apparent reason, would you turn us away if we came to your defense??...if your countries military began killing and torturing it's own ppl, would you not accept our help??...you are off the mark with our intentions on foreign soil...we are very much a peaceful nation, but we are a big nation who have always been willing to help others out if possible, but we do not police the world unless it actually attacks us...BTW, what's going on in Afghanistan is not a declared war, nor would we be there without that governments consent...sure they were a lot worse, but remember what I said, they hadn't attacked us, which is vitally important...you're right, NATO shouldn't have authority of the world, I am in total agreement with you on that, but it is a buffer...and what is it that the West is telling the East to do??...play nice??...you don't think that we're not tired of the Middle East (including Israel) of being a permanent war zone??...and remember, entitlement is not given, it's earned, and we earned our right to establish our own laws and policies if that is what you mean by entitlement...and don't think for 1 second that if N Korea or China or Russia did what happend on 9-11 that we wouldn't respond to them as well...but even those countries governments aren't that foolish, and we would have plenty of support on a global effort to deal with them as well...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you just take your rights without consideration of what that might mean to others, then you can expect to be attacked.
Now, many nations had the same beginnings as yours. Many actualy came from the same empire you did. Does that mean that Ireland, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, and practicaly all of Middle East are also entitled to the same behaviour that the US practices? Does that mean that that is an entitelment of all nations that have gained independance from other nations?
No, if there was no NATO, the world would be pretty much the same... If I recall, Iraq and Afghanistan were both solo projects of the so-called "coalition of the willing".
And NATO should not have any authority in the world. That means that the East has to do what the West tells us to. And we are sick of it. The closest we gotten so far is the UN, which does a fairly good job at equal representation, although it has very little power to actualy do anything.
And it isnt true... America has been involved in the M. East in one way or the other since the end of WW2. Israel, Iran, rise of the Taliban... All those things happened way before 9/11. And they were all alot worse than 9/11.
ronhartsell wrote:
We gave ourselves the right to set them...we faught for those rights when we faught ourselves out from under British rule...and no, we don't suffer from the Napolean or Roman or Hitler complexes where we must occupy and rule all the world, not even close...the birth of our Nation was based on our desire to have total and complete freedom in all aspects of life, and we paid the price with blood...not all countries were able to do that against England, but we did, and now that we have it we will never give it up, and we will battle those that try to take it from us OR threaten to!!!...again, who gives a shit what NATO does, we honor the sanctions they impose, we pretty much give it what it asks for, but we're not the only ones...if there was no NATO (or some other type of global police) where would everyone get together to opine??...come to decisions on global issues??...NATO by far is not perfect, I think it hurts the US more than helps, but if not, then there's chaos...if anything, I don't think NATO does enough...keep in mind Strat, we attack those that attack us, no the other way around...
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Exactly. Tho I would expect much better from a nation that fancies itself the "leader of the free world". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 11:53:19 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
PS...No major Nation has attacked Israel because if they did, they KNOW it would be like attacking the USA...we are Israels big brother (whether we agree with what Israel does or NOT), and that's just how that is!!!
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Well, if you just take your rights without consideration of what that might mean to others, then you can expect to be attacked.
Now, many nations had the same beginnings as yours. Many actualy came from the same empire you did. Does that mean that Ireland, India, Pakistan, much of Africa, and practicaly all of Middle East are also entitled to the same behaviour that the US practices? Does that mean that that is an entitelment of all nations that have gained independance from other nations?
No, if there was no NATO, the world would be pretty much the same... If I recall, Iraq and Afghanistan were both solo projects of the so-called "coalition of the willing".
And NATO should not have any authority in the world. That means that the East has to do what the West tells us to. And we are sick of it. The closest we gotten so far is the UN, which does a fairly good job at equal representation, although it has very little power to actualy do anything.
And it isnt true... America has been involved in the M. East in one way or the other since the end of WW2. Israel, Iran, rise of the Taliban... All those things happened way before 9/11. And they were all alot worse than 9/11. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 11:49:48 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
We gave ourselves the right to set them...we faught for those rights when we faught ourselves out from under British rule...and no, we don't suffer from the Napolean or Roman or Hitler complexes where we must occupy and rule all the world, not even close...the birth of our Nation was based on our desire to have total and complete freedom in all aspects of life, and we paid the price with blood...not all countries were able to do that against England, but we did, and now that we have it we will never give it up, and we will battle those that try to take it from us OR threaten to!!!...again, who gives a shit what NATO does, we honor the sanctions they impose, we pretty much give it what it asks for, but we're not the only ones...if there was no NATO (or some other type of global police) where would everyone get together to opine??...come to decisions on global issues??...NATO by far is not perfect, I think it hurts the US more than helps, but if not, then there's chaos...if anything, I don't think NATO does enough...keep in mind Strat, we attack those that attack us, no the other way around...
_strat_ wrote:
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them?
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
And whos in charge of NATO? And even if NATO was the world police, would that be any better? Who gives the right to the US (or NATO) to be the world police?
Now, innocent victims, there are plenty, and on both sides. What strikes me as incredibly hiporytic is that western victims are obviously worth more. September the 11th, how many people died? 3000? Compared to the casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan thats not very much. Compared to the 60 years of oppresion and suffering of the Palestinians, its just a joke. Yet, no one ever thought of starting a "war on Israel" (save its Arab neighbours) over it.
And of course... Yes the world knows your polcies and what happens if we violate them. Again, who gave you the right to set them? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, May 25, 2009 11:22:25 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
We don't give a shit about being the world's police...that's what NATO's for...and don't forget about those 2 buildings that were decorated with airplane and body parts...that's why we're there...and if we let 1 get away with it, then any piece of shit with an agenda will try to do the same...any self respecting country with the ability to defend itself would/has done the same thing...I don't give a shit if it is North Korea, China, Russia, Central America...whomeverthefuck...I don't care, you hit me and I'm gonna hit you back 10 times harder, you threw the first punch!!!...Messing with the population???...groups like that don't exist without support, they must be hid (cowards) and fed, and it's not like their side is the only side with innocent victims, it's just that that's there forté, and it usually extends to hurting their own ppl as well as everyone else's...as for dropping bombs, we have laser guided missiles, we hit what we aim for with a great deal of accuracy...and of course we've done wrong, no country has a perfect record, but we defend ourselves and we do it with effect...we don't want to fight, so when we do, we try to make our actions decisive and with intent...the World knows our policies and they are extremely fair, so those that choose to violate them already know what's coming next
_strat_ wrote:
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
I am a genius, and the Taliban are the lesser of two evils. And I am very modest too :) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Monday, May 25, 2009 10:29:15 AM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hmm... Strat, what's happend with you?? The Taliban are liberators?? My friend, I need an answer from you!! Are you genius or insane??
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Poland? Im guessing you mean France... In any case, they did hand over the power to the French after the war.
You know, not long ago, we had two very aggresive blocks for our neighbours. The Warsaw pact and NATO. Yet we were not attacked by either, and if either tried, it would mean a lot of trouble. Considering that, the Talibans are a joke.
And, since you reffered to the mysoginic laws in Afghanistan, Karzais government recently brought them back. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 25, 2009 10:20:07 AM)
Head banger wrote:
the allies invaded poland after hitler was the legitimate govt also. doesnt make it wrong. their pupet govt seems to be on the right path now.
If the US, Canada and a bunch more had not invaded afganistan, the taliban would control both it and pakistan, and be moving north. your daughters or grand daughters would not be able to go to school, because if they learned to read the legitimate govt would say to throw acid in their face.
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
And the "terrorists" have shown that you cant go around punching them in the mouth and get away with it. Even if you are an American.
Now, am I supposed to believe that invading Afghanistan did not "mess" with the population? Come on. And even if allies do leave (which Im guessing will happen at one point or another), they will leave behind the puppet government, with its military, and the thing will go on. Besides, "give them, and we leave" is nothing but extortion. Worse, its bullying. Id like to see what would the allies do if N. Korea would be harbouring those terrorists. Or Russia, or China. Anyone with a decent military.
In any case, since we are talking about muslim terrorists... What about western terrorists? You, know, the people in planes that drop bombs, and most of the time dont even care what they hit? And the people who order them to do that? Sorry, but no one can be the judge here. And that is exactly it. The attitude that somehow "we" cant do wrong. That "our" soldiers are always on the right side. And worst of all, that America has the right to call good from bad, and act as the worlds policeman.
Strat, Afghanistan's borders are a safe haven for known terrorists, which is why our troops are there...not messing with the civilian population, but looking for specific individuals...if they don't want us there, help us find them and we will leave...end of story!!!...if you choose to call that an invasion, fine, but it is what it is...you don't go and punch the USA in the mouth and expect to get away with it...no matter WHO or WHERE you are!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end.
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Lmao, thats nothing. Check me again in twenty-thirty years, when I will be an old fart! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Monday, May 25, 2009 8:01:04 AM)
~ MG_Metalgoddess~ wrote:
LMAO Strat I knew you'd agree..... You are a riot man,....
_strat_ wrote:
Hear, hear. I agree. Part because I like bashing old people, and part becuase its true.
spapad wrote:
Apparently this woman thought she was driving a tank! Poor dear! Should be a sighting for it. Driving while too old! Im all for there being a cut off age that drivers have to start to pass an actuall driving test again, to insure their continued ability on the road.
(Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:06:31 PM)
Pray tell, who did fight for nazi Germany and Fascist Italy? Their armies and their soldiers. Most of them pretty much the same as allied soldiers, but happened to be drafted by the losing army. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:54:48 AM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Personally I'm glad our army are helping out in Afghanistan. Did you tell the bitch that if it wasn't for soldiers fighting the wrongs in the world she'd be speaking German today, thats if her ancestors hadn't been eradicated generations ago for being racially impure.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Invasion is as correct as can be. For better or for worse, Afghanistan got invaded.
As for liberation... That makes me laugh everytime I hear it. An army comes in, kills a whole lot of people, installs a puppet government, and thats liberation? There are liberators in Afghanistan, to be sure. The Taliban, and no one else. And as bad and medieval as they may seem, I hope they will win in the end. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 25, 2009 7:18:10 AM)
Head banger wrote:
invasion isnt the right term. going in to kick out terrorists and give the country back to the rest isnt conquoring it. its realy liberating it.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
People that disrespect the military and the people in it make me sick.
Becks wrote:
I understand what you mean, Strat. And I understand why you are offended too. Does sound very bizarre to me, rather an oxymoron really.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse.
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Hrmph... I will skip the memorial day thingy... We have our own holiday today. Or we would have, if our old country was still together.
So, to all 20 million, in all six republics, I wish a happy youth day, for what its worth, in hopes that we can keep ourselves from blowing eachother to bits for at least a few more decades.
Also explains a little modification to my profile:)
Hear, hear. I agree. Part because I like bashing old people, and part becuase its true. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:11:07 PM)
spapad wrote:
Apparently this woman thought she was driving a tank! Poor dear! Should be a sighting for it. Driving while too old! Im all for there being a cut off age that drivers have to start to pass an actuall driving test again, to insure their continued ability on the road.
(Quoting Message by ~ MG_Metalgoddess~ from Sunday, May 24, 2009 7:06:31 PM)
I agree, actualy. I mean, it looks like your troops are doing something worthile, at least. IDK, I dont want to be the judge here, but it beats the hell of our troops, that are there just to patrol, and fulfill NATOs desires. Thats what I find the most offensive, really. Our army is based on generations of guerrila fighters, who resisted foreign occupation, and now they are helping in an invasion? Perverse. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:47:23 PM)
Becks wrote:
Strat, I too oppose the war in Afghanistan, what I found offensive was this girls view which was entirely wrong - she has no idea what our troops actually do there, and saying that my husband, in a round about way, is a murderer, was offensive to me. The fact of the matter is, New Zealand troops are not there in a combat role, they are there to help the local people. And by all accounts, the locals are grateful for this help. I will not go around denouncing the work that they are doing when it is so desperately needed and welcomed.
You are entitled to your opinion, we just happen to have slightly differing views, LOL!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended.
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
Oh, I agree! Tour buses ftw. Getting your car damaged so far away from home must be a nightmare. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:37:04 PM)
spapad wrote:
I'll just stick to my feet and tour buses off continent. HA!! I did drive around Accapulco with two gay hairdressers from Texas and that way loads of fun. Seems safer to be in the car than be a pedestrian there. Of course this was Years ago, maybe something has changed.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, Ive seen that motorbike thing loads of times... Dangerous, but you get used to it.
I think that reckless driving is pretty much a south European thing, tho. Germans and Austrians drive very well. Very disciplined there, and whats more interesting, there is almost no police on the roads there. Over here, there is a police stakeout everywhere you look. In Italy, the traffic policemen stand by the road, watch the mayhem, and do nothing.
Yup, a continent of wonders, we are!
spapad wrote:
I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
spapad wrote:
Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
spapad wrote:
So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
I protest! We are not all alike! The French smell of garlic and cheese, the Russians drink vodka, Brits drive on the wrong side of the road, and we drunk drive. So there you have it, and incredible diversity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah yeah... You Euros!! All alike. I suppose it is no great surprise that you would mention "cheap" and Formula One in the same sentence....HAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Indy 500? Whats that? 500 indians?
Or is it that cheap rip-off of Formula 1?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Afternoon, kiddies!!! Just finished a rather enjoyable Indy 500. Looks like all is well here!!
Oh, Ive seen that motorbike thing loads of times... Dangerous, but you get used to it.
I think that reckless driving is pretty much a south European thing, tho. Germans and Austrians drive very well. Very disciplined there, and whats more interesting, there is almost no police on the roads there. Over here, there is a police stakeout everywhere you look. In Italy, the traffic policemen stand by the road, watch the mayhem, and do nothing.
I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
spapad wrote:
Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
spapad wrote:
So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
I protest! We are not all alike! The French smell of garlic and cheese, the Russians drink vodka, Brits drive on the wrong side of the road, and we drunk drive. So there you have it, and incredible diversity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah yeah... You Euros!! All alike. I suppose it is no great surprise that you would mention "cheap" and Formula One in the same sentence....HAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Indy 500? Whats that? 500 indians?
Or is it that cheap rip-off of Formula 1?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Afternoon, kiddies!!! Just finished a rather enjoyable Indy 500. Looks like all is well here!!
I am not moved. Now, of it were steaks... That would be something. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:18:36 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HOT DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Enjoy whatever you will be eating.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yank of a Thousand Hot Dogs???!?!?!?!?! BWWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! Great! NOW I am hungry!!!! I will be back later!!!!
Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
spapad wrote:
So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
I protest! We are not all alike! The French smell of garlic and cheese, the Russians drink vodka, Brits drive on the wrong side of the road, and we drunk drive. So there you have it, and incredible diversity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah yeah... You Euros!! All alike. I suppose it is no great surprise that you would mention "cheap" and Formula One in the same sentence....HAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Indy 500? Whats that? 500 indians?
Or is it that cheap rip-off of Formula 1?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Afternoon, kiddies!!! Just finished a rather enjoyable Indy 500. Looks like all is well here!!
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:07:48 PM)
spapad wrote:
So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
I protest! We are not all alike! The French smell of garlic and cheese, the Russians drink vodka, Brits drive on the wrong side of the road, and we drunk drive. So there you have it, and incredible diversity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah yeah... You Euros!! All alike. I suppose it is no great surprise that you would mention "cheap" and Formula One in the same sentence....HAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Indy 500? Whats that? 500 indians?
Or is it that cheap rip-off of Formula 1?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Afternoon, kiddies!!! Just finished a rather enjoyable Indy 500. Looks like all is well here!!
I thank you for the kindness, oh Yank of a thousand Hotdogs! Now, if I may be serious for a while (please?), I actually saw Indy 500 on TV once, and I actually liked it! Great stuff, seems that they have less limitations than F1 cars, and the tracks look a lot more interesting (read: faster, straighter and without those damn chicanes). Too bad we dont get it here. At least not that I would know about it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:05:18 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! Protest noted and confirmed!!
_strat_ wrote:
I protest! We are not all alike! The French smell of garlic and cheese, the Russians drink vodka, Brits drive on the wrong side of the road, and we drunk drive. So there you have it, and incredible diversity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah yeah... You Euros!! All alike. I suppose it is no great surprise that you would mention "cheap" and Formula One in the same sentence....HAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Indy 500? Whats that? 500 indians?
Or is it that cheap rip-off of Formula 1?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Afternoon, kiddies!!! Just finished a rather enjoyable Indy 500. Looks like all is well here!!
I protest! We are not all alike! The French smell of garlic and cheese, the Russians drink vodka, Brits drive on the wrong side of the road, and we drunk drive. So there you have it, and incredible diversity.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah yeah... You Euros!! All alike. I suppose it is no great surprise that you would mention "cheap" and Formula One in the same sentence....HAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Indy 500? Whats that? 500 indians?
Or is it that cheap rip-off of Formula 1?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Afternoon, kiddies!!! Just finished a rather enjoyable Indy 500. Looks like all is well here!!
First of all, let me say that I have absolutely no desire to offend Becks or her husband. I think of her as a friend, and I hope politics wont come between it.
But I have to respond to this.
I am not gratefull, not even a little bit. I oppose the war in Afghanistan, with this oh so precious freedom, that is brought up so often, and that is not the result of NATOs actions in Afghanistan.
Frankly, whats offensive is this "in your name" attitude, that the soldiers are there in our name, fighting for us... Even if we not only dont care for it, but we also dont want it. We have military there. Granted, not much, but theyre there... Doing pretty much what the New Zealanders seem to be doing. Patroling a relatively peacefull province, and not getting exposed. Fine. The problem is that they are there representing us. I cannot be gratefull for that. What I am is offended. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:11:04 PM)
joedraper wrote:
Becks, that girl is just ignorant! Nobody has the right to judge anyone and push their views onto anyone else.
I know it's hard not to react but pay her no heed.
You and your husband sacrifice so much so that others may have peace of mind and a safe, free world to live in. I may not have any desire to have a military life but I'm thankful to God for those who do. Those who put their lives on the line for strangers, the least those 'strangers' could be is grateful!
Becks wrote:
A girl at hockey pissed me off tonight real bad, thinking she can comment on what our military does in Afghanistan when she has no fuckin clue
I was talking to another girl on my hockey team (who is in the airforce) and mentioned that Craig had been in Afghanistan. This other girl heard and asked what he was doing there, I said 'Fixing the optical equipment and things like that' and she said 'Oh so they can go and kill people' me and the airforce girls were like um NO! And this stupid girl started going on about how murder is illegal here, but it's ok for soldiers to do it over there etc. Me and airforce girl were like um no it's provincial reconstruction (although admittedly, they would kill someone if they were in immediate danger) and stupid girl was like 'well I have a differing view'. WTF kind of view is that?! When it is entirely WRONG and pretty offensive to those of us who have family who have served. Silly cow.
In case any of you are wondering, New Zealands role over in Afghanistan is patrolling and helping the local people rebuild. Not so much out hunting for Taliban, although the patrolling that is done is to ensure security of the province - no front line conflict for our troops where they are. Although if the shit hit the fan where they are, they would become front line troops etc. Edited at: Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:37:05 AM
No. Data is cool. And so is Q. Kirk never had anything to do with Q. And Picard had a Klingon. Did Kirk have a Klingon? No, Kirk didnt have a Klingon. Picard had a cool uniform, very stylish. Did Kirk have a cool uniform, very stylish? No Kirk had a yellow tight shirt. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:52:25 PM)
Head banger wrote:
data is a rip off mr spock
_strat_ wrote:
Kirk never had a cool android.
Head banger wrote:
picard never got anyone to heal the horta
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yeah, they were short. But in Picards days, short skirts gave way to very, VERY tight costumes.
Picard went against borgs. Kirks main opponents were Klingons with bad makeup.
Head banger wrote:
but..... he.... could.....kick...... some.....ass.....
and the skirts were real short!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre right. A real captain would embarrase himself with bad acting.
Is it just me, or is Spock wearing make-up?
Head banger wrote:
lets not, no real captain would.
_strat_ wrote:
Ahem... Lets se Kirkie do this!
kiamat wrote:
Ahhh, don't feel bad Picard, just because you were never as awesome as the Kirkmeister. And you never got the girl.
_strat_ wrote:
I feel like bashing Kirk today...
Suuure you are...
Mhm. I wonder who they are talking about? Probably Sulu...
Nope. Havent seen it. Im not exactly a big fan of his. I will never forgive him his mutilation of Conan the Barbarian.
But, I remember a movie where he got pregnant. Thats interesting. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:29:54 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Have you seen "The 6th Day"? Getting three more Arnies would be a piece of cake. But STILLLLL!!!! It wouldn't be the same!!!!!!
We should all stay united as a state, man!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Four Californias are fine. But where are you going to find three more Arnies?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
NOOOOOO!!!!!! I prefer a UNITED California, dang it!!!!!!
Well, yeah, they were short. But in Picards days, short skirts gave way to very, VERY tight costumes.
Picard went against borgs. Kirks main opponents were Klingons with bad makeup. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 23, 2009 11:52:04 AM)
Head banger wrote:
but..... he.... could.....kick...... some.....ass.....
and the skirts were real short!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre right. A real captain would embarrase himself with bad acting.
Is it just me, or is Spock wearing make-up?
Head banger wrote:
lets not, no real captain would.
_strat_ wrote:
Ahem... Lets se Kirkie do this!
kiamat wrote:
Ahhh, don't feel bad Picard, just because you were never as awesome as the Kirkmeister. And you never got the girl.
_strat_ wrote:
I feel like bashing Kirk today...
Suuure you are...
Mhm. I wonder who they are talking about? Probably Sulu...
Four Californias are fine. But where are you going to find three more Arnies? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, May 23, 2009 12:20:24 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
NOOOOOO!!!!!! I prefer a UNITED California, dang it!!!!!!
If I remember right, there were a few issues when they brought up the Nostradamus look, but they were sorted out soon enough. No doubt these will be too.
Well, that would depend on the country. Big countries (geographicaly speaking) would have less problems with banning stuff. We, on the other hand... The nearest border is less than an hours drive away, and there I can buy all the tobbaco or booze that I could ever wish.
What I have a problem with, is if they limit things that are only hurting me. Ok, when you drive, you have to obey the rules. Not so much because of yourself, but because of others in the traffic. Same would go to drunk driving I guess. But drinking and NOT driving, smoking, eating greasy food... Thats something else. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, May 19, 2009 12:11:36 PM)
Head banger wrote:
beer here has way more tax. I am fine with the tax on the harmfull things, but it the govt is going to tell you whats bad for you, why not ban it? trafic laws, you have to wear a helmet on a bike, all keeping people safe, then here this is unsafe, pay more???? makes no sense. then again most of what govts do makes no sense.
_strat_ wrote:
On the first point I seriously doubt that. And I am opposed to all the extra taxes on tobbaco. If tobbaco, why not anything risky? A beer has as much tax on it as orange juice. Logic? Search me.
Head banger wrote:
on your first point, most studies here say that the tax on cigs doesnt pay all the cost of extra health care
on point 2, your right, and its oneof the dumbest laws writen that way. wonder what would happen if a 17 year old was smoking in a car alone. its against the law to smoke in a car with a minor, but ok for that minor to smoke? probably a ticket in that.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I can buy cigarettes or not. If I buy them, I pay the tax as a part of the price. And what do you mean with "keeping up with the cost"?
As for the thing with minors and cars and smoking... Every age limit is by itself discriminatory. That example just goes to show that, and it shows an example of a really stupid law.
Head banger wrote:
if you dont pay those taxes, the costs go down and they dont need those taxes. dunno about there, but here they dont keep up to the cost. mind you there is a lag, but not much can be done about the lag time.
here is a good one for you, its against the law to smoke with a minor in the car. so a 19 year old is driving with 2 17 year old friends. 19 year old sparks up a cig, gets pulled over. while he is getting a ticket, the 17 year olds both get out of the car and light a smoke. ticket still stands, but they can legaly smoke.
_strat_ wrote:
Now this is new. I was refering to the tax we pay as a part of the price of cigarettes. Paying separately seems just outrageous.
And the "per household" logic is just perverse. So, a family of five with just one smoker would pay the same as 2 or 3 smokers living together? And nicotine patches... Never been a fan of those, but if they really want to reduce smoking, they should make them easily accesible.
Then again, its the fundamental hypocrisy of the state (every state). On one hand, they accept laws to limit smoking, raise age limits and prices to limit acces to tobbacco. On the other hand, they realise full well that if we all suddenly quit, they lose an important source of tax income.
guidogodoy wrote:
Interesting convo as I just the other day got a letter from my insurance company saying that they would now slap all "tobacco users" with a $50 PER MONTH (per household) surcharge. Wow. As strat said, they are already hit BIG TIME in taxes.
I was thinking to myself....so smokers should move in with other smokers although I am not sure that simply "moving in" constitutes a "household" in the eyes of the insurance companies. They are planning to now cover patches, gum and such as perscription. Hmmm...interesting. Create either a group poor smokers or, most likely, a larger group of nicotine patch addicts! I wonder how Big Brother is going to catch them all? Edited at: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:43:07 PM
We cant either... Shame. It was so nice, a coffee and a smoke... But we will live, I guess.
I just wish that they would stop at that. Ok, you got us out of closed public spaces. No leave us alone! But no... They have to go and raise the prices. All the time! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Ellieke from Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:50:34 AM)
Ellieke wrote:
That's heavy !!! here in Belgium we can't smoke inside any public place or restaurant and they want to forbid it in a cafe aswell but that law isn't aproved yet. We do pay a lot of taxes on smokes but aparently it doesn't stop people from smoking. We can't buy smokes under the age of 18, but if somebody else buys them and you smoke them nobody will panic.
Head banger wrote:
if you dont pay those taxes, the costs go down and they dont need those taxes. dunno about there, but here they dont keep up to the cost. mind you there is a lag, but not much can be done about the lag time.
here is a good one for you, its against the law to smoke with a minor in the car. so a 19 year old is driving with 2 17 year old friends. 19 year old sparks up a cig, gets pulled over. while he is getting a ticket, the 17 year olds both get out of the car and light a smoke. ticket still stands, but they can legaly smoke.
_strat_ wrote:
Now this is new. I was refering to the tax we pay as a part of the price of cigarettes. Paying separately seems just outrageous.
And the "per household" logic is just perverse. So, a family of five with just one smoker would pay the same as 2 or 3 smokers living together? And nicotine patches... Never been a fan of those, but if they really want to reduce smoking, they should make them easily accesible.
Then again, its the fundamental hypocrisy of the state (every state). On one hand, they accept laws to limit smoking, raise age limits and prices to limit acces to tobbacco. On the other hand, they realise full well that if we all suddenly quit, they lose an important source of tax income.
guidogodoy wrote:
Interesting convo as I just the other day got a letter from my insurance company saying that they would now slap all "tobacco users" with a $50 PER MONTH (per household) surcharge. Wow. As strat said, they are already hit BIG TIME in taxes.
I was thinking to myself....so smokers should move in with other smokers although I am not sure that simply "moving in" constitutes a "household" in the eyes of the insurance companies. They are planning to now cover patches, gum and such as perscription. Hmmm...interesting. Create either a group poor smokers or, most likely, a larger group of nicotine patch addicts! I wonder how Big Brother is going to catch them all? Edited at: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:43:07 PM
On the first point I seriously doubt that. And I am opposed to all the extra taxes on tobbaco. If tobbaco, why not anything risky? A beer has as much tax on it as orange juice. Logic? Search me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, May 19, 2009 11:50:57 AM)
Head banger wrote:
on your first point, most studies here say that the tax on cigs doesnt pay all the cost of extra health care
on point 2, your right, and its oneof the dumbest laws writen that way. wonder what would happen if a 17 year old was smoking in a car alone. its against the law to smoke in a car with a minor, but ok for that minor to smoke? probably a ticket in that.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I can buy cigarettes or not. If I buy them, I pay the tax as a part of the price. And what do you mean with "keeping up with the cost"?
As for the thing with minors and cars and smoking... Every age limit is by itself discriminatory. That example just goes to show that, and it shows an example of a really stupid law.
Head banger wrote:
if you dont pay those taxes, the costs go down and they dont need those taxes. dunno about there, but here they dont keep up to the cost. mind you there is a lag, but not much can be done about the lag time.
here is a good one for you, its against the law to smoke with a minor in the car. so a 19 year old is driving with 2 17 year old friends. 19 year old sparks up a cig, gets pulled over. while he is getting a ticket, the 17 year olds both get out of the car and light a smoke. ticket still stands, but they can legaly smoke.
_strat_ wrote:
Now this is new. I was refering to the tax we pay as a part of the price of cigarettes. Paying separately seems just outrageous.
And the "per household" logic is just perverse. So, a family of five with just one smoker would pay the same as 2 or 3 smokers living together? And nicotine patches... Never been a fan of those, but if they really want to reduce smoking, they should make them easily accesible.
Then again, its the fundamental hypocrisy of the state (every state). On one hand, they accept laws to limit smoking, raise age limits and prices to limit acces to tobbacco. On the other hand, they realise full well that if we all suddenly quit, they lose an important source of tax income.
guidogodoy wrote:
Interesting convo as I just the other day got a letter from my insurance company saying that they would now slap all "tobacco users" with a $50 PER MONTH (per household) surcharge. Wow. As strat said, they are already hit BIG TIME in taxes.
I was thinking to myself....so smokers should move in with other smokers although I am not sure that simply "moving in" constitutes a "household" in the eyes of the insurance companies. They are planning to now cover patches, gum and such as perscription. Hmmm...interesting. Create either a group poor smokers or, most likely, a larger group of nicotine patch addicts! I wonder how Big Brother is going to catch them all? Edited at: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:43:07 PM
Well, I can buy cigarettes or not. If I buy them, I pay the tax as a part of the price. And what do you mean with "keeping up with the cost"?
As for the thing with minors and cars and smoking... Every age limit is by itself discriminatory. That example just goes to show that, and it shows an example of a really stupid law.
if you dont pay those taxes, the costs go down and they dont need those taxes. dunno about there, but here they dont keep up to the cost. mind you there is a lag, but not much can be done about the lag time.
here is a good one for you, its against the law to smoke with a minor in the car. so a 19 year old is driving with 2 17 year old friends. 19 year old sparks up a cig, gets pulled over. while he is getting a ticket, the 17 year olds both get out of the car and light a smoke. ticket still stands, but they can legaly smoke.
_strat_ wrote:
Now this is new. I was refering to the tax we pay as a part of the price of cigarettes. Paying separately seems just outrageous.
And the "per household" logic is just perverse. So, a family of five with just one smoker would pay the same as 2 or 3 smokers living together? And nicotine patches... Never been a fan of those, but if they really want to reduce smoking, they should make them easily accesible.
Then again, its the fundamental hypocrisy of the state (every state). On one hand, they accept laws to limit smoking, raise age limits and prices to limit acces to tobbacco. On the other hand, they realise full well that if we all suddenly quit, they lose an important source of tax income.
guidogodoy wrote:
Interesting convo as I just the other day got a letter from my insurance company saying that they would now slap all "tobacco users" with a $50 PER MONTH (per household) surcharge. Wow. As strat said, they are already hit BIG TIME in taxes.
I was thinking to myself....so smokers should move in with other smokers although I am not sure that simply "moving in" constitutes a "household" in the eyes of the insurance companies. They are planning to now cover patches, gum and such as perscription. Hmmm...interesting. Create either a group poor smokers or, most likely, a larger group of nicotine patch addicts! I wonder how Big Brother is going to catch them all? Edited at: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:43:07 PM
at least they are now trying to get people help to get off the demon weed. thats some progress, no?
guidogodoy wrote:
Interesting convo as I just the other day got a letter from my insurance company saying that they would now slap all "tobacco users" with a $50 PER MONTH (per household) surcharge. Wow. As strat said, they are already hit BIG TIME in taxes.
I was thinking to myself....so smokers should move in with other smokers although I am not sure that simply "moving in" constitutes a "household" in the eyes of the insurance companies. They are planning to now cover patches, gum and such as perscription. Hmmm...interesting. Create either a group poor smokers or, most likely, a larger group of nicotine patch addicts! I wonder how Big Brother is going to catch them all? Edited at: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:43:07 PM
Well, heres what I think... It should all be covered by insurance. Sex change, beauty operations, and the dentist. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 18, 2009 9:45:41 PM)
Head banger wrote:
yep. now apparently its a human rights issue. the realy stupid thing is the govt wants to eliminate funding for new applicants. but the transgender groups say thats discriminatory so the govt has to provide them funding to chalenge the proposed law in court. so we will pay 15 million in court costs and lawyers on both sides to chalenge a law that would save us 900k a year???
costs like you wrote are prohibitive. I dont see issue with a reasonable cost, here it was $44 per month single, $88 family (does not include drugs) that if you made less than 20K single, or 30 K family was waived.
seems like a good idea to have some separate payment rather than straight tax revenue (not a way to take more, just to show that health care costs to reduce people going to ER for a bandaid)
but health care should be a right.
spapad wrote:
Now that's insanity. You can get a sex change, but not your teeth cleaned? That makes sense, only to transexuals! I have great healthcare as long as I have a job, if I loose my job, I loose my healthcare. I could never afford what it cost's out of pocket. It cost me 200.00 a month just for me! My daughter is covered by her father, if I had to cover us both it would be 250.00 per pay check. Not something I could ever afford. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 18, 2009 7:47:49 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I agree. the only question is where does the right end and the privilege begin? Here our healthcare covers sex change opperations. is that a right? yet dental care is not covered, so something that everyone needs like teeth cleaning and xrays you pay for.
think how productive a society you could have if all the people were in fit state to work?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh , and one other thing; WHY is it that some say healthcare is NOT a right??? I mean, what person in their right mind would NOT think that every citizen of a country should be healthy and/or have the right to treatment?? Why on earth would anyone want even one person in the population to be sick or denied care?? Is it money? Seriously? Considering the waste of money that occurs daily one should think that the health of the population would be paramount. Afterall, we spend BILLIONS "protecting" the population with a military! Would it not be counter-productive and a complete WASTE of money to be paying for protection of a sick population?????
My "tax" dollars build better and more effective weapons to kill enemies that would (theoretically) harm our citizens. Doesn't sickness fall under the definition of "harm"????
Head banger wrote:
with insurance you pay based on the level of risk you present. But DF has a good point, the state will pay big time to treat a catestrophic failure, but nothing to prevent that. makes no sense. would be cheaper to treat people up front.
_strat_ wrote:
Not a blended scenarion. Public healthcare is what I meant all along.
As for stopping yourself from getting sick/injured... If we go that way, where do we draw the line? Not eating candy because you may have to go to the dentist? Not driving because you may have an accident (wheter by your or somebody elses fault)? If we choose that, than the only thing there is for us is to live in very small rooms with only one entrance, and a shotgun aimed at it all the time.
Head banger wrote:
a blended scenario??? should people not have some responsibility for their health? sure I cant control a hereditary disease, but I can stop myself from getting aids, drinking too much. (this said by the overweight hipocrit)\
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if everything government run really fails, whats the alternative? Private healthcare isnt doing any good, thats for sure.
I say you should keep it. Dont go down the same road we are going, to the place Americans are at already.
Head banger wrote:
personaly I think that people need to get adequate medical care. just as welfare should be there for those who cant find work (not baby machines etc) so should people not die of medical conditions that can be treated. there is a lot of talk in canada against a "2 tier" system, where the rich could access more than the poor, but in reality that exists now. a pro hockey player tears up his knee, he is on the table getting surgery by the time the swelling has gone down, joe blow will wait months. a WCB patient will wait a couple weeks.
I dont want to see people starve to death or die needlessly of disease, yet govt run anything seems to fail most times. at least here it does.
Now this is new. I was refering to the tax we pay as a part of the price of cigarettes. Paying separately seems just outrageous.
And the "per household" logic is just perverse. So, a family of five with just one smoker would pay the same as 2 or 3 smokers living together? And nicotine patches... Never been a fan of those, but if they really want to reduce smoking, they should make them easily accesible.
Then again, its the fundamental hypocrisy of the state (every state). On one hand, they accept laws to limit smoking, raise age limits and prices to limit acces to tobbacco. On the other hand, they realise full well that if we all suddenly quit, they lose an important source of tax income.
Interesting convo as I just the other day got a letter from my insurance company saying that they would now slap all "tobacco users" with a $50 PER MONTH (per household) surcharge. Wow. As strat said, they are already hit BIG TIME in taxes.
I was thinking to myself....so smokers should move in with other smokers although I am not sure that simply "moving in" constitutes a "household" in the eyes of the insurance companies. They are planning to now cover patches, gum and such as perscription. Hmmm...interesting. Create either a group poor smokers or, most likely, a larger group of nicotine patch addicts! I wonder how Big Brother is going to catch them all? Edited at: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:43:07 PM
Well, speaking from experience, taking care of your teeth does not neccesarily protect you from trouble. I always took care of my teeth, and I have one root canal and about half a dozen fillings.
In any case, as I said, some prevention can be done. Regular checkups, blood tests, whatever... But, you can still be the most healthy person in the world, and get hurt. You may have a car crash, there can be an earthquake, you can get cancer just from living in a city, and inhaling the exhaust fumes. Like I said, it would be a total mess, and that kind of a system may even cost more than the one we have now. Someone would have to evaluate those risks. A lot of people would have to be employed, and payed to keep the cost dow. A wonderfull paradox.
Now, if you get hurt for doing something really irresponisble, I would agree that you have to pay for at least some treatment yourself. But the guilt has to be clearly established and proven.
if you climb mountains you pay more, if you drink, smoke, eat lots of fatty foods.... should people who get traped on a mountain and need a hugely expensive rescue pay for it? now, to track that sort of thing in advance. probably mess is right.
health care can diagnose problems before they become significant, so that treatment is easier. like taking care of your teath rather than geting one infected and needing a root canal, or surgery.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, then it would be a matter of determining your risk level, which may change constantly. Changing jobs, moving, getting married or divorced, having kids... Loads of things would change it. We would end up with a complete mess.
As for prevention, there is only so much that can be done. Sure, you can get shots against diseases. But thats about as much as healthcare can do, I guess. No doctor can prevent your leg from breaking.
Head banger wrote:
with insurance you pay based on the level of risk you present. But DF has a good point, the state will pay big time to treat a catestrophic failure, but nothing to prevent that. makes no sense. would be cheaper to treat people up front.
_strat_ wrote:
Not a blended scenarion. Public healthcare is what I meant all along.
As for stopping yourself from getting sick/injured... If we go that way, where do we draw the line? Not eating candy because you may have to go to the dentist? Not driving because you may have an accident (wheter by your or somebody elses fault)? If we choose that, than the only thing there is for us is to live in very small rooms with only one entrance, and a shotgun aimed at it all the time.
Head banger wrote:
a blended scenario??? should people not have some responsibility for their health? sure I cant control a hereditary disease, but I can stop myself from getting aids, drinking too much. (this said by the overweight hipocrit)\
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if everything government run really fails, whats the alternative? Private healthcare isnt doing any good, thats for sure.
I say you should keep it. Dont go down the same road we are going, to the place Americans are at already.
Head banger wrote:
personaly I think that people need to get adequate medical care. just as welfare should be there for those who cant find work (not baby machines etc) so should people not die of medical conditions that can be treated. there is a lot of talk in canada against a "2 tier" system, where the rich could access more than the poor, but in reality that exists now. a pro hockey player tears up his knee, he is on the table getting surgery by the time the swelling has gone down, joe blow will wait months. a WCB patient will wait a couple weeks.
I dont want to see people starve to death or die needlessly of disease, yet govt run anything seems to fail most times. at least here it does.
Well, then it would be a matter of determining your risk level, which may change constantly. Changing jobs, moving, getting married or divorced, having kids... Loads of things would change it. We would end up with a complete mess.
As for prevention, there is only so much that can be done. Sure, you can get shots against diseases. But thats about as much as healthcare can do, I guess. No doctor can prevent your leg from breaking. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 18, 2009 1:18:40 PM)
Head banger wrote:
with insurance you pay based on the level of risk you present. But DF has a good point, the state will pay big time to treat a catestrophic failure, but nothing to prevent that. makes no sense. would be cheaper to treat people up front.
_strat_ wrote:
Not a blended scenarion. Public healthcare is what I meant all along.
As for stopping yourself from getting sick/injured... If we go that way, where do we draw the line? Not eating candy because you may have to go to the dentist? Not driving because you may have an accident (wheter by your or somebody elses fault)? If we choose that, than the only thing there is for us is to live in very small rooms with only one entrance, and a shotgun aimed at it all the time.
Head banger wrote:
a blended scenario??? should people not have some responsibility for their health? sure I cant control a hereditary disease, but I can stop myself from getting aids, drinking too much. (this said by the overweight hipocrit)\
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if everything government run really fails, whats the alternative? Private healthcare isnt doing any good, thats for sure.
I say you should keep it. Dont go down the same road we are going, to the place Americans are at already.
Head banger wrote:
personaly I think that people need to get adequate medical care. just as welfare should be there for those who cant find work (not baby machines etc) so should people not die of medical conditions that can be treated. there is a lot of talk in canada against a "2 tier" system, where the rich could access more than the poor, but in reality that exists now. a pro hockey player tears up his knee, he is on the table getting surgery by the time the swelling has gone down, joe blow will wait months. a WCB patient will wait a couple weeks.
I dont want to see people starve to death or die needlessly of disease, yet govt run anything seems to fail most times. at least here it does.
Absolutely. And if I get a bit broader, why stop at healthcare? Why dont we say that physical protection is not a right, and do away with police and courts? We would end up with a conclusion that anything organised by people is a waste of something, and go to the survival of the fittest. And that would be a waste of a couple of millenias worth of civilisation.
Oh , and one other thing; WHY is it that some say healthcare is NOT a right??? I mean, what person in their right mind would NOT think that every citizen of a country should be healthy and/or have the right to treatment?? Why on earth would anyone want even one person in the population to be sick or denied care?? Is it money? Seriously? Considering the waste of money that occurs daily one should think that the health of the population would be paramount. Afterall, we spend BILLIONS "protecting" the population with a military! Would it not be counter-productive and a complete WASTE of money to be paying for protection of a sick population?????
My "tax" dollars build better and more effective weapons to kill enemies that would (theoretically) harm our citizens. Doesn't sickness fall under the definition of "harm"????
Head banger wrote:
with insurance you pay based on the level of risk you present. But DF has a good point, the state will pay big time to treat a catestrophic failure, but nothing to prevent that. makes no sense. would be cheaper to treat people up front.
_strat_ wrote:
Not a blended scenarion. Public healthcare is what I meant all along.
As for stopping yourself from getting sick/injured... If we go that way, where do we draw the line? Not eating candy because you may have to go to the dentist? Not driving because you may have an accident (wheter by your or somebody elses fault)? If we choose that, than the only thing there is for us is to live in very small rooms with only one entrance, and a shotgun aimed at it all the time.
Head banger wrote:
a blended scenario??? should people not have some responsibility for their health? sure I cant control a hereditary disease, but I can stop myself from getting aids, drinking too much. (this said by the overweight hipocrit)\
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if everything government run really fails, whats the alternative? Private healthcare isnt doing any good, thats for sure.
I say you should keep it. Dont go down the same road we are going, to the place Americans are at already.
Head banger wrote:
personaly I think that people need to get adequate medical care. just as welfare should be there for those who cant find work (not baby machines etc) so should people not die of medical conditions that can be treated. there is a lot of talk in canada against a "2 tier" system, where the rich could access more than the poor, but in reality that exists now. a pro hockey player tears up his knee, he is on the table getting surgery by the time the swelling has gone down, joe blow will wait months. a WCB patient will wait a couple weeks.
I dont want to see people starve to death or die needlessly of disease, yet govt run anything seems to fail most times. at least here it does.
Personaly, I think that in this issue, trying not to get hurt is really beside the point. I dont know a single person that hasnt had treatment for something. We always can, and we do get hurt, sick, injured, and when that happens we should have healthcare. It is called insurance for a reason. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, May 18, 2009 11:47:23 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am not a huge advocate of social programs, surprisingly enough. A lot of what BS said is how I feel. I think socialized benefits have taken a wrong turn and become this leviathan that is out of control. Having said this, we are living in a country that spends hundreds of thousands a year on researching ways to reduce the smell of pig farms, yet we have people suffering with no health care..UNTIL they are throw in an ambulance and taken to a hospital. THEN, the state picks up the ENTIRE tab!!! Sometimes, this is HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars with NO reimbursement, yet they will not devise a system that provides for minimal preventive care. That simply makes NO sense. The money is being spent anyway! And MORE of it! Just on the back end.
I do not smoke. I do not drink. I drive but, fortunately, I have not had an accident and I have not had a ticket in twenty years. Doesn't mean much when some drunk plows into my car and kills me but, the point is, I try to live a life that is at least somewhat safe and healthy. If I contract some kind of disease, I want to know that I can afford to get treatment. I do not want a stipend every month for my "suffering". I just want to know that I can go get my medications and have a doctor guide me to recovery. It is ludicrous to suggest that such a desire is unfair.
And there is one thing I just have to comment on... Smokers not having the right to healthcare because of our habbit? We pay taxes since we buy our first pack. I doubt that there is a country in Europe that doesnt have at least a 100% tax on tobbaco. We not only cover the expenses of treating smoking related diseases, we go way beyond that.
So, if I ever get lung cancer, I will expect a full, public treatment, the best that money can buy.
Not a blended scenarion. Public healthcare is what I meant all along.
As for stopping yourself from getting sick/injured... If we go that way, where do we draw the line? Not eating candy because you may have to go to the dentist? Not driving because you may have an accident (wheter by your or somebody elses fault)? If we choose that, than the only thing there is for us is to live in very small rooms with only one entrance, and a shotgun aimed at it all the time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 18, 2009 11:23:00 AM)
Head banger wrote:
a blended scenario??? should people not have some responsibility for their health? sure I cant control a hereditary disease, but I can stop myself from getting aids, drinking too much. (this said by the overweight hipocrit)\
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if everything government run really fails, whats the alternative? Private healthcare isnt doing any good, thats for sure.
I say you should keep it. Dont go down the same road we are going, to the place Americans are at already.
Head banger wrote:
personaly I think that people need to get adequate medical care. just as welfare should be there for those who cant find work (not baby machines etc) so should people not die of medical conditions that can be treated. there is a lot of talk in canada against a "2 tier" system, where the rich could access more than the poor, but in reality that exists now. a pro hockey player tears up his knee, he is on the table getting surgery by the time the swelling has gone down, joe blow will wait months. a WCB patient will wait a couple weeks.
I dont want to see people starve to death or die needlessly of disease, yet govt run anything seems to fail most times. at least here it does.
Well, even if everything government run really fails, whats the alternative? Private healthcare isnt doing any good, thats for sure.
I say you should keep it. Dont go down the same road we are going, to the place Americans are at already. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 18, 2009 9:43:57 AM)
Head banger wrote:
personaly I think that people need to get adequate medical care. just as welfare should be there for those who cant find work (not baby machines etc) so should people not die of medical conditions that can be treated. there is a lot of talk in canada against a "2 tier" system, where the rich could access more than the poor, but in reality that exists now. a pro hockey player tears up his knee, he is on the table getting surgery by the time the swelling has gone down, joe blow will wait months. a WCB patient will wait a couple weeks.
I dont want to see people starve to death or die needlessly of disease, yet govt run anything seems to fail most times. at least here it does.
And of course, tax payers and patients are not the same people at all... Right? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, May 18, 2009 10:52:53 AM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Health care is not a right. It is not given to anyone as a sense of entitlement. Certainly not anymore than leading a healthy lifestyle. If you practice good health, then you should be justly rewarded or subsidized in some regards for that decision. If not, then treating your ailment with taxpayers dollars should be questioned. Smokers, drinkers, substance abusers, those who do not practice safe sex, those who do not wear helmets while cycling or riding a motor scooter. These are all choices we make. And if those choices are somehow compromised by our poor judgement and poor decision making, should it be my moral oblgation and responsibility to allow my hard payed tax dollars to treat your misfortune? a. Hammerstein
Same here. The only way it should be, imo. Health is a right, not a commodity. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Ellieke from Monday, May 18, 2009 4:27:04 AM)
Ellieke wrote:
In Belgium everybody had medical care. You can buy more if you want but you don't need to.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, I wont get personal here, not in this thread, where tensions are high enough as it is.
The only thing I will say is that, even in these last years of our welfare state (or at least so it looks) the words "medical bill" are unheard of. Comes from public healthcare, which is another benefit of a welfare state. If you need medical assistance, you get it, period. Not as good as it used to be (due to privatisation of healthcare), but it is there. Always. Frankly, I dont know how America can even be considered a developed nation, without something as basic as that.
Now facts... There are and were a lot of cases around the world. In these times, it would be the Scandinavian social democracies (Sweden in particular), and in the past, some socialist countries, like Czhecoslovakia, USSR, Yugoslavia... Enough jobs, so everyone that wanted to work could, and if you couldnt work, a decent welfare system, plus good pensions.
spapad wrote:
Show me the facts on this! I know from experience when I left my X and was officially homeless in the state's eyes, I applied for emergency aid. I Got 35.00 dollars for that. I never wanted to be unemployed nor did I ever want to apply for famis, but at the time, It was the only way I had to cover my medical bills. Otherwise, I would never had appplied for that. I got my ribs kicked in and black eyes with a somewhat cracked nose, and I needed the benefits only to cover my medical bills, and guess what! The state did not cover it! Even homeless, because I was not officially separated from my soon to be X, they said I didn't need help.
Dont tell me about your ideals! i know how pitiful the system works and I do object.
_strat_ wrote:
It isnt a way to live. Like I said, its supposed to be the minimum. Now, of course, there people who abuse it. But how many are there that need it, through no fault of their own? Especialy in these times, when the unemployment is soaring. Should people that lost their jobs just starve to death? And all just because a moron in a white shirt fucked something up.
And what is interesting the most is that countries where good welfare is combined with good employment oportunity actualy suffer less poverty (now who would have thought?), and all that goes with it (particulary crime).
spapad wrote:
Welfare is the minimum you can get by on for most people. There are some who abuse the system by becoming baby machines so they never have to work.
A welfare state is stupid. Why do people think that is a way to live. Tenaments of welfare are always overrun with drugs and violence. So you have a roof over your head but your children will end up being junkies and prostitutes. Great idea! Pffft! If I needed a way to live without working when there is something wrong with me then maybe they should just lock me up for being a worthless individual. If your that lazy, that's what you deserve. Edited at: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:57:27 PM
Well, I absolutely think that the office that does welfare should investigate, and try as best as it can to prevent abuses. I guess that it will never be 100% abuse-proof, but I certainly dont think that just because some people abuse it, that those that really need it should be left without it.
Good morning strat...I do have to chime in on this part of the conversation...when someone applies for Gov. aid, assuming the laws and regulations are relatively the same, the office that one applies to has to investigate the claimants claims of poverty (or whatever)...considering spapad was technically still married, they probably saw fit that her husband should be obligated to cover her medical...all offices are like that, they'll take care of (partially or in whole) if there is no other obligated party to do so...but that doesn't apply to everyone...women, infants and children take priority, it is very. very rare that a male is able to collect any kind of Gov. aid unless they are disabled or are single, jobless parents, and even then they have to sign a document allowing them to garnish wages at a later date when they are back on their feet, but not women (at least in Indiana)...and if a woman with child(ren) is on Gov, aid, they get the SSN of the father and track him down and garnish his wages to help recover their costs...in no way or at any time can someone just walk into an office and walk out with benefits that day unless it is an emergency and you can prove it...usually you get to the interview stage and you're handed a piece of paper that requests a boat load of information, most of which you don't have with you, then another appointment once you've gathered all the info, then an investigation (yes, they will come to your home and inspect!!)...it's quite a lengthy process...our hospitals are only legally bound to stop the bleeding (life saving measures) otherwise, you are on your own...this is how welfare/Gov. aid works here (in general)...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, I wont get personal here, not in this thread, where tensions are high enough as it is.
The only thing I will say is that, even in these last years of our welfare state (or at least so it looks) the words "medical bill" are unheard of. Comes from public healthcare, which is another benefit of a welfare state. If you need medical assistance, you get it, period. Not as good as it used to be (due to privatisation of healthcare), but it is there. Always. Frankly, I dont know how America can even be considered a developed nation, without something as basic as that.
Now facts... There are and were a lot of cases around the world. In these times, it would be the Scandinavian social democracies (Sweden in particular), and in the past, some socialist countries, like Czhecoslovakia, USSR, Yugoslavia... Enough jobs, so everyone that wanted to work could, and if you couldnt work, a decent welfare system, plus good pensions.
spapad wrote:
Show me the facts on this! I know from experience when I left my X and was officially homeless in the state's eyes, I applied for emergency aid. I Got 35.00 dollars for that. I never wanted to be unemployed nor did I ever want to apply for famis, but at the time, It was the only way I had to cover my medical bills. Otherwise, I would never had appplied for that. I got my ribs kicked in and black eyes with a somewhat cracked nose, and I needed the benefits only to cover my medical bills, and guess what! The state did not cover it! Even homeless, because I was not officially separated from my soon to be X, they said I didn't need help.
Dont tell me about your ideals! i know how pitiful the system works and I do object.
_strat_ wrote:
It isnt a way to live. Like I said, its supposed to be the minimum. Now, of course, there people who abuse it. But how many are there that need it, through no fault of their own? Especialy in these times, when the unemployment is soaring. Should people that lost their jobs just starve to death? And all just because a moron in a white shirt fucked something up.
And what is interesting the most is that countries where good welfare is combined with good employment oportunity actualy suffer less poverty (now who would have thought?), and all that goes with it (particulary crime).
spapad wrote:
Welfare is the minimum you can get by on for most people. There are some who abuse the system by becoming baby machines so they never have to work.
A welfare state is stupid. Why do people think that is a way to live. Tenaments of welfare are always overrun with drugs and violence. So you have a roof over your head but your children will end up being junkies and prostitutes. Great idea! Pffft! If I needed a way to live without working when there is something wrong with me then maybe they should just lock me up for being a worthless individual. If your that lazy, that's what you deserve. Edited at: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:57:27 PM
Well, first of all, I wont get personal here, not in this thread, where tensions are high enough as it is.
The only thing I will say is that, even in these last years of our welfare state (or at least so it looks) the words "medical bill" are unheard of. Comes from public healthcare, which is another benefit of a welfare state. If you need medical assistance, you get it, period. Not as good as it used to be (due to privatisation of healthcare), but it is there. Always. Frankly, I dont know how America can even be considered a developed nation, without something as basic as that.
Now facts... There are and were a lot of cases around the world. In these times, it would be the Scandinavian social democracies (Sweden in particular), and in the past, some socialist countries, like Czhecoslovakia, USSR, Yugoslavia... Enough jobs, so everyone that wanted to work could, and if you couldnt work, a decent welfare system, plus good pensions. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 17, 2009 7:31:03 PM)
spapad wrote:
Show me the facts on this! I know from experience when I left my X and was officially homeless in the state's eyes, I applied for emergency aid. I Got 35.00 dollars for that. I never wanted to be unemployed nor did I ever want to apply for famis, but at the time, It was the only way I had to cover my medical bills. Otherwise, I would never had appplied for that. I got my ribs kicked in and black eyes with a somewhat cracked nose, and I needed the benefits only to cover my medical bills, and guess what! The state did not cover it! Even homeless, because I was not officially separated from my soon to be X, they said I didn't need help.
Dont tell me about your ideals! i know how pitiful the system works and I do object.
_strat_ wrote:
It isnt a way to live. Like I said, its supposed to be the minimum. Now, of course, there people who abuse it. But how many are there that need it, through no fault of their own? Especialy in these times, when the unemployment is soaring. Should people that lost their jobs just starve to death? And all just because a moron in a white shirt fucked something up.
And what is interesting the most is that countries where good welfare is combined with good employment oportunity actualy suffer less poverty (now who would have thought?), and all that goes with it (particulary crime).
spapad wrote:
Welfare is the minimum you can get by on for most people. There are some who abuse the system by becoming baby machines so they never have to work.
A welfare state is stupid. Why do people think that is a way to live. Tenaments of welfare are always overrun with drugs and violence. So you have a roof over your head but your children will end up being junkies and prostitutes. Great idea! Pffft! If I needed a way to live without working when there is something wrong with me then maybe they should just lock me up for being a worthless individual. If your that lazy, that's what you deserve. Edited at: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:57:27 PM
It isnt a way to live. Like I said, its supposed to be the minimum. Now, of course, there people who abuse it. But how many are there that need it, through no fault of their own? Especialy in these times, when the unemployment is soaring. Should people that lost their jobs just starve to death? And all just because a moron in a white shirt fucked something up.
And what is interesting the most is that countries where good welfare is combined with good employment oportunity actualy suffer less poverty (now who would have thought?), and all that goes with it (particulary crime). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:44:25 PM)
spapad wrote:
Welfare is the minimum you can get by on for most people. There are some who abuse the system by becoming baby machines so they never have to work.
A welfare state is stupid. Why do people think that is a way to live. Tenaments of welfare are always overrun with drugs and violence. So you have a roof over your head but your children will end up being junkies and prostitutes. Great idea! Pffft! If I needed a way to live without working when there is something wrong with me then maybe they should just lock me up for being a worthless individual. If your that lazy, that's what you deserve. Edited at: Sunday, May 17, 2009 2:57:27 PM
True. Well, I guess a couple of millions wouldnt hurt me. Im that modest. Dont expect it tho, thats why I dont play it. I figure its best to keep the money that I would spend on it, and I dont mean to risk it all for a fortune.
want and expect are different. I sure as hell want to. expect to is different. but I saw a study a while ago that 10% of canadians are counting on the lotto for their retirement. thats stupid
_strat_ wrote:
Frankly, I dont think most people want to "win the lotto", or are at least not seriously expecting it. A normal, decent life would suffice, at least for me.
Head banger wrote:
its harder, and it also is unlikely people will try. its the same with the lotto, more people buy when the prize is 40 mill than 2 mil. your odds of winning are the same, and realy, 2 mil is a good prize, but its not inspiring.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, it makes it harder too reach for the stars, but at least it guarantees a certain minimum that you can always count on, no matter how down on your luck you may be.
Head banger wrote:
but... the welfare state provides less incentive to work, reducing the total production of the state, so everyone has less
_strat_ wrote:
Of course it matters. Its just this pride and all the emotion that goes with it (speaking of nationality here) that I dont understand. Come tho think of it, I dont want to understand it.
The government sets things up, and thats about as much as it can do. A certain number (a majority) of people still have to work.
And as far as Im concerned, while it has its drawbacks, a welfare state is a very good thing. Does much more good than harm.
Head banger wrote:
ah, but you said that nothing from before your birth mattered.
the government absolutly depends on its people, but many governments set things up so the people depend on it, and cant take actions for themselfs.
_strat_ wrote:
Then I should also be ashamed for what they did wrong. And why stop at parents? Why not go back all the way to that first monkey that jumped off a tree and said "oh, Im tired of eating bananas. I want some BBQ!" and invented fire.
That, and family and nation are two very different things.
Head banger wrote:
so you feel no pride in what your parents acomplished?
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Grey uniforms. VERY funny.
Personaly, pride is for something I achieved, not something that was determined from birth.
Names and nationality have very little in common. For a start, the parents can choose the name of the child, whereas the nationality is predetermined. And why would I be proud of where I come from? Why would you be, for that matter? What history do you come from? As far as Im concerned, my history started when I was born, not a day before.
spapad wrote:
So pride in being who you are from where your from is shunned in your ideal society? Does everyone wear gray uniforms and have a number instead of a name? The act of giving a child a name is in and of itself showing pride in who that person is and where and what history they come from.
No thanks.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its associated with patriotism/nationalism, which nowadays is most commonly associated with the political right. When this has happened, I couldnt say, but it used to be pretty neutral, Im sure. Even Stalin resorted to nationalism in WW2, as did our leaders in WW2 and on, even tho they were leftists.
Basicaly, somewhere in the mid 20th century, most radical leftists in the west returned to the old idea of internationalism, as opposed to nationalism, or patriotism. I guess we can find some reasons in that.
As far as Im concerned, its bullshit. Basicly its saying: dont complain, work, be a good citizen, and do whatever we tell you. Theres more than a bit of fascism in that quote. Its why I personaly oppose any pride or feelings of affection for ones country, ethnic group or race.
Head banger wrote:
in the 60 a left/center politician named kenedy uttered this famous line "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" today that would be a very right wing idea. what has caused this shift in ideals and is it a good or bad thing?
Frankly, I dont think most people want to "win the lotto", or are at least not seriously expecting it. A normal, decent life would suffice, at least for me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:56:57 PM)
Head banger wrote:
its harder, and it also is unlikely people will try. its the same with the lotto, more people buy when the prize is 40 mill than 2 mil. your odds of winning are the same, and realy, 2 mil is a good prize, but its not inspiring.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, it makes it harder too reach for the stars, but at least it guarantees a certain minimum that you can always count on, no matter how down on your luck you may be.
Head banger wrote:
but... the welfare state provides less incentive to work, reducing the total production of the state, so everyone has less
_strat_ wrote:
Of course it matters. Its just this pride and all the emotion that goes with it (speaking of nationality here) that I dont understand. Come tho think of it, I dont want to understand it.
The government sets things up, and thats about as much as it can do. A certain number (a majority) of people still have to work.
And as far as Im concerned, while it has its drawbacks, a welfare state is a very good thing. Does much more good than harm.
Head banger wrote:
ah, but you said that nothing from before your birth mattered.
the government absolutly depends on its people, but many governments set things up so the people depend on it, and cant take actions for themselfs.
_strat_ wrote:
Then I should also be ashamed for what they did wrong. And why stop at parents? Why not go back all the way to that first monkey that jumped off a tree and said "oh, Im tired of eating bananas. I want some BBQ!" and invented fire.
That, and family and nation are two very different things.
Head banger wrote:
so you feel no pride in what your parents acomplished?
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Grey uniforms. VERY funny.
Personaly, pride is for something I achieved, not something that was determined from birth.
Names and nationality have very little in common. For a start, the parents can choose the name of the child, whereas the nationality is predetermined. And why would I be proud of where I come from? Why would you be, for that matter? What history do you come from? As far as Im concerned, my history started when I was born, not a day before.
spapad wrote:
So pride in being who you are from where your from is shunned in your ideal society? Does everyone wear gray uniforms and have a number instead of a name? The act of giving a child a name is in and of itself showing pride in who that person is and where and what history they come from.
No thanks.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its associated with patriotism/nationalism, which nowadays is most commonly associated with the political right. When this has happened, I couldnt say, but it used to be pretty neutral, Im sure. Even Stalin resorted to nationalism in WW2, as did our leaders in WW2 and on, even tho they were leftists.
Basicaly, somewhere in the mid 20th century, most radical leftists in the west returned to the old idea of internationalism, as opposed to nationalism, or patriotism. I guess we can find some reasons in that.
As far as Im concerned, its bullshit. Basicly its saying: dont complain, work, be a good citizen, and do whatever we tell you. Theres more than a bit of fascism in that quote. Its why I personaly oppose any pride or feelings of affection for ones country, ethnic group or race.
Head banger wrote:
in the 60 a left/center politician named kenedy uttered this famous line "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" today that would be a very right wing idea. what has caused this shift in ideals and is it a good or bad thing?
Well, it makes it harder too reach for the stars, but at least it guarantees a certain minimum that you can always count on, no matter how down on your luck you may be. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, May 17, 2009 12:46:19 PM)
Head banger wrote:
but... the welfare state provides less incentive to work, reducing the total production of the state, so everyone has less
_strat_ wrote:
Of course it matters. Its just this pride and all the emotion that goes with it (speaking of nationality here) that I dont understand. Come tho think of it, I dont want to understand it.
The government sets things up, and thats about as much as it can do. A certain number (a majority) of people still have to work.
And as far as Im concerned, while it has its drawbacks, a welfare state is a very good thing. Does much more good than harm.
Head banger wrote:
ah, but you said that nothing from before your birth mattered.
the government absolutly depends on its people, but many governments set things up so the people depend on it, and cant take actions for themselfs.
_strat_ wrote:
Then I should also be ashamed for what they did wrong. And why stop at parents? Why not go back all the way to that first monkey that jumped off a tree and said "oh, Im tired of eating bananas. I want some BBQ!" and invented fire.
That, and family and nation are two very different things.
Head banger wrote:
so you feel no pride in what your parents acomplished?
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Grey uniforms. VERY funny.
Personaly, pride is for something I achieved, not something that was determined from birth.
Names and nationality have very little in common. For a start, the parents can choose the name of the child, whereas the nationality is predetermined. And why would I be proud of where I come from? Why would you be, for that matter? What history do you come from? As far as Im concerned, my history started when I was born, not a day before.
spapad wrote:
So pride in being who you are from where your from is shunned in your ideal society? Does everyone wear gray uniforms and have a number instead of a name? The act of giving a child a name is in and of itself showing pride in who that person is and where and what history they come from.
No thanks.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its associated with patriotism/nationalism, which nowadays is most commonly associated with the political right. When this has happened, I couldnt say, but it used to be pretty neutral, Im sure. Even Stalin resorted to nationalism in WW2, as did our leaders in WW2 and on, even tho they were leftists.
Basicaly, somewhere in the mid 20th century, most radical leftists in the west returned to the old idea of internationalism, as opposed to nationalism, or patriotism. I guess we can find some reasons in that.
As far as Im concerned, its bullshit. Basicly its saying: dont complain, work, be a good citizen, and do whatever we tell you. Theres more than a bit of fascism in that quote. Its why I personaly oppose any pride or feelings of affection for ones country, ethnic group or race.
Head banger wrote:
in the 60 a left/center politician named kenedy uttered this famous line "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" today that would be a very right wing idea. what has caused this shift in ideals and is it a good or bad thing?
Who said that Green Day suck? One of my favourite bands! If I remember right, American Idiot was the first (or one of the first, anyway) albums that I bought. Still love it! And "Do you know your enemy" is a GREAT tune.
You might want to check out some of their early stuff too. Great music. Not a lot of "musicianship", but it has nice, simple riffs, cool melodies... Im sure you heard Basket Case, and When I come around. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, May 17, 2009 11:06:22 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well now, I am back from the store. Threw some clothes into the washer and thought I would sit down and watch Saturday Night Live (I taped it from last night). Now then, I may catch ALL kinds of hell from some of you BUT...I just watched Green Day perform "Do You KNow Your Enemy' and I have to say, I actually liked it! Very catchy tune and a much fuller sound from them now that they have added a "lead" guitarist and more backing vocals. That Billy guy has a nice voice and it is a GOOD song. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know, I know...Green Day sucks...blah, blah, blah. I really liked it. Sorry.
Of course it matters. Its just this pride and all the emotion that goes with it (speaking of nationality here) that I dont understand. Come tho think of it, I dont want to understand it.
The government sets things up, and thats about as much as it can do. A certain number (a majority) of people still have to work.
And as far as Im concerned, while it has its drawbacks, a welfare state is a very good thing. Does much more good than harm. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:21:17 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ah, but you said that nothing from before your birth mattered.
the government absolutly depends on its people, but many governments set things up so the people depend on it, and cant take actions for themselfs.
_strat_ wrote:
Then I should also be ashamed for what they did wrong. And why stop at parents? Why not go back all the way to that first monkey that jumped off a tree and said "oh, Im tired of eating bananas. I want some BBQ!" and invented fire.
That, and family and nation are two very different things.
Head banger wrote:
so you feel no pride in what your parents acomplished?
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Grey uniforms. VERY funny.
Personaly, pride is for something I achieved, not something that was determined from birth.
Names and nationality have very little in common. For a start, the parents can choose the name of the child, whereas the nationality is predetermined. And why would I be proud of where I come from? Why would you be, for that matter? What history do you come from? As far as Im concerned, my history started when I was born, not a day before.
spapad wrote:
So pride in being who you are from where your from is shunned in your ideal society? Does everyone wear gray uniforms and have a number instead of a name? The act of giving a child a name is in and of itself showing pride in who that person is and where and what history they come from.
No thanks.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its associated with patriotism/nationalism, which nowadays is most commonly associated with the political right. When this has happened, I couldnt say, but it used to be pretty neutral, Im sure. Even Stalin resorted to nationalism in WW2, as did our leaders in WW2 and on, even tho they were leftists.
Basicaly, somewhere in the mid 20th century, most radical leftists in the west returned to the old idea of internationalism, as opposed to nationalism, or patriotism. I guess we can find some reasons in that.
As far as Im concerned, its bullshit. Basicly its saying: dont complain, work, be a good citizen, and do whatever we tell you. Theres more than a bit of fascism in that quote. Its why I personaly oppose any pride or feelings of affection for ones country, ethnic group or race.
Head banger wrote:
in the 60 a left/center politician named kenedy uttered this famous line "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" today that would be a very right wing idea. what has caused this shift in ideals and is it a good or bad thing?
Lol. Yes, I know. I was correcting HB. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:59:12 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
7,62 is the G-3!! 5,56 is the G-36!!
_strat_ wrote:
Its 7,62.
Phantom, get the M70, the Yugoslav Kalashnikov. NOTHING better.
Head banger wrote:
well, any weapon made by the maker of barbie is not so good. besides, 5.56mm doesnt knock someone on their ass like a 7.47mm
_strat_ wrote:
Wouldnt you prefer the M16? I mean, the AK 47 is so... socialist.
Head banger wrote:
forget the boss, I want the union rep to bitch about me writing up some asshole who desparatly needs it. I would hold meetings with an AK 47 on the desk if I could
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Lets see the boss bother you when you are the grim reaper himself!
Head banger wrote:
nice costume. I should get one of those for the office wall.
_strat_ wrote:
Wow! Thanks to each and everyone!
But, since there was some slander directed at me...
HB, this is what I shave with:
And I wear a big black cloak. But that is beside the point.
And Freeze, a dictionary would be awesome. Particulary one that explains double entendres!
Well, since the US is not your average nation-state, I guess that would convey a different message in the US than in Europe.
As for helping my country - why should I? I dont owe a single thing to my country.
That, and every government depends on the people, and never vice versa. The government doesnt produce anything, its only role is to rule and manage. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:43:39 PM)
Head banger wrote:
what was meant by this phrase, IMO was not a nationalistic message, but that people should do all they can to help their country, rather than asking for help. in short independance, not dependance. now the left calls for more people to behave in a way more dependant on the government, people depend on the govt, not govt on people
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its associated with patriotism/nationalism, which nowadays is most commonly associated with the political right. When this has happened, I couldnt say, but it used to be pretty neutral, Im sure. Even Stalin resorted to nationalism in WW2, as did our leaders in WW2 and on, even tho they were leftists.
Basicaly, somewhere in the mid 20th century, most radical leftists in the west returned to the old idea of internationalism, as opposed to nationalism, or patriotism. I guess we can find some reasons in that.
As far as Im concerned, its bullshit. Basicly its saying: dont complain, work, be a good citizen, and do whatever we tell you. Theres more than a bit of fascism in that quote. Its why I personaly oppose any pride or feelings of affection for ones country, ethnic group or race.
Head banger wrote:
in the 60 a left/center politician named kenedy uttered this famous line "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" today that would be a very right wing idea. what has caused this shift in ideals and is it a good or bad thing?
Then I should also be ashamed for what they did wrong. And why stop at parents? Why not go back all the way to that first monkey that jumped off a tree and said "oh, Im tired of eating bananas. I want some BBQ!" and invented fire.
That, and family and nation are two very different things. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 16, 2009 6:41:41 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so you feel no pride in what your parents acomplished?
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Grey uniforms. VERY funny.
Personaly, pride is for something I achieved, not something that was determined from birth.
Names and nationality have very little in common. For a start, the parents can choose the name of the child, whereas the nationality is predetermined. And why would I be proud of where I come from? Why would you be, for that matter? What history do you come from? As far as Im concerned, my history started when I was born, not a day before.
spapad wrote:
So pride in being who you are from where your from is shunned in your ideal society? Does everyone wear gray uniforms and have a number instead of a name? The act of giving a child a name is in and of itself showing pride in who that person is and where and what history they come from.
No thanks.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its associated with patriotism/nationalism, which nowadays is most commonly associated with the political right. When this has happened, I couldnt say, but it used to be pretty neutral, Im sure. Even Stalin resorted to nationalism in WW2, as did our leaders in WW2 and on, even tho they were leftists.
Basicaly, somewhere in the mid 20th century, most radical leftists in the west returned to the old idea of internationalism, as opposed to nationalism, or patriotism. I guess we can find some reasons in that.
As far as Im concerned, its bullshit. Basicly its saying: dont complain, work, be a good citizen, and do whatever we tell you. Theres more than a bit of fascism in that quote. Its why I personaly oppose any pride or feelings of affection for ones country, ethnic group or race.
Head banger wrote:
in the 60 a left/center politician named kenedy uttered this famous line "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" today that would be a very right wing idea. what has caused this shift in ideals and is it a good or bad thing?
Personaly, pride is for something I achieved, not something that was determined from birth.
Names and nationality have very little in common. For a start, the parents can choose the name of the child, whereas the nationality is predetermined. And why would I be proud of where I come from? Why would you be, for that matter? What history do you come from? As far as Im concerned, my history started when I was born, not a day before.
So pride in being who you are from where your from is shunned in your ideal society? Does everyone wear gray uniforms and have a number instead of a name? The act of giving a child a name is in and of itself showing pride in who that person is and where and what history they come from.
No thanks.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Its associated with patriotism/nationalism, which nowadays is most commonly associated with the political right. When this has happened, I couldnt say, but it used to be pretty neutral, Im sure. Even Stalin resorted to nationalism in WW2, as did our leaders in WW2 and on, even tho they were leftists.
Basicaly, somewhere in the mid 20th century, most radical leftists in the west returned to the old idea of internationalism, as opposed to nationalism, or patriotism. I guess we can find some reasons in that.
As far as Im concerned, its bullshit. Basicly its saying: dont complain, work, be a good citizen, and do whatever we tell you. Theres more than a bit of fascism in that quote. Its why I personaly oppose any pride or feelings of affection for ones country, ethnic group or race.
Head banger wrote:
in the 60 a left/center politician named kenedy uttered this famous line "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" today that would be a very right wing idea. what has caused this shift in ideals and is it a good or bad thing?
Phantom, get the M70, the Yugoslav Kalashnikov. NOTHING better. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:51:14 PM)
Head banger wrote:
well, any weapon made by the maker of barbie is not so good. besides, 5.56mm doesnt knock someone on their ass like a 7.47mm
_strat_ wrote:
Wouldnt you prefer the M16? I mean, the AK 47 is so... socialist.
Head banger wrote:
forget the boss, I want the union rep to bitch about me writing up some asshole who desparatly needs it. I would hold meetings with an AK 47 on the desk if I could
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Lets see the boss bother you when you are the grim reaper himself!
Head banger wrote:
nice costume. I should get one of those for the office wall.
_strat_ wrote:
Wow! Thanks to each and everyone!
But, since there was some slander directed at me...
HB, this is what I shave with:
And I wear a big black cloak. But that is beside the point.
And Freeze, a dictionary would be awesome. Particulary one that explains double entendres!
Wouldnt you prefer the M16? I mean, the AK 47 is so... socialist. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:49:14 PM)
Head banger wrote:
forget the boss, I want the union rep to bitch about me writing up some asshole who desparatly needs it. I would hold meetings with an AK 47 on the desk if I could
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Lets see the boss bother you when you are the grim reaper himself!
Head banger wrote:
nice costume. I should get one of those for the office wall.
_strat_ wrote:
Wow! Thanks to each and everyone!
But, since there was some slander directed at me...
HB, this is what I shave with:
And I wear a big black cloak. But that is beside the point.
And Freeze, a dictionary would be awesome. Particulary one that explains double entendres!
Well... Its associated with patriotism/nationalism, which nowadays is most commonly associated with the political right. When this has happened, I couldnt say, but it used to be pretty neutral, Im sure. Even Stalin resorted to nationalism in WW2, as did our leaders in WW2 and on, even tho they were leftists.
Basicaly, somewhere in the mid 20th century, most radical leftists in the west returned to the old idea of internationalism, as opposed to nationalism, or patriotism. I guess we can find some reasons in that.
As far as Im concerned, its bullshit. Basicly its saying: dont complain, work, be a good citizen, and do whatever we tell you. Theres more than a bit of fascism in that quote. Its why I personaly oppose any pride or feelings of affection for ones country, ethnic group or race. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 16, 2009 2:26:09 PM)
Head banger wrote:
in the 60 a left/center politician named kenedy uttered this famous line "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" today that would be a very right wing idea. what has caused this shift in ideals and is it a good or bad thing?
Ahem... Well, just watch out for horned helmets then. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:25:04 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Scooter???!?!?!?!?!?!?? HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please!! I would not want him to "beat me up".... HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!
Actually, Phantom was first to get it right!!!! The infamous guido will be my host for a whirlwind week in Detroit, culminating in a LIVE Judas Priest show!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My first trip to the Motor City! I cannot think of a better sidekick!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
Yup. Lets see the boss bother you when you are the grim reaper himself! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:37:39 PM)
Head banger wrote:
nice costume. I should get one of those for the office wall.
_strat_ wrote:
Wow! Thanks to each and everyone!
But, since there was some slander directed at me...
HB, this is what I shave with:
And I wear a big black cloak. But that is beside the point.
And Freeze, a dictionary would be awesome. Particulary one that explains double entendres!
Well, I did mean same-sex marriages, as opposed to marriages between people of different races/ethnicities. Not that either is wrong, and certainly isnt wrong if its "frowned upon". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:18:23 AM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Mixed marriages? Still frowned upon in most modern societies. a. Hammerstein
Good Morning (again) to all!! Well, an exciting bit of news! I recevied confirmation on my plane tickets...."What plane tickets", you ask???? Welllllllllll.....it just so happens I will be attending a certain CONCERT in July with a certain MEMBER of this Board in a little , obscure town some of you may know. It is called DETROIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that certain member is......?????? Any guesses???????????????????......................
I agree. Basicly, if we go into laws, I think that the only requirement should be that people who want to get married all consent, and are adults. No requierments to the gender.
Although, since they should be treated like the rest of us, we must keep in mind that they are not privileged. Infact its quite the opposite. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, May 15, 2009 6:25:32 PM)
spapad wrote:
I honestly believe that most people who profess to be gay were in fact born that way, and if they choose to share their lives in a union with someone, why shouldn't they get the same treatment under the laws that we all get. That said, since 50 percent of marriages fail, let them also enjoy the hardships of that aspect as well. They should be treated just like the rest of us! It's only fair.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Since the topic stalled a bit, how about something new? And I know that HB will come rushing to my side now...
Same sex marriage, yay or nay? And please, no miss USA, or miss California, or whatever that shit was about.
Now, now! Dont be so evil. He is a good man who knows that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully. He is regulary asking himself "is our children learning?", and when he does his state of the... Speech to the... Speech to the nation, whatever you want to call it, he only thinks about gyneocologists love of women.
Yup, thats me.... Ever learning, every thinking, ever intelligent, and above all, ever modest.
The Buffalo wings arent the worse, tho. Not long ago I thought that "bouncers" is a slang for fake boobs! Thankfully HB corrected me... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:44:58 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! Oh MAN!! I will say this for you; you learn FAST!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, someone should have told me that Buffalo is a city!
Oh, and the second line of your post is unbelievably perverse. Another double entendre?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Buffalo wings??!?!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOO funny!!!
Soccer??? Pff! If you can't use your hands, it aint a sport!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, someone should have told me that Buffalo is a city!
Oh, and the second line of your post is unbelievably perverse. Another double entendre? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:41:32 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Buffalo wings??!?!?!? HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TOO funny!!!
Soccer??? Pff! If you can't use your hands, it aint a sport!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, he understands allright... Its just that whenever he hears the word football, he thinks of big men, all dressed up in armour, falling accros each other, grabbing each other, getting a good feel of each other...
But yeah, go ManU!!! Spanish meat on the menu... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:39:01 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Ya, I know, but I want that Freeze understand it!! ManU!!
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!!! Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare, Phantom! Youre a German! Dont start with the Yankee crap!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Not Football, it's Soccer!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:33:46 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
The Eurovision song contest! That thing, when each country sends some crappy pop singer to a contest, where the crappiest singer wins? Come on, youve must have heard of it!
The football contest is called the Champions League, and the final match will be sometime soon. Cant wait for it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Soccer again?? When are you going to understand that is NOT a sport...??? HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I just watched the Eurovision (we failed to qualify for the finals... Again), and I think my ears need medical attention. Theres only so much bullshit I can handle.
Deep Freeze wrote:
GOOOOOOOOOOOD Afternoon, maniacs!!! Ugh! What a day! Trips to the store. Trips to UPS. A ten inning Dodger game!! HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm beat! Still have to prepare for my wonderful DOCTOR'S appointment tomorrow, AND make supper!!! DOUBLE ugh! Ah well....what are you going to do????
Then again, I thought that Buffalo wings are made of real buffaloes. So I guess I shouldnt be too hard on you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:36:31 PM)
The Eurovision song contest! That thing, when each country sends some crappy pop singer to a contest, where the crappiest singer wins? Come on, youve must have heard of it!
The football contest is called the Champions League, and the final match will be sometime soon. Cant wait for it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Soccer again?? When are you going to understand that is NOT a sport...??? HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I just watched the Eurovision (we failed to qualify for the finals... Again), and I think my ears need medical attention. Theres only so much bullshit I can handle.
Deep Freeze wrote:
GOOOOOOOOOOOD Afternoon, maniacs!!! Ugh! What a day! Trips to the store. Trips to UPS. A ten inning Dodger game!! HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm beat! Still have to prepare for my wonderful DOCTOR'S appointment tomorrow, AND make supper!!! DOUBLE ugh! Ah well....what are you going to do????
LOL!!! Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare, Phantom! Youre a German! Dont start with the Yankee crap! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:36:11 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Not Football, it's Soccer!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:33:46 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
The Eurovision song contest! That thing, when each country sends some crappy pop singer to a contest, where the crappiest singer wins? Come on, youve must have heard of it!
The football contest is called the Champions League, and the final match will be sometime soon. Cant wait for it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Soccer again?? When are you going to understand that is NOT a sport...??? HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I just watched the Eurovision (we failed to qualify for the finals... Again), and I think my ears need medical attention. Theres only so much bullshit I can handle.
Deep Freeze wrote:
GOOOOOOOOOOOD Afternoon, maniacs!!! Ugh! What a day! Trips to the store. Trips to UPS. A ten inning Dodger game!! HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm beat! Still have to prepare for my wonderful DOCTOR'S appointment tomorrow, AND make supper!!! DOUBLE ugh! Ah well....what are you going to do????
The Eurovision song contest! That thing, when each country sends some crappy pop singer to a contest, where the crappiest singer wins? Come on, youve must have heard of it!
The football contest is called the Champions League, and the final match will be sometime soon. Cant wait for it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:30:23 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Soccer again?? When are you going to understand that is NOT a sport...??? HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I just watched the Eurovision (we failed to qualify for the finals... Again), and I think my ears need medical attention. Theres only so much bullshit I can handle.
Deep Freeze wrote:
GOOOOOOOOOOOD Afternoon, maniacs!!! Ugh! What a day! Trips to the store. Trips to UPS. A ten inning Dodger game!! HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm beat! Still have to prepare for my wonderful DOCTOR'S appointment tomorrow, AND make supper!!! DOUBLE ugh! Ah well....what are you going to do????
...Steak? Why must you turture me so? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, May 14, 2009 4:22:45 PM)
Head banger wrote:
well, lets see. today I went to banff, delivered a lovely ford ranger. got to see snow, rain, sun and mountains. now working, then going home, take wife to work come home, cook a steak and watch hockey before going to pick her up. tomorow, I dont get to see the DR, I get to drive cars all day.
Deep Freeze wrote:
GOOOOOOOOOOOD Afternoon, maniacs!!! Ugh! What a day! Trips to the store. Trips to UPS. A ten inning Dodger game!! HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm beat! Still have to prepare for my wonderful DOCTOR'S appointment tomorrow, AND make supper!!! DOUBLE ugh! Ah well....what are you going to do????
Well, I just watched the Eurovision (we failed to qualify for the finals... Again), and I think my ears need medical attention. Theres only so much bullshit I can handle.
GOOOOOOOOOOOD Afternoon, maniacs!!! Ugh! What a day! Trips to the store. Trips to UPS. A ten inning Dodger game!! HAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm beat! Still have to prepare for my wonderful DOCTOR'S appointment tomorrow, AND make supper!!! DOUBLE ugh! Ah well....what are you going to do????
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woo HOO!!!!!! Congratulations, strat! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 5000 times you have said things with which I disagree!!! HAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yup!!! Here it is! After what? 2 years? No, it had to be more than that... In any case, here is my 5000th post...
Now, this calls for something special... Something that would really express myself.....
I started a joke....you tellin' me to get "Robin's?"
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
...And that's why Guido has to take care of his real glasses. Prescription glasses aren't cheap, you know.
I'm sure he can wear the Elton John ones at a Bee Gees concert without getting too many stares.
spapad wrote:
Could possibly come in handy at a concert outside if you wear glasses, but DAMN! Your Cred, would go WAY down! LMAO! Those are definately NOT METAL! LOL
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Hmmmm...judging from your pics in the Picture thread, I think you'll look great in some Elton John glasses!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Near sighted. Oddly enough, the Rx hasn't changed much in 7+ years. Wearing same smushed glasses right now.
Still have to make new ones. What'cha think? Elvis Costello or Elton John? I think I gotta update my look! LOL!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Are you near-sighted or far-sighted? If you're near-sighted, just bring that contact lens closer to you until you can see the shape. If you're far-sighted...then it's time to squint. That and learn to NOT stomp on your glasses.
guidogodoy wrote:
New friggin' contacts. Got 'em yesterday. Now I have to see (while BLIND) if it is inside out or not by a flying saucer shape?!? WTF!!! I wore one of the damn things inside out for HOURS today. Makes driving a lot of fun.....BASTARD DEVIL PIECES OF JELLO!!!!!
Oh, now thats just cruel... The poor girl had to wait in the closet while you were having dinner? Lol... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, May 14, 2009 7:42:33 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I suppose this is as good a thread as any to tell the story. Not all THAT much to tell, actually. I had a girlfriend (Barbie..YES! Her real name) back when I was about 16 or 17. One night, I snuck her into my room. I planned to go in with her after dinner. My younger brother happened into my room and found her (with no clothes) in my closet. HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRUE story!! He was all bug-eyed and scared! Came to me in a panic. I got him to keep quiet and I went to bed. She left after my parents went to work in the morning.
_strat_ wrote:
A girl in the closet?!?! Did you have them on stock, or something?
Sorry, but that just made me laugh out loud...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hmm. Now THIS is an interesting question! You know, I have a problem with it all together but I really think that has to do with upbringing. I mean, there is just NO way I would allow my son or daughter to have a girlfriend or boyfriend stay the night. Period. In fact, even at eighteen there is a lack of mental development and yet we consider them "adults". HA!!!!!!!!!! The fact is, children are not able to make that kind of decision (sexual activity) and understand its ramifications, so they should not be put into that kind of situation in the first place.
HB makes the point that they will find a way. This is quite true, however, I do not want to "appear" to be against casual sex. I AM against it. At least as far as children are concerned. I do not think allowing children to wear make up is wise. Or watch questionable movies. Or speak using foul language. Or drink alcohol (under adult supervision). The point is, as parents, we must establish boundaries and make it clear as to why they are not to be broached. It is not a "control" issue. It is a decency issue. It is how parents teach values. You remember those, don't you? Values? Some of us do.
HB is right. They are going to "do it". We did. My parents did. Their parents did. The point is, it is our responsibility to guide them towards understanding what it means to have self-respect. How to conduct oneself in society. My parents would NEVER have allowed me to bring a girlfriend over for the night. Never. Of course, I did hide one in my bedroom closet once.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! True story but not for this post!!! HAHAHAHAA!!!
It is a matter of leading them in the right directions and showing them what is expected of decent society. Children actually DO look to parents for that kind of thing...believe it or not! It is important that we establish the tent poles of decency and build that for them.
Well, as far as music is concerned, I think that the problem is really that there are so many genres around... Its like all that was made in the previous decades came crashing back on scene in this one. The 60s "retro look" has become popular, or maybe thats just me describing Amy Winehouses two-meter haircut.
Oh, and I forgot one comeback before. Bruce Springsteen, with the first good album since Born in the USA. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:14:33 AM)
Head banger wrote:
musicaly it will probably take some time to put in perspective. I agree with the facebook and myspace thing, economicaly we have seen huge changes, changes in rights and freedom, 9-11....
Oh, yeah, forgot about the technology. Social networking, and internet becoming more widespread than ever... And with that mp3s, iPods, and the music industry going online...
And the double B (Bush/Britney) will be something to remember too. Hell, its been what, 4 months? And I already miss Bush. The guy is just a living cartoon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, May 13, 2009 12:26:34 AM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Dang...we're about to get into the 2010s already? Wow.
I'll add my two cents to this topic:
As far as music goes, I'll remember this decade mostly for the fact that this was the time when I listened to Judas Priest (HELL YEAH!!!) and other bands over the Alternative Rock and Indie crap that was flying around for the best part of the decade. I'll also remember it as the decade of *shudders* reggaeton. It you don't know what it is, then don't even search for it. It's that bad (I know...an exaggeration, but still!). I agree with the resurrection of the old legends, though. Good to have Judas Priest and many others of their time still kranking out great music.
I'll also remember this decade for the following phenomena: Myspace and Facebook. Those darn sites have become so popular it's hard to believe. I should know...I have an account on both sites!!!! Why? I don't know...
Overall, I think we'll remember this decade mainly for the following: Myspace and Facebook, bling-bling crap, Hurricane Katrina, the emo fashion statement, Harry Potter, news coverage on Britney Spears for such a long amount of time (ARGH!!!), movie remakes and sequels (wasn't there a year where there were so many sequels, and most were more bad than good?), the H1N1 flu, power metal, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Michael Jackson's trial, that Susan Boyle lady from Britain's Got Talent...and...that's it. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:24:00 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. I just had a thought. In a couple of months, the 2000s will be over. What will we remember it for? All other decades are remembered for something. 50s for early rock`n`roll, 60 for hippies and beatlemania, 70s for disco and hard rock, 80s for NWOBHM and pop, 90s for grunge...
IDK, I couldnt say that anything stood out in particular in this decade... At least as far as music is concerened its been a real drag. Possibly the best thing is that its been a time of resurecting old legends. Judas Priest with AOR and Nostradamus, Rolling Stones with A bigger bang, McCartney seems to be somewhat alive too.
The new things would be Dragonforce with Inhuman Rampage, and in the non-metal department, Green Day with American Idiot, and Franz Ferdinand... But aside from that, nothing that I would care for much.
Movies were good, tho, imo. Lord of the Rings, Troy, Kingdom of Heaven, Pirates of the Caribbean...
The above is only what I liked, anyway... Anyone else? What will we remember the decade for?
I agree. Kirk would be the first to pick up soap in the cube. Not Picard, tho.
Anyway, we Picard loyalists have to stick together. There are Kirk minions everywhere. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Painkiller87 from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:17:03 PM)
Painkiller87 wrote:
I like both Picard and Kirk but I like Picard a lot more because he has a more true captain personality. Plus he got assimilated by the borg and then brought back to normal and lived to fight another day. The Borg are a force to never mess with.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if I can allow myself a moments seriousnes here... IDK, but Shatner was never really to my liking. IDK why, maybe its because the first episodes I watched were those with Picard, and he will forever be the true Enterprise captain as far as Im concerned.
ronhartsell wrote:
Nothing beats the original...just ask 'Ripper'...
_strat_ wrote:
YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWNNNNNNNNN.............. Yup, Im a punk kid, I dont have an idea on who the blonde is, and Kirk cant beat Picard... Ever.
Picard is hip!
guidogodoy wrote:
In your DREAMS, buddy!
As the caption says...BEST DEATH EVER! Long live Captain Kirk (and, certainly, anyone but a punk kid could name the blonde). Gotta love the one-piece! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:27:48 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao!!! That was great!! But this is better:
Picard owns Kirk. There, I said it. Feel free to launch a shitstorm my way. The way Kirk is dressed makes me glad that I wasnt around in the 60s.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!!! Sadly, I DO remember the episode.
Painkiller87 wrote:
Don't forget the outcome "worse than dead" as once uttered by Doctor McCoy in one of the original Star Trek episodes, I don't remember which one.
_strat_ wrote:
Quite dead? Is that somewhere between totaly dead and medium done?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Charles Manson is real and he will kill again for me. Lector is fictitious, but Jeffrey Dahmer (Hannibal Lectorwannabe) is quite dead.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... ¡MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything. How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot. I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh. Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Well, yeah. But in Picards era, really tight costumes were in. Well, true, for women and men, but I have selective vision, so thats not a problem. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:16:23 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
I understand...he's too serious for my taste and too many characters with too many problems...the original was lighter and funnier...and mini skirts were in!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if I can allow myself a moments seriousnes here... IDK, but Shatner was never really to my liking. IDK why, maybe its because the first episodes I watched were those with Picard, and he will forever be the true Enterprise captain as far as Im concerned.
ronhartsell wrote:
Nothing beats the original...just ask 'Ripper'...
_strat_ wrote:
YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWNNNNNNNNN.............. Yup, Im a punk kid, I dont have an idea on who the blonde is, and Kirk cant beat Picard... Ever.
Picard is hip!
guidogodoy wrote:
In your DREAMS, buddy!
As the caption says...BEST DEATH EVER! Long live Captain Kirk (and, certainly, anyone but a punk kid could name the blonde). Gotta love the one-piece! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:27:48 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao!!! That was great!! But this is better:
Picard owns Kirk. There, I said it. Feel free to launch a shitstorm my way. The way Kirk is dressed makes me glad that I wasnt around in the 60s.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!!! Sadly, I DO remember the episode.
Painkiller87 wrote:
Don't forget the outcome "worse than dead" as once uttered by Doctor McCoy in one of the original Star Trek episodes, I don't remember which one.
_strat_ wrote:
Quite dead? Is that somewhere between totaly dead and medium done?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Charles Manson is real and he will kill again for me. Lector is fictitious, but Jeffrey Dahmer (Hannibal Lectorwannabe) is quite dead.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... ¡MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything. How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot. I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh. Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Remember that comment. It will be laughable to both your children and grandchildren!
Now get THIS song stuck in your head! HAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if I can allow myself a moments seriousnes here... IDK, but Shatner was never really to my liking. IDK why, maybe its because the first episodes I watched were those with Picard, and he will forever be the true Enterprise captain as far as Im concerned.
ronhartsell wrote:
Nothing beats the original...just ask 'Ripper'...
_strat_ wrote:
YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWNNNNNNNNN.............. Yup, Im a punk kid, I dont have an idea on who the blonde is, and Kirk cant beat Picard... Ever.
Picard is hip!
guidogodoy wrote:
In your DREAMS, buddy!
As the caption says...BEST DEATH EVER! Long live Captain Kirk (and, certainly, anyone but a punk kid could name the blonde). Gotta love the one-piece! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:27:48 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao!!! That was great!! But this is better:
Picard owns Kirk. There, I said it. Feel free to launch a shitstorm my way. The way Kirk is dressed makes me glad that I wasnt around in the 60s.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!!! Sadly, I DO remember the episode.
Painkiller87 wrote:
Don't forget the outcome "worse than dead" as once uttered by Doctor McCoy in one of the original Star Trek episodes, I don't remember which one.
_strat_ wrote:
Quite dead? Is that somewhere between totaly dead and medium done?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Charles Manson is real and he will kill again for me. Lector is fictitious, but Jeffrey Dahmer (Hannibal Lectorwannabe) is quite dead.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... ¡MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything. How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot. I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh. Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Well, if I can allow myself a moments seriousnes here... IDK, but Shatner was never really to my liking. IDK why, maybe its because the first episodes I watched were those with Picard, and he will forever be the true Enterprise captain as far as Im concerned. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 5:08:52 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Nothing beats the original...just ask 'Ripper'...
_strat_ wrote:
YAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWNNNNNNNNN.............. Yup, Im a punk kid, I dont have an idea on who the blonde is, and Kirk cant beat Picard... Ever.
Picard is hip!
guidogodoy wrote:
In your DREAMS, buddy!
As the caption says...BEST DEATH EVER! Long live Captain Kirk (and, certainly, anyone but a punk kid could name the blonde). Gotta love the one-piece! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:27:48 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao!!! That was great!! But this is better:
Picard owns Kirk. There, I said it. Feel free to launch a shitstorm my way. The way Kirk is dressed makes me glad that I wasnt around in the 60s.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!!! Sadly, I DO remember the episode.
Painkiller87 wrote:
Don't forget the outcome "worse than dead" as once uttered by Doctor McCoy in one of the original Star Trek episodes, I don't remember which one.
_strat_ wrote:
Quite dead? Is that somewhere between totaly dead and medium done?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Charles Manson is real and he will kill again for me. Lector is fictitious, but Jeffrey Dahmer (Hannibal Lectorwannabe) is quite dead.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... ¡MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything. How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot. I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh. Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Good man! We gotta keep these young upstarts in check!
ronhartsell wrote:
...mmm...Barbra Eden, deliscious...thanks Guido!! (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:55:04 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
In your DREAMS, buddy!
As the caption says...BEST DEATH EVER! Long live Captain Kirk (and, certainly, anyone but a punk kid could name the blonde). Gotta love the one-piece! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:27:48 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao!!! That was great!! But this is better:
Picard owns Kirk. There, I said it. Feel free to launch a shitstorm my way. The way Kirk is dressed makes me glad that I wasnt around in the 60s.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!!! Sadly, I DO remember the episode.
Painkiller87 wrote:
Don't forget the outcome "worse than dead" as once uttered by Doctor McCoy in one of the original Star Trek episodes, I don't remember which one.
_strat_ wrote:
Quite dead? Is that somewhere between totaly dead and medium done?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Charles Manson is real and he will kill again for me. Lector is fictitious, but Jeffrey Dahmer (Hannibal Lectorwannabe) is quite dead.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... ¡MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything. How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot. I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh. Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
As the caption says...BEST DEATH EVER! Long live Captain Kirk (and, certainly, anyone but a punk kid could name the blonde). Gotta love the one-piece! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:27:48 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao!!! That was great!! But this is better:
Picard owns Kirk. There, I said it. Feel free to launch a shitstorm my way. The way Kirk is dressed makes me glad that I wasnt around in the 60s.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!!! Sadly, I DO remember the episode.
Painkiller87 wrote:
Don't forget the outcome "worse than dead" as once uttered by Doctor McCoy in one of the original Star Trek episodes, I don't remember which one.
_strat_ wrote:
Quite dead? Is that somewhere between totaly dead and medium done?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Charles Manson is real and he will kill again for me. Lector is fictitious, but Jeffrey Dahmer (Hannibal Lectorwannabe) is quite dead.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... ¡MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything. How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot. I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh. Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Well, Picard episodes were written before my time, and I watched pretty much everything from Star Trek (excpet that Janeway shit), so I guess it isnt generational...
What I think is really funny about Kirk, tho, is that he is all macho, and strong, and brave, and all ladies probably wanted him... But looking at him now, all dressed up in all those, shiny, tight clothes... Well, I think you know where Im going with this. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 4:38:21 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Oh strat, we are from different generations...I find Kirk to be an interstellar 007 if you will...Picard is nothing more than...well...just nothing...lol
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao!!! That was great!! But this is better:
Picard owns Kirk. There, I said it. Feel free to launch a shitstorm my way. The way Kirk is dressed makes me glad that I wasnt around in the 60s.
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!!! Sadly, I DO remember the episode.
Painkiller87 wrote:
Don't forget the outcome "worse than dead" as once uttered by Doctor McCoy in one of the original Star Trek episodes, I don't remember which one.
_strat_ wrote:
Quite dead? Is that somewhere between totaly dead and medium done?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Charles Manson is real and he will kill again for me. Lector is fictitious, but Jeffrey Dahmer (Hannibal Lectorwannabe) is quite dead.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
A girl in the closet?!?! Did you have them on stock, or something?
Sorry, but that just made me laugh out loud... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, May 12, 2009 8:19:07 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hmm. Now THIS is an interesting question! You know, I have a problem with it all together but I really think that has to do with upbringing. I mean, there is just NO way I would allow my son or daughter to have a girlfriend or boyfriend stay the night. Period. In fact, even at eighteen there is a lack of mental development and yet we consider them "adults". HA!!!!!!!!!! The fact is, children are not able to make that kind of decision (sexual activity) and understand its ramifications, so they should not be put into that kind of situation in the first place.
HB makes the point that they will find a way. This is quite true, however, I do not want to "appear" to be against casual sex. I AM against it. At least as far as children are concerned. I do not think allowing children to wear make up is wise. Or watch questionable movies. Or speak using foul language. Or drink alcohol (under adult supervision). The point is, as parents, we must establish boundaries and make it clear as to why they are not to be broached. It is not a "control" issue. It is a decency issue. It is how parents teach values. You remember those, don't you? Values? Some of us do.
HB is right. They are going to "do it". We did. My parents did. Their parents did. The point is, it is our responsibility to guide them towards understanding what it means to have self-respect. How to conduct oneself in society. My parents would NEVER have allowed me to bring a girlfriend over for the night. Never. Of course, I did hide one in my bedroom closet once.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! True story but not for this post!!! HAHAHAHAA!!!
It is a matter of leading them in the right directions and showing them what is expected of decent society. Children actually DO look to parents for that kind of thing...believe it or not! It is important that we establish the tent poles of decency and build that for them.
Yup. I just had a thought. In a couple of months, the 2000s will be over. What will we remember it for? All other decades are remembered for something. 50s for early rock`n`roll, 60 for hippies and beatlemania, 70s for disco and hard rock, 80s for NWOBHM and pop, 90s for grunge...
IDK, I couldnt say that anything stood out in particular in this decade... At least as far as music is concerened its been a real drag. Possibly the best thing is that its been a time of resurecting old legends. Judas Priest with AOR and Nostradamus, Rolling Stones with A bigger bang, McCartney seems to be somewhat alive too.
The new things would be Dragonforce with Inhuman Rampage, and in the non-metal department, Green Day with American Idiot, and Franz Ferdinand... But aside from that, nothing that I would care for much.
Movies were good, tho, imo. Lord of the Rings, Troy, Kingdom of Heaven, Pirates of the Caribbean...
The above is only what I liked, anyway... Anyone else? What will we remember the decade for?
Theres no site, at least not that I know of. I just went to google/images and searched "lolbush".
In any case, they are hillarious. Im just pissed because I couldnt find the best (dont even remember where I saw it, but it didnt show up on google), where Georgie is making an ass of himself, and his daughter is saying "I can has adoption?"
Yup, in a couple of years, stand up comedians will only need one line to make the audience laugh: "Ehm... The George Bush administration!"
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Gawd leave it up to strat to find us a LOL bush site..... I love it strat!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, dont act stupid, you all knew it was coming. Forget lolcats, here is lolBush.
Well, since your offering, Id like a ham, thank you very much. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, May 11, 2009 8:40:45 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I heard EVERY word of THAT!!!!! Old jokes!! God jokes! Deaf jokes. That DOES it!!! Who wants some??? HUH???? Come and get it!!! You want a piece of me???? HUH?? HUH????
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quite dead? Is that somewhere between totaly dead and medium done? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, May 11, 2009 7:25:25 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Charles Manson is real and he will kill again for me. Lector is fictitious, but Jeffrey Dahmer (Hannibal Lectorwannabe) is quite dead.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this.
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
15th level!!!! Manson (Charles!) is NOT alive!!! I took him ages ago! Youre only seeing a copy/paste gif. animation of him! And Lector is real! You still doubt me?
Damit... I guess thats what happens when we are left unsupervised... The conversation started around movie remakes, now this. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, May 11, 2009 4:21:05 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Marilyn or Charles? Either way, both are real (and still alive). Hannibal Lector was fictitious.
I am truly befuddled by the theories suggested here tonight. Probably because I don't get Fox.....
_strat_ wrote:
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion.
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
A smartass, eh? Its the 10th level for you, then! And before you start whining, there is a tenth level, and thats where youre going! Say hello to Manson and Lector for me...
There is no newsleter, just a TV station. You probably heard of it before, its called Fox. And Murdoch is nothing but my minion. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, May 11, 2009 4:02:13 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Hmmmm....so I would reside in the sixth circle, eh? With the heretics in the City of Dis for not believing in one who claims Genesis to be erroneous.
'Tis a strange religion you advocate. I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter for further information.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before!
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Hey, hey, hey!!! Do not doubt me, or its picking up the soap with the rest of the inmates on the sixth level! All I say is truth, only truth and nothing but truth!
And who said that the genesis is the beginning of everything? You and Freeze date from waaaay before! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, May 11, 2009 3:39:33 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Yet you are still younger than me, heard Napoleon speak English and have a Dante-like version of inner circles of Hell.
I am just trying to figure out where you went wrong in your education. Religious Studies, History or Math! LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Ehm... No. Adam and Eve were cast out, and Freeze got grounded for telling. I should know, I was there too. I got cast to a lake of fire, just for offering them a bite from some tree!
Its all there, in the book of Strat. The bestseller in the lower levels of hell.
Uhhhh....Adam, Eve, Freeze and his DAD were all around at the same time?! Freeze (or his dad) didn't bite the apple? THEY must still in a state of grace then?
That all must be in the Book of Mormon or something. First Book of Nephi, Book of Jarom, Book of Strat...
_strat_ wrote:
Im sure. Freeze was the one who came running to his dad, crying "father! Adam and Eve are eating apples and they wont let me have any!!!"
guidogodoy wrote:
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
You sure you aren't confusing me with that Freeze fellow?
_strat_ wrote:
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!"
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Of course you dont! You were already 2000 years deaf then! When Jesus said "love thy enemy" you said "Shpeak up, lad, I cant hear ya!" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, May 10, 2009 5:37:07 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Odd. I don't remember Napoleon speaking English..... �MENTIROSO! J'ACUSSE!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
guidogodoy wrote:
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Theres no site, at least not that I know of. I just went to google/images and searched "lolbush".
In any case, they are hillarious. Im just pissed because I couldnt find the best (dont even remember where I saw it, but it didnt show up on google), where Georgie is making an ass of himself, and his daughter is saying "I can has adoption?"
Yup, in a couple of years, stand up comedians will only need one line to make the audience laugh: "Ehm... The George Bush administration!" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Sunday, May 10, 2009 6:03:04 PM)
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Gawd leave it up to strat to find us a LOL bush site..... I love it strat!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, dont act stupid, you all knew it was coming. Forget lolcats, here is lolBush.
Kids? I`ll have you know, when Napoleon said "Charge" I said "Im getting too old for this shit!" Which still makes me a couple of millenia younger than you.
As for the love of animals, I love them more than you. Well, the taste of them, anyway.
Kids...sheesh. Gotta teach them everything.
How do you flush a pelican? You simply step on his foot.
I also take offense at you calling my love for animals into question. They are gainfully employed. "Eh' it's a livin'!"
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... Mental images!!! Lmao...
And all this from someone I thought of as an animal lover?
Oh, and by the way... Ho do you flush a pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
What type of dumb-ass question is THAT?!? How would I know what a pelican toilet feels. They don't speak...duh.
Plus, they'd have their mouths full if they could. HAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
For whom? You or the pelican?
guidogodoy wrote:
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
No, but that pelican toilet sure takes getting used to...HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean.
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Lol... An old dude is calling an old dude an old dude.
Say Guido, was it a big shock? Going from leg powered to engine powered cars, I mean. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:37:51 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I bet you were mad with Jurassic Park, too. Didn't look anything CLOSE to the dinosaurs you remember roaming about the cave!
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Well, in defense of remakes, if they made them the same as the original, it wouldnt really have a point.
But... I usualy dont like them. The remake of the Planet of the Apes will imo stand as an eternal reminder that remaking classic movies is NOT cool. The original with Charlton Heston was awesome - the remake sucks. Because for all the bad things I could say about Heston, he was still a great actor. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, May 10, 2009 11:10:44 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
So here's what is PISSING me off!!!....: WHY is it that EVERYTIME one of these movie guys decides to do a "remake" of a classic TV show (in this case Star Trek), they have to "modernize" it and make it "hip"???????? WHAT??!?!??!?!?!? Why is it that they cannot just make a remake and have it be the same as what made the original so good in the first place?????????? Arrrrggghhh!!!
Now, please do not get me wrong. I am NOT a "Trekkie". Never been to a convention. Don't have the ears. I love the original show because I was a kid when it came out and I actually watched it!! (Same with the original Batman series) ANYWAY, I just read an article that says Captain Kirk is more "hip" in this movie. Apparently, making him a "badboy" is somehow "cool"...? WHATEVER!!!!
The whole cool thing about the original Kirk was his steadfast devotion to duty!! He would NEVER "sneak" aboard a starship!! He served on the Valiant or Reliant or something, for like 12 years before getting command of the Enterprise!! He was not a "loose cannon". He did not ride a friggin motorcycle and look for fights!! He was a Starfleet cadet and one of the FINEST ever. VERY reserved and VERY reliable. BY the book! I just cannot accept that it is "cool" to be a rule breaking troublemaker. Ooops, I forgot..that IS cool these days!! My bad!!
I had planned to go see the movie. I have reconsidered and , at this point, I am no longer interested.
Hi! Youve been missed. Yeah, I know, there has been a lot of bullshit lately... Whats worse, between regulars... But I guess we will get over it sooner or later.
Hi all...I'm back, but just briefly. I'm going to make this short. I am taking time off from the board...too much nonsense going on for me. Certain people such as Phantom, Roger Blade, and a few other "characters" have not made it a welcome place to be. Phantom, just so you understand why I lump you in with the undesirables group...it is because you put your 2 cents in where it's not needed/wanted, and consistently make an ass out of yourself. Frankly, I am more than a bit put off by your overzealous nonsense too....don't you have a job? Hell, I lost my job a month ago and I have more things to do with my life!
Okay...rant over. I'm out. If you want, email me, find me on Facebook, pm me here. Just not going to post anytime in the near future.
To those who I know and respect (you know who you are). I miss you all.
Take care. Happy Mother's Day to all of the Mom's on the board.
You sure comment a lot about the things you dont care about. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Sunday, May 10, 2009 2:59:17 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!
I give a fuck of your meaning about me!!
But it's a fricken awesome posting!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hi all...I'm back, but just briefly. I'm going to make this short. I am taking time off from the board...too much nonsense going on for me. Certain people such as Phantom, Roger Blade, and a few other "characters" have not made it a welcome place to be. Phantom, just so you understand why I lump you in with the undesirables group...it is because you put your 2 cents in where it's not needed/wanted, and consistently make an ass out of yourself. Frankly, I am more than a bit put off by your overzealous nonsense too....don't you have a job? Hell, I lost my job a month ago and I have more things to do with my life!
Okay...rant over. I'm out. If you want, email me, find me on Facebook, pm me here. Just not going to post anytime in the near future.
To those who I know and respect (you know who you are). I miss you all.
Take care. Happy Mother's Day to all of the Mom's on the board.
Well, you would get Pain and (if the political gods are smiling down on us) Robo. Thats three against two, or even four against two, if Tim joins in. Freeze has obviously changed his political stance to throwinghandsintheairist, so I guess he wont be taking sides.
If you cant go postal, then I guess it wouldnt be fair that I would either... But I miss that, I really do.
if you get red, who do I get? I dont have the energy to go postal on you, at least your honest and believe in something, even if its (IMO) missguided.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Youre cool, dont get me wrong, just... Not aggresive enough! Come on... Preach, go postal on me, say Im a freedom hatin`, america loathin` muslim commie!
And bring back Red, so I will have at least one ally!
Head banger wrote:
yeah, and that isnt doing any good is it?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I guess it is. Its just me and HB going back and forth through the same old stuff... We need PK1990 back. And Redman. Hell, even Robocaster!
And you, damit. Where are you hiding?
TIMBONI wrote:
I miss some of that. I rather like people with strong opinions as long as they can present them in an intelligent manner. The political thread has all but died and it used to be such an interesting read. It's all got a little too "feel good" for me. It's ok to disagree, even to argue, as long as it's kept in perspective. It's all just a bit boring now.
Head banger wrote:
yeah, people come on prety strong about that. I jumped to defend tim and the other 4. but yeah, not the best time
spapad wrote:
I could see how only talking about the band could get pretty heated, especially that "era" so many of us were not pleased. So many of you yearned to see the orginal line up again. By the thoughts going through my head just now, I can see how that would become heated.
Head banger wrote:
I might have overstated it, but there was a fair bit of agression. there were good people also, and good discussions. but, the structure of the board led to only priest discussions. there was a lot of ripper centered discussion, which got heated quickly
spapad wrote:
In that case, I'm glad it changed, I would hate to be told "Fuk Off" everytime I offered and opinion, that would suck! I still get told things like that sometimes (just not in those words always) but who really cares, those incidents are very seldom. I enjoy the friends I have made here and that is what makes this place so enjoyable, and debate more cordial.
Head banger wrote:
it has changed, people are more into building a relationship than pushing their point. the average reply to a contrary opinion used to be a good hearty "fuck off".
I think thats where we get so many more posts now, rather than discussing one point about priest, we discuss all kinds of things
spapad wrote:
Holy shit! I just did some backreading and I didn't realize what a land of the lawless this used to be. I think we are somewhat better behaved now for the most part. Probably most because DF has been a voice of reason for so long it finally caught on some. True there are some people, including myself at times who don't know when to STFU but, seems some things have gotten better over the years. There are alot of missing members I wish would come back, while I never had the pleasure of meeting Breezy there are several that used to be here, I do miss. Hope I don't step on your toes with this post as it was never my intention to do so.
mystique wrote:
Talking of missing members....where's that naughty little girl called Breezy????
Lol... Youre cool, dont get me wrong, just... Not aggresive enough! Come on... Preach, go postal on me, say Im a freedom hatin`, america loathin` muslim commie!
And bring back Red, so I will have at least one ally! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, May 08, 2009 5:34:41 PM)
Head banger wrote:
yeah, and that isnt doing any good is it?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I guess it is. Its just me and HB going back and forth through the same old stuff... We need PK1990 back. And Redman. Hell, even Robocaster!
And you, damit. Where are you hiding?
TIMBONI wrote:
I miss some of that. I rather like people with strong opinions as long as they can present them in an intelligent manner. The political thread has all but died and it used to be such an interesting read. It's all got a little too "feel good" for me. It's ok to disagree, even to argue, as long as it's kept in perspective. It's all just a bit boring now.
Head banger wrote:
yeah, people come on prety strong about that. I jumped to defend tim and the other 4. but yeah, not the best time
spapad wrote:
I could see how only talking about the band could get pretty heated, especially that "era" so many of us were not pleased. So many of you yearned to see the orginal line up again. By the thoughts going through my head just now, I can see how that would become heated.
Head banger wrote:
I might have overstated it, but there was a fair bit of agression. there were good people also, and good discussions. but, the structure of the board led to only priest discussions. there was a lot of ripper centered discussion, which got heated quickly
spapad wrote:
In that case, I'm glad it changed, I would hate to be told "Fuk Off" everytime I offered and opinion, that would suck! I still get told things like that sometimes (just not in those words always) but who really cares, those incidents are very seldom. I enjoy the friends I have made here and that is what makes this place so enjoyable, and debate more cordial.
Head banger wrote:
it has changed, people are more into building a relationship than pushing their point. the average reply to a contrary opinion used to be a good hearty "fuck off".
I think thats where we get so many more posts now, rather than discussing one point about priest, we discuss all kinds of things
spapad wrote:
Holy shit! I just did some backreading and I didn't realize what a land of the lawless this used to be. I think we are somewhat better behaved now for the most part. Probably most because DF has been a voice of reason for so long it finally caught on some. True there are some people, including myself at times who don't know when to STFU but, seems some things have gotten better over the years. There are alot of missing members I wish would come back, while I never had the pleasure of meeting Breezy there are several that used to be here, I do miss. Hope I don't step on your toes with this post as it was never my intention to do so.
mystique wrote:
Talking of missing members....where's that naughty little girl called Breezy????
Lol... Yup. The watersides are a pride and joy of the city. Unfortunately, the water is exactly the opposite. There is a joke, that in Ljubljana, if you want to commit a suicide, you dont need to bother with tying a rock to your neck and jumping into the river... You only need to drink a glass of it.
Your town is great. I love those tall, thin houses. And the roofs, the ones that look kinda like stairs... Dunno how they are called, but they sure are nice. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Ellieke from Friday, May 08, 2009 6:30:04 AM)
Ellieke wrote:
I like your place to _strat_ ! Love the watersides :)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, let me join in:
Tho personaly, by pictures, I prefer Ellies place. Really nice architecture there.
I understad that perfectly! Even looking at the picture is weird.
Oh... Lol... Sorry. Its just now that I noticed that the hand is really hairy... Couldnt have been yours then.... Well, screw it, it isnt the first stupid question I asked here. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, May 08, 2009 5:18:53 AM)
devils_child wrote:
OH LORD NO!!!! I wouldn't get that close to a spider!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, shit.... I love you, Europe, the land of small spiders...
Just dont tell me that is you holding it!
devils_child wrote:
This little fella lives in the Australian bush..... don't go chopping down trees they live inside.....
I hear you... Spiders freak me out too. The smaller ones, I can abide, but the bigger they get... The more detail you can see on them... And Im reaching for a rolled up magazine, and fuck animal rights.
The only thing that freaks me out more are those underwater-sea-snails. I used to dive a lot (not with a scuba, just a snorkel and some flippers). Got a lovely clam once, brought it up only to find something slimy coming out of it. Just threw it back in, and havent picked up any clam that I was sure is long deserted since. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, May 08, 2009 4:59:51 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Yes, beautiful winter!... I love it.... but getting up in the morning is hard. Also need something to keep me warm at night... *reaches for bottle o whiskey*.... hehe Should get a cat!
Spiders are bad enough, but im terrified of roaches... Oh I run to the hills when i see one, then get all jumpy and irritated... LOL
Ellieke wrote:
That's right , winter is comming on your side of the world, isn't it ?
devils_child wrote:
I'm so glad it's friday... Had a pretty busy week. I'll be glad I don't have to get up early tomorrow...especially now the mornings are cooler. I just want to stay snuggled up in bed.
Ellieke wrote:
All fine here , trying to find the will and energy to get dressed LOL
I woke up this mornig very convinced that it was Saterday , so I'm a bit in the weekend mood ;)
devils_child wrote:
I'm good.... Bored as though. Yeah I don't like to see stuff like that happening between the regular members... One idiot is enough. How are you Necro? Ellieke?
Ellieke wrote:
good morning devils_childs,
How are you today ?
devils_child wrote:
Righteo........... *wanders over to another thread* what the hell happened in here yesterday... it makes no sense? Edited at: Friday, May 08, 2009 4:39:02 AM
Ok... So, we have a final between Barca and ManU. Good, because I didnt want Chelsea to go there, tho now I dont really know which club to support!
It was a good game, tho. Barca scoring the equaliser what? 3,4 mins before the final whistle? Great stuff. I guess theres something that could be said for the referee, but I guess I cant complain, if he was on Barcas side.
Lol... Well, I dont know much about Paris-Dakkar... The only motosport that I watch is Furmula 1.
Sounds cool tho, that someone is a good racing driver AND a musician. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Ellieke from Wednesday, May 06, 2009 2:13:37 AM)
Ellieke wrote:
Accualy we aren't so into sports.
I only watch Paris-Dakkar and only if Koen Wauters is driving for Belgium.
Last year he didn't compeed because he was having a bussy time with his gigs. 16 time in a row 25000 tickets each year, all sold out and still there are people on a waiting list to get tickets.
I miss some of that. I rather like people with strong opinions as long as they can present them in an intelligent manner. The political thread has all but died and it used to be such an interesting read. It's all got a little too "feel good" for me. It's ok to disagree, even to argue, as long as it's kept in perspective. It's all just a bit boring now.
Head banger wrote:
yeah, people come on prety strong about that. I jumped to defend tim and the other 4. but yeah, not the best time
spapad wrote:
I could see how only talking about the band could get pretty heated, especially that "era" so many of us were not pleased. So many of you yearned to see the orginal line up again. By the thoughts going through my head just now, I can see how that would become heated.
Head banger wrote:
I might have overstated it, but there was a fair bit of agression. there were good people also, and good discussions. but, the structure of the board led to only priest discussions. there was a lot of ripper centered discussion, which got heated quickly
spapad wrote:
In that case, I'm glad it changed, I would hate to be told "Fuk Off" everytime I offered and opinion, that would suck! I still get told things like that sometimes (just not in those words always) but who really cares, those incidents are very seldom. I enjoy the friends I have made here and that is what makes this place so enjoyable, and debate more cordial.
Head banger wrote:
it has changed, people are more into building a relationship than pushing their point. the average reply to a contrary opinion used to be a good hearty "fuck off".
I think thats where we get so many more posts now, rather than discussing one point about priest, we discuss all kinds of things
spapad wrote:
Holy shit! I just did some backreading and I didn't realize what a land of the lawless this used to be. I think we are somewhat better behaved now for the most part. Probably most because DF has been a voice of reason for so long it finally caught on some. True there are some people, including myself at times who don't know when to STFU but, seems some things have gotten better over the years. There are alot of missing members I wish would come back, while I never had the pleasure of meeting Breezy there are several that used to be here, I do miss. Hope I don't step on your toes with this post as it was never my intention to do so.
mystique wrote:
Talking of missing members....where's that naughty little girl called Breezy????
Hey Necroticist...I was just joking when I posted a "Bon Voyage" to you man,hope you did'nt take that the wrong way dude.
If its any concern of yours,....I hope you do not leave here,you are an important figure and would be missed by all.
So heres hoping that you will have a change of heart....YOU ROCK NECROTICIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Hold ya horses - depends what happens tonight - lil discussion going on.....
You do realise I was taking the piss? Read the post below mine, and you might just get it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Thursday, May 07, 2009 6:51:56 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
TY strat - is obvious am not wanted...so after ur advice will leave
Aha... So, then... Is arguing the same as disagreeing with everything the other person says? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:43:32 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry. Is this the five minute argument or the full half hour?...........
Great! Heres hoping Barca eliminates Chelsea too. Tho, in that case, I dont think I could pick a favourite in the finals... In any case, I dont think Chelsea will win.
Why in the world would you want to drink that? Come on, have a Coke! One thing you Yanks did that is actualy good, and you would have prune juice? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:32:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You're welcome...but I disagree with it... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey!! Where's the waiter?? What's a guy got to do to get a prune juice around this place?!??!?!?!??
I agree with that disagreement........HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Do they say that? I disagree, they dont say that! Now, what is all that with Lmao?!?! I disagree with you using it! I used it first today! And damn straight? I disagree, because I am straight, and if you damn straight, you arent! And I disagree with you disagreeing me! That is totaly unacceptable, and if you say it is, than I disagree, which means that you disagree, and I disagree with you disagreeing with me!
Phew... How was that eh? Lol...
Head banger wrote:
damn straight. and people say we never agree.
LMAO
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Well, shaving the beard would help too, you must admit.
Head banger wrote:
shave your legs first!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Hah - cleaning might be my middle name - everyone here is a slob...lol. Am forever cleaning ,cooking, doing all the odd jobs...i'd make someone a lovely wife...
I agree with that disagreement........HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Do they say that? I disagree, they dont say that! Now, what is all that with Lmao?!?! I disagree with you using it! I used it first today! And damn straight? I disagree, because I am straight, and if you damn straight, you arent! And I disagree with you disagreeing me! That is totaly unacceptable, and if you say it is, than I disagree, which means that you disagree, and I disagree with you disagreeing with me!
Phew... How was that eh? Lol...
Head banger wrote:
damn straight. and people say we never agree.
LMAO
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Well, shaving the beard would help too, you must admit.
Head banger wrote:
shave your legs first!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Hah - cleaning might be my middle name - everyone here is a slob...lol. Am forever cleaning ,cooking, doing all the odd jobs...i'd make someone a lovely wife...
Do they say that? I disagree, they dont say that! Now, what is all that with Lmao?!?! I disagree with you using it! I used it first today! And damn straight? I disagree, because I am straight, and if you damn straight, you arent! And I disagree with you disagreeing me! That is totaly unacceptable, and if you say it is, than I disagree, which means that you disagree, and I disagree with you disagreeing with me!
damn straight. and people say we never agree.
LMAO
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Well, shaving the beard would help too, you must admit.
Head banger wrote:
shave your legs first!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Hah - cleaning might be my middle name - everyone here is a slob...lol. Am forever cleaning ,cooking, doing all the odd jobs...i'd make someone a lovely wife...
Lmao... Well, shaving the beard would help too, you must admit. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, May 05, 2009 7:05:48 AM)
Head banger wrote:
shave your legs first!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Hah - cleaning might be my middle name - everyone here is a slob...lol. Am forever cleaning ,cooking, doing all the odd jobs...i'd make someone a lovely wife...
The way you throw your hands in the air, its a wonder you still have them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, May 04, 2009 7:51:16 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm...EVERYTHING strat is saying here is wrong and ...that's just the way it is..(*throwing my hands in the air*) BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Easy! You dont need to tell me everything! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 04, 2009 6:45:12 AM)
Head banger wrote:
well not deliberatly!
_strat_ wrote:
Grown? What do you do, cultivate it?
Head banger wrote:
I dont think my virginity has quite grown back yet.
_strat_ wrote:
No, vampires suck the blood of maidens. So, you better get some garlic.
Head banger wrote:
isnt that where vampires came from?
see jesus creates problems all around.
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Didnt know you moved in such circles! I hope that when he said "this is my blood, this is my meat, eat it, drink it" (or whatever J-man said at the last supper), you didnt take it literary?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..Hey strat! That's not Jesus. That's Ramon, the tour guide. He was in the sacramental wine one minute , and naked on that cross the next..... BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! Oh man! That is just SO wrong! My apologies to our religious friends......
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, come on! That guy above the altar that looks like hes had too much to drink! Naked, on a cross? Thats him!
Deep Freeze wrote:
If you look closely, you can see people standing in the background. I have no idea why they had a rope there but I walked past it anyway! HA!!! Didn't see Jesus , though. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree. I was being a bit sarcastic with the last sentence. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, May 04, 2009 6:48:41 AM)
Head banger wrote:
all economies are crumbling right now, three reasons stand out.
economic growth goes in cycles
the price of oil got out of control, hurting most nations
credit was extended wrongly puting strain on the system
any one of these things could have been absorbed, all three could not, creating this mess. it will turn around.
share value in the north american market will also turn around. how your share system works, not sure
_strat_ wrote:
Exactly. At the beginning they were worth a fair bit. But, since there were a lot of them, and only a few companies who were buying them... They lost worth. Now, Im guessing its around 100€per person. Maybe not even that much. For 30 years of work in some cases. Thats why the economy is crumbling, I guess.
Head banger wrote:
well, right now they would be worth squat, considering the economy
_strat_ wrote:
No dividends, at least as far as I know. As for the worth, that really depends on the stock market, and of course, the offers. There are several companies who buy them, and they all compete with those prices.
Head banger wrote:
if they held onto them, would they get dividends? could it be worth more now?
_strat_ wrote:
An individual did what was best for him/her.
Now, I did oversimplify the issue a bit, but the way it went was that you got a certain worth of "certificates". You had a piece of paper that said you own a tiny little piece of something. In practice, there were only two things you could do with it: sell it or wipe your ass with it. Naturaly, people sold it.
Head banger wrote:
so then the people decided right? it could be the wrong decision, but their call.
_strat_ wrote:
Some were privatised, some are yet to be, some hopefully never will be.
Basicly, those that were privatised, were in a sense "given away", although that is not correct. The state gave each citizen a certain amount of shares (of the companies that were technicaly in ownership of the citizens), which were then in term bought by private hands.
Head banger wrote:
did the state sell them? give them away? still own them?
_strat_ wrote:
And if the workers werent there to produce, the people with ideas would only have... Well, ideas.
And, of course, there is a difference between our economies here - with most of our companies, no one took that risk, and no one invested money. Companies were created and developed under state planning.
Head banger wrote:
what if the minimum wage was indexed to the cost of living or average wage, so if the average wage goes up 5% the min wage goes up 5%?
do the workers create the wealth? without the person who came up with the idea for the product, invested their money in it, took the risk, there would be nothing for the workers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time.
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Grown? What do you do, cultivate it? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:07:55 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I dont think my virginity has quite grown back yet.
_strat_ wrote:
No, vampires suck the blood of maidens. So, you better get some garlic.
Head banger wrote:
isnt that where vampires came from?
see jesus creates problems all around.
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Didnt know you moved in such circles! I hope that when he said "this is my blood, this is my meat, eat it, drink it" (or whatever J-man said at the last supper), you didnt take it literary?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..Hey strat! That's not Jesus. That's Ramon, the tour guide. He was in the sacramental wine one minute , and naked on that cross the next..... BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! Oh man! That is just SO wrong! My apologies to our religious friends......
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, come on! That guy above the altar that looks like hes had too much to drink! Naked, on a cross? Thats him!
Deep Freeze wrote:
If you look closely, you can see people standing in the background. I have no idea why they had a rope there but I walked past it anyway! HA!!! Didn't see Jesus , though. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yup. Parties are bullshit, one party rules. My party. I expect to have my picture on your desktop, and you will pray to me before you go to sleep. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, May 03, 2009 9:07:23 PM)
Head banger wrote:
there you go, you have politics figured out.
_strat_ wrote:
Quite frankly, I think that the parties are bullshit. Populism, to win more votes. Politics are all about advertising now, and less about the content.
Head banger wrote:
I like the idea that everyone votes, but I also like the idea that you have an option to say these guys are all idiots find me a new slate of candidates. multiparty systems do create coalitions and short terms, which could be good or bad. personaly I am starting to like the 2 party system in the states beter. but you cant take a multiparty system and go back, only forwards. perhaps merging parties would help?
Ellieke wrote:
If anyone is looking for a politic challenge, just start with our Belgium politic system.
We have to vote , if we don't we'll get a fine of atleast 250€ but even when the results are in they can't make up their mind who is gone lead the country.
We are a year after the past election and still we don't know for sure who is leading Belgium, on June 7th we'll have to vote again maybe they will come to a workingagrement this time.
It's so complicated to know who is who and who does what, we have 3 different parlements for the 3 parts of Belgium and we have one that is for the whole of Belgium.
We have a king who doesn't have anything to say but hey is nice to see his castle and the gossip is fun.
Politics , nothing for me and I'm byfar not the only one who things about it like this. The people are so sick of the "buddy-politics" it wouldn't surpice me if there is a national stike if the results of the next voting are respected by the politicians.
Exactly. At the beginning they were worth a fair bit. But, since there were a lot of them, and only a few companies who were buying them... They lost worth. Now, Im guessing its around 100€per person. Maybe not even that much. For 30 years of work in some cases. Thats why the economy is crumbling, I guess.
well, right now they would be worth squat, considering the economy
_strat_ wrote:
No dividends, at least as far as I know. As for the worth, that really depends on the stock market, and of course, the offers. There are several companies who buy them, and they all compete with those prices.
Head banger wrote:
if they held onto them, would they get dividends? could it be worth more now?
_strat_ wrote:
An individual did what was best for him/her.
Now, I did oversimplify the issue a bit, but the way it went was that you got a certain worth of "certificates". You had a piece of paper that said you own a tiny little piece of something. In practice, there were only two things you could do with it: sell it or wipe your ass with it. Naturaly, people sold it.
Head banger wrote:
so then the people decided right? it could be the wrong decision, but their call.
_strat_ wrote:
Some were privatised, some are yet to be, some hopefully never will be.
Basicly, those that were privatised, were in a sense "given away", although that is not correct. The state gave each citizen a certain amount of shares (of the companies that were technicaly in ownership of the citizens), which were then in term bought by private hands.
Head banger wrote:
did the state sell them? give them away? still own them?
_strat_ wrote:
And if the workers werent there to produce, the people with ideas would only have... Well, ideas.
And, of course, there is a difference between our economies here - with most of our companies, no one took that risk, and no one invested money. Companies were created and developed under state planning.
Head banger wrote:
what if the minimum wage was indexed to the cost of living or average wage, so if the average wage goes up 5% the min wage goes up 5%?
do the workers create the wealth? without the person who came up with the idea for the product, invested their money in it, took the risk, there would be nothing for the workers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time.
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
I wouldnt mind. But only if they wouldnt take an age to load. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by metalbaatar from Sunday, May 03, 2009 5:47:19 PM)
metalbaatar wrote:
Who would like to have the ability to create polls on this noticeboard?
Welll... All I can say is that your churches are way more fun than ours. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:20:56 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I did not take it literary or literally.... HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, man! I was minding my own business and the guy got all crazy! What can I say??? Ah well....
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Didnt know you moved in such circles! I hope that when he said "this is my blood, this is my meat, eat it, drink it" (or whatever J-man said at the last supper), you didnt take it literary?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..Hey strat! That's not Jesus. That's Ramon, the tour guide. He was in the sacramental wine one minute , and naked on that cross the next..... BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! Oh man! That is just SO wrong! My apologies to our religious friends......
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, come on! That guy above the altar that looks like hes had too much to drink! Naked, on a cross? Thats him!
Deep Freeze wrote:
If you look closely, you can see people standing in the background. I have no idea why they had a rope there but I walked past it anyway! HA!!! Didn't see Jesus , though. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, vampires suck the blood of maidens. So, you better get some garlic. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:18:41 AM)
Head banger wrote:
isnt that where vampires came from?
see jesus creates problems all around.
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao... Didnt know you moved in such circles! I hope that when he said "this is my blood, this is my meat, eat it, drink it" (or whatever J-man said at the last supper), you didnt take it literary?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..Hey strat! That's not Jesus. That's Ramon, the tour guide. He was in the sacramental wine one minute , and naked on that cross the next..... BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! Oh man! That is just SO wrong! My apologies to our religious friends......
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, come on! That guy above the altar that looks like hes had too much to drink! Naked, on a cross? Thats him!
Deep Freeze wrote:
If you look closely, you can see people standing in the background. I have no idea why they had a rope there but I walked past it anyway! HA!!! Didn't see Jesus , though. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quite frankly, I think that the parties are bullshit. Populism, to win more votes. Politics are all about advertising now, and less about the content. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:27:03 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I like the idea that everyone votes, but I also like the idea that you have an option to say these guys are all idiots find me a new slate of candidates. multiparty systems do create coalitions and short terms, which could be good or bad. personaly I am starting to like the 2 party system in the states beter. but you cant take a multiparty system and go back, only forwards. perhaps merging parties would help?
Ellieke wrote:
If anyone is looking for a politic challenge, just start with our Belgium politic system.
We have to vote , if we don't we'll get a fine of atleast 250€ but even when the results are in they can't make up their mind who is gone lead the country.
We are a year after the past election and still we don't know for sure who is leading Belgium, on June 7th we'll have to vote again maybe they will come to a workingagrement this time.
It's so complicated to know who is who and who does what, we have 3 different parlements for the 3 parts of Belgium and we have one that is for the whole of Belgium.
We have a king who doesn't have anything to say but hey is nice to see his castle and the gossip is fun.
Politics , nothing for me and I'm byfar not the only one who things about it like this. The people are so sick of the "buddy-politics" it wouldn't surpice me if there is a national stike if the results of the next voting are respected by the politicians.
No dividends, at least as far as I know. As for the worth, that really depends on the stock market, and of course, the offers. There are several companies who buy them, and they all compete with those prices. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:21:10 AM)
Head banger wrote:
if they held onto them, would they get dividends? could it be worth more now?
_strat_ wrote:
An individual did what was best for him/her.
Now, I did oversimplify the issue a bit, but the way it went was that you got a certain worth of "certificates". You had a piece of paper that said you own a tiny little piece of something. In practice, there were only two things you could do with it: sell it or wipe your ass with it. Naturaly, people sold it.
Head banger wrote:
so then the people decided right? it could be the wrong decision, but their call.
_strat_ wrote:
Some were privatised, some are yet to be, some hopefully never will be.
Basicly, those that were privatised, were in a sense "given away", although that is not correct. The state gave each citizen a certain amount of shares (of the companies that were technicaly in ownership of the citizens), which were then in term bought by private hands.
Head banger wrote:
did the state sell them? give them away? still own them?
_strat_ wrote:
And if the workers werent there to produce, the people with ideas would only have... Well, ideas.
And, of course, there is a difference between our economies here - with most of our companies, no one took that risk, and no one invested money. Companies were created and developed under state planning.
Head banger wrote:
what if the minimum wage was indexed to the cost of living or average wage, so if the average wage goes up 5% the min wage goes up 5%?
do the workers create the wealth? without the person who came up with the idea for the product, invested their money in it, took the risk, there would be nothing for the workers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time.
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Lmao... Didnt know you moved in such circles! I hope that when he said "this is my blood, this is my meat, eat it, drink it" (or whatever J-man said at the last supper), you didnt take it literary?
Umm..Hey strat! That's not Jesus. That's Ramon, the tour guide. He was in the sacramental wine one minute , and naked on that cross the next..... BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!! Oh man! That is just SO wrong! My apologies to our religious friends......
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, come on! That guy above the altar that looks like hes had too much to drink! Naked, on a cross? Thats him!
Deep Freeze wrote:
If you look closely, you can see people standing in the background. I have no idea why they had a rope there but I walked past it anyway! HA!!! Didn't see Jesus , though. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So, you still like tourists as much? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 5:58:41 PM)
Head banger wrote:
sweet. yes, I am sure you were all a pain in the ass.
_strat_ wrote:
Then you should have been in Tuscany when we were there. High school field trip, and delighted that Italian law permits people above 16 to buy alcohol, as opposed to 18 here. We just went wild, and didnt care who thought we were a pain in the ass.
Head banger wrote:
as one who depended on tourists for a living (still do in a way) they are a pain, but they dont want to be for the most part.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yup, tourists are a pain in the ass... I hate to see them around here. Then again, I love going somewhere as a tourist, so I guess it equals out.
Greece... I would LOVE to go there once. Nice mediteranean land, with so many sights... Where in Greece were you? Athens? Did you see the Acropolis?
spapad wrote:
LOL, I did once in Greece use my flash on my camera, I was standing on the benches in the gallery to get a better shot and started flashing, the gard was saying in about 5 language to me to quit, I just acted like I didn't understand her. LOL Bad tourist! BAD!!! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, thats true. Mind you, I did smuggle a camera inside, but I didnt dare to use it. There were just too many guides in there. Pity. The Cathedral in Florence was a wonderfull sight.
spapad wrote:
You cant take pictures of ancient art work because the preservationists feel it will speed the fading of the pigments in the paint. I can see their point, but it doesn't help when your standing there looking at something so beautiful and not allowed to take home your own memory in a snapshot. Thank god, camera's have come a long way and can take decent low light pictures.
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, I did oversimplify the issue a bit, but the way it went was that you got a certain worth of "certificates". You had a piece of paper that said you own a tiny little piece of something. In practice, there were only two things you could do with it: sell it or wipe your ass with it. Naturaly, people sold it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 5:52:23 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so then the people decided right? it could be the wrong decision, but their call.
_strat_ wrote:
Some were privatised, some are yet to be, some hopefully never will be.
Basicly, those that were privatised, were in a sense "given away", although that is not correct. The state gave each citizen a certain amount of shares (of the companies that were technicaly in ownership of the citizens), which were then in term bought by private hands.
Head banger wrote:
did the state sell them? give them away? still own them?
_strat_ wrote:
And if the workers werent there to produce, the people with ideas would only have... Well, ideas.
And, of course, there is a difference between our economies here - with most of our companies, no one took that risk, and no one invested money. Companies were created and developed under state planning.
Head banger wrote:
what if the minimum wage was indexed to the cost of living or average wage, so if the average wage goes up 5% the min wage goes up 5%?
do the workers create the wealth? without the person who came up with the idea for the product, invested their money in it, took the risk, there would be nothing for the workers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time.
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Then you should have been in Tuscany when we were there. High school field trip, and delighted that Italian law permits people above 16 to buy alcohol, as opposed to 18 here. We just went wild, and didnt care who thought we were a pain in the ass. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:47:17 AM)
Head banger wrote:
as one who depended on tourists for a living (still do in a way) they are a pain, but they dont want to be for the most part.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yup, tourists are a pain in the ass... I hate to see them around here. Then again, I love going somewhere as a tourist, so I guess it equals out.
Greece... I would LOVE to go there once. Nice mediteranean land, with so many sights... Where in Greece were you? Athens? Did you see the Acropolis?
spapad wrote:
LOL, I did once in Greece use my flash on my camera, I was standing on the benches in the gallery to get a better shot and started flashing, the gard was saying in about 5 language to me to quit, I just acted like I didn't understand her. LOL Bad tourist! BAD!!! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, thats true. Mind you, I did smuggle a camera inside, but I didnt dare to use it. There were just too many guides in there. Pity. The Cathedral in Florence was a wonderfull sight.
spapad wrote:
You cant take pictures of ancient art work because the preservationists feel it will speed the fading of the pigments in the paint. I can see their point, but it doesn't help when your standing there looking at something so beautiful and not allowed to take home your own memory in a snapshot. Thank god, camera's have come a long way and can take decent low light pictures.
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool. Delphi must be a sight too, sen it on TV a couple of times. And Acropolis too.
Hopefully, in a not-too-distant future I will go there. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:35:08 AM)
spapad wrote:
I was there for five weeks, and saw Greece with my (then) husband. Saw about all of it the mainland you'd ever want to see, plus spent time in some of the villages in the bay type area between the pellopones and the mainland. Went to the Accropolis, Delphi, Olympia, A theater over on the pellapones I don't remember the name of. Had a great time. Never been in water so sallinic that you really don't need to know how to swim, you just sort of float.
Flora still goes each year to see her family there. I hope to go back someday to visit them. I may be divorced but I didn't divoce my family there. To my neices and nephew I am still Thea Susan.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yup, tourists are a pain in the ass... I hate to see them around here. Then again, I love going somewhere as a tourist, so I guess it equals out.
Greece... I would LOVE to go there once. Nice mediteranean land, with so many sights... Where in Greece were you? Athens? Did you see the Acropolis?
spapad wrote:
LOL, I did once in Greece use my flash on my camera, I was standing on the benches in the gallery to get a better shot and started flashing, the gard was saying in about 5 language to me to quit, I just acted like I didn't understand her. LOL Bad tourist! BAD!!! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, thats true. Mind you, I did smuggle a camera inside, but I didnt dare to use it. There were just too many guides in there. Pity. The Cathedral in Florence was a wonderfull sight.
spapad wrote:
You cant take pictures of ancient art work because the preservationists feel it will speed the fading of the pigments in the paint. I can see their point, but it doesn't help when your standing there looking at something so beautiful and not allowed to take home your own memory in a snapshot. Thank god, camera's have come a long way and can take decent low light pictures.
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Some were privatised, some are yet to be, some hopefully never will be.
Basicly, those that were privatised, were in a sense "given away", although that is not correct. The state gave each citizen a certain amount of shares (of the companies that were technicaly in ownership of the citizens), which were then in term bought by private hands. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:46:40 AM)
Head banger wrote:
did the state sell them? give them away? still own them?
_strat_ wrote:
And if the workers werent there to produce, the people with ideas would only have... Well, ideas.
And, of course, there is a difference between our economies here - with most of our companies, no one took that risk, and no one invested money. Companies were created and developed under state planning.
Head banger wrote:
what if the minimum wage was indexed to the cost of living or average wage, so if the average wage goes up 5% the min wage goes up 5%?
do the workers create the wealth? without the person who came up with the idea for the product, invested their money in it, took the risk, there would be nothing for the workers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time.
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Tsk, tsk! THAT is comrade Stalin! Comrade Beria is just out of the pic, receiving instructions! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:48:09 AM)
spapad wrote:
That's what Comrade Beria is saying there. "Pull my finger!" HA!!(Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:46:04 AM)
Head banger wrote:
politicians give me gas!!!
spapad wrote:
We will drive the People's truck, and deliver the message of the People, until we run out of the People's Gas.
I'm no politician, but that's what I'm hearing here. LOL(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:22:13 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
And if the workers werent there to produce, the people with ideas would only have... Well, ideas.
And, of course, there is a difference between our economies here - with most of our companies, no one took that risk, and no one invested money. Companies were created and developed under state planning.
Head banger wrote:
what if the minimum wage was indexed to the cost of living or average wage, so if the average wage goes up 5% the min wage goes up 5%?
do the workers create the wealth? without the person who came up with the idea for the product, invested their money in it, took the risk, there would be nothing for the workers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time.
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
"Comrade Beria, shoot the capitalist. And the silly Canuck." [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:24:50 AM)
spapad wrote:
We will drive the People's truck, and deliver the message of the People, until we run out of the People's Gas.
I'm no politician, but that's what I'm hearing here. LOL(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:22:13 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
And if the workers werent there to produce, the people with ideas would only have... Well, ideas.
And, of course, there is a difference between our economies here - with most of our companies, no one took that risk, and no one invested money. Companies were created and developed under state planning.
Head banger wrote:
what if the minimum wage was indexed to the cost of living or average wage, so if the average wage goes up 5% the min wage goes up 5%?
do the workers create the wealth? without the person who came up with the idea for the product, invested their money in it, took the risk, there would be nothing for the workers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time.
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Lol... Yup, tourists are a pain in the ass... I hate to see them around here. Then again, I love going somewhere as a tourist, so I guess it equals out.
Greece... I would LOVE to go there once. Nice mediteranean land, with so many sights... Where in Greece were you? Athens? Did you see the Acropolis?
LOL, I did once in Greece use my flash on my camera, I was standing on the benches in the gallery to get a better shot and started flashing, the gard was saying in about 5 language to me to quit, I just acted like I didn't understand her. LOL Bad tourist! BAD!!! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, thats true. Mind you, I did smuggle a camera inside, but I didnt dare to use it. There were just too many guides in there. Pity. The Cathedral in Florence was a wonderfull sight.
spapad wrote:
You cant take pictures of ancient art work because the preservationists feel it will speed the fading of the pigments in the paint. I can see their point, but it doesn't help when your standing there looking at something so beautiful and not allowed to take home your own memory in a snapshot. Thank god, camera's have come a long way and can take decent low light pictures.
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if the workers werent there to produce, the people with ideas would only have... Well, ideas.
And, of course, there is a difference between our economies here - with most of our companies, no one took that risk, and no one invested money. Companies were created and developed under state planning. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 11:13:33 AM)
Head banger wrote:
what if the minimum wage was indexed to the cost of living or average wage, so if the average wage goes up 5% the min wage goes up 5%?
do the workers create the wealth? without the person who came up with the idea for the product, invested their money in it, took the risk, there would be nothing for the workers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time.
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Yeah, thats true. Mind you, I did smuggle a camera inside, but I didnt dare to use it. There were just too many guides in there. Pity. The Cathedral in Florence was a wonderfull sight. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:53:09 AM)
spapad wrote:
You cant take pictures of ancient art work because the preservationists feel it will speed the fading of the pigments in the paint. I can see their point, but it doesn't help when your standing there looking at something so beautiful and not allowed to take home your own memory in a snapshot. Thank god, camera's have come a long way and can take decent low light pictures.
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol... Yeah, I know about that... We had a similar thing in mid-80s. A country where everyone was a millionare.
Now, it would be a great thing if the real wages would be increased in line with inflation, unfortunately they are not, unless the unions go out, block the streets for a day or two and strike for a week.
Now, gaining or losing. As I said, it would be good if it was true that we wouldnt be losing. But, there is another thing. As I said, workers work, and they lose all the time, no matter the inflation or deflation. Workers create wealth that is then expropriated, and distributed by others. That is why I say that they los all the time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:52:27 AM)
Head banger wrote:
inflation occurs when more money is placed into circulation, thats true. but the more times the money circulates the more peoples earnings go up vs the inflationary index. I was speaking of earnings power not dollars. look at zimbabwe, last year their inflation went up so fast that you could earn 10 million dollars one day (their dollars) and the next day that wouldnt get you a cup of water. people regularily earned that much and got nothing for it. would be cool to say you earned that, but...
so if the workers real (indexed to inflation) doesnt change, how is he losing. he gets the same thing. can buy the same stuff. not gaining does not equate to losing
_strat_ wrote:
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much.
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Aww, come on! That guy above the altar that looks like hes had too much to drink! Naked, on a cross? Thats him! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:42:44 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
If you look closely, you can see people standing in the background. I have no idea why they had a rope there but I walked past it anyway! HA!!! Didn't see Jesus , though. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!"
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wrong and wrong. More money in circulation is fine, but if the basic guaranteed incomes arent increased, how can those at the bottom get to it? That, and more money in circulation means inflation, which in term means that you need to pay more.
How are they not losing anything? The people at the bottom are the people doing the dirtiest, hardest and most underpaid jobs. They are losing all the time. If the get a bit more, that just means that they are not losing as much. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:40:56 AM)
Head banger wrote:
but, more money in circulation means everyone has more oportunity. and if those at the botom stay the same, they havent lost anything right
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard.
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
They let you take pictures in a church?!?! Damit... The fascist in Italy wouldnt even let me take a camera into the Florence cathedral.
But, I see that there is the ever-so typical rope barrier in front of the altar... Kinda like in front of nightclubs, eh? "Youre not cool enough to party with Jesus!" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:30:34 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Here is a pic I took inside the basilica at the Mision de Asis. Rather dark but it was a cool place. Just happened to be Good Friday as well! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL... No. Not when you calculate everything in averages. If those at the top move a great distance higher, that alone raises the average. The people at the bottom dont need to get anything more to raise the average standard. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:34:42 AM)
Head banger wrote:
but if the average standard is higher, surely that moves the people at the botom up a bit. it might move those at the top up a great distance, but most people get something.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history.
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
It would be, yes. But... We are an economy of some 2 million people. Germany is of 100 million. Germany has been a capitalist country for a century and more, we for 20 years. Their middle sized companies dwarf our big businesses. And most importantly, we already depend on them. And even if we were at their standard, we would still encounter the same problems that any capitalist society does. The pyramidal structure of society, corporate greed, lack of social security... All problems that we already have, to be sure. The point is that just an overall higher standard wouldnt solve them.
For better or for worse, we will never be like Germany. Infact, leaving socialism and attempting to compete in caplitalism with the old capitalist countries, was probably the single most stupid decision in our history. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:26:18 AM)
Head banger wrote:
well, if you were on an equal footing with say germany, wouldnt the standard of living be higher?
_strat_ wrote:
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy?
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Hardly. And, why would we want to compete in an open economy? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:18:43 AM)
Head banger wrote:
didnt knwo they had a different name for the economic and military aliance. good to know. do you think your country could grow its economy in a closed setting to be able to compete on equal footing one day as an open economy
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
Head banger wrote:
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Well, no, I was refering to the fact that they let you out. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, May 02, 2009 10:01:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yeah. You're right. They should have simply shot the scumbags and tossed the bodies in the bay for fish food.......HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Probably are... Pyramids are thousands of years old. Very impressive too, although Ive only seen them on pictures... Egyptians really had an obsession with death. I bet George Carlin would have a LOT to say about that...
As for the solitary confinment that you were in... That is a shame on the American judicial system.
Deep Freeze wrote:
GREAT pics, Ellie!!
Strat, you're right. I am NO big believer in "orbs" as anything more than just energy. I do not buy into the "ghost" thing with orbs. As for the graves, I just thought the setting was cool. It had a strange feel to it. I should think , somewhere on earth, there are graves that are thousands of years old (possibly tens of thousands?), if one knows where to look. It was a creepy place, so I took the shot.
I have been inside the prison. It is a VERY creepy place. I even sat in a 'solitary' cell. The Princess would not go in!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! She said it was "too scary". I plan to return and take the night tour . THAT would be awesome but it is so popular that you need to reserve weeks in advance and I did not know that at the time.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, and I think Freeze will agree on this, orbs are probably not lost souls.
Second of all... LOL... 200 years? The oldest structure Ive been into is 2000 years old.
spapad wrote:
Ya know if that picture were bigger I might be able to see if there are any "Orbs" there! We have a cemetary in this area that has gravestones that old, but for California, I imagine 1800's would be about as far back as they go, and of course you know most everyone in europe is laughing at this post!
We think when something is 200 years old, well shit that's old, but my X-husband grew up in a house that was built on top of a 400 year old already existing house belonging to his grandmother and grandfather. LOL
Deep Freeze wrote:
With pleasure, my dear!! Here is a picture of the old graveyard that we saw when we took the city tour. All the graves were dated in the mid-1800's! It was creepy but VERY cool!!!!
Well, first of all, the word youre looking for is COMECON. That was the economic union, Warsaw pact was a military alliance. But, since fmr. Yugoslavia wasnt a member of either, there isnt much that I can say about them.
Now, a closed vs. open economy... You see, I dont necesarily favour closed economies. I think that it would be better for us at this point to have a closed economy, since we are a small economy, that has a hard time standing up to the big ones. Like I said before, if the paricipants were more or less equal in strenght, than it would be different.
Now, to your question. Yes, you can have all four, at least thats what I think. A capitalist country can, potentialy, close its market, and remain capitalist on the inside. A socialist country can engage in trade with other countries, as COMECON countries did, and as we did, even though on a very small scale.
And thats another thing, too. Its not a black and white issue, open vs. closed, and nothing in between. Like I said, our economy was very closed, with a lot of protectionism. Did it mean that we did not trade with other countries? No. There were still excesses in our economy that were sold, and there were materials and products that we imported. We had to import oil, for example, as well as certain consumer goods (like coffee), simply because there was no other way we could get them.
But, trade is only a part of the story... The reason why I advocate a closed economy is primarily because of the ownership of businesses. You see, in a socialist economy, no matter how open, businesses are state owned. No one can come from abroad and buy the business, and bag the profits. In an open capitalist economy, that is not a problem.
so strat, since we agreed in another thread, perhaps we can in this one. you favor a closed economy vs an open one. the warsaw pact was a group of socialist or comunist countries that had open trade with eachother. would you agree that you can have a closed socialist economy an open socialist economy, a closed capitalist or open capitalist. not which is beter, just their existance
Probably are... Pyramids are thousands of years old. Very impressive too, although Ive only seen them on pictures... Egyptians really had an obsession with death. I bet George Carlin would have a LOT to say about that...
As for the solitary confinment that you were in... That is a shame on the American judicial system.
Strat, you're right. I am NO big believer in "orbs" as anything more than just energy. I do not buy into the "ghost" thing with orbs. As for the graves, I just thought the setting was cool. It had a strange feel to it. I should think , somewhere on earth, there are graves that are thousands of years old (possibly tens of thousands?), if one knows where to look. It was a creepy place, so I took the shot.
I have been inside the prison. It is a VERY creepy place. I even sat in a 'solitary' cell. The Princess would not go in!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! She said it was "too scary". I plan to return and take the night tour . THAT would be awesome but it is so popular that you need to reserve weeks in advance and I did not know that at the time.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, and I think Freeze will agree on this, orbs are probably not lost souls.
Second of all... LOL... 200 years? The oldest structure Ive been into is 2000 years old.
spapad wrote:
Ya know if that picture were bigger I might be able to see if there are any "Orbs" there! We have a cemetary in this area that has gravestones that old, but for California, I imagine 1800's would be about as far back as they go, and of course you know most everyone in europe is laughing at this post!
We think when something is 200 years old, well shit that's old, but my X-husband grew up in a house that was built on top of a 400 year old already existing house belonging to his grandmother and grandfather. LOL
Deep Freeze wrote:
With pleasure, my dear!! Here is a picture of the old graveyard that we saw when we took the city tour. All the graves were dated in the mid-1800's! It was creepy but VERY cool!!!!
Ya know if that picture were bigger I might be able to see if there are any "Orbs" there! We have a cemetary in this area that has gravestones that old, but for California, I imagine 1800's would be about as far back as they go, and of course you know most everyone in europe is laughing at this post!
We think when something is 200 years old, well shit that's old, but my X-husband grew up in a house that was built on top of a 400 year old already existing house belonging to his grandmother and grandfather. LOL
Deep Freeze wrote:
With pleasure, my dear!! Here is a picture of the old graveyard that we saw when we took the city tour. All the graves were dated in the mid-1800's! It was creepy but VERY cool!!!!
I agree with you, and thats all I have to say on the subject. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, May 01, 2009 1:50:38 PM)
Head banger wrote:
fuck me!!! enough Drama and BULLSHIT here. All of us dont want to know what you were doing.
Weeeelllll.... You see, hard times, thats what it is... Why would I spend a fortune on heating and clothes, when I have a wonderfull fur of my own? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, May 01, 2009 11:44:42 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
WHAT?! Why, I never! Let's see YOU run 13.1 miles under a hot Nashville sky. Come to think of it, Been a while since you've posted a pic of YOU! Afraid we will all make fun of your excess back hair? Perhaps you didn't shave properly when donning that Speedo? In any case, I am cut to the quick.
Plus, Vail was right....more like a garza except my knees bend the right way. LOL!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
They would look better fried...
Yes, I am implying that he has legs like a chicken.
devils_child wrote:
Guid has hot legs........
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, fine...here is me before the Nashville Music Marathon. Five am and gettin' my game face on!
Look! Buffalo wings for dinner tonight! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 30, 2009 3:11:32 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hello there, Michael!!! All is quiet in the west! The cows are resting and the indians are peaceful!!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Howdy DF!! What's up in the wild wild west??
Deep Freeze wrote:
GOOOOOOOD Afternoon, kiddies! I trust we are all having a wonderful day? Busy Busy Busy!!! So much happening but I felt that I just HAD to stop in to say "howdy"...!
Well, you can open all of them by cliking "show all"... But, if there are 20 000+, then you can take a long vacation, before it all loads... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, April 29, 2009 10:14:23 PM)
Head banger wrote:
will only give you the last 500 unfortunatly
spapad wrote:
Mine says I have 20, 887 messages because I never open that link, now it's so large I don't dare open it! LOL
Head banger wrote:
do you view by clicking that link? it goes away for me.,
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
so how come after you view the messages .. the message that tells you how many new messages are on your computer from the time of the last visit.. does not go away anymore.. it used to????????????????
IDK... It should have. IDK, I havent used that thing in a while, but if you try opening and closing it a couple of times, perhaps it will. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:48:01 PM)
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
so how come after you view the messages .. the message that tells you how many new messages are on your computer from the time of the last visit.. does not go away anymore.. it used to????????????????
Beneficial for all? Hardly. Beneficial for the strong, thats more appropriate.
The thing is, it would be beneficial for all, if all countries in the world (or all countries that would integrate their economies) would be on a more or less equal economic level. They are not, however. I mean, just look at the EU. Thats the most integrated economic union of independant countries in the world. Yet not everyone benefits from it, far from it. We know who has the voice. The big three: UK, France, Germany. The rest of us pretty much have to go with whatever they want, for better or for worse. Now, if we had a closed economy, like we used to, things would be different. Would we feel the global crisis? Without a doubt. But... If we had a closed economy, one of the major advantages would be that our government could actualy do something about it, instead of being powerless, as is the case now.
And that is basicaly the best thing about closing your economy: you maintain influence over it. Right now, your government, my government, or any government can sit back and watch how will it go. They can do their best do ease the social implications (as in subventions, social programes for the unemployed and underpayed...), but they cant do a thing to end the shit. Its gone way beyond the power of any single government.
Now, one could argue (with a lot of problems) that the free market was good for a while... But was the good time worth all this shit? Or would it be better to keep it on a leash, and keep at least certain minimums that we could always go back to?
Thats the thing with minimal wages too. I would rather see that I dont have the chance to be another Bill Gates, if that would mean that I wouldnt have a minimum that I can always go back to, no matter how hard I fail.
And, of course... In any economy, certain individuals have control of it. Now, wheter there are a lot of those individuals, or only a few depends on the type of economy, but there is always someone. Free market, despite of what is it made to look like, is not a living thing, pursuing its own ends, but is just like any other market, its ran by people. And in that context, how do you define "artificial" force? Government interferance? Even in the most free markets, the government interfered, and had certain monopolies. It has to. If, for example (and I know its an overreaction) we were to privatise the armed forces... We wouldnt have to worry about our neighbours. Wed have a civil war in two weeks.
This is a double edged sword, but in the long run is beneficial for all.Sure if the USA tanks their economy it’s going to hurt everyone, but when they are strong it benefits everyone.The pooled approach is like insurance though; it spreads the risk, with a bunch of closed economies if something goes wrong, that country suffers huge problems.Now as an economy is changing in any way or structure it is more vulnerable, and that is showing right now, but the economies where people benefit the most are the ones where the individual has the most control, and that is thru the market economy.When an artificial force acts on the market, it throws it out of balance.Sometimes that’s necessary, even good, extreme growth needs to be limited, as does any abuses of individuals or the environment, but excessive interference in the way the free market works slows down the growth for all.Personally, although I would never want to try it, I THINK that if you got rid of all min wage standards you would end up with a higher average wage in a year’s time.Probably a few would suffer though, and they would be the most vulnerable so that’s why I say I wouldn’t like to try.
Aww... Sorry, we sent you that. Dont worry, it will get better in an hour or three. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Wednesday, April 29, 2009 5:49:38 AM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
The temperature's fallen!! Now +10c and it's still raining!!
An integrated economy is like conquest. Good for the conqueror, bad for the conquered. Big countries that have a lot of big, strong, international companies get to "conquer" (economicaly) smaller economies that dont have such companies. There are no "upsides" to selling your national economy.
Thats why we always say... Its World War 2 all over again. Just that this time the Germans came with money instead of guns. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, April 26, 2009 10:15:32 PM)
Head banger wrote:
strat, its a double edged sword, an integrated economy means more potential and more risk. overall the upside is beter, but on a bad day that doesnt help much
_strat_ wrote:
No. I see a bit of steely, brassy and coppery. No irony.
I dont have a crystal ball, but it doesnt take one. Good companies were or are about to be sold abroad to foreign corporations that dont give a shit about our interests. No wonder then - as soon as Germany hit the reccesion, we did too. We just dont have any control over our economy anymore. It leads to a disaster, imo.
Well, that said... Im off home. See you around later.
Head banger wrote:
you do see the irony in that right.
my crystal ball is broken, but my giess would be that people there will enjoy a benefit, but it takes time.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be more accurate to say that they benefited more. That is in our version os socialism, anyway (self managing, decentralised, as oposed to complete state control in the Soviet model). The party members had privileges, that is true. Of course, how many depended on ones position in the hierarchy. A local party official wouldnt be much different than an average worker in material terms. The big shots were rich, drove expensive imported cars (in times when customs on imported cars were around 100%), but when all is said and done, the rich guys of socialism cannot compare even remotely to the transition tycoons. Mainly because they were limited. They were limited by the law (the companies were in common ownership - they just ran them, they couldnt sell them to foreigners, like its been happening ever since 91), and they had to take into consideration such things as workers councils, which meant that they couldnt cut the wages and benefits like modern businessmen do.
Now, on the question should that be so in socialism... I think not. But it was, and interestingly enough, capitalism has proven itself even worse, as far as upper class privileges are concerned.
Maybe the full effect wont be seen for years, that is true. But like as not, that effect will turn out to be a disaster, not a blessing.
Head banger wrote:
you do realize of course that your in a time of significant economic change. the full effect of that change for your country will not be seen for years. but interestingly you said
"Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one."
so, socialism is run for first the benefit of the members of the party?
or they at least benefit more. and they dont do the labour. sort of like a factory owner, no?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, so we agree at least on the first part. Thats something, I guess. Basicaly, a crime is a crime, no matter where, and there are courts to handle it.
Now, blame... For better or for worse, the power over the economy is concentrated in the hands of a minority - which are the business onwers (or whoever they appoint to run the business for them) and the politicians of the most economicaly developed countries. The average worker doesnt have any power. The average worker (lets say he is a construction worker) laid bricks 20 years ago in socialism, 10 years ago in the transition and he does it now in capitalism. In your country it is even more monotonous, he laid it in capitalism all the time, with only an occasional shakeup in the economy. The point is, that we (as in the average people doing average jobs) are working and doing things pretty much the same in most any circumstance. We havent changed the way we work, and we havent changed the way our actions affect the economy as a whole. Now, the big guys, the CEOs, the politicians, the large owners of big businesses, they did. In our case, they made the transition from socialism to capitalism, privatised most of the economy, and outright stole most of it through means that are only now being revealed. On your end, I dont know what happened. Something had to, and I bet it wasnt from the bottom, but from the top.
Now, I may have gone on a bit with it, but I think I made my point... Why I think that white collars are to blame.
Now, the socialisation of debts... Yes, it shouldnt be. There shouldnt be any debts in the first place, but there are and we have to deal with them. The thing is that by doing that, those that are socialising the debt are diggin their own graves. They are putting the load on the shoulders of people that are least able to handle it, and sooner or later that will crack. Ok, not a revolution I guess (tho that would be for the best), but... Strikes, public pressure, government will have to do this and that... Civil disobidience, maybe... In any case, it wont go, simply because it cannot. And if those people that are now laying off workers, or cutting their wages, or trying to increase the minimum retirement age think that they will achieve their goal with that, they are dead wrong. Even the welfare wont be enough now. For welfare to function, there must be enough people with enough income to sustain those that cannot get to an income on their own.
Now, as for who gets a wage cut sooner... I dont know about you personaly, so I wont say anything about that. But, if you take 20% from someone who earns between 3000 and 5000 € per month, they will still have more than enough to make it through the month. If you take 20% from someone who earns between 300 and 500€ (which isnt enough as it is)... Well, do I have to go on? Perhaps the issue here is that the people with the highest incomes werent cut enough.
As far as the shrinking of our middle class goes, I dont have any statistical data. Just my observations. Now, we tend to compare a lot between our socialist era and the present times. Now, if I go back to the 1960s... My grandparents, my grandfather a construction worker, my grandmother a factory worker. Yet they built a house, a holiday home, owned a car and raised a family. Nowadays, that would be a utopia. Just buying a piece of land would cost me an arm and a leg. And there are loads of stories like that, thousands of them, all accros the former state. All goes to transition and privatisation. What once belonged to all of us, now belongs to few to do as they will with it.
Now, the last 18 months (and last 6 months specialy) have certainly been a punch... But it all goes in the same direction as it did for the past 20 odd years. Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one.
Head banger wrote:
The law could say something, but often does not, and in any event if the company did the right thing and fired Mr. Asshole, the union grievance would be a separate issue to the criminal one.Your right, all that should be with the courts, not the unions, but right now both issues happen, which, is a huge waste of time.I think that the guy who shoots someone will have bigger things to worry about than the union, but I think if it came down to it; the law requires them to defend him.It is a sad situation.
The principle is fine, except you can’t spread principle on your toast in the morning.The white collar workers already got a pay cut, except 20%, who well they did get a pay cut, totally.But to be fair, some blue collars also got the axe earlier; they had to close some plants.Whose fault is the current situation?The blame spreads like ripples in a pond after a rock was tossed in.Senior management approved car designs that were not what was needed.Unions fought against flexibility on assembly lines, arguing that it was harder for the workers to have to build different types of cars on different days.True, but it would have saved a lot for the company.It might have meant some plant closures, which is probably the real issue for the union, but would have aligned production to market demand.The unions also fought against more automation, as it costs them jobs, but it would increase quality.Quality and design are the two things that are hurting Chrysler more than any other automaker.Both have faults within and outside the company.Then the current financial crisis hit.Neither entity caused it, although both had their role to play in it, small though it may be.
I agree with you about socializing the debts, it should not be.You can’t have it both ways; either you’re a socialist endeavor, or a capitalist endeavor.If you’re a capitalist you succeed, evolve or become extinct.But, it seems cold hearted to put a quarter million people out of work, sometimes because of nothing they controlled.Guess that’s why corporate as well as individual welfare exists in capitalist societies.Remember though, most of these companies are controlled by shareholders, most of whom are people like us, small time holders, mostly in a pension plan or fund. Sure some shareholders are bigger, and Chrysler is privately held (by a publicly traded company) but most everyone here is a shareholder in a whole variety of companies.When one fails, it costs lots of people, in upper, middle and lower classes.
Typically I would say that white collar gets a pay cut before blue collar.I will not see a raise this year, the blue collar workers in our company will.I dunno how union negotiations will go (our company has separate agreements everywhere) this year, but those that are in place are not opened up, but the middle class (and the few upper class) white collars get zip for increase.
When you say the middle class is shrinking what time period are you looking at, and what measurements?If very recent, last say 18 months, I could agree, but I think that’s a blip.If you define middle class as being within say 20% of the average wage, how does that vary by year?
Damned if I know where to find the data, I am just going by my observations, which are quite limited.I need a researcher to help with this stuff.Perhaps there is a government grant?
Oh... Damn... What was I thinking... It is a good association, tho. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, April 26, 2009 2:57:23 PM)
Head banger wrote:
ha. yes I did
bouncers are the guys in the bar who keep you in line and kick your ass if you dont pay
_strat_ wrote:
Doh... Dirt = a bad thing. Strippers = a good thing. The good thing is so much better than the bad thing is bad, that the good thing outweighs the bad.
Then again, I know that you knew what I meant, so Im not sure why I bothered writing the explanation. Im not deleting it now.
Oh, and what are "bouncers"? Slang for plastic boobs?
Head banger wrote:
are you calling her fat? watch out, some of those clubs have 1000 on each shift. you could get killed. not to mention the bouncers!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the strippers outhweigh all the dirt, if you ask me.
Deep Freeze wrote:
No argument there, man. Canada is VERY beautiful. This is the desert, man!! All we have is dirt!...Oh, and strippers. HAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
vegas is a nice place, considering I am suposed to get 10-15cm of snow tomorow and 5-10 cm on tuesday. (15cm=6")
if you know how to skate you might have been well above what the flames did last night.
still, its pretier here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Nah, I think he would be much happier here in Las Vegas. MUCH more to his liking! Oh, and I do know how to skate......HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
hey the way the flames played last night, either of you two would have fit in. wouldnt even need to know how to skate!!
steve, its beautifull here, but damn pricy still
Deep Freeze wrote:
Play 'hockey', I'm sure.......... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
if you came here, what would you want to do?
Necroticist wrote:
I wanna relocate - am wasted here.....looking at USA or Canada.....mebbe the latter. We'll see....
Ellieke wrote:
Couple years ago we were thinking about moving to America for my husbands job.
It would have been for a period of 3 years , but we didn't do it because my parents were so unhappy about the distance.
Now I think about it again , just so we can see more of JP. They only come to Belgium ones in so many years and flinging over to America just to see a gig wouldn't be enough to satisfy my needs.
Well, maybe we'll never move to the Stats but nobody can forbit me to dream about it.
Doh... Dirt = a bad thing. Strippers = a good thing. The good thing is so much better than the bad thing is bad, that the good thing outweighs the bad.
Then again, I know that you knew what I meant, so Im not sure why I bothered writing the explanation. Im not deleting it now.
Oh, and what are "bouncers"? Slang for plastic boobs?
are you calling her fat? watch out, some of those clubs have 1000 on each shift. you could get killed. not to mention the bouncers!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the strippers outhweigh all the dirt, if you ask me.
Deep Freeze wrote:
No argument there, man. Canada is VERY beautiful. This is the desert, man!! All we have is dirt!...Oh, and strippers. HAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
vegas is a nice place, considering I am suposed to get 10-15cm of snow tomorow and 5-10 cm on tuesday. (15cm=6")
if you know how to skate you might have been well above what the flames did last night.
still, its pretier here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Nah, I think he would be much happier here in Las Vegas. MUCH more to his liking! Oh, and I do know how to skate......HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
hey the way the flames played last night, either of you two would have fit in. wouldnt even need to know how to skate!!
steve, its beautifull here, but damn pricy still
Deep Freeze wrote:
Play 'hockey', I'm sure.......... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
if you came here, what would you want to do?
Necroticist wrote:
I wanna relocate - am wasted here.....looking at USA or Canada.....mebbe the latter. We'll see....
Ellieke wrote:
Couple years ago we were thinking about moving to America for my husbands job.
It would have been for a period of 3 years , but we didn't do it because my parents were so unhappy about the distance.
Now I think about it again , just so we can see more of JP. They only come to Belgium ones in so many years and flinging over to America just to see a gig wouldn't be enough to satisfy my needs.
Well, maybe we'll never move to the Stats but nobody can forbit me to dream about it.
Well, the strippers outhweigh all the dirt, if you ask me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:21:36 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
No argument there, man. Canada is VERY beautiful. This is the desert, man!! All we have is dirt!...Oh, and strippers. HAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
vegas is a nice place, considering I am suposed to get 10-15cm of snow tomorow and 5-10 cm on tuesday. (15cm=6")
if you know how to skate you might have been well above what the flames did last night.
still, its pretier here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Nah, I think he would be much happier here in Las Vegas. MUCH more to his liking! Oh, and I do know how to skate......HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
hey the way the flames played last night, either of you two would have fit in. wouldnt even need to know how to skate!!
steve, its beautifull here, but damn pricy still
Deep Freeze wrote:
Play 'hockey', I'm sure.......... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
if you came here, what would you want to do?
Necroticist wrote:
I wanna relocate - am wasted here.....looking at USA or Canada.....mebbe the latter. We'll see....
Ellieke wrote:
Couple years ago we were thinking about moving to America for my husbands job.
It would have been for a period of 3 years , but we didn't do it because my parents were so unhappy about the distance.
Now I think about it again , just so we can see more of JP. They only come to Belgium ones in so many years and flinging over to America just to see a gig wouldn't be enough to satisfy my needs.
Well, maybe we'll never move to the Stats but nobody can forbit me to dream about it.
Think about it. They prefer hockey over football, and they dont drive on the wrong side of the road, like you Brits do. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Sunday, April 26, 2009 1:53:01 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
Been shown a few pics of Canada today.....am already in love....
I know. Why do you think I posted it? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 24, 2009 2:26:04 PM)
Head banger wrote:
DF hates that one. me, I love it.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... You konw, the olny ipomrtant tihng abuot splelnig is taht the frist and the lsat letetr in a wrod are in the rghit palce. Tehn you can raed it.
Damn you over there... Zealenders and Ausies... When youre done with the night, you recycle it, and send it to us. The good thing is, we get to do the same with the yanks... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, April 24, 2009 2:26:02 PM)
Becks wrote:
Hiya everyone! Saturday morning here, just had my breakfast after attending the dawn service for ANZAC day in camp pretty sleepy now though LOL may nap for an hour LOL!
Hope you are all well!
Well... You konw, the olny ipomrtant tihng abuot splelnig is taht the frist and the lsat letetr in a wrod are in the rghit palce. Tehn you can raed it.
lmao... Well, I meant that yellow, curved thing that you peel and eat.
Damn your English and all its double n`s, o`s, e`s, ect... And damn the apostrophes! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, April 24, 2009 10:39:09 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..hey , wait a minute there...that is not a "banana"...... BWAAAAHAAHHAAHHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. With a fence. The kind where you can look through and go "here, monkey! Ive got a bannana for you!".
Deep Freeze wrote:
From computers??!?!? From human beings! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Beyond a doubt. The last time he was thrown out, I gave him a week. He came back in two hours. Now, I would be willing to bet that he will be back by tomorow.
I guess Murray is doing what he can, and dont get me wrong, Im all for it... But, as I said over and over... He wont be kept away by banns. He needs to be separated from computers, period.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I cannot say that I am displeased at all. I am grateful to Murray for wiping out any trace of that loser's existence. Grateful, indeed! Now, if he will just stay away...and maybe take the other one or two with him. Too much to ask?
_strat_ wrote:
I see that the wonderfull conversation from yesterday was sacked together with the thread... Pity. We were just warming up.
Yup. With a fence. The kind where you can look through and go "here, monkey! Ive got a bannana for you!". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, April 24, 2009 10:32:54 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
From computers??!?!? From human beings! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Beyond a doubt. The last time he was thrown out, I gave him a week. He came back in two hours. Now, I would be willing to bet that he will be back by tomorow.
I guess Murray is doing what he can, and dont get me wrong, Im all for it... But, as I said over and over... He wont be kept away by banns. He needs to be separated from computers, period.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I cannot say that I am displeased at all. I am grateful to Murray for wiping out any trace of that loser's existence. Grateful, indeed! Now, if he will just stay away...and maybe take the other one or two with him. Too much to ask?
_strat_ wrote:
I see that the wonderfull conversation from yesterday was sacked together with the thread... Pity. We were just warming up.
Beyond a doubt. The last time he was thrown out, I gave him a week. He came back in two hours. Now, I would be willing to bet that he will be back by tomorow.
I guess Murray is doing what he can, and dont get me wrong, Im all for it... But, as I said over and over... He wont be kept away by banns. He needs to be separated from computers, period.
I cannot say that I am displeased at all. I am grateful to Murray for wiping out any trace of that loser's existence. Grateful, indeed! Now, if he will just stay away...and maybe take the other one or two with him. Too much to ask?
_strat_ wrote:
I see that the wonderfull conversation from yesterday was sacked together with the thread... Pity. We were just warming up.
The US is fucked, tho. It took me a better part of an hour to figure it all out. And Europe would be a lot easier if it werent for all those city states like Monaco and Andorra.
Its a test where you ahve to put the names of the 48 contiginous US states on the map. I actually managed to finish it once, although I had a lot of problems with all those little states on the east coast...
Its a test where you ahve to put the names of the 48 contiginous US states on the map. I actually managed to finish it once, although I had a lot of problems with all those little states on the east coast...
Now that must be a sight, with all those weird clothes of his. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:21:35 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Wow!! The new messiah is coming from Slovenia!!
Tell the pope and I think he's shitting his panties!!
Wine me!! Beer me!! Feed me!!
_strat_ wrote:
Can we? You should se the tricks I do with fish and wine.
I was refering to you. I dont expect him to learn anything.
Head banger wrote:
no no no
I wasnt looking for you to teach him something, that would be a miracle, and I think we can agree that you are not the next coming of christ.
Just leting him use your brain, sharing
_strat_ wrote:
No, no, no... You got it all wrong again! Didnt I teach you anything? If my brain would expand into his brain cells sovereign territory, that would be imperialist!
Head banger wrote:
perhaps in strats persit of socialism they could share the brain??? Strat, dont do it, keep your brain for you. private ownership all the way!!!
Ehm... Well... Thou shalt not temp Strat, thy lord! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:26:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
cure my cold by the time my drive home ends and I will believe it.
_strat_ wrote:
Can we? You should se the tricks I do with fish and wine.
I was refering to you. I dont expect him to learn anything.
Head banger wrote:
no no no
I wasnt looking for you to teach him something, that would be a miracle, and I think we can agree that you are not the next coming of christ.
Just leting him use your brain, sharing
_strat_ wrote:
No, no, no... You got it all wrong again! Didnt I teach you anything? If my brain would expand into his brain cells sovereign territory, that would be imperialist!
Head banger wrote:
perhaps in strats persit of socialism they could share the brain??? Strat, dont do it, keep your brain for you. private ownership all the way!!!
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry, I have to go mix my Metamucil...... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lmao...Oh, well... I guess the only thing worse than a capitalist is an old capitalist.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! Forget it!! "If you feed 'em, they never leave...." HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Can you cook?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, it is the desert and it is the southwest US. Kind of normal here. As far as YOU and I living in the same house...........................
Can I move in with you? I mean, I noticed that almost every time you talk about weather, youre saying its nice and sunny.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! Another day in the 90's here in Vegas! I hear that we will be back to the 70's over the weekend but I think summer is going to get an early start! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I hope you all have a wonderful day!
scorpion01 wrote:
GOOD MORNING! HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL. SPRING IS IN THE AIR HERE IN NEW YORK CITY. 60'S TODAY, SUMMER THIS WEEKEND 80'S. TOO HOT TOO SOON.
LITTLE LEAGUE GAMES BEGIN, SO GOOD TIMES WITH THE KIDS.
Can we? You should se the tricks I do with fish and wine.
I was refering to you. I dont expect him to learn anything. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 23, 2009 12:50:28 PM)
Head banger wrote:
no no no
I wasnt looking for you to teach him something, that would be a miracle, and I think we can agree that you are not the next coming of christ.
Just leting him use your brain, sharing
_strat_ wrote:
No, no, no... You got it all wrong again! Didnt I teach you anything? If my brain would expand into his brain cells sovereign territory, that would be imperialist!
Head banger wrote:
perhaps in strats persit of socialism they could share the brain??? Strat, dont do it, keep your brain for you. private ownership all the way!!!
HA!!!!!!!!!!! Forget it!! "If you feed 'em, they never leave...." HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Can you cook?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, it is the desert and it is the southwest US. Kind of normal here. As far as YOU and I living in the same house...........................
Can I move in with you? I mean, I noticed that almost every time you talk about weather, youre saying its nice and sunny.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! Another day in the 90's here in Vegas! I hear that we will be back to the 70's over the weekend but I think summer is going to get an early start! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I hope you all have a wonderful day!
scorpion01 wrote:
GOOD MORNING! HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL. SPRING IS IN THE AIR HERE IN NEW YORK CITY. 60'S TODAY, SUMMER THIS WEEKEND 80'S. TOO HOT TOO SOON.
LITTLE LEAGUE GAMES BEGIN, SO GOOD TIMES WITH THE KIDS.
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, it is the desert and it is the southwest US. Kind of normal here. As far as YOU and I living in the same house...........................
Can I move in with you? I mean, I noticed that almost every time you talk about weather, youre saying its nice and sunny.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! Another day in the 90's here in Vegas! I hear that we will be back to the 70's over the weekend but I think summer is going to get an early start! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I hope you all have a wonderful day!
scorpion01 wrote:
GOOD MORNING! HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL. SPRING IS IN THE AIR HERE IN NEW YORK CITY. 60'S TODAY, SUMMER THIS WEEKEND 80'S. TOO HOT TOO SOON.
LITTLE LEAGUE GAMES BEGIN, SO GOOD TIMES WITH THE KIDS.
not yet comrad. there is still much time to argue. I prefer parades like the ones in rio though.
_strat_ wrote:
Im back...
Glad to see that I won an argument (j/k)... This calls for a parade!!
Comrade Beria, shoot that silly Canuck!
Head banger wrote:
ah. well, on that funny note, good day.
_strat_ wrote:
No. I see a bit of steely, brassy and coppery. No irony.
I dont have a crystal ball, but it doesnt take one. Good companies were or are about to be sold abroad to foreign corporations that dont give a shit about our interests. No wonder then - as soon as Germany hit the reccesion, we did too. We just dont have any control over our economy anymore. It leads to a disaster, imo.
Well, that said... Im off home. See you around later.
Head banger wrote:
you do see the irony in that right.
my crystal ball is broken, but my giess would be that people there will enjoy a benefit, but it takes time.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be more accurate to say that they benefited more. That is in our version os socialism, anyway (self managing, decentralised, as oposed to complete state control in the Soviet model). The party members had privileges, that is true. Of course, how many depended on ones position in the hierarchy. A local party official wouldnt be much different than an average worker in material terms. The big shots were rich, drove expensive imported cars (in times when customs on imported cars were around 100%), but when all is said and done, the rich guys of socialism cannot compare even remotely to the transition tycoons. Mainly because they were limited. They were limited by the law (the companies were in common ownership - they just ran them, they couldnt sell them to foreigners, like its been happening ever since 91), and they had to take into consideration such things as workers councils, which meant that they couldnt cut the wages and benefits like modern businessmen do.
Now, on the question should that be so in socialism... I think not. But it was, and interestingly enough, capitalism has proven itself even worse, as far as upper class privileges are concerned.
Maybe the full effect wont be seen for years, that is true. But like as not, that effect will turn out to be a disaster, not a blessing.
Head banger wrote:
you do realize of course that your in a time of significant economic change. the full effect of that change for your country will not be seen for years. but interestingly you said
"Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one."
so, socialism is run for first the benefit of the members of the party?
or they at least benefit more. and they dont do the labour. sort of like a factory owner, no?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, so we agree at least on the first part. Thats something, I guess. Basicaly, a crime is a crime, no matter where, and there are courts to handle it.
Now, blame... For better or for worse, the power over the economy is concentrated in the hands of a minority - which are the business onwers (or whoever they appoint to run the business for them) and the politicians of the most economicaly developed countries. The average worker doesnt have any power. The average worker (lets say he is a construction worker) laid bricks 20 years ago in socialism, 10 years ago in the transition and he does it now in capitalism. In your country it is even more monotonous, he laid it in capitalism all the time, with only an occasional shakeup in the economy. The point is, that we (as in the average people doing average jobs) are working and doing things pretty much the same in most any circumstance. We havent changed the way we work, and we havent changed the way our actions affect the economy as a whole. Now, the big guys, the CEOs, the politicians, the large owners of big businesses, they did. In our case, they made the transition from socialism to capitalism, privatised most of the economy, and outright stole most of it through means that are only now being revealed. On your end, I dont know what happened. Something had to, and I bet it wasnt from the bottom, but from the top.
Now, I may have gone on a bit with it, but I think I made my point... Why I think that white collars are to blame.
Now, the socialisation of debts... Yes, it shouldnt be. There shouldnt be any debts in the first place, but there are and we have to deal with them. The thing is that by doing that, those that are socialising the debt are diggin their own graves. They are putting the load on the shoulders of people that are least able to handle it, and sooner or later that will crack. Ok, not a revolution I guess (tho that would be for the best), but... Strikes, public pressure, government will have to do this and that... Civil disobidience, maybe... In any case, it wont go, simply because it cannot. And if those people that are now laying off workers, or cutting their wages, or trying to increase the minimum retirement age think that they will achieve their goal with that, they are dead wrong. Even the welfare wont be enough now. For welfare to function, there must be enough people with enough income to sustain those that cannot get to an income on their own.
Now, as for who gets a wage cut sooner... I dont know about you personaly, so I wont say anything about that. But, if you take 20% from someone who earns between 3000 and 5000 € per month, they will still have more than enough to make it through the month. If you take 20% from someone who earns between 300 and 500€ (which isnt enough as it is)... Well, do I have to go on? Perhaps the issue here is that the people with the highest incomes werent cut enough.
As far as the shrinking of our middle class goes, I dont have any statistical data. Just my observations. Now, we tend to compare a lot between our socialist era and the present times. Now, if I go back to the 1960s... My grandparents, my grandfather a construction worker, my grandmother a factory worker. Yet they built a house, a holiday home, owned a car and raised a family. Nowadays, that would be a utopia. Just buying a piece of land would cost me an arm and a leg. And there are loads of stories like that, thousands of them, all accros the former state. All goes to transition and privatisation. What once belonged to all of us, now belongs to few to do as they will with it.
Now, the last 18 months (and last 6 months specialy) have certainly been a punch... But it all goes in the same direction as it did for the past 20 odd years. Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one.
Head banger wrote:
The law could say something, but often does not, and in any event if the company did the right thing and fired Mr. Asshole, the union grievance would be a separate issue to the criminal one.Your right, all that should be with the courts, not the unions, but right now both issues happen, which, is a huge waste of time.I think that the guy who shoots someone will have bigger things to worry about than the union, but I think if it came down to it; the law requires them to defend him.It is a sad situation.
The principle is fine, except you can’t spread principle on your toast in the morning.The white collar workers already got a pay cut, except 20%, who well they did get a pay cut, totally.But to be fair, some blue collars also got the axe earlier; they had to close some plants.Whose fault is the current situation?The blame spreads like ripples in a pond after a rock was tossed in.Senior management approved car designs that were not what was needed.Unions fought against flexibility on assembly lines, arguing that it was harder for the workers to have to build different types of cars on different days.True, but it would have saved a lot for the company.It might have meant some plant closures, which is probably the real issue for the union, but would have aligned production to market demand.The unions also fought against more automation, as it costs them jobs, but it would increase quality.Quality and design are the two things that are hurting Chrysler more than any other automaker.Both have faults within and outside the company.Then the current financial crisis hit.Neither entity caused it, although both had their role to play in it, small though it may be.
I agree with you about socializing the debts, it should not be.You can’t have it both ways; either you’re a socialist endeavor, or a capitalist endeavor.If you’re a capitalist you succeed, evolve or become extinct.But, it seems cold hearted to put a quarter million people out of work, sometimes because of nothing they controlled.Guess that’s why corporate as well as individual welfare exists in capitalist societies.Remember though, most of these companies are controlled by shareholders, most of whom are people like us, small time holders, mostly in a pension plan or fund. Sure some shareholders are bigger, and Chrysler is privately held (by a publicly traded company) but most everyone here is a shareholder in a whole variety of companies.When one fails, it costs lots of people, in upper, middle and lower classes.
Typically I would say that white collar gets a pay cut before blue collar.I will not see a raise this year, the blue collar workers in our company will.I dunno how union negotiations will go (our company has separate agreements everywhere) this year, but those that are in place are not opened up, but the middle class (and the few upper class) white collars get zip for increase.
When you say the middle class is shrinking what time period are you looking at, and what measurements?If very recent, last say 18 months, I could agree, but I think that’s a blip.If you define middle class as being within say 20% of the average wage, how does that vary by year?
Damned if I know where to find the data, I am just going by my observations, which are quite limited.I need a researcher to help with this stuff.Perhaps there is a government grant?
No, no, no... You got it all wrong again! Didnt I teach you anything? If my brain would expand into his brain cells sovereign territory, that would be imperialist!
Ya, and all the time he can whistle "The answer my friend is blowing in the wind..."
_strat_ wrote:
So? He has a brain cell. I bet it works wonderfully with all that fresh air coming through his ears.
Head banger wrote:
come on strat, its not a fair fight. you have a brain.
to make it a fair fight, you need to stick a fork in one ear and pull it out the other.
_strat_ wrote:
Stalker Norm, Stalker Norm, stalking through the night,
Seeking victims with his little mind.
He never lets it go, until he`ll go to jail,
Stalker Norm, Stalker Norm... Dum, dum, dum...
Priestnut wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you wont be seeing Priest unless you find anopther JOHN here! Hey people on the board she got so drunk at the last concert she couldnt find her hotel a few miles away so she drove 3 hours for a new one!Then came to my house for a little play tim!!!!!!!!! The rest is all playtime!
spapad wrote:
MG~, Have you heard of any more Southern dates?
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
April 25th the Tampa Florida tixs go on sale @ 10am eastern time..... Ticketmaster.com....
For everyone in the south going to the FL. Show... good luck!!
come on strat, its not a fair fight. you have a brain.
to make it a fair fight, you need to stick a fork in one ear and pull it out the other.
_strat_ wrote:
Stalker Norm, Stalker Norm, stalking through the night,
Seeking victims with his little mind.
He never lets it go, until he`ll go to jail,
Stalker Norm, Stalker Norm... Dum, dum, dum...
Priestnut wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you wont be seeing Priest unless you find anopther JOHN here! Hey people on the board she got so drunk at the last concert she couldnt find her hotel a few miles away so she drove 3 hours for a new one!Then came to my house for a little play tim!!!!!!!!! The rest is all playtime!
spapad wrote:
MG~, Have you heard of any more Southern dates?
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
April 25th the Tampa Florida tixs go on sale @ 10am eastern time..... Ticketmaster.com....
For everyone in the south going to the FL. Show... good luck!!
Can I move in with you? I mean, I noticed that almost every time you talk about weather, youre saying its nice and sunny. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:13:56 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! Another day in the 90's here in Vegas! I hear that we will be back to the 70's over the weekend but I think summer is going to get an early start! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I hope you all have a wonderful day!
scorpion01 wrote:
GOOD MORNING! HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL. SPRING IS IN THE AIR HERE IN NEW YORK CITY. 60'S TODAY, SUMMER THIS WEEKEND 80'S. TOO HOT TOO SOON.
LITTLE LEAGUE GAMES BEGIN, SO GOOD TIMES WITH THE KIDS.
No. I see a bit of steely, brassy and coppery. No irony.
I dont have a crystal ball, but it doesnt take one. Good companies were or are about to be sold abroad to foreign corporations that dont give a shit about our interests. No wonder then - as soon as Germany hit the reccesion, we did too. We just dont have any control over our economy anymore. It leads to a disaster, imo.
Well, that said... Im off home. See you around later.
Head banger wrote:
you do see the irony in that right.
my crystal ball is broken, but my giess would be that people there will enjoy a benefit, but it takes time.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be more accurate to say that they benefited more. That is in our version os socialism, anyway (self managing, decentralised, as oposed to complete state control in the Soviet model). The party members had privileges, that is true. Of course, how many depended on ones position in the hierarchy. A local party official wouldnt be much different than an average worker in material terms. The big shots were rich, drove expensive imported cars (in times when customs on imported cars were around 100%), but when all is said and done, the rich guys of socialism cannot compare even remotely to the transition tycoons. Mainly because they were limited. They were limited by the law (the companies were in common ownership - they just ran them, they couldnt sell them to foreigners, like its been happening ever since 91), and they had to take into consideration such things as workers councils, which meant that they couldnt cut the wages and benefits like modern businessmen do.
Now, on the question should that be so in socialism... I think not. But it was, and interestingly enough, capitalism has proven itself even worse, as far as upper class privileges are concerned.
Maybe the full effect wont be seen for years, that is true. But like as not, that effect will turn out to be a disaster, not a blessing.
Head banger wrote:
you do realize of course that your in a time of significant economic change. the full effect of that change for your country will not be seen for years. but interestingly you said
"Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one."
so, socialism is run for first the benefit of the members of the party?
or they at least benefit more. and they dont do the labour. sort of like a factory owner, no?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, so we agree at least on the first part. Thats something, I guess. Basicaly, a crime is a crime, no matter where, and there are courts to handle it.
Now, blame... For better or for worse, the power over the economy is concentrated in the hands of a minority - which are the business onwers (or whoever they appoint to run the business for them) and the politicians of the most economicaly developed countries. The average worker doesnt have any power. The average worker (lets say he is a construction worker) laid bricks 20 years ago in socialism, 10 years ago in the transition and he does it now in capitalism. In your country it is even more monotonous, he laid it in capitalism all the time, with only an occasional shakeup in the economy. The point is, that we (as in the average people doing average jobs) are working and doing things pretty much the same in most any circumstance. We havent changed the way we work, and we havent changed the way our actions affect the economy as a whole. Now, the big guys, the CEOs, the politicians, the large owners of big businesses, they did. In our case, they made the transition from socialism to capitalism, privatised most of the economy, and outright stole most of it through means that are only now being revealed. On your end, I dont know what happened. Something had to, and I bet it wasnt from the bottom, but from the top.
Now, I may have gone on a bit with it, but I think I made my point... Why I think that white collars are to blame.
Now, the socialisation of debts... Yes, it shouldnt be. There shouldnt be any debts in the first place, but there are and we have to deal with them. The thing is that by doing that, those that are socialising the debt are diggin their own graves. They are putting the load on the shoulders of people that are least able to handle it, and sooner or later that will crack. Ok, not a revolution I guess (tho that would be for the best), but... Strikes, public pressure, government will have to do this and that... Civil disobidience, maybe... In any case, it wont go, simply because it cannot. And if those people that are now laying off workers, or cutting their wages, or trying to increase the minimum retirement age think that they will achieve their goal with that, they are dead wrong. Even the welfare wont be enough now. For welfare to function, there must be enough people with enough income to sustain those that cannot get to an income on their own.
Now, as for who gets a wage cut sooner... I dont know about you personaly, so I wont say anything about that. But, if you take 20% from someone who earns between 3000 and 5000 € per month, they will still have more than enough to make it through the month. If you take 20% from someone who earns between 300 and 500€ (which isnt enough as it is)... Well, do I have to go on? Perhaps the issue here is that the people with the highest incomes werent cut enough.
As far as the shrinking of our middle class goes, I dont have any statistical data. Just my observations. Now, we tend to compare a lot between our socialist era and the present times. Now, if I go back to the 1960s... My grandparents, my grandfather a construction worker, my grandmother a factory worker. Yet they built a house, a holiday home, owned a car and raised a family. Nowadays, that would be a utopia. Just buying a piece of land would cost me an arm and a leg. And there are loads of stories like that, thousands of them, all accros the former state. All goes to transition and privatisation. What once belonged to all of us, now belongs to few to do as they will with it.
Now, the last 18 months (and last 6 months specialy) have certainly been a punch... But it all goes in the same direction as it did for the past 20 odd years. Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one.
Head banger wrote:
The law could say something, but often does not, and in any event if the company did the right thing and fired Mr. Asshole, the union grievance would be a separate issue to the criminal one.Your right, all that should be with the courts, not the unions, but right now both issues happen, which, is a huge waste of time.I think that the guy who shoots someone will have bigger things to worry about than the union, but I think if it came down to it; the law requires them to defend him.It is a sad situation.
The principle is fine, except you can’t spread principle on your toast in the morning.The white collar workers already got a pay cut, except 20%, who well they did get a pay cut, totally.But to be fair, some blue collars also got the axe earlier; they had to close some plants.Whose fault is the current situation?The blame spreads like ripples in a pond after a rock was tossed in.Senior management approved car designs that were not what was needed.Unions fought against flexibility on assembly lines, arguing that it was harder for the workers to have to build different types of cars on different days.True, but it would have saved a lot for the company.It might have meant some plant closures, which is probably the real issue for the union, but would have aligned production to market demand.The unions also fought against more automation, as it costs them jobs, but it would increase quality.Quality and design are the two things that are hurting Chrysler more than any other automaker.Both have faults within and outside the company.Then the current financial crisis hit.Neither entity caused it, although both had their role to play in it, small though it may be.
I agree with you about socializing the debts, it should not be.You can’t have it both ways; either you’re a socialist endeavor, or a capitalist endeavor.If you’re a capitalist you succeed, evolve or become extinct.But, it seems cold hearted to put a quarter million people out of work, sometimes because of nothing they controlled.Guess that’s why corporate as well as individual welfare exists in capitalist societies.Remember though, most of these companies are controlled by shareholders, most of whom are people like us, small time holders, mostly in a pension plan or fund. Sure some shareholders are bigger, and Chrysler is privately held (by a publicly traded company) but most everyone here is a shareholder in a whole variety of companies.When one fails, it costs lots of people, in upper, middle and lower classes.
Typically I would say that white collar gets a pay cut before blue collar.I will not see a raise this year, the blue collar workers in our company will.I dunno how union negotiations will go (our company has separate agreements everywhere) this year, but those that are in place are not opened up, but the middle class (and the few upper class) white collars get zip for increase.
When you say the middle class is shrinking what time period are you looking at, and what measurements?If very recent, last say 18 months, I could agree, but I think that’s a blip.If you define middle class as being within say 20% of the average wage, how does that vary by year?
Damned if I know where to find the data, I am just going by my observations, which are quite limited.I need a researcher to help with this stuff.Perhaps there is a government grant?
No. I see a bit of steely, brassy and coppery. No irony.
I dont have a crystal ball, but it doesnt take one. Good companies were or are about to be sold abroad to foreign corporations that dont give a shit about our interests. No wonder then - as soon as Germany hit the reccesion, we did too. We just dont have any control over our economy anymore. It leads to a disaster, imo.
Well, that said... Im off home. See you around later. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 23, 2009 7:18:53 AM)
Head banger wrote:
you do see the irony in that right.
my crystal ball is broken, but my giess would be that people there will enjoy a benefit, but it takes time.
_strat_ wrote:
It would be more accurate to say that they benefited more. That is in our version os socialism, anyway (self managing, decentralised, as oposed to complete state control in the Soviet model). The party members had privileges, that is true. Of course, how many depended on ones position in the hierarchy. A local party official wouldnt be much different than an average worker in material terms. The big shots were rich, drove expensive imported cars (in times when customs on imported cars were around 100%), but when all is said and done, the rich guys of socialism cannot compare even remotely to the transition tycoons. Mainly because they were limited. They were limited by the law (the companies were in common ownership - they just ran them, they couldnt sell them to foreigners, like its been happening ever since 91), and they had to take into consideration such things as workers councils, which meant that they couldnt cut the wages and benefits like modern businessmen do.
Now, on the question should that be so in socialism... I think not. But it was, and interestingly enough, capitalism has proven itself even worse, as far as upper class privileges are concerned.
Maybe the full effect wont be seen for years, that is true. But like as not, that effect will turn out to be a disaster, not a blessing.
Head banger wrote:
you do realize of course that your in a time of significant economic change. the full effect of that change for your country will not be seen for years. but interestingly you said
"Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one."
so, socialism is run for first the benefit of the members of the party?
or they at least benefit more. and they dont do the labour. sort of like a factory owner, no?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, so we agree at least on the first part. Thats something, I guess. Basicaly, a crime is a crime, no matter where, and there are courts to handle it.
Now, blame... For better or for worse, the power over the economy is concentrated in the hands of a minority - which are the business onwers (or whoever they appoint to run the business for them) and the politicians of the most economicaly developed countries. The average worker doesnt have any power. The average worker (lets say he is a construction worker) laid bricks 20 years ago in socialism, 10 years ago in the transition and he does it now in capitalism. In your country it is even more monotonous, he laid it in capitalism all the time, with only an occasional shakeup in the economy. The point is, that we (as in the average people doing average jobs) are working and doing things pretty much the same in most any circumstance. We havent changed the way we work, and we havent changed the way our actions affect the economy as a whole. Now, the big guys, the CEOs, the politicians, the large owners of big businesses, they did. In our case, they made the transition from socialism to capitalism, privatised most of the economy, and outright stole most of it through means that are only now being revealed. On your end, I dont know what happened. Something had to, and I bet it wasnt from the bottom, but from the top.
Now, I may have gone on a bit with it, but I think I made my point... Why I think that white collars are to blame.
Now, the socialisation of debts... Yes, it shouldnt be. There shouldnt be any debts in the first place, but there are and we have to deal with them. The thing is that by doing that, those that are socialising the debt are diggin their own graves. They are putting the load on the shoulders of people that are least able to handle it, and sooner or later that will crack. Ok, not a revolution I guess (tho that would be for the best), but... Strikes, public pressure, government will have to do this and that... Civil disobidience, maybe... In any case, it wont go, simply because it cannot. And if those people that are now laying off workers, or cutting their wages, or trying to increase the minimum retirement age think that they will achieve their goal with that, they are dead wrong. Even the welfare wont be enough now. For welfare to function, there must be enough people with enough income to sustain those that cannot get to an income on their own.
Now, as for who gets a wage cut sooner... I dont know about you personaly, so I wont say anything about that. But, if you take 20% from someone who earns between 3000 and 5000 € per month, they will still have more than enough to make it through the month. If you take 20% from someone who earns between 300 and 500€ (which isnt enough as it is)... Well, do I have to go on? Perhaps the issue here is that the people with the highest incomes werent cut enough.
As far as the shrinking of our middle class goes, I dont have any statistical data. Just my observations. Now, we tend to compare a lot between our socialist era and the present times. Now, if I go back to the 1960s... My grandparents, my grandfather a construction worker, my grandmother a factory worker. Yet they built a house, a holiday home, owned a car and raised a family. Nowadays, that would be a utopia. Just buying a piece of land would cost me an arm and a leg. And there are loads of stories like that, thousands of them, all accros the former state. All goes to transition and privatisation. What once belonged to all of us, now belongs to few to do as they will with it.
Now, the last 18 months (and last 6 months specialy) have certainly been a punch... But it all goes in the same direction as it did for the past 20 odd years. Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one.
Head banger wrote:
The law could say something, but often does not, and in any event if the company did the right thing and fired Mr. Asshole, the union grievance would be a separate issue to the criminal one.Your right, all that should be with the courts, not the unions, but right now both issues happen, which, is a huge waste of time.I think that the guy who shoots someone will have bigger things to worry about than the union, but I think if it came down to it; the law requires them to defend him.It is a sad situation.
The principle is fine, except you can’t spread principle on your toast in the morning.The white collar workers already got a pay cut, except 20%, who well they did get a pay cut, totally.But to be fair, some blue collars also got the axe earlier; they had to close some plants.Whose fault is the current situation?The blame spreads like ripples in a pond after a rock was tossed in.Senior management approved car designs that were not what was needed.Unions fought against flexibility on assembly lines, arguing that it was harder for the workers to have to build different types of cars on different days.True, but it would have saved a lot for the company.It might have meant some plant closures, which is probably the real issue for the union, but would have aligned production to market demand.The unions also fought against more automation, as it costs them jobs, but it would increase quality.Quality and design are the two things that are hurting Chrysler more than any other automaker.Both have faults within and outside the company.Then the current financial crisis hit.Neither entity caused it, although both had their role to play in it, small though it may be.
I agree with you about socializing the debts, it should not be.You can’t have it both ways; either you’re a socialist endeavor, or a capitalist endeavor.If you’re a capitalist you succeed, evolve or become extinct.But, it seems cold hearted to put a quarter million people out of work, sometimes because of nothing they controlled.Guess that’s why corporate as well as individual welfare exists in capitalist societies.Remember though, most of these companies are controlled by shareholders, most of whom are people like us, small time holders, mostly in a pension plan or fund. Sure some shareholders are bigger, and Chrysler is privately held (by a publicly traded company) but most everyone here is a shareholder in a whole variety of companies.When one fails, it costs lots of people, in upper, middle and lower classes.
Typically I would say that white collar gets a pay cut before blue collar.I will not see a raise this year, the blue collar workers in our company will.I dunno how union negotiations will go (our company has separate agreements everywhere) this year, but those that are in place are not opened up, but the middle class (and the few upper class) white collars get zip for increase.
When you say the middle class is shrinking what time period are you looking at, and what measurements?If very recent, last say 18 months, I could agree, but I think that’s a blip.If you define middle class as being within say 20% of the average wage, how does that vary by year?
Damned if I know where to find the data, I am just going by my observations, which are quite limited.I need a researcher to help with this stuff.Perhaps there is a government grant?
It would be more accurate to say that they benefited more. That is in our version os socialism, anyway (self managing, decentralised, as oposed to complete state control in the Soviet model). The party members had privileges, that is true. Of course, how many depended on ones position in the hierarchy. A local party official wouldnt be much different than an average worker in material terms. The big shots were rich, drove expensive imported cars (in times when customs on imported cars were around 100%), but when all is said and done, the rich guys of socialism cannot compare even remotely to the transition tycoons. Mainly because they were limited. They were limited by the law (the companies were in common ownership - they just ran them, they couldnt sell them to foreigners, like its been happening ever since 91), and they had to take into consideration such things as workers councils, which meant that they couldnt cut the wages and benefits like modern businessmen do.
Now, on the question should that be so in socialism... I think not. But it was, and interestingly enough, capitalism has proven itself even worse, as far as upper class privileges are concerned.
Maybe the full effect wont be seen for years, that is true. But like as not, that effect will turn out to be a disaster, not a blessing. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 10:47:40 PM)
Head banger wrote:
you do realize of course that your in a time of significant economic change. the full effect of that change for your country will not be seen for years. but interestingly you said
"Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one."
so, socialism is run for first the benefit of the members of the party?
or they at least benefit more. and they dont do the labour. sort of like a factory owner, no?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, so we agree at least on the first part. Thats something, I guess. Basicaly, a crime is a crime, no matter where, and there are courts to handle it.
Now, blame... For better or for worse, the power over the economy is concentrated in the hands of a minority - which are the business onwers (or whoever they appoint to run the business for them) and the politicians of the most economicaly developed countries. The average worker doesnt have any power. The average worker (lets say he is a construction worker) laid bricks 20 years ago in socialism, 10 years ago in the transition and he does it now in capitalism. In your country it is even more monotonous, he laid it in capitalism all the time, with only an occasional shakeup in the economy. The point is, that we (as in the average people doing average jobs) are working and doing things pretty much the same in most any circumstance. We havent changed the way we work, and we havent changed the way our actions affect the economy as a whole. Now, the big guys, the CEOs, the politicians, the large owners of big businesses, they did. In our case, they made the transition from socialism to capitalism, privatised most of the economy, and outright stole most of it through means that are only now being revealed. On your end, I dont know what happened. Something had to, and I bet it wasnt from the bottom, but from the top.
Now, I may have gone on a bit with it, but I think I made my point... Why I think that white collars are to blame.
Now, the socialisation of debts... Yes, it shouldnt be. There shouldnt be any debts in the first place, but there are and we have to deal with them. The thing is that by doing that, those that are socialising the debt are diggin their own graves. They are putting the load on the shoulders of people that are least able to handle it, and sooner or later that will crack. Ok, not a revolution I guess (tho that would be for the best), but... Strikes, public pressure, government will have to do this and that... Civil disobidience, maybe... In any case, it wont go, simply because it cannot. And if those people that are now laying off workers, or cutting their wages, or trying to increase the minimum retirement age think that they will achieve their goal with that, they are dead wrong. Even the welfare wont be enough now. For welfare to function, there must be enough people with enough income to sustain those that cannot get to an income on their own.
Now, as for who gets a wage cut sooner... I dont know about you personaly, so I wont say anything about that. But, if you take 20% from someone who earns between 3000 and 5000 € per month, they will still have more than enough to make it through the month. If you take 20% from someone who earns between 300 and 500€ (which isnt enough as it is)... Well, do I have to go on? Perhaps the issue here is that the people with the highest incomes werent cut enough.
As far as the shrinking of our middle class goes, I dont have any statistical data. Just my observations. Now, we tend to compare a lot between our socialist era and the present times. Now, if I go back to the 1960s... My grandparents, my grandfather a construction worker, my grandmother a factory worker. Yet they built a house, a holiday home, owned a car and raised a family. Nowadays, that would be a utopia. Just buying a piece of land would cost me an arm and a leg. And there are loads of stories like that, thousands of them, all accros the former state. All goes to transition and privatisation. What once belonged to all of us, now belongs to few to do as they will with it.
Now, the last 18 months (and last 6 months specialy) have certainly been a punch... But it all goes in the same direction as it did for the past 20 odd years. Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one.
Head banger wrote:
The law could say something, but often does not, and in any event if the company did the right thing and fired Mr. Asshole, the union grievance would be a separate issue to the criminal one.Your right, all that should be with the courts, not the unions, but right now both issues happen, which, is a huge waste of time.I think that the guy who shoots someone will have bigger things to worry about than the union, but I think if it came down to it; the law requires them to defend him.It is a sad situation.
The principle is fine, except you can’t spread principle on your toast in the morning.The white collar workers already got a pay cut, except 20%, who well they did get a pay cut, totally.But to be fair, some blue collars also got the axe earlier; they had to close some plants.Whose fault is the current situation?The blame spreads like ripples in a pond after a rock was tossed in.Senior management approved car designs that were not what was needed.Unions fought against flexibility on assembly lines, arguing that it was harder for the workers to have to build different types of cars on different days.True, but it would have saved a lot for the company.It might have meant some plant closures, which is probably the real issue for the union, but would have aligned production to market demand.The unions also fought against more automation, as it costs them jobs, but it would increase quality.Quality and design are the two things that are hurting Chrysler more than any other automaker.Both have faults within and outside the company.Then the current financial crisis hit.Neither entity caused it, although both had their role to play in it, small though it may be.
I agree with you about socializing the debts, it should not be.You can’t have it both ways; either you’re a socialist endeavor, or a capitalist endeavor.If you’re a capitalist you succeed, evolve or become extinct.But, it seems cold hearted to put a quarter million people out of work, sometimes because of nothing they controlled.Guess that’s why corporate as well as individual welfare exists in capitalist societies.Remember though, most of these companies are controlled by shareholders, most of whom are people like us, small time holders, mostly in a pension plan or fund. Sure some shareholders are bigger, and Chrysler is privately held (by a publicly traded company) but most everyone here is a shareholder in a whole variety of companies.When one fails, it costs lots of people, in upper, middle and lower classes.
Typically I would say that white collar gets a pay cut before blue collar.I will not see a raise this year, the blue collar workers in our company will.I dunno how union negotiations will go (our company has separate agreements everywhere) this year, but those that are in place are not opened up, but the middle class (and the few upper class) white collars get zip for increase.
When you say the middle class is shrinking what time period are you looking at, and what measurements?If very recent, last say 18 months, I could agree, but I think that’s a blip.If you define middle class as being within say 20% of the average wage, how does that vary by year?
Damned if I know where to find the data, I am just going by my observations, which are quite limited.I need a researcher to help with this stuff.Perhaps there is a government grant?
So, youre not going to spend the day driving around and producing exhaust fumes? Well, thats something, I guess. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:49:52 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Best of luck with that, Scorp!!!! I hope you get some good ones!
Another beautiful day here! "Earth" Day notwithstanding. Hope everone has a great one!! I am going to enjoy the heat and watch some ballgames!!!! WOO HOO!!!!!
scorpion01 wrote:
GOOD MORNING EVERYONE! I AM ANXIOUSLY AWAITING AN ANNOUNCEMENT FOR TICKETS TO GO ON SALE FOR THE JONES BEACH SHOW ON JULY 12TH. NEED TO HAVE GOOD SEATS FOR THIS ONE. I NEED MY LIVE PRIEST FIX!
Ok, so we agree at least on the first part. Thats something, I guess. Basicaly, a crime is a crime, no matter where, and there are courts to handle it.
Now, blame... For better or for worse, the power over the economy is concentrated in the hands of a minority - which are the business onwers (or whoever they appoint to run the business for them) and the politicians of the most economicaly developed countries. The average worker doesnt have any power. The average worker (lets say he is a construction worker) laid bricks 20 years ago in socialism, 10 years ago in the transition and he does it now in capitalism. In your country it is even more monotonous, he laid it in capitalism all the time, with only an occasional shakeup in the economy. The point is, that we (as in the average people doing average jobs) are working and doing things pretty much the same in most any circumstance. We havent changed the way we work, and we havent changed the way our actions affect the economy as a whole. Now, the big guys, the CEOs, the politicians, the large owners of big businesses, they did. In our case, they made the transition from socialism to capitalism, privatised most of the economy, and outright stole most of it through means that are only now being revealed. On your end, I dont know what happened. Something had to, and I bet it wasnt from the bottom, but from the top.
Now, I may have gone on a bit with it, but I think I made my point... Why I think that white collars are to blame.
Now, the socialisation of debts... Yes, it shouldnt be. There shouldnt be any debts in the first place, but there are and we have to deal with them. The thing is that by doing that, those that are socialising the debt are diggin their own graves. They are putting the load on the shoulders of people that are least able to handle it, and sooner or later that will crack. Ok, not a revolution I guess (tho that would be for the best), but... Strikes, public pressure, government will have to do this and that... Civil disobidience, maybe... In any case, it wont go, simply because it cannot. And if those people that are now laying off workers, or cutting their wages, or trying to increase the minimum retirement age think that they will achieve their goal with that, they are dead wrong. Even the welfare wont be enough now. For welfare to function, there must be enough people with enough income to sustain those that cannot get to an income on their own.
Now, as for who gets a wage cut sooner... I dont know about you personaly, so I wont say anything about that. But, if you take 20% from someone who earns between 3000 and 5000 € per month, they will still have more than enough to make it through the month. If you take 20% from someone who earns between 300 and 500€ (which isnt enough as it is)... Well, do I have to go on? Perhaps the issue here is that the people with the highest incomes werent cut enough.
As far as the shrinking of our middle class goes, I dont have any statistical data. Just my observations. Now, we tend to compare a lot between our socialist era and the present times. Now, if I go back to the 1960s... My grandparents, my grandfather a construction worker, my grandmother a factory worker. Yet they built a house, a holiday home, owned a car and raised a family. Nowadays, that would be a utopia. Just buying a piece of land would cost me an arm and a leg. And there are loads of stories like that, thousands of them, all accros the former state. All goes to transition and privatisation. What once belonged to all of us, now belongs to few to do as they will with it.
Now, the last 18 months (and last 6 months specialy) have certainly been a punch... But it all goes in the same direction as it did for the past 20 odd years. Before there was practicaly only the middle class, with a handfull of rich people in the Party, and a small, at times virtualy non-existent lower class. Now the middle class is melting into the lower one.
The law could say something, but often does not, and in any event if the company did the right thing and fired Mr. Asshole, the union grievance would be a separate issue to the criminal one.Your right, all that should be with the courts, not the unions, but right now both issues happen, which, is a huge waste of time.I think that the guy who shoots someone will have bigger things to worry about than the union, but I think if it came down to it; the law requires them to defend him.It is a sad situation.
The principle is fine, except you can’t spread principle on your toast in the morning.The white collar workers already got a pay cut, except 20%, who well they did get a pay cut, totally.But to be fair, some blue collars also got the axe earlier; they had to close some plants.Whose fault is the current situation?The blame spreads like ripples in a pond after a rock was tossed in.Senior management approved car designs that were not what was needed.Unions fought against flexibility on assembly lines, arguing that it was harder for the workers to have to build different types of cars on different days.True, but it would have saved a lot for the company.It might have meant some plant closures, which is probably the real issue for the union, but would have aligned production to market demand.The unions also fought against more automation, as it costs them jobs, but it would increase quality.Quality and design are the two things that are hurting Chrysler more than any other automaker.Both have faults within and outside the company.Then the current financial crisis hit.Neither entity caused it, although both had their role to play in it, small though it may be.
I agree with you about socializing the debts, it should not be.You can’t have it both ways; either you’re a socialist endeavor, or a capitalist endeavor.If you’re a capitalist you succeed, evolve or become extinct.But, it seems cold hearted to put a quarter million people out of work, sometimes because of nothing they controlled.Guess that’s why corporate as well as individual welfare exists in capitalist societies.Remember though, most of these companies are controlled by shareholders, most of whom are people like us, small time holders, mostly in a pension plan or fund. Sure some shareholders are bigger, and Chrysler is privately held (by a publicly traded company) but most everyone here is a shareholder in a whole variety of companies.When one fails, it costs lots of people, in upper, middle and lower classes.
Typically I would say that white collar gets a pay cut before blue collar.I will not see a raise this year, the blue collar workers in our company will.I dunno how union negotiations will go (our company has separate agreements everywhere) this year, but those that are in place are not opened up, but the middle class (and the few upper class) white collars get zip for increase.
When you say the middle class is shrinking what time period are you looking at, and what measurements?If very recent, last say 18 months, I could agree, but I think that’s a blip.If you define middle class as being within say 20% of the average wage, how does that vary by year?
Damned if I know where to find the data, I am just going by my observations, which are quite limited.I need a researcher to help with this stuff.Perhaps there is a government grant?
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you wont be seeing Priest unless you find anopther JOHN here! Hey people on the board she got so drunk at the last concert she couldnt find her hotel a few miles away so she drove 3 hours for a new one!Then came to my house for a little play tim!!!!!!!!! The rest is all playtime!
spapad wrote:
MG~, Have you heard of any more Southern dates?
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
April 25th the Tampa Florida tixs go on sale @ 10am eastern time..... Ticketmaster.com....
For everyone in the south going to the FL. Show... good luck!!
Well, yes, of course. Dont get me wrong, I enjoyed Maiden, and I would go again, even for the same price. It just isnt a way to treat fans, imo. I dont think you get the same attitude there, at least I hope not. A lot of bands, when they come here, they usualy go along these lines: "Well, lets just play a couple of songs to these easterners, who cares about them anyway." Thats why we get shows (if we even get them in the first place) that rarely last more than an hour and a half, with the band looking downright bored, like theyre doing it just so they can move on to the next, more important show. Now, I guess we have to understand them - they play a lot of shows in a lot of places, but still... If anyone thinks that we will be prepared to pay money to get looked down on, they are terribly wrong. I know that it isnt an investment - I dont go to shows to have any financial benefits from it.
I hope Priest are different. I dont know if they are, but lets just hope. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 9:41:44 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well said, Ellieke! Well said, indeed.
Strat, so long as you make it a formula you will not be happy my friend. Breaking it down to a price per hour is not going to work out as a financially sound investment for your dollar (pound, lira, ruble, whatever.) This is entertainment, not a service. Sort of like gambling. I understand your point but you have to look at it as art. You pay a price for a piece. If they play longer, great. If they play shorter, so be it. You pay for the moment. That will never be a good "investment", especially when money is tight.
I look at it as a memory that I cannot put into a value. It remains with me forever..like the '79 show I mentioned. I may have paid twenty bucks for my ticket back then and it was a lot for me as a college student but I did it anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Just dont make me say that Reagan was a good president, ok?
In any case, yeah, I hope so too. I hope they reschedule the show in Zagreb... But even then, if its during the work week, and costs more than 50 or 60€, then there is no way Im going. Fan or no fan, I remember Maiden - 55€ for an hour and a half. Robbery, if you ask me. And they were here - if I am going to drive for 2 hours in one direction, Priest better make a good show.
Deep Freeze wrote:
AAARRRRGGGHHH!! NOOOOO!!!!!!! I take it ALL back!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!! You know strat, I really do hope you get the opportunity to see them once. In all the times that I have seen them, I will NEVER forget the 1979 show. Never. I don't think I have ever heard a voice like that before or since! Incredible.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree (oh, the TORTURE!!! lmao). If they had average jobs, they would be retiring by now. Well, maybe not Travis, but all the rest would.
I would like to see them live at least once, tho. I guess I would be the last generation. But... The CDs and the DVDs are immortal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories.
Lol... Just dont make me say that Reagan was a good president, ok?
In any case, yeah, I hope so too. I hope they reschedule the show in Zagreb... But even then, if its during the work week, and costs more than 50 or 60€, then there is no way Im going. Fan or no fan, I remember Maiden - 55€ for an hour and a half. Robbery, if you ask me. And they were here - if I am going to drive for 2 hours in one direction, Priest better make a good show. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 8:52:19 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
AAARRRRGGGHHH!! NOOOOO!!!!!!! I take it ALL back!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!! You know strat, I really do hope you get the opportunity to see them once. In all the times that I have seen them, I will NEVER forget the 1979 show. Never. I don't think I have ever heard a voice like that before or since! Incredible.
_strat_ wrote:
I agree (oh, the TORTURE!!! lmao). If they had average jobs, they would be retiring by now. Well, maybe not Travis, but all the rest would.
I would like to see them live at least once, tho. I guess I would be the last generation. But... The CDs and the DVDs are immortal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories.
I guess I will finally comment. Not so much about the bickering, as I have long ago taken my fill of that nonsense but of Priest and Nostradamus and their possible next album.
Nostradamus is OK by me. It is not a "masterpiece", for me. It is not a "disaster", for me. It is just OK. I can understand what the Band was trying to do. All fine by me. Someone a few posts down said something that makes the most sense to me...it was about Rob. Here's where I am going with this;
I have said to many of you (in private) that I sense Rob is losing his interest or just plain tiring. I hate to put it that way but I find that I cannot explain it another way. His vibe onstage during the Vegas show last year was one of weariness (Yes. I know it was the final show of that leg!). He made the comment during several shows last year, "..the Priest is back!...Again!" The way he punched the word "again" gave me pause. Has he reached the end? I cannot say. Certainly there are classic songs (Painkiller, Sinner) that really suffer now because he is unable to sing as he did thirty years ago. Please don't get me wrong! The music and the show are still awesome! But, Rob and the others are obviously not in their twenties anymore and it shows. Moreso with Rob's voice in the more challenging pieces.
There will never be a Painkiller II. There cannot be. There is no way Rob can do those kinds of songs. Moreover, it is becoming clearer to me that he may have reached the point where he is physically unable to do this. I am (nearly) fifty and I know I could not tour, regardless of my health issues. The guys are ,what?..sixty-something? People! Come on! The physical demands of touring as one passes sixty and heads towards seventy are remarkable!
I would hate to say good-bye to the guys on a professional level. I love them and their music. I am also a realist. Nothing lasts forever. If they do have another album in them, I am ready to hear it. If it is a follow-up to Nostradamus, so be it. I will listen. If they return to a more "classic" sound, I will listen. If (and we ALL know someday they WILL) they decide to say good-bye, I will always have what they left us. GREAT music and a lifetime of wonderful memories.
Yup. "Ancient forest of Elves" is a masterpiece. Very melodic, a lot of great guitar licks... Just the way I like it.
Manowar & Rhapsody, eh? Well, I guess I can hope invain that they stop anywhere close... But since they probably wont, I will jsut content myself with CDs... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 5:04:38 AM)
Necroticist wrote:
Strange comparison...anyway - Luca Turilli solo is bloody amazing too, either under own name or with DreamQuest...last i heard they were touring with Manowar (Rhapsody i mean)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, most metal bands have some Priest in them. I mentioned Rhapsody because they orchestrate their songs a lot, and have medieval - heroic fantasy themes... Nostradamus just reminds me of them.
Necroticist wrote:
OMG! u hit my heart strings....power metal sings to me....stratovarius, rhapsody etc....but is obvious in most they have a JP influence
_strat_ wrote:
Do we? I just type whatever the voices tell me.
But yeah... Im a power metal fan, as is well known, and Nostradamus to me is a step into the direction of the bands like Rhapsody of Fire... Which is great, as far as Im concerned.
Necroticist wrote:
Good to hear mate - shows we all have our own opinions.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I will be the devils advocate here, I guess... I hope that the next Priest album will be something very close to Nostradamus.
I love Nostradamus, great sound, great theme, great songs... Ok, too many interludes, but that aside, I think it eats AOR:
Well, most metal bands have some Priest in them. I mentioned Rhapsody because they orchestrate their songs a lot, and have medieval - heroic fantasy themes... Nostradamus just reminds me of them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:48:53 AM)
Necroticist wrote:
OMG! u hit my heart strings....power metal sings to me....stratovarius, rhapsody etc....but is obvious in most they have a JP influence
_strat_ wrote:
Do we? I just type whatever the voices tell me.
But yeah... Im a power metal fan, as is well known, and Nostradamus to me is a step into the direction of the bands like Rhapsody of Fire... Which is great, as far as Im concerned.
Necroticist wrote:
Good to hear mate - shows we all have our own opinions.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I will be the devils advocate here, I guess... I hope that the next Priest album will be something very close to Nostradamus.
I love Nostradamus, great sound, great theme, great songs... Ok, too many interludes, but that aside, I think it eats AOR:
Wow!! Perhaps one of those things that tell you how to "identify" a witch? All that stuff with warts and moles? Damit... Those were some sick times...
Maybe its the one that inspired Iommi to write "Black Sabbath". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:43:45 AM)
Necroticist wrote:
er..16th century treatise on witchcraft....very old and as far as i know the only surviving copy...
But yeah... Im a power metal fan, as is well known, and Nostradamus to me is a step into the direction of the bands like Rhapsody of Fire... Which is great, as far as Im concerned. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:41:10 AM)
Necroticist wrote:
Good to hear mate - shows we all have our own opinions.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I will be the devils advocate here, I guess... I hope that the next Priest album will be something very close to Nostradamus.
I love Nostradamus, great sound, great theme, great songs... Ok, too many interludes, but that aside, I think it eats AOR:
Breakfast? At this time? I will be off for lunch in an hour. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Wednesday, April 22, 2009 4:28:05 AM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Good morning. Anyone in?
Need breakfast.
Feed me, I'm hungry!!
Well, the boob argument... Doesnt the law have something to say about it? I mean, that example you gave, is an example of sexual abuse. Does the union have the right to defend that? Worse, does the union have the right to defend a worker that came to work with a gun and shot a couple of his co-workers?
Not to mention one thing... If you commit a crime anywhere, and get busted, you still have a right to a lawyer, a right to a fair trial, protection from cruel and unusal punishment, ect... There is nothing inherently wrong with that - except that is the domain of the judicial system and the police, not unions.
Now, I guess one could raise a point that unions are to big. IDK about that. We dont really have companies that would be so big (by the number of employees) that size would be a serious problem. Besides, most unions are very small, and are only loosely connected into an all-Slovene union alliance. I guess you would have a much harder time maintaining such a system (size issues), but for us it works as well as it possibly can.
Now, wages... Of course its better to get something, but... In this case, it is a matter of principals. The worker behind the assembly line didnt start the crisis. The white collars did. Now, we had a long period of utopic economic growth, combined with an unprecedented assault on labour rights, and a realistic lowering of wages (althought they went up nominaly). In short, the white collars privatised the profits. Now, they wont to socialise the debts, by wage cuts, layoffs ect... If the US, Canadian, Slovenian, or any other government wants to interfere, it better go after the white collars first.
The middle class is disapearing. Maybe not at your end yet, over here its the everyday reality, and Im sure that if this shit goes on for much longer, it will reach you too.
Just to be different I will agree with you.Unions have to be changed.But, before we get to that, is their role to oppose wage cuts, or to work to get the best they can for the majority of the workers?Unions are a business, and to stay competitive they have to grow, become larger, gain relative strength in order to both attract new members, spend money on convincing new plants and companies (more so their workers) and such of the benefits of membership.But unions are also hamstrung in some ways by rules and laws that govern them.For instance they have a duty to represent any member who asks for their help.So, union member Johnny walks past Union member Suzie, and since they are alone, he grabs her boobs.Now, that’s wrong, she complains, he is fired.The union has to represent him, but in doing that they are opposing Suzie, and if somehow they win, then she has a case against not plant management, but the union.It happens.
With the wage case, is it better to get something or nothing?Chrysler is broke.The US and Canadian govts told them to get wages in line with Toyota and Honda, the US govt also said, find a buyer, or shut it down.Now, that could have been a bluff, since they gave them a bit more cash today, but if they couldn’t find a buyer, which Fiat was the only interested party anyone heard of they were going into chapter 7 bankruptcy, which is closing down and liquidating.In chapter 7, all the workers would lose their jobs, and not get severance, as I understand it.If someone bought the plants, they could negotiate a deal as they saw fit, or move the equipment.
Changes that would make a union more effective would be to make them smaller.Have a separate union at every plant for instance.After all shouldn’t workers at a more profitable plant, building more complex cars, in an area with a higher cost of living get paid more?This has its drawbacks though, the strike threat is reduced, and the companies wouldn’t like constantly negotiating new wage rates and contracts at hundreds of plants.That would also mean that each union would need an executive group, admin staff, negotiators, offices etc, which costs the workers more.No win situation.
Average...Your approaching this concept like it’s a zero sum.If we say that current incomes are averaged in some form of a bell curve, (it’s not a perfect bell curve, but it is some form of it) and say the average is 50,000.If you legislate that everyone earns the same, say the govt were to take in all the money, pool it and distribute it (which is too simplistic as you need a paycheck before year end to eat, but just say).The average income would be nowhere near 50,000.The more money is in circulation the more money there is to end up shared around.As more money is spent, by the rich first, as the poor spend all they have out of necessity…. The more money the poor have, the more job options there are, the more jobs pay.I don’t agree that the middle class is shrinking, it’s changing.For a while the middle class lived way beyond their means, and I think the current economic situation is a result of that, at least in part.Now the middle class is living (hopefully) within their means, they have less, but by less, they have a couple of PC’s, cable TV, a TV for every family member, a bedroom for each kid plus a spare.In the 50’s, that didn’t happen, nor the 60’s 70’s or early 80’s.
By limiting the number of people who are high earners, you limit the number of winners.Nothing will ever be fair; the human condition does not permit it.We are all (or almost all) selfish bastards at heart.
You must apply for the Guinnes book of world records... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Priestnut from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 12:02:20 PM)
Priestnut wrote:
Good man they have a click its there way or no way,she spapad or as i like to say SKANKPUD has no life and is a nosey BI....! And all her so called johns come and defend her not knowing what she is ,i know from human contact what she is,she thinks she can screw with everyone but she picked the wrong guy this time,never going away Susan!
EJC_74 wrote:
Well, I will ignore them. I already blocked the on here. & I wasn't trying to stir up any shit, just defending myself. I know you know that. I try REAL hard to not express my opinions too strongly, because I am extremely opinionated in the 1st place, & it has caused probs in the past for me; so..... :P I guess when you grew up a loner, & are outcast, it's hard to socialize & actually deal w/other people's opinions on any sort of a normal plane! So, that is why I often choose to keep to myself Better that, than to get into some BS argument w/people over some BS; which only usually serves to enrage me more!! I have good days & bad. :P I guess it all depends on how strongly I feel about a particular topic which I feel 'challenged' on opinion-wise. It is also the Metal-Head in me! We don't back down easily! :D But, us Metal-Heads, the cool ones need to stick together! Right? United We Stand! We can't let Metal be killed by all the typical losers & posers & the industry which has been trying to kill Metal since NERDvana came along!
K, *end of rant* :P LOL
__ERIC
_strat_ wrote:
Dont ignore them. Theyre both good members. Its just that we have a lot of problems with imposters and shitdisturbers on this site lately (look around the threads, and youll find out soon enough), and it I guess it makes us much more edgy about new members, even those that arent here to cause shit.
EJC_74 wrote:
Thanx Strat! :D I appreciate you sticking up for me! & I will just try as hard as it is to ignore people like those 2 in the future!
"METAL 'TILL DEATH!" \m/ \m/
__ERIC
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, FOR FUCKS SAKE...
A dude comes here with a reference to oral sex in his profile, and we have to go lynch him?!?!?! Seriously, if anything, EJC is right, that is as prude as it gets... We have whole threads for half naked women and sweaty rockstars (not that that is a problem either) for members to drool over, and this is a problem? No wonder he freaked out... I know I would.
EJC, Iam a communist. When you get acces to the main boards (which I hope you will, since you look like a serious member material) we can talk about that, but please, keep it out of this moronic conversation - even tho I admit it wasnt you who started it.
Well, I cant stop you. All I can say is that you will have a hard time on this site, if you choose to ignore the two - they are regulars, and we will side with them, if things get uglier. I was just pointing out that its stupid to go after people if they have "obscenities" in their profiles. If you go to a cyber war with them, the members wont side with you - myself included.
Now, look at the two posts below yours (the ones from Priestnut). They are from a stalker and an illiterate idiot thats been causing shit on this site for months, and keeps resurfacing with new accounts everytime the webmaster banns him. He is the number 1 reason why are we so tense about newcomers, and why we can jump at the slightest detail. Im sorry that it happened to you, but... It did, and theres no point arguing about that now, when we have a real asshole to deal with (again). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by EJC_74 from Tuesday, April 21, 2009 11:49:06 AM)
EJC_74 wrote:
Well, I will ignore them. I already blocked the on here. & I wasn't trying to stir up any shit, just defending myself. I know you know that. I try REAL hard to not express my opinions too strongly, because I am extremely opinionated in the 1st place, & it has caused probs in the past for me; so..... :P I guess when you grew up a loner, & are outcast, it's hard to socialize & actually deal w/other people's opinions on any sort of a normal plane! So, that is why I often choose to keep to myself Better that, than to get into some BS argument w/people over some BS; which only usually serves to enrage me more!! I have good days & bad. :P I guess it all depends on how strongly I feel about a particular topic which I feel 'challenged' on opinion-wise. It is also the Metal-Head in me! We don't back down easily! :D But, us Metal-Heads, the cool ones need to stick together! Right? United We Stand! We can't let Metal be killed by all the typical losers & posers & the industry which has been trying to kill Metal since NERDvana came along!
K, *end of rant* :P LOL
__ERIC
_strat_ wrote:
Dont ignore them. Theyre both good members. Its just that we have a lot of problems with imposters and shitdisturbers on this site lately (look around the threads, and youll find out soon enough), and it I guess it makes us much more edgy about new members, even those that arent here to cause shit.
EJC_74 wrote:
Thanx Strat! :D I appreciate you sticking up for me! & I will just try as hard as it is to ignore people like those 2 in the future!
"METAL 'TILL DEATH!" \m/ \m/
__ERIC
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, FOR FUCKS SAKE...
A dude comes here with a reference to oral sex in his profile, and we have to go lynch him?!?!?! Seriously, if anything, EJC is right, that is as prude as it gets... We have whole threads for half naked women and sweaty rockstars (not that that is a problem either) for members to drool over, and this is a problem? No wonder he freaked out... I know I would.
EJC, Iam a communist. When you get acces to the main boards (which I hope you will, since you look like a serious member material) we can talk about that, but please, keep it out of this moronic conversation - even tho I admit it wasnt you who started it.
In that case, we are on the issue of unions again. Now, while it may be true (at least at your end) that unions are operated like businesses (and that is wrong, and has to be changed), they are still doing their primary role, in the case of Chrysler, it is opposing wage cuts.
Now, average... Everyone cannot be above it (mathemathicaly impossible), but, there are more ways we can approach this. Should we have a society in which the majority is average (by material wealth), ot should we have a society where "average" is just a calculation between the insanely rich minority and the piss-poor majority (which is the direction that we are all going to now), and where the "average" and the "middle class" dont really exist, or are so few that are hardly worth mentioning?
Now, this argument that poverty and hardship will make people aspire for better is true to a certain extent... But then we can also raise the issue of crime, depression and stress that come from a society where people have to compete for everything. That, and of course... There are only so much winners, the rest are bound to lose, no matter what they do. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, April 20, 2009 7:28:16 AM)
Head banger wrote:
well, I am going to disagree with you twice.
first, unions are not looking out for the worker, they are a business and are looking out for themselfs. their marketing campain is that they help the worker, just like red bull claims to give you wings (restore mental and physical alertness). both contain half truths and outright lies. Unions used to exist to help the worker, now they make a show of it, but like any big business, the heads are living off the lower workers, which I know you hate.
secondly, you cant have everyone above average. its imposible using conventional math. some will be higher, some lower. costs will trend to the average, but will vary with location. so a nice area, will cost more than a cheap area, meaning that min wage will be hard to live on. that gives people a reason to work to get above that.
also, we dont all use the things the companies pay for, but it is an insurance scheme. I have never used employment insurance, and dont forsee using it any time soon. but I pay into it.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats where I disagree. A minimal wage should be enough to ensure a normal, comfortable lifestyle, decent of a 21st century worker, instead of an 11th century peasant - as it does now. And, again. Of course the unions are against a minimun wage that would only suffice for bare survival - they represent the workers, after all. If they didnt stand up against cases like these, whats the point of having them?
Oh, I know. The wage that is left to the worker is usualy only about a half of what the employer pays for the worker. But... It would be a big mistake to say that it is not for theworker. The pension certainly is, as is insurance, and all those things that have to be payed to the state - public healthcare, education, ect... SInce we all use (or have been using) those services.
Head banger wrote:
I dont think that minimum wage should alow many luxuries. sure its tough, but people need to move themselfs into a position to earn more. they do that by various measures, hard work, training, etc. unions dont suport any of those as it puts pressure on all to preform
another article. Dont confuse labour cost with wage, many do, but labour cost is wage, benefits, vacation pay, employers portion of pension, federal pension, employment insurance, and other things.
still a good job http://ca.us.biz.yahoo.com/ap/090417/canada_chrysler_union.html?.v=6
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I guess that is pretty much the same as here. Minimal wage can barely suffice to keep some food in your stomach, somekind of a roof above your head, and maybe a scrap of clothing on your back. Nothing more.
As for Chrysler workers... I dont know. Maybe there is a way to get out of the shit without going inot their wages. I think there probably is. We would have to know more to judge that, but putting them on average wage isnt such a crime, if it cant be avoided, imo.
Head banger wrote:
min wages are by province and state. in ontario, where most of the plants in canada are, min wage is probably 9 something an hour. average (total) would be earnings of about 50 -60K a year (ontario includes a lot of banks and the federal govt, which pay well), second highest average in canada. the min wage wouldnt keep you well if you were single and lived in a major city. the average wage would. the wage cuts would put these guys into the average bracket, or slightly above it with overtime.
_strat_ wrote:
Just to give me a bit of a prespective here... What would be the average and minimal wages in Canada (and in the US, if you happen to know), and is the minimal wage enough for a normal lifestyle?
Head banger wrote:
yeah, costs are probably higher here, but still. after the cutbacks that would put them above the average wage in the whole country, with no training.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, thats something else, then. Now, I dont know how much would be enough for an American citizen (costs of food, housing, ect... Tend to be higher there than here, I think), but if I compare it to my 4,5€ per hour (which is a good wage for someone my age), I guess that they have a lot of room for cut backs there.
Head banger wrote:
straight wage of about $25 an hour (after the cuts) plus benefits, vacation....
_strat_ wrote:
I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here?
Head banger wrote:
90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
Head banger wrote:
unions are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. good ridance chrysler. best of luck GM
Dont ignore them. Theyre both good members. Its just that we have a lot of problems with imposters and shitdisturbers on this site lately (look around the threads, and youll find out soon enough), and it I guess it makes us much more edgy about new members, even those that arent here to cause shit.
Thanx Strat! :D I appreciate you sticking up for me! & I will just try as hard as it is to ignore people like those 2 in the future!
"METAL 'TILL DEATH!" \m/ \m/
__ERIC
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, FOR FUCKS SAKE...
A dude comes here with a reference to oral sex in his profile, and we have to go lynch him?!?!?! Seriously, if anything, EJC is right, that is as prude as it gets... We have whole threads for half naked women and sweaty rockstars (not that that is a problem either) for members to drool over, and this is a problem? No wonder he freaked out... I know I would.
EJC, Iam a communist. When you get acces to the main boards (which I hope you will, since you look like a serious member material) we can talk about that, but please, keep it out of this moronic conversation - even tho I admit it wasnt you who started it.
Well... What the others have said. And I am notglad to know that you turned yourself in, and I sure hope you dont get banned.
What happened yesterday... happened. It wasnt nice, but I think we have it all straightened out now, and no need to ban anyone over it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, April 18, 2009 8:46:39 PM)
spapad wrote:
Strat, you will glad to know that I have turned myself in to the webmaster as being offensive and even asked that if he feels it's best to ban me then I
wholeheartedly agree. I have grown sick of mind and sick of patience with what goes on here. I love my friends, but I look at what I have become and I am not pleased. I've just, after months of assualt, reached my breaking point, and if Mr. Francis Chooses to ban me then it's done.
Like I Have always said.
When I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and dont have a problem admitting to it. This Newbie, some what abnormal, I would have never given a second glance to, but due to months of shit, I went off.
EJC, I offer you an appology, Even though I think you can catch more flys with honey than vinegar.
I am wrong Board, I leave my fate in Mr. Francis's hands. If I'm banned, let me tell each and everyone of my friends how much I love them.
Good night all,
Spapad
Well, I need someone to overthrow. Would care to volounteer?
In any case... Enjoy the BBQ, and remember - when you are eating, somewhere in the world there is a hungry person who would like to eat it too. Namely me.
MY "favorite" president is dead............ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I really have NO interest in body part discussions , either. In fact, I have to clean the barbeque and get it ready to go!!!!! Go do something "communist", will you? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bye now!
_strat_ wrote:
Your favourite president is already doing something about it...
Ok, political provocations aside, I guess theres only "wait and see" in the vaginal reference afair in the newbie thread... I guess there is a shitstorm on its way, tho its quiet so far.
Deep Freeze wrote:
A means to an ends, my friend!!! Should have used car batteries and jumper cables..... BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!! That's right! I said it! Big whoop! Whadda ya gonna do about it...???? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... The horror! The torture! Hmm... You dont think that that is how they interogated people in... Guantanamo?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO! NO!! That would force me to agree with you!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... We can always talk about religion.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My friend, you and I are from different generations, cultures and backgrounds. I really doubt that we will ever see eye to eye on something like this, regardless of how clearly I speak.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, in that case, Im sorry. I thought you meant EJC, who has a profile that some people think is offensive, and he is getting a lot of shit for it in a thread that has nothing to do with it othervise.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps I am not being clear? I do not care about anyone's "profile" nor am I interested in who is arguing with whom. In fact, I believe I said in my post that those regulars who do not care for the topic or participants could simply avoid posting in it, did I not?? You would be free NOT to participate, see? Rather than the reverse where ANY cretin can make a rude comment and proceed to alienate him or herself from the group, this would be a Thread where those of us that do not have interest in another's sexual antics (or whatever) could be spared the discussion.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, we could have a very long discussion on what is stupid and what isnt... Some would say that Kmac the second is a stupid thread, some (like me) wouldnt see anything wrong with "master of cunniligilis" in a user profile.
And if we are really open for different opinions, then I dont see why EJC has to be lynched for his profile.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am referring to ALL of it, strat. "Language filtering"...? Do you really believe that is what I meant? Good Lord, I was really hoping I would not have to go on in detail! This is not about "free speech", my friend. This is about the right to have a place where we can gather and share without stupidity. That includes all of this bickering nonsense! NOT just foul language or sexual discussion (which, by the way, does NOT have a place here) Of course , THAT is my opinion as well. You will notice I do NOT post in the "Thong" Threads.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:55:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you are refering to the Priest tickets sale thread, I already posted what I think about it there. No thank you - if there is anything we dont need is more language filtering.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah! Good Afternoon, folks! So nice and quiet in here. No idiotic babble and foul, distasteful rhetoric! You know, I have been thinking about this and I wonder if there is a way that Murray can set it up so that a Thread can be created and the person that does so can "ban" certain people from posting in it? Perhaps require the creator to "approve" who posts in it? That way, we could simply open a Thread and allow the regulars a place to chat without moronic, random profanity and losers that cannot control their adolescent behavior. Those new members that come here and act in a civilized manner could "request" entry into the Thread and those regulars that do not care for the topic or participants could simply continue to post in the other Threads.....
He managed to do the "Respect Points" thing and that , unfortunately, has not been entirely effective. Short of mods (which is NOT going to happen) this would at least give us sanctuary from the lower forms of life. Too much to ask?
Your favourite president is already doing something about it...
Ok, political provocations aside, I guess theres only "wait and see" in the vaginal reference afair in the newbie thread... I guess there is a shitstorm on its way, tho its quiet so far.
A means to an ends, my friend!!! Should have used car batteries and jumper cables..... BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!! That's right! I said it! Big whoop! Whadda ya gonna do about it...???? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... The horror! The torture! Hmm... You dont think that that is how they interogated people in... Guantanamo?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO! NO!! That would force me to agree with you!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... We can always talk about religion.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My friend, you and I are from different generations, cultures and backgrounds. I really doubt that we will ever see eye to eye on something like this, regardless of how clearly I speak.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, in that case, Im sorry. I thought you meant EJC, who has a profile that some people think is offensive, and he is getting a lot of shit for it in a thread that has nothing to do with it othervise.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps I am not being clear? I do not care about anyone's "profile" nor am I interested in who is arguing with whom. In fact, I believe I said in my post that those regulars who do not care for the topic or participants could simply avoid posting in it, did I not?? You would be free NOT to participate, see? Rather than the reverse where ANY cretin can make a rude comment and proceed to alienate him or herself from the group, this would be a Thread where those of us that do not have interest in another's sexual antics (or whatever) could be spared the discussion.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, we could have a very long discussion on what is stupid and what isnt... Some would say that Kmac the second is a stupid thread, some (like me) wouldnt see anything wrong with "master of cunniligilis" in a user profile.
And if we are really open for different opinions, then I dont see why EJC has to be lynched for his profile.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am referring to ALL of it, strat. "Language filtering"...? Do you really believe that is what I meant? Good Lord, I was really hoping I would not have to go on in detail! This is not about "free speech", my friend. This is about the right to have a place where we can gather and share without stupidity. That includes all of this bickering nonsense! NOT just foul language or sexual discussion (which, by the way, does NOT have a place here) Of course , THAT is my opinion as well. You will notice I do NOT post in the "Thong" Threads.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:55:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you are refering to the Priest tickets sale thread, I already posted what I think about it there. No thank you - if there is anything we dont need is more language filtering.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah! Good Afternoon, folks! So nice and quiet in here. No idiotic babble and foul, distasteful rhetoric! You know, I have been thinking about this and I wonder if there is a way that Murray can set it up so that a Thread can be created and the person that does so can "ban" certain people from posting in it? Perhaps require the creator to "approve" who posts in it? That way, we could simply open a Thread and allow the regulars a place to chat without moronic, random profanity and losers that cannot control their adolescent behavior. Those new members that come here and act in a civilized manner could "request" entry into the Thread and those regulars that do not care for the topic or participants could simply continue to post in the other Threads.....
He managed to do the "Respect Points" thing and that , unfortunately, has not been entirely effective. Short of mods (which is NOT going to happen) this would at least give us sanctuary from the lower forms of life. Too much to ask?
Lol... The horror! The torture! Hmm... You dont think that that is how they interogated people in... Guantanamo? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:29:25 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO! NO!! That would force me to agree with you!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... We can always talk about religion.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My friend, you and I are from different generations, cultures and backgrounds. I really doubt that we will ever see eye to eye on something like this, regardless of how clearly I speak.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, in that case, Im sorry. I thought you meant EJC, who has a profile that some people think is offensive, and he is getting a lot of shit for it in a thread that has nothing to do with it othervise.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps I am not being clear? I do not care about anyone's "profile" nor am I interested in who is arguing with whom. In fact, I believe I said in my post that those regulars who do not care for the topic or participants could simply avoid posting in it, did I not?? You would be free NOT to participate, see? Rather than the reverse where ANY cretin can make a rude comment and proceed to alienate him or herself from the group, this would be a Thread where those of us that do not have interest in another's sexual antics (or whatever) could be spared the discussion.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, we could have a very long discussion on what is stupid and what isnt... Some would say that Kmac the second is a stupid thread, some (like me) wouldnt see anything wrong with "master of cunniligilis" in a user profile.
And if we are really open for different opinions, then I dont see why EJC has to be lynched for his profile.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am referring to ALL of it, strat. "Language filtering"...? Do you really believe that is what I meant? Good Lord, I was really hoping I would not have to go on in detail! This is not about "free speech", my friend. This is about the right to have a place where we can gather and share without stupidity. That includes all of this bickering nonsense! NOT just foul language or sexual discussion (which, by the way, does NOT have a place here) Of course , THAT is my opinion as well. You will notice I do NOT post in the "Thong" Threads.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:55:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you are refering to the Priest tickets sale thread, I already posted what I think about it there. No thank you - if there is anything we dont need is more language filtering.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah! Good Afternoon, folks! So nice and quiet in here. No idiotic babble and foul, distasteful rhetoric! You know, I have been thinking about this and I wonder if there is a way that Murray can set it up so that a Thread can be created and the person that does so can "ban" certain people from posting in it? Perhaps require the creator to "approve" who posts in it? That way, we could simply open a Thread and allow the regulars a place to chat without moronic, random profanity and losers that cannot control their adolescent behavior. Those new members that come here and act in a civilized manner could "request" entry into the Thread and those regulars that do not care for the topic or participants could simply continue to post in the other Threads.....
He managed to do the "Respect Points" thing and that , unfortunately, has not been entirely effective. Short of mods (which is NOT going to happen) this would at least give us sanctuary from the lower forms of life. Too much to ask?
Well... We can always talk about religion. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:25:17 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
My friend, you and I are from different generations, cultures and backgrounds. I really doubt that we will ever see eye to eye on something like this, regardless of how clearly I speak.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, in that case, Im sorry. I thought you meant EJC, who has a profile that some people think is offensive, and he is getting a lot of shit for it in a thread that has nothing to do with it othervise.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps I am not being clear? I do not care about anyone's "profile" nor am I interested in who is arguing with whom. In fact, I believe I said in my post that those regulars who do not care for the topic or participants could simply avoid posting in it, did I not?? You would be free NOT to participate, see? Rather than the reverse where ANY cretin can make a rude comment and proceed to alienate him or herself from the group, this would be a Thread where those of us that do not have interest in another's sexual antics (or whatever) could be spared the discussion.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, we could have a very long discussion on what is stupid and what isnt... Some would say that Kmac the second is a stupid thread, some (like me) wouldnt see anything wrong with "master of cunniligilis" in a user profile.
And if we are really open for different opinions, then I dont see why EJC has to be lynched for his profile.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am referring to ALL of it, strat. "Language filtering"...? Do you really believe that is what I meant? Good Lord, I was really hoping I would not have to go on in detail! This is not about "free speech", my friend. This is about the right to have a place where we can gather and share without stupidity. That includes all of this bickering nonsense! NOT just foul language or sexual discussion (which, by the way, does NOT have a place here) Of course , THAT is my opinion as well. You will notice I do NOT post in the "Thong" Threads.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:55:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you are refering to the Priest tickets sale thread, I already posted what I think about it there. No thank you - if there is anything we dont need is more language filtering.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah! Good Afternoon, folks! So nice and quiet in here. No idiotic babble and foul, distasteful rhetoric! You know, I have been thinking about this and I wonder if there is a way that Murray can set it up so that a Thread can be created and the person that does so can "ban" certain people from posting in it? Perhaps require the creator to "approve" who posts in it? That way, we could simply open a Thread and allow the regulars a place to chat without moronic, random profanity and losers that cannot control their adolescent behavior. Those new members that come here and act in a civilized manner could "request" entry into the Thread and those regulars that do not care for the topic or participants could simply continue to post in the other Threads.....
He managed to do the "Respect Points" thing and that , unfortunately, has not been entirely effective. Short of mods (which is NOT going to happen) this would at least give us sanctuary from the lower forms of life. Too much to ask?
Well, in that case, Im sorry. I thought you meant EJC, who has a profile that some people think is offensive, and he is getting a lot of shit for it in a thread that has nothing to do with it othervise. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:19:48 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps I am not being clear? I do not care about anyone's "profile" nor am I interested in who is arguing with whom. In fact, I believe I said in my post that those regulars who do not care for the topic or participants could simply avoid posting in it, did I not?? You would be free NOT to participate, see? Rather than the reverse where ANY cretin can make a rude comment and proceed to alienate him or herself from the group, this would be a Thread where those of us that do not have interest in another's sexual antics (or whatever) could be spared the discussion.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, we could have a very long discussion on what is stupid and what isnt... Some would say that Kmac the second is a stupid thread, some (like me) wouldnt see anything wrong with "master of cunniligilis" in a user profile.
And if we are really open for different opinions, then I dont see why EJC has to be lynched for his profile.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am referring to ALL of it, strat. "Language filtering"...? Do you really believe that is what I meant? Good Lord, I was really hoping I would not have to go on in detail! This is not about "free speech", my friend. This is about the right to have a place where we can gather and share without stupidity. That includes all of this bickering nonsense! NOT just foul language or sexual discussion (which, by the way, does NOT have a place here) Of course , THAT is my opinion as well. You will notice I do NOT post in the "Thong" Threads.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:55:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you are refering to the Priest tickets sale thread, I already posted what I think about it there. No thank you - if there is anything we dont need is more language filtering.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah! Good Afternoon, folks! So nice and quiet in here. No idiotic babble and foul, distasteful rhetoric! You know, I have been thinking about this and I wonder if there is a way that Murray can set it up so that a Thread can be created and the person that does so can "ban" certain people from posting in it? Perhaps require the creator to "approve" who posts in it? That way, we could simply open a Thread and allow the regulars a place to chat without moronic, random profanity and losers that cannot control their adolescent behavior. Those new members that come here and act in a civilized manner could "request" entry into the Thread and those regulars that do not care for the topic or participants could simply continue to post in the other Threads.....
He managed to do the "Respect Points" thing and that , unfortunately, has not been entirely effective. Short of mods (which is NOT going to happen) this would at least give us sanctuary from the lower forms of life. Too much to ask?
Well, we could have a very long discussion on what is stupid and what isnt... Some would say that Kmac the second is a stupid thread, some (like me) wouldnt see anything wrong with "master of cunniligilis" in a user profile.
And if we are really open for different opinions, then I dont see why EJC has to be lynched for his profile. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 18, 2009 5:02:02 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am referring to ALL of it, strat. "Language filtering"...? Do you really believe that is what I meant? Good Lord, I was really hoping I would not have to go on in detail! This is not about "free speech", my friend. This is about the right to have a place where we can gather and share without stupidity. That includes all of this bickering nonsense! NOT just foul language or sexual discussion (which, by the way, does NOT have a place here) Of course , THAT is my opinion as well. You will notice I do NOT post in the "Thong" Threads.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:55:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
If you are refering to the Priest tickets sale thread, I already posted what I think about it there. No thank you - if there is anything we dont need is more language filtering.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah! Good Afternoon, folks! So nice and quiet in here. No idiotic babble and foul, distasteful rhetoric! You know, I have been thinking about this and I wonder if there is a way that Murray can set it up so that a Thread can be created and the person that does so can "ban" certain people from posting in it? Perhaps require the creator to "approve" who posts in it? That way, we could simply open a Thread and allow the regulars a place to chat without moronic, random profanity and losers that cannot control their adolescent behavior. Those new members that come here and act in a civilized manner could "request" entry into the Thread and those regulars that do not care for the topic or participants could simply continue to post in the other Threads.....
He managed to do the "Respect Points" thing and that , unfortunately, has not been entirely effective. Short of mods (which is NOT going to happen) this would at least give us sanctuary from the lower forms of life. Too much to ask?
If you are refering to the Priest tickets sale thread, I already posted what I think about it there. No thank you - if there is anything we dont need is more language filtering. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 18, 2009 4:45:17 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah! Good Afternoon, folks! So nice and quiet in here. No idiotic babble and foul, distasteful rhetoric! You know, I have been thinking about this and I wonder if there is a way that Murray can set it up so that a Thread can be created and the person that does so can "ban" certain people from posting in it? Perhaps require the creator to "approve" who posts in it? That way, we could simply open a Thread and allow the regulars a place to chat without moronic, random profanity and losers that cannot control their adolescent behavior. Those new members that come here and act in a civilized manner could "request" entry into the Thread and those regulars that do not care for the topic or participants could simply continue to post in the other Threads.....
He managed to do the "Respect Points" thing and that , unfortunately, has not been entirely effective. Short of mods (which is NOT going to happen) this would at least give us sanctuary from the lower forms of life. Too much to ask?
A dude comes here with a reference to oral sex in his profile, and we have to go lynch him?!?!?! Seriously, if anything, EJC is right, that is as prude as it gets... We have whole threads for half naked women and sweaty rockstars (not that that is a problem either) for members to drool over, and this is a problem? No wonder he freaked out... I know I would.
EJC, Iam a communist. When you get acces to the main boards (which I hope you will, since you look like a serious member material) we can talk about that, but please, keep it out of this moronic conversation - even tho I admit it wasnt you who started it.
Well, thats where I disagree. A minimal wage should be enough to ensure a normal, comfortable lifestyle, decent of a 21st century worker, instead of an 11th century peasant - as it does now. And, again. Of course the unions are against a minimun wage that would only suffice for bare survival - they represent the workers, after all. If they didnt stand up against cases like these, whats the point of having them?
Oh, I know. The wage that is left to the worker is usualy only about a half of what the employer pays for the worker. But... It would be a big mistake to say that it is not for theworker. The pension certainly is, as is insurance, and all those things that have to be payed to the state - public healthcare, education, ect... SInce we all use (or have been using) those services. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 17, 2009 4:15:37 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I dont think that minimum wage should alow many luxuries. sure its tough, but people need to move themselfs into a position to earn more. they do that by various measures, hard work, training, etc. unions dont suport any of those as it puts pressure on all to preform
another article. Dont confuse labour cost with wage, many do, but labour cost is wage, benefits, vacation pay, employers portion of pension, federal pension, employment insurance, and other things.
still a good job http://ca.us.biz.yahoo.com/ap/090417/canada_chrysler_union.html?.v=6
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I guess that is pretty much the same as here. Minimal wage can barely suffice to keep some food in your stomach, somekind of a roof above your head, and maybe a scrap of clothing on your back. Nothing more.
As for Chrysler workers... I dont know. Maybe there is a way to get out of the shit without going inot their wages. I think there probably is. We would have to know more to judge that, but putting them on average wage isnt such a crime, if it cant be avoided, imo.
Head banger wrote:
min wages are by province and state. in ontario, where most of the plants in canada are, min wage is probably 9 something an hour. average (total) would be earnings of about 50 -60K a year (ontario includes a lot of banks and the federal govt, which pay well), second highest average in canada. the min wage wouldnt keep you well if you were single and lived in a major city. the average wage would. the wage cuts would put these guys into the average bracket, or slightly above it with overtime.
_strat_ wrote:
Just to give me a bit of a prespective here... What would be the average and minimal wages in Canada (and in the US, if you happen to know), and is the minimal wage enough for a normal lifestyle?
Head banger wrote:
yeah, costs are probably higher here, but still. after the cutbacks that would put them above the average wage in the whole country, with no training.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, thats something else, then. Now, I dont know how much would be enough for an American citizen (costs of food, housing, ect... Tend to be higher there than here, I think), but if I compare it to my 4,5€ per hour (which is a good wage for someone my age), I guess that they have a lot of room for cut backs there.
Head banger wrote:
straight wage of about $25 an hour (after the cuts) plus benefits, vacation....
_strat_ wrote:
I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here?
Head banger wrote:
90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
Head banger wrote:
unions are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. good ridance chrysler. best of luck GM
Well, I guess that is pretty much the same as here. Minimal wage can barely suffice to keep some food in your stomach, somekind of a roof above your head, and maybe a scrap of clothing on your back. Nothing more.
As for Chrysler workers... I dont know. Maybe there is a way to get out of the shit without going inot their wages. I think there probably is. We would have to know more to judge that, but putting them on average wage isnt such a crime, if it cant be avoided, imo.
min wages are by province and state. in ontario, where most of the plants in canada are, min wage is probably 9 something an hour. average (total) would be earnings of about 50 -60K a year (ontario includes a lot of banks and the federal govt, which pay well), second highest average in canada. the min wage wouldnt keep you well if you were single and lived in a major city. the average wage would. the wage cuts would put these guys into the average bracket, or slightly above it with overtime.
_strat_ wrote:
Just to give me a bit of a prespective here... What would be the average and minimal wages in Canada (and in the US, if you happen to know), and is the minimal wage enough for a normal lifestyle?
Head banger wrote:
yeah, costs are probably higher here, but still. after the cutbacks that would put them above the average wage in the whole country, with no training.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, thats something else, then. Now, I dont know how much would be enough for an American citizen (costs of food, housing, ect... Tend to be higher there than here, I think), but if I compare it to my 4,5€ per hour (which is a good wage for someone my age), I guess that they have a lot of room for cut backs there.
Head banger wrote:
straight wage of about $25 an hour (after the cuts) plus benefits, vacation....
_strat_ wrote:
I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here?
Head banger wrote:
90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
Head banger wrote:
unions are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. good ridance chrysler. best of luck GM
Well... Youre weird. Poo to you again! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 17, 2009 1:27:56 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I encorage abortion of anyone like him. probably hasnt figured out what abortion is, so not sure how to respond.
a capitalist would encourage abortion though, you can make money at it, and the woman is back to work faster than having a baby. hows that for cold?
_strat_ wrote:
Conservatives encourage capitalism, and they dont encourage evolution... Or abortion... Except for you, I guess...
Anyway... I see he is active right now. Why isnt he joining us?
Head banger wrote:
now now, dont blame mental defects on capitalism, capitalism encourages evolution where the week minded will eventualy get breed out of the system. sadly we are too soft on the soft headed and then get more soft headed examples such as scooter here.
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Well, maybe it was private healthcare that turned her away?
Head banger wrote:
clearly his mom didnt have the brains to find her way to the abortion clinic anyways
if he inherited half her IQ, it would still show that she was mentaly deficient to spawn this thing
_strat_ wrote:
Ffs... And here was me thinking it would take you a week.
Its people like you that make me an advocate of legal abortion. One visit to a doctor when your mommy was still pregnant, and we would be spared a LOT of bullshit.
Priestnut wrote:
I'll be back again and again! He and you had no right go mind your beers wax leave me be!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Scooooooteeeeeer!!!!!!
Hey Lusche!! You never learned it, huh?
It's just a question of time Murray throwing you out of the window again!!
Priestnut wrote:
MURRY AND YOU AND SUSAN MUST HAVE SAME MENTAL PROBLEM ,NO RIGHT IN THE WORLD TO BANNED MY BUDDY BUT ALL YOU GEEKS NEED A LIFE IM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hey Scooter!!
You're banned again!! And thats twice!!
-100 for "Angel of retribution Mach 2"
&
-100 for "Tyrantrebel"!!
now now, dont blame mental defects on capitalism, capitalism encourages evolution where the week minded will eventualy get breed out of the system. sadly we are too soft on the soft headed and then get more soft headed examples such as scooter here.
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Well, maybe it was private healthcare that turned her away?
Head banger wrote:
clearly his mom didnt have the brains to find her way to the abortion clinic anyways
if he inherited half her IQ, it would still show that she was mentaly deficient to spawn this thing
_strat_ wrote:
Ffs... And here was me thinking it would take you a week.
Its people like you that make me an advocate of legal abortion. One visit to a doctor when your mommy was still pregnant, and we would be spared a LOT of bullshit.
Priestnut wrote:
I'll be back again and again! He and you had no right go mind your beers wax leave me be!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Scooooooteeeeeer!!!!!!
Hey Lusche!! You never learned it, huh?
It's just a question of time Murray throwing you out of the window again!!
Priestnut wrote:
MURRY AND YOU AND SUSAN MUST HAVE SAME MENTAL PROBLEM ,NO RIGHT IN THE WORLD TO BANNED MY BUDDY BUT ALL YOU GEEKS NEED A LIFE IM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hey Scooter!!
You're banned again!! And thats twice!!
-100 for "Angel of retribution Mach 2"
&
-100 for "Tyrantrebel"!!
Just to give me a bit of a prespective here... What would be the average and minimal wages in Canada (and in the US, if you happen to know), and is the minimal wage enough for a normal lifestyle?
yeah, costs are probably higher here, but still. after the cutbacks that would put them above the average wage in the whole country, with no training.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, thats something else, then. Now, I dont know how much would be enough for an American citizen (costs of food, housing, ect... Tend to be higher there than here, I think), but if I compare it to my 4,5€ per hour (which is a good wage for someone my age), I guess that they have a lot of room for cut backs there.
Head banger wrote:
straight wage of about $25 an hour (after the cuts) plus benefits, vacation....
_strat_ wrote:
I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here?
Head banger wrote:
90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
Head banger wrote:
unions are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. good ridance chrysler. best of luck GM
clearly his mom didnt have the brains to find her way to the abortion clinic anyways
if he inherited half her IQ, it would still show that she was mentaly deficient to spawn this thing
_strat_ wrote:
Ffs... And here was me thinking it would take you a week.
Its people like you that make me an advocate of legal abortion. One visit to a doctor when your mommy was still pregnant, and we would be spared a LOT of bullshit.
Priestnut wrote:
I'll be back again and again! He and you had no right go mind your beers wax leave me be!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Scooooooteeeeeer!!!!!!
Hey Lusche!! You never learned it, huh?
It's just a question of time Murray throwing you out of the window again!!
Priestnut wrote:
MURRY AND YOU AND SUSAN MUST HAVE SAME MENTAL PROBLEM ,NO RIGHT IN THE WORLD TO BANNED MY BUDDY BUT ALL YOU GEEKS NEED A LIFE IM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hey Scooter!!
You're banned again!! And thats twice!!
-100 for "Angel of retribution Mach 2"
&
-100 for "Tyrantrebel"!!
Ah, thats something else, then. Now, I dont know how much would be enough for an American citizen (costs of food, housing, ect... Tend to be higher there than here, I think), but if I compare it to my 4,5€ per hour (which is a good wage for someone my age), I guess that they have a lot of room for cut backs there. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 17, 2009 1:08:12 PM)
Head banger wrote:
straight wage of about $25 an hour (after the cuts) plus benefits, vacation....
_strat_ wrote:
I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here?
Head banger wrote:
90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
Head banger wrote:
unions are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. good ridance chrysler. best of luck GM
Ffs... And here was me thinking it would take you a week.
Its people like you that make me an advocate of legal abortion. One visit to a doctor when your mommy was still pregnant, and we would be spared a LOT of bullshit.
I'll be back again and again! He and you had no right go mind your beers wax leave me be!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Scooooooteeeeeer!!!!!!
Hey Lusche!! You never learned it, huh?
It's just a question of time Murray throwing you out of the window again!!
Priestnut wrote:
MURRY AND YOU AND SUSAN MUST HAVE SAME MENTAL PROBLEM ,NO RIGHT IN THE WORLD TO BANNED MY BUDDY BUT ALL YOU GEEKS NEED A LIFE IM BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hey Scooter!!
You're banned again!! And thats twice!!
-100 for "Angel of retribution Mach 2"
&
-100 for "Tyrantrebel"!!
I see... Well, what kind of a wage are we talking about here? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, April 17, 2009 10:05:31 AM)
Head banger wrote:
90% could be replaced by robots, who would be cheaper and do beter work. the company kept caving in to the union, which got them to this situation.
dunno the wages of the managers, they took a 20% cut in managment workforce, and a 10% pay cut for the manager that stayed a while back. I say close the plants. why employ people who wont help keep the company afloat. its not like a pay cut will cause these fools to starve, they earn more than most managers do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
Head banger wrote:
unions are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. good ridance chrysler. best of luck GM
Well, yes, but thats the cost of their work without which, the company wouldnt even exist.
Now, maybe they should take some of the burdain on themselves, but then again... What are the wages of the managers? Its kinda hard for them to accept wage cuts, if the management wont give up their fleets of Ferraries.
Strat, these people cost more than an engineer, to do basic asembly work. their cost (and the way the union prevents higher quality) is a main reason the company has no money. to sugest that they should not help keep the company from going bankrupt is nonsense. they can keep what they have and the company has no choice but to close down. I would just say screw it at this point if I ran chrysler, and file for chapter 7. liquidate and let some one else posibly buy the factory and deal with this stupidity.
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for.
Head banger wrote:
unions are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. good ridance chrysler. best of luck GM
Evolve? So you believe Darwin? Conservapedia wont have much good to say about you.
Well, goofy aside, the least I can say is that youre right and I agree. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, April 17, 2009 7:39:57 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Epidermal pigmentation aside, I said we all evolve or fade away. Whether or not I like it is irrelevant....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha!!!! You like change? Maybe you just accept it? Maybe you can believe in it?... IDK... Looks like a certain well-taned man has made quite an impression on you recently.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning. Looks as though Murray has, as usual, taken care of business and removed a tumor. Well done, as always. You know, there has been a lot of chatter here lately about behavior and what is or is not acceptable. I am always supportive of discourse and I wanted to take a moment to speak on a serious note to all of you.
Over the last couple of years, this Board has seen many changes. As we all know, change is a constant in our world. Those that find they are unable to adapt to change inevitably will succumb to its dynamic. Such is life. We all evolve or we fade away. There have been a lot of very good and very bad members that have "moved on" and are no longer with us. That is a fact. But, more importantly, we have a lot of members that remain. I choose not to lament the loss of those which no longer join us but to embrace those that do.
It is my belief that each and every member offers us something. Even those that choose a path of discord. From them we all learn to support one another and the bonds of friendship are strengthened. From those that differ in opinion, we learn alternate points of view. Certainly I do not always agree with everything that is said here but I find that I am much better for the exchanges. Our lives are enriched through the diversity we have here and that means a lot. In my case, many of you shared in a dark point of my life some time ago. You were there from the beginning and there when I emerged from the other side. I will always be thankful that you were there.
Regardless of one's political affiliation, socio-economic situation, religious beliefs or personal views, each and every one of us on this Board share a common interest...Judas Priest. Through this band, we have come together. Through our friendships, we have stayed. For all the talk and griping and accusations and snipes, we stay. And we all make friends. I often lay in bed at night and, as I drift off to sleep, I actually think of you. I picture those I have never seen and try to imagine what you look like. I can see those I have met and I imagine hanging out and talking. I recall those that have made personal efforts to spend time with me. And I smile. Sometimes, I wonder what you're doing at that moment. Are you sleeping? Are you sharing with family? Working? Listening to some Priest? HA!!!!!!
We can say what we will about some of the behavior here. As much as I have always tried to show grace and manners I realize that I am human and I get caught up in the silliness just as anyone else can. We can declare our disgust and leave. We can take shots at one another. We can complain about those that are no longer part of our group. All of this we can do. But we can also share in the unique and widely varied personalities that make up OUR Board today. That's right, OUR Board. It is ours. Yours and mine. We keep coming here because we care. We defend because we care. We argue because we care. We laugh because we care. Most importantly of all........we care.
Aha!!!! You like change? Maybe you just accept it? Maybe you can believe in it?... IDK... Looks like a certain well-taned man has made quite an impression on you recently. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, April 17, 2009 7:16:47 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning. Looks as though Murray has, as usual, taken care of business and removed a tumor. Well done, as always. You know, there has been a lot of chatter here lately about behavior and what is or is not acceptable. I am always supportive of discourse and I wanted to take a moment to speak on a serious note to all of you.
Over the last couple of years, this Board has seen many changes. As we all know, change is a constant in our world. Those that find they are unable to adapt to change inevitably will succumb to its dynamic. Such is life. We all evolve or we fade away. There have been a lot of very good and very bad members that have "moved on" and are no longer with us. That is a fact. But, more importantly, we have a lot of members that remain. I choose not to lament the loss of those which no longer join us but to embrace those that do.
It is my belief that each and every member offers us something. Even those that choose a path of discord. From them we all learn to support one another and the bonds of friendship are strengthened. From those that differ in opinion, we learn alternate points of view. Certainly I do not always agree with everything that is said here but I find that I am much better for the exchanges. Our lives are enriched through the diversity we have here and that means a lot. In my case, many of you shared in a dark point of my life some time ago. You were there from the beginning and there when I emerged from the other side. I will always be thankful that you were there.
Regardless of one's political affiliation, socio-economic situation, religious beliefs or personal views, each and every one of us on this Board share a common interest...Judas Priest. Through this band, we have come together. Through our friendships, we have stayed. For all the talk and griping and accusations and snipes, we stay. And we all make friends. I often lay in bed at night and, as I drift off to sleep, I actually think of you. I picture those I have never seen and try to imagine what you look like. I can see those I have met and I imagine hanging out and talking. I recall those that have made personal efforts to spend time with me. And I smile. Sometimes, I wonder what you're doing at that moment. Are you sleeping? Are you sharing with family? Working? Listening to some Priest? HA!!!!!!
We can say what we will about some of the behavior here. As much as I have always tried to show grace and manners I realize that I am human and I get caught up in the silliness just as anyone else can. We can declare our disgust and leave. We can take shots at one another. We can complain about those that are no longer part of our group. All of this we can do. But we can also share in the unique and widely varied personalities that make up OUR Board today. That's right, OUR Board. It is ours. Yours and mine. We keep coming here because we care. We defend because we care. We argue because we care. We laugh because we care. Most importantly of all........we care.
Lol... Well, I wasnt even an idea when they were on the scene. But, they have one or two songs that I can listen to. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Friday, April 17, 2009 5:32:47 AM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Boney M!! I was in school (6th grade) as they're coming up!!
_strat_ wrote:
Rasputin!!!!
Ra-ra-rasputin, Russias famous love machine... Dont anyone dare say that that song is crap!!!
And on the side note, Lady GaGa is shit. Boney M rule!
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
HELLO ....WHAT?,NO CYNDI LAUPER IN HER CAR?...OR HOW ABOUT "NIGHTFLIGHT TO VENUS" BY BONEY M.?.......RASPUTIN!...HE WAS A BAD DUDE!....OR JUST MISUNDERSTOOD...
Becks wrote:
Hiya Soy! I heard about a South American winning but didn't realise it was an Argentinian, cool!
Argh I just remembered something I was gonna say LMAO! Here's a new version of HELL for a metal head - being driven around in my mums car while she blasts her new Lady GaGa CD my ears were assaulted quote viciously LMAO!
Hmm... Sounds like a typical extortion. Accept lower wages, or get fired. Of course the unions are against it. Thats what theyre there for. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
unions are about to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. good ridance chrysler. best of luck GM
HELLO ....WHAT?,NO CYNDI LAUPER IN HER CAR?...OR HOW ABOUT "NIGHTFLIGHT TO VENUS" BY BONEY M.?.......RASPUTIN!...HE WAS A BAD DUDE!....OR JUST MISUNDERSTOOD...
Becks wrote:
Hiya Soy! I heard about a South American winning but didn't realise it was an Argentinian, cool!
Argh I just remembered something I was gonna say LMAO! Here's a new version of HELL for a metal head - being driven around in my mums car while she blasts her new Lady GaGa CD my ears were assaulted quote viciously LMAO!
Lol... Yeah, I get the same image everytime I hear about them.
Tho, if Johnny Depp suddenly decided to quit being an actor and start being a pirate, I doubt he would get much further than little row boats. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:58:46 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
What has been making me go "Hmmmm..." lately are these Somali pirate raids. Everytime I hear news about some other raid made by these pirates, I imagine the characters from the Pirates of the Caribbean movies, in their full pirate gear, invading those giagantic cargo ships. Heheh...
Oh, and can you send me another threatening PM? I do love them so... PLEASE? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Angel of Retribution Mach 2 from Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:08:11 AM)
Normie!!!!!!! Can I have your autograph? PLEASE?!?!?! Can I, can I? No, no... Dont strain your brain cell... An "X" will do! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Angel of Retribution Mach 2 from Thursday, April 16, 2009 11:08:11 AM)
So long as the meat is not still twitching on my plate Ill have some...LOL
Good Grief.. Iam off for some food and a work out,,, Have a wonderful day all!
MG~
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:53:22 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
But of course!!!! There will be plenty!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Med well Please...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I missed the last exchange. I was trying to cook a steak with my oxy-acetylene torch but I could not SPELL that properly so I have to go with Matchlight coals...... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, now... Dont make me send you to the principals office! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:59:09 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ah, true, but you admit that you were wrong. therefore I was right, so I am better than you.
MUST POST MORE IN CAPS, SO THAT I GET THE RIGHT RATIO OF CAPS TO NON CAPS.
_strat_ wrote:
A score of 20% would still mean that you didnt pass, at least in our grade system. You would need at least 50% for that.
But, I agree, have those 20%, and a nice "better luck next time" with it.
Head banger wrote:
now, on to math
a negative grade wouldnt be posible, the lowest grade possible is 0. but since I conveyed my point, I should see a couple points. perhaps a score of 20%?
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. This wouldnt work with my English teacher. Still negative.
Head banger wrote:
yeah well.... I was working to be on his level. yeah thats it
and the capitalization of a name implies respect, so I deleted that one naturaly
_strat_ wrote:
Well, well, well... Looks like I have my work cut out here!
You forgot 6 capital letters. Five of them at the begining of a sentence, one should be the first letter of the name "Norman".
"neibours" is not right, "neighbours" is.
"comand" is wrong, "command" is correct.
Also, if you are quoting someone (Norman, in this case), it would be good if you were to put it like this: "Woof".
Negative grade, Im afraid.(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:21:52 AM)
Head banger wrote:
bears would raise him better than that.
can speak, sure, but so can my neibours dog. speaks upon comand. he norman, speak.. woof good idiot.
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, thanks... Freeze and Guido are much to blame for that. Walking talking dictionaries.
Tho... For Normie the issue probably isnt language... Im guessing he can speak (unless he was brought up by bears - which isnt all that unlikely), he just cant read and write.
devils_child wrote:
Exactly.... Alot of the members here speak English as a second language, I have nothing but respect for you all (Yes you too Strat ) ... Especially when I see certain people who can't even string a sentence together.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Thats right. A little backreading will reveal that there are people who have enough problems with their first language, let alone learning a second one.
devils_child wrote:
I think you need to stop insulting people who speak English as a second language..... Do you know how to speak a second language?.... If you don't...give it a try and see how hard it is. Want my opinion, I understand what Phantom is saying so I don't see why you have to make fun of him.....
And yes... I do speak a second language, So i have respect for those who try and take on something challenging.
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Seriously man, I think you need to go to the non-english speaking thread and stay there.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... Oh yes Norman you are soooooo innocent. Poor little fraggle!! You want to have help from Murray?? Shame on you, Lusche!! You was wrong in the past?? Just in the past?? You're wrong 'til the present!!
You start to ignoring people together with your Queen Roger aka Darryn!! That's the facts, Lusche!! And now you're start to crying for help like a little baby?? Try to be a man!!
Angel of Retrubution Mach 2 wrote:
MURRY ITS TIME YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SE I KEEP TO MYSELF,I WAS WRONG IN THE PAST BUT THESE PEOPLE IF THEY COME HERE FOR PRIEST DICUSSION WHY DO THEY NEED TO SEEK ME OUT ALL MY POST WERE VALID GO CHECK THEM,THEY START WITHNTHE IGNORES AND HACK INTO PEOPLES IDENDITY!
Oxi-acetylene? I smell chemistry... Get it away! It burnsss ussssss.... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:49:11 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I missed the last exchange. I was trying to cook a steak with my oxy-acetylene torch but I could not SPELL that properly so I have to go with Matchlight coals...... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
now, on to math
a negative grade wouldnt be posible, the lowest grade possible is 0. but since I conveyed my point, I should see a couple points. perhaps a score of 20%?
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. This wouldnt work with my English teacher. Still negative.
Head banger wrote:
yeah well.... I was working to be on his level. yeah thats it
and the capitalization of a name implies respect, so I deleted that one naturaly
_strat_ wrote:
Well, well, well... Looks like I have my work cut out here!
You forgot 6 capital letters. Five of them at the begining of a sentence, one should be the first letter of the name "Norman".
"neibours" is not right, "neighbours" is.
"comand" is wrong, "command" is correct.
Also, if you are quoting someone (Norman, in this case), it would be good if you were to put it like this: "Woof".
Negative grade, Im afraid.(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:21:52 AM)
Head banger wrote:
bears would raise him better than that.
can speak, sure, but so can my neibours dog. speaks upon comand. he norman, speak.. woof good idiot.
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, thanks... Freeze and Guido are much to blame for that. Walking talking dictionaries.
Tho... For Normie the issue probably isnt language... Im guessing he can speak (unless he was brought up by bears - which isnt all that unlikely), he just cant read and write.
devils_child wrote:
Exactly.... Alot of the members here speak English as a second language, I have nothing but respect for you all (Yes you too Strat ) ... Especially when I see certain people who can't even string a sentence together.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Thats right. A little backreading will reveal that there are people who have enough problems with their first language, let alone learning a second one.
devils_child wrote:
I think you need to stop insulting people who speak English as a second language..... Do you know how to speak a second language?.... If you don't...give it a try and see how hard it is. Want my opinion, I understand what Phantom is saying so I don't see why you have to make fun of him.....
And yes... I do speak a second language, So i have respect for those who try and take on something challenging.
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Seriously man, I think you need to go to the non-english speaking thread and stay there.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... Oh yes Norman you are soooooo innocent. Poor little fraggle!! You want to have help from Murray?? Shame on you, Lusche!! You was wrong in the past?? Just in the past?? You're wrong 'til the present!!
You start to ignoring people together with your Queen Roger aka Darryn!! That's the facts, Lusche!! And now you're start to crying for help like a little baby?? Try to be a man!!
Angel of Retrubution Mach 2 wrote:
MURRY ITS TIME YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SE I KEEP TO MYSELF,I WAS WRONG IN THE PAST BUT THESE PEOPLE IF THEY COME HERE FOR PRIEST DICUSSION WHY DO THEY NEED TO SEEK ME OUT ALL MY POST WERE VALID GO CHECK THEM,THEY START WITHNTHE IGNORES AND HACK INTO PEOPLES IDENDITY!
Nope. This wouldnt work with my English teacher. Still negative. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:44:13 AM)
Head banger wrote:
yeah well.... I was working to be on his level. yeah thats it
and the capitalization of a name implies respect, so I deleted that one naturaly
_strat_ wrote:
Well, well, well... Looks like I have my work cut out here!
You forgot 6 capital letters. Five of them at the begining of a sentence, one should be the first letter of the name "Norman".
"neibours" is not right, "neighbours" is.
"comand" is wrong, "command" is correct.
Also, if you are quoting someone (Norman, in this case), it would be good if you were to put it like this: "Woof".
Negative grade, Im afraid.(Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:21:52 AM)
Head banger wrote:
bears would raise him better than that.
can speak, sure, but so can my neibours dog. speaks upon comand. he norman, speak.. woof good idiot.
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, thanks... Freeze and Guido are much to blame for that. Walking talking dictionaries.
Tho... For Normie the issue probably isnt language... Im guessing he can speak (unless he was brought up by bears - which isnt all that unlikely), he just cant read and write.
devils_child wrote:
Exactly.... Alot of the members here speak English as a second language, I have nothing but respect for you all (Yes you too Strat ) ... Especially when I see certain people who can't even string a sentence together.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Thats right. A little backreading will reveal that there are people who have enough problems with their first language, let alone learning a second one.
devils_child wrote:
I think you need to stop insulting people who speak English as a second language..... Do you know how to speak a second language?.... If you don't...give it a try and see how hard it is. Want my opinion, I understand what Phantom is saying so I don't see why you have to make fun of him.....
And yes... I do speak a second language, So i have respect for those who try and take on something challenging.
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Seriously man, I think you need to go to the non-english speaking thread and stay there.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... Oh yes Norman you are soooooo innocent. Poor little fraggle!! You want to have help from Murray?? Shame on you, Lusche!! You was wrong in the past?? Just in the past?? You're wrong 'til the present!!
You start to ignoring people together with your Queen Roger aka Darryn!! That's the facts, Lusche!! And now you're start to crying for help like a little baby?? Try to be a man!!
Angel of Retrubution Mach 2 wrote:
MURRY ITS TIME YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SE I KEEP TO MYSELF,I WAS WRONG IN THE PAST BUT THESE PEOPLE IF THEY COME HERE FOR PRIEST DICUSSION WHY DO THEY NEED TO SEEK ME OUT ALL MY POST WERE VALID GO CHECK THEM,THEY START WITHNTHE IGNORES AND HACK INTO PEOPLES IDENDITY!
Ah, so you dont love me anymore? Well... Poo to you! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:43:25 AM)
Head banger wrote:
if I had a ferrari I wouldnt need you!
_strat_ wrote:
Sorry, that wont do. Call me when you have a Ferrari.
Head banger wrote:
well, I dont actualy own a car. I drive a company car, its a red ford explorer.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey! Not so fast. First I need some info.
What car do you have?
Head banger wrote:
oops... my bad. hey strat (wink)
HA!
_strat_ wrote:
Uh, oh... You just came out, you know!
Head banger wrote:
damn straight!
spapad wrote:
United, United, United, We stand, United we never shall fall!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yep thats why Me and you and the real J.D. have discussed this among ourselves,in Pm's as to what was said and we have moved on, and all get along, like normal adults... WE ARE THE TRUE DEFENDERS! and now no-one can come betweeen what we all have in our friendships here... They can pm us and tell us this and that person did this and or that.. but we now know the truth.. all the cards have been out on the table, and it looks like WE WIN!!!!!!!!
SO as usuall the defects will keep trying,, but I guess that what people with no life do..
At least we all have the faith in one another to go forward .. and be real friends.!
Hugs to you all MG~
(Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:17:41 PM)
spapad wrote:
I agree with you MG~! I know that people do things here for reasons I don't understand, and that We both have fallen victim to this stuff along with a few other members. I know that people have tried to cause discord between you and me at times. I KNOW your a real person. I believe that with everything in me!
The slugs will always be here, unless registration security is stepped up I suppose, but I know who my friends are, and I know in my theroies at times I have guessed wrong, just like so many of us who seek to explain the unexplainable to ourselves.
Won't happen again, Hey jokers and shit disturbers! We know who our friends are and we are strong in numbers, We are the faithfull defenders. You will always loose!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yes the fact that we have good people out on this board, and they are true at heart, why cant people just come out here and socialize... as adults with one another, .. Not worry about who might have said what to whom... Iam tierd of it.
And its pety, Sure we all hold grudges, and there have been misunderstandings, and misinterpitations as to what people mean, or as in what they say.. but that doesnt give anyone the right to pre-judge them esp when that person themselves has been attacked, and have had people come on the board and try and screw up their relationships with others out of jealousey.
But unfornt. we have people that live to be shit disturbers, and feel that they cannot act in a humane way to others. And are jealous of other people, for whatever reason, or bothered by the fact that people can actually get along.
I wish this board was more adult based. and the adults who cannot act in a decent matter.. Need to be gone forever.
People who pretend be other people by taking a simular name to that person as in what happend to ME & JD..
and as to what is happening to SPapad. stalking, and trying to degrade the person over and over and over again..
I often wondered is it that these peope who do these things,, are there lives so empty and full of hate, that they consume themselves on a self destructive path, and then psychologicaly in their own minds blame others, for their own self rightousness and tragity..??? Sad but true if I had to disect them, this is what I see.. from a adults point of view of coming on the board.
I hope some of you read this, and understand, that I have myself have lost a few good friendships because of people doing this. And I feel it has wrecked the very respect and nature of what this board is meant for and what it is meant to be.
May you all find peace someday.. trust me it makes life alot easier!! its easier to smile, than to frown, and believe me.. the energy and time you waste on hating yourself, and others is-not worth it...
Well... Its like this: judging from Norman, Scooter, or whatever is his real name, if he is a welder, than you, I, and all the regular members were overqualified for the job in the first grade of primary school.
Or a welder.................. BWWAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Goes back to high school. I helped out a friend who was bad in English, and he helped me with math.
Maybe I will be a teacher yet?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait a minute here....STRAT is teaching English??!?!?!?!?! BWWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! I must say strat, you DO write considerably better than Scooter!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, well, well... Looks like I have my work cut out here!
You forgot 6 capital letters. Five of them at the begining of a sentence, one should be the first letter of the name "Norman".
"neibours" is not right, "neighbours" is.
"comand" is wrong, "command" is.
Also, if you are quoting someone (Norman, in this case), it would be good if you were to put it like this: "Woof".
Negative grade, Im afraid.
Head banger wrote:
bears would raise him better than that.
can speak, sure, but so can my neibours dog. speaks upon comand. he norman, speak.. woof good idiot.
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, thanks... Freeze and Guido are much to blame for that. Walking talking dictionaries.
Tho... For Normie the issue probably isnt language... Im guessing he can speak (unless he was brought up by bears - which isnt all that unlikely), he just cant read and write.
devils_child wrote:
Exactly.... Alot of the members here speak English as a second language, I have nothing but respect for you all (Yes you too Strat ) ... Especially when I see certain people who can't even string a sentence together.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Thats right. A little backreading will reveal that there are people who have enough problems with their first language, let alone learning a second one.
devils_child wrote:
I think you need to stop insulting people who speak English as a second language..... Do you know how to speak a second language?.... If you don't...give it a try and see how hard it is. Want my opinion, I understand what Phantom is saying so I don't see why you have to make fun of him.....
And yes... I do speak a second language, So i have respect for those who try and take on something challenging.
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Seriously man, I think you need to go to the non-english speaking thread and stay there.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... Oh yes Norman you are soooooo innocent. Poor little fraggle!! You want to have help from Murray?? Shame on you, Lusche!! You was wrong in the past?? Just in the past?? You're wrong 'til the present!!
You start to ignoring people together with your Queen Roger aka Darryn!! That's the facts, Lusche!! And now you're start to crying for help like a little baby?? Try to be a man!!
Angel of Retrubution Mach 2 wrote:
MURRY ITS TIME YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SE I KEEP TO MYSELF,I WAS WRONG IN THE PAST BUT THESE PEOPLE IF THEY COME HERE FOR PRIEST DICUSSION WHY DO THEY NEED TO SEEK ME OUT ALL MY POST WERE VALID GO CHECK THEM,THEY START WITHNTHE IGNORES AND HACK INTO PEOPLES IDENDITY!
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait a minute here....STRAT is teaching English??!?!?!?!?! BWWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! I must say strat, you DO write considerably better than Scooter!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, well, well... Looks like I have my work cut out here!
You forgot 6 capital letters. Five of them at the begining of a sentence, one should be the first letter of the name "Norman".
"neibours" is not right, "neighbours" is.
"comand" is wrong, "command" is.
Also, if you are quoting someone (Norman, in this case), it would be good if you were to put it like this: "Woof".
Negative grade, Im afraid.
Head banger wrote:
bears would raise him better than that.
can speak, sure, but so can my neibours dog. speaks upon comand. he norman, speak.. woof good idiot.
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, thanks... Freeze and Guido are much to blame for that. Walking talking dictionaries.
Tho... For Normie the issue probably isnt language... Im guessing he can speak (unless he was brought up by bears - which isnt all that unlikely), he just cant read and write.
devils_child wrote:
Exactly.... Alot of the members here speak English as a second language, I have nothing but respect for you all (Yes you too Strat ) ... Especially when I see certain people who can't even string a sentence together.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Thats right. A little backreading will reveal that there are people who have enough problems with their first language, let alone learning a second one.
devils_child wrote:
I think you need to stop insulting people who speak English as a second language..... Do you know how to speak a second language?.... If you don't...give it a try and see how hard it is. Want my opinion, I understand what Phantom is saying so I don't see why you have to make fun of him.....
And yes... I do speak a second language, So i have respect for those who try and take on something challenging.
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Seriously man, I think you need to go to the non-english speaking thread and stay there.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... Oh yes Norman you are soooooo innocent. Poor little fraggle!! You want to have help from Murray?? Shame on you, Lusche!! You was wrong in the past?? Just in the past?? You're wrong 'til the present!!
You start to ignoring people together with your Queen Roger aka Darryn!! That's the facts, Lusche!! And now you're start to crying for help like a little baby?? Try to be a man!!
Angel of Retrubution Mach 2 wrote:
MURRY ITS TIME YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SE I KEEP TO MYSELF,I WAS WRONG IN THE PAST BUT THESE PEOPLE IF THEY COME HERE FOR PRIEST DICUSSION WHY DO THEY NEED TO SEEK ME OUT ALL MY POST WERE VALID GO CHECK THEM,THEY START WITHNTHE IGNORES AND HACK INTO PEOPLES IDENDITY!
Sorry, that wont do. Call me when you have a Ferrari.
Head banger wrote:
well, I dont actualy own a car. I drive a company car, its a red ford explorer.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey! Not so fast. First I need some info.
What car do you have?
Head banger wrote:
oops... my bad. hey strat (wink)
HA!
_strat_ wrote:
Uh, oh... You just came out, you know!
Head banger wrote:
damn straight!
spapad wrote:
United, United, United, We stand, United we never shall fall!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yep thats why Me and you and the real J.D. have discussed this among ourselves,in Pm's as to what was said and we have moved on, and all get along, like normal adults... WE ARE THE TRUE DEFENDERS! and now no-one can come betweeen what we all have in our friendships here... They can pm us and tell us this and that person did this and or that.. but we now know the truth.. all the cards have been out on the table, and it looks like WE WIN!!!!!!!!
SO as usuall the defects will keep trying,, but I guess that what people with no life do..
At least we all have the faith in one another to go forward .. and be real friends.!
Hugs to you all MG~
(Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:17:41 PM)
spapad wrote:
I agree with you MG~! I know that people do things here for reasons I don't understand, and that We both have fallen victim to this stuff along with a few other members. I know that people have tried to cause discord between you and me at times. I KNOW your a real person. I believe that with everything in me!
The slugs will always be here, unless registration security is stepped up I suppose, but I know who my friends are, and I know in my theroies at times I have guessed wrong, just like so many of us who seek to explain the unexplainable to ourselves.
Won't happen again, Hey jokers and shit disturbers! We know who our friends are and we are strong in numbers, We are the faithfull defenders. You will always loose!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yes the fact that we have good people out on this board, and they are true at heart, why cant people just come out here and socialize... as adults with one another, .. Not worry about who might have said what to whom... Iam tierd of it.
And its pety, Sure we all hold grudges, and there have been misunderstandings, and misinterpitations as to what people mean, or as in what they say.. but that doesnt give anyone the right to pre-judge them esp when that person themselves has been attacked, and have had people come on the board and try and screw up their relationships with others out of jealousey.
But unfornt. we have people that live to be shit disturbers, and feel that they cannot act in a humane way to others. And are jealous of other people, for whatever reason, or bothered by the fact that people can actually get along.
I wish this board was more adult based. and the adults who cannot act in a decent matter.. Need to be gone forever.
People who pretend be other people by taking a simular name to that person as in what happend to ME & JD..
and as to what is happening to SPapad. stalking, and trying to degrade the person over and over and over again..
I often wondered is it that these peope who do these things,, are there lives so empty and full of hate, that they consume themselves on a self destructive path, and then psychologicaly in their own minds blame others, for their own self rightousness and tragity..??? Sad but true if I had to disect them, this is what I see.. from a adults point of view of coming on the board.
I hope some of you read this, and understand, that I have myself have lost a few good friendships because of people doing this. And I feel it has wrecked the very respect and nature of what this board is meant for and what it is meant to be.
May you all find peace someday.. trust me it makes life alot easier!! its easier to smile, than to frown, and believe me.. the energy and time you waste on hating yourself, and others is-not worth it...
IDK... I always wondered who puts those texts on the funny cat pictures that MG posts... I think we have him! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:21:42 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Darn!!! And I had gotten used to everyone kissing my ass........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HEY! Where the hell is Scooter???? Taking writing classes while making FITTY dollrza hour....? Maybe he can become a welder.............. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bears would raise him better than that.
can speak, sure, but so can my neibours dog. speaks upon comand. he norman, speak.. woof good idiot.
_strat_ wrote:
Aww, thanks... Freeze and Guido are much to blame for that. Walking talking dictionaries.
Tho... For Normie the issue probably isnt language... Im guessing he can speak (unless he was brought up by bears - which isnt all that unlikely), he just cant read and write.
devils_child wrote:
Exactly.... Alot of the members here speak English as a second language, I have nothing but respect for you all (Yes you too Strat ) ... Especially when I see certain people who can't even string a sentence together.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Thats right. A little backreading will reveal that there are people who have enough problems with their first language, let alone learning a second one.
devils_child wrote:
I think you need to stop insulting people who speak English as a second language..... Do you know how to speak a second language?.... If you don't...give it a try and see how hard it is. Want my opinion, I understand what Phantom is saying so I don't see why you have to make fun of him.....
And yes... I do speak a second language, So i have respect for those who try and take on something challenging.
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Seriously man, I think you need to go to the non-english speaking thread and stay there.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... Oh yes Norman you are soooooo innocent. Poor little fraggle!! You want to have help from Murray?? Shame on you, Lusche!! You was wrong in the past?? Just in the past?? You're wrong 'til the present!!
You start to ignoring people together with your Queen Roger aka Darryn!! That's the facts, Lusche!! And now you're start to crying for help like a little baby?? Try to be a man!!
Angel of Retrubution Mach 2 wrote:
MURRY ITS TIME YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SE I KEEP TO MYSELF,I WAS WRONG IN THE PAST BUT THESE PEOPLE IF THEY COME HERE FOR PRIEST DICUSSION WHY DO THEY NEED TO SEEK ME OUT ALL MY POST WERE VALID GO CHECK THEM,THEY START WITHNTHE IGNORES AND HACK INTO PEOPLES IDENDITY!
Sorry, that wont do. Call me when you have a Ferrari. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:17:40 AM)
Head banger wrote:
well, I dont actualy own a car. I drive a company car, its a red ford explorer.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey! Not so fast. First I need some info.
What car do you have?
Head banger wrote:
oops... my bad. hey strat (wink)
HA!
_strat_ wrote:
Uh, oh... You just came out, you know!
Head banger wrote:
damn straight!
spapad wrote:
United, United, United, We stand, United we never shall fall!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yep thats why Me and you and the real J.D. have discussed this among ourselves,in Pm's as to what was said and we have moved on, and all get along, like normal adults... WE ARE THE TRUE DEFENDERS! and now no-one can come betweeen what we all have in our friendships here... They can pm us and tell us this and that person did this and or that.. but we now know the truth.. all the cards have been out on the table, and it looks like WE WIN!!!!!!!!
SO as usuall the defects will keep trying,, but I guess that what people with no life do..
At least we all have the faith in one another to go forward .. and be real friends.!
Hugs to you all MG~
(Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:17:41 PM)
spapad wrote:
I agree with you MG~! I know that people do things here for reasons I don't understand, and that We both have fallen victim to this stuff along with a few other members. I know that people have tried to cause discord between you and me at times. I KNOW your a real person. I believe that with everything in me!
The slugs will always be here, unless registration security is stepped up I suppose, but I know who my friends are, and I know in my theroies at times I have guessed wrong, just like so many of us who seek to explain the unexplainable to ourselves.
Won't happen again, Hey jokers and shit disturbers! We know who our friends are and we are strong in numbers, We are the faithfull defenders. You will always loose!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yes the fact that we have good people out on this board, and they are true at heart, why cant people just come out here and socialize... as adults with one another, .. Not worry about who might have said what to whom... Iam tierd of it.
And its pety, Sure we all hold grudges, and there have been misunderstandings, and misinterpitations as to what people mean, or as in what they say.. but that doesnt give anyone the right to pre-judge them esp when that person themselves has been attacked, and have had people come on the board and try and screw up their relationships with others out of jealousey.
But unfornt. we have people that live to be shit disturbers, and feel that they cannot act in a humane way to others. And are jealous of other people, for whatever reason, or bothered by the fact that people can actually get along.
I wish this board was more adult based. and the adults who cannot act in a decent matter.. Need to be gone forever.
People who pretend be other people by taking a simular name to that person as in what happend to ME & JD..
and as to what is happening to SPapad. stalking, and trying to degrade the person over and over and over again..
I often wondered is it that these peope who do these things,, are there lives so empty and full of hate, that they consume themselves on a self destructive path, and then psychologicaly in their own minds blame others, for their own self rightousness and tragity..??? Sad but true if I had to disect them, this is what I see.. from a adults point of view of coming on the board.
I hope some of you read this, and understand, that I have myself have lost a few good friendships because of people doing this. And I feel it has wrecked the very respect and nature of what this board is meant for and what it is meant to be.
May you all find peace someday.. trust me it makes life alot easier!! its easier to smile, than to frown, and believe me.. the energy and time you waste on hating yourself, and others is-not worth it...
United, United, United, We stand, United we never shall fall!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yep thats why Me and you and the real J.D. have discussed this among ourselves,in Pm's as to what was said and we have moved on, and all get along, like normal adults... WE ARE THE TRUE DEFENDERS! and now no-one can come betweeen what we all have in our friendships here... They can pm us and tell us this and that person did this and or that.. but we now know the truth.. all the cards have been out on the table, and it looks like WE WIN!!!!!!!!
SO as usuall the defects will keep trying,, but I guess that what people with no life do..
At least we all have the faith in one another to go forward .. and be real friends.!
Hugs to you all MG~
(Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:17:41 PM)
spapad wrote:
I agree with you MG~! I know that people do things here for reasons I don't understand, and that We both have fallen victim to this stuff along with a few other members. I know that people have tried to cause discord between you and me at times. I KNOW your a real person. I believe that with everything in me!
The slugs will always be here, unless registration security is stepped up I suppose, but I know who my friends are, and I know in my theroies at times I have guessed wrong, just like so many of us who seek to explain the unexplainable to ourselves.
Won't happen again, Hey jokers and shit disturbers! We know who our friends are and we are strong in numbers, We are the faithfull defenders. You will always loose!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yes the fact that we have good people out on this board, and they are true at heart, why cant people just come out here and socialize... as adults with one another, .. Not worry about who might have said what to whom... Iam tierd of it.
And its pety, Sure we all hold grudges, and there have been misunderstandings, and misinterpitations as to what people mean, or as in what they say.. but that doesnt give anyone the right to pre-judge them esp when that person themselves has been attacked, and have had people come on the board and try and screw up their relationships with others out of jealousey.
But unfornt. we have people that live to be shit disturbers, and feel that they cannot act in a humane way to others. And are jealous of other people, for whatever reason, or bothered by the fact that people can actually get along.
I wish this board was more adult based. and the adults who cannot act in a decent matter.. Need to be gone forever.
People who pretend be other people by taking a simular name to that person as in what happend to ME & JD..
and as to what is happening to SPapad. stalking, and trying to degrade the person over and over and over again..
I often wondered is it that these peope who do these things,, are there lives so empty and full of hate, that they consume themselves on a self destructive path, and then psychologicaly in their own minds blame others, for their own self rightousness and tragity..??? Sad but true if I had to disect them, this is what I see.. from a adults point of view of coming on the board.
I hope some of you read this, and understand, that I have myself have lost a few good friendships because of people doing this. And I feel it has wrecked the very respect and nature of what this board is meant for and what it is meant to be.
May you all find peace someday.. trust me it makes life alot easier!! its easier to smile, than to frown, and believe me.. the energy and time you waste on hating yourself, and others is-not worth it...
United, United, United, We stand, United we never shall fall!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yep thats why Me and you and the real J.D. have discussed this among ourselves,in Pm's as to what was said and we have moved on, and all get along, like normal adults... WE ARE THE TRUE DEFENDERS! and now no-one can come betweeen what we all have in our friendships here... They can pm us and tell us this and that person did this and or that.. but we now know the truth.. all the cards have been out on the table, and it looks like WE WIN!!!!!!!!
SO as usuall the defects will keep trying,, but I guess that what people with no life do..
At least we all have the faith in one another to go forward .. and be real friends.!
Hugs to you all MG~
(Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:17:41 PM)
spapad wrote:
I agree with you MG~! I know that people do things here for reasons I don't understand, and that We both have fallen victim to this stuff along with a few other members. I know that people have tried to cause discord between you and me at times. I KNOW your a real person. I believe that with everything in me!
The slugs will always be here, unless registration security is stepped up I suppose, but I know who my friends are, and I know in my theroies at times I have guessed wrong, just like so many of us who seek to explain the unexplainable to ourselves.
Won't happen again, Hey jokers and shit disturbers! We know who our friends are and we are strong in numbers, We are the faithfull defenders. You will always loose!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yes the fact that we have good people out on this board, and they are true at heart, why cant people just come out here and socialize... as adults with one another, .. Not worry about who might have said what to whom... Iam tierd of it.
And its pety, Sure we all hold grudges, and there have been misunderstandings, and misinterpitations as to what people mean, or as in what they say.. but that doesnt give anyone the right to pre-judge them esp when that person themselves has been attacked, and have had people come on the board and try and screw up their relationships with others out of jealousey.
But unfornt. we have people that live to be shit disturbers, and feel that they cannot act in a humane way to others. And are jealous of other people, for whatever reason, or bothered by the fact that people can actually get along.
I wish this board was more adult based. and the adults who cannot act in a decent matter.. Need to be gone forever.
People who pretend be other people by taking a simular name to that person as in what happend to ME & JD..
and as to what is happening to SPapad. stalking, and trying to degrade the person over and over and over again..
I often wondered is it that these peope who do these things,, are there lives so empty and full of hate, that they consume themselves on a self destructive path, and then psychologicaly in their own minds blame others, for their own self rightousness and tragity..??? Sad but true if I had to disect them, this is what I see.. from a adults point of view of coming on the board.
I hope some of you read this, and understand, that I have myself have lost a few good friendships because of people doing this. And I feel it has wrecked the very respect and nature of what this board is meant for and what it is meant to be.
May you all find peace someday.. trust me it makes life alot easier!! its easier to smile, than to frown, and believe me.. the energy and time you waste on hating yourself, and others is-not worth it...
Lol, dude! that must be the all time record in editing a post! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, April 08, 2009 7:21:42 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
paaaaaaainkiller
defenders of the faith
hell with this i could be at this all night.lol
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Aww, thanks... Freeze and Guido are much to blame for that. Walking talking dictionaries.
Tho... For Normie the issue probably isnt language... Im guessing he can speak (unless he was brought up by bears - which isnt all that unlikely), he just cant read and write. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:10:15 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Exactly.... Alot of the members here speak English as a second language, I have nothing but respect for you all (Yes you too Strat ) ... Especially when I see certain people who can't even string a sentence together.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Thats right. A little backreading will reveal that there are people who have enough problems with their first language, let alone learning a second one.
devils_child wrote:
I think you need to stop insulting people who speak English as a second language..... Do you know how to speak a second language?.... If you don't...give it a try and see how hard it is. Want my opinion, I understand what Phantom is saying so I don't see why you have to make fun of him.....
And yes... I do speak a second language, So i have respect for those who try and take on something challenging.
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Seriously man, I think you need to go to the non-english speaking thread and stay there.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... Oh yes Norman you are soooooo innocent. Poor little fraggle!! You want to have help from Murray?? Shame on you, Lusche!! You was wrong in the past?? Just in the past?? You're wrong 'til the present!!
You start to ignoring people together with your Queen Roger aka Darryn!! That's the facts, Lusche!! And now you're start to crying for help like a little baby?? Try to be a man!!
Angel of Retrubution Mach 2 wrote:
MURRY ITS TIME YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SE I KEEP TO MYSELF,I WAS WRONG IN THE PAST BUT THESE PEOPLE IF THEY COME HERE FOR PRIEST DICUSSION WHY DO THEY NEED TO SEEK ME OUT ALL MY POST WERE VALID GO CHECK THEM,THEY START WITHNTHE IGNORES AND HACK INTO PEOPLES IDENDITY!
Lol. Thats right. A little backreading will reveal that there are people who have enough problems with their first language, let alone learning a second one. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, April 16, 2009 5:01:31 AM)
devils_child wrote:
I think you need to stop insulting people who speak English as a second language..... Do you know how to speak a second language?.... If you don't...give it a try and see how hard it is. Want my opinion, I understand what Phantom is saying so I don't see why you have to make fun of him.....
And yes... I do speak a second language, So i have respect for those who try and take on something challenging.
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Seriously man, I think you need to go to the non-english speaking thread and stay there.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hahahahahahahahahaha..... Oh yes Norman you are soooooo innocent. Poor little fraggle!! You want to have help from Murray?? Shame on you, Lusche!! You was wrong in the past?? Just in the past?? You're wrong 'til the present!!
You start to ignoring people together with your Queen Roger aka Darryn!! That's the facts, Lusche!! And now you're start to crying for help like a little baby?? Try to be a man!!
Angel of Retrubution Mach 2 wrote:
MURRY ITS TIME YOU LOOK AT THE BOARD AND SE I KEEP TO MYSELF,I WAS WRONG IN THE PAST BUT THESE PEOPLE IF THEY COME HERE FOR PRIEST DICUSSION WHY DO THEY NEED TO SEEK ME OUT ALL MY POST WERE VALID GO CHECK THEM,THEY START WITHNTHE IGNORES AND HACK INTO PEOPLES IDENDITY!
Well, its the times... There are just so few jobs around. I dread to think where I will find another one when this one runs out.
Well, we will both manage somehow, I guess... Now, I just have a whole shitload of stuff to do... I will have to leave for a while... Good luck! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:02:03 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Apparently Australia has one of the best welfare systems in the world... that's why we are one of the highest taxed nations in the world. It's good though, I never thought i would have trouble like this finding work.... but here I am and i needed money. My family couldn't keep supporting me.
_strat_ wrote:
Really? Thats cool. Our jerks will have to figure something like that out too...
Yeah, I imagine it will be quick. 10 applications per forthnight are bound to bring up something.
devils_child wrote:
Well the deal is with the Government... they will pay you to look for work. You have to apply for 10 jobs every fortnight and attend a job networking office (They help you find work). Usually they can get you work pretty quick. So hopefully I'll be back working very soon!
_strat_ wrote:
Aww... Afternoon? Id like that too... Beer sounds good too.
Yup, job searching is no fun... I was pretty lucky, got it on the second interview... But that was before this shit started. Hope you get one soon!
devils_child wrote:
Gooood! I got my ticket to see Flight 666 for May 5th Can't wait... I'm just sitting down chilling out with a cold beer for the afternoon. I had to put in a heap of job applications today.. Glad that's over I'm sick of writting out the same answers for all different employers.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I consider 40 to be really old. So, I dont think i have to say anything else.
Im doing fine, thanks. Just got to work half an hour ago. Hows you?
devils_child wrote:
Yep my computer is running really well now!.... If anyone was going to jump out my birthday cake it would be Steve so BLAH! .....Then again some might consider him old at 53... I don't however.
How are you anyway Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
So, you like old men jumping naked out of cakes? Personaly, that is one of the more revolting mental images of the day, but to each his own.
Really? Thats cool. Our jerks will have to figure something like that out too...
Yeah, I imagine it will be quick. 10 applications per forthnight are bound to bring up something. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:56:20 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Well the deal is with the Government... they will pay you to look for work. You have to apply for 10 jobs every fortnight and attend a job networking office (They help you find work). Usually they can get you work pretty quick. So hopefully I'll be back working very soon!
_strat_ wrote:
Aww... Afternoon? Id like that too... Beer sounds good too.
Yup, job searching is no fun... I was pretty lucky, got it on the second interview... But that was before this shit started. Hope you get one soon!
devils_child wrote:
Gooood! I got my ticket to see Flight 666 for May 5th Can't wait... I'm just sitting down chilling out with a cold beer for the afternoon. I had to put in a heap of job applications today.. Glad that's over I'm sick of writting out the same answers for all different employers.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I consider 40 to be really old. So, I dont think i have to say anything else.
Im doing fine, thanks. Just got to work half an hour ago. Hows you?
devils_child wrote:
Yep my computer is running really well now!.... If anyone was going to jump out my birthday cake it would be Steve so BLAH! .....Then again some might consider him old at 53... I don't however.
How are you anyway Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
So, you like old men jumping naked out of cakes? Personaly, that is one of the more revolting mental images of the day, but to each his own.
You two kill me! LOL Let's see Steve an old guy? not from the posterior that's for certain!
Strat! Over 40 is OLD!!! Boy, do you have alot to learn LOL.
BTW, in honor of you I Rick-Rolled Darth this evening. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I consider 40 to be really old. So, I dont think i have to say anything else.
Im doing fine, thanks. Just got to work half an hour ago. Hows you?
devils_child wrote:
Yep my computer is running really well now!.... If anyone was going to jump out my birthday cake it would be Steve so BLAH! .....Then again some might consider him old at 53... I don't however.
How are you anyway Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
So, you like old men jumping naked out of cakes? Personaly, that is one of the more revolting mental images of the day, but to each his own.
Aww... Afternoon? Id like that too... Beer sounds good too.
Yup, job searching is no fun... I was pretty lucky, got it on the second interview... But that was before this shit started. Hope you get one soon! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:46:59 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Gooood! I got my ticket to see Flight 666 for May 5th Can't wait... I'm just sitting down chilling out with a cold beer for the afternoon. I had to put in a heap of job applications today.. Glad that's over I'm sick of writting out the same answers for all different employers.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I consider 40 to be really old. So, I dont think i have to say anything else.
Im doing fine, thanks. Just got to work half an hour ago. Hows you?
devils_child wrote:
Yep my computer is running really well now!.... If anyone was going to jump out my birthday cake it would be Steve so BLAH! .....Then again some might consider him old at 53... I don't however.
How are you anyway Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
So, you like old men jumping naked out of cakes? Personaly, that is one of the more revolting mental images of the day, but to each his own.
Well, I consider 40 to be really old. So, I dont think i have to say anything else.
Im doing fine, thanks. Just got to work half an hour ago. Hows you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, April 16, 2009 1:41:18 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Yep my computer is running really well now!.... If anyone was going to jump out my birthday cake it would be Steve so BLAH! .....Then again some might consider him old at 53... I don't however.
How are you anyway Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
So, you like old men jumping naked out of cakes? Personaly, that is one of the more revolting mental images of the day, but to each his own.
Har, har, har, har! Did I say something that isnt true?
As for the recording machine, be gratefull it works now, and hope it continues. And sacrifice an IT guy to the computer gods. Oh, Darth!... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 3:47:30 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAR HAR, strat! Always with the funny business..... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Afternoon, kiddies. Busy today working on recording. I have actually gotten pretty good at this confounded machine! Still bugs me ... TODAY the damn thing completely crashed!! Screen went black, music shut off. Dead. Scared the poo out of me as I was dreading the notion of having to go into the bedroom and tell the Princess I killed the computer! She would no doubt blame my singing.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Fortunately it is working now. Still have NO idea what happened.
_strat_ wrote:
So, you would hire geeks? Why am I not surprised...
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, it is good to come home and see a stirring debate waiting for me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I am fairly certain that everyone (or nearly everyone) here knows my feelings regarding education. There are many opinions and varying schools of thought on what higher education means in this day and age but, I remain steadfast in my position that a college education is still as important today as it has always been.
There are positions that are filled by people that are not formally educated. There are people that are incredibly intelligent who do not have college credentials. In short, there is always an exception to the rule. However, with the number of folks that are looking for work nowadays, the employee-pool has taken on quite a different look than it has had in years past. Even very bright, intellectual people are out of work. When this occurs, one's education becomes increasingly important. You see, I do understand what Tim was trying to say. You want the "right" person in the position, not always the most educated. But what happens when you have more than one "right" person? What criteria is used to further define just who is most "right"?
Of course, a lot of it has to do with the job at hand. We all know that different personalities handle different jobs with different styles. Depending on what is expected, one can even further narrow the choices. It really depends on the industry and the job description. I cannot speak for those industries with which I have no experience but I do know about mine. The financial industry, for all it's current deprecation, is still an industry made up of highly skilled, highly educated individuals. If I were to interview subjects for a position and I found that I had more than one who appeared qualified, I would absolutely look at their educational background. Absolutely. An education says a lot about a person. It is not just about being "book smart". It is about dedication and perserverence. It is about hard work and ability to achieve. Sacrifice and focus. Obtaining a degree is only part of it.
Try Punk. I started out with it. Doesnt get much easier. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paperflowers from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:54:08 PM)
paperflowers wrote:
Hi guys! I am (still) a beginner guitar player and would like to play something someday. What is the easiest song in the entire world that a complete idiot can play? To date, I am completely stumped by Iron Man, Crazy Train, Sweet Child of Mine and Smells Like Teen Spirit. Maybe I need to trade the V in for a drum set?
So, you would hire geeks? Why am I not surprised... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:05:07 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, it is good to come home and see a stirring debate waiting for me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I am fairly certain that everyone (or nearly everyone) here knows my feelings regarding education. There are many opinions and varying schools of thought on what higher education means in this day and age but, I remain steadfast in my position that a college education is still as important today as it has always been.
There are positions that are filled by people that are not formally educated. There are people that are incredibly intelligent who do not have college credentials. In short, there is always an exception to the rule. However, with the number of folks that are looking for work nowadays, the employee-pool has taken on quite a different look than it has had in years past. Even very bright, intellectual people are out of work. When this occurs, one's education becomes increasingly important. You see, I do understand what Tim was trying to say. You want the "right" person in the position, not always the most educated. But what happens when you have more than one "right" person? What criteria is used to further define just who is most "right"?
Of course, a lot of it has to do with the job at hand. We all know that different personalities handle different jobs with different styles. Depending on what is expected, one can even further narrow the choices. It really depends on the industry and the job description. I cannot speak for those industries with which I have no experience but I do know about mine. The financial industry, for all it's current deprecation, is still an industry made up of highly skilled, highly educated individuals. If I were to interview subjects for a position and I found that I had more than one who appeared qualified, I would absolutely look at their educational background. Absolutely. An education says a lot about a person. It is not just about being "book smart". It is about dedication and perserverence. It is about hard work and ability to achieve. Sacrifice and focus. Obtaining a degree is only part of it.
Mhm. Could be. Graphite certainly, although the paint does look like something you could get from Photoshop (soft brush, medium opacity). But yeah, it looks cool, no matter the medium. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:54:00 PM)
spapad wrote:
Except for the background the forground is definately water color with pastel or graphite, background looks added later, but it's very cute pic! If its completely old school then it's been frisketed off in areas first background done first the forground done. I like it regardless!
_strat_ wrote:
My guess is pencil drawing that was scanned and coloured in Photoshop (or something similar). Its nice.
spapad wrote:
Nice pic Marmie, Water color and pastel for water color and graphite?
marmie wrote:
I enjoy drawing very much.
I drew this picture one day:)
This is Rob and Glenn..;);)
Umm... Lol. Sorry, wrong again. He is married. And there are pictures to prove it somewhere... If you can be bothered to look back in a ton of threads. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:49:23 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
well...If he's 53 and still lives with his mom that explains it...that's what he has enough time to be a fool....and that's why he doesn't know how to treat a lady...well...actually he doesn't know how to deal with people...
hey you!!! I'm sorry about your miserable life...I hope you do something right in the next one...
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... Hes 53. Mommy probably sits with a gun on the porch all day, and doesnt know what them fancy internet thingys are.
paorcamp wrote:
there are some things we'd never understand....how could an ass-hole be the US president (I'm talking about bush)....you see...it's a strange world....maybe mommy pays for his internet service
TIMBONI wrote:
I'll never understand why anyone would put that much energy into hate. Especially towards someone they've never even met. I might not be the nicest guy on the planet but, DAMN, that guy's a total asshole ! How the hell does someone this stupid even afford to have internet access ?
My guess is pencil drawing that was scanned and coloured in Photoshop (or something similar). Its nice. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, April 12, 2009 5:46:56 PM)
spapad wrote:
Nice pic Marmie, Water color and pastel for water color and graphite?
marmie wrote:
I enjoy drawing very much.
I drew this picture one day:)
This is Rob and Glenn..;);)
there are some things we'd never understand....how could an ass-hole be the US president (I'm talking about bush)....you see...it's a strange world....maybe mommy pays for his internet service
TIMBONI wrote:
I'll never understand why anyone would put that much energy into hate. Especially towards someone they've never even met. I might not be the nicest guy on the planet but, DAMN, that guy's a total asshole ! How the hell does someone this stupid even afford to have internet access ?
Well, how hard is that? His entire vocabulary consists of "whore, slute, cum". And thats it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, April 12, 2009 3:06:18 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!! Is it just me or do you think he just has absolutely NO grasp of the English language? Strat, YOU are 1000x better and smarter!
What an embarrassment to himself and, sadly, our state of affairs in terms of education as a nation.
This is my Campaign to see that Mr. Francis is our most Respected Member, as should be! Come on Everyone! Friend him!JudasPriest WebMaster Edited at: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:31:06 PM Edited at: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:34:32 PM
Too bad. That would have been something to see... Well, as you said, maybe next time.
Sry to have to go so soon... But it will be dinner time for me soon. See you all later. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:20:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
The guy that was trying to help me does not work today and I have no way to contact the person that runs the tour...can't find the right palm to grease, as it were.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, thats a shame! Why arent you going?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!! I hardly think so! Anyway, it does not appear that I will be getting on the tour so......maybe next time!
_strat_ wrote:
I did now (backread a bit...) lol. Great one! I just wonder, will the ghosts appear for such a sceptic?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes, we are still here. Having a great time! Great to see you again! I take it you have not read about my little "scheme" to get on Alcatraz at night??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Reminds me of me, actualy.
So... You still in San Francisco? Sry... Havent been on much lately.
Deep Freeze wrote:
And so begins another day!! The Princess is still buried somewhere in those sheets and blankets!! I may have to chance rousting her as I am getting hungry! Still, I might have to re-think that as there is nothing quite as dangerous as a freshly-wakened Princess....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is not true! We making new jet fighter to conquer the assholes Kmaciastan! They drop rocks on Tim! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:14:36 AM)
spapad wrote:
OK thank you ruler of fallen country Statistan!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Yup, I know. Thats why I am so good to come back, so you wont miss me too much.
spapad wrote:
Good Morning Strat, we've missed you!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Reminds me of me, actualy.
So... You still in San Francisco? Sry... Havent been on much lately.
Deep Freeze wrote:
And so begins another day!! The Princess is still buried somewhere in those sheets and blankets!! I may have to chance rousting her as I am getting hungry! Still, I might have to re-think that as there is nothing quite as dangerous as a freshly-wakened Princess....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, thats a shame! Why arent you going? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 11, 2009 11:14:28 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!! I hardly think so! Anyway, it does not appear that I will be getting on the tour so......maybe next time!
_strat_ wrote:
I did now (backread a bit...) lol. Great one! I just wonder, will the ghosts appear for such a sceptic?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes, we are still here. Having a great time! Great to see you again! I take it you have not read about my little "scheme" to get on Alcatraz at night??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Reminds me of me, actualy.
So... You still in San Francisco? Sry... Havent been on much lately.
Deep Freeze wrote:
And so begins another day!! The Princess is still buried somewhere in those sheets and blankets!! I may have to chance rousting her as I am getting hungry! Still, I might have to re-think that as there is nothing quite as dangerous as a freshly-wakened Princess....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So... You still in San Francisco? Sry... Havent been on much lately.
Deep Freeze wrote:
And so begins another day!! The Princess is still buried somewhere in those sheets and blankets!! I may have to chance rousting her as I am getting hungry! Still, I might have to re-think that as there is nothing quite as dangerous as a freshly-wakened Princess....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, we are still here. Having a great time! Great to see you again! I take it you have not read about my little "scheme" to get on Alcatraz at night??
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Reminds me of me, actualy.
So... You still in San Francisco? Sry... Havent been on much lately.
Deep Freeze wrote:
And so begins another day!! The Princess is still buried somewhere in those sheets and blankets!! I may have to chance rousting her as I am getting hungry! Still, I might have to re-think that as there is nothing quite as dangerous as a freshly-wakened Princess....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And so begins another day!! The Princess is still buried somewhere in those sheets and blankets!! I may have to chance rousting her as I am getting hungry! Still, I might have to re-think that as there is nothing quite as dangerous as a freshly-wakened Princess....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
actualy further east than that. probably a days drive from there.
5 days from here. give or take
here is one for ya "come here till I brush your hair"
WTF, you want me to walk towards you untill you start brushing my hair, or untill you finish. come here till I??
wife picked that up from her hillbilly friend
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, so its Soys language? Thats why I never understand what hes talking aboot!
Head banger wrote:
Strat, I have never said oot. well, now I have typed it once. its a more eastern thing.
_strat_ wrote:
Thats because you dont try. I know that there is an expert speller somewhere in there waiting to get out.
Yeah, but you say "oot", dont you?
Head banger wrote:
colour is english, centre I think is english. tyre english, tire usa. there are others, I dont know them all because in canada we do colour, center and tire. and of course, I cant spell anyway. the why? damed if I know
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Ive got a question regarding the English language.
Ive noticed a couple of times now, there seems to be (at least) two ways of spelling certain things, British and American. Like colour and color (with or without the u), and center or centre. Now, I guess it aint such a big deal (although Conservapedia banns British spelling - apparently it is an "anti-American bias"), but... Can anyone tell me what is British and what is American, and are there more differences than above listed?
Cloudy and cool here in 'Frisco. Princess and I are getting ready to head out for a bit of breakfast followed by a boat cruise around the San Francisco Bay!!!!! (* ..seventy three men sailed her, to the San Francisco Bay. Got off of the ship and here's what they had to say.....*) And then, IF the weather holds, a Giants baseball game at beautiful AT&T Park!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ah, so its Soys language? Thats why I never understand what hes talking aboot! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, April 09, 2009 7:18:56 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Strat, I have never said oot. well, now I have typed it once. its a more eastern thing.
_strat_ wrote:
Thats because you dont try. I know that there is an expert speller somewhere in there waiting to get out.
Yeah, but you say "oot", dont you?
Head banger wrote:
colour is english, centre I think is english. tyre english, tire usa. there are others, I dont know them all because in canada we do colour, center and tire. and of course, I cant spell anyway. the why? damed if I know
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Ive got a question regarding the English language.
Ive noticed a couple of times now, there seems to be (at least) two ways of spelling certain things, British and American. Like colour and color (with or without the u), and center or centre. Now, I guess it aint such a big deal (although Conservapedia banns British spelling - apparently it is an "anti-American bias"), but... Can anyone tell me what is British and what is American, and are there more differences than above listed?
Yihaaa!! My auntie-mom-dad-uncle-cousin-grandma Guido is here! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, April 09, 2009 5:12:48 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I was gonna say, I reckon that you ain't never been 'round these here parts! LOL
Thanky for 'cluding Tennessee. I hear that word mor'n y'all could shake a stick at!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
That's correct Becks on all fronts. Anything you guys (non-USA) spell that ends in -our, such as humour, we leave the 'u' out. Also, there are differences in our sentence structure. You will find it extremely rare to hear an American use the word 'reckon' except in the southern portion of the USA in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Ohio (obviously not in the South, but they act like it).
Becks wrote:
I think thats the way it goes. English as a language is always evolving anyway, and it's a magpie tongue, most of our words come from other languages LOL.
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So, if I get it right, for once its not the Brits that have to be something special, its the Yanks? I mean, looks like all fmr. British colonies use British spelling, except for Americans.
Becks wrote:
Hiya Strat there are a couple of other differences I can think of, theatre being standard British spelling, theater being standad American; the use of a z in place of an s in some words in American spelling like hospitalise/hospitalize, colonise/colonize (I believe that's correct but am not 100% sure). Here in New Zealand we use British, so colour, metre, centre, colonise etc.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Ive got a question regarding the English language.
Ive noticed a couple of times now, there seems to be (at least) two ways of spelling certain things, British and American. Like colour and color (with or without the u), and center or centre. Now, I guess it aint such a big deal (although Conservapedia banns British spelling - apparently it is an "anti-American bias"), but... Can anyone tell me what is British and what is American, and are there more differences than above listed?
Yup, I noticed the "reckon". Couldnt help it, such a funny word... I hear it all the times in Brit sitcoms, but couldnt spot one in Married With Children, if my life depended on it.
That's correct Becks on all fronts. Anything you guys (non-USA) spell that ends in -our, such as humour, we leave the 'u' out. Also, there are differences in our sentence structure. You will find it extremely rare to hear an American use the word 'reckon' except in the southern portion of the USA in places like Alabama, Mississippi, Texas, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Ohio (obviously not in the South, but they act like it).
Becks wrote:
I think thats the way it goes. English as a language is always evolving anyway, and it's a magpie tongue, most of our words come from other languages LOL.
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So, if I get it right, for once its not the Brits that have to be something special, its the Yanks? I mean, looks like all fmr. British colonies use British spelling, except for Americans.
Becks wrote:
Hiya Strat there are a couple of other differences I can think of, theatre being standard British spelling, theater being standad American; the use of a z in place of an s in some words in American spelling like hospitalise/hospitalize, colonise/colonize (I believe that's correct but am not 100% sure). Here in New Zealand we use British, so colour, metre, centre, colonise etc.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Ive got a question regarding the English language.
Ive noticed a couple of times now, there seems to be (at least) two ways of spelling certain things, British and American. Like colour and color (with or without the u), and center or centre. Now, I guess it aint such a big deal (although Conservapedia banns British spelling - apparently it is an "anti-American bias"), but... Can anyone tell me what is British and what is American, and are there more differences than above listed?
Aha... So, if I get it right, for once its not the Brits that have to be something special, its the Yanks? I mean, looks like all fmr. British colonies use British spelling, except for Americans. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:31:07 AM)
Becks wrote:
Hiya Strat there are a couple of other differences I can think of, theatre being standard British spelling, theater being standad American; the use of a z in place of an s in some words in American spelling like hospitalise/hospitalize, colonise/colonize (I believe that's correct but am not 100% sure). Here in New Zealand we use British, so colour, metre, centre, colonise etc.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Ive got a question regarding the English language.
Ive noticed a couple of times now, there seems to be (at least) two ways of spelling certain things, British and American. Like colour and color (with or without the u), and center or centre. Now, I guess it aint such a big deal (although Conservapedia banns British spelling - apparently it is an "anti-American bias"), but... Can anyone tell me what is British and what is American, and are there more differences than above listed?
Ahem... Children? I`ll have you know, Guido gave his age as 13 the last time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:37:27 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Auuugh!! Guido, thou art a vile beast! Teaching children such terrible behavior!!! I feel bad for Calvin and your avian family......... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's not me..it's the sea air talking! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thats because you dont try. I know that there is an expert speller somewhere in there waiting to get out.
Yeah, but you say "oot", dont you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, April 08, 2009 5:23:39 PM)
Head banger wrote:
colour is english, centre I think is english. tyre english, tire usa. there are others, I dont know them all because in canada we do colour, center and tire. and of course, I cant spell anyway. the why? damed if I know
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... Ive got a question regarding the English language.
Ive noticed a couple of times now, there seems to be (at least) two ways of spelling certain things, British and American. Like colour and color (with or without the u), and center or centre. Now, I guess it aint such a big deal (although Conservapedia banns British spelling - apparently it is an "anti-American bias"), but... Can anyone tell me what is British and what is American, and are there more differences than above listed?
This voice..... Gawd, my toes starts to hurt 'Cause they're losing their nails!!
He needs a tattoo on his face: "Please, shoot me"!!
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!!! Oh, yes, that dancing is so suggestive... And the voice... It inspires teen pregnancy, it does!!! Not to mention that bartender in the backround... That promotes suicide!! (because I would kill myself, if I looked anything like him).
Phantom A6 wrote:
OMG!! Strat, sometimes you are so silly, man!!
Rick Astley!! You did it again!! No I'm gonna to report you to the Blademaster - Ohps... to the webmaster (Sorry Murray!!),
'Cause this is a real offensive message my friend!!
_strat_ wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ive got it!!! I know how to embed videos!!!! Now Im unstopable!!!
Thank you Guido for teaching me! Ive already conducted the first experiment... Ive Rickrolled myself through a PM... And totaly fell for it!
A lovely song comes to mind... Only I have to censor it a bit, so it wont be offensive...
You know who, you know who, riding through the night,
making sure all on internets is right,
He purges all the n00bs and feeds them to t3h 1337s, You know who, you know who, dum, dum, dum...
LOL!!! Oh, yes, that dancing is so suggestive... And the voice... It inspires teen pregnancy, it does!!! Not to mention that bartender in the backround... That promotes suicide!! (because I would kill myself, if I looked anything like him).
OMG!! Strat, sometimes you are so silly, man!!
Rick Astley!! You did it again!! No I'm gonna to report you to the Blademaster - Ohps... to the webmaster (Sorry Murray!!),
'Cause this is a real offensive message my friend!!
_strat_ wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ive got it!!! I know how to embed videos!!!! Now Im unstopable!!!
Thank you Guido for teaching me! Ive already conducted the first experiment... Ive Rickrolled myself through a PM... And totaly fell for it!
Ok... Ive got a question regarding the English language.
Ive noticed a couple of times now, there seems to be (at least) two ways of spelling certain things, British and American. Like colour and color (with or without the u), and center or centre. Now, I guess it aint such a big deal (although Conservapedia banns British spelling - apparently it is an "anti-American bias"), but... Can anyone tell me what is British and what is American, and are there more differences than above listed?
"In Memoriam"... From Hammerfall. My favourite metal instrumental. Not some amazing 1000 km/h shred, but it just has... IDK what. It just is great. No doubt, Hammerfall are the no.1 post 80s band.
Well, yeah, thats true, I guess... Maybe we shouldnt have done all that.
But... It all started when he lashed out about completly normal posts, complaining that they are offensive. If we post like we used to, you can be sure that he will continue with his nonsense.
Personaly, Im putting him on my ignore list, and I hope as many others as possible will do the same. Bring his points down, if we cant do anything else.
FINALLY! Something upon which Soy and I can agree!!! Well said!! AGAIN, I ask; Am I the ONLY one that sees what is going on around here?? He is a boor! He WANTS you to respond!!!!! If you do, HE can continue this nonsense! Worse yet, HE will get THIS Thread closed!! LET IT GO, people!! Just as Soy so eloquently put it: DON'T INTERACT WITH THEM,WHY KEEP POKING,GROW THE F#$k UP!...
Whats this?!?!?! The Roger Blade nonsense thread down, and JDs message banned. And if Im not much mistaken the black metal one? What the fuck is offensive about that? And Im pretty sure at least one of my messages disapeared. Not banned, just... Gone. WTF???
I would sure like to know why. Theres a fucktard that comes here and wants us all to obey what he tells us, even tho he doesnt have any authority whatsoever. We arent even allowed to object? Edited at: Monday, April 06, 2009 5:39:37 AM
"The leets" as in veteran internet users, since he obviously fancies himself as one. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, April 06, 2009 5:19:25 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I have to ask strat, what is "t3h 1337s"?
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I can do better, if thats what you mean.
Roger Blade, Roger Blade, riding through the night,
Making sure all on internets is right,
He purges all the noobs, and feeds them to t3h 1337s,
Roger Blade, Roger Blade, dum, dum, dum...
DelivererofEvil wrote:
Guys, take it easier... You're better than this
Phantom A6 wrote:
Yep, that's it!! And they have given away all his candys and toys to other kids!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey Roger, did your Mommy and Daddy not hug you enough (or at all) when you were a kid? Good grief! Get a life dude!
Of course. Who do you think writes all Judas Priest lyrics? You didnt think it was Rob, did you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, April 06, 2009 5:18:11 AM)
Becks wrote:
Ok I was going to stay out of this thread, but your wee rhyme made me giggle Strat lol.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I can do better, if thats what you mean.
Roger Blade, Roger Blade, riding through the night,
Making sure all on internets is right,
He purges all the noobs, and feeds them to t3h 1337s,
Roger Blade, Roger Blade, dum, dum, dum...
DelivererofEvil wrote:
Guys, take it easier... You're better than this
Phantom A6 wrote:
Yep, that's it!! And they have given away all his candys and toys to other kids!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey Roger, did your Mommy and Daddy not hug you enough (or at all) when you were a kid? Good grief! Get a life dude!
Roger Blade, Roger Blade, riding through the night,
Making sure all on internets is right,
He purges all the noobs, and feeds them to t3h 1337s,
Roger Blade, Roger Blade, dum, dum, dum... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Monday, April 06, 2009 5:12:08 AM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
Guys, take it easier... You're better than this
Phantom A6 wrote:
Yep, that's it!! And they have given away all his candys and toys to other kids!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey Roger, did your Mommy and Daddy not hug you enough (or at all) when you were a kid? Good grief! Get a life dude!
That message is offensive. It will be reported. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, April 06, 2009 5:01:26 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey Roger, did your Mommy and Daddy not hug you enough (or at all) when you were a kid? Good grief! Get a life dude!
Hey! Who is talking smack about me while I am sleeping?!?
I'll have you know that I am actually HAVING a potato for lunch today! LOL!!!! Ok, so it is a pre-washed sucker as I don't like to soil my dainty hands with anything like scrubbing but still.....
Also be it known that if I had a bod like Katie Segal, I'd never leave the house! Better yet...make me Christina Applegate!!!
devils_child wrote:
Yeah notice how Guid has all the money!!! No wonder we're eating potatos for lunch.......
Catch ya later Strat!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol!!!! Yeah, Freeze looks about right... Guido, on the other hand, looks like he is going to a Cinderella show!
Srry, got to go now... Ive been tasked with peeling the potatoes for lunch... See you later!
devils_child wrote:
Vacation.... you know they are ditching us to go see Priest.... Look, Freeze is already dressed for the occasion. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:12:20 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
What? They gave you a vacation in the shoe store? Me and Kelly...umm... Melly, want to come too! Just leave that redhead Guido at home...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my darling children..I acknowledge you. I adore you. You are my life. Please know that!!! I have been a little pre-occupied with preparations for our trip. So much to do!!!! Made up my mind to make a new start..goin' to California with an achin' in my heart.................
JD, remove that picture at once. Our glorious leader hath declared that it doesnt belong on this website. And you know our glorious Roger_Blade is never wrong, and he can make Murray kick your ass. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Roger_ Blade from Monday, April 06, 2009 12:19:41 AM)
Roger_ Blade wrote:
Lame black metal picture. Doesn't belong on this website.
As you wish, strat. Far be it from me to argue your definitive statement.
_strat_ wrote:
It is funny...
IDK... This one is different than the others, I guess. Priest fan, for one. And he isnt really offensive either. On the contrary, he thinks we are offensive... IDK, but I just cant bring myself to press the button. The only thing is this arrogance, that he expects us to do what he says... But thats hardly offensive... Just dumb.
In any case, he provoked the Sinfull collective, and we know what that means... They are a sort of a nuclear weapon.
And it still is funny.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Unfortunately, there is nothing "funny" about it at all, Susan...(my apologies). It is pathetic. People that struggle to commune with others in their "real" lives have difficulty doing the same here in the "cyber world" and yet, the opportunities to find acceptance are far greater! There is a reason he has no friends here. He does not possess even the most rudimentary social skills.
I have always preferred to believe that there is a place for everyone here among us. I want to believe that. Of course, there is always the odd loser than simply must make a name for himself through malfeasance. Why? I do not know. Perhaps an insatiable desire for some kind of superiority without substance? Perhaps a poor childhood? Clearly, the upbringing was less than sufficient as there is not even the slightest example of manners displayed. That is sad in and of itself.
He is absolutely correct, he can post wherever he wants and say almost anything. I have seen nothing that is "offensive" (other than his behavior in general) and I do not believe his urge to be noticed will dissipate anytime soon so I fear we are stuck with another thorn for a while. Ah, there must be two very proud parents somewhere in this world......
IDK... This one is different than the others, I guess. Priest fan, for one. And he isnt really offensive either. On the contrary, he thinks we are offensive... IDK, but I just cant bring myself to press the button. The only thing is this arrogance, that he expects us to do what he says... But thats hardly offensive... Just dumb.
In any case, he provoked the Sinfull collective, and we know what that means... They are a sort of a nuclear weapon.
Unfortunately, there is nothing "funny" about it at all, Susan...(my apologies). It is pathetic. People that struggle to commune with others in their "real" lives have difficulty doing the same here in the "cyber world" and yet, the opportunities to find acceptance are far greater! There is a reason he has no friends here. He does not possess even the most rudimentary social skills.
I have always preferred to believe that there is a place for everyone here among us. I want to believe that. Of course, there is always the odd loser than simply must make a name for himself through malfeasance. Why? I do not know. Perhaps an insatiable desire for some kind of superiority without substance? Perhaps a poor childhood? Clearly, the upbringing was less than sufficient as there is not even the slightest example of manners displayed. That is sad in and of itself.
He is absolutely correct, he can post wherever he wants and say almost anything. I have seen nothing that is "offensive" (other than his behavior in general) and I do not believe his urge to be noticed will dissipate anytime soon so I fear we are stuck with another thorn for a while. Ah, there must be two very proud parents somewhere in this world......
Lol! Phantom!!! I swear, if this site had kudos, Id give you 5 stars! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:32:17 AM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hey Roger, here it is!! A special place just for you!! Have fun!!
I'll post anywhere I please and its really none of your business. So stay out of it.
And that message about Rob Halford was offensive and will be reported to the webmaster.
This thread is where al the silly messages and pictures belong so post it here, not in the other threads that offer a good debate. Edited at: Sunday, April 05, 2009 9:22:30 AM
Lol!!!! Yeah, Freeze looks about right... Guido, on the other hand, looks like he is going to a Cinderella show!
Srry, got to go now... Ive been tasked with peeling the potatoes for lunch... See you later! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:31:27 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Vacation.... you know they are ditching us to go see Priest.... Look, Freeze is already dressed for the occasion. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:12:20 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
What? They gave you a vacation in the shoe store? Me and Kelly...umm... Melly, want to come too! Just leave that redhead Guido at home...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my darling children..I acknowledge you. I adore you. You are my life. Please know that!!! I have been a little pre-occupied with preparations for our trip. So much to do!!!! Made up my mind to make a new start..goin' to California with an achin' in my heart.................
Im not sure, should we go on another "report offensive message" crusade, or should we give him a shot? IDK, maybe once he gets around to posting more than 13/ 2,5 years, he could make a good member. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, April 05, 2009 4:01:22 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... I hope I dont sound to silly... But, whos this Roger Blade?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Roger Blade!!! Since you won't move your complaints here as I have suggested many times, I'll do it for you...
Sorry if we're bugging you to death, but you really have no right to tell us where we should post, especially since you haven't even been that active, just a "reader". In fact, since you were a "reader", then you should know by now that we tend to start up random conversations even when we're trying to be on-topic. We're only human, man!! So unless you're the Webmaster himself, you can't stop us. He probably would have banned us all by now, but that's not how this place works. There are no moderators on this Board. Lashing out at others won't help you achieve your goal. I suggest you apologize, post your general grievance somewhere else (the pissed off thread might help), and post what YOU feel will better the state of this Noticeboard. The only thing that won't be tolerated here is your attacking others.
What? They gave you a vacation in the shoe store? Me and Kelly...umm... Melly, want to come too! Just leave that redhead Guido at home... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, April 04, 2009 7:47:54 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my darling children..I acknowledge you. I adore you. You are my life. Please know that!!! I have been a little pre-occupied with preparations for our trip. So much to do!!!! Made up my mind to make a new start..goin' to California with an achin' in my heart.................
Umm... I hope I dont sound to silly... But, whos this Roger Blade? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, April 04, 2009 9:29:33 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Roger Blade!!! Since you won't move your complaints here as I have suggested many times, I'll do it for you...
Sorry if we're bugging you to death, but you really have no right to tell us where we should post, especially since you haven't even been that active, just a "reader". In fact, since you were a "reader", then you should know by now that we tend to start up random conversations even when we're trying to be on-topic. We're only human, man!! So unless you're the Webmaster himself, you can't stop us. He probably would have banned us all by now, but that's not how this place works. There are no moderators on this Board. Lashing out at others won't help you achieve your goal. I suggest you apologize, post your general grievance somewhere else (the pissed off thread might help), and post what YOU feel will better the state of this Noticeboard. The only thing that won't be tolerated here is your attacking others.
Thats exactly what Im afraid of. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Saturday, April 04, 2009 4:06:36 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Well he is the more intelligent of the two.......
_strat_ wrote:
You think so? I wouldnt count on it. He still hasnt acknowleged us.
devils_child wrote:
Strat, Guido is a bad parent..... Maybe Freeze will be a little kinder..
_strat_ wrote:
Squire, eh? You wouldnt even want your kids to have an original Fender?
guidogodoy wrote:
Plunder nothin'! Strat already GOT his!!! Not my fault if the mail is slow in all y'alls parts of the world. Plus, watch it...Calvin is vicious. Protects his master and his guitars.
devils_child wrote:
Oh, sorry for the mistake (Let's blame the Yankie parents)... your 20?.... I'm good at being an older sister. I reckon we sue them for all they have..... let's plunder Guid's guitar collection!!! Bwahahaa!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the Yanks for you... Divide and conquer. What about we sue them for 20 years worth of allowance?
Oh, and you have a younger European brother...
devils_child wrote:
Call me Melly..... I always wanted an older European brother.... how dare they keep us apart! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17:02 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I know. Theyre sneaky bastards, arent they?
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly?
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Strat, Guido is a bad parent..... Maybe Freeze will be a little kinder..
_strat_ wrote:
Squire, eh? You wouldnt even want your kids to have an original Fender?
guidogodoy wrote:
Plunder nothin'! Strat already GOT his!!! Not my fault if the mail is slow in all y'alls parts of the world. Plus, watch it...Calvin is vicious. Protects his master and his guitars.
devils_child wrote:
Oh, sorry for the mistake (Let's blame the Yankie parents)... your 20?.... I'm good at being an older sister. I reckon we sue them for all they have..... let's plunder Guid's guitar collection!!! Bwahahaa!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the Yanks for you... Divide and conquer. What about we sue them for 20 years worth of allowance?
Oh, and you have a younger European brother...
devils_child wrote:
Call me Melly..... I always wanted an older European brother.... how dare they keep us apart! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17:02 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I know. Theyre sneaky bastards, arent they?
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly?
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Squire, eh? You wouldnt even want your kids to have an original Fender? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, April 03, 2009 11:25:11 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Plunder nothin'! Strat already GOT his!!! Not my fault if the mail is slow in all y'alls parts of the world. Plus, watch it...Calvin is vicious. Protects his master and his guitars.
devils_child wrote:
Oh, sorry for the mistake (Let's blame the Yankie parents)... your 20?.... I'm good at being an older sister. I reckon we sue them for all they have..... let's plunder Guid's guitar collection!!! Bwahahaa!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the Yanks for you... Divide and conquer. What about we sue them for 20 years worth of allowance?
Oh, and you have a younger European brother...
devils_child wrote:
Call me Melly..... I always wanted an older European brother.... how dare they keep us apart! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17:02 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I know. Theyre sneaky bastards, arent they?
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly?
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
And just what is all this chatter about me??? Can't a guy get a little sleep without having his name and imagine thrown about and dragged through the mud????????? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and I love you too, guido!!!! My lil snoogie woogie...................HAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
Maybe shes afraid of a homicidal maniac with a lightsabre? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:45:48 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
And where did DC slink off too? Here kitty kitty kitty!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Come here boy! You're about to learn yourselves some manners!
_strat_ wrote:
No! You cant! Im telling pa!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
And you conspired...which makes you an accessory! Now drop and give me 40 soldier!
_strat_ wrote:
She started!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Now kids...behave yourselves or Uncle Darth will take his lightsaber to your posterior!
devils_child wrote:
Oh, sorry for the mistake (Let's blame the Yankie parents)... your 20?.... I'm good at being an older sister. I reckon we sue them for all they have..... let's plunder Guid's guitar collection!!! Bwahahaa!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the Yanks for you... Divide and conquer. What about we sue them for 20 years worth of allowance?
Oh, and you have a younger European brother...
devils_child wrote:
Call me Melly..... I always wanted an older European brother.... how dare they keep us apart! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17:02 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I know. Theyre sneaky bastards, arent they?
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly?
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Upon carefull and long reading of Marxist literature, I have decided that your comment is reactionary, fascist, and makes baby Stalin cry. You will be purged. Resistance is futile.
You can't have royalties if you're a socialist....it would have to be redistributed equally among everyone else associated with the project, ala Barack O-boobie...I mean, Obama.
_strat_ wrote:
Weeellll.... Maybe you could make something like VH1s "Supergroup", or whatever was it called, with the other Faithfull Defenders? Like, you go, write some music, MM plays some, you sing some, and at the end of each show, you would write a report in the project thread. And, as a filler, we could put the car thing in.
You got a camera? I think we are on to something here... I get the royalties, of course. For my idea. And you wouldnt even need to but the Osbourne brats in.
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!!!! Talk about lack of talent and relevance!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really could not disagree with you more, my friend!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jimmyjames wrote:
A reality show about you would be a crack-up. The episode where your car got damaged at christmas would have been Emmy winning reality tv.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well said, JJ. And almost entirely accurate! I mean, it would take an absolute nimrod to actually watch that crap more than a few seconds. I guess it all comes down to commerce. If you can sell it and get enough people to buy it, you make money. Talent, relevance, intelligence and substance are clearly optional..in fact, NOT required. There is NOTHING even marginally interesting about Kelly Osbourne. Ah well, I suppose that is a good example of why I am not in television. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jimmyjames wrote:
They do it because it's the cheapest way to make television, you could make 20 reality shows for the price of one regular tv show. They don't need to hire any actors, scriptwriters, cameramen etc. Just find a fuckwit like Tommy Lee and follow him round for a few days coming up with ridiculous contrived situations and film them on a video camera. Get some second rate editor to piece it all together and bingo, tv show. The great thing about it is there are millions of retarded people out there who will watch this shit. My favourite reality show is Jack Osbourne: Fat, Four-Eyed, Pig Faced, Trust Fund Baby.
No! You cant! Im telling pa! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:40:09 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
And you conspired...which makes you an accessory! Now drop and give me 40 soldier!
_strat_ wrote:
She started!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Now kids...behave yourselves or Uncle Darth will take his lightsaber to your posterior!
devils_child wrote:
Oh, sorry for the mistake (Let's blame the Yankie parents)... your 20?.... I'm good at being an older sister. I reckon we sue them for all they have..... let's plunder Guid's guitar collection!!! Bwahahaa!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the Yanks for you... Divide and conquer. What about we sue them for 20 years worth of allowance?
Oh, and you have a younger European brother...
devils_child wrote:
Call me Melly..... I always wanted an older European brother.... how dare they keep us apart! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17:02 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I know. Theyre sneaky bastards, arent they?
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly?
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Now kids...behave yourselves or Uncle Darth will take his lightsaber to your posterior!
devils_child wrote:
Oh, sorry for the mistake (Let's blame the Yankie parents)... your 20?.... I'm good at being an older sister. I reckon we sue them for all they have..... let's plunder Guid's guitar collection!!! Bwahahaa!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the Yanks for you... Divide and conquer. What about we sue them for 20 years worth of allowance?
Oh, and you have a younger European brother...
devils_child wrote:
Call me Melly..... I always wanted an older European brother.... how dare they keep us apart! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17:02 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I know. Theyre sneaky bastards, arent they?
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly?
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
In any case, I agree, sue their asses off. I have already picked the guitar. You want a new car? Freeze has one, help yourself...
Damit, where is Freeze when we need him? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:30:27 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Oh, sorry for the mistake (Let's blame the Yankie parents)... your 20?.... I'm good at being an older sister. I reckon we sue them for all they have..... let's plunder Guid's guitar collection!!! Bwahahaa!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats the Yanks for you... Divide and conquer. What about we sue them for 20 years worth of allowance?
Oh, and you have a younger European brother...
devils_child wrote:
Call me Melly..... I always wanted an older European brother.... how dare they keep us apart! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17:02 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I know. Theyre sneaky bastards, arent they?
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly?
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Well, thats the Yanks for you... Divide and conquer. What about we sue them for 20 years worth of allowance?
Oh, and you have a younger European brother... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:21:39 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Call me Melly..... I always wanted an older European brother.... how dare they keep us apart! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:17:02 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, I know. Theyre sneaky bastards, arent they?
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly?
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Wow!! Very cheap indeed. A friend of mine payed some 2000€ (cant remember if it was with or withour the registration) for an old Clio. And I dont think they get much cheaper than that over here.
Thankfully, my car is a lot bigger and only costs me 17€/month... And I dont even have to drive it myself. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:19:53 AM)
devils_child wrote:
In Euro's it would be 371.906....Cheap yeah?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Australian dollars dont tell much to me (just say, if you know, is 1 Ausie $ more or less than the US$?), but I guess that isnt much. Nice, getting a cool car that you like for a low price.
Oh, and I believe you... Infact, I take your word for it! Lol... Srry... Youre dealing with my evil side today...
devils_child wrote:
That paint loss came with the car.... it cost $ 700 Australian dollars at an auction maybe it was eviedence in a crime?.... The only thing i did wrong in that car was scatch the right side door reversing out the driveway. I've never had a crash, i'm a pretty safe driver.. believe it or not!!! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:05:22 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Nice. Wish I had one too. Just with a proper steering wheel, of course.
Just wondering... The scratch above the front left wheel. Was it another car, a light post, or a pedestrian?
devils_child wrote:
Yep...Here's my baby.... called her Snoopy...... had so many good times in that car
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAA! Mazda hatchback? I honestly had NO idea that they reached your land. An '85 to boot. Too funny.
Now I have to find photos of my first real car (crashed Mom's Pontiac). A Ford Capri! I swear, hatchback. I tinted the window in back (chick magnet! ) and it looked just like a Mustang ... save the engine. LOL!!!
Get it past 50 MPH or so and it felt like it was going to shake apart!
I always wanted an older sister to wind up! Mind if I call you Kelly? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:14:57 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Soooooo you're my long lost brother!!! Guid and Freeze would never open up about it...... *hugs*.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family!
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Well, Australian dollars dont tell much to me (just say, if you know, is 1 Ausie $ more or less than the US$?), but I guess that isnt much. Nice, getting a cool car that you like for a low price.
Oh, and I believe you... Infact, I take your word for it! Lol... Srry... Youre dealing with my evil side today...
That paint loss came with the car.... it cost $ 700 Australian dollars at an auction maybe it was eviedence in a crime?.... The only thing i did wrong in that car was scatch the right side door reversing out the driveway. I've never had a crash, i'm a pretty safe driver.. believe it or not!!! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:05:22 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Nice. Wish I had one too. Just with a proper steering wheel, of course.
Just wondering... The scratch above the front left wheel. Was it another car, a light post, or a pedestrian?
devils_child wrote:
Yep...Here's my baby.... called her Snoopy...... had so many good times in that car
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAA! Mazda hatchback? I honestly had NO idea that they reached your land. An '85 to boot. Too funny.
Now I have to find photos of my first real car (crashed Mom's Pontiac). A Ford Capri! I swear, hatchback. I tinted the window in back (chick magnet! ) and it looked just like a Mustang ... save the engine. LOL!!!
Get it past 50 MPH or so and it felt like it was going to shake apart!
Ah, in that case, I can reveal that we are siblings. Welcome to the family! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 5:05:04 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Shhhhhhh Dammit!!!!! That was supposed to be a secret!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring.
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Nice. Wish I had one too. Just with a proper steering wheel, of course.
Just wondering... The scratch above the front left wheel. Was it another car, a light post, or a pedestrian? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:54:57 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Yep...Here's my baby.... called her Snoopy...... had so many good times in that car
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAA! Mazda hatchback? I honestly had NO idea that they reached your land. An '85 to boot. Too funny.
Now I have to find photos of my first real car (crashed Mom's Pontiac). A Ford Capri! I swear, hatchback. I tinted the window in back (chick magnet! ) and it looked just like a Mustang ... save the engine. LOL!!!
Get it past 50 MPH or so and it felt like it was going to shake apart!
Lol... Well, slap your forehead... I dont want to know what they are slaping.
Btw... I have a hunch that you might be their offspring. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:57:10 AM)
devils_child wrote:
*Slaps forehead*..... Geeeeezzzz.... you didn't know that Strat!? .....
_strat_ wrote:
So... Youre the princess?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
HAAA! I say that it is 4:30 in the morn here, I will NEVER take you to Brazil to see the beauty that is the Pedra da Itapuca and that I am comfortable in my sexuality.
I love Deep Freeze. There shall be no others. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, April 03, 2009 4:26:53 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Hey, hey, hey!!! Dont you dare play nice with me, mister! I just exposed homophobia and perverse symbolism in your post! What have you got to say for yourself? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, April 03, 2009 3:53:27 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAAA!!!!! As I say, this site is both fun and informational! Good to know when a Serbo-Croat is offending me! LOL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Pedra? You know, if you strip away the a, you get the Serbo-Croat slang for "Fag". And that rock has a strangely phallic feeling to it...
Am I a vile base creature now?
guidogodoy wrote:
Changing topics (you vile and base creatures disrupting my enjoyment of the Rio bootleg), this is my view most summers in Brazil.
Pedra da Itapuca (rock = pedra). That flying saucer in the background is a modern art museum in Niteroi, RJ.
Ahem... No, never. Ever. Even if they begged me. I... I am not a sodomite. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, April 03, 2009 3:32:01 AM)
Becks wrote:
Not my house either.............Straaaaaaaaaat...............??? hehehe
devils_child wrote:
*looks around suspiciously*.....Nope, not happening in my house tonight.
Becks wrote:
That is true. It could be happening somewhere in the world, right now.................................hmmmm..........................LOL.
devils_child wrote:
Well i guess the situation must have arisen somewhere, sometime during a threesome?
Becks wrote:
LOL hmmm interesting mental image...............................or is it LOL!
devils_child wrote:
What the hell would they be doing on top of a 69?..... ohhhh...... wait.
_strat_ wrote:
169... Which means that there is someone really skinny on top.
guidogodoy wrote:
Heh heh...you said 69....
_strat_ wrote:
So, hes 169?
Becks wrote:
LMAO Guido, don't you mean 13 squared?
guidogodoy wrote:
Me!!! I am 13!
devils_child wrote:
I would like to know who the youngest member is..... ? I'm 21... let's start with that.. I know Vail is younger.
Lol... The silicon valley might be the place to look. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 3:30:28 AM)
devils_child wrote:
*looks around suspiciously*.....Nope, not happening in my house tonight.
Becks wrote:
That is true. It could be happening somewhere in the world, right now.................................hmmmm..........................LOL.
devils_child wrote:
Well i guess the situation must have arisen somewhere, sometime during a threesome?
Becks wrote:
LOL hmmm interesting mental image...............................or is it LOL!
devils_child wrote:
What the hell would they be doing on top of a 69?..... ohhhh...... wait.
_strat_ wrote:
169... Which means that there is someone really skinny on top.
guidogodoy wrote:
Heh heh...you said 69....
_strat_ wrote:
So, hes 169?
Becks wrote:
LMAO Guido, don't you mean 13 squared?
guidogodoy wrote:
Me!!! I am 13!
devils_child wrote:
I would like to know who the youngest member is..... ? I'm 21... let's start with that.. I know Vail is younger.
Btw. The quote below is not mine... I think MG came up with it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Friday, April 03, 2009 3:23:49 AM)
Becks wrote:
LOL Strat! I used to get told off as a kid for laughing when people tripped over
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, yes. You know what they say... "Its all fun and games, till someone gets hurt. Then its hillarious."
Becks wrote:
Bad Strat, you shouldn't condone silly behaviour!
Who am I kidding, it's fun being silly
_strat_ wrote:
Soooo.... Youre bored, and you want to make fun of Guido... For shame.
Im in.
Becks wrote:
LOL! Maybe! Yes I am bored on a friday night lol!
_strat_ wrote:
So, hes 169?
Becks wrote:
LMAO Guido, don't you mean 13 squared?
guidogodoy wrote:
Me!!! I am 13!
devils_child wrote:
I would like to know who the youngest member is..... ? I'm 21... let's start with that.. I know Vail is younger.
169... Which means that there is someone really skinny on top. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, April 03, 2009 3:20:03 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Heh heh...you said 69....
_strat_ wrote:
So, hes 169?
Becks wrote:
LMAO Guido, don't you mean 13 squared?
guidogodoy wrote:
Me!!! I am 13!
devils_child wrote:
I would like to know who the youngest member is..... ? I'm 21... let's start with that.. I know Vail is younger.
Seriously? I thought you were older. Not much, just a bit.
Me, Im 19, will be 20 in less than a month...
I think, tho, that Vail and Bazooka Joe are younger... Also Kmac, but hes been MIA for so long, Im not even sure I can count him (Kmac, if youre reading this... Come back). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, April 03, 2009 3:01:16 AM)
devils_child wrote:
I would like to know who the youngest member is..... ? I'm 21... let's start with that.. I know Vail is younger.
Gah!!! I dont know who to be pissed at more... Louis, for doing stupid shit, or FIA for watching his every move and looking for the tiniest screw-up. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Thursday, April 02, 2009 10:38:53 AM)
TIMBONI wrote:
KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia (AP) -- Defending Formula One champion Lewis Hamilton was disqualified from the Australian Grand Prix on Thursday for giving misleading evidence to race stewards.
The McLaren driver was awarded third place after the season-opening race in Melbourne last weekend when stewards ruled Toyota's Jarno Trulli breached regulations by passing Hamilton during a safety car period.
Trulli was reinstated to his original third-place finish, while Hamilton and McLaren were excluded from the results and receive no points.
Weeellll.... Maybe you could make something like VH1s "Supergroup", or whatever was it called, with the other Faithfull Defenders? Like, you go, write some music, MM plays some, you sing some, and at the end of each show, you would write a report in the project thread. And, as a filler, we could put the car thing in.
You got a camera? I think we are on to something here... I get the royalties, of course. For my idea. And you wouldnt even need to but the Osbourne brats in. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:47:57 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!!!!! Talk about lack of talent and relevance!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really could not disagree with you more, my friend!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jimmyjames wrote:
A reality show about you would be a crack-up. The episode where your car got damaged at christmas would have been Emmy winning reality tv.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well said, JJ. And almost entirely accurate! I mean, it would take an absolute nimrod to actually watch that crap more than a few seconds. I guess it all comes down to commerce. If you can sell it and get enough people to buy it, you make money. Talent, relevance, intelligence and substance are clearly optional..in fact, NOT required. There is NOTHING even marginally interesting about Kelly Osbourne. Ah well, I suppose that is a good example of why I am not in television. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jimmyjames wrote:
They do it because it's the cheapest way to make television, you could make 20 reality shows for the price of one regular tv show. They don't need to hire any actors, scriptwriters, cameramen etc. Just find a fuckwit like Tommy Lee and follow him round for a few days coming up with ridiculous contrived situations and film them on a video camera. Get some second rate editor to piece it all together and bingo, tv show. The great thing about it is there are millions of retarded people out there who will watch this shit. My favourite reality show is Jack Osbourne: Fat, Four-Eyed, Pig Faced, Trust Fund Baby.
Aha... I looked it up... Just goes to show that Canuck is one weird language.
Yup... From what I get it has something to do with enviromentalism? Maybe they want to make up for all those emmissions that went into the air when Lauda crashed? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Thursday, April 02, 2009 6:13:08 AM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
He means "KERS"!!
_strat_ wrote:
Currs? Sorry, no idea what that is.
I did read somewhere that they allowed something new on the front wings, although they generaly made the rules regarding wings stricter. But... They lifted the ban on slick tyres from 1998.
Lol... Yup, reallity shows suck. Nope, no time for good sitcoms or decent movies, all they play is reallity shows... And South American soaps... No wonder Youtube and Google Video are so popular. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, April 01, 2009 4:09:55 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yeah, this damn thing was worse than ANY "reality" show I have EVER seen! I am not even sure what to call it??!?! A "variety" show? A "talk" show? A DISASTER?!!?!?!!!!!!! GAWD! It was simply awful. You know, I expect this nonsense from of MTV. They are brainless anyway..but FOX???!?!? A network??? Granted, they are not NBC but, for the love of Pete!!! There has GOT to be someone employed there that has a brain cell left that functions??!?!?! There was NOTHING even close to redeemable about this mess. Worst thing I have ever witnessed. (And that includes "My Boys"....) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
LMAO Freeze I watched a total of 6 minutes of the new Osborne show, and changed the channel. I ended up watching a documentary on Gene therapy and DNA profiles...LOL
I saw the part where they were working in that fast food resturaunt. thought it was stupid and changed the channel to something a little more educational.
I totally agree with you! could television get any lower.. Iam so sick of thes so-called reality shows also.
MG~
Deep Freeze wrote:
OOOOOKAAAAAAYYYYY...Did anyone besides me bother watching that train wreck of a show, "Osbournes Reloaded" last night? I mean, WHAT THE F#@&??????????????????????????? Just when I was certain that television had bottomed out, the nimrods at FOX put brain-dead Ozzy and his "classy" family on NETWORK TV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!!!!!! It was the most God-Awful piece of CRAP I have ever witnessed!!!!!!!
These people are NOT funny. They are not entertaining. They are IDIOTS. It was bad enough when TV Land decided to try ther hand at pathetic "reality" shows like High School Reunion and The Cougar, but this garbage is just horrible!!!!!! I must ask once again, WHO is making the fuc*&%# decisions at these stations???? Is THIS what we have for TV producers??????? AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!! Absolutely HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I did read somewhere that they allowed something new on the front wings, although they generaly made the rules regarding wings stricter. But... They lifted the ban on slick tyres from 1998. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:56:03 PM)
What on earth has youtube have to do with it? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, April 01, 2009 10:15:41 AM)
Head banger wrote:
well, I wasnt thinking of april fools, but since I cant get youtube here, I cant get tricked. infact I have to go now.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... I guess the best thing to do is just wait till tomorrow... Or something. This April Fools sure can be annoying... For the victims. I guess I can count myself lucky that no one targeted me this year... For now, anyway.
Head banger wrote:
well, could be. or could not be telling me off at all. but in general, you see posts, you dont know if the person is calling you an ass, or just being funny.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe hes telling you off in a funny way?
Head banger wrote:
pissing me off. trying to figure out tone in an email or post. was the person trying to be funny, or realy telling you off? do they think your a good person or an ass? damn things.
Well... I guess the best thing to do is just wait till tomorrow... Or something. This April Fools sure can be annoying... For the victims. I guess I can count myself lucky that no one targeted me this year... For now, anyway. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:26:58 AM)
Head banger wrote:
well, could be. or could not be telling me off at all. but in general, you see posts, you dont know if the person is calling you an ass, or just being funny.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe hes telling you off in a funny way?
Head banger wrote:
pissing me off. trying to figure out tone in an email or post. was the person trying to be funny, or realy telling you off? do they think your a good person or an ass? damn things.
Oh, yeah, be sure to crank it up... Srry... Its just that the sound quality is not good. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, April 01, 2009 9:48:58 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
JUDAS PRIEST TO RELEASE A NEW LIVE ALBUM!!!!
Just found out on youtube (here). Apparently, it will be coming out this fall...
lmao! sorry girls my computer is f++++ killing me!!!
two words will describe it...
FUCKIN AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
fIRST TIME i SAW eDDIE COMING OUT....... SPEACHLESS......
that's not a vid of mine.... I didn' bring my camera lots of stealing going on......
it was amaizing... I'll post a vid of wasted years..... I'm so happy!!! LOL the only bad thing is tht I missed aces high and
2 minutes to midnigh FUCK THE ORGINIZERS!!!! I fucink hate them....
i'llpost some vids for you girls.....
devils_child wrote:
Adri.... the suspense is killing me! LOL.. She's either making some huge post, or has collapsed on the keyboard.
Maybe hes telling you off in a funny way? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:10:34 AM)
Head banger wrote:
pissing me off. trying to figure out tone in an email or post. was the person trying to be funny, or realy telling you off? do they think your a good person or an ass? damn things.
Lol... Sorry, would love too, but it would be waaaaaay beyond my budget. In any case, we probably wont even qualify, and then it wont really be a point for me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by joedraper from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:31:02 PM)
joedraper wrote:
Yes! It is in South Africa!! And they're building all these rad stadiums so when 2010 is over I fully expect a metal asault on this country! lol
And.. might I say, should any of you fine people be coming to any matches you are most welcome to come and hang out with me!!! I'll show you round my City!! You'll fall in love with it just like I did!!!
_strat_ wrote:
South Africa.
Yeah, I wish for a good one too. Then again, its three games per day in the first part, so theres bound to be some good ones.
Head banger wrote:
where is the world cup next year? wish I could watch a decent game. I think Canada is already out, and nothing international gets televised
_strat_ wrote:
No, he was supposed to hug a tree and meditate. What were you thinking?
Oh, and I have to admit that I didnt observe the whole thing... But I have a good excuse - World Cup 2010 qualifying match, our boys vs. the Czechs... Earth will have to understand.
Head banger wrote:
your baby boom coments earlier sugested a similar strategy.
but sleep conserves all kinds of energy
_strat_ wrote:
Thats cheating!
Deep Freeze wrote:
All very good ideas, my dear. I hold no particular aversion to saving energy. I really do not. As I mentioned, we did our part and it was no big deal. I was asleep anyway!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
I actually thought it was kinda a neat idea.. I mean to see how many cities and how many people would particicpate.
I had every light off, the only thing I had on was the TV, and the computer..
We use energy eff lightbulbs here in the house and I recycle as much as I can. I have the recycle grocrey bags even.
Really? Damn... I live about 10 km from work, and it only takes me about 45 mins. And thats about 15 mins walking from home to station/from station to work. I am lucky, tho, that the bus line is the same, so I dont have to switch.
In any case... Buses are really the only public transport here, so there are at least a lot of them. Maybe we should get trams, IDK. But public transport is my choice if not for anything else, for the price. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 1:12:56 PM)
Head banger wrote:
its not bad, people just dont take into account the manufacturing and pat themselfs on the back for saving the world. in reality, the car uses little fuel, but the production of the car uses a ton of energy. hopefully as it goes along it will get beter.
bus is no good here. I live 15km from work, and its not posible to take any combination of busses to within 1 km of here. to be a 2 km walk involves 4 buses, with 2 different transit authorities, and 2 hours 47 minutes, if all goes well. then going home, I think I would miss the last bus anyway and be screwed.
_strat_ wrote:
I did. Not with a calculator, but it must be some 4$.
Prius not that good, eh? Well, I wish I could be surprised... As far as Im concerned, the bus still rocks my world. Burns fuel, yes, but much less than there would be if all passangers would drive their cars.
Head banger wrote:
you do realize that you need to take into consideration the energy that goes into production, right? the Prius uses way more energy to produce than a Suburban (look it up, its as big as most european houses)
to convert euro/l to $/G convert your currency, dunno the exchange. to a US Galon there is 3.88 L
SWR, the reason we dont use metal is it is heavier, and more costly. in a car, you want some parts to break in a colision to absorb energy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, we are at around 1€/litre (which must be somewhere around 4$/gallon), and Germany is even higher than that, I think. And even tho theres a reccesion, and wages have never been particulary good (they average at around 800€/month).... People still burn fossil fuel. IDK, they would have to really raise the prices of fuel sky-high to stop people from driving... A cent here and there simply wont do, and certainly wont make us all buy electric cars.
I guess that things like that electric car, or even compromises like the Prius are a good step forward, but... With all the millions of cars in the world, and so many millions of people who work in the industry (not only car manufacture, but fuel production too), those steps must be small and gradual, or everything will fall apart.
SadWingsRaging wrote:
It seems that a lot of the trash produced these days is the absolute JUNK foisted off on us called consumer goods made it China. Do they even have quality controll for most of the crap they make? & WHY THE HELL CAN WE NOT MAKE MORE STUFF OUT OF METAL?!?! It lasts longer, breaks less, & does NOT photodegrade! Given the choice of something that is made of decent steel/aluminum/alloy over plastic I for one would pay a 3 times more for it rather than some piece of crap that breaks & ends up in the garbage after falling apart then being wrapped around a tree in frustration.
Are we warming the earth? I have to believe the glaciers on this one. Do I think it is as big a deal as some have made of it? Probably not but I would prefer to error on the side of caution & reduce it a bit. There is no reason we can not produce & sell electric cars here in the states.
Not bad looking, good performance, WAY fewer moving parts to go wrong. It is a bit pricy but all new technology is. Remember when the VCR/Betamax first came out it was over $1,000 for a few years. Give these guys 5 years of Mfg. & setting up dealers across the nation & the prices will drop a good bit. Let the gas prices jump back up to $4 a gallon or even worse give us european petro prices & people will be fist fighting for these things at the dealers.
If you ask me why we do not have a fully electric car for a daily commute car it is because the big 3/ nipponese/ euro car mfg. executives have not made a bigger push for them is that they have so much personaly invested in oil it is not in their & their buddies interest to produce them.
It is a LONG way off before we can totaly do away with gas/diesel motors for heavy loads or long distance travel but there is NO REASON why there are no safe fully electric 200 mile range cars on the road that plug into your 110/220 home outlet.
I personaly am not sold on the whole hydrogen thing mainly due to the whole hindenburg thing. Highly explosive gas under high pressure with some of the idiots out there on the road equals crispy critters, yeah gas is explosive but it is NOT under high pressure, not to mention you STILL have to go to the pump & pay the same people you pay now for gas. I had just as soon take them out of the loop & our wallet. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:14:01 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if I can play the devils advocate here...
Most activists come from N. America and Europe, and are pressing their governments to do something about it... Which stands to reason, specialy since we all know that Chinese wont be swayed by anything. They dont listen to protesters, they run them down with tanks, as we have witnessed before.
That, and if we forget about the industry for a while, it also stands to reason that we in Europe and N. America should be more carefull about our trash, since we consume more shit, and produce more trash.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
*SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
Head banger wrote:
the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either.
Thank you guys!! We just got back a bit ago and she is resting comfortably. Our dentist is a dear family friend so we have a special relationship with him. He makes this kind of thing SO easy! She was in and out in less than 25 minutes!!!
I will be catering to her the rest of the day!! (as usual). It all appears to be rather quiet here so I will leave you all to your insanity! I will try to check in later if I can!!!! A GREAT day to all!
I did. Not with a calculator, but it must be some 4$.
Prius not that good, eh? Well, I wish I could be surprised... As far as Im concerned, the bus still rocks my world. Burns fuel, yes, but much less than there would be if all passangers would drive their cars. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:54:32 PM)
Head banger wrote:
you do realize that you need to take into consideration the energy that goes into production, right? the Prius uses way more energy to produce than a Suburban (look it up, its as big as most european houses)
to convert euro/l to $/G convert your currency, dunno the exchange. to a US Galon there is 3.88 L
SWR, the reason we dont use metal is it is heavier, and more costly. in a car, you want some parts to break in a colision to absorb energy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, we are at around 1€/litre (which must be somewhere around 4$/gallon), and Germany is even higher than that, I think. And even tho theres a reccesion, and wages have never been particulary good (they average at around 800€/month).... People still burn fossil fuel. IDK, they would have to really raise the prices of fuel sky-high to stop people from driving... A cent here and there simply wont do, and certainly wont make us all buy electric cars.
I guess that things like that electric car, or even compromises like the Prius are a good step forward, but... With all the millions of cars in the world, and so many millions of people who work in the industry (not only car manufacture, but fuel production too), those steps must be small and gradual, or everything will fall apart.
SadWingsRaging wrote:
It seems that a lot of the trash produced these days is the absolute JUNK foisted off on us called consumer goods made it China. Do they even have quality controll for most of the crap they make? & WHY THE HELL CAN WE NOT MAKE MORE STUFF OUT OF METAL?!?! It lasts longer, breaks less, & does NOT photodegrade! Given the choice of something that is made of decent steel/aluminum/alloy over plastic I for one would pay a 3 times more for it rather than some piece of crap that breaks & ends up in the garbage after falling apart then being wrapped around a tree in frustration.
Are we warming the earth? I have to believe the glaciers on this one. Do I think it is as big a deal as some have made of it? Probably not but I would prefer to error on the side of caution & reduce it a bit. There is no reason we can not produce & sell electric cars here in the states.
Not bad looking, good performance, WAY fewer moving parts to go wrong. It is a bit pricy but all new technology is. Remember when the VCR/Betamax first came out it was over $1,000 for a few years. Give these guys 5 years of Mfg. & setting up dealers across the nation & the prices will drop a good bit. Let the gas prices jump back up to $4 a gallon or even worse give us european petro prices & people will be fist fighting for these things at the dealers.
If you ask me why we do not have a fully electric car for a daily commute car it is because the big 3/ nipponese/ euro car mfg. executives have not made a bigger push for them is that they have so much personaly invested in oil it is not in their & their buddies interest to produce them.
It is a LONG way off before we can totaly do away with gas/diesel motors for heavy loads or long distance travel but there is NO REASON why there are no safe fully electric 200 mile range cars on the road that plug into your 110/220 home outlet.
I personaly am not sold on the whole hydrogen thing mainly due to the whole hindenburg thing. Highly explosive gas under high pressure with some of the idiots out there on the road equals crispy critters, yeah gas is explosive but it is NOT under high pressure, not to mention you STILL have to go to the pump & pay the same people you pay now for gas. I had just as soon take them out of the loop & our wallet. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:14:01 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if I can play the devils advocate here...
Most activists come from N. America and Europe, and are pressing their governments to do something about it... Which stands to reason, specialy since we all know that Chinese wont be swayed by anything. They dont listen to protesters, they run them down with tanks, as we have witnessed before.
That, and if we forget about the industry for a while, it also stands to reason that we in Europe and N. America should be more carefull about our trash, since we consume more shit, and produce more trash.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
*SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
Head banger wrote:
the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either.
where is the world cup next year? wish I could watch a decent game. I think Canada is already out, and nothing international gets televised
_strat_ wrote:
No, he was supposed to hug a tree and meditate. What were you thinking?
Oh, and I have to admit that I didnt observe the whole thing... But I have a good excuse - World Cup 2010 qualifying match, our boys vs. the Czechs... Earth will have to understand.
Head banger wrote:
your baby boom coments earlier sugested a similar strategy.
but sleep conserves all kinds of energy
_strat_ wrote:
Thats cheating!
Deep Freeze wrote:
All very good ideas, my dear. I hold no particular aversion to saving energy. I really do not. As I mentioned, we did our part and it was no big deal. I was asleep anyway!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
I actually thought it was kinda a neat idea.. I mean to see how many cities and how many people would particicpate.
I had every light off, the only thing I had on was the TV, and the computer..
We use energy eff lightbulbs here in the house and I recycle as much as I can. I have the recycle grocrey bags even.
Ouch! Hurts just to read it. Best wishes. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 8:03:29 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Morning gang! All quiet I see. Well, a bit of a busy morning ahead for me I'm afraid. The Princess broke a tooth and I have to take her to the dentist this fine morning! Arrrggghh!!! Oh well, try to behave yourselves!!!!!!!!!!
Well, we are at around 1€/litre (which must be somewhere around 4$/gallon), and Germany is even higher than that, I think. And even tho theres a reccesion, and wages have never been particulary good (they average at around 800€/month).... People still burn fossil fuel. IDK, they would have to really raise the prices of fuel sky-high to stop people from driving... A cent here and there simply wont do, and certainly wont make us all buy electric cars.
I guess that things like that electric car, or even compromises like the Prius are a good step forward, but... With all the millions of cars in the world, and so many millions of people who work in the industry (not only car manufacture, but fuel production too), those steps must be small and gradual, or everything will fall apart. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by SadWingsRaging from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:56:42 AM)
SadWingsRaging wrote:
It seems that a lot of the trash produced these days is the absolute JUNK foisted off on us called consumer goods made it China. Do they even have quality controll for most of the crap they make? & WHY THE HELL CAN WE NOT MAKE MORE STUFF OUT OF METAL?!?! It lasts longer, breaks less, & does NOT photodegrade! Given the choice of something that is made of decent steel/aluminum/alloy over plastic I for one would pay a 3 times more for it rather than some piece of crap that breaks & ends up in the garbage after falling apart then being wrapped around a tree in frustration.
Are we warming the earth? I have to believe the glaciers on this one. Do I think it is as big a deal as some have made of it? Probably not but I would prefer to error on the side of caution & reduce it a bit. There is no reason we can not produce & sell electric cars here in the states.
Not bad looking, good performance, WAY fewer moving parts to go wrong. It is a bit pricy but all new technology is. Remember when the VCR/Betamax first came out it was over $1,000 for a few years. Give these guys 5 years of Mfg. & setting up dealers across the nation & the prices will drop a good bit. Let the gas prices jump back up to $4 a gallon or even worse give us european petro prices & people will be fist fighting for these things at the dealers.
If you ask me why we do not have a fully electric car for a daily commute car it is because the big 3/ nipponese/ euro car mfg. executives have not made a bigger push for them is that they have so much personaly invested in oil it is not in their & their buddies interest to produce them.
It is a LONG way off before we can totaly do away with gas/diesel motors for heavy loads or long distance travel but there is NO REASON why there are no safe fully electric 200 mile range cars on the road that plug into your 110/220 home outlet.
I personaly am not sold on the whole hydrogen thing mainly due to the whole hindenburg thing. Highly explosive gas under high pressure with some of the idiots out there on the road equals crispy critters, yeah gas is explosive but it is NOT under high pressure, not to mention you STILL have to go to the pump & pay the same people you pay now for gas. I had just as soon take them out of the loop & our wallet. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:14:01 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if I can play the devils advocate here...
Most activists come from N. America and Europe, and are pressing their governments to do something about it... Which stands to reason, specialy since we all know that Chinese wont be swayed by anything. They dont listen to protesters, they run them down with tanks, as we have witnessed before.
That, and if we forget about the industry for a while, it also stands to reason that we in Europe and N. America should be more carefull about our trash, since we consume more shit, and produce more trash.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
*SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
Head banger wrote:
the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either.
Most activists come from N. America and Europe, and are pressing their governments to do something about it... Which stands to reason, specialy since we all know that Chinese wont be swayed by anything. They dont listen to protesters, they run them down with tanks, as we have witnessed before.
That, and if we forget about the industry for a while, it also stands to reason that we in Europe and N. America should be more carefull about our trash, since we consume more shit, and produce more trash. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 30, 2009 9:06:54 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
*SIGH* Where's Kendall when you need a good anti-everything conspiracy theorist!?!?
Agreed gents, "global warming" while in fact is somewhat real...the people who push for these changes are not pushing the biggest polluters as well as the emerging powers in India and China. Nevermind, only the US, Canada, and Europeans pollute.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hmmm. Well said, HB. You seem to have a mind of your own and an opinion! I like that.
Head banger wrote:
the thing is, if it actualy helped, then great. but it wont. most of the missing demand is put onto the grid at another time. people should leave off the lights in unocupied rooms. my problem with the global warming scam is that its used to justify social change, not real environmental change. Man changes the planet daily, and needs to be very cautious in that, but cant change the way he exists. the people who want the "social change" of the global warming scam, are fine with india poluting more, to polute less somewhere else. the idea that they can change mankind into a new species, one that is not compeditive, puts others first, etc.... is like saying you can train wolves to eat grass and leaves. its not realistic.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am proud to say that I did nothing for "Earth Hour". Rather pointless I think to shut everything off for an hour. My parents didn't participate either.
No, he was supposed to hug a tree and meditate. What were you thinking?
Oh, and I have to admit that I didnt observe the whole thing... But I have a good excuse - World Cup 2010 qualifying match, our boys vs. the Czechs... Earth will have to understand. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, March 30, 2009 7:57:06 AM)
Head banger wrote:
your baby boom coments earlier sugested a similar strategy.
but sleep conserves all kinds of energy
_strat_ wrote:
Thats cheating!
Deep Freeze wrote:
All very good ideas, my dear. I hold no particular aversion to saving energy. I really do not. As I mentioned, we did our part and it was no big deal. I was asleep anyway!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
I actually thought it was kinda a neat idea.. I mean to see how many cities and how many people would particicpate.
I had every light off, the only thing I had on was the TV, and the computer..
We use energy eff lightbulbs here in the house and I recycle as much as I can. I have the recycle grocrey bags even.
Great album. Great songs from a time when Coverdale only looked like an old lady... As opposed to know when he sounds like one. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Cobras-Aura from Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:48:39 AM)
Cobras-Aura wrote:
Well...classic rock and hard rock deserve attention too. So here is the thread. My album of the day is 1987 by Whitesnake. Great sound, great attitude and style. It's a lot like Guns N' Roses' Appetite For Destruction. Along with Appetite For Destruction and Racer X's Street Lethal, it was a big "Fuck You" to the glam movement. Well done boys. Edited at: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:58:25 AM
All very good ideas, my dear. I hold no particular aversion to saving energy. I really do not. As I mentioned, we did our part and it was no big deal. I was asleep anyway!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
I actually thought it was kinda a neat idea.. I mean to see how many cities and how many people would particicpate.
I had every light off, the only thing I had on was the TV, and the computer..
We use energy eff lightbulbs here in the house and I recycle as much as I can. I have the recycle grocrey bags even.
Oh, sorry then. I thought you were pressing my "Marxist freak out mode" button again.
Do we? I like candles. And we could continue this noticeboard with carrier pigeons.
Head banger wrote:
right, I wasnt trying to go off topic. we need electricity.
_strat_ wrote:
Electric power, HB, electric...
Head banger wrote:
see, power has to come from somewhere!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yeah, but at least you only destroy that part of the forest... Without having to continualy destroy forests in general... IDK, in any case, power has to come from somewhere, and it has its price. Is it worth it? Well, squirels may object.
Head banger wrote:
yes, the use carbon burning machines to build a dam, altering nature and the flow of a river forever, damaging the natural habitat, flooding many square KM (or miles) of land, killing the trees, grass or crops that grew there, reducing the plant surface of the planet, to run water thru a turbine and out the other side. great environmental idea these dams.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... See, thats where youre wrong. Many places produce electricity with dams, not damns.
spapad wrote:
Awe, come on strat, without electricity we would all be out burning up trees and using all sorts of oils, some animal based, to light our homes. The world would be far dirtier without electricity, and much more sparse of trees. So electricity is tree hugger friendly! Many places produce electricy with damns! Nope, never going to convince me we would be better off without electricity.
_strat_ wrote:
Damit. I know what I want for my birthday - a country-wide power blackout in the US!!! That will teach you... you spoiled yanks...
Oh, and just for the record, you do sound like Cartman!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Lights on. Lights off. makes NO difference to me, my friend. We ...Uh...Um... need not worry about that result......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh... and I still refuse!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, its not as bad as it sounds... There was a huge power black out in the Nedherlands a year or two ago... The result: nine months later, a huge baby-boom. You may want to reconsider your decision.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Pff! To illustrate my displeasure and defiance, I shall be turning ON every light, appliance and electrical device I own for the ENTIRE evening............................. BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sacrilege?? That's the hyme of the forest, man!! Red Rum!!
_strat_ wrote:
Im all for green, but this... This is just sacrilege!
Phantom A6 wrote:
Paint it green
I see a red door
and I want to paint it green.
No colours anymore
I want them to turn green.
I see a line of cars
and they are painted green.
They pass me by with one
who's never coming back.
I look inside myself
and see my heart is green.
I see a red door
and I have to have it green.
Maybe I'll fade away
and not have to face the fact.
That it's not easy
when your whole world's turning green.
Paint it green.
My world's green.
If we look hard enough
into the setting sun.
These things will last with me
before the morning comes.
I see them walking by
all dressed up in their clothes.
I have to turn away
until my greeness goes.
Paint it green.
My world's green.
Paint it green.
It's all green.
right, I wasnt trying to go off topic. we need electricity.
_strat_ wrote:
Electric power, HB, electric...
Head banger wrote:
see, power has to come from somewhere!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, yeah, but at least you only destroy that part of the forest... Without having to continualy destroy forests in general... IDK, in any case, power has to come from somewhere, and it has its price. Is it worth it? Well, squirels may object.
Head banger wrote:
yes, the use carbon burning machines to build a dam, altering nature and the flow of a river forever, damaging the natural habitat, flooding many square KM (or miles) of land, killing the trees, grass or crops that grew there, reducing the plant surface of the planet, to run water thru a turbine and out the other side. great environmental idea these dams.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... See, thats where youre wrong. Many places produce electricity with dams, not damns.
spapad wrote:
Awe, come on strat, without electricity we would all be out burning up trees and using all sorts of oils, some animal based, to light our homes. The world would be far dirtier without electricity, and much more sparse of trees. So electricity is tree hugger friendly! Many places produce electricy with damns! Nope, never going to convince me we would be better off without electricity.
_strat_ wrote:
Damit. I know what I want for my birthday - a country-wide power blackout in the US!!! That will teach you... you spoiled yanks...
Oh, and just for the record, you do sound like Cartman!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Lights on. Lights off. makes NO difference to me, my friend. We ...Uh...Um... need not worry about that result......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh... and I still refuse!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, its not as bad as it sounds... There was a huge power black out in the Nedherlands a year or two ago... The result: nine months later, a huge baby-boom. You may want to reconsider your decision.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Pff! To illustrate my displeasure and defiance, I shall be turning ON every light, appliance and electrical device I own for the ENTIRE evening............................. BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, yeah, but at least you only destroy that part of the forest... Without having to continualy destroy forests in general... IDK, in any case, power has to come from somewhere, and it has its price. Is it worth it? Well, squirels may object.
Head banger wrote:
yes, the use carbon burning machines to build a dam, altering nature and the flow of a river forever, damaging the natural habitat, flooding many square KM (or miles) of land, killing the trees, grass or crops that grew there, reducing the plant surface of the planet, to run water thru a turbine and out the other side. great environmental idea these dams.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... See, thats where youre wrong. Many places produce electricity with dams, not damns.
spapad wrote:
Awe, come on strat, without electricity we would all be out burning up trees and using all sorts of oils, some animal based, to light our homes. The world would be far dirtier without electricity, and much more sparse of trees. So electricity is tree hugger friendly! Many places produce electricy with damns! Nope, never going to convince me we would be better off without electricity.
_strat_ wrote:
Damit. I know what I want for my birthday - a country-wide power blackout in the US!!! That will teach you... you spoiled yanks...
Oh, and just for the record, you do sound like Cartman!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Lights on. Lights off. makes NO difference to me, my friend. We ...Uh...Um... need not worry about that result......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh... and I still refuse!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, its not as bad as it sounds... There was a huge power black out in the Nedherlands a year or two ago... The result: nine months later, a huge baby-boom. You may want to reconsider your decision.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Pff! To illustrate my displeasure and defiance, I shall be turning ON every light, appliance and electrical device I own for the ENTIRE evening............................. BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol! You want to get Rickrolled? Wheres the fun in that? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:03:14 PM)
hellrider 31038 wrote:
hey strat where is the sound i want to crank it up.lol.
_strat_ wrote:
Must... Resist... The Urge... To... Rick... Roll....
Gah!!! I did it again... Well at least you know... Im never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down...
guidogodoy wrote:
Sounds more like Rick Astley to me BWWWHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
"Never gonna give you up..."
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, now I am starting to crave a big, fat steak on the barbeque!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!! (*Cue Barry White*)... I'm never gonna give you..I'm never ever gonna stop.... HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!
Im all for green, but this... This is just sacrilege! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Saturday, March 28, 2009 6:15:57 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Paint it green
I see a red door
and I want to paint it green.
No colours anymore
I want them to turn green.
I see a line of cars
and they are painted green.
They pass me by with one
who's never coming back.
I look inside myself
and see my heart is green.
I see a red door
and I have to have it green.
Maybe I'll fade away
and not have to face the fact.
That it's not easy
when your whole world's turning green.
Paint it green.
My world's green.
If we look hard enough
into the setting sun.
These things will last with me
before the morning comes.
I see them walking by
all dressed up in their clothes.
I have to turn away
until my greeness goes.
Paint it green.
My world's green.
Paint it green.
It's all green.
Well, yeah, but at least you only destroy that part of the forest... Without having to continualy destroy forests in general... IDK, in any case, power has to come from somewhere, and it has its price. Is it worth it? Well, squirels may object. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, March 28, 2009 4:27:31 PM)
Head banger wrote:
yes, the use carbon burning machines to build a dam, altering nature and the flow of a river forever, damaging the natural habitat, flooding many square KM (or miles) of land, killing the trees, grass or crops that grew there, reducing the plant surface of the planet, to run water thru a turbine and out the other side. great environmental idea these dams.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... See, thats where youre wrong. Many places produce electricity with dams, not damns.
spapad wrote:
Awe, come on strat, without electricity we would all be out burning up trees and using all sorts of oils, some animal based, to light our homes. The world would be far dirtier without electricity, and much more sparse of trees. So electricity is tree hugger friendly! Many places produce electricy with damns! Nope, never going to convince me we would be better off without electricity.
_strat_ wrote:
Damit. I know what I want for my birthday - a country-wide power blackout in the US!!! That will teach you... you spoiled yanks...
Oh, and just for the record, you do sound like Cartman!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Lights on. Lights off. makes NO difference to me, my friend. We ...Uh...Um... need not worry about that result......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh... and I still refuse!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, its not as bad as it sounds... There was a huge power black out in the Nedherlands a year or two ago... The result: nine months later, a huge baby-boom. You may want to reconsider your decision.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Pff! To illustrate my displeasure and defiance, I shall be turning ON every light, appliance and electrical device I own for the ENTIRE evening............................. BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OOooops, must be too used to using the other spelling! LOL Yes that does make a difference, now if we fuel our energy lust with cussing.......HA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... See, thats where youre wrong. Many places produce electricity with dams, not damns.
spapad wrote:
Awe, come on strat, without electricity we would all be out burning up trees and using all sorts of oils, some animal based, to light our homes. The world would be far dirtier without electricity, and much more sparse of trees. So electricity is tree hugger friendly! Many places produce electricy with damns! Nope, never going to convince me we would be better off without electricity.
_strat_ wrote:
Damit. I know what I want for my birthday - a country-wide power blackout in the US!!! That will teach you... you spoiled yanks...
Oh, and just for the record, you do sound like Cartman!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Lights on. Lights off. makes NO difference to me, my friend. We ...Uh...Um... need not worry about that result......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh... and I still refuse!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, its not as bad as it sounds... There was a huge power black out in the Nedherlands a year or two ago... The result: nine months later, a huge baby-boom. You may want to reconsider your decision.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Pff! To illustrate my displeasure and defiance, I shall be turning ON every light, appliance and electrical device I own for the ENTIRE evening............................. BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol... See, thats where youre wrong. Many places produce electricity with dams, not damns. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, March 28, 2009 3:43:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
Awe, come on strat, without electricity we would all be out burning up trees and using all sorts of oils, some animal based, to light our homes. The world would be far dirtier without electricity, and much more sparse of trees. So electricity is tree hugger friendly! Many places produce electricy with damns! Nope, never going to convince me we would be better off without electricity.
_strat_ wrote:
Damit. I know what I want for my birthday - a country-wide power blackout in the US!!! That will teach you... you spoiled yanks...
Oh, and just for the record, you do sound like Cartman!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Lights on. Lights off. makes NO difference to me, my friend. We ...Uh...Um... need not worry about that result......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh... and I still refuse!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, its not as bad as it sounds... There was a huge power black out in the Nedherlands a year or two ago... The result: nine months later, a huge baby-boom. You may want to reconsider your decision.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Pff! To illustrate my displeasure and defiance, I shall be turning ON every light, appliance and electrical device I own for the ENTIRE evening............................. BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lights on. Lights off. makes NO difference to me, my friend. We ...Uh...Um... need not worry about that result......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh... and I still refuse!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, its not as bad as it sounds... There was a huge power black out in the Nedherlands a year or two ago... The result: nine months later, a huge baby-boom. You may want to reconsider your decision.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Pff! To illustrate my displeasure and defiance, I shall be turning ON every light, appliance and electrical device I own for the ENTIRE evening............................. BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You know, its not as bad as it sounds... There was a huge power black out in the Nedherlands a year or two ago... The result: nine months later, a huge baby-boom. You may want to reconsider your decision.
Pff! To illustrate my displeasure and defiance, I shall be turning ON every light, appliance and electrical device I own for the ENTIRE evening............................. BWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Weeeellll... Maybe he could have made them a bit less ugly and smelly... Personaly, the only seafood I can stand is fried fish, and there I draw the line. But, of land animals... Lets just say that I wouldnt make a good muslim. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, March 27, 2009 4:32:56 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ohhhhhhhhhh yeah!!!!! I am with you on that !!!! I am a MEAT eater, brother. Not going to change at this late stage in my life!!!! Love fish, too! As far as crabs and lobsters..well, you're supposed to eat them! That is why god made 'em so damn ugly!! BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, Ive heard about that one before... Not just about crabs and lobsters, but animals in general.
In any case, I am, I was, and will remain every pigs worse nightmare.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Lobsters and crabs feel pain, study shows
Findings add to growing evidence that virtually all animals can suffer
Look, if ANYONE thinks this is going to cause me to swear off lobster tails and crab legs FORGET IT!!!! NOT going to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Must... Resist... The Urge... To... Rick... Roll....
Gah!!! I did it again... Well at least you know... Im never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, March 27, 2009 5:46:20 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Sounds more like Rick Astley to me BWWWHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
"Never gonna give you up..."
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, now I am starting to crave a big, fat steak on the barbeque!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!! (*Cue Barry White*)... I'm never gonna give you..I'm never ever gonna stop.... HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!
Oh, Ive heard about that one before... Not just about crabs and lobsters, but animals in general.
In any case, I am, I was, and will remain every pigs worse nightmare. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, March 27, 2009 4:22:20 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Lobsters and crabs feel pain, study shows
Findings add to growing evidence that virtually all animals can suffer
Look, if ANYONE thinks this is going to cause me to swear off lobster tails and crab legs FORGET IT!!!! NOT going to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rick Astley patrol has been dispatched;) And if that isnt enough, I included some bullshity Slovenian pop polka in the PM.
In any case, this is getting serious. The guy worked his was around at least one IP ban. Im guessing he knows someone thats good with computers (or maybe hes using library computers), but it seems that bans wont keep him away. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 27, 2009 1:39:14 PM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey halfwit! The more you come back, the more evidence we get to put your dumbass behind bars! But you're so stupid that you can't leave well enough alone....That's okay though monkeybutt. We got your number. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Mountainman wrote:
Mind your own buissness you know nothing with a name like dara gp back in the closet.~
darack8 wrote:
magicman wrote:
This one is easy susan how many seconds did it take you to cum with me !! 8 seconds you said1 Wow!
The past few days, even though we have had arguments, we have done much better lately. It makes my mind race.
For the past few days I am back to fantasizing about you and me.
Can't wait to see you, and hold you in my arms.
I keep having the same dream go through my head.
It's night, I know your comming. Flora is sleeping at her friend's house, I am all alone.
You call, and tell me your here.
I'm dressed in barely nothing and waiting at the door for you.
I open the door and there you finally are. I grab you and hug you and we exchange the most passionate french kisses there ever was. When we finally pull back from each other's mouths our eyes meet and the obvious lust and need is so apparent of both our eyes!
I shut the door and look at you again, we kiss again, so passionately. I start to pull your clothes off, kiss your neck, kiss your chest, and wind my way down your beautiful body.
As I reach your belt, you look down at me and say "yes, do it babe". I unfasten your buckle and unzpip your pants to free up what I long since had felt against my body, that gorgeous cock, hard as a rock, just for me!
I pull your pants to your knees and crouch down in my boots, and I take that gorgeous cock of your's into my mouth.
I massage your balls with one hand while I pump your manhood with the other and my pouty lips do the rest of the work!
I look up in your eyes and lick the precum off the head of your cock like it was a lollipop of my favorite flavor. You look down approvingly, and then I go back to my work.
I swirl and suck you right there in the entryway of my home till you explode in my mouth! You back is against the door and your spent.
I lick my lips and return to giving you the most passionate kisses, and now it's your turn my love.....................
spapad wrote:
Thanks Ron, I glanced that this morning before heading off to work and thought the question to be impossible to answer! LOL Good one!
ronhartsell wrote:
Ok, I can see where this is an unrealistic question...
...according to JudasPriestWorld.com from 1979-09, Priest has been on the front cover of 275 magazines...
I think you may be looking for shred-tastic... That is, unless you mean that they have a fantastic shed.
All else, I agree. Rob over Dickinson any day for me. And Steve is a bass god. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:09:48 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Janick... *ewww*.. LOL... I'm pretty sure i have mentioned this before. But i will say again why Priest is my number one. First of all, the sounds of both bands are different.
Reason why i like Priest better is because they have continually evolved, Maiden has their sound, and it doesn't really vary.
Priest on the other hand are pioneers... They are risk takers. I'm waiting for the next Maiden album to see what they can pull out. I have loved the past 3 albums, and play them more than i do their earlier works.
OK... Moving onto the vocalists.... Rob is the clear favourite. The first time i heard Priest i fell in love... His voice, the screams... Ohh i get shivers just thinking about it!
I will be honest the first couple of times i listened to Maiden i was not fan of Bruce's vocals..It took a while to grow on me. Now i love his voice, it suits the style of music they play.
Musicianship.... Well my love for Steve goes beyond the physical... Yes, DC can think beyond his gorgeous appearance. I love the hard, driven, rythmic... "galloping" bass lines more. That doesn't mean that Ian is a worse player, he just plays the style that suits his band.... Ian's style has varied alot more as well.. Compare Stained Class to say.... Defenders Of the Faith. Very different. Same goes for Glenn and KK.... they can play solid rock riffs, or play some ultra heavy shed-tastic (made up a new word) stuff. Dave and Adrian... very awesome players, but again... they always stick to their sound.
It all boils down to the way both bands have evolved.... Simple.... you either love Priest for it or you hate them.... I'm guessing that every metal fan out there could pick at least one Priest album they like, because they have touched on so many different styles...
Obviously. Having a family member in the Polish Navy is the ultimate qualification for a heavy metal guitarist.
I bet Malmsteens dad was at least an admiral. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, March 26, 2009 8:57:45 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Ahhh...so that would mean that's good enough to be in Maiden.
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. According to wikipedia, he was born in England, and his father was in the Polish Navy.
Wildheart wrote:
Actually, Janick Gers has a polish dad and an english mom. Not sure where he´s born though, but I think he´s born in England.
HB... I have calculated that the HBSD (the HB Smartass Dollar) has had an overall inflation of 200% in the past two weeks. Combined with your loans from the National Bank of Sarcasm, this could lead to a crisis of Humor.
Head banger wrote:
Morning all, great to see the moron gone. now we can get back to metal!!! and interest rates!
HA.
Ive seen here in the Kmac thread, not long ago. But yeah, I mean... He literary stalks the threads she posts in. Even if he doesnt get physicaly separated from computers, I hope he will never come back here again... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:37:09 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Yeah...I'm not sure what it is either, strat. Probably get at least 2-5 years since it's a felony. Oddly enough, where has spapad been? She seemed to disappear when the idiot returned.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I don't think so, strat. Murray uses that as a last resort because it is quite serious. As for a "sentence", I am not very familiar with the law but I know it is a federal crime (felony) and I believe that would require prison time. I cannot think of anything more satisfying than a picture of him being taken from his home in cuffs while his wife stands there waving good bye......
Oh come now! The HB dollar is as strong as ever!!!!! It is like a bar of gold.
_strat_ wrote:
HB... I have calculated that the HBSD (the HB Smartass Dollar) has had an overall inflation of 200% in the past two weeks. Combined with your loans from the National Bank of Sarcasm, this could lead to a crisis of Humor.
Head banger wrote:
Morning all, great to see the moron gone. now we can get back to metal!!! and interest rates!
HA.
I see. Well, heres hoping they nail him... One way or the other. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:33:06 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I don't think so, strat. Murray uses that as a last resort because it is quite serious. As for a "sentence", I am not very familiar with the law but I know it is a federal crime (felony) and I believe that would require prison time. I cannot think of anything more satisfying than a picture of him being taken from his home in cuffs while his wife stands there waving good bye......
HB... I have calculated that the HBSD (the HB Smartass Dollar) has had an overall inflation of 200% in the past two weeks. Combined with your loans from the National Bank of Sarcasm, this could lead to a crisis of Humor. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:27:05 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Morning all, great to see the moron gone. now we can get back to metal!!! and interest rates!
HA.
But wasnt he IP banned the last time around? IDK, maybe he has "a Guido" of his own. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:27:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, from what I understand he would need to go to a completely different computer because Murray banned his IP. Now, if that means he cannot access from the one he has now, he could conceivably get on another BUT that would require guile and I do not believe he possesses much of that. Additionally, he is not smart enough to hold a job in an office so I doubt he can go to work to do it. From what I gather, Justin's friend can track him down and have him "removed".
Personally, I like MG's approach to filing a complaint with the authorities under the section of code that deals with INTERNET STALKERS (I know you can see this Norman, so come on back and bring it on you foul-mouthed monkey).
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that may still be possible. I mean, the way I get it, he still has an account (many of them, actually), its just that its banned. I think that someone with a lot more knowledge on this (we need Guido...) could trace the bastard down. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:07:37 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Morning! While I am inclined to agree that it is welcome news to see Murray has acted, I cannot help but feel a bit of disappoinment. I was really looking forward to Justin's friend terminating this person completely from ANY internet usage. The fact that this person is still out there, lurking and able to access a computer and get on another site to stalk yet ANOTHER misfortunate human being is rather disconcerting.
As usual, our family is to be commended on our resolve and support. It is a very comforting feeling to know we are all here and we care so much. I just wish this filth could have been hauled away by the authorities while his certainly smiling wife applauded.
Well, that may still be possible. I mean, the way I get it, he still has an account (many of them, actually), its just that its banned. I think that someone with a lot more knowledge on this (we need Guido...) could trace the bastard down. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, March 26, 2009 7:07:37 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Morning! While I am inclined to agree that it is welcome news to see Murray has acted, I cannot help but feel a bit of disappoinment. I was really looking forward to Justin's friend terminating this person completely from ANY internet usage. The fact that this person is still out there, lurking and able to access a computer and get on another site to stalk yet ANOTHER misfortunate human being is rather disconcerting.
As usual, our family is to be commended on our resolve and support. It is a very comforting feeling to know we are all here and we care so much. I just wish this filth could have been hauled away by the authorities while his certainly smiling wife applauded.
Yup. According to wikipedia, he was born in England, and his father was in the Polish Navy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Wildheart from Thursday, March 26, 2009 6:20:00 AM)
Wildheart wrote:
Actually, Janick Gers has a polish dad and an english mom. Not sure where he´s born though, but I think he´s born in England.
Offensive? Lol... Its leetspeak, ok? It says "the noob has been eliminated". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Thursday, March 26, 2009 4:29:47 AM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
T3h n00b h45 b33n 31imin4t3d!1!1!!!
Ahh.. Egypt?? Please, can you translate me this "offensive" message?? I don't understand it!!
Could be, lol! Heres a crappy pop singer from the 1980s that has more views than Britney, Beyonce or Miley! Lol... I remember a year or two ago, for the 1st of April, every featured video on youtube was a disguised Rickroll... Yup. Its an epidemic! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:41:55 AM)
Becks wrote:
LMAO that has to be a youtube record doesn't it! I would have thought so
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, yeah... Whoever came up with that meme should get a monument in his/her honour.
Have you seen the view counter in that video? LMAO, over 18 million Rickrolld!!
Becks wrote:
Ah yes Strat, the Rickroll is indeed a thing of beauty, LOL.
_strat_ wrote:
But I just wanted to tell him how Im feeling...
Gotta make him understand...
Im never gonna give him up...
Never gonna let him down... Yeah, I forgot he is a neadhertal. Of course he wouldnt know about Rickrolls. But, anyway... Rickrolls are something you have to feel, not understand.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL! That was sheer brilliance strat! Friggin hysterical, but I doubt the fool would understand the song choice.
_strat_ wrote:
Congratulations. You have achieved a fail so epic, its almost a win.
As i leave to go work here is a reminder of what she is!
The past few days, even though we have had arguments, we have done much better lately. It makes my mind race.
For the past few days I am back to fantasizing about you and me.
Can't wait to see you, and hold you in my arms.
I keep having the same dream go through my head.
It's night, I know your comming. Flora is sleeping at her friend's house, I am all alone.
You call, and tell me your here.
I'm dressed in barely nothing and waiting at the door for you.
I open the door and there you finally are. I grab you and hug you and we exchange the most passionate french kisses there ever was. When we finally pull back from each other's mouths our eyes meet and the obvious lust and need is so apparent of both our eyes!
I shut the door and look at you again, we kiss again, so passionately. I start to pull your clothes off, kiss your neck, kiss your chest, and wind my way down your beautiful body.
As I reach your belt, you look down at me and say "yes, do it babe". I unfasten your buckle and unzpip your pants to free up what I long since had felt against my body, that gorgeous cock, hard as a rock, just for me!
I pull your pants to your knees and crouch down in my boots, and I take that gorgeous cock of your's into my mouth.
I massage your balls with one hand while I pump your manhood with the other and my pouty lips do the rest of the work!
I look up in your eyes and lick the precum off the head of your cock like it was a lollipop of my favorite flavor. You look down approvingly, and then I go back to my work.
I swirl and suck you right there in the entryway of my home till you explode in my mouth! You back is against the door and your spent.
I lick my lips and return to giving you the most passionate kisses, and now it's your turn my love.....................
Lol, yeah... Whoever came up with that meme should get a monument in his/her honour.
Have you seen the view counter in that video? LMAO, over 18 million Rickrolld!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Becks from Thursday, March 26, 2009 2:36:52 AM)
Becks wrote:
Ah yes Strat, the Rickroll is indeed a thing of beauty, LOL.
_strat_ wrote:
But I just wanted to tell him how Im feeling...
Gotta make him understand...
Im never gonna give him up...
Never gonna let him down... Yeah, I forgot he is a neadhertal. Of course he wouldnt know about Rickrolls. But, anyway... Rickrolls are something you have to feel, not understand.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL! That was sheer brilliance strat! Friggin hysterical, but I doubt the fool would understand the song choice.
_strat_ wrote:
Congratulations. You have achieved a fail so epic, its almost a win.
As i leave to go work here is a reminder of what she is!
The past few days, even though we have had arguments, we have done much better lately. It makes my mind race.
For the past few days I am back to fantasizing about you and me.
Can't wait to see you, and hold you in my arms.
I keep having the same dream go through my head.
It's night, I know your comming. Flora is sleeping at her friend's house, I am all alone.
You call, and tell me your here.
I'm dressed in barely nothing and waiting at the door for you.
I open the door and there you finally are. I grab you and hug you and we exchange the most passionate french kisses there ever was. When we finally pull back from each other's mouths our eyes meet and the obvious lust and need is so apparent of both our eyes!
I shut the door and look at you again, we kiss again, so passionately. I start to pull your clothes off, kiss your neck, kiss your chest, and wind my way down your beautiful body.
As I reach your belt, you look down at me and say "yes, do it babe". I unfasten your buckle and unzpip your pants to free up what I long since had felt against my body, that gorgeous cock, hard as a rock, just for me!
I pull your pants to your knees and crouch down in my boots, and I take that gorgeous cock of your's into my mouth.
I massage your balls with one hand while I pump your manhood with the other and my pouty lips do the rest of the work!
I look up in your eyes and lick the precum off the head of your cock like it was a lollipop of my favorite flavor. You look down approvingly, and then I go back to my work.
I swirl and suck you right there in the entryway of my home till you explode in my mouth! You back is against the door and your spent.
I lick my lips and return to giving you the most passionate kisses, and now it's your turn my love.....................
Never gonna let him down... Yeah, I forgot he is a neadhertal. Of course he wouldnt know about Rickrolls. But, anyway... Rickrolls are something you have to feel, not understand. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:11:29 PM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL! That was sheer brilliance strat! Friggin hysterical, but I doubt the fool would understand the song choice.
_strat_ wrote:
Congratulations. You have achieved a fail so epic, its almost a win.
As i leave to go work here is a reminder of what she is!
The past few days, even though we have had arguments, we have done much better lately. It makes my mind race.
For the past few days I am back to fantasizing about you and me.
Can't wait to see you, and hold you in my arms.
I keep having the same dream go through my head.
It's night, I know your comming. Flora is sleeping at her friend's house, I am all alone.
You call, and tell me your here.
I'm dressed in barely nothing and waiting at the door for you.
I open the door and there you finally are. I grab you and hug you and we exchange the most passionate french kisses there ever was. When we finally pull back from each other's mouths our eyes meet and the obvious lust and need is so apparent of both our eyes!
I shut the door and look at you again, we kiss again, so passionately. I start to pull your clothes off, kiss your neck, kiss your chest, and wind my way down your beautiful body.
As I reach your belt, you look down at me and say "yes, do it babe". I unfasten your buckle and unzpip your pants to free up what I long since had felt against my body, that gorgeous cock, hard as a rock, just for me!
I pull your pants to your knees and crouch down in my boots, and I take that gorgeous cock of your's into my mouth.
I massage your balls with one hand while I pump your manhood with the other and my pouty lips do the rest of the work!
I look up in your eyes and lick the precum off the head of your cock like it was a lollipop of my favorite flavor. You look down approvingly, and then I go back to my work.
I swirl and suck you right there in the entryway of my home till you explode in my mouth! You back is against the door and your spent.
I lick my lips and return to giving you the most passionate kisses, and now it's your turn my love.....................
As i leave to go work here is a reminder of what she is!
The past few days, even though we have had arguments, we have done much better lately. It makes my mind race.
For the past few days I am back to fantasizing about you and me.
Can't wait to see you, and hold you in my arms.
I keep having the same dream go through my head.
It's night, I know your comming. Flora is sleeping at her friend's house, I am all alone.
You call, and tell me your here.
I'm dressed in barely nothing and waiting at the door for you.
I open the door and there you finally are. I grab you and hug you and we exchange the most passionate french kisses there ever was. When we finally pull back from each other's mouths our eyes meet and the obvious lust and need is so apparent of both our eyes!
I shut the door and look at you again, we kiss again, so passionately. I start to pull your clothes off, kiss your neck, kiss your chest, and wind my way down your beautiful body.
As I reach your belt, you look down at me and say "yes, do it babe". I unfasten your buckle and unzpip your pants to free up what I long since had felt against my body, that gorgeous cock, hard as a rock, just for me!
I pull your pants to your knees and crouch down in my boots, and I take that gorgeous cock of your's into my mouth.
I massage your balls with one hand while I pump your manhood with the other and my pouty lips do the rest of the work!
I look up in your eyes and lick the precum off the head of your cock like it was a lollipop of my favorite flavor. You look down approvingly, and then I go back to my work.
I swirl and suck you right there in the entryway of my home till you explode in my mouth! You back is against the door and your spent.
I lick my lips and return to giving you the most passionate kisses, and now it's your turn my love.....................
Aha. I see. So, my only hope is Civil Wars episode II: A new Joke? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:27:38 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Canadians can't have water balloons...The water would turn to ice in the fridgid Artic air and the balloon would subsequently overshoot it's intended target. I say overshoot b/c ice is lighter than water and that would hose up their catipults and giant rubber bands.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok... How do they stand on water baloons?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Canada has an Air Force??????? The US Air Force is at least 3 times the size of Canada's.
_strat_ wrote:
See? I said youre a mastermind!
Btw... I sure hope Canada has a decent air force. The most I can offer is a paper airplane.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My house???
_strat_ wrote:
Good boy! Now, go, bomb the vice city! And a particular criminal mastermind in there! You know of whom I speak...
Head banger wrote:
we decline.
spapad wrote:
Pleas dont Bomb Vegas! Honestly, only drunk oldsters like her, we will send her back to Canada, if they will take her back. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
HB, I love you. You just put a sunshine in my day.
Bomb Vegas.
Good day for it too - on this day in world history: 1999, NATO starts bombing Serbia.
Head banger wrote:
isnt she still in vegas?
_strat_ wrote:
Dont even get me started on that... I hate that song and the way it gets stuck in my head.
Please bomb Canada!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ohhh, yes....Titanic. The movie was okay, although my niece wouldn't stop singing that Celine Dion song!!
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
-1861...LONDON'S FIRST TRAMCARS WENT INTO OPERATION.
-1918...LITHUANIA PROCLAIMED INDEPENDENCE.
-1956...SUDAN BECAME INDEPENDENT.
-1972...EVEL KNIEVEL BROKE 93 BONES AFTER SUCCESSFULLY JUMPING 35 CARS.
-1989...A 1,000-FT. ASTEROID MISSED THE EARTH BY 500,000 MILES.
-1998...MOVIE "TITANIC" WON 11 OSCARS AT THE ACADEMY AWARDS.
go to hell and dont get involved in things you know nothing about you fucking loser like most people on this site,she is a fucking whore who used me and she will pay! So mind your buisness or come see me and i will end your world fucker!
I laugh but am sad on the inside....didn't get a PM either.....
_strat_ wrote:
Youre giving him too much credit - as if he can read.
He is great at threatening. He already PMd me something about "ending my world", after Ive sent him a "may the fail be with you"...
Yup... Much fail I sense in him...
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL...I do give him credit for bringing his dumbass back for more. Stupid is as stupid does I guess. I hope that Forrest Gump reject reads this post, so he can see that I'm not threatened by him or his dumbass antics.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Ive seen him. Well, he is persistent, to say the least.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Good Morning all!
I have to say that (having never oned or bought a house), I know only a small fraction of what you're saying Freeze about mortgages (and I do mean a small fraction).
MG, for goodness sakes woman! It would be FARRRRRRRRRRRR simpler and less costly to download and use Turbo Tax then to take to H & R Error.
And I will continue to say that Obama is an amateur playing with a bunch of professionals and he's not faring well. But that's a subject for the politics thread.
Also, has anyone gone over to the newbie area recently? It seems an old nemisis has returned. PM me for details.
Like what? Did he he learn how to spell "a"? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:37:02 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Quite true, man. In fact, it can often be very educational! As I read some of "Norman's" posts, it occurred to me that Cro-Magnon has come a LONG way in communication! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Thats how it is. See, you say a funny word, and 20 or so posts later, we come from Norman to Darth being chased through the desert.
Could be. That is, if DC doesnt catch up with him first, she with her chariot and he on foot... Oh. Theyre getting to a sea of sorts. You think he can swim? I better figure something out...
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So HE is the "leader" of "my" people, eh strat?? HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ten is a good number. I like ten. But not ten "our Strats". Ten with a couple of zeroes next to it... say three. That is a nice number, isnt it? And the € sign must be somewhere close to it as well. Who knows, maybe I will even forget the insinuations aimed at my priests? Could be...
Darth was sent into the desert. Dont ask. Boring stuff. He has to find some weird stone slabs.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..he is "teaching" at a local shelter for boys today. Perhaps I will just do ten "Our Strats" and call it good? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What happened to Darth???????
_strat_ wrote:
Please contact your local Stratist priest, where you will recieve you penance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My sincerest apologies, oh he of great flatulence. I am clearly not worthy........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Commoner! I was modest enough to share my wisdom with you, and thats how you treat me? I fart in you general direction!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want to talk about interest rates...???? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre telling me? I have many talents, and Im very modest too. Infact, you could say that modesty is just one of my many traits.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah, my friend! I am a man of many talents!
_strat_ wrote:
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could be. That is, if DC doesnt catch up with him first, she with her chariot and he on foot... Oh. Theyre getting to a sea of sorts. You think he can swim? I better figure something out...
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So HE is the "leader" of "my" people, eh strat?? HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ten is a good number. I like ten. But not ten "our Strats". Ten with a couple of zeroes next to it... say three. That is a nice number, isnt it? And the € sign must be somewhere close to it as well. Who knows, maybe I will even forget the insinuations aimed at my priests? Could be...
Darth was sent into the desert. Dont ask. Boring stuff. He has to find some weird stone slabs.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..he is "teaching" at a local shelter for boys today. Perhaps I will just do ten "Our Strats" and call it good? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What happened to Darth???????
_strat_ wrote:
Please contact your local Stratist priest, where you will recieve you penance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My sincerest apologies, oh he of great flatulence. I am clearly not worthy........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Commoner! I was modest enough to share my wisdom with you, and thats how you treat me? I fart in you general direction!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want to talk about interest rates...???? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre telling me? I have many talents, and Im very modest too. Infact, you could say that modesty is just one of my many traits.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah, my friend! I am a man of many talents!
_strat_ wrote:
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Could be. That is, if DC doesnt catch up with him first, she with her chariot and he on foot... Oh. Theyre getting to a sea of sorts. You think he can swim? I better figure something out... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:16:54 AM)
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So HE is the "leader" of "my" people, eh strat?? HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ten is a good number. I like ten. But not ten "our Strats". Ten with a couple of zeroes next to it... say three. That is a nice number, isnt it? And the € sign must be somewhere close to it as well. Who knows, maybe I will even forget the insinuations aimed at my priests? Could be...
Darth was sent into the desert. Dont ask. Boring stuff. He has to find some weird stone slabs.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..he is "teaching" at a local shelter for boys today. Perhaps I will just do ten "Our Strats" and call it good? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What happened to Darth???????
_strat_ wrote:
Please contact your local Stratist priest, where you will recieve you penance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My sincerest apologies, oh he of great flatulence. I am clearly not worthy........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Commoner! I was modest enough to share my wisdom with you, and thats how you treat me? I fart in you general direction!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want to talk about interest rates...???? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre telling me? I have many talents, and Im very modest too. Infact, you could say that modesty is just one of my many traits.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah, my friend! I am a man of many talents!
_strat_ wrote:
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ten is a good number. I like ten. But not ten "our Strats". Ten with a couple of zeroes next to it... say three. That is a nice number, isnt it? And the € sign must be somewhere close to it as well. Who knows, maybe I will even forget the insinuations aimed at my priests? Could be...
Darth was sent into the desert. Dont ask. Boring stuff. He has to find some weird stone slabs. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:10:31 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..he is "teaching" at a local shelter for boys today. Perhaps I will just do ten "Our Strats" and call it good? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What happened to Darth???????
_strat_ wrote:
Please contact your local Stratist priest, where you will recieve you penance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My sincerest apologies, oh he of great flatulence. I am clearly not worthy........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Commoner! I was modest enough to share my wisdom with you, and thats how you treat me? I fart in you general direction!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want to talk about interest rates...???? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre telling me? I have many talents, and Im very modest too. Infact, you could say that modesty is just one of my many traits.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah, my friend! I am a man of many talents!
_strat_ wrote:
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My sincerest apologies, oh he of great flatulence. I am clearly not worthy........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Commoner! I was modest enough to share my wisdom with you, and thats how you treat me? I fart in you general direction!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want to talk about interest rates...???? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre telling me? I have many talents, and Im very modest too. Infact, you could say that modesty is just one of my many traits.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah, my friend! I am a man of many talents!
_strat_ wrote:
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Commoner! I was modest enough to share my wisdom with you, and thats how you treat me? I fart in you general direction! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:01:25 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You want to talk about interest rates...???? HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre telling me? I have many talents, and Im very modest too. Infact, you could say that modesty is just one of my many traits.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah, my friend! I am a man of many talents!
_strat_ wrote:
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol... Dont give me too much credti. I just went to Google > pictures and typed "fail"... And there it was!
Seriously... Internet nerds are the masterrace... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 8:00:30 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the single funniest thing I've read all month! OMG...strat my friend, you made my day!
I bet that either Freeze is Jewish, or has picked up some Yiddish in his worldly travels.
_strat_ wrote:
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok... How do they stand on water baloons? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:56:57 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Canada has an Air Force??????? The US Air Force is at least 3 times the size of Canada's.
_strat_ wrote:
See? I said youre a mastermind!
Btw... I sure hope Canada has a decent air force. The most I can offer is a paper airplane.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My house???
_strat_ wrote:
Good boy! Now, go, bomb the vice city! And a particular criminal mastermind in there! You know of whom I speak...
Head banger wrote:
we decline.
spapad wrote:
Pleas dont Bomb Vegas! Honestly, only drunk oldsters like her, we will send her back to Canada, if they will take her back. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
HB, I love you. You just put a sunshine in my day.
Bomb Vegas.
Good day for it too - on this day in world history: 1999, NATO starts bombing Serbia.
Head banger wrote:
isnt she still in vegas?
_strat_ wrote:
Dont even get me started on that... I hate that song and the way it gets stuck in my head.
Please bomb Canada!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ohhh, yes....Titanic. The movie was okay, although my niece wouldn't stop singing that Celine Dion song!!
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
-1861...LONDON'S FIRST TRAMCARS WENT INTO OPERATION.
-1918...LITHUANIA PROCLAIMED INDEPENDENCE.
-1956...SUDAN BECAME INDEPENDENT.
-1972...EVEL KNIEVEL BROKE 93 BONES AFTER SUCCESSFULLY JUMPING 35 CARS.
-1989...A 1,000-FT. ASTEROID MISSED THE EARTH BY 500,000 MILES.
-1998...MOVIE "TITANIC" WON 11 OSCARS AT THE ACADEMY AWARDS.
Nah... You dont have to be like him (although you do a very good impression of him - talk to him, learn his language!). Ive just posted a pic of Darth Vader with the lines "I find your lack of win disturbing - may the fail be with you". That was enough to set him off.
Since when do you speak Hebrew? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:40:07 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is a Yiddish (Jewish) word. It means "nothing." HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! I had NO idea that I would need to go to such great lengths to get a "rise" out of that idiot. I do not wish to engage him that badly! I really do not think he will be back. Justin seems to have made his point quite clear!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus?
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Btw... I sure hope Canada has a decent air force. The most I can offer is a paper airplane. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:29:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
My house???
_strat_ wrote:
Good boy! Now, go, bomb the vice city! And a particular criminal mastermind in there! You know of whom I speak...
Head banger wrote:
we decline.
spapad wrote:
Pleas dont Bomb Vegas! Honestly, only drunk oldsters like her, we will send her back to Canada, if they will take her back. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
HB, I love you. You just put a sunshine in my day.
Bomb Vegas.
Good day for it too - on this day in world history: 1999, NATO starts bombing Serbia.
Head banger wrote:
isnt she still in vegas?
_strat_ wrote:
Dont even get me started on that... I hate that song and the way it gets stuck in my head.
Please bomb Canada!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ohhh, yes....Titanic. The movie was okay, although my niece wouldn't stop singing that Celine Dion song!!
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
-1861...LONDON'S FIRST TRAMCARS WENT INTO OPERATION.
-1918...LITHUANIA PROCLAIMED INDEPENDENCE.
-1956...SUDAN BECAME INDEPENDENT.
-1972...EVEL KNIEVEL BROKE 93 BONES AFTER SUCCESSFULLY JUMPING 35 CARS.
-1989...A 1,000-FT. ASTEROID MISSED THE EARTH BY 500,000 MILES.
-1998...MOVIE "TITANIC" WON 11 OSCARS AT THE ACADEMY AWARDS.
Wait.... Are we still talking about banks and loans, or what? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:23:50 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I meant others as in family and friends. why would they give it to people outside that group.
_strat_ wrote:
Pass it down... They lend it down, to make more money. Its not solidarity.
Head banger wrote:
is it moral to expect part of the world to suport people in a new lifestyle that they were acustomed too because they had introduced new money and toys?
the system of interest is as old as time itself. you borow, you give back more than you took. people create wealth, and pass it down to others.
_strat_ wrote:
Strat is back!
Well, if I read this and the post about the "bundled up" loans... Youre right, I didnt understand it, and frankly, I dont very well even now. BUT... The fact is still that most wealth is held by the minority of people. They loan it out to the rest of us, on their terms. They have created a system that is very complicated, and yet you have to participate in it, if you want to buy a home, buy a new car... Most people have to, anyway. So, if we are talking about the blame - guess who I put it on.
Then there is the whole international thing. We (and Im talking about most of the "rest of the world" as you would put it) have certainly NOT created this crisis - this crisis came to us from the west. Now, because Americans and Western Europeans cannot afford to buy crap, we get less production, we get layoffs... We get as much shit as we can, before it starts to seriously affect you. The problem is that its the western companies that came here with work in the first place, created a dependency for it, and are now withdrawing it.
Now, I guess its down to moralising and "the flowery rights and wrongs" again... But I dont think there ever was a better time for it than now.
Yup. That was my "final" word on the subject... For now, anyway.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Day to you all!!! Very quiet here, I see. Hopefully, we are all studying about mortgages and interest!! HA!!!!!!! Where the hell is strat??? OK, my "final" words on this subject;
This is not a matter of "simple" interest. This is about amortized mortgage interest. An amortization table will show you how direct-reduction works. When you initially take a mortgage loan, your monthly payment is mostly interest and a little principal. In the first seven years or so, you pay only about 10% of the original balance. The rest is interest payment. It takes roughly 20 years to pay about HALF your balance! Of course, the amount of the principal paid does increase year after year and, in the last five years or so, you get a reversal and are paying mostly principal and little interest.
Keep in mind that, no matter how small the interest payment, you still are paying at the same interest rate. 6% is always 6% throughout the life of your loan. The interest you are paying is on the amount that is outstanding in any given year. The dollar amount of interest you pay goes down because the balance (principal) goes down. The interest rate is still constant.
There are ways to get around the dollar amount paid. It is known as acceleration. Most people do this by paying a half-payment every two weeks instead of once a month. (Bi Weekly) this reduces the dollar amount of interest you pay IF you have a loan that allows it. THERE is ANOTHER story!! Pre-payment penalties! Usually, you are not allowed to pay more than 20% of the outstanding balance in any given year because banks WANT that interest dollar!
There is more but I think I have made my point. I have done this for TWENTY freakin years. It is not a simple formula. MOST people do not understand it and they pay far more than they have to as a result. Class dismissed.
Lol... No, no, no... I doesnt work that way!!! Lmao... You have to PM him first! Push his buttons!
Oh, and I know I will probably regret asking this, but what is bubkus? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:26:47 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
He actually PM'd you, strat???? You're kidding? After I flamed him or before I did so?? You know, that is NOT fair! I go over there, post as nasty a set of comments as I am capable, call him everything I can think of, do everything but bring his mother into it and I get NOTHING! ZIP! NADA! BUBKUS!!! I believe I have wasted a great rant!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good boy! Now, go, bomb the vice city! And a particular criminal mastermind in there! You know of whom I speak... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 7:22:15 AM)
Head banger wrote:
we decline.
spapad wrote:
Pleas dont Bomb Vegas! Honestly, only drunk oldsters like her, we will send her back to Canada, if they will take her back. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
HB, I love you. You just put a sunshine in my day.
Bomb Vegas.
Good day for it too - on this day in world history: 1999, NATO starts bombing Serbia.
Head banger wrote:
isnt she still in vegas?
_strat_ wrote:
Dont even get me started on that... I hate that song and the way it gets stuck in my head.
Please bomb Canada!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ohhh, yes....Titanic. The movie was okay, although my niece wouldn't stop singing that Celine Dion song!!
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
-1861...LONDON'S FIRST TRAMCARS WENT INTO OPERATION.
-1918...LITHUANIA PROCLAIMED INDEPENDENCE.
-1956...SUDAN BECAME INDEPENDENT.
-1972...EVEL KNIEVEL BROKE 93 BONES AFTER SUCCESSFULLY JUMPING 35 CARS.
-1989...A 1,000-FT. ASTEROID MISSED THE EARTH BY 500,000 MILES.
-1998...MOVIE "TITANIC" WON 11 OSCARS AT THE ACADEMY AWARDS.
Ahem... There is still the issue of... me. Off with both off your heads!
Oh, and of course... Welcome back Dawn, and heres hoping you stay longer this time! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, March 24, 2009 2:26:11 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Have you visited the thread?? Any usurper to your crown would be slashed to bits by the Faithful! Just WAIT until Sir Guitardude gets a look at this convo.
You really made my day, Dawn.
dawnflint wrote:
LOL! THIS is what i've missed so much. Thank u both for welcoming me back like this!! I was sure someone had stepped in my shoes as queen by now!!!
Yup. I heard a good phrase for it once: "the engine is fine... Theres just nobody behind the wheel." I so hope hes reading all this... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 6:55:45 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Oh, he can read...just not comprehend. It's like being given a brain but no drive to put it to use.
_strat_ wrote:
Youre giving him too much credit - as if he can read.
He is great at threatening. He already PMd me something about "ending my world", after Ive sent him a "may the fail be with you"...
Yup... Much fail I sense in him...
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL...I do give him credit for bringing his dumbass back for more. Stupid is as stupid does I guess. I hope that Forrest Gump reject reads this post, so he can see that I'm not threatened by him or his dumbass antics.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Ive seen him. Well, he is persistent, to say the least.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Good Morning all!
I have to say that (having never oned or bought a house), I know only a small fraction of what you're saying Freeze about mortgages (and I do mean a small fraction).
MG, for goodness sakes woman! It would be FARRRRRRRRRRRR simpler and less costly to download and use Turbo Tax then to take to H & R Error.
And I will continue to say that Obama is an amateur playing with a bunch of professionals and he's not faring well. But that's a subject for the politics thread.
Also, has anyone gone over to the newbie area recently? It seems an old nemisis has returned. PM me for details.
Youre giving him too much credit - as if he can read.
He is great at threatening. He already PMd me something about "ending my world", after Ive sent him a "may the fail be with you"...
Yup... Much fail I sense in him... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:54:13 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL...I do give him credit for bringing his dumbass back for more. Stupid is as stupid does I guess. I hope that Forrest Gump reject reads this post, so he can see that I'm not threatened by him or his dumbass antics.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Ive seen him. Well, he is persistent, to say the least.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Good Morning all!
I have to say that (having never oned or bought a house), I know only a small fraction of what you're saying Freeze about mortgages (and I do mean a small fraction).
MG, for goodness sakes woman! It would be FARRRRRRRRRRRR simpler and less costly to download and use Turbo Tax then to take to H & R Error.
And I will continue to say that Obama is an amateur playing with a bunch of professionals and he's not faring well. But that's a subject for the politics thread.
Also, has anyone gone over to the newbie area recently? It seems an old nemisis has returned. PM me for details.
Lol... Ive seen him. Well, he is persistent, to say the least. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 25, 2009 5:34:01 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Good Morning all!
I have to say that (having never oned or bought a house), I know only a small fraction of what you're saying Freeze about mortgages (and I do mean a small fraction).
MG, for goodness sakes woman! It would be FARRRRRRRRRRRR simpler and less costly to download and use Turbo Tax then to take to H & R Error.
And I will continue to say that Obama is an amateur playing with a bunch of professionals and he's not faring well. But that's a subject for the politics thread.
Also, has anyone gone over to the newbie area recently? It seems an old nemisis has returned. PM me for details.
Pass it down... They lend it down, to make more money. Its not solidarity. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, March 24, 2009 5:47:20 PM)
Head banger wrote:
is it moral to expect part of the world to suport people in a new lifestyle that they were acustomed too because they had introduced new money and toys?
the system of interest is as old as time itself. you borow, you give back more than you took. people create wealth, and pass it down to others.
_strat_ wrote:
Strat is back!
Well, if I read this and the post about the "bundled up" loans... Youre right, I didnt understand it, and frankly, I dont very well even now. BUT... The fact is still that most wealth is held by the minority of people. They loan it out to the rest of us, on their terms. They have created a system that is very complicated, and yet you have to participate in it, if you want to buy a home, buy a new car... Most people have to, anyway. So, if we are talking about the blame - guess who I put it on.
Then there is the whole international thing. We (and Im talking about most of the "rest of the world" as you would put it) have certainly NOT created this crisis - this crisis came to us from the west. Now, because Americans and Western Europeans cannot afford to buy crap, we get less production, we get layoffs... We get as much shit as we can, before it starts to seriously affect you. The problem is that its the western companies that came here with work in the first place, created a dependency for it, and are now withdrawing it.
Now, I guess its down to moralising and "the flowery rights and wrongs" again... But I dont think there ever was a better time for it than now.
Yup. That was my "final" word on the subject... For now, anyway.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Day to you all!!! Very quiet here, I see. Hopefully, we are all studying about mortgages and interest!! HA!!!!!!! Where the hell is strat??? OK, my "final" words on this subject;
This is not a matter of "simple" interest. This is about amortized mortgage interest. An amortization table will show you how direct-reduction works. When you initially take a mortgage loan, your monthly payment is mostly interest and a little principal. In the first seven years or so, you pay only about 10% of the original balance. The rest is interest payment. It takes roughly 20 years to pay about HALF your balance! Of course, the amount of the principal paid does increase year after year and, in the last five years or so, you get a reversal and are paying mostly principal and little interest.
Keep in mind that, no matter how small the interest payment, you still are paying at the same interest rate. 6% is always 6% throughout the life of your loan. The interest you are paying is on the amount that is outstanding in any given year. The dollar amount of interest you pay goes down because the balance (principal) goes down. The interest rate is still constant.
There are ways to get around the dollar amount paid. It is known as acceleration. Most people do this by paying a half-payment every two weeks instead of once a month. (Bi Weekly) this reduces the dollar amount of interest you pay IF you have a loan that allows it. THERE is ANOTHER story!! Pre-payment penalties! Usually, you are not allowed to pay more than 20% of the outstanding balance in any given year because banks WANT that interest dollar!
There is more but I think I have made my point. I have done this for TWENTY freakin years. It is not a simple formula. MOST people do not understand it and they pay far more than they have to as a result. Class dismissed.
Party pooping is my business... And business is good. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:44:29 PM)
If you punch 55378008 into a calculator and flip it upside down it says boobless.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
It makes me long for the days when we thought that typing 1134 on a calculator and flipping it upside down so that it'd spell 'hell' was amusing.
_strat_ wrote:
One of the bullshitiest ideas ever. Its like learning how to use a calculator, without learning how to count first. Not to mention that doing everything exclusively on computers is a really bad idea. You write something on a piece of paper, it stays there. You write something on a computer, it stays there... Until the thing crashes.
Not to mention that a notebook and a pen are much cheaper than laptops.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Never mind a catastrophe! How about documents? How can a future adult rent out an apartment if he/she can't handwrite and sign the document? Or sign a lease on a car? Or even pay bills? Even with fancy modern technology, there are plenty of things out there that need a signature in order to prove authenticity of sorts. That's some deep thinking from the powers that be, all right...
Bev wrote:
Nevermind the economy and budget slights of hand, now the powers that be are concerned about whether or not they should eliminate "handwriting" from core cirriculum, due to modern technology. Helpless should there ever be a mass power outage, or some other catastrophy. I s'pose we could always revert to stone & chissel.
Cant I just be shot? Gallows leave such awfull marks on my neck! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:57:15 PM)
spapad wrote:
OK, Strat! to the gallows with you! Shame on you king to Stratistan! Don't you have a realm to run? LOL
HB, I love you. You just put a sunshine in my day.
Bomb Vegas.
Good day for it too - on this day in world history: 1999, NATO starts bombing Serbia. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, March 24, 2009 9:39:15 AM)
Head banger wrote:
isnt she still in vegas?
_strat_ wrote:
Dont even get me started on that... I hate that song and the way it gets stuck in my head.
Please bomb Canada!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ohhh, yes....Titanic. The movie was okay, although my niece wouldn't stop singing that Celine Dion song!!
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
-1861...LONDON'S FIRST TRAMCARS WENT INTO OPERATION.
-1918...LITHUANIA PROCLAIMED INDEPENDENCE.
-1956...SUDAN BECAME INDEPENDENT.
-1972...EVEL KNIEVEL BROKE 93 BONES AFTER SUCCESSFULLY JUMPING 35 CARS.
-1989...A 1,000-FT. ASTEROID MISSED THE EARTH BY 500,000 MILES.
-1998...MOVIE "TITANIC" WON 11 OSCARS AT THE ACADEMY AWARDS.
Well, if I read this and the post about the "bundled up" loans... Youre right, I didnt understand it, and frankly, I dont very well even now. BUT... The fact is still that most wealth is held by the minority of people. They loan it out to the rest of us, on their terms. They have created a system that is very complicated, and yet you have to participate in it, if you want to buy a home, buy a new car... Most people have to, anyway. So, if we are talking about the blame - guess who I put it on.
Then there is the whole international thing. We (and Im talking about most of the "rest of the world" as you would put it) have certainly NOT created this crisis - this crisis came to us from the west. Now, because Americans and Western Europeans cannot afford to buy crap, we get less production, we get layoffs... We get as much shit as we can, before it starts to seriously affect you. The problem is that its the western companies that came here with work in the first place, created a dependency for it, and are now withdrawing it.
Now, I guess its down to moralising and "the flowery rights and wrongs" again... But I dont think there ever was a better time for it than now.
Yup. That was my "final" word on the subject... For now, anyway. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, March 24, 2009 1:56:42 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Day to you all!!! Very quiet here, I see. Hopefully, we are all studying about mortgages and interest!! HA!!!!!!! Where the hell is strat??? OK, my "final" words on this subject;
This is not a matter of "simple" interest. This is about amortized mortgage interest. An amortization table will show you how direct-reduction works. When you initially take a mortgage loan, your monthly payment is mostly interest and a little principal. In the first seven years or so, you pay only about 10% of the original balance. The rest is interest payment. It takes roughly 20 years to pay about HALF your balance! Of course, the amount of the principal paid does increase year after year and, in the last five years or so, you get a reversal and are paying mostly principal and little interest.
Keep in mind that, no matter how small the interest payment, you still are paying at the same interest rate. 6% is always 6% throughout the life of your loan. The interest you are paying is on the amount that is outstanding in any given year. The dollar amount of interest you pay goes down because the balance (principal) goes down. The interest rate is still constant.
There are ways to get around the dollar amount paid. It is known as acceleration. Most people do this by paying a half-payment every two weeks instead of once a month. (Bi Weekly) this reduces the dollar amount of interest you pay IF you have a loan that allows it. THERE is ANOTHER story!! Pre-payment penalties! Usually, you are not allowed to pay more than 20% of the outstanding balance in any given year because banks WANT that interest dollar!
There is more but I think I have made my point. I have done this for TWENTY freakin years. It is not a simple formula. MOST people do not understand it and they pay far more than they have to as a result. Class dismissed.
True. So, now that we cleared that up, explain why are we in a reccesion, when it was the American citizens who took bad loans, and explain how that is connected. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, March 24, 2009 7:34:47 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
At LAST!!! Someone that gets it...!!! HAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh thank you so much Ron!! You came in and said that people should take responsibility!!! WOW!!! Consequence for action!!! woo hoo!! At last! At last!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!
ronhartsell wrote:
It still ultimately boils down to individual responsibility...I have to agree with the way Freeze put...income-outgoing=???...if that's a negative number, you don't have it...how much more complicated does it have to be??...just because it's 'offered' does NOT mean one should accept!!! RESPONSIBILITY!!!!!
Good morning fellow Metalheads!!!
Head banger wrote:
but, one of the large issues we are not addressing is government debt. the US government owes so much, they destablize the economy just by their daily actions. if the US federal debt was half, they owuld be much further ahead. as the govt debt goes, realy, so does the banks, the corporations, and the citizens.
ronhartsell wrote:
Freeze, HB, MG, strat...all of you have nailed it...blaming the institution is only allowing the individual to escape responsibility!!! No one was forced to sign their names on the dotted line, and that's what all of this boils down to...nothing more, nothing less!!!
THERE ARE NO INNOCENT VICTIMS IN THIS EXCEPT THE TAX PAYER WHO DIDN'T TAKE OUT A LOAN YET HAS NO CHOICE IN WHERE THEIR TAX DOLLARS GO!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, maybe I should put this in the Pissed Off Thread but last night, the Princess and I were watching Dateline NBC and they were doing a report on the "mortgage crisis". Now, before strat goes postal on me just let me say that it truly IS a situation caused by greed and corruption. I get that. Being in the business for twenty years, I saw my fair share of "questionable" loans. OK, now that I have prefaced my comments....:
WHAT????!!!!!!!!!!! I sat here ready to friggin PUKE when I heard these morons talking on camera. There were THREE 'borrowers' that were interviewed and guess what they ALL had in common?? ALL three signed for a loan they could not afford ! Worse yet, they continue (probably for litigation reasons) to insist they had no fault!!! WHAT??!?!!??!?! Oh man. I nearly had a stroke!!!!! What the fu#@????????Look, I know there are bad people in businesses. People that would do things to make a buck regardless of right or wrong. I understand. What irritates me is these borrowers claiming they "did not know" that they could not afford a half-million dollar home on a $1600 a month salary! Or, they claim they believed it because the "lender said they could".. WHATEVER! This is FOURTH GRADE friggin math, people!!!! You make $1600 and the mortgage payment is $3000...um, it DOES NOT WORK. You cannot blame that on anyone but yourself !!!!!!!There was even one lady that bought like THREE properties and her income taxes showed she was LOSING money in her business every year!! (Her quote; 'Oh! Those are MY taxes??) Yet she went ahead and signed papers for millions of dollars in loans and now claims it is NOT her fault!!!!!!!!!! Riiiiiiight....... Disgusting.
Like I said, I get that the banks have some responsibility here. No doubt. But these losers that claim they have NO fault at all make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid people should NOT buy homes! I am SO sick of people blaming business for all there idiocy!
Well, he obviously learned his way around the previous ban, and that seems to be his only concern... I pressed that button too. And everytime I did, it said "another member has already marked this message.../the message will be rewieved". Its a matter of time before Murray gets around to him. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Monday, March 23, 2009 6:57:03 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Ya, a lot of members have ignored him too and have pushed
the famous " Report Offensive Message" button. It's totally impossible for him to learn it!!
Norman, I have told you last year I find you back anytime,
'Cause I can smeel you all over the whole board!!
There's no escape for you!!
No-one likes you, no-one needs you, no-one wants you
and no-one loves you!! Ask yourself why, but I think you didn't find the answer!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, March 23, 2009 5:49:25 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... I got another ignore too. Anyone want to take bets on how long will he last this time? I give him 2 weeks and no more.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Woohoo... Norman, thanks for ignoring me again!! I love it!!
That's the way of your miserable life, indeed, to be a sucker!!
You can't insult Susan, 'Cause you're not to be fit to hold a candle to her. It's just a question of time you get your next -100!! It's starts me to wonder that you make a monkey out of yourself!! Never you can win, just lose, that's all!!
(Quoting Message by magicman from Monday, March 23, 2009 11:06:55 AM)
magicman wrote:
What a horror show
Edited at: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:38:54 PM Edited at: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:40:22 PM
Ohhh, yes....Titanic. The movie was okay, although my niece wouldn't stop singing that Celine Dion song!!
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
-1861...LONDON'S FIRST TRAMCARS WENT INTO OPERATION.
-1918...LITHUANIA PROCLAIMED INDEPENDENCE.
-1956...SUDAN BECAME INDEPENDENT.
-1972...EVEL KNIEVEL BROKE 93 BONES AFTER SUCCESSFULLY JUMPING 35 CARS.
-1989...A 1,000-FT. ASTEROID MISSED THE EARTH BY 500,000 MILES.
-1998...MOVIE "TITANIC" WON 11 OSCARS AT THE ACADEMY AWARDS.
Well, I agree theyre not the only ones to blame. Theres big businesses too.
Sry... If I dont start the day blaming the big bourgeoisie for the bad weather, then I rather call in sick to work. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, March 23, 2009 6:01:57 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! As I said, it is far more complicated than what we can get into here on the Board. There were many that said something about the impending crisis but GREED speaks louder, my friend. And I was not looking to assign a degree or level of blame, I was pointing out how sick I am of the media portraying banks as the lone evil. They are not. Period. No matter what form of social belief you hold true, irresponsibilty remains unacceptable. Shows like Dateline just love to exploit the already skewed sense of fault that permeates this entire, sordid mess.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, rights and wrongs... Sooner or later, for better or for worse, those "flowery rights and wrongs" will be all that matters, since people - stupid or smart, guilty or innocent - that have been tossed into poverty will have enough, and then you will have a social and a political crisis on top of the economic one. If you havent already - we do and we arent even officialy in a reccesion yet! And then we come to the plain and simple fact that this is not just a current crisis of the economy, but a crisis of the system, that will (hopefully) end the two decades of neo-liberal wet dreams.
Now, with banks, its obvious that we have two very different ways here - as I said, over here, youre NOT going to get a loan just by steping into a bank. You couldnt even before the crisis. That was the whole problem here for years (and its only worse now). People just couldnt get a loan, unless they could offer good guarantees that a loan can be repayed. The banks demanded guarantees in real estate, shares... anything that can be bought and sold. When I read from you, about how Americans could take loans where payments exceeded their wages by two times or more, I could hardly believe it. And I agree on that much at least, that in your case, much of the blame is on the people who took those loans. Although, I can still hardly believe that there would be so many such morons to start a crisis like we have now.
And in the end... Banks hold the money. Banks, private or state owned, have a lot of responsibility for the wealth of the society. How come they couldnt predict what would happen if they continue with the policy they had? With all the experts they have? They do have a lot of blame. Because, in the end, it remains that most of the wealth is held by a very small minority of people. Be it in my country, your country, or globaly. And they hold the greatest amount of responsibility for this crisis.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Exactly, HB!
Strat my friend, this is NOT a debate over the "oh so flowery rights and wrongs" of proper lending or borrowing. This is a stark reality, man. You should NEVER sign ANYTHING which you do not understand. Moreover, I do not care if "god" himself tells you that you can "afford it", any rational, thinking human being can see that income is "x" and outgo is "y". There is no other formula to justify it.
YES! Banks expect you to repay,usually. In the case of our current "crisis", it was not an important part of the lending process because loans were put into 'pools' that were sold as "Mortgage Backed Securities" on Wall Street. Banks were not expecting to actually collect the debt as they would in a normal mortgage loan. So, you see this is NOT a simple "percentage" or loan repayment or any of that. As I mentioned way back in our previous discussion on loans and interest, it is FAR more complicated than that. I could explain it but it would be a FAR BIGGER post than even this one is and it will make NO sense to you. (You are welcome to PM me if you would like a more detailed lesson)
There is plenty of blame to go around but very little responsibility. I am just sick of the banks getting hammered in the media as some evil, demonic force that have possessed otherwise good and decent people and ruined their lives. BAH!! Stupid people should NOT own homes. They are better off renting and being told what to do.
_strat_ wrote:
Going postal? What am I supposed to deliver? Or is it just some weird phrase?
Ok... Loans... I guess the question here is, do your banks even know who theyre lending the money to? Im pretty damn sure that I couldnt get a loan for a home with my wage - because the bank will make damn sure that they get their money back, no matter what, and they will confiscate my underwear if they have to. If you want to take a loan here, you have to have the means to repay it - pure and simple.
And, I guess its true, there are stupid people that will take those loans (if they can get them, that is). But... Its a crisis. What if someone gets laid off, and cannot pay the loan that he/she was perfectly able to manage a year ago? What if that happens purely because of an idiotic CEO in his office in Paris that says "Oh, well, we will just close down that factory in Eastern Europe... Fuck them."?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, maybe I should put this in the Pissed Off Thread but last night, the Princess and I were watching Dateline NBC and they were doing a report on the "mortgage crisis". Now, before strat goes postal on me just let me say that it truly IS a situation caused by greed and corruption. I get that. Being in the business for twenty years, I saw my fair share of "questionable" loans. OK, now that I have prefaced my comments....:
WHAT????!!!!!!!!!!! I sat here ready to friggin PUKE when I heard these morons talking on camera. There were THREE 'borrowers' that were interviewed and guess what they ALL had in common?? ALL three signed for a loan they could not afford ! Worse yet, they continue (probably for litigation reasons) to insist they had no fault!!! WHAT??!?!!??!?! Oh man. I nearly had a stroke!!!!! What the fu#@????????Look, I know there are bad people in businesses. People that would do things to make a buck regardless of right or wrong. I understand. What irritates me is these borrowers claiming they "did not know" that they could not afford a half-million dollar home on a $1600 a month salary! Or, they claim they believed it because the "lender said they could".. WHATEVER! This is FOURTH GRADE friggin math, people!!!! You make $1600 and the mortgage payment is $3000...um, it DOES NOT WORK. You cannot blame that on anyone but yourself !!!!!!!There was even one lady that bought like THREE properties and her income taxes showed she was LOSING money in her business every year!! (Her quote; 'Oh! Those are MY taxes??) Yet she went ahead and signed papers for millions of dollars in loans and now claims it is NOT her fault!!!!!!!!!! Riiiiiiight....... Disgusting.
Like I said, I get that the banks have some responsibility here. No doubt. But these losers that claim they have NO fault at all make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid people should NOT buy homes! I am SO sick of people blaming business for all there idiocy!
The Daily Fail? Thank you very much, but no. I have good digestion. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, March 23, 2009 9:22:42 PM)
spapad wrote:
Read the Daily Mail online. They hate him and they hate Blair too!
Becks wrote:
I'm not sure what the Brits reckon of Gordon Brown but I don't think he is very popular, in part because as you said, he wasn't actually elected by the public.
spapad wrote:
I know he is. And he is the biggest fool to ever govern, who was not ever voted in! Sold off gold reserves for a fraction! Why the hell did he do it in the first place! There are very few dumber than that fool. OOOOooops, Sorry, forgot we had Dubbah!(Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, March 23, 2009 9:15:03 PM)
Becks wrote:
LMAO Gordon Brown! The old Scottish dude who took us on our boat trip on Loch Ness was like 'The English can have him he's an idiot!' (cos GB is actually Scottish lol).
spapad wrote:
Darn HB, the only time I wished you lived in Britian. So I could say say two words, ........Gordon Brown.
Head banger wrote:
but, one of the large issues we are not addressing is government debt. the US government owes so much, they destablize the economy just by their daily actions. if the US federal debt was half, they owuld be much further ahead. as the govt debt goes, realy, so does the banks, the corporations, and the citizens.
ronhartsell wrote:
Freeze, HB, MG, strat...all of you have nailed it...blaming the institution is only allowing the individual to escape responsibility!!! No one was forced to sign their names on the dotted line, and that's what all of this boils down to...nothing more, nothing less!!!
THERE ARE NO INNOCENT VICTIMS IN THIS EXCEPT THE TAX PAYER WHO DIDN'T TAKE OUT A LOAN YET HAS NO CHOICE IN WHERE THEIR TAX DOLLARS GO!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, maybe I should put this in the Pissed Off Thread but last night, the Princess and I were watching Dateline NBC and they were doing a report on the "mortgage crisis". Now, before strat goes postal on me just let me say that it truly IS a situation caused by greed and corruption. I get that. Being in the business for twenty years, I saw my fair share of "questionable" loans. OK, now that I have prefaced my comments....:
WHAT????!!!!!!!!!!! I sat here ready to friggin PUKE when I heard these morons talking on camera. There were THREE 'borrowers' that were interviewed and guess what they ALL had in common?? ALL three signed for a loan they could not afford ! Worse yet, they continue (probably for litigation reasons) to insist they had no fault!!! WHAT??!?!!??!?! Oh man. I nearly had a stroke!!!!! What the fu#@????????Look, I know there are bad people in businesses. People that would do things to make a buck regardless of right or wrong. I understand. What irritates me is these borrowers claiming they "did not know" that they could not afford a half-million dollar home on a $1600 a month salary! Or, they claim they believed it because the "lender said they could".. WHATEVER! This is FOURTH GRADE friggin math, people!!!! You make $1600 and the mortgage payment is $3000...um, it DOES NOT WORK. You cannot blame that on anyone but yourself !!!!!!!There was even one lady that bought like THREE properties and her income taxes showed she was LOSING money in her business every year!! (Her quote; 'Oh! Those are MY taxes??) Yet she went ahead and signed papers for millions of dollars in loans and now claims it is NOT her fault!!!!!!!!!! Riiiiiiight....... Disgusting.
Like I said, I get that the banks have some responsibility here. No doubt. But these losers that claim they have NO fault at all make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid people should NOT buy homes! I am SO sick of people blaming business for all there idiocy!
Lol... I got another ignore too. Anyone want to take bets on how long will he last this time? I give him 2 weeks and no more. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Monday, March 23, 2009 4:24:38 PM)
Phantom A6 wrote:
Woohoo... Norman, thanks for ignoring me again!! I love it!!
That's the way of your miserable life, indeed, to be a sucker!!
You can't insult Susan, 'Cause you're not to be fit to hold a candle to her. It's just a question of time you get your next -100!! It's starts me to wonder that you make a monkey out of yourself!! Never you can win, just lose, that's all!!
(Quoting Message by magicman from Monday, March 23, 2009 11:06:55 AM)
magicman wrote:
What a horror show
Edited at: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:38:54 PM Edited at: Monday, March 23, 2009 4:40:22 PM
Well, rights and wrongs... Sooner or later, for better or for worse, those "flowery rights and wrongs" will be all that matters, since people - stupid or smart, guilty or innocent - that have been tossed into poverty will have enough, and then you will have a social and a political crisis on top of the economic one. If you havent already - we do and we arent even officialy in a reccesion yet! And then we come to the plain and simple fact that this is not just a current crisis of the economy, but a crisis of the system, that will (hopefully) end the two decades of neo-liberal wet dreams.
Now, with banks, its obvious that we have two very different ways here - as I said, over here, youre NOT going to get a loan just by steping into a bank. You couldnt even before the crisis. That was the whole problem here for years (and its only worse now). People just couldnt get a loan, unless they could offer good guarantees that a loan can be repayed. The banks demanded guarantees in real estate, shares... anything that can be bought and sold. When I read from you, about how Americans could take loans where payments exceeded their wages by two times or more, I could hardly believe it. And I agree on that much at least, that in your case, much of the blame is on the people who took those loans. Although, I can still hardly believe that there would be so many such morons to start a crisis like we have now.
And in the end... Banks hold the money. Banks, private or state owned, have a lot of responsibility for the wealth of the society. How come they couldnt predict what would happen if they continue with the policy they had? With all the experts they have? They do have a lot of blame. Because, in the end, it remains that most of the wealth is held by a very small minority of people. Be it in my country, your country, or globaly. And they hold the greatest amount of responsibility for this crisis.
Exactly, HB!
Strat my friend, this is NOT a debate over the "oh so flowery rights and wrongs" of proper lending or borrowing. This is a stark reality, man. You should NEVER sign ANYTHING which you do not understand. Moreover, I do not care if "god" himself tells you that you can "afford it", any rational, thinking human being can see that income is "x" and outgo is "y". There is no other formula to justify it.
YES! Banks expect you to repay,usually. In the case of our current "crisis", it was not an important part of the lending process because loans were put into 'pools' that were sold as "Mortgage Backed Securities" on Wall Street. Banks were not expecting to actually collect the debt as they would in a normal mortgage loan. So, you see this is NOT a simple "percentage" or loan repayment or any of that. As I mentioned way back in our previous discussion on loans and interest, it is FAR more complicated than that. I could explain it but it would be a FAR BIGGER post than even this one is and it will make NO sense to you. (You are welcome to PM me if you would like a more detailed lesson)
There is plenty of blame to go around but very little responsibility. I am just sick of the banks getting hammered in the media as some evil, demonic force that have possessed otherwise good and decent people and ruined their lives. BAH!! Stupid people should NOT own homes. They are better off renting and being told what to do.
_strat_ wrote:
Going postal? What am I supposed to deliver? Or is it just some weird phrase?
Ok... Loans... I guess the question here is, do your banks even know who theyre lending the money to? Im pretty damn sure that I couldnt get a loan for a home with my wage - because the bank will make damn sure that they get their money back, no matter what, and they will confiscate my underwear if they have to. If you want to take a loan here, you have to have the means to repay it - pure and simple.
And, I guess its true, there are stupid people that will take those loans (if they can get them, that is). But... Its a crisis. What if someone gets laid off, and cannot pay the loan that he/she was perfectly able to manage a year ago? What if that happens purely because of an idiotic CEO in his office in Paris that says "Oh, well, we will just close down that factory in Eastern Europe... Fuck them."?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, maybe I should put this in the Pissed Off Thread but last night, the Princess and I were watching Dateline NBC and they were doing a report on the "mortgage crisis". Now, before strat goes postal on me just let me say that it truly IS a situation caused by greed and corruption. I get that. Being in the business for twenty years, I saw my fair share of "questionable" loans. OK, now that I have prefaced my comments....:
WHAT????!!!!!!!!!!! I sat here ready to friggin PUKE when I heard these morons talking on camera. There were THREE 'borrowers' that were interviewed and guess what they ALL had in common?? ALL three signed for a loan they could not afford ! Worse yet, they continue (probably for litigation reasons) to insist they had no fault!!! WHAT??!?!!??!?! Oh man. I nearly had a stroke!!!!! What the fu#@????????Look, I know there are bad people in businesses. People that would do things to make a buck regardless of right or wrong. I understand. What irritates me is these borrowers claiming they "did not know" that they could not afford a half-million dollar home on a $1600 a month salary! Or, they claim they believed it because the "lender said they could".. WHATEVER! This is FOURTH GRADE friggin math, people!!!! You make $1600 and the mortgage payment is $3000...um, it DOES NOT WORK. You cannot blame that on anyone but yourself !!!!!!!There was even one lady that bought like THREE properties and her income taxes showed she was LOSING money in her business every year!! (Her quote; 'Oh! Those are MY taxes??) Yet she went ahead and signed papers for millions of dollars in loans and now claims it is NOT her fault!!!!!!!!!! Riiiiiiight....... Disgusting.
Like I said, I get that the banks have some responsibility here. No doubt. But these losers that claim they have NO fault at all make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid people should NOT buy homes! I am SO sick of people blaming business for all there idiocy!
Going postal? What am I supposed to deliver? Or is it just some weird phrase?
Ok... Loans... I guess the question here is, do your banks even know who theyre lending the money to? Im pretty damn sure that I couldnt get a loan for a home with my wage - because the bank will make damn sure that they get their money back, no matter what, and they will confiscate my underwear if they have to. If you want to take a loan here, you have to have the means to repay it - pure and simple.
And, I guess its true, there are stupid people that will take those loans (if they can get them, that is). But... Its a crisis. What if someone gets laid off, and cannot pay the loan that he/she was perfectly able to manage a year ago? What if that happens purely because of an idiotic CEO in his office in Paris that says "Oh, well, we will just close down that factory in Eastern Europe... Fuck them."? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, March 23, 2009 8:59:18 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, maybe I should put this in the Pissed Off Thread but last night, the Princess and I were watching Dateline NBC and they were doing a report on the "mortgage crisis". Now, before strat goes postal on me just let me say that it truly IS a situation caused by greed and corruption. I get that. Being in the business for twenty years, I saw my fair share of "questionable" loans. OK, now that I have prefaced my comments....:
WHAT????!!!!!!!!!!! I sat here ready to friggin PUKE when I heard these morons talking on camera. There were THREE 'borrowers' that were interviewed and guess what they ALL had in common?? ALL three signed for a loan they could not afford ! Worse yet, they continue (probably for litigation reasons) to insist they had no fault!!! WHAT??!?!!??!?! Oh man. I nearly had a stroke!!!!! What the fu#@????????Look, I know there are bad people in businesses. People that would do things to make a buck regardless of right or wrong. I understand. What irritates me is these borrowers claiming they "did not know" that they could not afford a half-million dollar home on a $1600 a month salary! Or, they claim they believed it because the "lender said they could".. WHATEVER! This is FOURTH GRADE friggin math, people!!!! You make $1600 and the mortgage payment is $3000...um, it DOES NOT WORK. You cannot blame that on anyone but yourself !!!!!!!There was even one lady that bought like THREE properties and her income taxes showed she was LOSING money in her business every year!! (Her quote; 'Oh! Those are MY taxes??) Yet she went ahead and signed papers for millions of dollars in loans and now claims it is NOT her fault!!!!!!!!!! Riiiiiiight....... Disgusting.
Like I said, I get that the banks have some responsibility here. No doubt. But these losers that claim they have NO fault at all make me sick!!!!!!!!!!!! Stupid people should NOT buy homes! I am SO sick of people blaming business for all there idiocy!
Well, yes. True. But... They are closing their foreign factories first. When Renault has to choose which plant to close down - the one in France, or the one in Slovenia - no rewards for guessing which one will be closed down first. No rewards for guessing which plant has the most work now - the one in France, obviosuly. And if Chrysler and Ford have any foreign factories, Im sure that those places were the first ones to get screwed. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, March 23, 2009 7:31:19 AM)
Head banger wrote:
speculators dont have much to do with it. the average person doesnt have the money to spend on new cars yearly right now. they are not moving plants so much as closing them. a few weeks at part pay sucks, perhaps, but its beter than a closed plant.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, whoopedy - fucking - doo... Fucking speculators. Over here, there isnt enough work, because all the foreign companies are moving work from here to their countries... If Renault closes down the plant here, there will be thousands of workers laid off, not to mention those that work for subcontractors... If Renault is doing what Ford and Chrysler are doing, theres going to be a revolution here. I suddenly understand Freezes annonyance with the French.
Oh, whoopedy - fucking - doo... Fucking speculators. Over here, there isnt enough work, because all the foreign companies are moving work from here to their countries... If Renault closes down the plant here, there will be thousands of workers laid off, not to mention those that work for subcontractors... If Renault is doing what Ford and Chrysler are doing, theres going to be a revolution here. I suddenly understand Freezes annonyance with the French.
Do they pay pay the wages at least? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 23, 2009 5:09:51 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Not at all strat. There is plenty of work for Ron and the auto industry workers. What's happening is that Ford, along with General Motors and probably Chrysler too....they shut down plants for a couple of weeks to save money.
_strat_ wrote:
You mean theres no work, and theyre sending you on the "vacation" (thats how they call it here - unpaid, of course)? Damit, that sucks... Theyre doing it here too, tho fortunately, not in my section. Yet. Do you at least get paid for those three weeks?
If this shit goes on, we will all be living in huts by next year...
ronhartsell wrote:
Not for me, the plant where I work at will be closed for 3 weeks...(thank you Ford Motor Company!!!)
_strat_ wrote:
Just dropping by to say hi to both of you... I wont be on much today. Got a LOT of work.
Yup. 4 more days till friday... 6 till sunday... Then it starts all over again.
You mean theres no work, and theyre sending you on the "vacation" (thats how they call it here - unpaid, of course)? Damit, that sucks... Theyre doing it here too, tho fortunately, not in my section. Yet. Do you at least get paid for those three weeks?
If this shit goes on, we will all be living in huts by next year... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, March 23, 2009 4:55:33 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Not for me, the plant where I work at will be closed for 3 weeks...(thank you Ford Motor Company!!!)
_strat_ wrote:
Just dropping by to say hi to both of you... I wont be on much today. Got a LOT of work.
Yup. 4 more days till friday... 6 till sunday... Then it starts all over again.
Considering his physique, I think just walking away should be enough. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:39:14 AM)
spapad wrote:
Yikes! DC here is the 1-900 caller! Run away!
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... I think I have the answer.
What youre witnessing here is an ubernoob in his natural habitat. And no, its not me. Im thinner.
I dont know. You tell us. What was the accent? Aussie or Slavic? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:34:00 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK! Which one of you was it??????????
Well, well, well... You just started the business, and your going international already. Aint that a bit rash? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:56:32 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Ohh trust me i have thought about it....... Hehehehe..... you want to be my first customer??
spapad wrote:
DC, maybe you have found a solution to your temporary job slump. Get on one of those 1-900 chat lines, and get paid to do something you like to do anyway! LOL Just kidding!
devils_child wrote:
You want me to send you a dirty PM Ron?....... LOL, I'm so much worse in person.....
ronhartsell wrote:
you are soooooooo bad!!!
devils_child wrote:
Thanks babe..... My pm's usually consist of dirty things I can't / won't say on the board...... so.........who want's a PM from me?!?!
Necroticist wrote:
Hehe - i get a few...
devils_child wrote:
You got PM's....... I'm jealous.... Wanna send me one to answer??...
Necroticist wrote:
Good day all - now am gonna shut up and answer all PM's... :)
DC, maybe you have found a solution to your temporary job slump. Get on one of those 1-900 chat lines, and get paid to do something you like to do anyway! LOL Just kidding!
devils_child wrote:
You want me to send you a dirty PM Ron?....... LOL, I'm so much worse in person.....
ronhartsell wrote:
you are soooooooo bad!!!
devils_child wrote:
Thanks babe..... My pm's usually consist of dirty things I can't / won't say on the board...... so.........who want's a PM from me?!?!
Necroticist wrote:
Hehe - i get a few...
devils_child wrote:
You got PM's....... I'm jealous.... Wanna send me one to answer??...
Necroticist wrote:
Good day all - now am gonna shut up and answer all PM's... :)
Ffs... I leave you unsupervised for just a couple of hours, and you start going on about knifes and balls, and how they go together. Youre all grounded!
What if I just fly there? Would that be cheating? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 20, 2009 4:41:01 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Circumvent the Earth's Core and stay within the mantle.
_strat_ wrote:
Good point. I will get my neighbour to go first.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Yeah...the other side, but rather fried I would think.
_strat_ wrote:
Exactly 12 hrs ahead of us, then... So, if I start digging a tunnel through the center of the earth, I know where I will come out.
Becks wrote:
It's 10:30pm friday night, Rick.
Hopefully today goes fast for you guys so you can move on in to the weekend LOL.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I'm good Becks...Just chillin' out at the office (I support my co's overseas offices).
Becks wrote:
Hiya Darth, I'm about, although it's nearly my bed time LOL. How are ya?
That would be a waste of my precious talents. Im much more efficient as a potato eater. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 20, 2009 4:35:13 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
That does it! Now my panties are in a bunch! Better shine my shoes while your down there Private, or I'll bust you down to Potato Peeler!
_strat_ wrote:
Yes maam... Droping and giving 50. Honest!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Excuse me, Private! That would be, "...This week was really a drag, sir". According to a stupid quiz on Facebook, I am a General. Now, drop and give me 50 (push ups)!
_strat_ wrote:
Private Strat reporting for duty, sir!
And yeah... TGIF!!! This week was really a drag...
Yes maam... Droping and giving 50. Honest! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 20, 2009 4:28:54 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Excuse me, Private! That would be, "...This week was really a drag, sir". According to a stupid quiz on Facebook, I am a General. Now, drop and give me 50 (push ups)!
_strat_ wrote:
Private Strat reporting for duty, sir!
And yeah... TGIF!!! This week was really a drag...
And yeah... TGIF!!! This week was really a drag... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 20, 2009 4:12:26 AM)
I second Freeze, that mural is awesome! Really inspiring. And that west too - pretty soon you will be able to scrap the denim and just sew the patches together to make a west! Really kicks ass.
... now there's a man after my own heart... I'll bring the Becks.
Phantom A6 wrote:
Mmmm.... sweetie, there's enough nutella for us!!
devils_child wrote:
Should this topic gonna die?
( ) Yes
( ) No
( ) possible
( ) eventually
( ) I don't know
( ) Need a green card
( ) I'm out of salad
( X) Want to live in the forest.... (with all the nice people here)
Poor Chrysler, then. I hope they will forgive me for not crying myself to sleep over this. The separate firm, Chrysler, or whoever owes the workers that money, should pay up. Until then, it seems that what theyre doing now is the only thing that will get them anywhere.
well, they claim they are owed that. but they are not owed that by chrysler, they work for a separate firm. chrysler contracts who they chose.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... They are on Chrysler property, they have Chryslers tools, and they are being owed a total of 1,7 million dollars. Trade off. I hope they get whats theirs. Violence seems to be the only thing that separates the greedy from their money - even if that money isnt really theirs to begin with.
good example here of long term planning.
wonder if they left open a side door for food delivery?
wonder also why anyone would think that locking out the boss will make him want to negotiate with you???
Well... They are on Chrysler property, they have Chryslers tools, and they are being owed a total of 1,7 million dollars. Trade off. I hope they get whats theirs. Violence seems to be the only thing that separates the greedy from their money - even if that money isnt really theirs to begin with. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:54:29 PM)
good example here of long term planning.
wonder if they left open a side door for food delivery?
wonder also why anyone would think that locking out the boss will make him want to negotiate with you???
The pope dreams about his altar boys. He read it in a book. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:35:45 AM)
Head banger wrote:
right. I meant to say we dont disagree.
the pope didnt write it, he was told it in a dream. HA!
_strat_ wrote:
You mean we do agree on something?
In any case, this one is so fucking obvious, that Im surprised even Oprah fell for it (since she seems to fall for any dumb new age shit out there - then again she could have gotten a "compensation" for wawing that shit on her show). That "suppressed knowledge" reminds me of the Da Vinci code, and the "Ancient secret" I wont even comment. Its marketing, nothing else.
"You can get everything you want, if you only believe"... Did the pope write this shit?!?!
Head banger wrote:
see strat, we dont agree with everything in this thread!!! well said
_strat_ wrote:
Bullshit. "The secret will give you everything you want"?!?!?! DVDs, books, films? Spirituality? "Believe, and things will just happen"?!?!?! Seriously, what kind of a bullshit is that? "The secret made me realise I want a new house in 6 months!" Well, whoopdee-fucking-doo. I want a house of my own too, but I didnt need no bullshit DVD to figure that out!
And all packed in that "ancient secret" package, and "suppressed knowledge"... Someone is going to make a pile of cash, and a whole lot of people will be disapointed. (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, March 16, 2009 11:20:39 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
THE SECRETOur company is introducing this program into our daily routine. It's optional training, but it is encouraged and advised. Especially amongst the older employers and managers (myself being both.) I've always been leery of 'snake-oil salesmen' and 'positive thinking gurus.' And I'm very wary of 'New Age' preachers and speakers that speak of goals and success without including GOD into the equation. So when I see something like this, part of me wants to run. While the other part is seduced by the attraction. Either way, it cannot hurt to try. But can it? Is the spiritual trade-off worth the price and result? a. Hammerstein
I completly agree. But, I dont see where the cosmos (whatever the fuck that means) or spirituality come into this. If you want to do something, achieve somthing, get something, you kinda have to think that its possible before you try it, or else whats the point?
Now, I havent read the book or seen the DVD - and I dont mean to, either - but from what I saw, I dont think ill be missing much. Certainly not any bullshit that I havent heard before. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:47:01 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh MAN! Brutal, strat! You know, I have discussed some of that before. The Law of Attraction is very real as far as I am concerned. When Oprah or these other "New Age Thinkers" you describe talk about "getting what you want by believing", they are really referring to Attraction. Now, that whole thing has been twisted by certain people. You see, I do believe you can influence your life through believing you can. The Law of Attraction states that all things of common bond attract one another. Positive thought attracts the same. BUT, it is like any other physical law, it has a true foundation. You cannot THINK yourself into making your face become Brad Pitt's. Doesn't work like that. Just as you cannot use the Law or Gravity and say that you can believe you will increase it to pull yourself through the earth's crust! Doesn't work like that.
You can attract certain things into your life through the Law of Attraction. "As a man thinketh, so he is."
_strat_ wrote:
You mean we do agree on something?
In any case, this one is so fucking obvious, that Im surprised even Oprah fell for it (since she seems to fall for any dumb new age shit out there - then again she could have gotten a "compensation" for wawing that shit on her show). That "suppressed knowledge" reminds me of the Da Vinci code, and the "Ancient secret" I wont even comment. Its marketing, nothing else.
"You can get everything you want, if you only believe"... Did the pope write this shit?!?!
Head banger wrote:
see strat, we dont agree with everything in this thread!!! well said
_strat_ wrote:
Bullshit. "The secret will give you everything you want"?!?!?! DVDs, books, films? Spirituality? "Believe, and things will just happen"?!?!?! Seriously, what kind of a bullshit is that? "The secret made me realise I want a new house in 6 months!" Well, whoopdee-fucking-doo. I want a house of my own too, but I didnt need no bullshit DVD to figure that out!
And all packed in that "ancient secret" package, and "suppressed knowledge"... Someone is going to make a pile of cash, and a whole lot of people will be disapointed. (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, March 16, 2009 11:20:39 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
THE SECRETOur company is introducing this program into our daily routine. It's optional training, but it is encouraged and advised. Especially amongst the older employers and managers (myself being both.) I've always been leery of 'snake-oil salesmen' and 'positive thinking gurus.' And I'm very wary of 'New Age' preachers and speakers that speak of goals and success without including GOD into the equation. So when I see something like this, part of me wants to run. While the other part is seduced by the attraction. Either way, it cannot hurt to try. But can it? Is the spiritual trade-off worth the price and result? a. Hammerstein
Couldnt say. I dont know what simple and compund is. I know that there is the thing where, if you have 500€ and a 10% interest rate, that amounts to 550€. Then there is another where the interest rate is set, but depends on individual payments, rather than the entire amount of money. At least that what they taught us - a bit later, tho, that was in high school, and we even took a test on it.
You know, I would be a rotten liar if I said that I paid attention all the time. Or even most of the time. But I do know basic arithmetics, and percents are as basic as it gets.
I remember learning about %s and how to calculate with them when I wasnt much more than ten. And, frankly, thats all you really need to figure out interests.
Well my friend, you are partially correct. Did they teach you the difference netween Simple and Compound interest? It is not always as simple as you mentioned. Yes, we have compulsory education here but, quite frankly, I do not believe everyone pays attention the whole time!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, how uneducated can you get? I mean, you do have compulsory education up to the age of 15, do you? We have it, and I remember learning about %s and how to calculate with them when I wasnt much more than ten. And, frankly, thats all you really need to figure out interests.
Yup. Changes. And adapting. And tightening the belt a bit. Some people seem to think that a new car every 3 years is their god-given right. That its their god given right to go to a supermarket, fill up a trolley, pay with a credit card and thats it. We will see - we are burning off reserves, reccesion is at the doorstep. We will see how that kind of people will fare in it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! You'd be surprised, strat. You really would. People are just stupid, by and large. Well, uneducated I guess is a better term. It is really an economic decision, just as with anything else financial.
This country is in a terrible recession. People are losing money like crazy. There are times when a poor (Bear) market require changes in how one uses one's money. Really the only people making money in stocks and such are a few Day Traders and Commodities folks. You must adapt. I have ALL our money in Money Market accounts and CDs right now. Safest place to be. NOT a huge payback but safe. You have to THINK in times such as these. Greed can cause terrible mistakes.
_strat_ wrote:
I already do. Thats something you take into consideration when you buy it. You dont buy a car (or anything that costs like a car) like you buy a loaf of bread. IDK whats complicated about that.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose it was, strat!! As for cars, they do tell you a price here but it is NOT the TOTAL COST! Total cost is car price plus all those interest payments you make over the years. You will know what I mean someday, man. Happens all the time here in the US. If people actually knew what the total cost of things were, they would scream. You buy a 15K car and pay 60 payments of $350 a month. (Do the math!)
_strat_ wrote:
They dont tell you the full price? IDK... There must be some kind of a law against that... But in any case, I never bought anything so big I would have to pay it in rates, but I know that everytime we talk about stuff like cars, appartments, ect. we always speak in full prices. Not "I got this car for ten payments of 300€". 3000€, and thats it. Come to think of it, its a good habbit.
It was really funny before we had euros, when stuff like cars and appartments would cost millions of Slo. Tolars... The good old days - when we were all millionares.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Very wise, my friend. You know, so many people think they understand interest but do not. When people in this country buy a house, they are always worried about "rate"....RATE RATE RATE. Amazing. Rate is merely a payment amount! Seriously. What they need to be concerned with is total cost, just as you mentioned. What will it cost me in full? If you go to buy a car, try asking the sales guy what the price of the car is, IN FULL. All they do is sell you a payment. They do not want you to know what the total cost is!! THAT is how interest really works.
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. And I usualy get a percent or two of discount if I pay in cash. Just for the big stuff, tho, like when I bought the guitar amp.
Frankly, I know what is a "limit" and I get "interest", but... I just choose the simplest way. I know how much I have = I know how much I can spend. Not the stuff when "I have 500€, but I can spend 700, and pay the difference later". Just complications. Expensive ones too.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's a great point strat. Knowing what you are spending. People use credit, pay the monthly payments and get buried by interest. Worse yet, MOST people do NOT truly understand interest and that is a HUGE problem.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont use any money-related cards either. No credit cards, and even tho I have my bank card (or whatever its called - the one you stick in the ATM machine), I dont pay with it either. My reason is just that... I like cash. Really, with cards I never have a feeling on how much Im spending that I have with coins and banknotes.
Deep Freeze wrote:
'Morning, gents. Interesting conversation. I do not use credit cards, either. As a matter of fact, I am constantly crusading against them. In this country, credit is the number one obstacle towards wealth. You simply cannnot build true wealth when you are in debt. Working for a bank, I have seen some horrible mistakes with credit. I have a car payment but only because I did not want to spend all the cash at once. Same with the house. But I do not carry even ONE credit card and neither does the Princess. We use debit or pay cash. Period.
Well, how uneducated can you get? I mean, you do have compulsory education up to the age of 15, do you? We have it, and I remember learning about %s and how to calculate with them when I wasnt much more than ten. And, frankly, thats all you really need to figure out interests.
Yup. Changes. And adapting. And tightening the belt a bit. Some people seem to think that a new car every 3 years is their god-given right. That its their god given right to go to a supermarket, fill up a trolley, pay with a credit card and thats it. We will see - we are burning off reserves, reccesion is at the doorstep. We will see how that kind of people will fare in it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:29:42 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! You'd be surprised, strat. You really would. People are just stupid, by and large. Well, uneducated I guess is a better term. It is really an economic decision, just as with anything else financial.
This country is in a terrible recession. People are losing money like crazy. There are times when a poor (Bear) market require changes in how one uses one's money. Really the only people making money in stocks and such are a few Day Traders and Commodities folks. You must adapt. I have ALL our money in Money Market accounts and CDs right now. Safest place to be. NOT a huge payback but safe. You have to THINK in times such as these. Greed can cause terrible mistakes.
_strat_ wrote:
I already do. Thats something you take into consideration when you buy it. You dont buy a car (or anything that costs like a car) like you buy a loaf of bread. IDK whats complicated about that.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose it was, strat!! As for cars, they do tell you a price here but it is NOT the TOTAL COST! Total cost is car price plus all those interest payments you make over the years. You will know what I mean someday, man. Happens all the time here in the US. If people actually knew what the total cost of things were, they would scream. You buy a 15K car and pay 60 payments of $350 a month. (Do the math!)
_strat_ wrote:
They dont tell you the full price? IDK... There must be some kind of a law against that... But in any case, I never bought anything so big I would have to pay it in rates, but I know that everytime we talk about stuff like cars, appartments, ect. we always speak in full prices. Not "I got this car for ten payments of 300€". 3000€, and thats it. Come to think of it, its a good habbit.
It was really funny before we had euros, when stuff like cars and appartments would cost millions of Slo. Tolars... The good old days - when we were all millionares.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Very wise, my friend. You know, so many people think they understand interest but do not. When people in this country buy a house, they are always worried about "rate"....RATE RATE RATE. Amazing. Rate is merely a payment amount! Seriously. What they need to be concerned with is total cost, just as you mentioned. What will it cost me in full? If you go to buy a car, try asking the sales guy what the price of the car is, IN FULL. All they do is sell you a payment. They do not want you to know what the total cost is!! THAT is how interest really works.
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. And I usualy get a percent or two of discount if I pay in cash. Just for the big stuff, tho, like when I bought the guitar amp.
Frankly, I know what is a "limit" and I get "interest", but... I just choose the simplest way. I know how much I have = I know how much I can spend. Not the stuff when "I have 500€, but I can spend 700, and pay the difference later". Just complications. Expensive ones too.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's a great point strat. Knowing what you are spending. People use credit, pay the monthly payments and get buried by interest. Worse yet, MOST people do NOT truly understand interest and that is a HUGE problem.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont use any money-related cards either. No credit cards, and even tho I have my bank card (or whatever its called - the one you stick in the ATM machine), I dont pay with it either. My reason is just that... I like cash. Really, with cards I never have a feeling on how much Im spending that I have with coins and banknotes.
Deep Freeze wrote:
'Morning, gents. Interesting conversation. I do not use credit cards, either. As a matter of fact, I am constantly crusading against them. In this country, credit is the number one obstacle towards wealth. You simply cannnot build true wealth when you are in debt. Working for a bank, I have seen some horrible mistakes with credit. I have a car payment but only because I did not want to spend all the cash at once. Same with the house. But I do not carry even ONE credit card and neither does the Princess. We use debit or pay cash. Period.
I already do. Thats something you take into consideration when you buy it. You dont buy a car (or anything that costs like a car) like you buy a loaf of bread. IDK whats complicated about that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:19:07 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose it was, strat!! As for cars, they do tell you a price here but it is NOT the TOTAL COST! Total cost is car price plus all those interest payments you make over the years. You will know what I mean someday, man. Happens all the time here in the US. If people actually knew what the total cost of things were, they would scream. You buy a 15K car and pay 60 payments of $350 a month. (Do the math!)
_strat_ wrote:
They dont tell you the full price? IDK... There must be some kind of a law against that... But in any case, I never bought anything so big I would have to pay it in rates, but I know that everytime we talk about stuff like cars, appartments, ect. we always speak in full prices. Not "I got this car for ten payments of 300€". 3000€, and thats it. Come to think of it, its a good habbit.
It was really funny before we had euros, when stuff like cars and appartments would cost millions of Slo. Tolars... The good old days - when we were all millionares.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Very wise, my friend. You know, so many people think they understand interest but do not. When people in this country buy a house, they are always worried about "rate"....RATE RATE RATE. Amazing. Rate is merely a payment amount! Seriously. What they need to be concerned with is total cost, just as you mentioned. What will it cost me in full? If you go to buy a car, try asking the sales guy what the price of the car is, IN FULL. All they do is sell you a payment. They do not want you to know what the total cost is!! THAT is how interest really works.
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. And I usualy get a percent or two of discount if I pay in cash. Just for the big stuff, tho, like when I bought the guitar amp.
Frankly, I know what is a "limit" and I get "interest", but... I just choose the simplest way. I know how much I have = I know how much I can spend. Not the stuff when "I have 500€, but I can spend 700, and pay the difference later". Just complications. Expensive ones too.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's a great point strat. Knowing what you are spending. People use credit, pay the monthly payments and get buried by interest. Worse yet, MOST people do NOT truly understand interest and that is a HUGE problem.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont use any money-related cards either. No credit cards, and even tho I have my bank card (or whatever its called - the one you stick in the ATM machine), I dont pay with it either. My reason is just that... I like cash. Really, with cards I never have a feeling on how much Im spending that I have with coins and banknotes.
Deep Freeze wrote:
'Morning, gents. Interesting conversation. I do not use credit cards, either. As a matter of fact, I am constantly crusading against them. In this country, credit is the number one obstacle towards wealth. You simply cannnot build true wealth when you are in debt. Working for a bank, I have seen some horrible mistakes with credit. I have a car payment but only because I did not want to spend all the cash at once. Same with the house. But I do not carry even ONE credit card and neither does the Princess. We use debit or pay cash. Period.
They dont tell you the full price? IDK... There must be some kind of a law against that... But in any case, I never bought anything so big I would have to pay it in rates, but I know that everytime we talk about stuff like cars, appartments, ect. we always speak in full prices. Not "I got this car for ten payments of 300€". 3000€, and thats it. Come to think of it, its a good habbit.
It was really funny before we had euros, when stuff like cars and appartments would cost millions of Slo. Tolars... The good old days - when we were all millionares. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:00:25 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Very wise, my friend. You know, so many people think they understand interest but do not. When people in this country buy a house, they are always worried about "rate"....RATE RATE RATE. Amazing. Rate is merely a payment amount! Seriously. What they need to be concerned with is total cost, just as you mentioned. What will it cost me in full? If you go to buy a car, try asking the sales guy what the price of the car is, IN FULL. All they do is sell you a payment. They do not want you to know what the total cost is!! THAT is how interest really works.
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. And I usualy get a percent or two of discount if I pay in cash. Just for the big stuff, tho, like when I bought the guitar amp.
Frankly, I know what is a "limit" and I get "interest", but... I just choose the simplest way. I know how much I have = I know how much I can spend. Not the stuff when "I have 500€, but I can spend 700, and pay the difference later". Just complications. Expensive ones too.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's a great point strat. Knowing what you are spending. People use credit, pay the monthly payments and get buried by interest. Worse yet, MOST people do NOT truly understand interest and that is a HUGE problem.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont use any money-related cards either. No credit cards, and even tho I have my bank card (or whatever its called - the one you stick in the ATM machine), I dont pay with it either. My reason is just that... I like cash. Really, with cards I never have a feeling on how much Im spending that I have with coins and banknotes.
Deep Freeze wrote:
'Morning, gents. Interesting conversation. I do not use credit cards, either. As a matter of fact, I am constantly crusading against them. In this country, credit is the number one obstacle towards wealth. You simply cannnot build true wealth when you are in debt. Working for a bank, I have seen some horrible mistakes with credit. I have a car payment but only because I did not want to spend all the cash at once. Same with the house. But I do not carry even ONE credit card and neither does the Princess. We use debit or pay cash. Period.
Yup. And I usualy get a percent or two of discount if I pay in cash. Just for the big stuff, tho, like when I bought the guitar amp.
Frankly, I know what is a "limit" and I get "interest", but... I just choose the simplest way. I know how much I have = I know how much I can spend. Not the stuff when "I have 500€, but I can spend 700, and pay the difference later". Just complications. Expensive ones too.
That's a great point strat. Knowing what you are spending. People use credit, pay the monthly payments and get buried by interest. Worse yet, MOST people do NOT truly understand interest and that is a HUGE problem.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont use any money-related cards either. No credit cards, and even tho I have my bank card (or whatever its called - the one you stick in the ATM machine), I dont pay with it either. My reason is just that... I like cash. Really, with cards I never have a feeling on how much Im spending that I have with coins and banknotes.
Deep Freeze wrote:
'Morning, gents. Interesting conversation. I do not use credit cards, either. As a matter of fact, I am constantly crusading against them. In this country, credit is the number one obstacle towards wealth. You simply cannnot build true wealth when you are in debt. Working for a bank, I have seen some horrible mistakes with credit. I have a car payment but only because I did not want to spend all the cash at once. Same with the house. But I do not carry even ONE credit card and neither does the Princess. We use debit or pay cash. Period.
I dont use any money-related cards either. No credit cards, and even tho I have my bank card (or whatever its called - the one you stick in the ATM machine), I dont pay with it either. My reason is just that... I like cash. Really, with cards I never have a feeling on how much Im spending that I have with coins and banknotes. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:38:09 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
'Morning, gents. Interesting conversation. I do not use credit cards, either. As a matter of fact, I am constantly crusading against them. In this country, credit is the number one obstacle towards wealth. You simply cannnot build true wealth when you are in debt. Working for a bank, I have seen some horrible mistakes with credit. I have a car payment but only because I did not want to spend all the cash at once. Same with the house. But I do not carry even ONE credit card and neither does the Princess. We use debit or pay cash. Period.
Whats this with hump day? Does it have any connection with... er... humping? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, March 18, 2009 4:04:00 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning (day for you Becks...lol) fellow Metalheads!!! Woohoo...it's hump day!!
Lol... It never occured to me that Michael Palin and the famous hockey mom are so connected! Cant imagine her singing "Always look on the birght side of life"... More like "Let the motherfucker burn".
Now you got me. Havent heard of that one, ever. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:48:56 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Don't forget The Three Stooges. Funniest, most goddamn ridiculous show ever created!
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, forgot about that one, wasnt bad either.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
King of Queens is okay. The best sitcom ever was M.A.S.H. imo. Alan Alda and Jamie Farr were incredibly funny!
_strat_ wrote:
The King of Queens? Never heard about that one before. Fraiser and Third rock from the sun, yeah, and theyre both good. But that aside, when it comes to sitcoms, nobody beats the Brits. Really, loads and loads of them. Black Adder (starring young Hugh Laurie - if you think House is funny, you aint seen nothing yet), You rang, milord?, Allo,Allo... Really great stuff. Shame they dont play them so often as they used to.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yeah, MWC is good. I like The King of Queens. It is marginally funny. Always try to catch the news at 5 while eating supper. I use the DVR a lot these days. I just cannot stay up very late at night so I record a lot of shows that I like so I can watch at these ungodly hours of the morning!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Me too - Discovery, National Geographic, and the evening news. Sometimes a good movie, but that is rare enough.
The only exception is the Great Al Bundy - our national TV just recently dug out that show from their archives, and are playing all episodes from the first on!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I really can't stand MOST of what is offered on television. I try to stick to Discovery Channel and occasionally the Sci Fi channel (when I need something stupid) but network TV is simply brutal.
Oh, I know exactly what you mean. They are hillarious for the most part, although sometimes they can just be lame. Cheap photoshopery + a local legend = a ghost show. You cant even get a good scare out of watching TV!! The scariest thing there is is the fucking Eurovision! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:48:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I love M*A*S*H. GREAT show. I agree with strat about Brit shows. They are hilarious. These days I like to watch the so-called paranormal "reality" shows. It really cracks me up that people believe this sh@#.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah, forgot about that one, wasnt bad either. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:44:39 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
King of Queens is okay. The best sitcom ever was M.A.S.H. imo. Alan Alda and Jamie Farr were incredibly funny!
_strat_ wrote:
The King of Queens? Never heard about that one before. Fraiser and Third rock from the sun, yeah, and theyre both good. But that aside, when it comes to sitcoms, nobody beats the Brits. Really, loads and loads of them. Black Adder (starring young Hugh Laurie - if you think House is funny, you aint seen nothing yet), You rang, milord?, Allo,Allo... Really great stuff. Shame they dont play them so often as they used to.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yeah, MWC is good. I like The King of Queens. It is marginally funny. Always try to catch the news at 5 while eating supper. I use the DVR a lot these days. I just cannot stay up very late at night so I record a lot of shows that I like so I can watch at these ungodly hours of the morning!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Me too - Discovery, National Geographic, and the evening news. Sometimes a good movie, but that is rare enough.
The only exception is the Great Al Bundy - our national TV just recently dug out that show from their archives, and are playing all episodes from the first on!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I really can't stand MOST of what is offered on television. I try to stick to Discovery Channel and occasionally the Sci Fi channel (when I need something stupid) but network TV is simply brutal.
The King of Queens? Never heard about that one before. Fraiser and Third rock from the sun, yeah, and theyre both good. But that aside, when it comes to sitcoms, nobody beats the Brits. Really, loads and loads of them. Black Adder (starring young Hugh Laurie - if you think House is funny, you aint seen nothing yet), You rang, milord?, Allo,Allo... Really great stuff. Shame they dont play them so often as they used to.
Yeah, MWC is good. I like The King of Queens. It is marginally funny. Always try to catch the news at 5 while eating supper. I use the DVR a lot these days. I just cannot stay up very late at night so I record a lot of shows that I like so I can watch at these ungodly hours of the morning!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Me too - Discovery, National Geographic, and the evening news. Sometimes a good movie, but that is rare enough.
The only exception is the Great Al Bundy - our national TV just recently dug out that show from their archives, and are playing all episodes from the first on!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I really can't stand MOST of what is offered on television. I try to stick to Discovery Channel and occasionally the Sci Fi channel (when I need something stupid) but network TV is simply brutal.
Me too - Discovery, National Geographic, and the evening news. Sometimes a good movie, but that is rare enough.
The only exception is the Great Al Bundy - our national TV just recently dug out that show from their archives, and are playing all episodes from the first on! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:21:13 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I really can't stand MOST of what is offered on television. I try to stick to Discovery Channel and occasionally the Sci Fi channel (when I need something stupid) but network TV is simply brutal.
Heh, they are, eh? Very catchy, imo. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:09:04 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I'll look into it. BTW, Gamma Ray is pretty decent.
_strat_ wrote:
Look up clips on youtube, if you want to know what the Brits are keeping away from you. Thats the greatest sitcom of all times.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
No, more like American Idol.
I never heard of a show called, "Only Fools and Horses".
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, you mean like the pilgrims?
Tell me... Did you ever watch "Only fools and horses" on an American TV station?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
That show is yet ANOTHER British import to the USA!
_strat_ wrote:
Good Morning, Freeze.
So, whats this? A cooking show with contestants, that get screamed at by some idiot-ass chef? Will you guys at the other end of the pond ever stop making sick shows? I swear, if that ever gets on our TV, theres going to be trouble... Hannah Montana was bad enough already!
In any case, this one is so fucking obvious, that Im surprised even Oprah fell for it (since she seems to fall for any dumb new age shit out there - then again she could have gotten a "compensation" for wawing that shit on her show). That "suppressed knowledge" reminds me of the Da Vinci code, and the "Ancient secret" I wont even comment. Its marketing, nothing else.
"You can get everything you want, if you only believe"... Did the pope write this shit?!?! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:15:09 AM)
Head banger wrote:
see strat, we dont agree with everything in this thread!!! well said
_strat_ wrote:
Bullshit. "The secret will give you everything you want"?!?!?! DVDs, books, films? Spirituality? "Believe, and things will just happen"?!?!?! Seriously, what kind of a bullshit is that? "The secret made me realise I want a new house in 6 months!" Well, whoopdee-fucking-doo. I want a house of my own too, but I didnt need no bullshit DVD to figure that out!
And all packed in that "ancient secret" package, and "suppressed knowledge"... Someone is going to make a pile of cash, and a whole lot of people will be disapointed. (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, March 16, 2009 11:20:39 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
THE SECRETOur company is introducing this program into our daily routine. It's optional training, but it is encouraged and advised. Especially amongst the older employers and managers (myself being both.) I've always been leery of 'snake-oil salesmen' and 'positive thinking gurus.' And I'm very wary of 'New Age' preachers and speakers that speak of goals and success without including GOD into the equation. So when I see something like this, part of me wants to run. While the other part is seduced by the attraction. Either way, it cannot hurt to try. But can it? Is the spiritual trade-off worth the price and result? a. Hammerstein
I never heard of a show called, "Only Fools and Horses".
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, you mean like the pilgrims?
Tell me... Did you ever watch "Only fools and horses" on an American TV station?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
That show is yet ANOTHER British import to the USA!
_strat_ wrote:
Good Morning, Freeze.
So, whats this? A cooking show with contestants, that get screamed at by some idiot-ass chef? Will you guys at the other end of the pond ever stop making sick shows? I swear, if that ever gets on our TV, theres going to be trouble... Hannah Montana was bad enough already!
Tell me... Did you ever watch "Only fools and horses" on an American TV station? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:33:07 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
That show is yet ANOTHER British import to the USA!
_strat_ wrote:
Good Morning, Freeze.
So, whats this? A cooking show with contestants, that get screamed at by some idiot-ass chef? Will you guys at the other end of the pond ever stop making sick shows? I swear, if that ever gets on our TV, theres going to be trouble... Hannah Montana was bad enough already!
Ehm... Well, yeah, I guess so. But, I will have to watch the Great Sage Al Bundy today, and maybe He will inspire me with some answers about the woman vs. beer issue. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 6:31:10 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
My g/f isn't much of a complainer. She'd rather talk about something that bothers her before complaining about it. And you can have wild, crazy sex with a woman...not so much with a couch I would think. You can go to an event or on a vacation with the g/f and bringing the couch would require you to bring other people along to help move it! Now a beer on the other hand....well, that's another discussion.
_strat_ wrote:
Why, thank you. I do my best.
Massage, eh? Sounds nice enough... But I still think that a couch is better. Ok, you cant tell it to go and make something to eat, but at least it wont complain about anything, no matter how much time you spend on it.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LMFAO! You are such a noob, strat! LMFAO!
Couch is comfortable enough, but I think I need to make an appt with the girl who gives the killer deep-tissue massages at the salon near me....in addition to my girlfriend's, ummm..."special" back rubs.
_strat_ wrote:
Lyke, stfu, I 4m lyke t3h e1337est m3m83r h3r3!!!11!! U r 4 n00biest n00b!!11!!! Roflmao!!
Leet mode off: Lol... Remember: its not how long you are a member that determines wheter youre a noob or not. Noobyness is in the soul.
And I certainly wont be moving anytime soon, thats for sure. But I hope yours went well. Rest the back a bit... If you have a comfortable couch, that does wonders.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I was away b/c I was moving to a new place. Do not move yourself! Fucking back is killing me!!!!
BTW, you're still a noob strat. HA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Frankly, Ive been neglecting the site over the weekend just because of that. It seems that the entire site has gone berserk over who has what accounts, and who is impersonating who, and who was an asshole 2 years ago... Stuff that was going on back when I was still a noob here, and even before that. I figured it best to let it cool down - because it is painfuly obvious that until it cools down, the rest of this site will be more or less deserted, like you said.
devils_child wrote:
Ok, why are most of you neglecting the rest of the site, just so you can fight in the missing persons thread?.... Seriously the only person i seem to be getting a response from is Becks... Perhaps take lesson from us, you don't need to be fighting. If someone is annoying you, just hit the ignore button.... simple!
And remember......
So, whats this? A cooking show with contestants, that get screamed at by some idiot-ass chef? Will you guys at the other end of the pond ever stop making sick shows? I swear, if that ever gets on our TV, theres going to be trouble... Hannah Montana was bad enough already!
Yup. I agree. Except for the faith in god, since Im an atheist.
But in any case, what this bullshit suggests is pretty much that we can just wish for things, and they will happen. Thats, if I got it right, anyway. In any case, thats bullshit. I wish to get into college this summer. I cant wish myself there. I have to study and prepare myself for the entry exams. Just wishing wont do me much good. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, March 17, 2009 4:14:42 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I second that! I never bothered with bullshit like self-help books. My help comes from my friends and family. My faith is in God and the general believe that we are all good people and can do anything we want - given the right method in which to succeed and the drive to attain what we want.
_strat_ wrote:
Bullshit. "The secret will give you everything you want"?!?!?! DVDs, books, films? Spirituality? "Believe, and things will just happen"?!?!?! Seriously, what kind of a bullshit is that? "The secret made me realise I want a new house in 6 months!" Well, whoopdee-fucking-doo. I want a house of my own too, but I didnt need no bullshit DVD to figure that out!
And all packed in that "ancient secret" package, and "suppressed knowledge"... Someone is going to make a pile of cash, and a whole lot of people will be disapointed. (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, March 16, 2009 11:20:39 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
THE SECRETOur company is introducing this program into our daily routine. It's optional training, but it is encouraged and advised. Especially amongst the older employers and managers (myself being both.) I've always been leery of 'snake-oil salesmen' and 'positive thinking gurus.' And I'm very wary of 'New Age' preachers and speakers that speak of goals and success without including GOD into the equation. So when I see something like this, part of me wants to run. While the other part is seduced by the attraction. Either way, it cannot hurt to try. But can it? Is the spiritual trade-off worth the price and result? a. Hammerstein
Bullshit. "The secret will give you everything you want"?!?!?! DVDs, books, films? Spirituality? "Believe, and things will just happen"?!?!?! Seriously, what kind of a bullshit is that? "The secret made me realise I want a new house in 6 months!" Well, whoopdee-fucking-doo. I want a house of my own too, but I didnt need no bullshit DVD to figure that out!
And all packed in that "ancient secret" package, and "suppressed knowledge"... Someone is going to make a pile of cash, and a whole lot of people will be disapointed. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, March 16, 2009 11:20:39 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
THE SECRETOur company is introducing this program into our daily routine. It's optional training, but it is encouraged and advised. Especially amongst the older employers and managers (myself being both.) I've always been leery of 'snake-oil salesmen' and 'positive thinking gurus.' And I'm very wary of 'New Age' preachers and speakers that speak of goals and success without including GOD into the equation. So when I see something like this, part of me wants to run. While the other part is seduced by the attraction. Either way, it cannot hurt to try. But can it? Is the spiritual trade-off worth the price and result? a. Hammerstein
keep waiting on the phone for almost one hour... and not counting the minutes to get a freaking appointment to the doctor!
And this message keeps coming on ...We are sorry to keep you waiting,please stay on line to keep ur priority!! That's a laugh-
You mean you created a new thread to correct a spelling error? Freeze will be both pissed and happy at the same time! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Sunday, March 15, 2009 11:54:51 AM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
HEY HELLRIDER,OVER HERE...HAD TO FIX THAT SPELLING ERROR,I CHECKED THE MAP...NO "TORNOTO" ANYWHERE...THINK I GOT IT RIGHT THIS TIME!........SEE YOU THERE MY FRIEND.
We get it all the time. We are in a valley, surrounded by mountains and a lovely bog + tens of thousands of cars per day, which accumulates in such a fog, you wouldnt even believe it. But its gone now, in any case. Good thing too.
Ever been caught by fog while driving? Thats a horror movie, it is... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, March 16, 2009 7:14:07 AM)
Head banger wrote:
wish it were above 0, but my fog is gone too. strange, we never get fog in the spring, but all day yesterday, foggy.
_strat_ wrote:
About 10°C and sunny... The fog is gone... Thankfully.
Massage, eh? Sounds nice enough... But I still think that a couch is better. Ok, you cant tell it to go and make something to eat, but at least it wont complain about anything, no matter how much time you spend on it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 16, 2009 4:29:29 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LMFAO! You are such a noob, strat! LMFAO!
Couch is comfortable enough, but I think I need to make an appt with the girl who gives the killer deep-tissue massages at the salon near me....in addition to my girlfriend's, ummm..."special" back rubs.
_strat_ wrote:
Lyke, stfu, I 4m lyke t3h e1337est m3m83r h3r3!!!11!! U r 4 n00biest n00b!!11!!! Roflmao!!
Leet mode off: Lol... Remember: its not how long you are a member that determines wheter youre a noob or not. Noobyness is in the soul.
And I certainly wont be moving anytime soon, thats for sure. But I hope yours went well. Rest the back a bit... If you have a comfortable couch, that does wonders.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I was away b/c I was moving to a new place. Do not move yourself! Fucking back is killing me!!!!
BTW, you're still a noob strat. HA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Frankly, Ive been neglecting the site over the weekend just because of that. It seems that the entire site has gone berserk over who has what accounts, and who is impersonating who, and who was an asshole 2 years ago... Stuff that was going on back when I was still a noob here, and even before that. I figured it best to let it cool down - because it is painfuly obvious that until it cools down, the rest of this site will be more or less deserted, like you said.
devils_child wrote:
Ok, why are most of you neglecting the rest of the site, just so you can fight in the missing persons thread?.... Seriously the only person i seem to be getting a response from is Becks... Perhaps take lesson from us, you don't need to be fighting. If someone is annoying you, just hit the ignore button.... simple!
And remember......
Well, it didnt stop there... Ok, ok... Blink 182 are NOT punk, no matter what an average 12 year old girl says, but there were (and are) great bands after Sex Pistols and The Clash, and from all over the world, too (like the Dead Kennedys). And Ramones played some sort of punk when Johnny Rotten was still figuring out what exatcly is a microphone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Sunday, March 15, 2009 6:33:46 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
ur a little deluded there....punk was a UK thing from 76 til 79....what u think is punk is wrong.....
JudasFire wrote:
rap got it's name from the word c-rap, punk rock is just a bunch of noise from people who can't even play thier instruments, but don't get me wrong, I like bands like Pennywise, Agnostic Front(old shit) and Iggy Pop and the Stooges
Lyke, stfu, I 4m lyke t3h e1337est m3m83r h3r3!!!11!! U r 4 n00biest n00b!!11!!! Roflmao!!
Leet mode off: Lol... Remember: its not how long you are a member that determines wheter youre a noob or not. Noobyness is in the soul.
And I certainly wont be moving anytime soon, thats for sure. But I hope yours went well. Rest the back a bit... If you have a comfortable couch, that does wonders. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 16, 2009 4:12:00 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I was away b/c I was moving to a new place. Do not move yourself! Fucking back is killing me!!!!
BTW, you're still a noob strat. HA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Frankly, Ive been neglecting the site over the weekend just because of that. It seems that the entire site has gone berserk over who has what accounts, and who is impersonating who, and who was an asshole 2 years ago... Stuff that was going on back when I was still a noob here, and even before that. I figured it best to let it cool down - because it is painfuly obvious that until it cools down, the rest of this site will be more or less deserted, like you said.
devils_child wrote:
Ok, why are most of you neglecting the rest of the site, just so you can fight in the missing persons thread?.... Seriously the only person i seem to be getting a response from is Becks... Perhaps take lesson from us, you don't need to be fighting. If someone is annoying you, just hit the ignore button.... simple!
And remember......
Lol... I can. Barca is my club of choice in the Spanish league... Not those fancy-ass pansies in Madrid...
I hope Liverpool does well, too. One of my favourite clubs too. Love what they did to Real!
In any case, it looks like Brits will take the title this year. Im only hoping its not Chelsea. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by toddie from Sunday, March 15, 2009 4:50:37 AM)
toddie wrote:
Noooooooooo!!!!! Madrid is out how can you go for them catalan arseholes. ManU made it through yay. & then they got murdered by Liverpool at home!! Liverpool has come off two major slaghterings can anyone stop them!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Inter 0 - 0 ManU...
Havent watched the entire game, but I can say that Ronaldo had a great chance, and the yellow card that Rooney got was imo not fair. But that aside, heres hoping that ManU will kick their asses in Manchester.
Frankly, Ive been neglecting the site over the weekend just because of that. It seems that the entire site has gone berserk over who has what accounts, and who is impersonating who, and who was an asshole 2 years ago... Stuff that was going on back when I was still a noob here, and even before that. I figured it best to let it cool down - because it is painfuly obvious that until it cools down, the rest of this site will be more or less deserted, like you said. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Saturday, March 14, 2009 10:30:39 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Ok, why are most of you neglecting the rest of the site, just so you can fight in the missing persons thread?.... Seriously the only person i seem to be getting a response from is Becks... Perhaps take lesson from us, you don't need to be fighting. If someone is annoying you, just hit the ignore button.... simple!
And remember......
Oh, that's right! You are! Hmm...well, PLEASE send me money PLEASE send me money...... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I never said I wouldnt resist, did I? And you forgot, Im still a god. So, if you want those front row tickets to an afterlife of your choosing, you better start being nice to me. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, March 13, 2009 8:59:39 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!! So now you speak for "everyone"?? HA!!!!!!!!!! And just saying it over an over will make it so?? Excellent!!! Send me money..Send me money.. Send me money..Send me money........... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. You might want to stop saying that so often. It makes us think that you actualy are in control of us. You know, the US government says there is nothing in Area 51... Everyone automaticaly thinks there is... UFOs? God bless you sir, no, them are weather baloons... Same here. I know you control all of us, and I have just proven it with my usual infailable logic.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well now, it could very well be that a "lecture" is exactly what is needed in this instance? Clearly something should be said and I think that, for the most part, Ron, JD and Darth said it.
What on earth is wrong with you guys??? Look, I know there have been moments when we have been less than our best. Happens to everyone. Why in the world would otherwise intelligent, caring people become so vicious?? There have been "personal" moments for just about every member of this Board, myself included. I have read PMs that have saddened me, confused me and angered me. I know that there have been some "in-fights" that have really boiled down to misunderstanding.
I have always promoted "family" here. That is what I stand for and what I insist upon from allregular members. All families argue. This is NOT "Leave it to Beaver". Having said this, I still expect a level of maturity and decency from everyone. Now, does that mean I always get it? Of course not. I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. I will say this, you know I am right. In your hearts, you know that what I am saying is right.
My sisters, please look inside yourselves. You know the truth about YOU. You cannot see inside another and, therefore, you must take each other at face value. Trust. As difficult as it may be, you must have trust in one another or there is NO way you can be a part of a family! Same goes for the guys! We are brothers here and, as such, we must have a level of trust. I am not asking that we all exchange bank account numbers...I am asking that we all care.
So your fine with me not watching your you tube link?... I guess so.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... It takes a lot more than that to piss me off... Believe me.
devils_child wrote:
I sense someone is getting pissed off at me..... .... I would watch it ordinarily but i have the CD player on..... don't take offence Strat.... Your just dealing with an uptight DC tonight...... LOVE YOU... *hugs*
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, ffs... You can either watch it or no. If you watch it, youll know whats it about. If not, then you wont.
Its funny, and its meant as a joke. Im not saying anything more.
devils_child wrote:
Is it really worth me turning off my Judas Priest to watch this you tube link?.... I tell ya now..... if there is no sexy bodies to lust over, no decent lyrics or groove to it.... I will not click on it..
_strat_ wrote:
So you dont trust me? Your missing out....
Do it! Do it nauugh!!!
devils_child wrote:
Man, I'm not even going to click on that link..... I fear i may lose my hearing.
_strat_ wrote:
Sooo..... You think Britney is lame? Think again. I hope this helps:
.......WHAT!!!!!!!!............................................ Man i may have been born in 1987, but Britney.... *pukes in horror*...... are you serious??........ I will say my taste growing up wasn't the best...... but POP music was never EVER an option..... LOL... sorry Strat, just having a dig at ya mate.... I understand
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, I guess it is true, tho, that the music we listened to when we were really little is something special for us... Thats why Britneys first album will always have a place in my stomach...er... heart.
ronhartsell wrote:
You're right, that was lame of me to put it that way...back then, it was AM radio and the Beatles aere all over it...I guess if it's popular, I don't like it...I'd feel like I liked it just because everyone else does...that's why I LOVE METAL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... What can I say? I was born in 89. The "music of my time" is lame as hell.
Dated, outdated... I dont care. Music is what I care about. And I like bothe the Beatles and the Stones, and a whole lot of other bands that started out before I was even an idea.
ronhartsell wrote:
To be fair, they were before my time, I was born in '66, so their music was a tad 'dated', not much, but enough...and no way did their style get ahold of me like Thin Lizzy or Deep Purple. But I should point out that I am being hypcacritical, as I do like the Doors and the Animals and some Motown, and by the same 'logic' (?) I should not like them because the are 'dated' as well...I just never got into their 'groove' let's say...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Georgie wasnt all bad. He had a good song or two... Johnny was the king! It could be worse tho... You could have liked Paul.
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
Lol... You can drive from one end to the other of my country in 3 hrs... Or less, if there is no traffic and cops on the highway. Makes me feel so small...
I sense someone is getting pissed off at me..... .... I would watch it ordinarily but i have the CD player on..... don't take offence Strat.... Your just dealing with an uptight DC tonight...... LOVE YOU... *hugs*
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, ffs... You can either watch it or no. If you watch it, youll know whats it about. If not, then you wont.
Its funny, and its meant as a joke. Im not saying anything more.
devils_child wrote:
Is it really worth me turning off my Judas Priest to watch this you tube link?.... I tell ya now..... if there is no sexy bodies to lust over, no decent lyrics or groove to it.... I will not click on it..
_strat_ wrote:
So you dont trust me? Your missing out....
Do it! Do it nauugh!!!
devils_child wrote:
Man, I'm not even going to click on that link..... I fear i may lose my hearing.
_strat_ wrote:
Sooo..... You think Britney is lame? Think again. I hope this helps:
.......WHAT!!!!!!!!............................................ Man i may have been born in 1987, but Britney.... *pukes in horror*...... are you serious??........ I will say my taste growing up wasn't the best...... but POP music was never EVER an option..... LOL... sorry Strat, just having a dig at ya mate.... I understand
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, I guess it is true, tho, that the music we listened to when we were really little is something special for us... Thats why Britneys first album will always have a place in my stomach...er... heart.
ronhartsell wrote:
You're right, that was lame of me to put it that way...back then, it was AM radio and the Beatles aere all over it...I guess if it's popular, I don't like it...I'd feel like I liked it just because everyone else does...that's why I LOVE METAL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... What can I say? I was born in 89. The "music of my time" is lame as hell.
Dated, outdated... I dont care. Music is what I care about. And I like bothe the Beatles and the Stones, and a whole lot of other bands that started out before I was even an idea.
ronhartsell wrote:
To be fair, they were before my time, I was born in '66, so their music was a tad 'dated', not much, but enough...and no way did their style get ahold of me like Thin Lizzy or Deep Purple. But I should point out that I am being hypcacritical, as I do like the Doors and the Animals and some Motown, and by the same 'logic' (?) I should not like them because the are 'dated' as well...I just never got into their 'groove' let's say...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Georgie wasnt all bad. He had a good song or two... Johnny was the king! It could be worse tho... You could have liked Paul.
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
Well, I imagine its like going to a Priest show in Madrid from Moscow. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, March 13, 2009 11:15:49 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I would bet she doesnt!! mapquest it and look at the distance. europeans have no concept of scale for NA, and I doubt that you lot down under can properly comprehend it. its FAR!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
So maybe she doesnt have enough time?
devils_child wrote:
SO?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its a long way from Wisconsin to Florida, if you have just a single day off.
devils_child wrote:
WHAT??? WHY??????
Jeanine wrote:
Having off on April 2nd but not being able to go see Iron Maiden play in Florida
Calling dead to work? Wouldnt work with my boss, even if I actualy was dead.
IDK, but I simply wouldnt want to travel that far. If Priest reschedule their Zagreb show (only about an hour and a half drive from me), I doubt that I would go. For one, it gets a lot more expensive if it isnt in the area of my citys bus service. For two, driving for three hours only to watch a show that may only last an hour and a half (what Maiden did to us... the bastards) is not my idea of fun.
Trust me..... you make time, you call in dead to work..... Maybe not when you get older.... ( I guess this is the issue....umm) Problems are either..... family related mishap, money issues, work issues, not being able to get tix cos every other bastard has bought them.... Yeah, I can understand.... I'm just going to wait for Jeanine's response, then we shall indulge in some Maiden therapy.... If need be.
_strat_ wrote:
So maybe she doesnt have enough time?
devils_child wrote:
SO?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its a long way from Wisconsin to Florida, if you have just a single day off.
devils_child wrote:
WHAT??? WHY??????
Jeanine wrote:
Having off on April 2nd but not being able to go see Iron Maiden play in Florida
Is it really worth me turning off my Judas Priest to watch this you tube link?.... I tell ya now..... if there is no sexy bodies to lust over, no decent lyrics or groove to it.... I will not click on it..
_strat_ wrote:
So you dont trust me? Your missing out....
Do it! Do it nauugh!!!
devils_child wrote:
Man, I'm not even going to click on that link..... I fear i may lose my hearing.
_strat_ wrote:
Sooo..... You think Britney is lame? Think again. I hope this helps:
.......WHAT!!!!!!!!............................................ Man i may have been born in 1987, but Britney.... *pukes in horror*...... are you serious??........ I will say my taste growing up wasn't the best...... but POP music was never EVER an option..... LOL... sorry Strat, just having a dig at ya mate.... I understand
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, I guess it is true, tho, that the music we listened to when we were really little is something special for us... Thats why Britneys first album will always have a place in my stomach...er... heart.
ronhartsell wrote:
You're right, that was lame of me to put it that way...back then, it was AM radio and the Beatles aere all over it...I guess if it's popular, I don't like it...I'd feel like I liked it just because everyone else does...that's why I LOVE METAL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... What can I say? I was born in 89. The "music of my time" is lame as hell.
Dated, outdated... I dont care. Music is what I care about. And I like bothe the Beatles and the Stones, and a whole lot of other bands that started out before I was even an idea.
ronhartsell wrote:
To be fair, they were before my time, I was born in '66, so their music was a tad 'dated', not much, but enough...and no way did their style get ahold of me like Thin Lizzy or Deep Purple. But I should point out that I am being hypcacritical, as I do like the Doors and the Animals and some Motown, and by the same 'logic' (?) I should not like them because the are 'dated' as well...I just never got into their 'groove' let's say...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Georgie wasnt all bad. He had a good song or two... Johnny was the king! It could be worse tho... You could have liked Paul.
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
.......WHAT!!!!!!!!............................................ Man i may have been born in 1987, but Britney.... *pukes in horror*...... are you serious??........ I will say my taste growing up wasn't the best...... but POP music was never EVER an option..... LOL... sorry Strat, just having a dig at ya mate.... I understand
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, I guess it is true, tho, that the music we listened to when we were really little is something special for us... Thats why Britneys first album will always have a place in my stomach...er... heart.
ronhartsell wrote:
You're right, that was lame of me to put it that way...back then, it was AM radio and the Beatles aere all over it...I guess if it's popular, I don't like it...I'd feel like I liked it just because everyone else does...that's why I LOVE METAL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... What can I say? I was born in 89. The "music of my time" is lame as hell.
Dated, outdated... I dont care. Music is what I care about. And I like bothe the Beatles and the Stones, and a whole lot of other bands that started out before I was even an idea.
ronhartsell wrote:
To be fair, they were before my time, I was born in '66, so their music was a tad 'dated', not much, but enough...and no way did their style get ahold of me like Thin Lizzy or Deep Purple. But I should point out that I am being hypcacritical, as I do like the Doors and the Animals and some Motown, and by the same 'logic' (?) I should not like them because the are 'dated' as well...I just never got into their 'groove' let's say...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Georgie wasnt all bad. He had a good song or two... Johnny was the king! It could be worse tho... You could have liked Paul.
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
I never said I wouldnt resist, did I? And you forgot, Im still a god. So, if you want those front row tickets to an afterlife of your choosing, you better start being nice to me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, March 13, 2009 8:59:39 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!! So now you speak for "everyone"?? HA!!!!!!!!!! And just saying it over an over will make it so?? Excellent!!! Send me money..Send me money.. Send me money..Send me money........... HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. You might want to stop saying that so often. It makes us think that you actualy are in control of us. You know, the US government says there is nothing in Area 51... Everyone automaticaly thinks there is... UFOs? God bless you sir, no, them are weather baloons... Same here. I know you control all of us, and I have just proven it with my usual infailable logic.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well now, it could very well be that a "lecture" is exactly what is needed in this instance? Clearly something should be said and I think that, for the most part, Ron, JD and Darth said it.
What on earth is wrong with you guys??? Look, I know there have been moments when we have been less than our best. Happens to everyone. Why in the world would otherwise intelligent, caring people become so vicious?? There have been "personal" moments for just about every member of this Board, myself included. I have read PMs that have saddened me, confused me and angered me. I know that there have been some "in-fights" that have really boiled down to misunderstanding.
I have always promoted "family" here. That is what I stand for and what I insist upon from allregular members. All families argue. This is NOT "Leave it to Beaver". Having said this, I still expect a level of maturity and decency from everyone. Now, does that mean I always get it? Of course not. I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. I will say this, you know I am right. In your hearts, you know that what I am saying is right.
My sisters, please look inside yourselves. You know the truth about YOU. You cannot see inside another and, therefore, you must take each other at face value. Trust. As difficult as it may be, you must have trust in one another or there is NO way you can be a part of a family! Same goes for the guys! We are brothers here and, as such, we must have a level of trust. I am not asking that we all exchange bank account numbers...I am asking that we all care.
.......WHAT!!!!!!!!............................................ Man i may have been born in 1987, but Britney.... *pukes in horror*...... are you serious??........ I will say my taste growing up wasn't the best...... but POP music was never EVER an option..... LOL... sorry Strat, just having a dig at ya mate.... I understand
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Well, I guess it is true, tho, that the music we listened to when we were really little is something special for us... Thats why Britneys first album will always have a place in my stomach...er... heart.
ronhartsell wrote:
You're right, that was lame of me to put it that way...back then, it was AM radio and the Beatles aere all over it...I guess if it's popular, I don't like it...I'd feel like I liked it just because everyone else does...that's why I LOVE METAL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... What can I say? I was born in 89. The "music of my time" is lame as hell.
Dated, outdated... I dont care. Music is what I care about. And I like bothe the Beatles and the Stones, and a whole lot of other bands that started out before I was even an idea.
ronhartsell wrote:
To be fair, they were before my time, I was born in '66, so their music was a tad 'dated', not much, but enough...and no way did their style get ahold of me like Thin Lizzy or Deep Purple. But I should point out that I am being hypcacritical, as I do like the Doors and the Animals and some Motown, and by the same 'logic' (?) I should not like them because the are 'dated' as well...I just never got into their 'groove' let's say...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Georgie wasnt all bad. He had a good song or two... Johnny was the king! It could be worse tho... You could have liked Paul.
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
Lol... Well, I guess it is true, tho, that the music we listened to when we were really little is something special for us... Thats why Britneys first album will always have a place in my stomach...er... heart. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, March 13, 2009 8:06:06 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
You're right, that was lame of me to put it that way...back then, it was AM radio and the Beatles aere all over it...I guess if it's popular, I don't like it...I'd feel like I liked it just because everyone else does...that's why I LOVE METAL!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... What can I say? I was born in 89. The "music of my time" is lame as hell.
Dated, outdated... I dont care. Music is what I care about. And I like bothe the Beatles and the Stones, and a whole lot of other bands that started out before I was even an idea.
ronhartsell wrote:
To be fair, they were before my time, I was born in '66, so their music was a tad 'dated', not much, but enough...and no way did their style get ahold of me like Thin Lizzy or Deep Purple. But I should point out that I am being hypcacritical, as I do like the Doors and the Animals and some Motown, and by the same 'logic' (?) I should not like them because the are 'dated' as well...I just never got into their 'groove' let's say...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Georgie wasnt all bad. He had a good song or two... Johnny was the king! It could be worse tho... You could have liked Paul.
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you.
You might want to stop saying that so often. It makes us think that you actualy are in control of us. You know, the US government says there is nothing in Area 51... Everyone automaticaly thinks there is... UFOs? God bless you sir, no, them are weather baloons... Same here. I know you control all of us, and I have just proven it with my usual infailable logic. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, March 13, 2009 8:25:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well now, it could very well be that a "lecture" is exactly what is needed in this instance? Clearly something should be said and I think that, for the most part, Ron, JD and Darth said it.
What on earth is wrong with you guys??? Look, I know there have been moments when we have been less than our best. Happens to everyone. Why in the world would otherwise intelligent, caring people become so vicious?? There have been "personal" moments for just about every member of this Board, myself included. I have read PMs that have saddened me, confused me and angered me. I know that there have been some "in-fights" that have really boiled down to misunderstanding.
I have always promoted "family" here. That is what I stand for and what I insist upon from allregular members. All families argue. This is NOT "Leave it to Beaver". Having said this, I still expect a level of maturity and decency from everyone. Now, does that mean I always get it? Of course not. I am just one guy. I have NO control over ANY of you. I will say this, you know I am right. In your hearts, you know that what I am saying is right.
My sisters, please look inside yourselves. You know the truth about YOU. You cannot see inside another and, therefore, you must take each other at face value. Trust. As difficult as it may be, you must have trust in one another or there is NO way you can be a part of a family! Same goes for the guys! We are brothers here and, as such, we must have a level of trust. I am not asking that we all exchange bank account numbers...I am asking that we all care.
Lol... What can I say? I was born in 89. The "music of my time" is lame as hell.
Dated, outdated... I dont care. Music is what I care about. And I like bothe the Beatles and the Stones, and a whole lot of other bands that started out before I was even an idea. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, March 13, 2009 6:50:04 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
To be fair, they were before my time, I was born in '66, so their music was a tad 'dated', not much, but enough...and no way did their style get ahold of me like Thin Lizzy or Deep Purple. But I should point out that I am being hypcacritical, as I do like the Doors and the Animals and some Motown, and by the same 'logic' (?) I should not like them because the are 'dated' as well...I just never got into their 'groove' let's say...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Georgie wasnt all bad. He had a good song or two... Johnny was the king! It could be worse tho... You could have liked Paul.
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
Well, Georgie wasnt all bad. He had a good song or two... Johnny was the king! It could be worse tho... You could have liked Paul. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, March 13, 2009 6:09:09 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
Lol!!! Well, they were on LSD... Ever wondered how they wrote "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"? And if youve seen their movie "Magical mistery tour", then you know what Im talking about.
But, what the hell, its still a nice song. Youre just mean!
Sorry dude, don't like the Beatles...there are only a few songs that I can listen to (guitar gently weeps, helter skelter)...I like a lot of their solo work, especially George Harrison...but as a band, hey jude and yellow submarine killed it for me many years back...
_strat_ wrote:
I love them too. I vahe "A bigger bang" album, and I love it, even more than their early stuff.
Ok, I heard this theory that people who like Stones dont like Beatles. IDK, I like both bands. Anyone else?
Well, its a long way from Wisconsin to Florida, if you have just a single day off. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, March 13, 2009 5:04:14 AM)
devils_child wrote:
WHAT??? WHY??????
Jeanine wrote:
Having off on April 2nd but not being able to go see Iron Maiden play in Florida
Np. Theyre all on youtube. Hope you like them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 13, 2009 4:29:59 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Thanks strat!
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeeeeellll... I could reccomend loads. But to start it off, I guess Gamma rays "Send me a sign" would be a perfect recommendation. Then, something like "Power of the Dragonflame" from Rhapsody... Or indeed, any song from Rhapsody. I havent heard a bad song from them yet. Their guitarist Luca Turilli has some good solo stuff to. Check out "Ancient forest of elves".
Blind Guardian, specialy if you like good vocals (they dont get much better than that). "Mirror, Mirror", then "the Bards song" (acoustic, but still great).
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I think Hammerfall is pretty decent (I have the Crimson Thunder CD ripped to my laptop). I heard a Dragonforce song once and was totally not impressed. However, I am always looking to expand my sphere of musical taste. Could someone recommend some great power metal songs for me?
Nah, not the evil Strat. Thats me! Im evil... I was refering to that Big Jack/War Machine/Blood red skies, ect. asshole that was banned a while ago. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 13, 2009 4:26:08 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL...Yeah, some of us will never really grow up! Oh, the 'evil' strat? I didn't bother with him. What a douche some people are! I'm very put off by all of the drama caused by certain people who can't treat everyone fairly and equally.
_strat_ wrote:
Grown ones... Lol. The worst case I remember turned out to be a 53 (?!?!) year old dude. But he was here for the sole purpose of shitdisturbing. When regulars start acting like that, thats more worrying, imo.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Me neither Strat. I would like to think that we are all better people than that. Personally, I cannot understand why people (especially grown ones!) have to act this way. It's really disheartening and it makes us all look foolish to others who would like to join the site. Life and even the internet, is soooooooo much bigger than our petty jealousies and insecurities.
_strat_ wrote:
I second thyat. Like we dont have enough problems with shitdisturbers from outside, now were going to have a "civil war" between regulars... Ffs...
Im really surprised at Bev, tho. I wouldnt expect that kind of bullshit from her.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Hey Vaillant 3.0....Bev...Solent Green and Metalgodess.....(lol)not trying to irritate you guys,but all 4 of you have actually started "this friction" between nobody else but "yourselves"! Yes,it's true....not to worry,some people get caught up in various things...this just happens to be yours,thats all. If someone wants to stir up B.S. here,then ignore them.Whats funny is that you don't have to get worked up about it.
Just stop causing friction and have a good time,whats wrong with that? Nothing... Before all 4 of you got tangled up in arguing,this place has been silent.If you think someone posts something to cause problems,just ignore the post and post something cool,or whatever..its entirely up to nobody else but "you". As I've said before,these kinds of friction are everywhere...but if this place makes you soooo unhappy then nobody is keeping you here....you can search for the "perfect" website where nobody has a difference of opinion right?
Rock on guys!! Edited at: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:51:59 AM
Weeeeeeellll... I could reccomend loads. But to start it off, I guess Gamma rays "Send me a sign" would be a perfect recommendation. Then, something like "Power of the Dragonflame" from Rhapsody... Or indeed, any song from Rhapsody. I havent heard a bad song from them yet. Their guitarist Luca Turilli has some good solo stuff to. Check out "Ancient forest of elves".
Blind Guardian, specialy if you like good vocals (they dont get much better than that). "Mirror, Mirror", then "the Bards song" (acoustic, but still great).
I think Hammerfall is pretty decent (I have the Crimson Thunder CD ripped to my laptop). I heard a Dragonforce song once and was totally not impressed. However, I am always looking to expand my sphere of musical taste. Could someone recommend some great power metal songs for me?
Grown ones... Lol. The worst case I remember turned out to be a 53 (?!?!) year old dude. But he was here for the sole purpose of shitdisturbing. When regulars start acting like that, thats more worrying, imo. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, March 13, 2009 4:03:49 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Me neither Strat. I would like to think that we are all better people than that. Personally, I cannot understand why people (especially grown ones!) have to act this way. It's really disheartening and it makes us all look foolish to others who would like to join the site. Life and even the internet, is soooooooo much bigger than our petty jealousies and insecurities.
_strat_ wrote:
I second thyat. Like we dont have enough problems with shitdisturbers from outside, now were going to have a "civil war" between regulars... Ffs...
Im really surprised at Bev, tho. I wouldnt expect that kind of bullshit from her.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Hey Vaillant 3.0....Bev...Solent Green and Metalgodess.....(lol)not trying to irritate you guys,but all 4 of you have actually started "this friction" between nobody else but "yourselves"! Yes,it's true....not to worry,some people get caught up in various things...this just happens to be yours,thats all. If someone wants to stir up B.S. here,then ignore them.Whats funny is that you don't have to get worked up about it.
Just stop causing friction and have a good time,whats wrong with that? Nothing... Before all 4 of you got tangled up in arguing,this place has been silent.If you think someone posts something to cause problems,just ignore the post and post something cool,or whatever..its entirely up to nobody else but "you". As I've said before,these kinds of friction are everywhere...but if this place makes you soooo unhappy then nobody is keeping you here....you can search for the "perfect" website where nobody has a difference of opinion right?
Rock on guys!! Edited at: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:51:59 AM
Gamma ray too. Send me a sign is one of my all time favourite songs. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:57:55 PM)
Sorry, but no thanks. The only thing I like about them is the video for Last Supper. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Phantom A6 from Thursday, March 12, 2009 10:53:24 PM)
I second that. Like we dont have enough problems with shitdisturbers from outside, now were going to have a "civil war" between regulars... Ffs...
Im really surprised at Bev, tho. I wouldnt expect that kind of bullshit from her. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, March 13, 2009 3:51:08 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Hey Vaillant 3.0....Bev...Solent Green and Metalgodess.....(lol)not trying to irritate you guys,but all 4 of you have actually started "this friction" between nobody else but "yourselves"! Yes,it's true....not to worry,some people get caught up in various things...this just happens to be yours,thats all. If someone wants to stir up B.S. here,then ignore them.Whats funny is that you don't have to get worked up about it.
Just stop causing friction and have a good time,whats wrong with that? Nothing... Before all 4 of you got tangled up in arguing,this place has been silent.If you think someone posts something to cause problems,just ignore the post and post something cool,or whatever..its entirely up to nobody else but "you". As I've said before,these kinds of friction are everywhere...but if this place makes you soooo unhappy then nobody is keeping you here....you can search for the "perfect" website where nobody has a difference of opinion right?
Rock on guys!! Edited at: Friday, March 13, 2009 3:51:59 AM
Havent heard of them before, but Im listening to them now. "Before the duel" is the song. I like it. Specialy the guitarist, plays a nice melody, and decent riffs. Also, he looks kinda like Iommy, so thats bonus points too, lol.
Im not sure about the singer, tho. Average, imo. He just doesnt have the kind of voice that would fit power metal, imo. Rhapsodys or Hammerfalls singers are much better.
Ok, my turn, lol... Pyramaze. I guess you know them, but just in case if there is someone out here who doesnt, its a must:
As much as I love Blind Guardian, Demons and Wizards never really appealed to me... IDK, I think that (at least on those songs I heard) Hansi is really not doing what we know he is able to do. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by JudasFire from Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:11:49 AM)
JudasFire wrote:
you should check Demons and Wizards, really good power metal band w/ Jon from Iced Earth and Hansi from Blind Guardian
Yup, yup, yup. Power metal thread take 3 (at least). I know power metal heads are out there... So... To start it off, Hammerfall... Ive been listening to their new stuff lately - particulary "Last man standing" and "Natural high" are both bloody awesome songs. Sorry, no links yet, the work computer wont let me, but I promise there will be some when I get home.
Anyone familiar with Rhaposdy of Fire? A bloody great band from Italy... Any song on youtube is good, but Power of the Dragonflame and Unholy Warcry are the best...
Dragonforce... Nuff said. Another great one, guitarists probably drink a bathtub-full of coffe everyday...
So, anyone else has any stuff to share? Something not very well known, probably?
Great pic! Really cool. But you were driving on the wrong side of the road again... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, March 10, 2009 11:47:23 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Took this one on a road trip down through the country.. How's this for heading out to the highway?
This was all over the news today. They said that after the shit at school, he drove downtown and killed (or was it wounded) three more in a mall, where he was then killed by the police.
Looks more like a report from a battlefield than anything...
A 17 YEAR OLD FORMER STUDENT ENTERS HIS HIGH SCHOOL AND KILLS AT LEAST 15 PEOPLE IN GERMANY TODAY, A REPORTED 10 STUDENTS,3 TEACHERS,AND TWO BYSTANDERS,WHILE ENGAGED IN A GUN BATTLE WITH POLICE...THE 17 YEAR OLD WAS REPORTEDLY SHOT AND KILLED BY POLICE....A VERY SAD SITUATION INDEED...
IDK, Ive seen metalheads with dreadlocks. It is nasty, tho. Wouldnt have one.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Nothing can explain out-dated hair styles! LOL. Dreads are still used by a few reggae peeps and whatnot. No, they are definitely not metal and they are generally nasty ratsnests.
devils_child wrote:
Perhaps... still doesn't explain the mowhawk that i witnessed... LOL. And just to set things straight, (maybe i should put this in the old school thread)... but last time i checked dreads were not metal *cough* learn to brush one's hair *cough*.... Trust me, i sat through numerous environmental education lectures at uni to know they are hippy... and they smell. Hmmm, guess im prejudice against a group of people....... oh well.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Maybe said drealocked person was of African or Carribbean decent? If so, then it would be normal.
devils_child wrote:
Ewwwwwwww..... You let some hippy fling their dreadies in your face.. I would kicked him, f*cking knob.... Just like at Maiden I had some guy in front of me with a 2 foot high mowhawk... AND it was purple!!! Who the hell goes to a metal gig with a mowhawk... ??? That's punk last time i checked... and as for dreads.... HIPPIES.... They supposedly hate metal..
Matchova wrote:
Oh I know something that sucks big time...your standing next to a dredlocked-freak at the priest consert - and the bastard starts headbanging and you get a dreadlock in your eye! It feels like your beeing whiped (not in a good way that is).
IDK, Ive seen metalheads with dreadlocks. It is nasty, tho. Wouldnt have one. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:53:29 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Nothing can explain out-dated hair styles! LOL. Dreads are still used by a few reggae peeps and whatnot. No, they are definitely not metal and they are generally nasty ratsnests.
devils_child wrote:
Perhaps... still doesn't explain the mowhawk that i witnessed... LOL. And just to set things straight, (maybe i should put this in the old school thread)... but last time i checked dreads were not metal *cough* learn to brush one's hair *cough*.... Trust me, i sat through numerous environmental education lectures at uni to know they are hippy... and they smell. Hmmm, guess im prejudice against a group of people....... oh well.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Maybe said drealocked person was of African or Carribbean decent? If so, then it would be normal.
devils_child wrote:
Ewwwwwwww..... You let some hippy fling their dreadies in your face.. I would kicked him, f*cking knob.... Just like at Maiden I had some guy in front of me with a 2 foot high mowhawk... AND it was purple!!! Who the hell goes to a metal gig with a mowhawk... ??? That's punk last time i checked... and as for dreads.... HIPPIES.... They supposedly hate metal..
Matchova wrote:
Oh I know something that sucks big time...your standing next to a dredlocked-freak at the priest consert - and the bastard starts headbanging and you get a dreadlock in your eye! It feels like your beeing whiped (not in a good way that is).
Ummm... Jungle rangers? IDK... For the sake of argument, lets change the scenery, and call them ZOO staff. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:12:19 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I didn't know jungles had park rangers.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Kinda. Remember, you still have a gun with one bullet in it. And if you run the bugger over, you would have blood and fur on the car.
You shoot the tiger, then you jump into the Jaguar and take off, before the park rangers come and start asking questions about the dead tiger.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Well you just took the fun out of it!! lol! Just kidding,.....ok,I'd turn around and jump in my "jaguar" and run the tiger over!!!! ?? No? lol!
_strat_ wrote:
No. You kinda have to make it through alive.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Does this anwer your question correctly?
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:22:15 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Youre in a jungle. There is a Jaguar behind you, and a tiger in front of you. You have a gun with just one bullet left. What do you do?
Lol... Kinda. Remember, you still have a gun with one bullet in it. And if you run the bugger over, you would have blood and fur on the car.
You shoot the tiger, then you jump into the Jaguar and take off, before the park rangers come and start asking questions about the dead tiger. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:53:45 AM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Well you just took the fun out of it!! lol! Just kidding,.....ok,I'd turn around and jump in my "jaguar" and run the tiger over!!!! ?? No? lol!
_strat_ wrote:
No. You kinda have to make it through alive.
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Does this anwer your question correctly?
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, March 11, 2009 2:22:15 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Youre in a jungle. There is a Jaguar behind you, and a tiger in front of you. You have a gun with just one bullet left. What do you do?
No handwritting? I guess the future of the english language is going to look like phone texting. "CU @ 8, OK."
Wonderful! The future just keeps getting dimmer, or is that dumber? Thank God Flora already got through tha part a while back.
Bev wrote:
Nevermind the economy and budget slights of hand, now the powers that be are concerned about whether or not they should eliminate "handwriting" from core cirriculum, due to modern technology. Helpless should there ever be a mass power outage, or some other catastrophy. I s'pose we could always revert to stone & chissel.
One of the bullshitiest ideas ever. Its like learning how to use a calculator, without learning how to count first. Not to mention that doing everything exclusively on computers is a really bad idea. You write something on a piece of paper, it stays there. You write something on a computer, it stays there... Until the thing crashes.
Not to mention that a notebook and a pen are much cheaper than laptops. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:14:41 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Never mind a catastrophe! How about documents? How can a future adult rent out an apartment if he/she can't handwrite and sign the document? Or sign a lease on a car? Or even pay bills? Even with fancy modern technology, there are plenty of things out there that need a signature in order to prove authenticity of sorts. That's some deep thinking from the powers that be, all right...
Bev wrote:
Nevermind the economy and budget slights of hand, now the powers that be are concerned about whether or not they should eliminate "handwriting" from core cirriculum, due to modern technology. Helpless should there ever be a mass power outage, or some other catastrophy. I s'pose we could always revert to stone & chissel.
Well, in that case, you probably dont have to change the tone much. Just palm mute the 6th string, BUT let ring the notes on the 5th. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze Rolla from Tuesday, March 10, 2009 7:40:18 AM)
Lol... I know how you feel. I have a haircut once a year. I usualy leave it long over winter, and then cut it in spring, so Im not hot in the summer. By March, everyone is nagging me that I should go. And of course, the same people then laugh their asses off when I come back with really short hair... lol. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by DelivererofEvil from Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:13:06 AM)
DelivererofEvil wrote:
Hair dressers are probably the same on both sides of the Atlantic, but the trick I figured out to use on my trips there (usually I'm dragged and kicked into a hair dresser's when all the women I know come together and literally drag me there ) is to look them in the eye with a serious, but polite face and simply say what I want. Precisely
Hmm... Well, you certainly have to keep the R-Fier stack (or the messa boogie model). Then, if you have gain all the way to ten (like I usualy have), it would be a good idea to turn it down a little. Not too much, tho, not past 7, or 6. Playing around with the bass knob will probably turn up something too.
I dont know how pickups go on Jacksons, but try switching them too.
How do you play that riff? Do you mute the 6th string, or do you let it ring? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze Rolla from Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:32:04 AM)
Deep Freeze Rolla wrote:
(roland cube 60 + Jackson DK2S) Does anybody know how to get a Judas Priest sound out of it? The Mesa Boogie amp model is really good but also very dominant:
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If I play that (hell patrol, riff that leads into the verse) you can barely hear the other notes because the bass notes (F#) are too dominant.
Can anybody please oh please help me
Bass:
Middle:
Treble:
Presence:
Gain: Edited at: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:32:43 AM
IDK... Barichello has been in F1 for... what? 15 years? Maybe even more than that. Same with Fisichella, and Trulli is a veteran too. IDK, maybe one of them gets lucky and finaly wins, or at least comes close to winning the World Cup, but I dont think that will be so. I think that this year will be much like the last one. Hamilton, Alonso, Raikonnen, maybe Massa... They will be the main pretenders. Well, we will see, in any case. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Monday, March 09, 2009 11:55:37 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
As much as I loved him, you are right. I'd love to see Barichello do well. He's been such a staple in Formula 1. Would love to see Trulli and Fisichella come into the fight also. Unfortunately, I don't think any of them have the cars to do so.
_strat_ wrote:
... Or we may see another epic battle, like the one between Senna and Prost! I dont want to be mean or anything, but Formula 1 has certainly become very interesting since Schumacher retired. Its actually interesting now.
TIMBONI wrote:
I'm anxious to see if Alsonso can bring the battle he wants to bring to Hamilton. He's looked fast in testing and he seems to have something personal with Hamilton. If they mix it up on a personal level it could create opportunities for others on the track.
_strat_ wrote:
No one of those you mentioned can rise to the top. Because of a simple fact that Hamilton will be there.
Ross Braun may be a good surprise tho. He really is a genius, and Im looking forward to see how his team will do.
TIMBONI wrote:
So . . . . . any thoughts for the new year ? Ross Braun a team owner ? Is this man such a genius that he was able to see into the future and this is why he would leave a team like Ferrari ? Alonso rising back to the top ? Kimi finally living up to his potential ? Barichello still has a ride . . . good / bad ? Anybody !
i was at Priest show at Globen Stocholm,that was a magic night ,Priest was GREAT... i only sorry that Priest dont play in my country (Serbia)...Tipton appendix problem.....but i see Tipton in Globen play guitar nice and like Rob say " We promise to you people in Belgrade Serbia we came and play for you "....
WE WAIT JUDAS PRIEST TO PLAY IN SERBIA ..................
Well, if he starts calling you "Don" than I think you should make him an offer he cant refuse...
But since he is from the security department, I guess you better be carefull. In any case, ignoring such bastards is usualy the best way to do it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 09, 2009 4:31:32 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
What I find amusing they set the guy's desk up next to me. Now, it's my turn to train him? I wonder if he has any ethnic jokes about Italians so I can make wisecracks about how stupid he is. Mind you, the dude was working in our Security Dept (no minorities there) before being "transferred" here. Hmmmmm....
_strat_ wrote:
Im hoping sooner. Its stupid enough being a racist, but being a racist against someone trying to train you for work must be the new all-time low.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey Ron! Sounds like you had a pretty good weekend! Very cool my friend.
I just found out that some newbie (caucasian) to our Internet Client Assistance Team has been saying racial jokes to black people on that team who are trying to train him! It's a testament to the gentlemen who this ridiculous stuff is being said to, that they haven't gone off and whupped this sorry f***ers ass yet, and that things are being done through the proper channels. Now that our manager has the email (saw it on his desk), I don't see this idiot hanging around much longer. You don't piss my boss off.
Anyone want to take bets as to how much longer said douchebag will last here? I'm shooting for noon.
ronhartsell wrote:
I thought I'd drop this bit of insight I gained from a party I helped to host Saturday night. It was a birthday party for a (now) 22 year old niece of a friend, and because of space issues, the party was here. Originally I was going to go out and play poker with the guys and avoid this 'younger' crowd as I don't have much in common with them, but once ppl started flowing in (some as much as an hour early) there was just to much to do so I stayed. As much as I hate to admit this, I really had a good time. I had my music playing as I was doing some preparations, and as they came I didn't hear one complaint...as a matter of fact, the station (Boneyard) never changed all night!! For the most part, it was all new to them. Everyone drank and had a really good time. It was a very mixed crowd as well...white, black and latino and with the birthday girl being gay, that added a whole new dimension to it. I must admit that it was a lively night full of fun and laughter...a very pleasant suprise. I am very happy to say that (after a day of recuperating) that there is a part of the younger crowd that does know how to have a good time and let loose without going overboard and losing it in the wee hours...much to my suprise!!...I was also happy to realize that at 42, I can still hang with the young pups!!!...lol...
Im hoping sooner. Its stupid enough being a racist, but being a racist against someone trying to train you for work must be the new all-time low. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, March 09, 2009 4:14:20 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey Ron! Sounds like you had a pretty good weekend! Very cool my friend.
I just found out that some newbie (caucasian) to our Internet Client Assistance Team has been saying racial jokes to black people on that team who are trying to train him! It's a testament to the gentlemen who this ridiculous stuff is being said to, that they haven't gone off and whupped this sorry f***ers ass yet, and that things are being done through the proper channels. Now that our manager has the email (saw it on his desk), I don't see this idiot hanging around much longer. You don't piss my boss off.
Anyone want to take bets as to how much longer said douchebag will last here? I'm shooting for noon.
ronhartsell wrote:
I thought I'd drop this bit of insight I gained from a party I helped to host Saturday night. It was a birthday party for a (now) 22 year old niece of a friend, and because of space issues, the party was here. Originally I was going to go out and play poker with the guys and avoid this 'younger' crowd as I don't have much in common with them, but once ppl started flowing in (some as much as an hour early) there was just to much to do so I stayed. As much as I hate to admit this, I really had a good time. I had my music playing as I was doing some preparations, and as they came I didn't hear one complaint...as a matter of fact, the station (Boneyard) never changed all night!! For the most part, it was all new to them. Everyone drank and had a really good time. It was a very mixed crowd as well...white, black and latino and with the birthday girl being gay, that added a whole new dimension to it. I must admit that it was a lively night full of fun and laughter...a very pleasant suprise. I am very happy to say that (after a day of recuperating) that there is a part of the younger crowd that does know how to have a good time and let loose without going overboard and losing it in the wee hours...much to my suprise!!...I was also happy to realize that at 42, I can still hang with the young pups!!!...lol...
... Or we may see another epic battle, like the one between Senna and Prost! I dont want to be mean or anything, but Formula 1 has certainly become very interesting since Schumacher retired. Its actually interesting now. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:22:38 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
I'm anxious to see if Alsonso can bring the battle he wants to bring to Hamilton. He's looked fast in testing and he seems to have something personal with Hamilton. If they mix it up on a personal level it could create opportunities for others on the track.
_strat_ wrote:
No one of those you mentioned can rise to the top. Because of a simple fact that Hamilton will be there.
Ross Braun may be a good surprise tho. He really is a genius, and Im looking forward to see how his team will do.
TIMBONI wrote:
So . . . . . any thoughts for the new year ? Ross Braun a team owner ? Is this man such a genius that he was able to see into the future and this is why he would leave a team like Ferrari ? Alonso rising back to the top ? Kimi finally living up to his potential ? Barichello still has a ride . . . good / bad ? Anybody !
Hey, 'Child!!! Where did you get my 1st grade picture?!?!?!!???HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My deepest thanks to you lovely ladies! Once again, I am humbled by the kindness of my dear, Metal family!!!! It has been a most enjoyable day for me. The Princess took me to breakfast, bought me a new BBQ and my new recording equipment should arrive in the next day or so!!!!!! WOW!! What an awesome birthday!!
My thanks to one and all for making this day so special for me. I believe it is time to shut down for the remainder of the evening and spend some "quality" time while watching the baseball game!!!!! I will be looking in on all of you again tomorrow and don't forget...tomorrow is Metal Meltdown's Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by devils_child from Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:53:39 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Happy Birthday Freeze!!
I got you that monkey you wanted... Or so i was led to believe you wanted one.
Oh?? Did you send it to him???....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously though, it is very cool for a "regular" guy like me to have such wonderful, widely dispersed friends, just as it is for ALL the membership. What a wonderful "perk"!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Weeeeeellll....... Me, HB, Guido, all the members of this forum, all members of JP, Obama, Bush (Im told he got a lovely card from Blair on Valentines day as well).
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you, HB. You know, I am sitting here chatting with the Princess and I was just saying how I have b-day wishes from all over the world!! That is just SO cool! How many people can say that????
You still do that? I stoped when I was away for a while... Got some couple of 10.000 messages since my last visit. I just go through threads. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:21:35 AM)
Head banger wrote:
that I log in here for the first time all weekend, hit up the 547 recent posts, then hit the wrong button, close the window, and have to troll thru all the threads to see what was going on. ARGH
Weeeeeellll....... Me, HB, Guido, all the members of this forum, all members of JP, Obama, Bush (Im told he got a lovely card from Blair on Valentines day as well). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 10:30:28 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you, HB. You know, I am sitting here chatting with the Princess and I was just saying how I have b-day wishes from all over the world!! That is just SO cool! How many people can say that????
And I emphasised "no fooling" because I realised that thats what I do most of the time, so I guess now I have to say that Im seriuos in the rare moments when I am. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:39:39 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow!! OK, NO fooling!! HAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Actually, I thought that was last Friday but I could be wrong! It is very kind of you to say so and I appreciate it.
_strat_ wrote:
Why, its the international womens day, isnt it? At least it is in Europe anyway... IDK, I just think its cool. Seriously. No fooling around this time.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you very much, my friend. But what makes the date so "nice"?
_strat_ wrote:
Happy birthday. You know that we remember. Such a nice date too.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you Ron, Bev and all! Very kind of you to remember an old man on his day.
Why, its the international womens day, isnt it? At least it is in Europe anyway... IDK, I just think its cool. Seriously. No fooling around this time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:34:26 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you very much, my friend. But what makes the date so "nice"?
_strat_ wrote:
Happy birthday. You know that we remember. Such a nice date too.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you Ron, Bev and all! Very kind of you to remember an old man on his day.
Happy birthday. You know that we remember. Such a nice date too. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, March 08, 2009 9:23:40 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you Ron, Bev and all! Very kind of you to remember an old man on his day.
So . . . . . any thoughts for the new year ? Ross Braun a team owner ? Is this man such a genius that he was able to see into the future and this is why he would leave a team like Ferrari ? Alonso rising back to the top ? Kimi finally living up to his potential ? Barichello still has a ride . . . good / bad ? Anybody !
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not so much his attire, my friend, as his demeanor. I do not expect him to wear a tuxedo and top hat, of course! My reference was to his behavior in a comparative instance to his early years. A younger Rob, while allegedly "hiding" his sexuality clearly tried, with a certain fervor, to display it with his onstage "wiggling" and "prancing". Perhaps a lot of that had to do with his feelings of confinement? Perhaps it was his way of "acting out"? Hell, I am no Dr. Phil, man.
As an "older" man, having accomplished so very much in his career of choice, I should think you can see clearly his more refined, even dignified approach to his stage personae? All of this is just this man's opinion, of course.
(Quoting Message by metalmaz from Saturday, March 07, 2009 9:33:04 AM)
metalmaz wrote:
Dignified? In in stage garb?
(Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, March 06, 2009 8:04:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Quite frankly, I would rather not see Rob swishing his behind and prancing around the stage. There is an element of dignity to what he does now. I respect that.
ronhartsell wrote:
metalmaz...I would argue that most 57 year olds don't do what he does...and do it night after night...and add in all the travel (do they not travel by bus over land??), the heat from the lights, the weight of the wardrobe...not making excuses here, just thinking...
metalmaz wrote:
Most 57 year olds have got more energy than him.
Matchova wrote:
Com on, Rob is 57, and thank God he dosnt strutt around like he taught he was a teenager, I cant stand it when guys at his age pop-around like they were 30 years younger than their actual age, that just becomes parody.
The reason he bends over I suspect, is to "push forward" the diafragma to ensure the quality.
The stageshow they put on is bombastic, the lighting, smoke, scenery...how many new bands puts on a show like that?? What more do you need to add?
Also, personaly I think that Diamonds and Rust for example is a song that suits Robs nodays more darker voice better than before.
But thats me...
This comes to mind... (bear thru the intro... the thing starts about a minute into the video). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:45:14 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
no, no...she's last years 'hide and seek' winner...
Bev wrote:
Why (besides feeling blonde myself right now) am I thinking this has something to do with looking for the front door?!
(Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:29:17 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Ok, here's a blonde joke (it's only a joke!!)...
...what do you call a dead blonde in a closet??
Edited at: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:36:41 AM Edited at: Saturday, March 07, 2009 10:37:34 AM
Oh, I understand. I kinda like my job too. Its my proffesion (graphic design), I chose it and I like it. But 8 hrs straight (ok, ok... With lunch and cig pauses in between) and Im dying to do something else by the end.
Well, they will have to step out and give it a go sooner or later... Parents wont be there forever, and even if they were, I dont think many of them would be willing to just give money to a 30 - 40 year old "kid".
And dont even get me started on the economy... The company that I work in is owned by foreigners. As soon as the shit hit the fan, they started moving the production to their country, and by the looks of it we will have layoffs pretty soon. Not that my job is threatened (it is only meant to be till summer), but it isnt exactly a pleasant thought.
In any case... Its pretty late now, I gotta go to sleep. See you all tomorrow. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, March 06, 2009 5:10:56 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Yeah strat,most all of us don't "enjoy" going to "work" but we do it anyways for $money...the name of the game. I am a "shot peen operator". I work controlling the RPMs on a big wheelabrator which is kind of like sand blasting but its not sand blast it's shot peen....a method which strenghthens parts(usually airplane parts but not all are airplane parts)just like the old hammersmiths heating up swords and folding them over and over ect... I actually "like" my job while I'm there...its kind of rewarding to peen all these parts and I do a ton of paperwork at the same time....time flys.I'd much rather be doing something I really enjoy obviously music but really,shot peen is pretty cool.
Over here in the states,I think kids are becoming too lazy and are to afraid to step out there and give it a go.I know our economy is turned upsidedown right now but thats because of fucking George W.Bush for 8 years,he fucked up our economy but thankfully "Barack Obama" has been elected!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If John McCain were elected,I would of lost my job by the end of the year no doubt...out company is already struggling to survive as it is. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, March 06, 2009 4:35:18 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
IDK... Over here most young people (or people who are still in school/college) work. Theres only so much money that mommy and daddy can (or will) give. Im almost 20, I work. I dont particulary enjoy it, but money is money...
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Fuckin' A Becks!!! I agree with you 100% and good for you for not being lazy!! I can't believe these freakin' kids of today....I'm not saying all kids are like this but I'll bet at least 75% of kids today have this attitude that they can just get money from thier parents.
Becks wrote:
I agree with the sentiment that kids are getting lazy. I'm 24 and have been working in some form or another since I was about 12 - paper runs etc. Kids these days think money grows on trees and don't understand you've got to EARN IT, in the real world it doesn't get handed out on a silver platter.
I think I understand now why Quebec wants to seccede... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Friday, March 06, 2009 5:11:26 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
....ONCE AGAIN WE SMART ONTARIO FOLK,TRIUMPH OVER YOU DUMB-AS-A-DUCK WINNIPEGERS!....
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
HOW FITTING MG...CUCKOO CLOCKS,TRYING TO LOCATE YOUR PICTURE AMONG THEM THOUGH!....YOU'RE IN THERE SOMEWHERE,I'M SURE OF IT..
OH,DON'T FORGET TO TURN YOUR CLOCKS AHEAD,IT'S FOR THE FARMERS YOU KNOW...
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Geesh dont we set are clocks ahead soon... by an hour....
As if I needed something else to screw up my schedule... LOL
Well, unless growing a nice speciment of some sort of a fungus on one of my socks is considered farming, than I guess I am one. That aside, they can just get up one hour later in the winter without setting the clock. All they need is a calendar. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Friday, March 06, 2009 4:46:26 PM)
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
I dont think people need to this.. set clocks forward/backward.. doesnt even make sense.. and dont anyone give me
The "its for the farmers speech" heard that one too,, LOL
More daylight... ect.. doesnt matter if you yourself need it and you are a farmer.. then YOU set your clock ahead an hour..
Dont screw the rest of us...LOL
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, March 06, 2009 4:32:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, right. I hate it too... Wish they would drop the whole clock setting thing ASAP. And its one hour ahead... Means getting up one hour earlier in the morning. The bastards.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Geesh dont we set are clocks ahead soon... by an hour....
As if I needed something else to screw up my schedule... LOL
They should leave her alone AND keep their noses out of her business. The lenghts that some people go through these days are just ridiculous. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Friday, March 06, 2009 4:57:25 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
16 YEAR OLD GIRL IN ENGLAND, A WEEK INTO WORKING FOR A LOGISTICS COMPANY GETS FIRED FOR POSTING ON FACEBOOK THAT HER JOB IS "BORING"...YES,IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN A SMART THING TO DO,BUT COME ON,SHE'S 16...THEY SHOULD TALK WITH HER,AND GIVE HER ANOTHER SHOT.
Maybe in Silmarillion, IDK... I guess that those who want to see it will see Catholicism in a tea spoon.
In any case, the guy was kidding, and I havent even realised it till I went over it again, and read the disclaimer at the end. Pretty funny stuff, tho, considering that it isnt serious. Then it would be just dumb.
I think some people claim there is Christian imagery in Tolkien, or maybe I'm getting it confused with Chronicles of Narnia... I dunno
_strat_ wrote:
WTF?!?!?! Lol... Well, I listened to Nightfall in Middle Earth through and through (my favourite album, as it happens), and couldnt find a reference to Catholicism. Elves, orcs and dwarfs galore, but no Catholics...
IDK... Over here most young people (or people who are still in school/college) work. Theres only so much money that mommy and daddy can (or will) give. Im almost 20, I work. I dont particulary enjoy it, but money is money... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, March 06, 2009 2:59:34 PM)
J.D. DIAMOND wrote:
Fuckin' A Becks!!! I agree with you 100% and good for you for not being lazy!! I can't believe these freakin' kids of today....I'm not saying all kids are like this but I'll bet at least 75% of kids today have this attitude that they can just get money from thier parents.
Becks wrote:
I agree with the sentiment that kids are getting lazy. I'm 24 and have been working in some form or another since I was about 12 - paper runs etc. Kids these days think money grows on trees and don't understand you've got to EARN IT, in the real world it doesn't get handed out on a silver platter.
Oh, right. I hate it too... Wish they would drop the whole clock setting thing ASAP. And its one hour ahead... Means getting up one hour earlier in the morning. The bastards. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Friday, March 06, 2009 4:25:04 PM)
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Geesh dont we set are clocks ahead soon... by an hour....
As if I needed something else to screw up my schedule... LOL
Is not true! Stratistan economy strongest in world! We just opened a new facility for inserting little haselnuts inside chocolate bars. Now we make takeover of you!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Dow Kmac right now is at -1... not great but not as bad as other kingdoms. And no, its not for sale.
_strat_ wrote:
Kmacia in a reccesion? How is Dow Kmac doing?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
These are harsh economic times for the kingdom, fellow friend. It was the best idea we had at our disposal that was within our budget.
TIMBONI wrote:
It must have taken many a can to expel such an attack. Chemical warfare is so banal !
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yes, I did...thank you.
Thank goodness the plague is gone. Nothing a little magic spray can couldn't fix!
TIMBONI wrote:
Lady Vail ! Did you get my belated birthday wishes ? Sorry for my absence. Upon my return to the kingdom, I was warned against my return due to a plague that had infested the kingdom. It was not until it's irradication that I could take my post again.
MICHAEL JACKSON?...OHHHHH NOOOOO!!!!......RUN AWAAAAAY!......"WHAT'S WRONG WITH THE BRITS?"WAS ASKED...WHAT'S WRONG WITH ALL HIS FELLOW U.S. CITIZENS,WHO STILL WORSHIP THE GROUND HE CREEPS ON?...I MEAN HOLY F%$K ,THAT WHOLE SITUATION A FEW YEARS BACK ABOUT THE MOLESTATION TRIAL IN THE U.S....PEOPLE WERE OUT THERE EVERY DAY,FROM AGES 8 TO 88 CAMPING OUT,CHANTING HIS NAME,CRYING FOR HIS FREEDOM,WILLING TO GIVE UP THEIR FIRST BORN FOR HIM NOT TO GO TO JAIL,ACTING LIKE THEY'D JUST SEEN JESUS CHRIST...I MEAN WHAT A PACK OF FU#$ING LOSERS,IDOLIZING SOMEONE WHO THEY KNOW DAMN WELL PREYED UPON INNOCENT CHILDREN...THE ONLY THING I FOUND REMOTELY AMUSING ABOUT THAT WHOLE SCENE,WAS WHEN 'TRIUMPH' THE INSULT COMIC DOG PAYED A VISIT TO THESE MORONS CAMPED OUT,HOPING TO GET A GLIMPSE OF THEIR 'MOLESTING' HERO...HE CARVED THEM UP PRETTY GOOD...GOOD DOG TRIUMPH...GOOD BOY...NOW RUN AWAY BEFORE M.J. SPOTS YOU.
Apparently, his quest for perfection in performances was an epic fail. And apparently, he already crossed the line, and is now not a genius... Just insane. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:32:39 PM)
Bev wrote:
He (Michael Jackson) walks the classic fine-line between genius and insanity. It is my understanding, from a carpenter that worked for him during the Victory tour, that he demanded no less than perfection in quality from the staff. Apparently he expected nothing less from his own performances. Incredible how things turn out.
WTF?!?!?! Lol... Well, I listened to Nightfall in Middle Earth through and through (my favourite album, as it happens), and couldnt find a reference to Catholicism. Elves, orcs and dwarfs galore, but no Catholics... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kiamat from Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:23:01 PM)
Yup. Nice muscles, eh? Like Michelangelo himself painted them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kiamat from Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:25:24 PM)
Forget it, then. Im sure that there are plenty of other tit experts, who will be happy to do it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, March 05, 2009 10:21:58 AM)
Head banger wrote:
you will webcast this too me? my fee including travel may bankrupt you. as an expert, my opinion is quite expensive. capitalism you know.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok. You get them implants, and we`ll go swimming. HB will be the independant expert, who will determine who floats better.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think we should conduct our own "independent" study.
Now then....volunteers? (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37:17 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Really? I saw another show (Brainiac, I think) where they did an experiment and got the opposite result. Not very scientific, tho. They just got two girls, one fake and one natural into a pool, and "observed"...
Deep Freeze wrote:
According to the show MANswers, fakes sink. Real ones float! (Fat content) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, gotta run. Dinner time!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, then. Plusses and minuses / fake vs. real. Plus for fake, they can always be used as a flotation device in case of a water landing. Minus for real, you might trip over them and break your neck falling down the stairs.
Mikey needs to be exterminated. The was he destroyed John Lennons masterpiece "Come together" is just a fucking sacrilege. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:57:22 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am NOT kidding, man!! You should have SEEN this!! These people were NOT little, bubble-gum kids!! These were late twenties-early thirties MEN AND WOMEN!!! My GOD!!!!!!!!!! Where the hell is NECRO????? He needs to get on his bike and ride directly THROUGH this crowd!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
I could have lived a long and happy life never hearing his name again. well, perhaps not, but that just adds to the misery.
Deep Freeze wrote:
TEN freakin minutes ago!! LIVE in London, Michael Jackson announces his FINAL concerts for the UK.... MICHAEL JACKSON???? Did any of you SEE this?? The place was friggin PACKED with these morons with sideways hats screaming for Mikey the Molester!!!! YE GODS!!!! What the hell is WRONG with you Brits?????? Wait, I know..this is retaliation for Britney Spears!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done!
HAAAAA!!!! A SWAN!!?? I would guess a log to be more accurate were he to actually float. A bewitched log at that.
My money is still on him dropping like a stone off my diving board. Granted, I have no children so should not expect to have my children's children affected much but, hey, I just want to kick the guy into my pool for a laugh (er, um...I mean "experiment")! I may or may not take off the pool cover.
_strat_ wrote:
Now, now, no more about bets. This is a serious scientific experiment.
The duck possibility has to be considered. Also, he could be a swan, or just a log. In any case, we have to take into consideration his overall body density, and compare it to that of water, because that determines wheter or not he will float. But, enough theory, we need to try it out for real. He wont like it, Im sure, but hey... Sacrifices are neccesary when it comes to such scientific breakthroughs as this one. The future of our children, and our childrens children may well depend on wheter Freeze will float or sink.
guidogodoy wrote:
You're on!
Of course you realize that if he were to float it also could mean he was a duck.....LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I see. Innocent = sink. Not innocent = float. I have 20€ that say he will float.
And I cant wait till he gets on here and sees this conversation.
guidogodoy wrote:
It would be like testing to see if he is a witch! He doesn't float then he goes to the Hereafter with the peace of mind knowing he was innocent!
...and that he should have considered fake boobs. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:40:05 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I think that the phrase youre looking for is "big guhrlie man!!!" spoken in a thick Austrian accent...
Let's kick HIM in my pool to see if he floats! HAAAAAAA!!!! (oh wait, this probably deviates a bit from the original experiment...)
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. So youre saying that women have more fat than men? Cool with me... But some members will probably want to scratch your eyes out.
Oh, and I could always get really fat, and get man-boobs.
guidogodoy wrote:
Do you have man-boobs?
I think your idea would give skewed results anyway. Wouldn't work with men who tend to have a lower overall body-fat index. Muscle simply weighs more than fat.
Don't know about you but my head alone would ruin the results.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok. You get them implants, and we`ll go swimming. HB will be the independant expert, who will determine who floats better.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think we should conduct our own "independent" study.
Now then....volunteers? (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37:17 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Really? I saw another show (Brainiac, I think) where they did an experiment and got the opposite result. Not very scientific, tho. They just got two girls, one fake and one natural into a pool, and "observed"...
Deep Freeze wrote:
According to the show MANswers, fakes sink. Real ones float! (Fat content) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, gotta run. Dinner time!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, then. Plusses and minuses / fake vs. real. Plus for fake, they can always be used as a flotation device in case of a water landing. Minus for real, you might trip over them and break your neck falling down the stairs.
Now, now, no more about bets. This is a serious scientific experiment.
The duck possibility has to be considered. Also, he could be a swan, or just a log. In any case, we have to take into consideration his overall body density, and compare it to that of water, because that determines wheter or not he will float. But, enough theory, we need to try it out for real. He wont like it, Im sure, but hey... Sacrifices are neccesary when it comes to such scientific breakthroughs as this one. The future of our children, and our childrens children may well depend on wheter Freeze will float or sink. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:57:33 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
You're on!
Of course you realize that if he were to float it also could mean he was a duck.....LOL!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I see. Innocent = sink. Not innocent = float. I have 20€ that say he will float.
And I cant wait till he gets on here and sees this conversation.
guidogodoy wrote:
It would be like testing to see if he is a witch! He doesn't float then he goes to the Hereafter with the peace of mind knowing he was innocent!
...and that he should have considered fake boobs. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:40:05 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I think that the phrase youre looking for is "big guhrlie man!!!" spoken in a thick Austrian accent...
Let's kick HIM in my pool to see if he floats! HAAAAAAA!!!! (oh wait, this probably deviates a bit from the original experiment...)
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. So youre saying that women have more fat than men? Cool with me... But some members will probably want to scratch your eyes out.
Oh, and I could always get really fat, and get man-boobs.
guidogodoy wrote:
Do you have man-boobs?
I think your idea would give skewed results anyway. Wouldn't work with men who tend to have a lower overall body-fat index. Muscle simply weighs more than fat.
Don't know about you but my head alone would ruin the results.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok. You get them implants, and we`ll go swimming. HB will be the independant expert, who will determine who floats better.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think we should conduct our own "independent" study.
Now then....volunteers? (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37:17 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Really? I saw another show (Brainiac, I think) where they did an experiment and got the opposite result. Not very scientific, tho. They just got two girls, one fake and one natural into a pool, and "observed"...
Deep Freeze wrote:
According to the show MANswers, fakes sink. Real ones float! (Fat content) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, gotta run. Dinner time!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, then. Plusses and minuses / fake vs. real. Plus for fake, they can always be used as a flotation device in case of a water landing. Minus for real, you might trip over them and break your neck falling down the stairs.
I see. Innocent = sink. Not innocent = float. I have 20€ that say he will float.
And I cant wait till he gets on here and sees this conversation. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:45:26 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
It would be like testing to see if he is a witch! He doesn't float then he goes to the Hereafter with the peace of mind knowing he was innocent!
...and that he should have considered fake boobs. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 3:40:05 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I think that the phrase youre looking for is "big guhrlie man!!!" spoken in a thick Austrian accent...
Let's kick HIM in my pool to see if he floats! HAAAAAAA!!!! (oh wait, this probably deviates a bit from the original experiment...)
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. So youre saying that women have more fat than men? Cool with me... But some members will probably want to scratch your eyes out.
Oh, and I could always get really fat, and get man-boobs.
guidogodoy wrote:
Do you have man-boobs?
I think your idea would give skewed results anyway. Wouldn't work with men who tend to have a lower overall body-fat index. Muscle simply weighs more than fat.
Don't know about you but my head alone would ruin the results.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok. You get them implants, and we`ll go swimming. HB will be the independant expert, who will determine who floats better.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think we should conduct our own "independent" study.
Now then....volunteers? (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37:17 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Really? I saw another show (Brainiac, I think) where they did an experiment and got the opposite result. Not very scientific, tho. They just got two girls, one fake and one natural into a pool, and "observed"...
Deep Freeze wrote:
According to the show MANswers, fakes sink. Real ones float! (Fat content) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, gotta run. Dinner time!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, then. Plusses and minuses / fake vs. real. Plus for fake, they can always be used as a flotation device in case of a water landing. Minus for real, you might trip over them and break your neck falling down the stairs.
Let's kick HIM in my pool to see if he floats! HAAAAAAA!!!! (oh wait, this probably deviates a bit from the original experiment...)
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. So youre saying that women have more fat than men? Cool with me... But some members will probably want to scratch your eyes out.
Oh, and I could always get really fat, and get man-boobs.
guidogodoy wrote:
Do you have man-boobs?
I think your idea would give skewed results anyway. Wouldn't work with men who tend to have a lower overall body-fat index. Muscle simply weighs more than fat.
Don't know about you but my head alone would ruin the results.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok. You get them implants, and we`ll go swimming. HB will be the independant expert, who will determine who floats better.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think we should conduct our own "independent" study.
Now then....volunteers? (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37:17 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Really? I saw another show (Brainiac, I think) where they did an experiment and got the opposite result. Not very scientific, tho. They just got two girls, one fake and one natural into a pool, and "observed"...
Deep Freeze wrote:
According to the show MANswers, fakes sink. Real ones float! (Fat content) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, gotta run. Dinner time!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, then. Plusses and minuses / fake vs. real. Plus for fake, they can always be used as a flotation device in case of a water landing. Minus for real, you might trip over them and break your neck falling down the stairs.
Aha. So youre saying that women have more fat than men? Cool with me... But some members will probably want to scratch your eyes out.
Oh, and I could always get really fat, and get man-boobs. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:42:39 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Do you have man-boobs?
I think your idea would give skewed results anyway. Wouldn't work with men who tend to have a lower overall body-fat index. Muscle simply weighs more than fat.
Don't know about you but my head alone would ruin the results.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok. You get them implants, and we`ll go swimming. HB will be the independant expert, who will determine who floats better.
guidogodoy wrote:
I think we should conduct our own "independent" study.
Now then....volunteers? (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37:17 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Really? I saw another show (Brainiac, I think) where they did an experiment and got the opposite result. Not very scientific, tho. They just got two girls, one fake and one natural into a pool, and "observed"...
Deep Freeze wrote:
According to the show MANswers, fakes sink. Real ones float! (Fat content) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, gotta run. Dinner time!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, then. Plusses and minuses / fake vs. real. Plus for fake, they can always be used as a flotation device in case of a water landing. Minus for real, you might trip over them and break your neck falling down the stairs.
Ok. You get them implants, and we`ll go swimming. HB will be the independant expert, who will determine who floats better. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, March 05, 2009 2:12:51 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I think we should conduct our own "independent" study.
Now then....volunteers? (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:37:17 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Really? I saw another show (Brainiac, I think) where they did an experiment and got the opposite result. Not very scientific, tho. They just got two girls, one fake and one natural into a pool, and "observed"...
Deep Freeze wrote:
According to the show MANswers, fakes sink. Real ones float! (Fat content) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, gotta run. Dinner time!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, then. Plusses and minuses / fake vs. real. Plus for fake, they can always be used as a flotation device in case of a water landing. Minus for real, you might trip over them and break your neck falling down the stairs.
Really? I saw another show (Brainiac, I think) where they did an experiment and got the opposite result. Not very scientific, tho. They just got two girls, one fake and one natural into a pool, and "observed"... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 04, 2009 6:13:51 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
According to the show MANswers, fakes sink. Real ones float! (Fat content) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, gotta run. Dinner time!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ok, then. Plusses and minuses / fake vs. real. Plus for fake, they can always be used as a flotation device in case of a water landing. Minus for real, you might trip over them and break your neck falling down the stairs.
Is not true! Stratistan economy strongest in world! We just opened a new facility for inserting little haselnuts inside chocolate bars. Now we make takeover of you! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:30:57 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Dow Kmac right now is at -1... not great but not as bad as other kingdoms. And no, its not for sale.
_strat_ wrote:
Kmacia in a reccesion? How is Dow Kmac doing?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
These are harsh economic times for the kingdom, fellow friend. It was the best idea we had at our disposal that was within our budget.
TIMBONI wrote:
It must have taken many a can to expel such an attack. Chemical warfare is so banal !
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yes, I did...thank you.
Thank goodness the plague is gone. Nothing a little magic spray can couldn't fix!
TIMBONI wrote:
Lady Vail ! Did you get my belated birthday wishes ? Sorry for my absence. Upon my return to the kingdom, I was warned against my return due to a plague that had infested the kingdom. It was not until it's irradication that I could take my post again.
You really did it? A pro government stance? First Freeze, now you... Next thing will be me saying that capitalism isnt so bad after all...
And sex isnt something I would rally against, if thats what you mean. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:16:29 PM)
Head banger wrote:
LOL and a govt dept in charge of sex might be worse than the hells angels. I just proposed a pro govt stance. what is the world coming too? sure, there would always be a few that get around the issue, but the majority would be in the red light district, or a govt whore house. I would name it the Govt whorehouse of (whatevertown). said whorehouse or red light district would be beter for the girls than working dark streets in some warehouse district.
Strat, I see. think it might be that it is harder to cure. we always need a cause to rally against
Bev wrote:
Sounds reasonable. There would still be some, in it for the thrill of the chase, that would prolly find a way around the system; and, there is that distasteful element requiring the creation of yet another governmental entity (no pun intended-lol). Never a perfect world, but a step in the right direction. imo
Head banger wrote:
your sugesting aids is a more popular cure than the others?
Bev, your right. not to mention all the efforts to reduce prostitution, to move it to a more paletable area, to control it. what about this. legalize it, licence it, test for aids (and other things) and make them pay taxes. if you eliminate the criminal aspect, you eliminate most of the problems, and create a revenue stream for the govt.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe its because of the solutions? I mean, the solution to famine is more food. The solution to war is somehow achieving peace. Thats fine. Solution to AIDS... No sex?
Head banger wrote:
its all about what is popular, it has nothing to do with actualy saving anyone, just popularity. kids raise money. it causes fear.
look at the fund raising to treat aids in africa. huge. you would think it was the number one killer there. nope. rising at a rate it will be. nope. Malaria kills more people in africa than Aids. Famine and war are also ahead. but, which gets more funding?
we need a feel good cause, and a fear cause. children are the feel good, there are a host of fear causes. global warming, cancer, aids....
Deep Freeze wrote:
My apologies upfront to the liberal, tree-hugging bleeding hearts among us (you know who you are) but this is what is (again) PISSING me Off!!!;
I just saw yet another commercial on television for one of those "feed the poor children of Africa" organizations. You know the ones..some grim faced, nearly weeping woman or a guy with glasses and a scraggly, grey beard is in front of the camera going on about how these poor, helpless kids are suffering and don't know where their next meal is coming from and need YOUR help now. WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!
To begin with, why is it that children are so friggin special?? What is it with people that makes them consider children a more important form of human life than adults???? Why should I consider a child's life more valuable or more significant than, say, a twenty-six year old girl in Bolivia that has to prostitute herself to feed her seven illegitimate kids and four grandparents??? Where is the organization for them?? And what about the drug lord that has been devastated by the "War on Drugs" and had his cartel nearly dismantled and cannot pay for his wife's lipo and his hooker's apartment?? Why are they left out of all this??? WHERE IS THE EQUITY????
Every country has poverty. Worse yet, there are literally millions and millions of suffering children AND adults all over the world that have it rough. Who is the guy (or gal) that decides what form of suffering is more signifcant than the other??????????
No, Im suggesting that the solution to the AIDS problem is less pleasant than solutions to other problems.
As for prostitution, I agree. I think that the Dutch have it the right way. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 04, 2009 4:05:03 PM)
Head banger wrote:
your sugesting aids is a more popular cure than the others?
Bev, your right. not to mention all the efforts to reduce prostitution, to move it to a more paletable area, to control it. what about this. legalize it, licence it, test for aids (and other things) and make them pay taxes. if you eliminate the criminal aspect, you eliminate most of the problems, and create a revenue stream for the govt.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe its because of the solutions? I mean, the solution to famine is more food. The solution to war is somehow achieving peace. Thats fine. Solution to AIDS... No sex?
Head banger wrote:
its all about what is popular, it has nothing to do with actualy saving anyone, just popularity. kids raise money. it causes fear.
look at the fund raising to treat aids in africa. huge. you would think it was the number one killer there. nope. rising at a rate it will be. nope. Malaria kills more people in africa than Aids. Famine and war are also ahead. but, which gets more funding?
we need a feel good cause, and a fear cause. children are the feel good, there are a host of fear causes. global warming, cancer, aids....
Deep Freeze wrote:
My apologies upfront to the liberal, tree-hugging bleeding hearts among us (you know who you are) but this is what is (again) PISSING me Off!!!;
I just saw yet another commercial on television for one of those "feed the poor children of Africa" organizations. You know the ones..some grim faced, nearly weeping woman or a guy with glasses and a scraggly, grey beard is in front of the camera going on about how these poor, helpless kids are suffering and don't know where their next meal is coming from and need YOUR help now. WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!
To begin with, why is it that children are so friggin special?? What is it with people that makes them consider children a more important form of human life than adults???? Why should I consider a child's life more valuable or more significant than, say, a twenty-six year old girl in Bolivia that has to prostitute herself to feed her seven illegitimate kids and four grandparents??? Where is the organization for them?? And what about the drug lord that has been devastated by the "War on Drugs" and had his cartel nearly dismantled and cannot pay for his wife's lipo and his hooker's apartment?? Why are they left out of all this??? WHERE IS THE EQUITY????
Every country has poverty. Worse yet, there are literally millions and millions of suffering children AND adults all over the world that have it rough. Who is the guy (or gal) that decides what form of suffering is more signifcant than the other??????????
Freeze, George Carlin just called from up there (yes, there is "up there" and hes feeling like a total jerk). He wants his royalties, or else Joe Pesci will come round your place with a baseball bat. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, March 04, 2009 11:32:34 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
My apologies upfront to the liberal, tree-hugging bleeding hearts among us (you know who you are) but this is what is (again) PISSING me Off!!!;
I just saw yet another commercial on television for one of those "feed the poor children of Africa" organizations. You know the ones..some grim faced, nearly weeping woman or a guy with glasses and a scraggly, grey beard is in front of the camera going on about how these poor, helpless kids are suffering and don't know where their next meal is coming from and need YOUR help now. WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!
To begin with, why is it that children are so friggin special?? What is it with people that makes them consider children a more important form of human life than adults???? Why should I consider a child's life more valuable or more significant than, say, a twenty-six year old girl in Bolivia that has to prostitute herself to feed her seven illegitimate kids and four grandparents??? Where is the organization for them?? And what about the drug lord that has been devastated by the "War on Drugs" and had his cartel nearly dismantled and cannot pay for his wife's lipo and his hooker's apartment?? Why are they left out of all this??? WHERE IS THE EQUITY????
Every country has poverty. Worse yet, there are literally millions and millions of suffering children AND adults all over the world that have it rough. Who is the guy (or gal) that decides what form of suffering is more signifcant than the other??????????
Maybe its because of the solutions? I mean, the solution to famine is more food. The solution to war is somehow achieving peace. Thats fine. Solution to AIDS... No sex? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, March 04, 2009 2:31:49 PM)
Head banger wrote:
its all about what is popular, it has nothing to do with actualy saving anyone, just popularity. kids raise money. it causes fear.
look at the fund raising to treat aids in africa. huge. you would think it was the number one killer there. nope. rising at a rate it will be. nope. Malaria kills more people in africa than Aids. Famine and war are also ahead. but, which gets more funding?
we need a feel good cause, and a fear cause. children are the feel good, there are a host of fear causes. global warming, cancer, aids....
Deep Freeze wrote:
My apologies upfront to the liberal, tree-hugging bleeding hearts among us (you know who you are) but this is what is (again) PISSING me Off!!!;
I just saw yet another commercial on television for one of those "feed the poor children of Africa" organizations. You know the ones..some grim faced, nearly weeping woman or a guy with glasses and a scraggly, grey beard is in front of the camera going on about how these poor, helpless kids are suffering and don't know where their next meal is coming from and need YOUR help now. WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!
To begin with, why is it that children are so friggin special?? What is it with people that makes them consider children a more important form of human life than adults???? Why should I consider a child's life more valuable or more significant than, say, a twenty-six year old girl in Bolivia that has to prostitute herself to feed her seven illegitimate kids and four grandparents??? Where is the organization for them?? And what about the drug lord that has been devastated by the "War on Drugs" and had his cartel nearly dismantled and cannot pay for his wife's lipo and his hooker's apartment?? Why are they left out of all this??? WHERE IS THE EQUITY????
Every country has poverty. Worse yet, there are literally millions and millions of suffering children AND adults all over the world that have it rough. Who is the guy (or gal) that decides what form of suffering is more signifcant than the other??????????
These are harsh economic times for the kingdom, fellow friend. It was the best idea we had at our disposal that was within our budget.
TIMBONI wrote:
It must have taken many a can to expel such an attack. Chemical warfare is so banal !
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yes, I did...thank you.
Thank goodness the plague is gone. Nothing a little magic spray can couldn't fix!
TIMBONI wrote:
Lady Vail ! Did you get my belated birthday wishes ? Sorry for my absence. Upon my return to the kingdom, I was warned against my return due to a plague that had infested the kingdom. It was not until it's irradication that I could take my post again.
Good luck with that. They will do what they always did. Pick the first thread on the list. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:56:29 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Michael! I think this is a wonderful idea. I really do! At last, a place where all can chat and ask questions. Good for you, my friend.
Now, if you can just get these nimrods that create a Thread to ask a freakin question to post here, it will be a complete success!! Well done!
Damit, havent noticed Freezes reaction. Im going to the bank first thing in the morning to cash in all my savings, use them to buy basic neccesities, and then Im going to hide in a nuclear explosion-proof shelter. The world as we know it is obviously at an end.
Oh, and you get "�" (if thats what you mean) by pressinf alt gr - 2, and then n. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:00:37 PM)
Bev wrote:
I will pass into the next life a contented member of JP.com - Freeze approves of a new thread!
I remember what it was like when I first began posting. It seemed to take forever to be welcomed into the fold. The climate has shifted, and for the better. Still have the occasional El Nino (sorry, forgot how to put the tilde over the "n") storm through ... what's a family without a little insanity, eh?! - lol
Welcome to all newcomers
Deep Freeze wrote:
Michael! I think this is a wonderful idea. I really do! At last, a place where all can chat and ask questions. Good for you, my friend.
Now, if you can just get these nimrods that create a Thread to ask a freakin question to post here, it will be a complete success!! Well done!
You forgot to mention that half his nose was choped away on the Blackwater.
But then again, the last we heard from his sister, she was in prison, while Tyrion escaped to the Free cities. Id rather be Tyrion, thank you.
Welcome to the club, Fantasy Geek! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kiamat from Saturday, February 28, 2009 4:54:30 AM)
kiamat wrote:
As I recall, didn't Tyrion get burnt half to death in the battle of The Blackwater, then have to flee the country when his sister put a price on his head?
A little??? It looks like something from Conservapedia!
In any case, politicians could (and some actualy do) think, but much of that stuff is arbitrary - some may decide something is good, some may not. We would still be at the same problem. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 27, 2009 7:17:31 AM)
Head banger wrote:
well... on that list (thought it might be biased a little) it says that all the right wing stuff is good.
the real solution is for policians (because lets face it, they dont care what we think) to actualy think, and do the right thing.
good luck with that one.
Bev wrote:
Well, there you have it. There is something fundamentally wrong with being either one or the other. It makes more sense to apply combinations of either dependent upon the circumstance. Now that the problem has been identified, what's the solution.
Head banger wrote:
The Right-Left Political Matrix
Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM
The Political Left Believes:
-That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests;
-In the primacy of the collective over the individual;
-That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state;
-That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others);
-That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all;
-That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen;
-That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives);
-That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals;
-That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state;
-That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior;
-That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable;
-That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages;
-That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs);
-That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil;
-That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another.
The Political Right Believes:
-That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests;
-That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society;
-That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law;
-That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it;
-That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property;
-That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility;
-That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken;
-That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined;
-That the best government is that which governs least;
-That individuals are accountable for their own actions;
-That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute;
-That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources;
-That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours);
-That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior;
-That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally.
***
This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.
Oh, well... I guess ill never learn, eh? In any case, I know ONE leftwinger who will become a murderer, if rightwingers keep on winding him up... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 27, 2009 7:16:06 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I knew that. my leftwingers are the only killers was a joke
_strat_ wrote:
No, lol, oj is a typo, when my finger was looking for the "k" but found "j" instead. The guy OJ may be a killer, but he is funny as hell too.
Killing people does mean that they are deprieved of rights... But killing people is not restricted to leftists. Hitler was a far-right winger, killed millions. So did the right winged Catholic church + the eastern Orthodox churches who killed a whole lotta people, and ruled Europe through an oppresive feudalist system that lasted for over a millenium. So much for freedom.
In any case, I would say that the only conclusion that makes sense is that politics and ideologies are far to complicated to be simply divided into "left vs. right". State vs. anti-State is another matter that was divided into the left -right labels there. Marxists and anarchists are both left wing ideologies and both strive for a stateless, classless society. How much more anti-state can you get? And how about the right winger Franco, who ruled Spain with an iron hand from 1930s to 70s?
And I do wonder what gay rights activists must think of the idea of "freedom loving rightwingers".
Head banger wrote:
oj is a old football player who killed people, killing people means he deprived them of rights, so is a leftist.
that said, this is the truth.
_strat_ wrote:
Oj, just to make sure... Is this serious or is it a joke? In any case, its an epic fail.
Head banger wrote:
The Right-Left Political Matrix
Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM
The Political Left Believes:
-That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests;
-In the primacy of the collective over the individual;
-That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state;
-That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others);
-That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all;
-That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen;
-That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives);
-That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals;
-That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state;
-That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior;
-That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable;
-That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages;
-That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs);
-That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil;
-That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another.
The Political Right Believes:
-That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests;
-That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society;
-That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law;
-That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it;
-That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property;
-That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility;
-That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken;
-That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined;
-That the best government is that which governs least;
-That individuals are accountable for their own actions;
-That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute;
-That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources;
-That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours);
-That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior;
-That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally.
***
This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.
I have never seen Meltdown, but I think he bears a strong resemblance to Udo Dirckshcieder from Accept or however you spell his last name.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
LMAO It looks like Meltdown a little,,,,LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Well, what can I do? Im just a sneaky little bastard.
kiamat wrote:
Strat-
You claim to be evil incarnate- yet you take orders from the devil? All that is ever going to make you is a henchman. Don't aim so low! There lies evil in the hearts of men that a fallen angel could never dream of....
No, lol, oj is a typo, when my finger was looking for the "k" but found "j" instead. The guy OJ may be a killer, but he is funny as hell too.
Killing people does mean that they are deprieved of rights... But killing people is not restricted to leftists. Hitler was a far-right winger, killed millions. So did the right winged Catholic church + the eastern Orthodox churches who killed a whole lotta people, and ruled Europe through an oppresive feudalist system that lasted for over a millenium. So much for freedom.
In any case, I would say that the only conclusion that makes sense is that politics and ideologies are far to complicated to be simply divided into "left vs. right". State vs. anti-State is another matter that was divided into the left -right labels there. Marxists and anarchists are both left wing ideologies and both strive for a stateless, classless society. How much more anti-state can you get? And how about the right winger Franco, who ruled Spain with an iron hand from 1930s to 70s?
And I do wonder what gay rights activists must think of the idea of "freedom loving rightwingers". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:25:43 PM)
Head banger wrote:
oj is a old football player who killed people, killing people means he deprived them of rights, so is a leftist.
that said, this is the truth.
_strat_ wrote:
Oj, just to make sure... Is this serious or is it a joke? In any case, its an epic fail.
Head banger wrote:
The Right-Left Political Matrix
Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM
The Political Left Believes:
-That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests;
-In the primacy of the collective over the individual;
-That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state;
-That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others);
-That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all;
-That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen;
-That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives);
-That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals;
-That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state;
-That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior;
-That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable;
-That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages;
-That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs);
-That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil;
-That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another.
The Political Right Believes:
-That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests;
-That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society;
-That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law;
-That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it;
-That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property;
-That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility;
-That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken;
-That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined;
-That the best government is that which governs least;
-That individuals are accountable for their own actions;
-That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute;
-That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources;
-That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours);
-That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior;
-That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally.
***
This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.
Actualy, that is Tyrion Lannister, a character from George R.R. Martins fantasy series A song of Ice and Fire... And the reason why I posted his pic is that he is a very devious little character. Dwarf, ugly as hell, but has a lot of wit, and he is really smart, so he gets out of most shit with the best result, while other, more appealing characters get killed, maimed, or have any other terrible thing done to them.
Tyrions the best! And no, I didnt sing for Accept... I played the guitar!
You claim to be evil incarnate- yet you take orders from the devil? All that is ever going to make you is a henchman. Don't aim so low! There lies evil in the hearts of men that a fallen angel could never dream of....
Oj, just to make sure... Is this serious or is it a joke? In any case, its an epic fail. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 26, 2009 4:50:54 PM)
Head banger wrote:
The Right-Left Political Matrix
Posted 2/24/2009 12:00:00 AM
The Political Left Believes:
-That the state knows better than its citizens what is in their best interests;
-In the primacy of the collective over the individual;
-That individual human lives can, and if necessary, must, be sacrificed for the “greater good” as defined by the state;
-That equality is more important than freedom (and that in the prologue to the perfect state, some individuals will be more equal than others);
-That political freedom is a myth, that law is useful only in so far as it advances the interests of the state, that private property is theft, and that public ownership of the means of production is the only way to ensure economic prosperity and equality for all;
-That the only freedom worthy of pursuit (by the state) is the freedom from physical wants for every citizen;
-That in the pursuit of economic progress (as defined by the state), the state is justified in using any measure to attain its goals (whatever its impact on individual welfare or individual lives);
-That the state should actively intervene in all spheres of life in pursuit of state-determined social and economic goals;
-That all economic and political activity should be controlled by the state;
-That social and environmental factors are the prime determinants of individual behavior;
-That truth and morality never were and can never be absolute, except in so far and for so long as they serve the interests of the state; otherwise, they are infinitely malleable;
-That the state is better suited to allocating scarce resources than the free market, including making decisions as to aggregate production and consumption and the setting of prices and wages;
-That the state has the first claim to its citizens’ income and wealth (i.e. what’s yours is theirs);
-That money (in private hands) is the root of all evil;
-That radical, revolutionary and, if necessary, brutally violent change is often the only way to transition from one political, social and/or economic system to another.
The Political Right Believes:
-That individuals can be trusted to act in their own best interests;
-That the individual is, and individual rights are, the cornerstone of civilized society;
-That every human life has value and merits equal protection under the law;
-That the measure of a civilized society is the degree of freedom accorded every individual within it;
-That political and economic freedom are predicated on the rule of law and the right to private property;
-That individual freedoms must include freedom of speech and expression (including freedom of the press), religion, assembly and mobility;
-That the surest path to economic progress is freedom of opportunity and the right of individuals to capture the rewards flowing from the risks they have taken;
-That pro-active discrimination by the state is rarely, if ever, justified in the interests of social and economic justice, however defined;
-That the best government is that which governs least;
-That individuals are accountable for their own actions;
-That truth has an objective basis and that moral principles are absolute;
-That, in most circumstances, the free market is the best mechanism for allocating scarce resources;
-That your income and wealth belong to you and that you are the best judge of how they should be invested or spent (i.e. what’s yours is yours);
-That profit is the just reward for economically and socially beneficial behavior;
-That social, political and economic change is best undertaken incrementally.
***
This left-right matrix was provided by a great friend of the program, VOLYA, which means Will and Liberty in both Russian and Ukrainian.
Actualy, its his entire skeleton, but I accept the answer. Correct. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by METALMANJP from Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:31:37 AM)
METALMANJP wrote:
THE SKULL OF PAC MAN ?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, can anyone guess what this is... Or, rather to whom it belongs?
Well, Ive heard of "taking it all off", but this is just ridiculous... What are you going to take off? Your rib cage?
Let me say this, Lucifer is NOT impressed. And that is not good. Seriously, you may want to consider putting that jacket back on. At least that looks cool. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 11:31:38 AM)
guitardude wrote:
How about a Nude model instead??
_strat_ wrote:
What? So now you dont want to be our BBQ? Want to be our coathanger?
guitardude wrote:
You see, there you go again!!! Bring it on !!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, we will disasemble you and put you in a corner somewhere when were done with you...
guitardude wrote:
See how convenient I can be!!!! Bring some steaks also, may be some other guests coming!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aw, aint that cute... Ok, ok, ill tell the big D to let you be... For a while at least. You can come with me friday. Me and Lucifer want someone to grill up a couple of burgers... And you dont even need a grill!
guitardude wrote:
It`s more like getting me out of his misery. Not just anyone can claim that they torment the Devil. Since his plan for me back fired, he`s living proof that regret can and will eat you alive!!!
So , not being evil enough is no sweat, just as long as I can defeat anyone or anything he may throw at me!! And I`ve been successful thus far!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 23, 2009 11:32:20 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, and my soul is about as useless as my conscience. I sold both to the devil. He kinda liked them, tho, so now we play poker every friday. He has a lot to say about you, you know. "Well... Lets just say that we all have our bad days... Hes not what I wanted at all... Just not evil enough. I always wanted to take him out of his misery, but I dont have the heart to do it to the poor little thing..." Yup, thats what he said.
guitardude wrote
Think your soul is useless? Try being without it for a while!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, my soul? You can have that... The thing is bloody useless!
guitardude wrote:
All that is required for payment is your soul!! But since you did seem to ask nicely, I guess I`ll give you another chance, but I`ll still be watching you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. That ultimate price... Do you take credit cards, or just cash? Do I have to pay right now? You see, Im in a bit of a cash low crisis right now... Come on, be a good little skeleton, and just forget about it, eh?
guitardude wrote:
You just had to call me EMO, didn`t you?? I warned you about what might happen , prepare for the first of many assaults with the ultimate price being paid in the end by you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, looks like Im dealing with an EMO skeleton!
Now, now... Just dont cut your wrists!
guitardude wrote:
You know,... One of these days you`re really gonna hurt my feelings!! And after that, I won`t be accountable for my actions!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well said, Bones. Very nice. Now dance for your master!
Put your right leg in...
Put your right leg out...
Erm... Put on a dress and be a girl...
I must say, being dead sure isnt good for cleavege, eh?
guitardude wrote:
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
Edited at: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:20:22 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:25:51 PM Edited at: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:26:58 PM
Probably. Its not like its a nuisance or anything... Its kinda like the "members online" counter, thats been chronicaly wrong since I can remember. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 2:46:48 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Is it possible that because this is the back-up server, it's out of sync maybe?? It will probably go back to normal once the main server is back on line...
...good morning strat and DP and everyone else up at this godawful hour!!!
Havent watched the entire game, but I can say that Ronaldo had a great chance, and the yellow card that Rooney got was imo not fair. But that aside, heres hoping that ManU will kick their asses in Manchester.
What? So now you dont want to be our BBQ? Want to be our coathanger? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:23:21 PM)
guitardude wrote:
You see, there you go again!!! Bring it on !!!
_strat_ wrote:
You know, we will disasemble you and put you in a corner somewhere when were done with you...
guitardude wrote:
See how convenient I can be!!!! Bring some steaks also, may be some other guests coming!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aw, aint that cute... Ok, ok, ill tell the big D to let you be... For a while at least. You can come with me friday. Me and Lucifer want someone to grill up a couple of burgers... And you dont even need a grill!
guitardude wrote:
It`s more like getting me out of his misery. Not just anyone can claim that they torment the Devil. Since his plan for me back fired, he`s living proof that regret can and will eat you alive!!!
So , not being evil enough is no sweat, just as long as I can defeat anyone or anything he may throw at me!! And I`ve been successful thus far!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 23, 2009 11:32:20 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, and my soul is about as useless as my conscience. I sold both to the devil. He kinda liked them, tho, so now we play poker every friday. He has a lot to say about you, you know. "Well... Lets just say that we all have our bad days... Hes not what I wanted at all... Just not evil enough. I always wanted to take him out of his misery, but I dont have the heart to do it to the poor little thing..." Yup, thats what he said.
guitardude wrote
Think your soul is useless? Try being without it for a while!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, my soul? You can have that... The thing is bloody useless!
guitardude wrote:
All that is required for payment is your soul!! But since you did seem to ask nicely, I guess I`ll give you another chance, but I`ll still be watching you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. That ultimate price... Do you take credit cards, or just cash? Do I have to pay right now? You see, Im in a bit of a cash low crisis right now... Come on, be a good little skeleton, and just forget about it, eh?
guitardude wrote:
You just had to call me EMO, didn`t you?? I warned you about what might happen , prepare for the first of many assaults with the ultimate price being paid in the end by you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, looks like Im dealing with an EMO skeleton!
Now, now... Just dont cut your wrists!
guitardude wrote:
You know,... One of these days you`re really gonna hurt my feelings!! And after that, I won`t be accountable for my actions!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well said, Bones. Very nice. Now dance for your master!
Put your right leg in...
Put your right leg out...
Erm... Put on a dress and be a girl...
I must say, being dead sure isnt good for cleavege, eh?
guitardude wrote:
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
Edited at: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:20:22 PM
Edited at: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:25:51 PM Edited at: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:26:58 PM
Just noticed another thing: when outside the thread it says that the last post in the Blah thread (the one I posted just now) was at 3:20 (which would be correct). But inside the thread, above my post it says 1:21... Its all screwed up. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, February 25, 2009 1:21:06 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Here too. Its showing 01:18 right now. GMT is worse, its showing 7:18 GMT now, although it must be over 11 in the GMT zone right now. That is if Im right and GMT stands for the time zone in Britain.
The noticeboard in general has been slow in the past few days, at least with me.
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup. Two hours difference here too. 21:45 under email.
I also notice that it takes FOREVER now to get into PMs. Always was slow, now it pretty much times out before it lets you (me?) in with a timeout message.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Okay, general question to everybody here:
What does the time appearing under your email address say? Are they the same? Mine right now says 21:40 (9:00 P.M.), yet the "last post" category says it's around 11:00 P.M. (23:00), which is something that never occured before the Noticeboard was offline. Both clocks used to have the same hour until now.
Here too. Its showing 01:18 right now. GMT is worse, its showing 7:18 GMT now, although it must be over 11 in the GMT zone right now. That is if Im right and GMT stands for the time zone in Britain.
The noticeboard in general has been slow in the past few days, at least with me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:47:44 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Yup. Two hours difference here too. 21:45 under email.
I also notice that it takes FOREVER now to get into PMs. Always was slow, now it pretty much times out before it lets you (me?) in with a timeout message.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Okay, general question to everybody here:
What does the time appearing under your email address say? Are they the same? Mine right now says 21:40 (9:00 P.M.), yet the "last post" category says it's around 11:00 P.M. (23:00), which is something that never occured before the Noticeboard was offline. Both clocks used to have the same hour until now.
A veteran, eh? Well, its "only" been a year and a half since I came along... I cant say for what was happening before it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:32:56 PM)
Head banger wrote:
hey now. I have been a member since 2003
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Head Banger - Trying to be funny since 2006... And he still hasnt found out how.
Head banger wrote:
socialism, ruining life for everyone, since 1917
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, but you cant have them... My comrade on your hard disk says no...
Head banger wrote:
damn, now I am hungry
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!! Well, there you have it - a wealth redestribution anti-virus program! Does it say "Virus purged succesfully" when it removes one?
Anyway, here they are... The REAL stuff! Not that funny American stuff with a hole in the middle...
Head banger wrote:
probably the program is a socialist and felt I didnt need it. either way, I want a doughnut!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Apparently, your anti-virus ate it!
Oh, and Darth, doughnut for a pancake - deal?
Head banger wrote:
apparently my anti virus blocked it!
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. I will email it to you, as an attachment.
Head banger wrote:
how can we all go wrong with a tuesday. united we can kick its ass.
You know, we will disasemble you and put you in a corner somewhere when were done with you... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 10:44:03 AM)
guitardude wrote:
See how convenient I can be!!!! Bring some steaks also, may be some other guests coming!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aw, aint that cute... Ok, ok, ill tell the big D to let you be... For a while at least. You can come with me friday. Me and Lucifer want someone to grill up a couple of burgers... And you dont even need a grill!
guitardude wrote:
It`s more like getting me out of his misery. Not just anyone can claim that they torment the Devil. Since his plan for me back fired, he`s living proof that regret can and will eat you alive!!!
So , not being evil enough is no sweat, just as long as I can defeat anyone or anything he may throw at me!! And I`ve been successful thus far!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 23, 2009 11:32:20 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, and my soul is about as useless as my conscience. I sold both to the devil. He kinda liked them, tho, so now we play poker every friday. He has a lot to say about you, you know. "Well... Lets just say that we all have our bad days... Hes not what I wanted at all... Just not evil enough. I always wanted to take him out of his misery, but I dont have the heart to do it to the poor little thing..." Yup, thats what he said.
guitardude wrote:
Think your soul is useless? Try being without it for a while!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, my soul? You can have that... The thing is bloody useless!
guitardude wrote:
All that is required for payment is your soul!! But since you did seem to ask nicely, I guess I`ll give you another chance, but I`ll still be watching you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. That ultimate price... Do you take credit cards, or just cash? Do I have to pay right now? You see, Im in a bit of a cash low crisis right now... Come on, be a good little skeleton, and just forget about it, eh?
guitardude wrote:
You just had to call me EMO, didn`t you?? I warned you about what might happen , prepare for the first of many assaults with the ultimate price being paid in the end by you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, looks like Im dealing with an EMO skeleton!
Now, now... Just dont cut your wrists!
guitardude wrote:
You know,... One of these days you`re really gonna hurt my feelings!! And after that, I won`t be accountable for my actions!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well said, Bones. Very nice. Now dance for your master!
Put your right leg in...
Put your right leg out...
Erm... Put on a dress and be a girl...
I must say, being dead sure isnt good for cleavege, eh?
guitardude wrote:
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
Lol... Head Banger - Trying to be funny since 2006... And he still hasnt found out how. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 9:22:31 AM)
Head banger wrote:
socialism, ruining life for everyone, since 1917
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, but you cant have them... My comrade on your hard disk says no...
Head banger wrote:
damn, now I am hungry
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!! Well, there you have it - a wealth redestribution anti-virus program! Does it say "Virus purged succesfully" when it removes one?
Anyway, here they are... The REAL stuff! Not that funny American stuff with a hole in the middle...
Head banger wrote:
probably the program is a socialist and felt I didnt need it. either way, I want a doughnut!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Apparently, your anti-virus ate it!
Oh, and Darth, doughnut for a pancake - deal?
Head banger wrote:
apparently my anti virus blocked it!
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. I will email it to you, as an attachment.
Head banger wrote:
how can we all go wrong with a tuesday. united we can kick its ass.
Yeah, but you cant have them... My comrade on your hard disk says no... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:56:01 AM)
Head banger wrote:
damn, now I am hungry
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!! Well, there you have it - a wealth redestribution anti-virus program! Does it say "Virus purged succesfully" when it removes one?
Anyway, here they are... The REAL stuff! Not that funny American stuff with a hole in the middle...
Head banger wrote:
probably the program is a socialist and felt I didnt need it. either way, I want a doughnut!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Apparently, your anti-virus ate it!
Oh, and Darth, doughnut for a pancake - deal?
Head banger wrote:
apparently my anti virus blocked it!
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. I will email it to you, as an attachment.
Head banger wrote:
how can we all go wrong with a tuesday. united we can kick its ass.
ooops... I checked out that page, and they withdrew the info (lack of "evidence" as they say on the discussion page)...
But, if he has an open invite, then I think I just sorted out my holiday plans. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:24:05 AM)
Bev wrote:
Maybe Spa knows something I don't. I don't believe he's ever run a B&B out of Astbury. I've been wrong lately .. a lot, so don't count on my information as accurate - LOL He has an open invite to anyone who wants to go there. He's mentioned it in the Q&A at the SteelMill.
_strat_ wrote:
Wikipedia info, not sure if its true, but... Is that the house where KK runs a bed and breakfast, because he thinks its too big just for him?
spapad wrote:
OK, one last question. Who's home is this and what is the name of the home?
ronhartsell wrote:
Excellent tasnam1!!!...
tasnam1 wrote:
Stained Class
ronhartsell wrote:
COOL!!!
Take it easy Guido!!
Ok...here's one that may just be a little more difficult than my first offering...
...Which 'release' is the ONLY release in which ALL 5 members of the band contributed to the song writing??...
Becks wrote:
Correct you are Ron Originally aired in April of 1975, a few months prior to Robs 24th birthday in August.
Could be. It would fit in. I heard that they were considering "Reckless", which would, imo, be much better than Danger Zone... Dont know why they didnt take it, tho. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:17:26 AM)
Bev wrote:
hmmm...?? I thought Solar Angels was one of the songs selected for TopGun, too.
Wikipedia info, not sure if its true, but... Is that the house where KK runs a bed and breakfast, because he thinks its too big just for him? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, February 23, 2009 6:18:22 PM)
spapad wrote:
OK, one last question. Who's home is this and what is the name of the home?
ronhartsell wrote:
Excellent tasnam1!!!...
tasnam1 wrote:
Stained Class
ronhartsell wrote:
COOL!!!
Take it easy Guido!!
Ok...here's one that may just be a little more difficult than my first offering...
...Which 'release' is the ONLY release in which ALL 5 members of the band contributed to the song writing??...
Becks wrote:
Correct you are Ron Originally aired in April of 1975, a few months prior to Robs 24th birthday in August.
Good afternoon! Yup, a great day. Our version of the heloween today... Only with doughnuts instead of pumpkins... Theyre dealing them for free (will the wonders ever cease!) with the lunch here at work... Cant wait! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:04:43 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning fellow Metalheads...here's to hoping we all have a great day today!!!
Aw, aint that cute... Ok, ok, ill tell the big D to let you be... For a while at least. You can come with me friday. Me and Lucifer want someone to grill up a couple of burgers... And you dont even need a grill! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Monday, February 23, 2009 4:18:43 PM)
guitardude wrote:
It`s more like getting me out of his misery. Not just anyone can claim that they torment the Devil. Since his plan for me back fired, he`s living proof that regret can and will eat you alive!!!
So , not being evil enough is no sweat, just as long as I can defeat anyone or anything he may throw at me!! And I`ve been successful thus far!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 23, 2009 11:32:20 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, and my soul is about as useless as my conscience. I sold both to the devil. He kinda liked them, tho, so now we play poker every friday. He has a lot to say about you, you know. "Well... Lets just say that we all have our bad days... Hes not what I wanted at all... Just not evil enough. I always wanted to take him out of his misery, but I dont have the heart to do it to the poor little thing..." Yup, thats what he said.
guitardude wrote:
Think your soul is useless? Try being without it for a while!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, my soul? You can have that... The thing is bloody useless!
guitardude wrote:
All that is required for payment is your soul!! But since you did seem to ask nicely, I guess I`ll give you another chance, but I`ll still be watching you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. That ultimate price... Do you take credit cards, or just cash? Do I have to pay right now? You see, Im in a bit of a cash low crisis right now... Come on, be a good little skeleton, and just forget about it, eh?
guitardude wrote:
You just had to call me EMO, didn`t you?? I warned you about what might happen , prepare for the first of many assaults with the ultimate price being paid in the end by you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, looks like Im dealing with an EMO skeleton!
Now, now... Just dont cut your wrists!
guitardude wrote:
You know,... One of these days you`re really gonna hurt my feelings!! And after that, I won`t be accountable for my actions!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well said, Bones. Very nice. Now dance for your master!
Put your right leg in...
Put your right leg out...
Erm... Put on a dress and be a girl...
I must say, being dead sure isnt good for cleavege, eh?
guitardude wrote:
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
Oh, and my soul is about as useless as my conscience. I sold both to the devil. He kinda liked them, tho, so now we play poker every friday. He has a lot to say about you, you know. "Well... Lets just say that we all have our bad days... Hes not what I wanted at all... Just not evil enough. I always wanted to take him out of his misery, but I dont have the heart to do it to the poor little thing..." Yup, thats what he said. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Monday, February 23, 2009 8:59:17 AM)
guitardude wrote:
Think your soul is useless? Try being without it for a while!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, my soul? You can have that... The thing is bloody useless!
guitardude wrote:
All that is required for payment is your soul!! But since you did seem to ask nicely, I guess I`ll give you another chance, but I`ll still be watching you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. That ultimate price... Do you take credit cards, or just cash? Do I have to pay right now? You see, Im in a bit of a cash low crisis right now... Come on, be a good little skeleton, and just forget about it, eh?
guitardude wrote:
You just had to call me EMO, didn`t you?? I warned you about what might happen , prepare for the first of many assaults with the ultimate price being paid in the end by you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, looks like Im dealing with an EMO skeleton!
Now, now... Just dont cut your wrists!
guitardude wrote:
You know,... One of these days you`re really gonna hurt my feelings!! And after that, I won`t be accountable for my actions!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well said, Bones. Very nice. Now dance for your master!
Put your right leg in...
Put your right leg out...
Erm... Put on a dress and be a girl...
I must say, being dead sure isnt good for cleavege, eh?
guitardude wrote:
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
Hmm....And with youth apparently comes insolence?.. Inevitably.
why did you ask in the first place, if you were going to be sarcastic? Well;
sarcasm (n): a mode of wit depending for its effect on bitter, caustic or often ironic language directed at an individual.
It would have been fairly difficult for me to employ sarcasm without responding to his query, no? Of course, Redneck has two "e"s in it and Freeze has two "e"s so....well...ummm...
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:08:52 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
With age comes wisdom, with wisdom comes sarcasm... Obviously.
And why did you ask in the first place, if you were going to be sarcastic?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Really??!!?!?!?!??? Is THAT what he meant?????? WOW!!! I sure am glad I have you around!!!!...............
_strat_ wrote:
None of those bands are unknown, obscure or lesser known. Aria is really famous in Russia, as is Arkona, and Divlje Jagode are a legend in fmr. Yugoslavia. I guess what Russian Priest meant is bands that are not known to a global audience. And of course, bands that dont sing in English.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Unknown
Lesser-known
Obscure
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:03:22 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Not well known? Not well known globaly or outside the bands country of origin?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Exactly, 'Toast. By the by, what the hell is "non famous"...???????
Sry, but Im a renowed Real hater... And a Barcelona lover. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by toddie from Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:09:23 PM)
toddie wrote:
Ahhh Chelsea won again. I really wanted Aston Villa to win but a well. On the brighter side of news Real dominated 6-1 and Barcelona lost for the first time in 27 years at home to Español. Hooray only 7 points to catch up. I remain very optimistic.
_strat_ wrote:
Hmm... If he gets Hiddink, we may be in for it ("we" Chelsea haters...lol). I remeber how the Russians were at the Euro with Hiddink - they kicked some major ass. We will see... I hope Hiddink says no to the Russian in Chelsea, and continues with the Russian Russians. Those guys really deserve to do well at the world cup next year.
toddie wrote:
Breaking news Scolari has been sacked!!!!!! i believe he should have been given more of a chance but hey its tough business. the Russian wants Gus Hiddink & there are many others rumoured to take the spot. can chelsea still win any titles or is it too late? any opinions?
Ah, my soul? You can have that... The thing is bloody useless! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, February 21, 2009 8:33:27 PM)
guitardude wrote:
All that is required for payment is your soul!! But since you did seem to ask nicely, I guess I`ll give you another chance, but I`ll still be watching you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. That ultimate price... Do you take credit cards, or just cash? Do I have to pay right now? You see, Im in a bit of a cash low crisis right now... Come on, be a good little skeleton, and just forget about it, eh?
guitardude wrote:
You just had to call me EMO, didn`t you?? I warned you about what might happen , prepare for the first of many assaults with the ultimate price being paid in the end by you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, looks like Im dealing with an EMO skeleton!
Now, now... Just dont cut your wrists!
guitardude wrote:
You know,... One of these days you`re really gonna hurt my feelings!! And after that, I won`t be accountable for my actions!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well said, Bones. Very nice. Now dance for your master!
Put your right leg in...
Put your right leg out...
Erm... Put on a dress and be a girl...
I must say, being dead sure isnt good for cleavege, eh?
guitardude wrote:
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
With age comes wisdom, with wisdom comes sarcasm... Obviously.
And why did you ask in the first place, if you were going to be sarcastic? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, February 21, 2009 5:42:42 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Really??!!?!?!?!??? Is THAT what he meant?????? WOW!!! I sure am glad I have you around!!!!...............
_strat_ wrote:
None of those bands are unknown, obscure or lesser known. Aria is really famous in Russia, as is Arkona, and Divlje Jagode are a legend in fmr. Yugoslavia. I guess what Russian Priest meant is bands that are not known to a global audience. And of course, bands that dont sing in English.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Unknown
Lesser-known
Obscure
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:03:22 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Not well known? Not well known globaly or outside the bands country of origin?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Exactly, 'Toast. By the by, what the hell is "non famous"...???????
Burst into flames? Hmm... I guess it was because of the rear window heating... They only had it so your hands werent cold when you were pushing it!
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh..."Yugoslavia?" You are making that name up, aren't you? I mean, a friend of mine had a car called a Yugo but it burst into flames a week after he bought it. LOL!!! They name the country after the car?
Is Russia close to Prussia? Sounds the same. Either that or it is next to Constantinople or the island of Hispañola. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:55:42 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
None of those bands are unknown, obscure or lesser known. Aria is really famous in Russia, as is Arkona, and Divlje Jagode are a legend in fmr. Yugoslavia. I guess what Russian Priest meant is bands that are not known to a global audience. And of course, bands that dont sing in English.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Unknown
Lesser-known
Obscure
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:03:22 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Not well known? Not well known globaly or outside the bands country of origin?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Exactly, 'Toast. By the by, what the hell is "non famous"...???????
Burst into flames? Hmm... I guess it was because of the rear window heating... They only had it so your hands werent cold when you were pushing it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, February 21, 2009 3:00:17 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Uhhhh..."Yugoslavia?" You are making that name up, aren't you? I mean, a friend of mine had a car called a Yugo but it burst into flames a week after he bought it. LOL!!! They name the country after the car?
Is Russia close to Prussia? Sounds the same. Either that or it is next to Constantinople or the island of Hispañola. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:55:42 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
None of those bands are unknown, obscure or lesser known. Aria is really famous in Russia, as is Arkona, and Divlje Jagode are a legend in fmr. Yugoslavia. I guess what Russian Priest meant is bands that are not known to a global audience. And of course, bands that dont sing in English.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Unknown
Lesser-known
Obscure
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:03:22 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Not well known? Not well known globaly or outside the bands country of origin?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Exactly, 'Toast. By the by, what the hell is "non famous"...???????
None of those bands are unknown, obscure or lesser known. Aria is really famous in Russia, as is Arkona, and Divlje Jagode are a legend in fmr. Yugoslavia. I guess what Russian Priest meant is bands that are not known to a global audience. And of course, bands that dont sing in English.
That would be "Geek"... Not "Greek". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, February 21, 2009 12:26:08 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well guido, apart from the words "improvement" and "machine", I do not believe I actually understood a thing you said..... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All Greek to me.
I am very thankful that Necro AND guido seem to know so much about these diabolical devices. I push "on" and I click on "internet" and that is about it. I would not know a "frag" from a "de-frag" (or a "C" frag..HA!!) and I certainly would have NO idea how to "re-install" anything!! Sad but true. I am as "low-tech" as a human can get and still be able to use a computer. I saw that my computer had automatically identified this "virus" and dealt with it. That's about it. I have "Trend Micro Antivirus", if that means anything to any of you. Apparently, it does all of this for me, which is good since I would be lost trying to follow guido's instructions!
Aha. That ultimate price... Do you take credit cards, or just cash? Do I have to pay right now? You see, Im in a bit of a cash low crisis right now... Come on, be a good little skeleton, and just forget about it, eh? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, February 21, 2009 10:31:39 AM)
guitardude wrote:
You just had to call me EMO, didn`t you?? I warned you about what might happen , prepare for the first of many assaults with the ultimate price being paid in the end by you!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, looks like Im dealing with an EMO skeleton!
Now, now... Just dont cut your wrists!
guitardude wrote:
You know,... One of these days you`re really gonna hurt my feelings!! And after that, I won`t be accountable for my actions!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well said, Bones. Very nice. Now dance for your master!
Put your right leg in...
Put your right leg out...
Erm... Put on a dress and be a girl...
I must say, being dead sure isnt good for cleavege, eh?
guitardude wrote:
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
Well, I know a band called Prolitaja Krov (which Im guessing means "spilled blood", right?), but I dont like them very much. As for Arkona, I love the way they mix heavy metal with folk music, specialy in their use of instruments. They get a very interesting sound out of it. And the female vocals work out nicely too.
Aria is cool too, tho I must say that I dont know much about their music. Those links of yours are very usefull! I will check out more from them.
Thats it, tho. We dont get much of anything from Russian music scene over here, Im afraid... Well, apart from TATU, but they sucked, imo. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Russian Priest from Saturday, February 21, 2009 2:47:53 AM)
Russian Priest wrote:
Really? You know any Russian bands else?))) Arkona plays in hard-folk style, I don't like them much, but if you want I can post here some links))
Motori is real funny))) Old hard-rock school))) I like it!
Aria are pretty cool. I heard a couple of songs from them. I prefer Arkona, tho (Sila Slavnih is a bloody great song).
My contribution: Bosnian (or at the time Yugoslavian) band Divlje Jagode (the name literary means "Wild strawberries"...) and the song "Motori" ("Motorcycles"). Video quality is crap, but you can hear the song at least...
I'm starting with the most famous Russian metal-band, that's why sometimes we call them "Russian Iron Maiden". But the true name of them is Aria. It was formed in 1985 in Moscow. Since it was formed it had many staff changings therefore only one person stayed there from the time the band started to play - guitarist and leader Vladimir Holstinin. As Aria started Valeriy Kipelov was the vocalist (one of the best Russian voices in metal ever) but in 2002 he left the band and started his solo-project. Arthur Berkut changed him and now Aria produced 2 albums with new frontman: Baptism by the Flame (2003) and Armageddon (2006). 90% of Aria's music was written by Vladimir Holstinin and Vitaliy Dubinin (bass-guitarist joined to band in 1987) and also 90% of their lyrics was written by their friend - rock-poetess Margarita Pushkina. Now Aria has 10 studio albums, several concert DVDs and of course many fans in Russia and all around the world)))
Oficial web-site (In Russian): www.aria.ru
MySpace (In English): www.myspace.com/arians/
Video Clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHel6Mgm10U&feature=related - Shard of Ice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnzsV0bYBpg&feature=related - Lost Paradise (with Symphonic orchestra)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DldI22ObPo - Coliseum(new vocalist Arthur Berkut)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7gDZlMkKZs - It's High There (new vocalist Arthur Berkut)
Concert Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRVv23ygrs4 - Angelic Dust (with Symphonic orchestra) 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XasvlMQRMIo - Blood of the Kings (new vocalist Arthur Berkut) 2006
So hope you'll like it.
You also could put some info about bands from you countries and ask each other about tem ;) Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:39:29 PM Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:40:43 PM Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:42:29 PM Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:43:51 PM Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:46:07 PM
Wouldnt that be "Moamer"? And he says Reagan was a dog, and that he spend the entire war throwing his shoes in the direction of the US jets.
Saddam loves him, tho.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Why not give our old pal Momar in Lybia a call and ask him what he thinks it meant?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I dont think so...
"Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall!" may have meant: "Get dat dang wall off ma property!"
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Ummmm...strat? I believe that would be coincidence.
_strat_ wrote:
Pst... Freeze, Lebensraum to the north... Go, exterminate the untermoose...
I couldnt help but noticing... Why are the first two letters of "Redneck" the same as the first two letters of "Reagan"? Any thoughts?
You know,... One of these days you`re really gonna hurt my feelings!! And after that, I won`t be accountable for my actions!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well said, Bones. Very nice. Now dance for your master!
Put your right leg in...
Put your right leg out...
Erm... Put on a dress and be a girl...
I must say, being dead sure isnt good for cleavege, eh?
guitardude wrote:
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
Aria are pretty cool. I heard a couple of songs from them. I prefer Arkona, tho (Sila Slavnih is a bloody great song).
My contribution: Bosnian (or at the time Yugoslavian) band Divlje Jagode (the name literary means "Wild strawberries"...) and the song "Motori" ("Motorcycles"). Video quality is crap, but you can hear the song at least...
I'm starting with the most famous Russian metal-band, that's why sometimes we call them "Russian Iron Maiden". But the true name of them is Aria. It was formed in 1985 in Moscow. Since it was formed it had many staff changings therefore only one person stayed there from the time the band started to play - guitarist and leader Vladimir Holstinin. As Aria started Valeriy Kipelov was the vocalist (one of the best Russian voices in metal ever) but in 2002 he left the band and started his solo-project. Arthur Berkut changed him and now Aria produced 2 albums with new frontman: Baptism by the Flame (2003) and Armageddon (2006). 90% of Aria's music was written by Vladimir Holstinin and Vitaliy Dubinin (bass-guitarist joined to band in 1987) and also 90% of their lyrics was written by their friend - rock-poetess Margarita Pushkina. Now Aria has 10 studio albums, several concert DVDs and of course many fans in Russia and all around the world)))
Oficial web-site (In Russian): www.aria.ru
MySpace (In English): www.myspace.com/arians/
Video Clips
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHel6Mgm10U&feature=related - Shard of Ice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnzsV0bYBpg&feature=related - Lost Paradise (with Symphonic orchestra)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DldI22ObPo - Coliseum(new vocalist Arthur Berkut)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7gDZlMkKZs - It's High There (new vocalist Arthur Berkut)
Concert Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRVv23ygrs4 - Angelic Dust (with Symphonic orchestra) 2002
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XasvlMQRMIo - Blood of the Kings (new vocalist Arthur Berkut) 2006
So hope you'll like it.
You also could put some info about bands from you countries and ask each other about tem ;) Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:39:29 PM Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:40:43 PM Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:42:29 PM Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:43:51 PM Edited at: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:46:07 PM
Why not give our old pal Momar in Lybia a call and ask him what he thinks it meant?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I dont think so...
"Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall!" may have meant: "Get dat dang wall off ma property!"
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Ummmm...strat? I believe that would be coincidence.
_strat_ wrote:
Pst... Freeze, Lebensraum to the north... Go, exterminate the untermoose...
I couldnt help but noticing... Why are the first two letters of "Redneck" the same as the first two letters of "Reagan"? Any thoughts?
Well, its an age old fact that alcohol and communicative skills are very connected... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, February 20, 2009 5:15:21 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Okay, this didn't piss me off but I was kinda annoyed by it. That Metal Show - which is hosted by Eddie Trunk on VH1 Classic, had Ace Frehley on back in December. I watched the show last night and for as much as I love the Space Ace, he's a lame guest when he's sober. Dude has nothing much to say.
"Mr. Gorbachov, tear down this wall!" may have meant: "Get dat dang wall off ma property!" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, February 20, 2009 5:10:29 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Ummmm...strat? I believe that would be coincidence.
_strat_ wrote:
Pst... Freeze, Lebensraum to the north... Go, exterminate the untermoose...
I couldnt help but noticing... Why are the first two letters of "Redneck" the same as the first two letters of "Reagan"? Any thoughts?
DPK and Strat are correct. We as defenders were to soft on the infidels that were invading our Kingdom, luckily we were given another oppurtunity to prove our worthiness and provided another Kingdom to defend. Now, in it`s defense, brutallity is the order of the day. Being PC and understanding has gone by the wayside. But what a beautiful Kingdom we have now. I hope that answers your question.
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
In any case, we moved here because certain noobs were using the first thread for chitchatery, not aware of the importance of the thread. Me and Guido thought it up, and Dawn created the new thread here, if my memory is correct. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kiamat from Thursday, February 19, 2009 6:51:17 AM)
kiamat wrote:
I was just wondering- Kmac the Second? What happened to the first one? Or should such dark deeds be left undisturbed?
We've found you out Strat- a very freudian slip...
It can... just legalise euthanasia. Non-volountary too. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:47:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
yes, but while its fine and all, it doesnt work on stupidity.
_strat_ wrote:
Doh... Thats why I created socialised healthcare! Thou shalt not tempt Strat, thy lord!
Head banger wrote:
right. in that case, I have a few people who need to be cured,
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Im a god, remember?
Head banger wrote:
you mean types at him? long flight for you to touch him.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand. But I dont agree. I make my reservation now: if the asshole ever gets into the politics thread, no one is to touch him but me!
Deep Freeze wrote:
That may be so, strat. I will not argue that. I refuse to be drawn into a name-calling, finger-pointing, self-deprecating battle that will only serve to create yet ANOTHER embarrassment for this site. My point was, and remains, that we as a membership are far above this kind of thinking. To continue to respond directly to this "person" is only giving him further reason to perpetuate that embarrassment.
I do not own this site nor do I have any particular power over it or its members. I am speaking as one member that chooses to put our group before my personal desire to confront this ignorance in a public forum that should be dedicated to the enjoyment of its participants. That is what I meant previously and what I have said now.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if we go back far enough, all humans can trace their descent to the missing link. Which makes arguing about races even more pointless than it already is.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled.
I think that would be "personification" of evil, and not "impersonation" of evil. Unless you meant to say your an absolute fake "devil". LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Not so bad?!?! Misunderstood? Sympathy?!?!?! Hey, I have a reputation to uphold here! Im the impersonation of evil!
spapad wrote:
Hello King Kmac, I have never met you, but is it ok with you I stay in the land of Kmac? Strat is not so bad, he's just misunderstood!? Have a little sympathy for the devil. HA!!! Just kidding, please don't stone me!
kmac wrote:
GREETINGS !!!!!!!
You have served me well my "Faithful Defenders" . May you forever be safe under my Guidance be it rare at best .
As for the foolish Strat who has continually betrayed me , GIVE UP!!!! You cannot defeat the mighty Kingdom of Kmacia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am always watching , those who I trust will see the signs and know my wishes.
Well, Im sure there are still things that can be done... I find it hard to believe that modern medicine cant do anything else than what has already been done.
Oh, and I agree with the rest - Youtube is a big bunch of assholes. I want Billy Bragg videos back! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, February 18, 2009 11:05:23 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
"Live with it", basically. There is not much that can be done as I already had the surgery. There is not much more modern medicine can do for me, unfortunately. I do appreciate all the kindness. You are all very comforting, I can assure you.
_strat_ wrote:
What does the doctor say?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!! Thank you , Ron. I wish it were that simple. I fear I am slowly heading into a very bad situation. My medication does not seem to be working and I have a myriad of problems develpoing. Truly miserable.
ronhartsell wrote:
I feel your pain DF...I've been sick since Friday and yesterday was the first day I was able to breath without 'dripping' all over the place...my ribs are so sore from the pressure built up in my lungs, they still hurt pretty bad...and the pressure in my head is slowly going away...hopefully you'll be feeling better soon!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am so SICK of being SICK. I cannot sleep. I cannot sit quietly. I feel like garbage most of the time. I just spent this last evening thrashing about in bed, unable to get to sleep. That sickly feeling coming in wave after wave. The pain in my back screaming at me. I roll to one side, then the other.. I am hot. I am cold. I ache. I have had it with this. It is the most miserable feeling I have evet known.
HA!! Thank you , Ron. I wish it were that simple. I fear I am slowly heading into a very bad situation. My medication does not seem to be working and I have a myriad of problems develpoing. Truly miserable.
ronhartsell wrote:
I feel your pain DF...I've been sick since Friday and yesterday was the first day I was able to breath without 'dripping' all over the place...my ribs are so sore from the pressure built up in my lungs, they still hurt pretty bad...and the pressure in my head is slowly going away...hopefully you'll be feeling better soon!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I am so SICK of being SICK. I cannot sleep. I cannot sit quietly. I feel like garbage most of the time. I just spent this last evening thrashing about in bed, unable to get to sleep. That sickly feeling coming in wave after wave. The pain in my back screaming at me. I roll to one side, then the other.. I am hot. I am cold. I ache. I have had it with this. It is the most miserable feeling I have evet known.
Woman wields wedgie to subdue suspect
Technician says she saw man trying to break into a co-worker’s car
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updated 3:47 p.m. CT, Tues., Feb.
17, 2009
SALT LAKE CITY - It took a wedgie and a headlock to pin down a man suspected of breaking into a car.
Yvonne Morris, a technician at the Brickyard Animal Hospital, said she chased a man who broke into a co-worker's car, but he kept squirming away from her.
The third time, Morris grabbed hold of the man's boxer shorts and pulled. Salt Lake City police said she then she put a headlock on the man until help could arrive.
Doh... Thats why I created socialised healthcare! Thou shalt not tempt Strat, thy lord! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:56:04 PM)
Head banger wrote:
right. in that case, I have a few people who need to be cured,
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Im a god, remember?
Head banger wrote:
you mean types at him? long flight for you to touch him.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand. But I dont agree. I make my reservation now: if the asshole ever gets into the politics thread, no one is to touch him but me!
Deep Freeze wrote:
That may be so, strat. I will not argue that. I refuse to be drawn into a name-calling, finger-pointing, self-deprecating battle that will only serve to create yet ANOTHER embarrassment for this site. My point was, and remains, that we as a membership are far above this kind of thinking. To continue to respond directly to this "person" is only giving him further reason to perpetuate that embarrassment.
I do not own this site nor do I have any particular power over it or its members. I am speaking as one member that chooses to put our group before my personal desire to confront this ignorance in a public forum that should be dedicated to the enjoyment of its participants. That is what I meant previously and what I have said now.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if we go back far enough, all humans can trace their descent to the missing link. Which makes arguing about races even more pointless than it already is.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled.
Pst... Freeze, Lebensraum to the north... Go, exterminate the untermoose...
I couldnt help but noticing... Why are the first two letters of "Redneck" the same as the first two letters of "Reagan"? Any thoughts? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:17:02 PM)
Not so bad?!?! Misunderstood? Sympathy?!?!?! Hey, I have a reputation to uphold here! Im the impersonation of evil! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:10:10 PM)
spapad wrote:
Hello King Kmac, I have never met you, but is it ok with you I stay in the land of Kmac? Strat is not so bad, he's just misunderstood!? Have a little sympathy for the devil. HA!!! Just kidding, please don't stone me!
kmac wrote:
GREETINGS !!!!!!!
You have served me well my "Faithful Defenders" . May you forever be safe under my Guidance be it rare at best .
As for the foolish Strat who has continually betrayed me , GIVE UP!!!! You cannot defeat the mighty Kingdom of Kmacia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am always watching , those who I trust will see the signs and know my wishes.
you mean types at him? long flight for you to touch him.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand. But I dont agree. I make my reservation now: if the asshole ever gets into the politics thread, no one is to touch him but me!
Deep Freeze wrote:
That may be so, strat. I will not argue that. I refuse to be drawn into a name-calling, finger-pointing, self-deprecating battle that will only serve to create yet ANOTHER embarrassment for this site. My point was, and remains, that we as a membership are far above this kind of thinking. To continue to respond directly to this "person" is only giving him further reason to perpetuate that embarrassment.
I do not own this site nor do I have any particular power over it or its members. I am speaking as one member that chooses to put our group before my personal desire to confront this ignorance in a public forum that should be dedicated to the enjoyment of its participants. That is what I meant previously and what I have said now.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if we go back far enough, all humans can trace their descent to the missing link. Which makes arguing about races even more pointless than it already is.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled.
I understand. But I dont agree. I make my reservation now: if the asshole ever gets into the politics thread, no one is to touch him but me! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 11:54:02 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That may be so, strat. I will not argue that. I refuse to be drawn into a name-calling, finger-pointing, self-deprecating battle that will only serve to create yet ANOTHER embarrassment for this site. My point was, and remains, that we as a membership are far above this kind of thinking. To continue to respond directly to this "person" is only giving him further reason to perpetuate that embarrassment.
I do not own this site nor do I have any particular power over it or its members. I am speaking as one member that chooses to put our group before my personal desire to confront this ignorance in a public forum that should be dedicated to the enjoyment of its participants. That is what I meant previously and what I have said now.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if we go back far enough, all humans can trace their descent to the missing link. Which makes arguing about races even more pointless than it already is.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled.
Well, if we go back far enough, all humans can trace their descent to the missing link. Which makes arguing about races even more pointless than it already is. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 10:06:36 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Personally, as a "proud white man" myself, I am disgusted by the whole thing. I refuse to comment directly to this cretin so I will speak to our group.
When we allow ourselves to be taken down a path of foul ignorance, we also allow ourselves to be drawn down to the level of the low life to which we respond. Further, we do a great injustice to our membership. You see, we also enjoy the "company" we keep and enjoy the true "art" of the music which defines us. BUT, WE do not allow color, religion, race or country of origin to shadow what it means to be a "true" fan. Accordingly, WE do not see things so simply and WE choose to take a more "enlightend" and eclectic approach to our lives.
I will always be "proud" of my heritage. Moreover, I am proud to be part of such a widely diverse group. We have broken the bonds of ignorance and embraced all. Truth be told, unless you are an American Indian, you are NOT of this land. You are an immigrant. Whether that be of white, European heritage or black, Hispanic, Asian or anything else. How that could possibly be missed is beyond me, but I digress.
We are a family. We do not, nor should we ever, allow the stupidity of racism or any other hate (yes, I said hate) to come among us or, WORSE, be acknowledged. We cannot control the ignorance of others, but we can stand high above it. We shall not be soiled.
Is it a stretch to assume that he is offended by the standard black background? He is probably offended by the night too - being that its so black.
Stormfront (the URL he had) has a pretty nasty reputation. Not that its illegal or anything, but being a member there sure does tell a lot about a persons intelligence... Or the lack of it. I guess he shit his pants when the first responses started to roll in, and deleted it.
hahahHAHAHAH!!!! XD with the white backround and everything LOL!
dear if your a proud white man, why did you removed you url after I told guido about it.... not so proud now?
"I do not hate other ethnic groups, I just do not like them or trust them" LOL like Raul Garza said "I'm not a racist, I just don't like black people"
I personally invite you to visit Southamerica, you really should know how we receive peole like you here, and bring your friends too, we'll give you a nice and warm welcome .... you should come and visit these lands.. oh why not? I imagine your not like those fucking scumbags that are proud of their phylosophy and believes only behind their keyboard right? ;)
oh and let us all know about your "tastes" in music, we are all waiting
(Quoting Message by Racist from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:32:02 AM)
Racist wrote:
Because I'm a proud white man with discriminating tastes in music and in the company I keep. I perfer the Art, Music and the company of white people. I do not hate other ethnic groups I just do not like them or trust them. For having a sense of pride and loving Heavy Metal I've been called this many times anyway. I say so be it, so what of it. Most people do not understand what the real meaning of it is anyway. If you love your people as I do you might be a racist too. LOL ;) Edited at: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:33:06 AM
Foolish little king... Your knighets are no match for me! I fart in your general direction! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kmac from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 7:29:46 AM)
kmac wrote:
GREETINGS !!!!!!!
You have served me well my "Faithful Defenders" . May you forever be safe under my Guidance be it rare at best .
As for the foolish Strat who has continually betrayed me , GIVE UP!!!! You cannot defeat the mighty Kingdom of Kmacia !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am always watching , those who I trust will see the signs and know my wishes.
You mean the secret plan of gays to take over the world and make us all wear pink leather pants? I thought that only existed in the imagination of Conservapedia editors. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 6:15:18 AM)
Bev wrote:
Oh come now gentlemen. You're educated. Haven't you heard / read of the homosexual racist hidden agenda?!
Having written that, I will note, next to fanatical religious sects, racism (of any kind) scares the piss out of me.
I'll have no further involvement in this type of discussion.
That is strange. Giving so much praise to Rob in one post, would he bash gays in another? Well... IDK, I think that we are overloading his mental capabilities already. Maybe he will just shit his pants and leave? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:41:58 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
You have to also wonder that being a white supremacist, what his views on gays are.
I also wonder what he thinks about Ozzy and Metallica's bass players being Latino. Do you think he likes the band, Living Colour?
guidogodoy wrote:
Ah, lovely. Thank you for the unexpected response.
Could I follow-up and ask about your favorite white artists and bands? I am seriously more interested in the Art side as I really lack such "discriminating" tastes. What are your favorite works / artists?
(Please don't respond with that white on white background again. FYI it makes us have to highlight your words as you can't see / read them and it does seem that you wish to be understood).
Racist wrote:
Because I'm a proud white man with discriminating tastes in music and in the company I keep. I perfer the Art, Music and the company of white people. I do not hate other ethnic groups I just do not like them or trust them. For having a sense of pride and loving Heavy Metal I've been called this many times anyway. I say so be it, so what of it. Most people do not understand what the real meaning of it is anyway. If you love your people as I do you might be a racist too. LOL ;) Edited at: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:33:06 AM
Yeah, well, I suppose thats for the best... Tho, to be honest, he didnt directly attack anyone yet. No matter, he will, sooner or later. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:38:47 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I like the way you think, strat. Though, I doubt the racist limberger cheese-smelling idiot will make it that far.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, it seems that he is a regular at Stormfront - looking at it that way, he isnt even the worst.
I hope he gets to the politics thread soon.
devils_child wrote:
I still can't believe someone would actually make their screen name "Racist"... what the hell???
Best not to push him. He will bombard us with all sorts of studies from the university of Dumbfuckistan that clearly show that blacks, latinos, asians, slavs, jews, ect... Are geneticaly inferior to aryan whites. Whatever that means - or whatever he wants to make up.
In any case, Miley Cyrus was just on the radio. I cant think of a better way to refute the whole white supremacy nonsense. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 3:34:00 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I think you are utterly ridiculous. I know a shitload of Caucasians (I'm white too) how are dishonest and not trustworthy. One of my best friends is Latino. It's not the colour of your skin or your ethnic backround that makes one trustworthy, it's that INDIVIDUALS personality!
And since you're so "enlightened", please share with us the "true" meaning of Heavy Metal. We yearn for your keen insight and hope you decide to impart more of your "wisdom" to us.
Racist wrote:
Because I'm a proud white man with discriminating tastes in music and in the company I keep. I perfer the Art, Music and the company of white people. I do not hate other ethnic groups I just do not like them or trust them. For having a sense of pride and loving Heavy Metal I've been called this many times anyway. I say so be it, so what of it. Most people do not understand what the real meaning of it is anyway. If you love your people as I do you might be a racist too. LOL ;) Edited at: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:33:06 AM
Thank you very much. Im getting a Nobel Prize because of you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Racist from Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:32:02 AM)
Racist wrote:
Because I'm a proud white man with discriminating tastes in music and in the company I keep. I perfer the Art, Music and the company of white people. I do not hate other ethnic groups I just do not like them or trust them. For having a sense of pride and loving Heavy Metal I've been called this many times anyway. I say so be it, so what of it. Most people do not understand what the real meaning of it is anyway. If you love your people as I do you might be a racist too. LOL ;) Edited at: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:33:06 AM
Compromise: lets just call it "Ethnic cleaning". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, February 16, 2009 2:02:05 PM)
spapad wrote:
LOL, Strat, the chemical commercials promote germicide, not genocide, big difference! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, heres one thing that pisses me off... Commercials for all sorts of cleaning products. "Kills 99% of microorganisms" stuff. Since when are commercials supposed to promote genocide? And the people that appear in them are all like "Kill the germs!! Kill them all!". Paranoic stuff. Or "the eternal battle against dust". Yeah. Its going to kill me if I dont wipe the dust of the desk before I sit in front of the computer... Paranoia to make people buy useless shit... And annoying as hell to watch.
Oh, yeah, I know about that... When they put the comercial at the beginning of the break, and at the end they just roll the reminder: "and dont forget, you get a cell phone for just 1€ if you give us your liver, your kidneys and be our sex slave for a year..."
Personaly, if it wasnt for practical issues, I would have smashed that anoying piece of shit against a wall ages ago. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 16, 2009 1:11:14 PM)
Head banger wrote:
what about getting the same comercial twice in one set??? FFS, I either want a new phone or I dont, leave me alone!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, heres one thing that pisses me off... Commercials for all sorts of cleaning products. "Kills 99% of microorganisms" stuff. Since when are commercials supposed to promote genocide? And the people that appear in them are all like "Kill the germs!! Kill them all!". Paranoic stuff. Or "the eternal battle against dust". Yeah. Its going to kill me if I dont wipe the dust of the desk before I sit in front of the computer... Paranoia to make people buy useless shit... And annoying as hell to watch.
Yup, wikipedia rules. I always get lost in it. The links are great. I once got from checking up an African country (was on the news because there was some sort of a coup there) to the series of articles on pizzas. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, February 16, 2009 12:38:17 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
I love Wikipedia...anyone who has never taken the time to check Priest out, you really should...the album by album history, quotes, thoughts and pics...I've literally gotten lost for days there...
Ok, heres one thing that pisses me off... Commercials for all sorts of cleaning products. "Kills 99% of microorganisms" stuff. Since when are commercials supposed to promote genocide? And the people that appear in them are all like "Kill the germs!! Kill them all!". Paranoic stuff. Or "the eternal battle against dust". Yeah. Its going to kill me if I dont wipe the dust of the desk before I sit in front of the computer... Paranoia to make people buy useless shit... And annoying as hell to watch.
nah, lots of people wishing I would burn in hell though!
Bev wrote:
.. so it was you!?! Say it aint so
Head banger wrote:
having spent days without power due to snowstorms, I know that one should never anger Gaea. if people wishing you would burn in hell had an effect on the weather, this would have been the warmest ever in this neck of the woods.
Bev wrote:
I know you tried. I'm sure my very nature had more to do with there being virtually no winter here than anything else, Canada.
Think there was more energy wishing I would "burn in hell" than there were good wishes for a winter wonderland.
When I remember the folks that ended up without power for days, etc. Really can't complain about much. So I'll shut-up now ... Don't wanna ire Gaea
Head banger wrote:
morning all
trust me, I did my best to get the cold and snow to go south to you. just failed.
Bev wrote:
Morning, Freeze!
Well, gentlemen, and ladies, winter passed us by, this time. I wished for winter weather and kept hoping someone would send some this way (sighs). It hit 80(something) this past week.
Whats pissing me off is that stuff like that makes it into the news in the first place... Brangelina adopts half of Africa... Why dont they adopt me too? I want Playstation 3... You think they would give it to me? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, February 15, 2009 2:44:09 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, so here is what is PISSING me off today;
I can't stand it when people in the media speak for me!! You have heard it before, I am sure!.., "America is pulling for you.." America loves that!"... "ALL of America wants to know". WHAT THE HELL??!!?!?!?!
Look, I don't give a flying rat's ass about the latest movie star to suffer a "relapse". I could not care less which kid has gone missing this week and I really do NOT have any interest in which "feel good" sports story is on your mind! "All" of America is NOT interested in your CRAP!! "All" of America is not watching with excitement over Brad and Angie's next move.
Why is it that people have to include "all" in their moronic statements???? It only serves to further prove that the whole story is a useless pile of steaming fecal matter.
Onslow?...........The man who has his own roof over his privates?..........And you want to be just like him?
Strat, I would seriously rethink this strategy with the ladies if I were you.
_strat_ wrote:
"Oy, you two, thats enough! Im no toy... Now bring me a beer and some bacon. And bang that tellie, so I can watch me some horseraces!"
Yup, Onslow... The role model for a 21st century male!
Anyway, g2g... Be back later. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:53:45 AM)
Head banger wrote:
digitaly insert them into the movie that DF and obama made...
_strat_ wrote:
The focus is supposed to be on the big ball of fat in the front...
What would I do with a stuffed dog and a donald duck doll?
guidogodoy wrote:
And you would be LUCKY to have so many beautiful collector's items as pictured in the background. GEMS, one and all!
_strat_ wrote:
Why not? Im getting lazy in my young age. I dont even dare to think what I will be like when I hit forty... Probably something like this:
Yup. Is nice. Happy valentines day to everyone.
guidogodoy wrote:
You KNOW I browsed through those messages now, don't you? Heh...don't want you to think I am getting lazy in my old age! (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:36:13 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ah... to be missed. or missing. one of the two.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, now SEE? Exactly as the conversations should go in my absence: "Where is Guido?" Oh how I miss him! What will I do to entertain myself until he wakes up? Perhaps I'll make a sculputure in his honor while waiting!"
MORNIN' Ladies! A very happy St. Valentines / Día de los enamorados to all! Edited at: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:26:31 AM
Edited at: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:43:11 AM
The focus is supposed to be on the big ball of fat in the front...
What would I do with a stuffed dog and a donald duck doll? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:47:54 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
And you would be LUCKY to have so many beautiful collector's items as pictured in the background. GEMS, one and all!
_strat_ wrote:
Why not? Im getting lazy in my young age. I dont even dare to think what I will be like when I hit forty... Probably something like this:
Yup. Is nice. Happy valentines day to everyone.
guidogodoy wrote:
You KNOW I browsed through those messages now, don't you? Heh...don't want you to think I am getting lazy in my old age! (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:36:13 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ah... to be missed. or missing. one of the two.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, now SEE? Exactly as the conversations should go in my absence: "Where is Guido?" Oh how I miss him! What will I do to entertain myself until he wakes up? Perhaps I'll make a sculputure in his honor while waiting!"
MORNIN' Ladies! A very happy St. Valentines / Día de los enamorados to all! Edited at: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:26:31 AM
Edited at: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:43:11 AM
Why not? Im getting lazy in my young age. I dont even dare to think what I will be like when I hit forty... Probably something like this:
Yup. Is nice. Happy valentines day to everyone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:38:18 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
You KNOW I browsed through those messages now, don't you? Heh...don't want you to think I am getting lazy in my old age! (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:36:13 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ah... to be missed. or missing. one of the two.
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh, now SEE? Exactly as the conversations should go in my absence: "Where is Guido?" Oh how I miss him! What will I do to entertain myself until he wakes up? Perhaps I'll make a sculputure in his honor while waiting!"
MORNIN' Ladies! A very happy St. Valentines / Día de los enamorados to all! Edited at: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:26:31 AM
Edited at: Saturday, February 14, 2009 11:43:11 AM
I guess you're right. Pardon my stupidity.........
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... I did NOT have to know that.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes. I was the co-star....BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... You would know...lol...
Deep Freeze wrote:
I think Obama was actually in one......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Most likely attack it in public an watch it at home.
Head banger wrote:
I wonder what hitler and obama think of porn?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry, I have no time for this. There is a White Supremecy rally downtown today and then I am going to watch porn.........
_strat_ wrote:
First, I didnt take it personaly. Ive been here too long for that, and you know it. And, yes I know you didnt write it, and I suspected that it was a joke - tho with certain blogers out there, it could have very well passed as truth.
Now then... I pointed out that there are massive differences between Kenya and the USA, and minimum differences between Austria and Germany. Certainly an Austrian in Germany wouldnt be pounded with so much racist shit as Obama was in the US. That, and Hitlers role in world war 1 had a massive influence on his political views. And of course, Hitler revealed his goals way before he was elected, so people did know what he wanted to do. Maybe they didnt believe that he wouldnt succed... But that is another matter.
Now, my point was to present that there are huge differences between the two - infact that they are much more different than alike.
And again... Nothing personal is meant. You know it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Your first comment is irrelevant. (A country is a country and cultures are not the point)
Your second comment makes NO sense as it is, again not the point. What does fighting in a war have to do with what was written?
Your third and fifth comment are unimportant since the POINT is, no one knew until it was TOO LATE.
And finally, your fourth comment is misguided, as I am merely showing an aptitude for BOTH men to utilize sympathetic audience for political gain, which is really what I was getting at in the FIRST place! As for stupidity..well, it is not my writing so I cannot claim ownership, nor was it a discovery. It is a joke. Leave it to you to take it personally OR make it personal.!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.
Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.
Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.
Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite
Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.
If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????
I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.
I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.
I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.
Umm... I did NOT have to know that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:17:26 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes. I was the co-star....BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... You would know...lol...
Deep Freeze wrote:
I think Obama was actually in one......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Most likely attack it in public an watch it at home.
Head banger wrote:
I wonder what hitler and obama think of porn?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry, I have no time for this. There is a White Supremecy rally downtown today and then I am going to watch porn.........
_strat_ wrote:
First, I didnt take it personaly. Ive been here too long for that, and you know it. And, yes I know you didnt write it, and I suspected that it was a joke - tho with certain blogers out there, it could have very well passed as truth.
Now then... I pointed out that there are massive differences between Kenya and the USA, and minimum differences between Austria and Germany. Certainly an Austrian in Germany wouldnt be pounded with so much racist shit as Obama was in the US. That, and Hitlers role in world war 1 had a massive influence on his political views. And of course, Hitler revealed his goals way before he was elected, so people did know what he wanted to do. Maybe they didnt believe that he wouldnt succed... But that is another matter.
Now, my point was to present that there are huge differences between the two - infact that they are much more different than alike.
And again... Nothing personal is meant. You know it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Your first comment is irrelevant. (A country is a country and cultures are not the point)
Your second comment makes NO sense as it is, again not the point. What does fighting in a war have to do with what was written?
Your third and fifth comment are unimportant since the POINT is, no one knew until it was TOO LATE.
And finally, your fourth comment is misguided, as I am merely showing an aptitude for BOTH men to utilize sympathetic audience for political gain, which is really what I was getting at in the FIRST place! As for stupidity..well, it is not my writing so I cannot claim ownership, nor was it a discovery. It is a joke. Leave it to you to take it personally OR make it personal.!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.
Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.
Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.
Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite
Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.
If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????
I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.
I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.
I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.
Well... You would know...lol... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:15:17 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I think Obama was actually in one......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Most likely attack it in public an watch it at home.
Head banger wrote:
I wonder what hitler and obama think of porn?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry, I have no time for this. There is a White Supremecy rally downtown today and then I am going to watch porn.........
_strat_ wrote:
First, I didnt take it personaly. Ive been here too long for that, and you know it. And, yes I know you didnt write it, and I suspected that it was a joke - tho with certain blogers out there, it could have very well passed as truth.
Now then... I pointed out that there are massive differences between Kenya and the USA, and minimum differences between Austria and Germany. Certainly an Austrian in Germany wouldnt be pounded with so much racist shit as Obama was in the US. That, and Hitlers role in world war 1 had a massive influence on his political views. And of course, Hitler revealed his goals way before he was elected, so people did know what he wanted to do. Maybe they didnt believe that he wouldnt succed... But that is another matter.
Now, my point was to present that there are huge differences between the two - infact that they are much more different than alike.
And again... Nothing personal is meant. You know it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Your first comment is irrelevant. (A country is a country and cultures are not the point)
Your second comment makes NO sense as it is, again not the point. What does fighting in a war have to do with what was written?
Your third and fifth comment are unimportant since the POINT is, no one knew until it was TOO LATE.
And finally, your fourth comment is misguided, as I am merely showing an aptitude for BOTH men to utilize sympathetic audience for political gain, which is really what I was getting at in the FIRST place! As for stupidity..well, it is not my writing so I cannot claim ownership, nor was it a discovery. It is a joke. Leave it to you to take it personally OR make it personal.!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.
Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.
Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.
Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite
Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.
If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????
I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.
I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.
I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.
Most likely attack it in public an watch it at home. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:09:38 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I wonder what hitler and obama think of porn?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry, I have no time for this. There is a White Supremecy rally downtown today and then I am going to watch porn.........
_strat_ wrote:
First, I didnt take it personaly. Ive been here too long for that, and you know it. And, yes I know you didnt write it, and I suspected that it was a joke - tho with certain blogers out there, it could have very well passed as truth.
Now then... I pointed out that there are massive differences between Kenya and the USA, and minimum differences between Austria and Germany. Certainly an Austrian in Germany wouldnt be pounded with so much racist shit as Obama was in the US. That, and Hitlers role in world war 1 had a massive influence on his political views. And of course, Hitler revealed his goals way before he was elected, so people did know what he wanted to do. Maybe they didnt believe that he wouldnt succed... But that is another matter.
Now, my point was to present that there are huge differences between the two - infact that they are much more different than alike.
And again... Nothing personal is meant. You know it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Your first comment is irrelevant. (A country is a country and cultures are not the point)
Your second comment makes NO sense as it is, again not the point. What does fighting in a war have to do with what was written?
Your third and fifth comment are unimportant since the POINT is, no one knew until it was TOO LATE.
And finally, your fourth comment is misguided, as I am merely showing an aptitude for BOTH men to utilize sympathetic audience for political gain, which is really what I was getting at in the FIRST place! As for stupidity..well, it is not my writing so I cannot claim ownership, nor was it a discovery. It is a joke. Leave it to you to take it personally OR make it personal.!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.
Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.
Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.
Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite
Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.
If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????
I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.
I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.
I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.
Ok, enjoy yourself. Burn a cross for me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 12:08:08 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry, I have no time for this. There is a White Supremecy rally downtown today and then I am going to watch porn.........
_strat_ wrote:
First, I didnt take it personaly. Ive been here too long for that, and you know it. And, yes I know you didnt write it, and I suspected that it was a joke - tho with certain blogers out there, it could have very well passed as truth.
Now then... I pointed out that there are massive differences between Kenya and the USA, and minimum differences between Austria and Germany. Certainly an Austrian in Germany wouldnt be pounded with so much racist shit as Obama was in the US. That, and Hitlers role in world war 1 had a massive influence on his political views. And of course, Hitler revealed his goals way before he was elected, so people did know what he wanted to do. Maybe they didnt believe that he wouldnt succed... But that is another matter.
Now, my point was to present that there are huge differences between the two - infact that they are much more different than alike.
And again... Nothing personal is meant. You know it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Your first comment is irrelevant. (A country is a country and cultures are not the point)
Your second comment makes NO sense as it is, again not the point. What does fighting in a war have to do with what was written?
Your third and fifth comment are unimportant since the POINT is, no one knew until it was TOO LATE.
And finally, your fourth comment is misguided, as I am merely showing an aptitude for BOTH men to utilize sympathetic audience for political gain, which is really what I was getting at in the FIRST place! As for stupidity..well, it is not my writing so I cannot claim ownership, nor was it a discovery. It is a joke. Leave it to you to take it personally OR make it personal.!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.
Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.
Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.
Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite
Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.
If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????
I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.
I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.
I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.
First, I didnt take it personaly. Ive been here too long for that, and you know it. And, yes I know you didnt write it, and I suspected that it was a joke - tho with certain blogers out there, it could have very well passed as truth.
Now then... I pointed out that there are massive differences between Kenya and the USA, and minimum differences between Austria and Germany. Certainly an Austrian in Germany wouldnt be pounded with so much racist shit as Obama was in the US. That, and Hitlers role in world war 1 had a massive influence on his political views. And of course, Hitler revealed his goals way before he was elected, so people did know what he wanted to do. Maybe they didnt believe that he wouldnt succed... But that is another matter.
Now, my point was to present that there are huge differences between the two - infact that they are much more different than alike.
And again... Nothing personal is meant. You know it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 13, 2009 11:57:08 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Your first comment is irrelevant. (A country is a country and cultures are not the point)
Your second comment makes NO sense as it is, again not the point. What does fighting in a war have to do with what was written?
Your third and fifth comment are unimportant since the POINT is, no one knew until it was TOO LATE.
And finally, your fourth comment is misguided, as I am merely showing an aptitude for BOTH men to utilize sympathetic audience for political gain, which is really what I was getting at in the FIRST place! As for stupidity..well, it is not my writing so I cannot claim ownership, nor was it a discovery. It is a joke. Leave it to you to take it personally OR make it personal.!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.
Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.
Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.
Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite
Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.
If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????
I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.
I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.
I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.
In any case, I did disagree with the statement that "children need to be spanked from time to time". It was just a difficult choice. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 13, 2009 11:32:41 AM)
Head banger wrote:
so I would be in the left if I am fine with gay mariage?
ok, fine
spanking, if reasonable, and age apropriate, sure. belt, the proverbial too sore to sit for a week, nope
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... Theres a bit of Stalin in all of us...
Anyway, the test is a bit clicheic - If you are not in favour of gay marriage it automaticaly puts you to the right, while ignoring that some rightwingers can be in favour of it.
Personaly, my dillema was the one about spanking children - normaly Im against physichal punishment, but since I live next door to a kindergarten.... It was a difficult choice.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Oddly enough, I am a slight Authoritarian Leftist. Must be my views on sex and the worker vs the corporation. I find myself frequently at odds about these things. Oh well, night all. It's 8:15 and I have to be up in 6 hrs for work.
Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.15
2. Or fight in a war that his side lost, caused his country to go through humiliation and hit the economic rock bottom, which would make him look for scapegoats, like in Hitlers case.
3. ... And free market caused the current crisis. That, tho, has been discussed here over and over again. Probably the most important thing would be that "free market" cant be stuffed inside a cell and showered with poison gas. So, at least Obamas choice of targets is more humane.
4. He was blue eyed... And he was not a Jew, a Slav, or a Roma - which were all to be destroyed according to him.
5. In Mein Kapmf, of course, and on numerous Nazi party rallies, and in his speeches. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 13, 2009 11:23:37 AM)
Head banger wrote:
1 your right.
2 would have been hard for him, not concieved and all, right again
3 half right, hitler was a bonehead. free market is good.
4 strange that hitler suported blond haired blue eyed pale skins while not a member of said club
5 probably but did hitler anounce that plan before the election?
so far, obama seems to have the right ideas on trade anyway.
doesnt everyone brush their teeth with a potatoe?
_strat_ wrote:
First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.
Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.
Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.
Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite
Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.
If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just HAD to share this!! Guess who it is????
I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.
I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.
I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.
Lol... Well, you cannot not hear him, tho. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 13, 2009 11:04:54 AM)
Head banger wrote:
rob subed for dio with sabath once, so why not the reverse. would be cool to see. except its hard to see dio if you dont have good seats. verticaly chalenged he is.
<<<< x >>>> wrote:
Get Ronnie James Dio in , His sung for every F**cker else. Must be his turn by now!!!!!! Oh and by the way Numero Uno - this is a joke in case you don't get it!!!!!"
Anyway, the test is a bit clicheic - If you are not in favour of gay marriage it automaticaly puts you to the right, while ignoring that some rightwingers can be in favour of it.
Personaly, my dillema was the one about spanking children - normaly Im against physichal punishment, but since I live next door to a kindergarten.... It was a difficult choice. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, February 12, 2009 7:17:11 PM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Oddly enough, I am a slight Authoritarian Leftist. Must be my views on sex and the worker vs the corporation. I find myself frequently at odds about these things. Oh well, night all. It's 8:15 and I have to be up in 6 hrs for work.
Economic Left/Right: -1.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.15
First of all - Obamas two countries are US and Kenya - half a world apart, and very different. Hitlers two countries were Austria and Germany - neighbours, identical language, identical culture and in Hitlers time the Austrian national identity was barely developing from the German.
Second of all, Obama didnt fight in World War 1 - Hitler did.
Third of all - Obama blames the right things for the shit (free market in particular) while Hitler chose to be a bonehead and just blame it on the Jews.
Fourth of all - Hitler belonged to an ethnic majority - Obama is the opposite
Fifth of all - Hitler had a vision of a superior race that would take over Europe and wipe out the "untermensch". Obama doesnt.
If we want to we can find similarities between a potato and a toothbrush. But we can always take a better look, and see that your discovery is in essence just plain stupid.
I was born in one country, raised in another. My father was born in another country.
I was not his only child. He fathered several children with numerous women.
I became very close to my mother, as my father showed no interest in me.
My mother died at an early age from cancer.
Later in life, questions arose over my real name.
My birth records were sketchy and no one was able to produce a legitimate, reliable birth certificate.
I grew up practicing one faith but converted to Christianity, as it was widely accepted in my country, but I practiced non-traditional
beliefs & didn't follow Christianity, except in the public eye under scrutiny.
I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult, disguising myself as someone who really cared about them.
That was before I decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a new career.
I wrote a book about my struggles growing up. It was clear to those who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my
father abandoned me as a child.
I became active in local politics in my 30's then with help behind the scenes, I literally burst onto the scene as a candidate for
national office in my 40s. They said I had a golden tongue and could talk anyone into anything. That reinforced my conceit.
I had a virtually non-existent resume, little work history, and no experience in leading a single organization. Yet I was a powerful
speaker and citizens were drawn to me as though I were a magnet and they were small roofing tacks.
I drew incredibly large crowds during my public appearances.
This bolstered my ego.
At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign policy. I was very critical of my country in the last war and
seized every opportunity to bash my country. But what launched my rise to national prominence were my views
on the country's economy. I pretended to have a really good plan on how we could do better and every poor person would be fed & housed for free.
I knew which group was responsible for getting us into this mess. It was the free market, banks & corporations. I decided to start
making citizens hate them & if they were envious of others who did well, the plan was clinched tight.
I called mine "A People's Campaign" and that sounded good to all people. I was the surprise candidate because I emerged from outside
the traditional path of politics & was able to gain widespread popular support. I knew that, if I merely offered the people 'hope' , together
we could change our country and the world. So, I started to make my speeches sound like they were on behalf of the downtrodden, poor,
ignorant to include "persecuted minorities" like the Jews. My true views were not widely known & I needed to keep them unknown, until after I
became my nation's leader.
I had to carefully guard reality, as anybody could have easily found out what I really believed, if they had simply read my writings
and examined those people I associated with. I'm glad they didn't. Then I became the most powerful man in the world. And the
world learned the truth.
Hey there Scorp!! Hope you're getting the chance to get some sun!!!
Good morning friends of Priest!!!
DP...I'm most definately a CUBS fan...though I'm not a Sox hater like most Cub fans...I am truly a fan of both...but I bleed Cubbie Blue...along with Priest and the Bears!!!
scorpion01 wrote:
GOOD EVENING MY FELLOW METAL MANIACS. HOPE EVERYONE IS DOING WELL. MY WEEK DOWN HERE IN FLORIDA IS ALMOST OVER. TOO HOT. I'LL TAKE A 45-50 DEGREE DAY OVER AN 80 DEFREE DAY ANY TIME.
IT HAS BEEN FUN AFTER WORK GOING TO A BAR FOR DINNER, WATCHING SOME HOCKEY AND CHATTING WITH THE LOCALS AND VISITERS.
HAD A GREAT CONVERSATION WITH SOME GUY FROM LONDON ABOUT THE 1970'S METAL SEEN IN THE UK OVER A COPUPLE OF PINTS OF ANCHOR STEAM BEER.
THE DAYS HAVE BEEN LONG, BUT THE AUDIT HAS GONE FAIRLY SMOOTH SO FAR.
THERE ARE PLEANTY OF GOOD RADIO STATIONS DOWN HERE. UNLIKE NEW YORK WHERE RADIO SUCKS.
It does? Well, IDK the title, but I know that the artist is called Special Ed! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Wednesday, February 11, 2009 1:53:28 PM)
Well, Kmacians are not all female, but I think theres a fair amount of virgins among them... Knock yourself out! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:18:05 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
Read into the Nick....i OWN the undead legions....and b4 u ask...yes i drink blood...only from willing female virgins tho...
Deal! You now officialy minister for Darth Painkiller purging! Well... Go purge him! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, February 11, 2009 4:05:16 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
OK - i'll be a loyal subject as long as u join my legions of the undead after u die.....lol
I president for life! Better than emporerator! Join Gloriuos nation of Stratistan, yes? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:37:00 PM)
Necroticist wrote:
Hmm...never realised u had a kingdom...when u make emporer i'll get back to ya...lol. Necro - Hells Emissary On Earth.
bla bla bla bla....tu tu rururu ruu tutu....tututut....ururururu...rurururur...tutututututu...tutururu...mmm...what's next? I've forgotten the lyrics....oh wait...it is tutururu rururu tututu...tututu...rurururu...tutututu...rurururu
Billy Joels "We didnt start the fire" would fit in with your scenery right now... Sry... Couldnt help myself. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, February 11, 2009 7:18:57 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Oooh yeah, hey I played Dr love in the car whilst with my partner... I don't have to tell you what happened when i stopped at the traffic lights. ..... So call me.... Dr Love... Hahaha
Gimme WASP or Kiss any time of day...
I'm not listening to anything right now cos everyone's asleep... gonna go to bed soon and play my MP3.... what shall i listen to ??
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL...Me thinks DC likes any song that is blatantly sexual in nature.
ronhartsell wrote:
The Ripper...Priest
Wassup Devils Child?? like that song, eh??
devils_child wrote:
WOO WOO..... I'm gonna go youtube it right now.......
Ehm... The libertarian left is the green box. The purple one is lib. right! Gulag and reeducation for you!Well, it could be worse, tho. You could be in the upper right box, which is where Im guessing Freeze is.
But since you dont like Bush, I guess we can cut the sentence down a bit. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:35:00 PM)
spapad wrote:
Strat, I am not at the bottom of the little purple box. I'm somewhat near the upper right hand corner of it.
_strat_ wrote:
DONT LISTEN TO THE REPUBLICAN!!! He is evil, evil I say! And it means that you are on my side. Good, because Im in a desperate need for some allies here!
spapad wrote:
Turns out I lean towards a liberaterian left. Now, if I only knew exactly what that means, no I didn't read the results just looked at the pictures! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... You cant get rid of me that easy, when it comes to politics... If you get a result like that, then you will have to explain why are you a centrist and a third way - ist!
spapad wrote:
HA!! I gonna go take that test Strat and when the results come back 0,0,0,0, you'll know why I don't comment too much down here. LOL
Basicly, it gives you a whole bunch of questions, ranging from economy, social issues, ect. and determines your political standing. The special thing is that it does not only determine the usual "left - right" division, but also your standing on libertarian vs. authoritarian, which gives imo a much better picture.
Now... Anyone up for it? I took it. Results:
-9,50
-7,13
Which place me firmly in the bottom left quadrant of the libertarian left.
DONT LISTEN TO THE REPUBLICAN!!! He is evil, evil I say! And it means that you are on my side. Good, because Im in a desperate need for some allies here!
Turns out I lean towards a liberaterian left. Now, if I only knew exactly what that means, no I didn't read the results just looked at the pictures! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Lol... No, no, no... You cant get rid of me that easy, when it comes to politics... If you get a result like that, then you will have to explain why are you a centrist and a third way - ist!
spapad wrote:
HA!! I gonna go take that test Strat and when the results come back 0,0,0,0, you'll know why I don't comment too much down here. LOL
Basicly, it gives you a whole bunch of questions, ranging from economy, social issues, ect. and determines your political standing. The special thing is that it does not only determine the usual "left - right" division, but also your standing on libertarian vs. authoritarian, which gives imo a much better picture.
Now... Anyone up for it? I took it. Results:
-9,50
-7,13
Which place me firmly in the bottom left quadrant of the libertarian left.
BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!! Yes! I guess we do!! YOU are great, dude!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Their instrument is the turntable. Anyway... admitedly, some of what I said was assuming. Inacurately.
Ok, I guess then that there is nothing more to say. The thread can return to normal...
Oh, and since you do not like country - we at least agree on something.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Spherical shapes aside, it is clear that you still do not get it, OR you simply love to irritate me! Never suggested that I would "measure" intelligence by musical selection. I used illustrative phrasing to accentuate a point. Secondly, I said: I readily admit that there are some incredible musicians still out there. I do not want you to "defend " anyone or anything nor do I believe that ALL Pop music is crap.
Next, you said : They make music by sampling, mixing, record "scratching" and all sort of different techniques.NO. They do not "make" music, they play music someone else has "made". There is a difference. They do not write notes on paper. They do not pick up an instrument and play the notes. They push a button and play someone else's effort. Now, I also understand that there are some true musicians that are "DJs". Great. But being a DJ is NOT akin to being a musician. It is not the same. And you're right. Cavemen probably did create the first music!
As for the "buying public", I still say they are, by and large, idiots. If this was not accurate, more than half of the so-called "artists" would not exist. They offer nothing but audio-trash, a large portion of which is high jacked (recorded) from true musicians' material (songs) and "re-mixed" (stolen), then labeled a song. There ARE many very talented and relevant musicians in today's music. There. I said it again.
There are many different kinds of music and Metal is not the only one which I enjoy. (Please see the What Are You Listening To thread). I enjoy Metal the most. I love R& B. I love Motown. Not too thrilled with Country, but I digress. You are younger than I and certainly closer to the people that enjoy the things we discussed earlier. I have always found you to be engaging and opinionated. I love that. I also will not be changing my definition of musician any time soon.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:23:42 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, I join everyone else with the best wishes for Necros wife.
Second of all I turn to Freeze. Is the world round? Come on, there has to be something we agree on... In any case, I bet that music in general did start with a caveman banging two bones or rocks together. Maybe they were the height of substance and musicianship in their day? IDK... Doesnt really matter anyway. But, the DJs (and youre right - I am knowledgable in this field - I went to school with plenty of people who like that kind of music) dont just "play records". They make music by sampling, mixing, record "scratching" and all sort of different techniques. Even singing and making their own beats to sample and mix. The best DJs posses a lot of skill and musicianship - or they wouldnt be the best. They have a great sense of time and rythm (because thats what their music is basicly all about).
Now... I dont really like their music, and I have to congratulate you on your achievement. You actually have me defending them! Now, people who buy into their music (or any other non-metal music for that matter) are certainly not idiots that slobber all over anything that the music industry puts out. I mean, first of all, music tastes are not the way to measure someones intelligence. Second of all, music is not divided into "stupid" and "metal".
Oh, and even some pop stars have good quality music... Maybe not really complicated, but good quality. SImply because they can afford to hire the best musicians out there.
Oh, and hair... I think that someone called "father time" is stealing them.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Strat! You are killing me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look, I suppose that, if you really dig, you can find something "special" about almost anything. In music, I suppose you could make a case for banging two bones together. Would I start handing out awards for doing so? Doubtful. However, if there were to suddenly be a huge public following for a group called..say, "Ook and the Ug Ugs", and they had a new hit "song" called Screaming for Mammoth and became world famous for their "searing" dual-bone leads", I guess I would have to say you have something there. I am sure the public would slobber all over that CD.
My point regarding "DJs" has more to do with the act of playing records becoming an "art" than it does whatever skill they may..or may NOT, possess. At the end of the day, it is still just playing records. It is not being a musician. As a younger person, perhaps you are far more knowledgable in this than me? Could be. I have seen it on TV...just like NASCAR..HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tip of the hat to Tom and 'Days of Thunder') In any event, whether or not I appreciate it, it appears that there are those that will follow it..much like our caveman band I mentioned previously. I do not have to "appreciate" it.
I stand by my previous post. The world of music is far from talented in so much as musicianship these days. Having said this, I readily admit that there are some incredible musicians still out there. It's just that the "talent pool" has been watered down courtesy of a public that likes....cave songs.
Now then, who took my hair??........HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, Freeze.... What would you do without me? Ok, topics aside, what of talent, writing, singing, musicianship... IDK, many people dont see anything special in the music we listen to. Many people who like those DJs cant appreciate a good guitar solo. Maybe they dont know how to appreciate it? Does that make the virtuoso guitarists that play heavy metal any less good? On the other hand, does the lack of our appreciation fot the DJs make them any less good than they are? What if we arent able to appreciate what they do? There certainly is something to that music. They are not just "putting the records on the turntable and pressing buttons". There is, as in any music a certain amount of skill involved.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH???????
I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.
Spherical shapes aside, it is clear that you still do not get it, OR you simply love to irritate me! Never suggested that I would "measure" intelligence by musical selection. I used illustrative phrasing to accentuate a point. Secondly, I said: I readily admit that there are some incredible musicians still out there. I do not want you to "defend " anyone or anything nor do I believe that ALL Pop music is crap.
Next, you said : They make music by sampling, mixing, record "scratching" and all sort of different techniques.NO. They do not "make" music, they play music someone else has "made". There is a difference. They do not write notes on paper. They do not pick up an instrument and play the notes. They push a button and play someone else's effort. Now, I also understand that there are some true musicians that are "DJs". Great. But being a DJ is NOT akin to being a musician. It is not the same. And you're right. Cavemen probably did create the first music!
As for the "buying public", I still say they are, by and large, idiots. If this was not accurate, more than half of the so-called "artists" would not exist. They offer nothing but audio-trash, a large portion of which is high jacked (recorded) from true musicians' material (songs) and "re-mixed" (stolen), then labeled a song. There ARE many very talented and relevant musicians in today's music. There. I said it again.
There are many different kinds of music and Metal is not the only one which I enjoy. (Please see the What Are You Listening To thread). I enjoy Metal the most. I love R& B. I love Motown. Not too thrilled with Country, but I digress. You are younger than I and certainly closer to the people that enjoy the things we discussed earlier. I have always found you to be engaging and opinionated. I love that. I also will not be changing my definition of musician any time soon.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:23:42 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, I join everyone else with the best wishes for Necros wife.
Second of all I turn to Freeze. Is the world round? Come on, there has to be something we agree on... In any case, I bet that music in general did start with a caveman banging two bones or rocks together. Maybe they were the height of substance and musicianship in their day? IDK... Doesnt really matter anyway. But, the DJs (and youre right - I am knowledgable in this field - I went to school with plenty of people who like that kind of music) dont just "play records". They make music by sampling, mixing, record "scratching" and all sort of different techniques. Even singing and making their own beats to sample and mix. The best DJs posses a lot of skill and musicianship - or they wouldnt be the best. They have a great sense of time and rythm (because thats what their music is basicly all about).
Now... I dont really like their music, and I have to congratulate you on your achievement. You actually have me defending them! Now, people who buy into their music (or any other non-metal music for that matter) are certainly not idiots that slobber all over anything that the music industry puts out. I mean, first of all, music tastes are not the way to measure someones intelligence. Second of all, music is not divided into "stupid" and "metal".
Oh, and even some pop stars have good quality music... Maybe not really complicated, but good quality. SImply because they can afford to hire the best musicians out there.
Oh, and hair... I think that someone called "father time" is stealing them.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Strat! You are killing me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look, I suppose that, if you really dig, you can find something "special" about almost anything. In music, I suppose you could make a case for banging two bones together. Would I start handing out awards for doing so? Doubtful. However, if there were to suddenly be a huge public following for a group called..say, "Ook and the Ug Ugs", and they had a new hit "song" called Screaming for Mammoth and became world famous for their "searing" dual-bone leads", I guess I would have to say you have something there. I am sure the public would slobber all over that CD.
My point regarding "DJs" has more to do with the act of playing records becoming an "art" than it does whatever skill they may..or may NOT, possess. At the end of the day, it is still just playing records. It is not being a musician. As a younger person, perhaps you are far more knowledgable in this than me? Could be. I have seen it on TV...just like NASCAR..HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tip of the hat to Tom and 'Days of Thunder') In any event, whether or not I appreciate it, it appears that there are those that will follow it..much like our caveman band I mentioned previously. I do not have to "appreciate" it.
I stand by my previous post. The world of music is far from talented in so much as musicianship these days. Having said this, I readily admit that there are some incredible musicians still out there. It's just that the "talent pool" has been watered down courtesy of a public that likes....cave songs.
Now then, who took my hair??........HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, Freeze.... What would you do without me? Ok, topics aside, what of talent, writing, singing, musicianship... IDK, many people dont see anything special in the music we listen to. Many people who like those DJs cant appreciate a good guitar solo. Maybe they dont know how to appreciate it? Does that make the virtuoso guitarists that play heavy metal any less good? On the other hand, does the lack of our appreciation fot the DJs make them any less good than they are? What if we arent able to appreciate what they do? There certainly is something to that music. They are not just "putting the records on the turntable and pressing buttons". There is, as in any music a certain amount of skill involved.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH???????
I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.
Well, I kinda liked a certain Prodigy number called "Smack my bitch up". I will keep the reasons to myself. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:37:38 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Glad to you back Necro...best wishes for you and yours!!!!
Hey Strat...I agree with you...I liked that song 'I kissed a girl'!!!!!!!! woohoo!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, first of all, I join everyone else with the best wishes for Necros wife.
Second of all I turn to Freeze. Is the world round? Come on, there has to be something we agree on... In any case, I bet that music in general did start with a caveman banging two bones or rocks together. Maybe they were the height of substance and musicianship in their day? IDK... Doesnt really matter anyway. But, the DJs (and youre right - I am knowledgable in this field - I went to school with plenty of people who like that kind of music) dont just "play records". They make music by sampling, mixing, record "scratching" and all sort of different techniques. Even singing and making their own beats to sample and mix. The best DJs posses a lot of skill and musicianship - or they wouldnt be the best. They have a great sense of time and rythm (because thats what their music is basicly all about).
Now... I dont really like their music, and I have to congratulate you on your achievement. You actually have me defending them! Now, people who buy into their music (or any other non-metal music for that matter) are certainly not idiots that slobber all over anything that the music industry puts out. I mean, first of all, music tastes are not the way to measure someones intelligence. Second of all, music is not divided into "stupid" and "metal".
Oh, and even some pop stars have good quality music... Maybe not really complicated, but good quality. SImply because they can afford to hire the best musicians out there.
Oh, and hair... I think that someone called "father time" is stealing them.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Strat! You are killing me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look, I suppose that, if you really dig, you can find something "special" about almost anything. In music, I suppose you could make a case for banging two bones together. Would I start handing out awards for doing so? Doubtful. However, if there were to suddenly be a huge public following for a group called..say, "Ook and the Ug Ugs", and they had a new hit "song" called Screaming for Mammoth and became world famous for their "searing" dual-bone leads", I guess I would have to say you have something there. I am sure the public would slobber all over that CD.
My point regarding "DJs" has more to do with the act of playing records becoming an "art" than it does whatever skill they may..or may NOT, possess. At the end of the day, it is still just playing records. It is not being a musician. As a younger person, perhaps you are far more knowledgable in this than me? Could be. I have seen it on TV...just like NASCAR..HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tip of the hat to Tom and 'Days of Thunder') In any event, whether or not I appreciate it, it appears that there are those that will follow it..much like our caveman band I mentioned previously. I do not have to "appreciate" it.
I stand by my previous post. The world of music is far from talented in so much as musicianship these days. Having said this, I readily admit that there are some incredible musicians still out there. It's just that the "talent pool" has been watered down courtesy of a public that likes....cave songs.
Now then, who took my hair??........HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, Freeze.... What would you do without me? Ok, topics aside, what of talent, writing, singing, musicianship... IDK, many people dont see anything special in the music we listen to. Many people who like those DJs cant appreciate a good guitar solo. Maybe they dont know how to appreciate it? Does that make the virtuoso guitarists that play heavy metal any less good? On the other hand, does the lack of our appreciation fot the DJs make them any less good than they are? What if we arent able to appreciate what they do? There certainly is something to that music. They are not just "putting the records on the turntable and pressing buttons". There is, as in any music a certain amount of skill involved.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH???????
I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.
Lol... No, no, no... You cant get rid of me that easy, when it comes to politics... If you get a result like that, then you will have to explain why are you a centrist and a third way - ist! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 5:35:44 PM)
spapad wrote:
HA!! I gonna go take that test Strat and when the results come back 0,0,0,0, you'll know why I don't comment too much down here. LOL
Basicly, it gives you a whole bunch of questions, ranging from economy, social issues, ect. and determines your political standing. The special thing is that it does not only determine the usual "left - right" division, but also your standing on libertarian vs. authoritarian, which gives imo a much better picture.
Now... Anyone up for it? I took it. Results:
-9,50
-7,13
Which place me firmly in the bottom left quadrant of the libertarian left.
Basicly, it gives you a whole bunch of questions, ranging from economy, social issues, ect. and determines your political standing. The special thing is that it does not only determine the usual "left - right" division, but also your standing on libertarian vs. authoritarian, which gives imo a much better picture.
Now... Anyone up for it? I took it. Results:
-9,50
-7,13
Which place me firmly in the bottom left quadrant of the libertarian left.
Well, first of all, I join everyone else with the best wishes for Necros wife.
Second of all I turn to Freeze. Is the world round? Come on, there has to be something we agree on... In any case, I bet that music in general did start with a caveman banging two bones or rocks together. Maybe they were the height of substance and musicianship in their day? IDK... Doesnt really matter anyway. But, the DJs (and youre right - I am knowledgable in this field - I went to school with plenty of people who like that kind of music) dont just "play records". They make music by sampling, mixing, record "scratching" and all sort of different techniques. Even singing and making their own beats to sample and mix. The best DJs posses a lot of skill and musicianship - or they wouldnt be the best. They have a great sense of time and rythm (because thats what their music is basicly all about).
Now... I dont really like their music, and I have to congratulate you on your achievement. You actually have me defending them! Now, people who buy into their music (or any other non-metal music for that matter) are certainly not idiots that slobber all over anything that the music industry puts out. I mean, first of all, music tastes are not the way to measure someones intelligence. Second of all, music is not divided into "stupid" and "metal".
Oh, and even some pop stars have good quality music... Maybe not really complicated, but good quality. SImply because they can afford to hire the best musicians out there.
Oh, and hair... I think that someone called "father time" is stealing them.
Strat! You are killing me!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Look, I suppose that, if you really dig, you can find something "special" about almost anything. In music, I suppose you could make a case for banging two bones together. Would I start handing out awards for doing so? Doubtful. However, if there were to suddenly be a huge public following for a group called..say, "Ook and the Ug Ugs", and they had a new hit "song" called Screaming for Mammoth and became world famous for their "searing" dual-bone leads", I guess I would have to say you have something there. I am sure the public would slobber all over that CD.
My point regarding "DJs" has more to do with the act of playing records becoming an "art" than it does whatever skill they may..or may NOT, possess. At the end of the day, it is still just playing records. It is not being a musician. As a younger person, perhaps you are far more knowledgable in this than me? Could be. I have seen it on TV...just like NASCAR..HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (tip of the hat to Tom and 'Days of Thunder') In any event, whether or not I appreciate it, it appears that there are those that will follow it..much like our caveman band I mentioned previously. I do not have to "appreciate" it.
I stand by my previous post. The world of music is far from talented in so much as musicianship these days. Having said this, I readily admit that there are some incredible musicians still out there. It's just that the "talent pool" has been watered down courtesy of a public that likes....cave songs.
Now then, who took my hair??........HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, Freeze.... What would you do without me? Ok, topics aside, what of talent, writing, singing, musicianship... IDK, many people dont see anything special in the music we listen to. Many people who like those DJs cant appreciate a good guitar solo. Maybe they dont know how to appreciate it? Does that make the virtuoso guitarists that play heavy metal any less good? On the other hand, does the lack of our appreciation fot the DJs make them any less good than they are? What if we arent able to appreciate what they do? There certainly is something to that music. They are not just "putting the records on the turntable and pressing buttons". There is, as in any music a certain amount of skill involved.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH???????
I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.
Nope. Still dont get it. Nevermind, anyway - maybe its better that I dont.
In any case, Freeze really needs me - to keep him in line. I almost got him to swear a couple of times! Imagine what would it be like if there was no more... me? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:36:00 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
He wouldn't need the cat stealing his hair! I thought that was obvious....my bad.
_strat_ wrote:
? What wouldnt he need? The hair? The cat?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL...What would Freeze do without you, Strat? For starters, he probably wouldn't need this:
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, Freeze.... What would you do without me? Ok, topics aside, what of talent, writing, singing, musicianship... IDK, many people dont see anything special in the music we listen to. Many people who like those DJs cant appreciate a good guitar solo. Maybe they dont know how to appreciate it? Does that make the virtuoso guitarists that play heavy metal any less good? On the other hand, does the lack of our appreciation fot the DJs make them any less good than they are? What if we arent able to appreciate what they do? There certainly is something to that music. They are not just "putting the records on the turntable and pressing buttons". There is, as in any music a certain amount of skill involved.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH???????
I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.
? What wouldnt he need? The hair? The cat? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, February 10, 2009 4:25:20 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
LOL...What would Freeze do without you, Strat? For starters, he probably wouldn't need this:
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, Freeze.... What would you do without me? Ok, topics aside, what of talent, writing, singing, musicianship... IDK, many people dont see anything special in the music we listen to. Many people who like those DJs cant appreciate a good guitar solo. Maybe they dont know how to appreciate it? Does that make the virtuoso guitarists that play heavy metal any less good? On the other hand, does the lack of our appreciation fot the DJs make them any less good than they are? What if we arent able to appreciate what they do? There certainly is something to that music. They are not just "putting the records on the turntable and pressing buttons". There is, as in any music a certain amount of skill involved.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH???????
I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.
Hmm... If he gets Hiddink, we may be in for it ("we" Chelsea haters...lol). I remeber how the Russians were at the Euro with Hiddink - they kicked some major ass. We will see... I hope Hiddink says no to the Russian in Chelsea, and continues with the Russian Russians. Those guys really deserve to do well at the world cup next year.
Breaking news Scolari has been sacked!!!!!! i believe he should have been given more of a chance but hey its tough business. the Russian wants Gus Hiddink & there are many others rumoured to take the spot. can chelsea still win any titles or is it too late? any opinions?
Lol, Freeze.... What would you do without me? Ok, topics aside, what of talent, writing, singing, musicianship... IDK, many people dont see anything special in the music we listen to. Many people who like those DJs cant appreciate a good guitar solo. Maybe they dont know how to appreciate it? Does that make the virtuoso guitarists that play heavy metal any less good? On the other hand, does the lack of our appreciation fot the DJs make them any less good than they are? What if we arent able to appreciate what they do? There certainly is something to that music. They are not just "putting the records on the turntable and pressing buttons". There is, as in any music a certain amount of skill involved. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 09, 2009 5:04:08 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Arrrggghh! OK, once again, I will explain myself. (I seem to do that a lot around here) My comment regarding substance had nothing to do with drugs, love songs or any other particular topic!! Ye GODS!! I was referring to the lack of ability, musicianship and/or talent required to "write" and "sing" such drivel. And moreso when it comes to what passes for Pop/Hip Hop "music". As I have said countless times, the ability to rhyme a series of words in sequence and jump up and down to a "beat" (most often furnished by a recorded sound and NOT a musician) does NOT make one an "artist", much less a "musician"!!!!!! Further more, just when did it become an "art" to play a record??? I have seen multiple "artists" that claim to be "famous" DJ's. SO FRIGGIN WHAT??!?!?!? "Oh! Look at me!! I can put a record on a turntable and play it!! WOW!!! I am talented and a musician now!!" HUH???????
I have complained so many times about the lack of real musical talent in the world and it seems to get worse every year. Musicianship, to me, is actually being able to write music, play an instrument or sing on key! Putting a record on a mechanical device and pushing a button is NOT musicianship!! I did as much in my room at 10 years of age!! Had I any clue then that I was a pioneering artist, I should think I would have grabbed my record player and made my first million!! Little did I know that the NIMRODS we refer to as the "public" were going to be amazed by such a craft! I missed out on the "pet rock", too.
Probably. They are a very perspective young band. They need encouragement. I sure hope that we will be hearing a LOT more from them [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 09, 2009 3:57:58 PM)
Head banger wrote:
Dragonforce might make more use out of the grammy than Priest, but none of the bands there realy needs it.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Ive been thinking. I guess that its to each his own here. I guess theres plenty of Dragonforce fans jumping ten feet in the air, saying exactly the same things about Metallica as are being said here... IDK, if Priest or Dragonforce won, wouldnt the Metallica fans be doing the same? So... Whos right here? Lets face it, there were plenty of competitors in the two fields where Priest appeared - and only two prizes. As it happens Metallica took both of them. Ok. Someone had to win. As has been said before, Priest dont need the Grammy. Dragonforce dont either. Metallica the least of all, if truth be told. They will all go on making music for their fans - as is right. Because at the end of the day, its not what the people who give grammies like - its what fans like.
IDK about Metallicas twists and turns. I never paid much attention to them. Slayer and Megadeth - thats all the Trash I need. But... Metallica are, if we get down to it, probably the most succesfull band in commercial terms. Like I said before - if a non-metal fan thinks of metal, one of the first associations he/she will get is Metallica. Maybe, they do deserve that prize more than Priest do - it is after all about marketing, as has also been said before. Metallica are better at it than Priest. As for music... Well, we like Priest, obviously, thats why were here. Someone else likes Metallica. If we did a vote, Metallica fans would probably heavily outnumber us. Personal preferences.
Oh, and I have to comment on the issue of "substance" and "idiots who listen to Britney Spears"... I never saw any more substance in "Thunder road" than Ive seen in "Hit me Baby one more time". One song is about driving, the other about teenage love. Different topics, thats what it is... Maybe were just tired of listening to songs about love? I sure am... Thats why I listen to metal. I think Rob said once that there are too many love songs on the radio... Well, he was right. Im sick of it, so I listen to other stuff. Metal stuff. Love songs, but outnumbered by songs about monsters, mysticism, battles, stuff like that... BUT, I would never call someone who listens to Britney an idiot. Now, Britney herself is another story, but her fans... Well, we cant say that all Priest fans are cool either. Just look at how many republicans we have here (j/k).
Thats how old farts do it -when shit hits the fan -send in the youngest! My condolences, Scott... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Monday, February 09, 2009 2:52:39 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
WELL ONE THING SEEMS TO BE ALL THE BUZZ ABOUT THE GRAMMYS...NOMINEE CHRIS BROWN,WHOEVER THE HELL THAT IS (AND THE FACT THAT I'M A HARD ROCK/METAL GUY,I'D BE EMBARRASED TO KNOW THAT MUSIC ANYWAY) WAS CHARGED WITH ALLEGED
FELONY BATTERY ON A WOMAN....I'LL BETCHA IT'S HIPPITY HOPPITY,DIPPITY DOOPITY,BACKWARD-HAT-WEARIN',MULTIPLE-GOLD CHAIN-WEARIN',YO-YO-YO,SIZE 60 JEANS-WEARIN' MUSIC RELATED......
THE GRAMMYS....
ROB>...GLENN>...IAN> ...K.K.>...ALL SITTIN' AT HOME THINKIN' ABOUT TRAVIS DRAWING THE SHORT STRAW AND HAVING TO SIT THROUGH THE GRAMMMMA'S...
Well... Ive been thinking. I guess that its to each his own here. I guess theres plenty of Dragonforce fans jumping ten feet in the air, saying exactly the same things about Metallica as are being said here... IDK, if Priest or Dragonforce won, wouldnt the Metallica fans be doing the same? So... Whos right here? Lets face it, there were plenty of competitors in the two fields where Priest appeared - and only two prizes. As it happens Metallica took both of them. Ok. Someone had to win. As has been said before, Priest dont need the Grammy. Dragonforce dont either. Metallica the least of all, if truth be told. They will all go on making music for their fans - as is right. Because at the end of the day, its not what the people who give grammies like - its what fans like.
IDK about Metallicas twists and turns. I never paid much attention to them. Slayer and Megadeth - thats all the Trash I need. But... Metallica are, if we get down to it, probably the most succesfull band in commercial terms. Like I said before - if a non-metal fan thinks of metal, one of the first associations he/she will get is Metallica. Maybe, they do deserve that prize more than Priest do - it is after all about marketing, as has also been said before. Metallica are better at it than Priest. As for music... Well, we like Priest, obviously, thats why were here. Someone else likes Metallica. If we did a vote, Metallica fans would probably heavily outnumber us. Personal preferences.
Oh, and I have to comment on the issue of "substance" and "idiots who listen to Britney Spears"... I never saw any more substance in "Thunder road" than Ive seen in "Hit me Baby one more time". One song is about driving, the other about teenage love. Different topics, thats what it is... Maybe were just tired of listening to songs about love? I sure am... Thats why I listen to metal. I think Rob said once that there are too many love songs on the radio... Well, he was right. Im sick of it, so I listen to other stuff. Metal stuff. Love songs, but outnumbered by songs about monsters, mysticism, battles, stuff like that... BUT, I would never call someone who listens to Britney an idiot. Now, Britney herself is another story, but her fans... Well, we cant say that all Priest fans are cool either. Just look at how many republicans we have here (j/k).
Well... I might as well join the post mortum. Didnt watch the Grammies - too late in our timezone - but I looked up the results right now. Well... I was seriously hoping that if JP doesnt get shit, at least a decent band like Dragonforce would. Yeah, right. If a non-metal person thinks of metal, what do they think of first? Metallica, thats what. "Ooooooh! Metallica! Thats so metal! It says so in their name!" And the results are a confirmation of that...
But, on the bright side... Plant got something, as did Springsteen and Satriani, so I guess that those that voted for them can be spared from the firing squad. As for the rest... Fire away.
Actualy, they were he - one and the same person. Some are persistent... But Im told that he has an IP ban now, so he cant do anything to get around it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:28:15 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
poor bastard...I thought about it...and that may be war machine's situation too....
_strat_ wrote:
You mean blood red skies? Banned from the forum for stalking, insulting, and general shitdisturbing.
paorcamp wrote:
oh....what happened to these boys down there to have -100 respect points,messages banned and being ignored by everybody???
You mean blood red skies? Banned from the forum for stalking, insulting, and general shitdisturbing. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paorcamp from Sunday, February 08, 2009 4:21:46 PM)
paorcamp wrote:
oh....what happened to these boys down there to have -100 respect points,messages banned and being ignored by everybody???
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It Cannuck!!!!! Kill it! Kill it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, February 08, 2009 2:40:41 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I am sure that the weekest kmacian woman, on her worst day could kick the crap out of said mutt!!!
spapad wrote:
Cannuck Catcher needs to buy Kamacian Woman so he can be sewn up in bed at night and set on fire. Then maybe Cannuck give second thoughts to bartering women.
_strat_ wrote:
Cannuck catcher gratefull for that too - Cannuck catcher been shot at in woods for being taken for bear! Cannuck catcher lose wife like that... But, is ok, he buy new one!
spapad wrote:
Cannuck Catcher could stand a ride on "Bones" machine, it would maybe get rid of some of that excessive body hair. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
It better - Cannuck catcher will be gratefull for ride! He not have ride ever since his horse lose dignity (it been touched in a very bad place).
guitardude wrote:
How`s that?
_strat_ wrote:
You may want to post that pic again - all there is is a little red cross on a little piece of paper.
guitardude wrote:
Ya know, even though he`s a "doof", I thought it may be nice to offer a ride to the "Cannuck Catcher" as you call him. But I think it may be a bit uncomfortable for him!!
Apparently its also legal in six other countries... Among them Switzerland, Thailand, and two US states. The Swiss have a clinic where foreigners can come for euthanasia.
And yeah, Dutch are right. I always thought that in cases like these, the worst thing you can do is ban it. Then you guarantee that there will be a black market for it.
true, the dutch will legalize anything, and are probably right with most things they do, that way.
the girls wishes, the familys wishes and the wishes of most people get trampled on.
I mentioned the evil dollar earlier, because ultimatly, all these decisions have a cost, either in cost to the family in a user pay system like the states, or in cost to society like in a socialized system.
_strat_ wrote:
Agreed - outlawed here too. I think that only the Dutch have legalised it so far... But they legalise just about anything.
And in any case, before she fell in the coma, the girl expressed the wish not to be kept on machines, should it come to that.
Head banger wrote:
over here its just totaly outlawed. sad. when a person cant live, they should be able to die.
_strat_ wrote:
Scrap economics, thats the least of the concern here. But, I agree, its cruel, its backwards, its... Typical for the Catholic church. I guess the Panzer Pope is not content with having people live the way he wants them, he wants them to die the way he wants it too.
Head banger wrote:
IMO, making someone suffer that long is insane, prolonging it is just cruel to both the family and the person, not to mention an economicly silly idea. but toss economics, its cruel.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Maybe a new topic? The shit in Italy comes to mind... A girl has had an accident in 1992, and has been in a coma since. Now, after her father went through hell in proving that there is no chance she can wake up again, they have finaly started to gradualy stop her feeding, and in effect perform euthanasia. But... The Catholic church, along with the neo-fascist prime minister Berlusconni started their usual shit about the "sancity of life", and are trying to pass laws that would prevent euthanasia.
Opinions? Mine is that they should let her family decide.
Cannuck catcher gratefull for that too - Cannuck catcher been shot at in woods for being taken for bear! Cannuck catcher lose wife like that... But, is ok, he buy new one! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, February 07, 2009 6:17:32 PM)
spapad wrote:
Cannuck Catcher could stand a ride on "Bones" machine, it would maybe get rid of some of that excessive body hair. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
It better - Cannuck catcher will be gratefull for ride! He not have ride ever since his horse lose dignity (it been touched in a very bad place).
guitardude wrote:
How`s that?
_strat_ wrote:
You may want to post that pic again - all there is is a little red cross on a little piece of paper.
guitardude wrote:
Ya know, even though he`s a "doof", I thought it may be nice to offer a ride to the "Cannuck Catcher" as you call him. But I think it may be a bit uncomfortable for him!!
over here its just totaly outlawed. sad. when a person cant live, they should be able to die.
_strat_ wrote:
Scrap economics, thats the least of the concern here. But, I agree, its cruel, its backwards, its... Typical for the Catholic church. I guess the Panzer Pope is not content with having people live the way he wants them, he wants them to die the way he wants it too.
Head banger wrote:
IMO, making someone suffer that long is insane, prolonging it is just cruel to both the family and the person, not to mention an economicly silly idea. but toss economics, its cruel.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Maybe a new topic? The shit in Italy comes to mind... A girl has had an accident in 1992, and has been in a coma since. Now, after her father went through hell in proving that there is no chance she can wake up again, they have finaly started to gradualy stop her feeding, and in effect perform euthanasia. But... The Catholic church, along with the neo-fascist prime minister Berlusconni started their usual shit about the "sancity of life", and are trying to pass laws that would prevent euthanasia.
Opinions? Mine is that they should let her family decide.
It better - Cannuck catcher will be gratefull for ride! He not have ride ever since his horse lose dignity (it been touched in a very bad place). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:20:46 PM)
guitardude wrote:
How`s that?
_strat_ wrote:
You may want to post that pic again - all there is is a little red cross on a little piece of paper.
guitardude wrote:
Ya know, even though he`s a "doof", I thought it may be nice to offer a ride to the "Cannuck Catcher" as you call him. But I think it may be a bit uncomfortable for him!!
Scrap economics, thats the least of the concern here. But, I agree, its cruel, its backwards, its... Typical for the Catholic church. I guess the Panzer Pope is not content with having people live the way he wants them, he wants them to die the way he wants it too. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:05:02 PM)
Head banger wrote:
IMO, making someone suffer that long is insane, prolonging it is just cruel to both the family and the person, not to mention an economicly silly idea. but toss economics, its cruel.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Maybe a new topic? The shit in Italy comes to mind... A girl has had an accident in 1992, and has been in a coma since. Now, after her father went through hell in proving that there is no chance she can wake up again, they have finaly started to gradualy stop her feeding, and in effect perform euthanasia. But... The Catholic church, along with the neo-fascist prime minister Berlusconni started their usual shit about the "sancity of life", and are trying to pass laws that would prevent euthanasia.
Opinions? Mine is that they should let her family decide.
You may want to post that pic again - all there is is a little red cross on a little piece of paper. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:59:16 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Ya know, even though he`s a "doof", I thought it may be nice to offer a ride to the "Cannuck Catcher" as you call him. But I think it may be a bit uncomfortable for him!!
Cannuck catcher can do yanks to... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, February 07, 2009 4:54:47 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Yes, I know you are just playing the part Strat, so no worries!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah. Why dont you GTFO, so the little brat..erm king can come back?
guitardude wrote:
He need not be here to be admired and respected by his faithful followers, that my friend, is part of his charm. Should his presence be required, he will be available to any of his faithful. It`s the wicked and less than trustworthy he seeks to shun. Any further questions?
_strat_ wrote:
Is not true! Our womens are treated ok! When I buy wife, I treat her nice, we make love whenever I like!
Where is your king anyway? Havent seen him in ages!
guitardude wrote:
Because our young Scottish King is wise to the ways of the world and allows us our freedoms to do as we please, when we please!!
Should we over step our boundaries, then we all know justice will be served swiftly by any combination of our many "Faithful Defenders"!!!!
Plus our women here are appreciated and respected, not looked upon as playthings , as a few of yours have Strat!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, why do people always have to betray me? Why dont they betray Kmac?
spapad wrote:
Go do your assignments Vail, I will stand guard tonight! Watch it Strat! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's the spirit!! The king would be very proud!! We are now a force to be reckoned with.
Defend the kingdom alongside us Spapad, for you will be given great rewards for your bravery!!
Now, I must go. This thing called assigned reading beckons my return to my post. I shall return!!!
spapad wrote:
I think we may spit at him and fart in his general direction! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Welcome back, fellow defender. As you witnessed in our video mesage to Strat, we shall burst our pimples at his direction should he attempt to take over our kingdom, for his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries.
spapad wrote:
I have accomplished my task! Poor Tom could not be saved, but I was always a Kmacian! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
P.S. Thanks for the tacos! (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:56:37 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ahhh...if you need your brain to be cleansed, try Sir Tim's world-renowed infidel tacos and his homemade brew. However, Tim has not been here very often due to his Purgatory occupation, but I do believe I have some of those tasty tacos left in my pantry.
In the meantime, please show Strat this video, as it contains a message of utmost importance to him:
spapad wrote:
Thanks to you Vaillant 3.0 commrad of Kmac! I will carry this message back to the infidel......Oooops Mighty King Strat. I have promissed Video for
Release from the Washing of the Brain. Do you have Such facility to help to unwash the brain?
P.S. Need deprograming! Must Save Tom Tuttle!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat? God? I didn't vote for him (and there's no way in Hell I am going to pay 3000 euros for not being hot)!!
Now, stranger. As for our kingdom... WELCOME TO KMACIA!!
We are a wonderful, resourceful kingdom, ruled by our great king, Kmac, and his Queen, Dawn. Our purpose is to eliminate any shit stirrers, or "infidels" that harrass the good people of our kingdom for no reason.
Kmac has a very large army, lead by General Guido, Sir Tim, and Sir Guitardude! I merely serve as the gatekeeper of the castle.
ALL HAIL KMAC!!
P.S.: Get back here!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:29:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
So.............This is land of Stratistan........Now tell me of yours so I may return home to Commrads with lengthy report of your Great Culture.
P.S. Help!
Edited at: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:45:22 PM
Edited at: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:25:53 PM
Well... Maybe a new topic? The shit in Italy comes to mind... A girl has had an accident in 1992, and has been in a coma since. Now, after her father went through hell in proving that there is no chance she can wake up again, they have finaly started to gradualy stop her feeding, and in effect perform euthanasia. But... The Catholic church, along with the neo-fascist prime minister Berlusconni started their usual shit about the "sancity of life", and are trying to pass laws that would prevent euthanasia.
Opinions? Mine is that they should let her family decide.
This is why Bella is so very important to Kamacians. She will destroy Cannuck catcher! The bottom of his suit would be the first bite she would take and then..... Bahahahahwhahahahwhahahahaha!!!! The Cannuck catcher would surely lose some of his prime property from the waist down!
_strat_ wrote:
That is why I employ special persons to keep Cannuck out! Meet our new Cannuck catcher! He grab them by horns and make romance with them until they go away! Naughty, naughty!
spapad wrote:
Soft? Bwahahahawahahahbahaha!
My friend Tom Tuttle from Tachoma stayed behind in Stratistan to destroy it from within.
He is cunning like that, being that he's really Canandian and all!
So sorry I missed the banter! LOL
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllll.... Time for me to throw my hands in the air now... We are at a full circle again, it would seem. You have a lot to learn, comrade... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 06, 2009 5:38:31 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, if it cant be sold, its doomed from the start.
_strat_ wrote:
Refer to my previous posts - if there are any other employees beside you, they should be the co-owners... So, you cant just sell something that isnt your alone.
Head banger wrote:
most people's retirement savings are invested in shares. mutual funds and the like. companies that give, or sell shares at a discount, end up with more loyal and dedicated employees, because they have a more vested interest in the success of the business.
but, if I cant sell the company, and its running out of money, I have to close it and put everyone out of work. plus, if I open a company, build it up, should I not be able to profit from my hard work and cash invested?
ron, there are, and some do it very well. see Warren Buffett.
_strat_ wrote:
Not here. Some companies (very few) have the policy to give a part of their shares to employees - but never enough for the employees to have any real control over the decision making. And shares dont have anything to do with pensions, anyway.
My opinion is that we should scrap the entire "shares" thing altogether. Scrap buying and selling companies as well. Buying a company isnt just a piece of paper that states that you have a certain amount of shares of a certain company - it means trading with peoples jobs.
Head banger wrote:
so, if the average company is owned by shareholders, most workers are owners here in a DC pension.
would it make sense to give employees stock options?
_strat_ wrote:
There would still be a director, and there would be people to organize and run things - a workers council is supposed to be the body that they answer to. Kinda like the CEO must answer to the business owners, who are not the workers in the company.
Head banger wrote:
would you have different control if a workers council ran the company? your one voice would get heard? what if they screwed up, would the state simply give the company more money to keep going. would you keep building VCR's for the next 20 years? dvd and pvr have effectivly killed it, how come the workers didnt see it coming? works both ways.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, vote....My vote and a million others. The majority has the control, wheter I am with it or against it. Not to mention that essentialy all candidates are business friendly... In a way that benefits business owners, not the employees. Probably the best thing to do would be to dig out the Communists, they were the opposite. And if it was up to me, thats how things would be run. Freedom of press, speech... No problem. Prostitution, gay marriage, light drugs, no problem either, personal things. NO private businesses. Workers councils and state planning. That worked. It gave us half a century of peace and prosperity. Two decades of capitalism gave us misery and foreign dependancy. No contest here.
I know to avoid people who want me to work too much. Infact, I can, since we have the laws that forbid it, and means to enforce them - both thanks to the unions and class struggle - so I guess that Im covered here, at least better than most working people in the world.
In any case... Some control, I guess so. But not nearly enough. I dont make any decisions on how to run the company. What if people who do screw up, and I lose the job because of their incompetence?
Head banger wrote:
skils transfer. its not like you only learn a computer system that your present company is the only one who uses, you need all kinds of skills. most transfer. your planing to get into an industry that is creating weath, therefore will survive. BTW, avoid rent a car right now. ha!
effort, you control. demand, well its quite vaguely under your conttrol. voting for business friendly candidates, etc.... but within reason, anyone who wants you to work like bob cratchet, avoid. the pendulum can swing to far. but there is some control
_strat_ wrote:
Effort? Yes, but you said skills before. Not interchangeable. And there is still the factor of demand, which is not even vaguely under my control.
And, yes, some companies may just train me... To work for them. If that job is gone, what then?
Head banger wrote:
your effort is under your control, the public education goes away, companies will train you. I guarantee it.
_strat_ wrote:
Could be. But of the two, only the skill is under my control. And even that just so long as the public education holds out.
Head banger wrote:
your skill and demand for it
_strat_ wrote:
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same?
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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Sorry to hear about it. Good pets are hard to find nowadays... My cat, for example, wouldnt even consider biting any of you traitors. She would just take a nap. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, February 07, 2009 12:18:07 AM)
spapad wrote:
No Kmacian Defender I can think of that would do a better job!
Now that she is in the realm of the afterlife, she can fight off such things! She is the best!
That is why I employ special persons to keep Cannuck out! Meet our new Cannuck catcher! He grab them by horns and make romance with them until they go away! Naughty, naughty!
Soft? Bwahahahawahahahbahaha!
My friend Tom Tuttle from Tachoma stayed behind in Stratistan to destroy it from within.
He is cunning like that, being that he's really Canandian and all!
So sorry I missed the banter! LOL
Ehm... My mistake. I was refering to your language.
Looks like someone has a dirty mind!
And, in any case, Im going to sleep now... See you all tomorow. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 06, 2009 5:28:26 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Actually, I am "soft" from too many pizzas.......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You see, I created you people in my own image. Its not that Im above you, its that you are like me. Except you, of course. Dunno what I did wrong with you.
Maybe I should have done what the textbook said, and leave the clay until its dry? Maybe thats why youre a bit soft...
Now now!! Is that any way for a "god" to act???? I should think you would hold yourself to a "higher" standard!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah. Why dont you GTFO, so the little brat..erm king can come back?
guitardude wrote:
He need not be here to be admired and respected by his faithful followers, that my friend, is part of his charm. Should his presence be required, he will be available to any of his faithful. It`s the wicked and less than trustworthy he seeks to shun. Any further questions?
_strat_ wrote:
Is not true! Our womens are treated ok! When I buy wife, I treat her nice, we make love whenever I like!
Where is your king anyway? Havent seen him in ages!
guitardude wrote:
Because our young Scottish King is wise to the ways of the world and allows us our freedoms to do as we please, when we please!!
Should we over step our boundaries, then we all know justice will be served swiftly by any combination of our many "Faithful Defenders"!!!!
Plus our women here are appreciated and respected, not looked upon as playthings , as a few of yours have Strat!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, why do people always have to betray me? Why dont they betray Kmac?
spapad wrote:
Go do your assignments Vail, I will stand guard tonight! Watch it Strat! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's the spirit!! The king would be very proud!! We are now a force to be reckoned with.
Defend the kingdom alongside us Spapad, for you will be given great rewards for your bravery!!
Now, I must go. This thing called assigned reading beckons my return to my post. I shall return!!!
spapad wrote:
I think we may spit at him and fart in his general direction! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Welcome back, fellow defender. As you witnessed in our video mesage to Strat, we shall burst our pimples at his direction should he attempt to take over our kingdom, for his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries.
spapad wrote:
I have accomplished my task! Poor Tom could not be saved, but I was always a Kmacian! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
P.S. Thanks for the tacos! (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:56:37 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ahhh...if you need your brain to be cleansed, try Sir Tim's world-renowed infidel tacos and his homemade brew. However, Tim has not been here very often due to his Purgatory occupation, but I do believe I have some of those tasty tacos left in my pantry.
In the meantime, please show Strat this video, as it contains a message of utmost importance to him:
spapad wrote:
Thanks to you Vaillant 3.0 commrad of Kmac! I will carry this message back to the infidel......Oooops Mighty King Strat. I have promissed Video for
Release from the Washing of the Brain. Do you have Such facility to help to unwash the brain?
P.S. Need deprograming! Must Save Tom Tuttle!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat? God? I didn't vote for him (and there's no way in Hell I am going to pay 3000 euros for not being hot)!!
Now, stranger. As for our kingdom... WELCOME TO KMACIA!!
We are a wonderful, resourceful kingdom, ruled by our great king, Kmac, and his Queen, Dawn. Our purpose is to eliminate any shit stirrers, or "infidels" that harrass the good people of our kingdom for no reason.
Kmac has a very large army, lead by General Guido, Sir Tim, and Sir Guitardude! I merely serve as the gatekeeper of the castle.
ALL HAIL KMAC!!
P.S.: Get back here!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:29:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
So.............This is land of Stratistan........Now tell me of yours so I may return home to Commrads with lengthy report of your Great Culture.
P.S. Help!
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You see, I created you people in my own image. Its not that Im above you, its that you are like me. Except you, of course. Dunno what I did wrong with you.
Maybe I should have done what the textbook said, and leave the clay until its dry? Maybe thats why youre a bit soft...
Now now!! Is that any way for a "god" to act???? I should think you would hold yourself to a "higher" standard!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah. Why dont you GTFO, so the little brat..erm king can come back?
guitardude wrote:
He need not be here to be admired and respected by his faithful followers, that my friend, is part of his charm. Should his presence be required, he will be available to any of his faithful. It`s the wicked and less than trustworthy he seeks to shun. Any further questions?
_strat_ wrote:
Is not true! Our womens are treated ok! When I buy wife, I treat her nice, we make love whenever I like!
Where is your king anyway? Havent seen him in ages!
guitardude wrote:
Because our young Scottish King is wise to the ways of the world and allows us our freedoms to do as we please, when we please!!
Should we over step our boundaries, then we all know justice will be served swiftly by any combination of our many "Faithful Defenders"!!!!
Plus our women here are appreciated and respected, not looked upon as playthings , as a few of yours have Strat!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, why do people always have to betray me? Why dont they betray Kmac?
spapad wrote:
Go do your assignments Vail, I will stand guard tonight! Watch it Strat! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's the spirit!! The king would be very proud!! We are now a force to be reckoned with.
Defend the kingdom alongside us Spapad, for you will be given great rewards for your bravery!!
Now, I must go. This thing called assigned reading beckons my return to my post. I shall return!!!
spapad wrote:
I think we may spit at him and fart in his general direction! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Welcome back, fellow defender. As you witnessed in our video mesage to Strat, we shall burst our pimples at his direction should he attempt to take over our kingdom, for his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries.
spapad wrote:
I have accomplished my task! Poor Tom could not be saved, but I was always a Kmacian! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
P.S. Thanks for the tacos! (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:56:37 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ahhh...if you need your brain to be cleansed, try Sir Tim's world-renowed infidel tacos and his homemade brew. However, Tim has not been here very often due to his Purgatory occupation, but I do believe I have some of those tasty tacos left in my pantry.
In the meantime, please show Strat this video, as it contains a message of utmost importance to him:
spapad wrote:
Thanks to you Vaillant 3.0 commrad of Kmac! I will carry this message back to the infidel......Oooops Mighty King Strat. I have promissed Video for
Release from the Washing of the Brain. Do you have Such facility to help to unwash the brain?
P.S. Need deprograming! Must Save Tom Tuttle!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat? God? I didn't vote for him (and there's no way in Hell I am going to pay 3000 euros for not being hot)!!
Now, stranger. As for our kingdom... WELCOME TO KMACIA!!
We are a wonderful, resourceful kingdom, ruled by our great king, Kmac, and his Queen, Dawn. Our purpose is to eliminate any shit stirrers, or "infidels" that harrass the good people of our kingdom for no reason.
Kmac has a very large army, lead by General Guido, Sir Tim, and Sir Guitardude! I merely serve as the gatekeeper of the castle.
ALL HAIL KMAC!!
P.S.: Get back here!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:29:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
So.............This is land of Stratistan........Now tell me of yours so I may return home to Commrads with lengthy report of your Great Culture.
P.S. Help!
Edited at: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:45:22 PM
Edited at: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:25:53 PM
Shall I disapear and come again too? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, February 06, 2009 5:16:20 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well now, it appears a "trend" of sorts has been initiated! Guido is back, as is Lidija, JD and WW!! Things a re looking up around here and I am pleased!!! I have actually been a bit "under the weather the last couple days so I am not here as often as I would like to be but I am really glad to see old "faces"...!!!
Now, now... GD knows Im kidding... Right GD? No busting yo ribs on my ass? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Friday, February 06, 2009 5:05:07 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
What violent acronym language. No wonder you are losing followers ...
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah. Why dont you GTFO, so the little brat..erm king can come back?
guitardude wrote:
He need not be here to be admired and respected by his faithful followers, that my friend, is part of his charm. Should his presence be required, he will be available to any of his faithful. It`s the wicked and less than trustworthy he seeks to shun. Any further questions?
_strat_ wrote:
Is not true! Our womens are treated ok! When I buy wife, I treat her nice, we make love whenever I like!
Where is your king anyway? Havent seen him in ages!
guitardude wrote:
Because our young Scottish King is wise to the ways of the world and allows us our freedoms to do as we please, when we please!!
Should we over step our boundaries, then we all know justice will be served swiftly by any combination of our many "Faithful Defenders"!!!!
Plus our women here are appreciated and respected, not looked upon as playthings , as a few of yours have Strat!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, why do people always have to betray me? Why dont they betray Kmac?
spapad wrote:
Go do your assignments Vail, I will stand guard tonight! Watch it Strat! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's the spirit!! The king would be very proud!! We are now a force to be reckoned with.
Defend the kingdom alongside us Spapad, for you will be given great rewards for your bravery!!
Now, I must go. This thing called assigned reading beckons my return to my post. I shall return!!!
spapad wrote:
I think we may spit at him and fart in his general direction! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Welcome back, fellow defender. As you witnessed in our video mesage to Strat, we shall burst our pimples at his direction should he attempt to take over our kingdom, for his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries.
spapad wrote:
I have accomplished my task! Poor Tom could not be saved, but I was always a Kmacian! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
P.S. Thanks for the tacos! (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:56:37 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ahhh...if you need your brain to be cleansed, try Sir Tim's world-renowed infidel tacos and his homemade brew. However, Tim has not been here very often due to his Purgatory occupation, but I do believe I have some of those tasty tacos left in my pantry.
In the meantime, please show Strat this video, as it contains a message of utmost importance to him:
spapad wrote:
Thanks to you Vaillant 3.0 commrad of Kmac! I will carry this message back to the infidel......Oooops Mighty King Strat. I have promissed Video for
Release from the Washing of the Brain. Do you have Such facility to help to unwash the brain?
P.S. Need deprograming! Must Save Tom Tuttle!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat? God? I didn't vote for him (and there's no way in Hell I am going to pay 3000 euros for not being hot)!!
Now, stranger. As for our kingdom... WELCOME TO KMACIA!!
We are a wonderful, resourceful kingdom, ruled by our great king, Kmac, and his Queen, Dawn. Our purpose is to eliminate any shit stirrers, or "infidels" that harrass the good people of our kingdom for no reason.
Kmac has a very large army, lead by General Guido, Sir Tim, and Sir Guitardude! I merely serve as the gatekeeper of the castle.
ALL HAIL KMAC!!
P.S.: Get back here!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:29:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
So.............This is land of Stratistan........Now tell me of yours so I may return home to Commrads with lengthy report of your Great Culture.
P.S. Help!
Edited at: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:45:22 PM
Edited at: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:25:53 PM
Now now!! Is that any way for a "god" to act???? I should think you would hold yourself to a "higher" standard!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah. Why dont you GTFO, so the little brat..erm king can come back?
guitardude wrote:
He need not be here to be admired and respected by his faithful followers, that my friend, is part of his charm. Should his presence be required, he will be available to any of his faithful. It`s the wicked and less than trustworthy he seeks to shun. Any further questions?
_strat_ wrote:
Is not true! Our womens are treated ok! When I buy wife, I treat her nice, we make love whenever I like!
Where is your king anyway? Havent seen him in ages!
guitardude wrote:
Because our young Scottish King is wise to the ways of the world and allows us our freedoms to do as we please, when we please!!
Should we over step our boundaries, then we all know justice will be served swiftly by any combination of our many "Faithful Defenders"!!!!
Plus our women here are appreciated and respected, not looked upon as playthings , as a few of yours have Strat!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, why do people always have to betray me? Why dont they betray Kmac?
spapad wrote:
Go do your assignments Vail, I will stand guard tonight! Watch it Strat! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's the spirit!! The king would be very proud!! We are now a force to be reckoned with.
Defend the kingdom alongside us Spapad, for you will be given great rewards for your bravery!!
Now, I must go. This thing called assigned reading beckons my return to my post. I shall return!!!
spapad wrote:
I think we may spit at him and fart in his general direction! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Welcome back, fellow defender. As you witnessed in our video mesage to Strat, we shall burst our pimples at his direction should he attempt to take over our kingdom, for his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries.
spapad wrote:
I have accomplished my task! Poor Tom could not be saved, but I was always a Kmacian! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
P.S. Thanks for the tacos! (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:56:37 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ahhh...if you need your brain to be cleansed, try Sir Tim's world-renowed infidel tacos and his homemade brew. However, Tim has not been here very often due to his Purgatory occupation, but I do believe I have some of those tasty tacos left in my pantry.
In the meantime, please show Strat this video, as it contains a message of utmost importance to him:
spapad wrote:
Thanks to you Vaillant 3.0 commrad of Kmac! I will carry this message back to the infidel......Oooops Mighty King Strat. I have promissed Video for
Release from the Washing of the Brain. Do you have Such facility to help to unwash the brain?
P.S. Need deprograming! Must Save Tom Tuttle!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat? God? I didn't vote for him (and there's no way in Hell I am going to pay 3000 euros for not being hot)!!
Now, stranger. As for our kingdom... WELCOME TO KMACIA!!
We are a wonderful, resourceful kingdom, ruled by our great king, Kmac, and his Queen, Dawn. Our purpose is to eliminate any shit stirrers, or "infidels" that harrass the good people of our kingdom for no reason.
Kmac has a very large army, lead by General Guido, Sir Tim, and Sir Guitardude! I merely serve as the gatekeeper of the castle.
ALL HAIL KMAC!!
P.S.: Get back here!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:29:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
So.............This is land of Stratistan........Now tell me of yours so I may return home to Commrads with lengthy report of your Great Culture.
P.S. Help!
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Yup... Parasites. A wonder that nobody thought to make some sort of a spray or a powder to get rid of them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, February 06, 2009 11:10:53 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...for some...buying and selling companies IS their jobs...
_strat_ wrote:
Not here. Some companies (very few) have the policy to give a part of their shares to employees - but never enough for the employees to have any real control over the decision making. And shares dont have anything to do with pensions, anyway.
My opinion is that we should scrap the entire "shares" thing altogether. Scrap buying and selling companies as well. Buying a company isnt just a piece of paper that states that you have a certain amount of shares of a certain company - it means trading with peoples jobs.
Head banger wrote:
so, if the average company is owned by shareholders, most workers are owners here in a DC pension.
would it make sense to give employees stock options?
_strat_ wrote:
There would still be a director, and there would be people to organize and run things - a workers council is supposed to be the body that they answer to. Kinda like the CEO must answer to the business owners, who are not the workers in the company.
Head banger wrote:
would you have different control if a workers council ran the company? your one voice would get heard? what if they screwed up, would the state simply give the company more money to keep going. would you keep building VCR's for the next 20 years? dvd and pvr have effectivly killed it, how come the workers didnt see it coming? works both ways.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, vote....My vote and a million others. The majority has the control, wheter I am with it or against it. Not to mention that essentialy all candidates are business friendly... In a way that benefits business owners, not the employees. Probably the best thing to do would be to dig out the Communists, they were the opposite. And if it was up to me, thats how things would be run. Freedom of press, speech... No problem. Prostitution, gay marriage, light drugs, no problem either, personal things. NO private businesses. Workers councils and state planning. That worked. It gave us half a century of peace and prosperity. Two decades of capitalism gave us misery and foreign dependancy. No contest here.
I know to avoid people who want me to work too much. Infact, I can, since we have the laws that forbid it, and means to enforce them - both thanks to the unions and class struggle - so I guess that Im covered here, at least better than most working people in the world.
In any case... Some control, I guess so. But not nearly enough. I dont make any decisions on how to run the company. What if people who do screw up, and I lose the job because of their incompetence?
Head banger wrote:
skils transfer. its not like you only learn a computer system that your present company is the only one who uses, you need all kinds of skills. most transfer. your planing to get into an industry that is creating weath, therefore will survive. BTW, avoid rent a car right now. ha!
effort, you control. demand, well its quite vaguely under your conttrol. voting for business friendly candidates, etc.... but within reason, anyone who wants you to work like bob cratchet, avoid. the pendulum can swing to far. but there is some control
_strat_ wrote:
Effort? Yes, but you said skills before. Not interchangeable. And there is still the factor of demand, which is not even vaguely under my control.
And, yes, some companies may just train me... To work for them. If that job is gone, what then?
Head banger wrote:
your effort is under your control, the public education goes away, companies will train you. I guarantee it.
_strat_ wrote:
Could be. But of the two, only the skill is under my control. And even that just so long as the public education holds out.
Head banger wrote:
your skill and demand for it
_strat_ wrote:
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same?
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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Refer to my previous posts - if there are any other employees beside you, they should be the co-owners... So, you cant just sell something that isnt your alone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 06, 2009 11:17:20 AM)
Head banger wrote:
most people's retirement savings are invested in shares. mutual funds and the like. companies that give, or sell shares at a discount, end up with more loyal and dedicated employees, because they have a more vested interest in the success of the business.
but, if I cant sell the company, and its running out of money, I have to close it and put everyone out of work. plus, if I open a company, build it up, should I not be able to profit from my hard work and cash invested?
ron, there are, and some do it very well. see Warren Buffett.
_strat_ wrote:
Not here. Some companies (very few) have the policy to give a part of their shares to employees - but never enough for the employees to have any real control over the decision making. And shares dont have anything to do with pensions, anyway.
My opinion is that we should scrap the entire "shares" thing altogether. Scrap buying and selling companies as well. Buying a company isnt just a piece of paper that states that you have a certain amount of shares of a certain company - it means trading with peoples jobs.
Head banger wrote:
so, if the average company is owned by shareholders, most workers are owners here in a DC pension.
would it make sense to give employees stock options?
_strat_ wrote:
There would still be a director, and there would be people to organize and run things - a workers council is supposed to be the body that they answer to. Kinda like the CEO must answer to the business owners, who are not the workers in the company.
Head banger wrote:
would you have different control if a workers council ran the company? your one voice would get heard? what if they screwed up, would the state simply give the company more money to keep going. would you keep building VCR's for the next 20 years? dvd and pvr have effectivly killed it, how come the workers didnt see it coming? works both ways.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, vote....My vote and a million others. The majority has the control, wheter I am with it or against it. Not to mention that essentialy all candidates are business friendly... In a way that benefits business owners, not the employees. Probably the best thing to do would be to dig out the Communists, they were the opposite. And if it was up to me, thats how things would be run. Freedom of press, speech... No problem. Prostitution, gay marriage, light drugs, no problem either, personal things. NO private businesses. Workers councils and state planning. That worked. It gave us half a century of peace and prosperity. Two decades of capitalism gave us misery and foreign dependancy. No contest here.
I know to avoid people who want me to work too much. Infact, I can, since we have the laws that forbid it, and means to enforce them - both thanks to the unions and class struggle - so I guess that Im covered here, at least better than most working people in the world.
In any case... Some control, I guess so. But not nearly enough. I dont make any decisions on how to run the company. What if people who do screw up, and I lose the job because of their incompetence?
Head banger wrote:
skils transfer. its not like you only learn a computer system that your present company is the only one who uses, you need all kinds of skills. most transfer. your planing to get into an industry that is creating weath, therefore will survive. BTW, avoid rent a car right now. ha!
effort, you control. demand, well its quite vaguely under your conttrol. voting for business friendly candidates, etc.... but within reason, anyone who wants you to work like bob cratchet, avoid. the pendulum can swing to far. but there is some control
_strat_ wrote:
Effort? Yes, but you said skills before. Not interchangeable. And there is still the factor of demand, which is not even vaguely under my control.
And, yes, some companies may just train me... To work for them. If that job is gone, what then?
Head banger wrote:
your effort is under your control, the public education goes away, companies will train you. I guarantee it.
_strat_ wrote:
Could be. But of the two, only the skill is under my control. And even that just so long as the public education holds out.
Head banger wrote:
your skill and demand for it
_strat_ wrote:
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same?
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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Yeah. Why dont you GTFO, so the little brat..erm king can come back? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Friday, February 06, 2009 2:42:11 PM)
guitardude wrote:
He need not be here to be admired and respected by his faithful followers, that my friend, is part of his charm. Should his presence be required, he will be available to any of his faithful. It`s the wicked and less than trustworthy he seeks to shun. Any further questions?
_strat_ wrote:
Is not true! Our womens are treated ok! When I buy wife, I treat her nice, we make love whenever I like!
Where is your king anyway? Havent seen him in ages!
guitardude wrote:
Because our young Scottish King is wise to the ways of the world and allows us our freedoms to do as we please, when we please!!
Should we over step our boundaries, then we all know justice will be served swiftly by any combination of our many "Faithful Defenders"!!!!
Plus our women here are appreciated and respected, not looked upon as playthings , as a few of yours have Strat!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, why do people always have to betray me? Why dont they betray Kmac?
spapad wrote:
Go do your assignments Vail, I will stand guard tonight! Watch it Strat! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's the spirit!! The king would be very proud!! We are now a force to be reckoned with.
Defend the kingdom alongside us Spapad, for you will be given great rewards for your bravery!!
Now, I must go. This thing called assigned reading beckons my return to my post. I shall return!!!
spapad wrote:
I think we may spit at him and fart in his general direction! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Welcome back, fellow defender. As you witnessed in our video mesage to Strat, we shall burst our pimples at his direction should he attempt to take over our kingdom, for his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries.
spapad wrote:
I have accomplished my task! Poor Tom could not be saved, but I was always a Kmacian! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
P.S. Thanks for the tacos! (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:56:37 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ahhh...if you need your brain to be cleansed, try Sir Tim's world-renowed infidel tacos and his homemade brew. However, Tim has not been here very often due to his Purgatory occupation, but I do believe I have some of those tasty tacos left in my pantry.
In the meantime, please show Strat this video, as it contains a message of utmost importance to him:
spapad wrote:
Thanks to you Vaillant 3.0 commrad of Kmac! I will carry this message back to the infidel......Oooops Mighty King Strat. I have promissed Video for
Release from the Washing of the Brain. Do you have Such facility to help to unwash the brain?
P.S. Need deprograming! Must Save Tom Tuttle!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat? God? I didn't vote for him (and there's no way in Hell I am going to pay 3000 euros for not being hot)!!
Now, stranger. As for our kingdom... WELCOME TO KMACIA!!
We are a wonderful, resourceful kingdom, ruled by our great king, Kmac, and his Queen, Dawn. Our purpose is to eliminate any shit stirrers, or "infidels" that harrass the good people of our kingdom for no reason.
Kmac has a very large army, lead by General Guido, Sir Tim, and Sir Guitardude! I merely serve as the gatekeeper of the castle.
ALL HAIL KMAC!!
P.S.: Get back here!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:29:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
So.............This is land of Stratistan........Now tell me of yours so I may return home to Commrads with lengthy report of your Great Culture.
P.S. Help!
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Not here. Some companies (very few) have the policy to give a part of their shares to employees - but never enough for the employees to have any real control over the decision making. And shares dont have anything to do with pensions, anyway.
My opinion is that we should scrap the entire "shares" thing altogether. Scrap buying and selling companies as well. Buying a company isnt just a piece of paper that states that you have a certain amount of shares of a certain company - it means trading with peoples jobs.
so, if the average company is owned by shareholders, most workers are owners here in a DC pension.
would it make sense to give employees stock options?
_strat_ wrote:
There would still be a director, and there would be people to organize and run things - a workers council is supposed to be the body that they answer to. Kinda like the CEO must answer to the business owners, who are not the workers in the company.
Head banger wrote:
would you have different control if a workers council ran the company? your one voice would get heard? what if they screwed up, would the state simply give the company more money to keep going. would you keep building VCR's for the next 20 years? dvd and pvr have effectivly killed it, how come the workers didnt see it coming? works both ways.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, vote....My vote and a million others. The majority has the control, wheter I am with it or against it. Not to mention that essentialy all candidates are business friendly... In a way that benefits business owners, not the employees. Probably the best thing to do would be to dig out the Communists, they were the opposite. And if it was up to me, thats how things would be run. Freedom of press, speech... No problem. Prostitution, gay marriage, light drugs, no problem either, personal things. NO private businesses. Workers councils and state planning. That worked. It gave us half a century of peace and prosperity. Two decades of capitalism gave us misery and foreign dependancy. No contest here.
I know to avoid people who want me to work too much. Infact, I can, since we have the laws that forbid it, and means to enforce them - both thanks to the unions and class struggle - so I guess that Im covered here, at least better than most working people in the world.
In any case... Some control, I guess so. But not nearly enough. I dont make any decisions on how to run the company. What if people who do screw up, and I lose the job because of their incompetence?
Head banger wrote:
skils transfer. its not like you only learn a computer system that your present company is the only one who uses, you need all kinds of skills. most transfer. your planing to get into an industry that is creating weath, therefore will survive. BTW, avoid rent a car right now. ha!
effort, you control. demand, well its quite vaguely under your conttrol. voting for business friendly candidates, etc.... but within reason, anyone who wants you to work like bob cratchet, avoid. the pendulum can swing to far. but there is some control
_strat_ wrote:
Effort? Yes, but you said skills before. Not interchangeable. And there is still the factor of demand, which is not even vaguely under my control.
And, yes, some companies may just train me... To work for them. If that job is gone, what then?
Head banger wrote:
your effort is under your control, the public education goes away, companies will train you. I guarantee it.
_strat_ wrote:
Could be. But of the two, only the skill is under my control. And even that just so long as the public education holds out.
Head banger wrote:
your skill and demand for it
_strat_ wrote:
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same?
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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Stay at home moms? You really do have a lot of money floating around there. Over here, most women are employed, simply because just one wage doesnt suffice to keep an average family going. As for maternity leave, I did say before that they dont count as unemployed (as they are not), and they do get financial compensation - so they dont get nothing. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 06, 2009 7:23:33 AM)
Head banger wrote:
stay at home moms, after the maternaty leave do. and in our income stats, I am sure most forms of suport dont count.
_strat_ wrote:
No one "earns" 0. If nothing else, there is at least the social support. And those that earn 1000 (and suppose 1000 is the average) are not really doing anything to raise or lover the average.
That, and the few on the top earn more than all of us combined.
Head banger wrote:
but if a million people earn 1000 per month, it skews the average right close to that. sure you get a few on the top end, you get some who earn 0. shit happens
_strat_ wrote:
If a thousand earn a million dollars between them in a month, thats thousand dollars each, and that would be average by our standards. If one person earns a million in a month, thats the equivalent of two thousand workers on our minimal wage. And, if we take into consideration that certain people get tens of millions of dollars per year, and that there are more than just one such person, then we get that a handfull of people get as much money for sitting in the board of directors, as the rest of us (say, nine tenths of the working population) get for working.
Head banger wrote:
if there are a million people there and a thousand earned a million dollars, they have very little effect on the average, but yes, some are higher and some are lower
_strat_ wrote:
The "average" wage may be a bit of a deception - over here its around 800€ - but very few actualy get that. Most get around 500, and the handfull with really big incomes bring the averages up. IDK, maybe the same at you end? I guess you have more people that are richer than our rich people.
Head banger wrote:
explain why companies provide more benefits than regulations or contracts require?
explain also, why the province with the least unions in canada has the highest average wage. thats the middle class benefiting. is this the same in the states?
ronhartsell wrote:
And here's one last thing I want to say to those who find it fashionable to bash the Unions...
...try to name something at the workplace that helps a person be middle class that wasn't brought about by labor unions...
...think hard...the 8 hour work day, contract wages, paid vacations, paid holidays, retirement plans, health and hospitalization insurance, overtime pay, call-in pay, seniority rights, recall rights, safety regulations, grievance and arbitration procedures, whatever, and I can tell you where and when American workers went on bitterly faught strikes to bring those things about...
...Think, too about public schools, free text books, one-man-one-vote, direct elections of U.S. senators, child labor laws, state hospitals, workers compensation for killed or injured workers, unemployment insurance, minimum wages, mechanic lien laws, abolition of debtors prisons, anti-blacklisting laws, Social Security, all of which American unions agitated for, in some cases started in the 1880's...
...Any person who works for a living owes an unrepayable debt to the men and women who, acting through their unions, brought about by collective bargaining the wages, hours and working conditions that are today so common-place in our mines, factories, stores, and offices, whether unionized or not, that are taken for granted...
...They should never be taken for granted, for it's these very wages, benefits, and working conditions that are under assault today. Every time an air traffic controllers union gets busted, Greyhound Bus driver or Eastern Airlines pilots lose a strike, Caterpillar workers return to work without a contract our unions "give back a benefit", a little more of the "middle class" has been diminished...
...it has been said that "as the unions go, so do the middle class"...you cannot deny the parallels!!
There would still be a director, and there would be people to organize and run things - a workers council is supposed to be the body that they answer to. Kinda like the CEO must answer to the business owners, who are not the workers in the company. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, February 06, 2009 7:22:38 AM)
Head banger wrote:
would you have different control if a workers council ran the company? your one voice would get heard? what if they screwed up, would the state simply give the company more money to keep going. would you keep building VCR's for the next 20 years? dvd and pvr have effectivly killed it, how come the workers didnt see it coming? works both ways.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, vote....My vote and a million others. The majority has the control, wheter I am with it or against it. Not to mention that essentialy all candidates are business friendly... In a way that benefits business owners, not the employees. Probably the best thing to do would be to dig out the Communists, they were the opposite. And if it was up to me, thats how things would be run. Freedom of press, speech... No problem. Prostitution, gay marriage, light drugs, no problem either, personal things. NO private businesses. Workers councils and state planning. That worked. It gave us half a century of peace and prosperity. Two decades of capitalism gave us misery and foreign dependancy. No contest here.
I know to avoid people who want me to work too much. Infact, I can, since we have the laws that forbid it, and means to enforce them - both thanks to the unions and class struggle - so I guess that Im covered here, at least better than most working people in the world.
In any case... Some control, I guess so. But not nearly enough. I dont make any decisions on how to run the company. What if people who do screw up, and I lose the job because of their incompetence?
Head banger wrote:
skils transfer. its not like you only learn a computer system that your present company is the only one who uses, you need all kinds of skills. most transfer. your planing to get into an industry that is creating weath, therefore will survive. BTW, avoid rent a car right now. ha!
effort, you control. demand, well its quite vaguely under your conttrol. voting for business friendly candidates, etc.... but within reason, anyone who wants you to work like bob cratchet, avoid. the pendulum can swing to far. but there is some control
_strat_ wrote:
Effort? Yes, but you said skills before. Not interchangeable. And there is still the factor of demand, which is not even vaguely under my control.
And, yes, some companies may just train me... To work for them. If that job is gone, what then?
Head banger wrote:
your effort is under your control, the public education goes away, companies will train you. I guarantee it.
_strat_ wrote:
Could be. But of the two, only the skill is under my control. And even that just so long as the public education holds out.
Head banger wrote:
your skill and demand for it
_strat_ wrote:
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same?
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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Well, I might as well say where I had been so far... All over Slovenia (like that took a long time...lol), Croatia, Austria, Germany (in Munich once - probably the most beautifull city Ive been to), Italy, and I set foot in Bosnia and Hungary.
The coast of Croatia was my favourite, tho. From islands, to architecture... Very beautifull.
Is not true! Our womens are treated ok! When I buy wife, I treat her nice, we make love whenever I like!
Where is your king anyway? Havent seen him in ages! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Thursday, February 05, 2009 2:54:17 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Because our young Scottish King is wise to the ways of the world and allows us our freedoms to do as we please, when we please!!
Should we over step our boundaries, then we all know justice will be served swiftly by any combination of our many "Faithful Defenders"!!!!
Plus our women here are appreciated and respected, not looked upon as playthings , as a few of yours have Strat!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, why do people always have to betray me? Why dont they betray Kmac?
spapad wrote:
Go do your assignments Vail, I will stand guard tonight! Watch it Strat! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's the spirit!! The king would be very proud!! We are now a force to be reckoned with.
Defend the kingdom alongside us Spapad, for you will be given great rewards for your bravery!!
Now, I must go. This thing called assigned reading beckons my return to my post. I shall return!!!
spapad wrote:
I think we may spit at him and fart in his general direction! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Welcome back, fellow defender. As you witnessed in our video mesage to Strat, we shall burst our pimples at his direction should he attempt to take over our kingdom, for his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries.
spapad wrote:
I have accomplished my task! Poor Tom could not be saved, but I was always a Kmacian! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
P.S. Thanks for the tacos! (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:56:37 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ahhh...if you need your brain to be cleansed, try Sir Tim's world-renowed infidel tacos and his homemade brew. However, Tim has not been here very often due to his Purgatory occupation, but I do believe I have some of those tasty tacos left in my pantry.
In the meantime, please show Strat this video, as it contains a message of utmost importance to him:
spapad wrote:
Thanks to you Vaillant 3.0 commrad of Kmac! I will carry this message back to the infidel......Oooops Mighty King Strat. I have promissed Video for
Release from the Washing of the Brain. Do you have Such facility to help to unwash the brain?
P.S. Need deprograming! Must Save Tom Tuttle!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat? God? I didn't vote for him (and there's no way in Hell I am going to pay 3000 euros for not being hot)!!
Now, stranger. As for our kingdom... WELCOME TO KMACIA!!
We are a wonderful, resourceful kingdom, ruled by our great king, Kmac, and his Queen, Dawn. Our purpose is to eliminate any shit stirrers, or "infidels" that harrass the good people of our kingdom for no reason.
Kmac has a very large army, lead by General Guido, Sir Tim, and Sir Guitardude! I merely serve as the gatekeeper of the castle.
ALL HAIL KMAC!!
P.S.: Get back here!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:29:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
So.............This is land of Stratistan........Now tell me of yours so I may return home to Commrads with lengthy report of your Great Culture.
P.S. Help!
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Well, vote....My vote and a million others. The majority has the control, wheter I am with it or against it. Not to mention that essentialy all candidates are business friendly... In a way that benefits business owners, not the employees. Probably the best thing to do would be to dig out the Communists, they were the opposite. And if it was up to me, thats how things would be run. Freedom of press, speech... No problem. Prostitution, gay marriage, light drugs, no problem either, personal things. NO private businesses. Workers councils and state planning. That worked. It gave us half a century of peace and prosperity. Two decades of capitalism gave us misery and foreign dependancy. No contest here.
I know to avoid people who want me to work too much. Infact, I can, since we have the laws that forbid it, and means to enforce them - both thanks to the unions and class struggle - so I guess that Im covered here, at least better than most working people in the world.
In any case... Some control, I guess so. But not nearly enough. I dont make any decisions on how to run the company. What if people who do screw up, and I lose the job because of their incompetence? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:56:36 PM)
Head banger wrote:
skils transfer. its not like you only learn a computer system that your present company is the only one who uses, you need all kinds of skills. most transfer. your planing to get into an industry that is creating weath, therefore will survive. BTW, avoid rent a car right now. ha!
effort, you control. demand, well its quite vaguely under your conttrol. voting for business friendly candidates, etc.... but within reason, anyone who wants you to work like bob cratchet, avoid. the pendulum can swing to far. but there is some control
_strat_ wrote:
Effort? Yes, but you said skills before. Not interchangeable. And there is still the factor of demand, which is not even vaguely under my control.
And, yes, some companies may just train me... To work for them. If that job is gone, what then?
Head banger wrote:
your effort is under your control, the public education goes away, companies will train you. I guarantee it.
_strat_ wrote:
Could be. But of the two, only the skill is under my control. And even that just so long as the public education holds out.
Head banger wrote:
your skill and demand for it
_strat_ wrote:
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same?
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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No one "earns" 0. If nothing else, there is at least the social support. And those that earn 1000 (and suppose 1000 is the average) are not really doing anything to raise or lover the average.
That, and the few on the top earn more than all of us combined. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:50:35 PM)
Head banger wrote:
but if a million people earn 1000 per month, it skews the average right close to that. sure you get a few on the top end, you get some who earn 0. shit happens
_strat_ wrote:
If a thousand earn a million dollars between them in a month, thats thousand dollars each, and that would be average by our standards. If one person earns a million in a month, thats the equivalent of two thousand workers on our minimal wage. And, if we take into consideration that certain people get tens of millions of dollars per year, and that there are more than just one such person, then we get that a handfull of people get as much money for sitting in the board of directors, as the rest of us (say, nine tenths of the working population) get for working.
Head banger wrote:
if there are a million people there and a thousand earned a million dollars, they have very little effect on the average, but yes, some are higher and some are lower
_strat_ wrote:
The "average" wage may be a bit of a deception - over here its around 800€ - but very few actualy get that. Most get around 500, and the handfull with really big incomes bring the averages up. IDK, maybe the same at you end? I guess you have more people that are richer than our rich people.
Head banger wrote:
explain why companies provide more benefits than regulations or contracts require?
explain also, why the province with the least unions in canada has the highest average wage. thats the middle class benefiting. is this the same in the states?
ronhartsell wrote:
And here's one last thing I want to say to those who find it fashionable to bash the Unions...
...try to name something at the workplace that helps a person be middle class that wasn't brought about by labor unions...
...think hard...the 8 hour work day, contract wages, paid vacations, paid holidays, retirement plans, health and hospitalization insurance, overtime pay, call-in pay, seniority rights, recall rights, safety regulations, grievance and arbitration procedures, whatever, and I can tell you where and when American workers went on bitterly faught strikes to bring those things about...
...Think, too about public schools, free text books, one-man-one-vote, direct elections of U.S. senators, child labor laws, state hospitals, workers compensation for killed or injured workers, unemployment insurance, minimum wages, mechanic lien laws, abolition of debtors prisons, anti-blacklisting laws, Social Security, all of which American unions agitated for, in some cases started in the 1880's...
...Any person who works for a living owes an unrepayable debt to the men and women who, acting through their unions, brought about by collective bargaining the wages, hours and working conditions that are today so common-place in our mines, factories, stores, and offices, whether unionized or not, that are taken for granted...
...They should never be taken for granted, for it's these very wages, benefits, and working conditions that are under assault today. Every time an air traffic controllers union gets busted, Greyhound Bus driver or Eastern Airlines pilots lose a strike, Caterpillar workers return to work without a contract our unions "give back a benefit", a little more of the "middle class" has been diminished...
...it has been said that "as the unions go, so do the middle class"...you cannot deny the parallels!!
Im sure that Picard will be more than happy to take you out for both. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:31:36 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
DON'T I AT LEAST GET DINNER AND DRINKS FIRST?......
_strat_ wrote:
Cannuck - you will be asimilated - resistance is futile - bend over - resistance is futile - You will be asimilated - remove your pants - resistance is futile - pass the moose meat - Cannuck - you will be asimilated...
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
'OLD?,WRINKLED?,AND A GAY BORG COLLECTIVE?...Hmmmm,YOU REALLY ARE ON A BIT OF A THEME HERE IT WOULD SEEM....IT'S OK, I'LL STILL DEBATE WITH YOU ANYWAY,I DON'T HOLD GRUDGES AGAINST DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES...PLEASE DON'T ASSIMILATE ME INTO YOUR CLAN...
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. Its probably really old and wrinkled. Uncyclopedia says that "La Cute Ass" is his name since he was assimilated into the gay borg collective... As you will be soon.
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
SOOOOOOOO....YOU THINK HE HAS A CUTE ASS?...Hmmmmmmmm....
_strat_ wrote:
And, of course, La Cute Ass Picard, the new governor of Canada:
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
BOMB CANADA HUH?...TIME YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL!...NOW GO LIE DOWN AND HAVE A NAP,YOU'RE BEGINNING TO TALK GIBBERISH LOUISE!...
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Effort? Yes, but you said skills before. Not interchangeable. And there is still the factor of demand, which is not even vaguely under my control.
And, yes, some companies may just train me... To work for them. If that job is gone, what then? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:56:04 AM)
Head banger wrote:
your effort is under your control, the public education goes away, companies will train you. I guarantee it.
_strat_ wrote:
Could be. But of the two, only the skill is under my control. And even that just so long as the public education holds out.
Head banger wrote:
your skill and demand for it
_strat_ wrote:
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same?
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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If a thousand earn a million dollars between them in a month, thats thousand dollars each, and that would be average by our standards. If one person earns a million in a month, thats the equivalent of two thousand workers on our minimal wage. And, if we take into consideration that certain people get tens of millions of dollars per year, and that there are more than just one such person, then we get that a handfull of people get as much money for sitting in the board of directors, as the rest of us (say, nine tenths of the working population) get for working. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:55:13 AM)
Head banger wrote:
if there are a million people there and a thousand earned a million dollars, they have very little effect on the average, but yes, some are higher and some are lower
_strat_ wrote:
The "average" wage may be a bit of a deception - over here its around 800€ - but very few actualy get that. Most get around 500, and the handfull with really big incomes bring the averages up. IDK, maybe the same at you end? I guess you have more people that are richer than our rich people.
Head banger wrote:
explain why companies provide more benefits than regulations or contracts require?
explain also, why the province with the least unions in canada has the highest average wage. thats the middle class benefiting. is this the same in the states?
ronhartsell wrote:
And here's one last thing I want to say to those who find it fashionable to bash the Unions...
...try to name something at the workplace that helps a person be middle class that wasn't brought about by labor unions...
...think hard...the 8 hour work day, contract wages, paid vacations, paid holidays, retirement plans, health and hospitalization insurance, overtime pay, call-in pay, seniority rights, recall rights, safety regulations, grievance and arbitration procedures, whatever, and I can tell you where and when American workers went on bitterly faught strikes to bring those things about...
...Think, too about public schools, free text books, one-man-one-vote, direct elections of U.S. senators, child labor laws, state hospitals, workers compensation for killed or injured workers, unemployment insurance, minimum wages, mechanic lien laws, abolition of debtors prisons, anti-blacklisting laws, Social Security, all of which American unions agitated for, in some cases started in the 1880's...
...Any person who works for a living owes an unrepayable debt to the men and women who, acting through their unions, brought about by collective bargaining the wages, hours and working conditions that are today so common-place in our mines, factories, stores, and offices, whether unionized or not, that are taken for granted...
...They should never be taken for granted, for it's these very wages, benefits, and working conditions that are under assault today. Every time an air traffic controllers union gets busted, Greyhound Bus driver or Eastern Airlines pilots lose a strike, Caterpillar workers return to work without a contract our unions "give back a benefit", a little more of the "middle class" has been diminished...
...it has been said that "as the unions go, so do the middle class"...you cannot deny the parallels!!
Could be. But of the two, only the skill is under my control. And even that just so long as the public education holds out. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:20:00 AM)
Head banger wrote:
your skill and demand for it
_strat_ wrote:
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same?
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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...so, basicaly they have to pay the overseas labourers what they should be paying to everyone? Even less, actualy. I mean, 5% more whats that? One cup of coffe per week? Not a big improvement. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:22:37 AM)
Head banger wrote:
so the stats are different, thought they might be. one of the problems of comparing stats, there the 6% could all be looking for work, here the 5% are mostly not trying to find work. makes a significant difference in the number of employers looking to find people. we are reduced here to importing labour from overseas, even to work in fast food. what a cost, you have to pay 5% more than the average rate, about $11 where minimum is $8.40 and flights, health care and at least part of room and board. find good local talent, you take care of them
_strat_ wrote:
Mothers on maternity leaves (or fathers, they get their leave too) do not count as unemployed under any circumstance. They have a leave, with some financial support, get counted as employed - and most importantly, the job has to be waiting for them when their leave is over. No debate here.
People who have a goal of not working are rare enough - at least with the handouts that they get here. There are such, admitedly, but I am absolutely sure that of those 6% unemployed the majority desperatly wants to find employment.
Now, increasing the wealth of a nation sounds more like a nationalistic than socialistic idea - in any case, the wealth of a nation must be based on the wealth of all individuals that make up the nation - but that cannot come about in a capitalist society. In a capitalist economy, the wealth of a nation is predominatly the wealth of the elite - the numbers that Ron posted speak for themselves.
Head banger wrote:
ok now, but of the lets say 5% unemployed, the way we count stats here,that includes the women on maternaty leave, who are not working, and realy cant. well they are working damn hard, but not at what we call a job. then you have the people who have a goal of not working, and those who are incompetant. not everyone can work, thru either lack of skill or will.
increasing the wealth of the nation is no incentive for the individual to work harder, thats a socialistic idea and it fails. to ensure that people as individuals earn more, increasing the wealth of the nation by making more jobs come available, full time, more total hours of work, and more things produced. that creates scarcity of labour, which is the incentive you seek. making things dificult for business does the oposit.
_strat_ wrote:
40 hrs a week may or may not be fair - personaly I think its still too much. If I connect this with the "pizza argument" - the pizza that we make is more than big enough - we produce more than enough, as does any western society, that has an abundance of material commodities. The distribution is the problem. We could simply redistribute the making of the pizza and the slices - we could all work less than now, and get more for it. If there is a certain amount of unemployment - why not employ them, and we can all work less, because there would be more people doing the work? It all comes down to the free market and the so-called "private property" - which in this case would refer to the private ownership of the means of production. That is the main obstacle.
Now, the incentive to increase wealth of a nation is usualy not an incentive for an individual to work harder. And even if it were, where would be the incentive of the employers and business owners to give us more, if we produce more?
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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The "average" wage may be a bit of a deception - over here its around 800€ - but very few actualy get that. Most get around 500, and the handfull with really big incomes bring the averages up. IDK, maybe the same at you end? I guess you have more people that are richer than our rich people. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:17:13 AM)
Head banger wrote:
explain why companies provide more benefits than regulations or contracts require?
explain also, why the province with the least unions in canada has the highest average wage. thats the middle class benefiting. is this the same in the states?
ronhartsell wrote:
And here's one last thing I want to say to those who find it fashionable to bash the Unions...
...try to name something at the workplace that helps a person be middle class that wasn't brought about by labor unions...
...think hard...the 8 hour work day, contract wages, paid vacations, paid holidays, retirement plans, health and hospitalization insurance, overtime pay, call-in pay, seniority rights, recall rights, safety regulations, grievance and arbitration procedures, whatever, and I can tell you where and when American workers went on bitterly faught strikes to bring those things about...
...Think, too about public schools, free text books, one-man-one-vote, direct elections of U.S. senators, child labor laws, state hospitals, workers compensation for killed or injured workers, unemployment insurance, minimum wages, mechanic lien laws, abolition of debtors prisons, anti-blacklisting laws, Social Security, all of which American unions agitated for, in some cases started in the 1880's...
...Any person who works for a living owes an unrepayable debt to the men and women who, acting through their unions, brought about by collective bargaining the wages, hours and working conditions that are today so common-place in our mines, factories, stores, and offices, whether unionized or not, that are taken for granted...
...They should never be taken for granted, for it's these very wages, benefits, and working conditions that are under assault today. Every time an air traffic controllers union gets busted, Greyhound Bus driver or Eastern Airlines pilots lose a strike, Caterpillar workers return to work without a contract our unions "give back a benefit", a little more of the "middle class" has been diminished...
...it has been said that "as the unions go, so do the middle class"...you cannot deny the parallels!!
With you a 100%. No unions, and we would be sleeping in our offices, and working for a slice of bread a day, like they used to in th 1800s. Or like they do in China still.
People suffered a lot to give us the rights we have today. Striking, sabotage, fuck, they fought for it in a war - and now just a proposal to raise a minimal wage for a couple of €, will have everyone shouting out about stiffling businesses. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:25:37 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
And here's one last thing I want to say to those who find it fashionable to bash the Unions...
...try to name something at the workplace that helps a person be middle class that wasn't brought about by labor unions...
...think hard...the 8 hour work day, contract wages, paid vacations, paid holidays, retirement plans, health and hospitalization insurance, overtime pay, call-in pay, seniority rights, recall rights, safety regulations, grievance and arbitration procedures, whatever, and I can tell you where and when American workers went on bitterly faught strikes to bring those things about...
...Think, too about public schools, free text books, one-man-one-vote, direct elections of U.S. senators, child labor laws, state hospitals, workers compensation for killed or injured workers, unemployment insurance, minimum wages, mechanic lien laws, abolition of debtors prisons, anti-blacklisting laws, Social Security, all of which American unions agitated for, in some cases started in the 1880's...
...Any person who works for a living owes an unrepayable debt to the men and women who, acting through their unions, brought about by collective bargaining the wages, hours and working conditions that are today so common-place in our mines, factories, stores, and offices, whether unionized or not, that are taken for granted...
...They should never be taken for granted, for it's these very wages, benefits, and working conditions that are under assault today. Every time an air traffic controllers union gets busted, Greyhound Bus driver or Eastern Airlines pilots lose a strike, Caterpillar workers return to work without a contract our unions "give back a benefit", a little more of the "middle class" has been diminished...
...it has been said that "as the unions go, so do the middle class"...you cannot deny the parallels!!
Is nice! Now we excecute you, for lack of humor at Canadians in the moviefilm. High five! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:20:46 PM)
spapad wrote:
Oh Great Sovereign King of Stratistan. I has spoken with the Kmacian Commrad Vailliant 3.0 and she has asked that I deliver this Video to you for Cultural Learnings for make benefit of Glorious Nation of Stratistan.
Now, why do people always have to betray me? Why dont they betray Kmac? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 9:31:14 PM)
spapad wrote:
Go do your assignments Vail, I will stand guard tonight! Watch it Strat! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's the spirit!! The king would be very proud!! We are now a force to be reckoned with.
Defend the kingdom alongside us Spapad, for you will be given great rewards for your bravery!!
Now, I must go. This thing called assigned reading beckons my return to my post. I shall return!!!
spapad wrote:
I think we may spit at him and fart in his general direction! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Welcome back, fellow defender. As you witnessed in our video mesage to Strat, we shall burst our pimples at his direction should he attempt to take over our kingdom, for his mother was a hamster, and his father smelt of elderberries.
spapad wrote:
I have accomplished my task! Poor Tom could not be saved, but I was always a Kmacian! Bahahahawahahawahahwaa!
P.S. Thanks for the tacos! (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:56:37 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Ahhh...if you need your brain to be cleansed, try Sir Tim's world-renowed infidel tacos and his homemade brew. However, Tim has not been here very often due to his Purgatory occupation, but I do believe I have some of those tasty tacos left in my pantry.
In the meantime, please show Strat this video, as it contains a message of utmost importance to him:
spapad wrote:
Thanks to you Vaillant 3.0 commrad of Kmac! I will carry this message back to the infidel......Oooops Mighty King Strat. I have promissed Video for
Release from the Washing of the Brain. Do you have Such facility to help to unwash the brain?
P.S. Need deprograming! Must Save Tom Tuttle!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat? God? I didn't vote for him (and there's no way in Hell I am going to pay 3000 euros for not being hot)!!
Now, stranger. As for our kingdom... WELCOME TO KMACIA!!
We are a wonderful, resourceful kingdom, ruled by our great king, Kmac, and his Queen, Dawn. Our purpose is to eliminate any shit stirrers, or "infidels" that harrass the good people of our kingdom for no reason.
Kmac has a very large army, lead by General Guido, Sir Tim, and Sir Guitardude! I merely serve as the gatekeeper of the castle.
ALL HAIL KMAC!!
P.S.: Get back here!! (Quoting Message by spapad from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:29:40 PM)
spapad wrote:
So.............This is land of Stratistan........Now tell me of yours so I may return home to Commrads with lengthy report of your Great Culture.
P.S. Help!
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Edited at: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:25:53 PM
My apologies for not stating so before - but we did talk about labour markets. Not about small businesses, that employ only the business owner(s), but those that go and employ other people, and go beyond the self sufficency of the owner. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:33:26 PM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
...Profits!?
from a small business...?
Yeah, right.
I run a plumbing business -- and unless you make a whole pile of money to begin with ... there are no profits! It's freakin' tough. I've put thousands of my own $$$ into it, simply trying to be self-sufficient -- not become a millionaire, but to make some money in wages for my husband and myself, and to let the business pay for itself.
But, the more you make, the more the govt. takes -- and all banking and other fees are more expensive for business and, unless you have constant work -- it's impossible. We have four vehicles to insure (two for the business), and those rates are climbing for no apparent, logical reason. Believe me, if we could unload a vehicle or two, we would. We've tried...
I give up. We're a good business, who has developed a reputation thru awesome references by word-of-mouth. My husband's a great plumber, we take care of our customers, and they know that. We have done all the right things -- and I've even lost a freakin' finger over it -- for what seems like nothing but a load of debt.
Quite discouraging, really. Now, it's an attitude of F*ck the govt, and work for cash. And, that seems to be the increasing attitude of our customers. Good guys seem to finish last...
I keep telling y'all to listen to Priest's "Revolution"! Go, Ian...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the fact right now is that business owners own the profits of their respective businesses, and have the right to do with them as they will. As long as businesses stay private, that will be so.
ronhartsell wrote:
...I'm not aying that 'ownership' doesn't have a right to make a profit...if I owned a business, that would be my goal as well...what I'm at odds with is the 'distribution' of wealth...and the fact it's always labor that takes the hit...it would be justifiable if we made the business decisions, but we don't...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you have it. I dont know the numbers, but I would say that it is much the same with us.
We all make the pizza, but those that own the kitchen distribute it - even if they dont have anything to do with the making of the pizza.
ronhartsell wrote:
...Ok, if you have the answer to this...please do tell...
...in America, the top 5% ('upper' class) controls 85% of the money...
...that leaves 95% of us ('middle and lower' classes) to 'fight' for the remaing 15%...these are facts...
...that's what labor is trying to change!!!...and it's been this way for a long time!!!...
I wonder how true that is - and especialy I wonder where the line that separates big from small businesses is drawn. And in any case, most small businesses are not even independant in practice, since every big business usualy has a number of small ones, that work almost exclusevly for the big one. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:26:01 AM)
Head banger wrote:
fact is, the business owner often earns less than most employees during bad times, especialy small business, which employ the most people.
ronhartsell wrote:
...I'm not aying that 'ownership' doesn't have a right to make a profit...if I owned a business, that would be my goal as well...what I'm at odds with is the 'distribution' of wealth...and the fact it's always labor that takes the hit...it would be justifiable if we made the business decisions, but we don't...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you have it. I dont know the numbers, but I would say that it is much the same with us.
We all make the pizza, but those that own the kitchen distribute it - even if they dont have anything to do with the making of the pizza.
ronhartsell wrote:
...Ok, if you have the answer to this...please do tell...
...in America, the top 5% ('upper' class) controls 85% of the money...
...that leaves 95% of us ('middle and lower' classes) to 'fight' for the remaing 15%...these are facts...
...that's what labor is trying to change!!!...and it's been this way for a long time!!!...
No they dont - they decide how to cut it up. I could go someplace else... But who guarantees that that wouldnt be the same? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:22:55 AM)
Head banger wrote:
you, because if you are of value to your employer, they have to share better.
_strat_ wrote:
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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Mothers on maternity leaves (or fathers, they get their leave too) do not count as unemployed under any circumstance. They have a leave, with some financial support, get counted as employed - and most importantly, the job has to be waiting for them when their leave is over. No debate here.
People who have a goal of not working are rare enough - at least with the handouts that they get here. There are such, admitedly, but I am absolutely sure that of those 6% unemployed the majority desperatly wants to find employment.
Now, increasing the wealth of a nation sounds more like a nationalistic than socialistic idea - in any case, the wealth of a nation must be based on the wealth of all individuals that make up the nation - but that cannot come about in a capitalist society. In a capitalist economy, the wealth of a nation is predominatly the wealth of the elite - the numbers that Ron posted speak for themselves. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:22:02 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ok now, but of the lets say 5% unemployed, the way we count stats here,that includes the women on maternaty leave, who are not working, and realy cant. well they are working damn hard, but not at what we call a job. then you have the people who have a goal of not working, and those who are incompetant. not everyone can work, thru either lack of skill or will.
increasing the wealth of the nation is no incentive for the individual to work harder, thats a socialistic idea and it fails. to ensure that people as individuals earn more, increasing the wealth of the nation by making more jobs come available, full time, more total hours of work, and more things produced. that creates scarcity of labour, which is the incentive you seek. making things dificult for business does the oposit.
_strat_ wrote:
40 hrs a week may or may not be fair - personaly I think its still too much. If I connect this with the "pizza argument" - the pizza that we make is more than big enough - we produce more than enough, as does any western society, that has an abundance of material commodities. The distribution is the problem. We could simply redistribute the making of the pizza and the slices - we could all work less than now, and get more for it. If there is a certain amount of unemployment - why not employ them, and we can all work less, because there would be more people doing the work? It all comes down to the free market and the so-called "private property" - which in this case would refer to the private ownership of the means of production. That is the main obstacle.
Now, the incentive to increase wealth of a nation is usualy not an incentive for an individual to work harder. And even if it were, where would be the incentive of the employers and business owners to give us more, if we produce more?
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
Poopiehead!!!! Im telling Karl! Dont make him bust proles on yo ass! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:10:01 AM)
Head banger wrote:
your right, comunism is not realistic at all. ha. got ya!!1
_strat_ wrote:
Suuuuuuuuuure.... Very realistic.
Head banger wrote:
be fair, the borg are the only realistic example of comunism working.
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
'OLD?,WRINKLED?,AND A GAY BORG COLLECTIVE?...Hmmmm,YOU REALLY ARE ON A BIT OF A THEME HERE IT WOULD SEEM....IT'S OK, I'LL STILL DEBATE WITH YOU ANYWAY,I DON'T HOLD GRUDGES AGAINST DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES...PLEASE DON'T ASSIMILATE ME INTO YOUR CLAN...
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. Its probably really old and wrinkled. Uncyclopedia says that "La Cute Ass" is his name since he was assimilated into the gay borg collective... As you will be soon.
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
SOOOOOOOO....YOU THINK HE HAS A CUTE ASS?...Hmmmmmmmm....
_strat_ wrote:
And, of course, La Cute Ass Picard, the new governor of Canada:
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
BOMB CANADA HUH?...TIME YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL!...NOW GO LIE DOWN AND HAVE A NAP,YOU'RE BEGINNING TO TALK GIBBERISH LOUISE!...
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
I hereby declare an independant and sovereign kingdom of Stratland! From hence, the date of 4th of February shall be a state holiday, celebrated by a parade.
The capital city of Stratland is Stratograd - that is officialy the capital city.
The anthem of Stratland is YMCA, of the Village people - for they are so hip
The population of Stratland is very big - trust me!
Also, from hence, I am implementing a visa regime for all Kmacian citizens. Or to put it more casualy: GTFO, biotches!!!
And I hereby give Spapad a quest - travel to Kmacia for Cultural learnings for make benefit glorious nation of Stratistan. Video, please.
Yeah, right, those moves are sooooooooo original... I can outdance him blindfolded. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:38:52 PM)
spapad wrote:
I never knew Darth Was such a fabulous dancer! I see the pink curse wore off. DAMN!!!
Nice Gallactic disco though! LOL Edited at: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:55:05 PM
Well, the fact right now is that business owners own the profits of their respective businesses, and have the right to do with them as they will. As long as businesses stay private, that will be so. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 5:23:32 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...I'm not aying that 'ownership' doesn't have a right to make a profit...if I owned a business, that would be my goal as well...what I'm at odds with is the 'distribution' of wealth...and the fact it's always labor that takes the hit...it would be justifiable if we made the business decisions, but we don't...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you have it. I dont know the numbers, but I would say that it is much the same with us.
We all make the pizza, but those that own the kitchen distribute it - even if they dont have anything to do with the making of the pizza.
ronhartsell wrote:
...Ok, if you have the answer to this...please do tell...
...in America, the top 5% ('upper' class) controls 85% of the money...
...that leaves 95% of us ('middle and lower' classes) to 'fight' for the remaing 15%...these are facts...
...that's what labor is trying to change!!!...and it's been this way for a long time!!!...
Well, there you have it. I dont know the numbers, but I would say that it is much the same with us.
We all make the pizza, but those that own the kitchen distribute it - even if they dont have anything to do with the making of the pizza. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:49:52 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...Ok, if you have the answer to this...please do tell...
...in America, the top 5% ('upper' class) controls 85% of the money...
...that leaves 95% of us ('middle and lower' classes) to 'fight' for the remaing 15%...these are facts...
...that's what labor is trying to change!!!...and it's been this way for a long time!!!...
Good day from me as well... Cold here, not as much as it used to be, and at least it stoped snowing! About half a meter of the stuff is still on the ground, and yesterday it completely paralized us. Even the Ljubljana airport was closed down for snow - first time in over 20 years!
I understand what are you trying to say, that the more there is, the more can be "sliced up" and divided - but... Who guarantees that if the pie increases, my share of it will too? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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Cannuck - you will be asimilated - resistance is futile - bend over - resistance is futile - You will be asimilated - remove your pants - resistance is futile - pass the moose meat - Cannuck - you will be asimilated...
'OLD?,WRINKLED?,AND A GAY BORG COLLECTIVE?...Hmmmm,YOU REALLY ARE ON A BIT OF A THEME HERE IT WOULD SEEM....IT'S OK, I'LL STILL DEBATE WITH YOU ANYWAY,I DON'T HOLD GRUDGES AGAINST DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES...PLEASE DON'T ASSIMILATE ME INTO YOUR CLAN...
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. Its probably really old and wrinkled. Uncyclopedia says that "La Cute Ass" is his name since he was assimilated into the gay borg collective... As you will be soon.
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
SOOOOOOOO....YOU THINK HE HAS A CUTE ASS?...Hmmmmmmmm....
_strat_ wrote:
And, of course, La Cute Ass Picard, the new governor of Canada:
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
BOMB CANADA HUH?...TIME YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL!...NOW GO LIE DOWN AND HAVE A NAP,YOU'RE BEGINNING TO TALK GIBBERISH LOUISE!...
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
40 hrs a week may or may not be fair - personaly I think its still too much. If I connect this with the "pizza argument" - the pizza that we make is more than big enough - we produce more than enough, as does any western society, that has an abundance of material commodities. The distribution is the problem. We could simply redistribute the making of the pizza and the slices - we could all work less than now, and get more for it. If there is a certain amount of unemployment - why not employ them, and we can all work less, because there would be more people doing the work? It all comes down to the free market and the so-called "private property" - which in this case would refer to the private ownership of the means of production. That is the main obstacle.
Now, the incentive to increase wealth of a nation is usualy not an incentive for an individual to work harder. And even if it were, where would be the incentive of the employers and business owners to give us more, if we produce more? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:51:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
40 hours a week seems fair. here its the norm, but you can work 44 before overtime kicks in. As to increasing personal wealth, your doing it wrong. you want each person to have a larger slice of the existing pie. beter is to grow the pie, as with dividing pizza, you probably know that a slice of 15cm pizza cut into 6 pieces is much smaller than a slice of a 30 cm cut into 12 pieces.
the incentive is to increase the wealth that spreads around the country, because by default some of that comes to each person.
_strat_ wrote:
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that?
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
Suuuuuuuuuure.... Very realistic. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 10:50:57 PM)
Head banger wrote:
be fair, the borg are the only realistic example of comunism working.
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
'OLD?,WRINKLED?,AND A GAY BORG COLLECTIVE?...Hmmmm,YOU REALLY ARE ON A BIT OF A THEME HERE IT WOULD SEEM....IT'S OK, I'LL STILL DEBATE WITH YOU ANYWAY,I DON'T HOLD GRUDGES AGAINST DIFFERENT LIFESTYLES...PLEASE DON'T ASSIMILATE ME INTO YOUR CLAN...
_strat_ wrote:
Nope. Its probably really old and wrinkled. Uncyclopedia says that "La Cute Ass" is his name since he was assimilated into the gay borg collective... As you will be soon.
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
SOOOOOOOO....YOU THINK HE HAS A CUTE ASS?...Hmmmmmmmm....
_strat_ wrote:
And, of course, La Cute Ass Picard, the new governor of Canada:
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
BOMB CANADA HUH?...TIME YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL!...NOW GO LIE DOWN AND HAVE A NAP,YOU'RE BEGINNING TO TALK GIBBERISH LOUISE!...
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Nope. Its probably really old and wrinkled. Uncyclopedia says that "La Cute Ass" is his name since he was assimilated into the gay borg collective... As you will be soon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:35:39 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
SOOOOOOOO....YOU THINK HE HAS A CUTE ASS?...Hmmmmmmmm....
_strat_ wrote:
And, of course, La Cute Ass Picard, the new governor of Canada:
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
BOMB CANADA HUH?...TIME YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL!...NOW GO LIE DOWN AND HAVE A NAP,YOU'RE BEGINNING TO TALK GIBBERISH LOUISE!...
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Please, Soy, no need to get vulgar. At least there are no Frenchies preying on my exhaust. And I said it before... I am an attic-dweller! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:33:12 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
WE HAVE A PRIME MINISTER,NOT A PRESIDENT...SILLY PERSON...AND YOU HAVE TO GET A BETTER SELECTION OF MAGS YOU KEEP BY THE TOILET IN YOUR MOMS BASEMENT,THAT YOU VIEW,WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE DOING GOD KNOWS WHAT!......
_strat_ wrote:
Now, now... Dont be so angry! Why dont you have a good look of your new president:
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
BOMB CANADA HUH?...TIME YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL!...NOW GO LIE DOWN AND HAVE A NAP,YOU'RE BEGINNING TO TALK GIBBERISH LOUISE!...
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Maximum work week is already 40 hrs (+ paid overtime). And the proposals from the EU parliament to make it longer were rejected so harshly, that it may come down to seizing the factories, if our government lets them through.
Personal incomes... Well, a minimum wage or circa. 500€ per month are barely enough to survive on, and the pensions that will one days come from that will be so low, that it will be impossible to survive with them. What kind of an incentive is that? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:29:29 PM)
Head banger wrote:
takes time. the more wealth is created, the more each person gets. if no incentive for the individual to create wealth, none is created for anyone. wave a magic wand, double everyones rate of pay. max work week 40 hours. do that tomorow, and your unemployment will be at 20%
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter.
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
Yes, country wide, tho it must be said, its not even. Over here in Ljubljana (capital and the largest city) it may not even be 2%. In some areas, you have small towns that live of one or two companies - usualy factories, mines, and the like, where you often have sons, fathers and grandfathers working together. So when that gets closed, the unemployment rate in such an area can skyrocket. A very familiar scenario, Im afraid.
Now, the more companies hire people, the more the pay... Well, yes. Pay enough? That is another matter. Give them enough spare time? Yet, again, another matter. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:16:01 PM)
Head banger wrote:
strengthen the economy, and no one gets laid off. that 5-6%, is that country wide? the more companys can hire people, the more they have to pay. the union would have failed if the unemployment rate was not low. the legislation can be circumvented, its easy.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed?
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
No, no, no... Thats not how it goes. The Frenchie knocks over an entire trash can, and says: Bend over, and pick up ze trash, really zlow... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:08:47 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's because Pain knew what he was talking about!!! I am old, uneducated in the ways of the world, stubborn and I don't care about anyone but me!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!! Throw my hands in the air, indeed!
I would consider the bomb Canada thing, but it would be a waste of ordinace. Afterall, the Frenchies push them around pretty good so we don't have to....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Except for HB..he's a pretty tough guy. But Soy L'ent vert...well, he is another story. I am starting to believe that he recycles because his French master makes him do so...HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Peek up zat papier and poot zee plastique bottle in zee trash and doo eet now, yoo silly cannnnuck..!"HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
BOMB CANADA HUH?...TIME YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL!...NOW GO LIE DOWN AND HAVE A NAP,YOU'RE BEGINNING TO TALK GIBBERISH LOUISE!...
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Now, now... Dont be so angry! Why dont you have a good look of your new president: [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:49:48 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
BOMB CANADA HUH?...TIME YOU GOT OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL!...NOW GO LIE DOWN AND HAVE A NAP,YOU'RE BEGINNING TO TALK GIBBERISH LOUISE!...
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Well, the unemployment rate here was around 5 or 6 % a couple of months ago. Probably higher now, with the incoming reccesion, and the massive layoffs. And 8,40$/h minimal wage is no joke. Over here, the worker gets maybe half of that. That, and over here many people have to survive with a minimal wage.
Another thing that is good in the legislature, and can be put down to two centuries of labour movements, is the fact that the employer cannot simply fire you and replace you with someone who is prepared to work more for less. So, the employer cannot entirely treat you like a commodity that can be replaced when a better bargain come along. Another reason are the "evil" that you put forward - the unions.
Now, more jobs. That is a good thing, I agree. But what about now? Workers all around the world are getting laid off - 50 million have already lost their jobs, or will shortly. What better way to create pressure on those still employed? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:43:27 PM)
Head banger wrote:
whats the unemployment rate there? if you strengthen the economy, people become the most scarce resource. no one here earns minimum wage, its a joke, ($8.40/hr)
go to the realy booming places, no one makes even double that. people are the ultimate comodity, and unions only work where people are scarce enough that they cant be replaced quickly.
now if 15% of people dont have jobs, the union might survive, but it needs govt help. now in that situation, people see unions as a good thing, but if they dumped them, soon enough, more people would have jobs, and therefore the pay rates would go up. now if you are in somewhere like rwanda, where its 86% unemployed, no union will work, because they can be replaced. the answer is more jobs, which make the worker, not the job of value.
_strat_ wrote:
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time.
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
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First of all, I signed Kyoto - no smoke is coming out of my ears.
Second of all, Chinese would eat you. I mean, literary eat you. Specialy you, Freeze, because you couldnt run from them.
Third, capitalsim may work. Capitalism doesnt. Or this may just be a matter of grammar.
Now, to serious mode...
Frankly, you make me miss PK1990. He was much easier to debate with. You throw your hands in the air, and basicaly say "Works for me" and thats the end of discussion.
Oh, and one thing I agree with you on - Canada. It is a test. If the USA is really the leader of the free world, you should bomb that place ASAP. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 8:37:23 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's see if I can do this without a ton of "backreading:,,,,,,
If "push came to shove" as far as China is concerned, I think we would win. Yes, I believe we could do it but it would depend on who is making the decisions. For example, if we had say a "Clinton" in office, NO. We would stand around playing grab ass until the first Chinese nuke leveled a coastal city then we would end up as strat mentioned. Now, if we had a "Reagan" at the helm (please see Lybia for example) we would stomp the rice out of that place before the first junk could leave port.
As I have said MANY times before, I am not interested in the "little guy". Capitalsim works. It is profitable. It has made me a very comfortable old man and that is that. All of this whining about the poor little countires that get taken advantage of by the big, mean US...BAH!! Too friggin bad! Quit your whining and develop "the bomb"..Israel did!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Oh boy! I can smell the smoke coming out of strat's ears..) HAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!
Finally, you cannnnnnnucks have land that is nothing but a place that we use to keep the cold! HA!!!!!!!! And the French ARE there and they DO push you guys around! How embarrassing must THAT be?? Some little frenchie in a beret with one of those tiny, pencil mustaches ordering you guys around ....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! "Mon fi, geet mee a Pepsee avec a moooose saaanweeech!! Oh, aaan don't forgeeet zee FRENCH fries..." BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Ooops, sorry, I didnt notice this one before. Well, I will answer it now then.
Free market that we are looking at in this particular case would refer to the market of labour. And lets look at how free it is. In developed countries it is not all that free. It is to a large extent, and definatly more than it should be, but not as free as it is in countries that do not have as highly organised labour movements as we do. Thats it. With us, the freedom of the labour market is limited by law. As I said numerous times before, stuff like minimum wages, maximum working hours, pension funds, ect, ect... Are not the kindness of the employers, that stuff is what the employer is legaly obliged to abide.
Now, take away those regulations, and have a completely free labour market. I guarantee you, in ten years it would be either a revolution, or an Orvellian nightmare. Because, if the state does not interfere in the labour market, or does it so little that it is hardly worth mentioning, and does not set the regulations that limit the employer, the market will ultimately lead us into misery and very real slavery. No minimum wages - who guarantees survival? No pensions - who guarantees that you will ever be able to retire, even when youre unfit to continue working? The market (or better said, those that control it -the employers) would make us compete below the lines that are now set as minimum. As I said - the bottom line would be bare survival.
No, no free market, thank you very much. Id rather have my wage and my spare time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:26:16 AM)
Head banger wrote:
thats not because of unions, its because of the free market that in the more developed countries people get more and have more rights
you see, the more jobs there are, the more companies need the workers, and skilled ones at that. in a place with low employement, they know they can abuse people and pay them less, a union wont help, someone else will cross the line to work. Always, the free marked decides, based on scarcity. for the worker, they improve their situation by impriving their skills. for a country, they improve their situation by creating more jobs and wealth. money and work lead to freedom, not slavery towards a union or comunism.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
Lol.... Yeah, that it could. Nuking would be more simple, but I guess your plan isnt bad either. And it could serve as an inspiration for a kickass computer game too. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:27:27 AM)
Head banger wrote:
true, the defender has the advantage, and definatly lets not find out.
could resolve the population issues of the world in short order.
_strat_ wrote:
True, but whoever would be the attacker would have to bring the army to the enemy... And with the US navy, I think the US has the upper hand here.
Also, the defender would have an advantage. IDK. Hopefuly, we wont find out.
Head banger wrote:
eliminate the nukes, and forget that there are losers in every war. forget economics also, just a straight up war. the ants would win. sure technology is nice, but china could field a 300 million person army if nessesary.
_strat_ wrote:
In case of US vs. China, there cant really be a winner. The US has the technology and the experience, China has numbers and an almost ant-like mentality. And both have nukes. Once China starts getting out of its borders, and acting the same way the US does (a matter of time, imo) we will have a new cold war. Pity, this time we are already choosing sides, instead of being nice and neutral like we were the last time.
Head banger wrote:
my point wasnt actualy about america, it was protectionist trade policies. I put forth that they hurt the country seeking protection just as much as those they trade with. long term, to be successfull, you need more successfull partners. is it better to get half a 8 inch pizza or a quarter of a 16 inch pizza. now remember your geometry.
BTW, do you think your armed forces could take down china if push came to shove? you could nuke eachother into oblivion, but thats lose lose. could you win?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
True, but whoever would be the attacker would have to bring the army to the enemy... And with the US navy, I think the US has the upper hand here.
Also, the defender would have an advantage. IDK. Hopefuly, we wont find out. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:16:19 AM)
Head banger wrote:
eliminate the nukes, and forget that there are losers in every war. forget economics also, just a straight up war. the ants would win. sure technology is nice, but china could field a 300 million person army if nessesary.
_strat_ wrote:
In case of US vs. China, there cant really be a winner. The US has the technology and the experience, China has numbers and an almost ant-like mentality. And both have nukes. Once China starts getting out of its borders, and acting the same way the US does (a matter of time, imo) we will have a new cold war. Pity, this time we are already choosing sides, instead of being nice and neutral like we were the last time.
Head banger wrote:
my point wasnt actualy about america, it was protectionist trade policies. I put forth that they hurt the country seeking protection just as much as those they trade with. long term, to be successfull, you need more successfull partners. is it better to get half a 8 inch pizza or a quarter of a 16 inch pizza. now remember your geometry.
BTW, do you think your armed forces could take down china if push came to shove? you could nuke eachother into oblivion, but thats lose lose. could you win?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
You too. Damn time zones... I will be leaving work in two hours! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 5:27:47 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...speaking of which, I must leave for work myself...but I'm with on that!!!...more later, have a good one!!...
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it.
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
Well, thats how it is. Not just in sweatshops and third world countries. Thats how labour markets work. The person that is prepared to work the longest hours, for the smallest possible wage, with minimum allowed rights... Gets the job. The only difference between us (as in the "developed world") and them (as in the "developing world") is that we have a more organised labour movement (and in our case it is the legacy of socialism), and laws that guarantee certain minimums and maximums. The employer cannot give you less than the minimal wage. He cannot force you to work longer than the law says. The principal is the same as in sweatshops, tho, only they dont have any law-enforced bottom lines. There the bottom line is bare survival.
And quite frankly... If the choice is slavery or playing on an uneven field, I choose the uneven field. And in any case, free trade as it is applied today, leads to slavery, there can be no doubt about it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 4:52:50 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...oh, strat...I've watched investigations into Wal Mart and how the products end up on the shelves...not only to they pit other countries against each other in bidding wars for labor, but then they pit the workers against each other to drive costs down even more...it's very sad...and it's all legal in these countries because their governments don't care how they get the work just so long as they get it...I've watched people get beat, attack each other, fired because someone walks in the door and says they can work for 5¢ less a day...it's dehumanizing...but you'll never see any of that in a Wal Mart ad...and this is just one example, I'm not even getting into 'sweat shops'...ppl providing cheap labor to work off debts in exchange for work visa's...you won't see that legally happening in our borders!!!...and those that do face harsh penalties, jail time, deportation if applicable...this is a crux to free trade...America(n) (policy) can't and won't accept that, and 'her' ppl find it a tragedy...this way of doing business is why I claim an un-even playing field (among others)!!
_strat_ wrote:
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
I sure can say it, and it wouldnt be the first time I did it in here. We get back to the capitalist system, and its implementation on a global level, especialy in a very unevenly developed world.
Now, what you probably mean is that Wal-Mart doesnt have anything "made in USA" on its shelves - but the companies that produce it are American. 1$ a week stuff - just like you said yourself. Much the same here. I would bet my life that the computer Im using right now was made somewhere in Southeast Asia. Screw the quality of life - the bosses dont care about it. They never worked a day themselves, never had to live with a limited amount of basic neccesities... They dont understand, and if they did they probably wouldnt give a shit anyway. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, February 03, 2009 3:45:55 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...can anyone say 'corporate greed'??...and it is without boundaries or nationality, it's what happens in 'free' trade...the rich get richer, no matter what the cost...look at Wal Mart, owned and operated by Americans, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything American made on the shelves...a lot of it is the cheapest sh*t you'll find, but it costs nothing to put it on the shelves, and we've been dealing with this for years...why do you think companies outsource??, so they can get away with paying $1 a week in wages...wtf is that??...where's the quality of life??
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
Well, I thought it was directed at me, since I raised a voice against the US economy. In any case, if PK1990 is reading, then I will be declared an America hatin`, freedom loathin`, terrorist loathin` liberal sissy by default.
Ok, down to business. You may not care for the effects of American policies outside of the US, and you may think that it is just fine, and that you guys are helping out more than you are hurting. Bullshit. You know, markets are free, but that doesnt mean that people are too. We are pretty new to the game, admitedly. Us, the rest of former Yugoslavia, and the Warsaw pact had a very closed economy 20 years ago. But as soon as it opened, we were stormed by western companies, who came here with cheaper products (can you say outsourcing?), that were advertised wildly (and still are), and ours could not compete - hence why so many of east European companies were obliterated in the 90s. Or, whenever western companies (American or otherwise) saw competition there, they bought a company and simply closed it. That way of making money certainly is bad, wheter you care for it or not. And thats the way how the west became rich. Economic colonisation. No charity can ever outweight that. Not to mention that we buy your products, but dont recieve charity. Again, the "rest of the world" is not just some place - its many places, with different relations with you guys.
Now, plenty of morality in there... You may not care for it, but there it is. You need us way more than we need you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 02, 2009 5:07:00 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I knew it!! I knew I could count on you!! HAHAHAHAA!!! OK, debate, you say? That will be fine.
I do not refer to you personally as a "hater". In fact, I would be quite surprised if you actually "hate" anyone. You are too smart a fellow for that nonsense (you too, Soy!) .As for "arguments", I have no need for any as I am not looking to argue my feelings. There is NO debate. If you carry a personal distaste for politicians, I really cannot see how that is anything special. It is oh so fashionable to declare one's distaste for politicians. I see them as a functioning part of our world. They are what they are and I certainly cannot change that. Neither can you. For what it is worth, I do not personally know any politicians so I have no particular affinity for them, either.
As for you saying anything regarding business and trade, you are entitled to your opinion. I never said I have a problem with YOU. That would be silly. I speak of this ridiculous notion (promoted by a small but vocal group) that the US is somehow taking advantage of unsuspecting, Third World nations and forcing our evil products and policies upon them. Yeah, Yeah..OK. As you so eloquently pointed out, markets are open. FREE trade! Making money is NOT a bad thing, man! If we turn a profit, that is GREAT! That is the WHOLE idea! If we see a market wherein we can make a profit, we target that market. Smart business, I say. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple enough. Global colonization?!?!? HA!!!! Yeah, OK.
As for charity, you can deny it if you wish but the US sends aid to many, many "poor" countries. It is what we do and not just when a friggin tidal wave hits. We are one of the most "giving" nations on the planet. As for war..well, it is what it is. Yes, we bomb enemies. And we do it well. I believe we are 12 and 1...or is it 11 and 2?? ...not bad. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (sorry)
As for "envy". I do not recall saying that. I am sure there are a lot of countries with a GREAT economy and lifestyle. Equally, there are a lot of poor countries and they get HAND OUTS. I do know this, if there was a way for the US to be "shut out" of the trade world, YES! It would initially have an effect on our economy..AND me. What I meant by my comments was, this country has AMPLE resources. We could survive just fine without the rest of the world and that includes OIL! We have plenty.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:44:29 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least. America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:09:30 PM Edited at: Monday, February 02, 2009 5:15:31 PM
In case of US vs. China, there cant really be a winner. The US has the technology and the experience, China has numbers and an almost ant-like mentality. And both have nukes. Once China starts getting out of its borders, and acting the same way the US does (a matter of time, imo) we will have a new cold war. Pity, this time we are already choosing sides, instead of being nice and neutral like we were the last time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 02, 2009 10:29:45 PM)
Head banger wrote:
my point wasnt actualy about america, it was protectionist trade policies. I put forth that they hurt the country seeking protection just as much as those they trade with. long term, to be successfull, you need more successfull partners. is it better to get half a 8 inch pizza or a quarter of a 16 inch pizza. now remember your geometry.
BTW, do you think your armed forces could take down china if push came to shove? you could nuke eachother into oblivion, but thats lose lose. could you win?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
In that case, Israel is the most generous country in the world. Dont even think to compare the two. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:55:49 PM)
Head banger wrote:
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons!
realy? darn, must rethink that policy. perhaps that is the issue between hamas and isreal, hama's gifts are not welcomed as they should be.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least.
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Oh, ffs... Couldnt you post that half an hour earlier? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 02, 2009 4:18:55 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah strat! I knew I could count on you to get your feathers ruffled! Hack away, my friend for I am dead serious. I am fully aware that I have opened myself to a lambasting of sorts, but I really don't care. I will never apologize for being an American citizen AND, I am damn proud of it. As for my rather "coarse" language, I guess I could tone that down a bit...HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And 'Toast, my friend, if you want the latest on Obama, simply open a tabloid. There are as many, if not more, articles about his choice of socks as there are Brittney Spears reports!
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, I want to know if that is serious or are you just fooling around. If its the latter, ok. If its the former... You will get disemboweled.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Ok,... Im going to assume that you were serious... In which case I suggest that you sit back, read what you wrote and think. You are not dumb. I dont know how you can come to such conclusions as you did, but lets clear up certain things. (Oh, Im going to put my text in red, and the quoted in white - just to avoid confusion).
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash
You might as well say that that refers to me. Everyone knows it does. In any case, lets clear up this "America-Hater" bullshit, since I see that it is very popular with American conservatives, when they are out of arguments. You oppose American policies - you hate America.
What would I hate about America? The land? The mountains, forests, coasts, soil... Why? The people? Why? Most of them havent done anything to me. That means that I would have to hate Tim, Guido, Darth, Bev... You! I dont, you know that! Now, American policies, and the people that make and carry out those policies... Politicians... That would be closer to the truth. Businessmen? The big ones? Certainly.
Point: you cannot think of a country as you would think of an individual person. There is so much more to it.
forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s!
I never said or claimed that your politicians or businessmen somehow force us into trading with you. Markets are open. Companies trade. It is the way of capitalism. And it benefits you guys much more than it does us. Or, at least, it benefits your corporations. I can hardly Imagine that you personaly have any direct gain from it. Lets get another thing straight: the US companies are not trading with us because of charity or solidarity. They found a new market, and nations that are not used to living in capitalism. And they made billions. They sell their products to us. Sell, not give. And they dont sell at a loss, no way. They sell because they make profit of us. Ok. Thats the way of it, and it seems that there isnt a thing we can do right now to rectify it.
Do not for one minute think that we cant do without you, however. "We" meaning the rest of the world here. If tomorow all American products disapear from our markets... We will buy others. What will you do? What will your companies do, when they will run out of money? Remember... The worlds population is 6 billion. The American is about 300 milion. Think how the market would shrink for your companies. You (and this time I mean "you" as you, the individual) would feel it. You would feel it a lot. Because even tho it is the richest, the USA is still just one country, among hundreds of others. And you do need the rest of the world. If you want to keep up with your current lifestyle, at least.
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact.
Now, that, and the "handout" thingy. I dont know for many other countries, but we never recieved ANY handouts from the US. Yet we trade with you. We buy American stuff. Right now I have Lewis jeans on me (made in Croatia - but the profit went to the USA). And I dont actualy mind it all that much. Sure, they are not the best jeans that money can buy, but I like them well enough. Even tho the profit made from those jeans went to the USA. You see... I bought them, paid for them, and because of that, a certain amount of money went to the USA, where a certain amount of tax was paid to your government, that used that tax on something that may just well be for you. Now... Can you say "thank you"? And, knowing what wages are like in Croatia, Id say that quite a large part of the money I paid for the jeans went to the USA. Thats how it goes. And there are literary billions of euros made that way, all around the world from people who buy American goods.
And lets be clear on another thing as well - bombing a country does NOT count as a gift of weapons! And no matter how much America helps other countries - people who have suffered from American foreign policy have every right in the world to hate whatever they percieve as the USA. And please... PLEASE... What handouts? Aid when theres an earthquake somewhere? How does that equal out the economic colonisation of the rest of the world?
And please, explain... Why in the world do you think we envy you?!?! Envy you what? Your freedom? I actualy believe that I have more freedom here than you do there.
Infact, this attitude in your post is childish. "I dont need you! I dont need ANYONE!!!" Well, guess what... You do.
In any case, I went on about it.. And I think I have all points covered. Im sure that I will hear more from you... Just remember: no need to pop blood vessels, and Im not upset or anything. Just debate. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 02, 2009 10:56:09 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
First of all, I want to know if that is serious or are you just fooling around. If its the latter, ok. If its the former... You will get disemboweled. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, February 02, 2009 10:56:09 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK. I am going to take a chance and assume that I have enough "friends" here to say somethings without being cyber-disemboweled...
I am SO sick of all the "America-Haters" talking trash about how the big, bad United States is SO mean and forces all these poor, unsuspecting countries to trade with us and genuflect and all this other b.s! WHATEVER!! Let's get something straight right here and now; we don't NEED anyone else!! NO ONE! We can survive quite nicely without the trade of ANY other country. We are kind enough to ship good and services and AID to others and accept some of the same in return. This imaginary (yes I said imaginary) belief that we would crumble without the "rest of the world" or that we somehow "man handle" these poor little countires into accepting our "inferior" products is just plain BULLSH%$ !!!!!!!!
America helps FAR more than she hurts and that is a fact. We would have NO problem slamming our doors to the rest of the world and moving along just fine but for the fact that the REST of the WORLD needs US!!!!!!! That's right! I said it!! We are the RICHEST, most POWERFUL nation on earth and that just galls some people. Well, too fu%&@$% bad!!!!!!!! I have yet to see one of these poor, oppressed and disadvantaged countries refuse an American hand out! And they won't. because they NEED us........ Just like they NEED our trade. The American worker puts out a quality product and we can compete with ANYONE, ANYWHERE! So there.
Well, I just have to comment on that. While it is true that there are customs imposed on US products (and at the meantime there are no customs imposed on products from other EU countries), the US products still reign supreme on our shelves. Ok, maybe not cars, being that US cars are way too thirsty and not at all suited for our needs, but the rest is in full force. From small stuff like Coke or Pepsi, down to the really expensive like computers, software and the like. Sure, they compete with other products from Japan, China and the Asian tigers, but the US companies (at least in the European market) have a firm grip, and wont let it go, even tho there may be products that are made in the EU that could take their place, but cannot, simply because the US companies have an established grip on the markets and wont let anyone near. I wonder how that qualifies as uneven playing field for the US. Customs or no customs. Not to mention the cultural influence in anything from movies, music, clothes (Lewis shops can be found in full force here, and they are selling very expensive stuff, even tho the quality is not always the best), computer games... The fact of the matter is, that if the EU and the rest of the worlds powers would shut the US out (with really high customs or otherwise), you guys would have such a depression, that 1930s would pale in comparison. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, February 01, 2009 11:01:34 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to admit that I am not up to date on the current situation, but if the past serves to represent the present , the comparison is really not on equal footing. If the U.S. imposed the same tariffs on imported products as other countries imposed on our products exported to them we would probably be ok, but that never seems to be the case. The U.S. is always expected to compete on an uneven playing field and just shut up and play.
How dare you say that to me, The Great Humungus, The lord Humungus, the Warrior of the wasteland, the Ajatolah of Rockandrollah!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:37:23 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Nice . . . lame, but nice. These are guns !
_strat_ wrote:
Well, unfortunately for you, I didnt rob Saddam Husseins household guard... My guns are not only real, but are really, really big. And cool. And multi-purpose.
guitardude wrote:
I usually only have to point it at some poor fool and that gets the job done. If all else fails, I`ll beat them about the head and body with it!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Wow! A beauty! Folding stock, the caliber looks like a 7,62, so Im guessing its an AKS, maybe AKMS or one of the non-Soviet variants...
Theres just one problem to... You know, a gold gun cannot fire.
guitardude wrote:
Nah, this is all the gold I will ever need.
_strat_ wrote:
Lack of C vitamin?
Oh, and my sailors all agree - golden teeth are sooooooooooo 70s.... 1670s, to be precise, but hey... We are not all fancy-asses like someone I could mention. Btw, ever considered gold plating your ribs?
guitardude wrote:
Yes Strat it is gold plated, but have you ever wondered why all your sailors are toothless?
_strat_ wrote:
Oooohh... Fancy, are we? I bet its gold plated... You are the most fashionable skeleton I ever met!
guitardude wrote:
Can`t you see in the photo below that my "handbag" has a strap made from chain!! When you`re all bones like I am...you tend to have issues!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on now... What are YOU going to do? Beat me with your handbag?
guitardude wrote:
Never under estimate the "bad attitude" of a sissy!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:26:41 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Theres nothing like an old fart with an attitude. Is he retired now? I sure hope so. Him, I would be afraid of. But that grandchild of his is really a sissy.
guitardude wrote:
628 why? He still kicked ass up to 750.
_strat_ wrote:
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500?
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Well, who said that George isnt the fault of Texas?
In any case... I was kidding. Austria is a beautifull country, and I know a couple of places there that make the best damn wiener schnitzels in the world.
C'mon, that's not the fault of Austria!!
The same with Texas and George!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. Austria is really beautifull. A bit cold for my taste, but still beautifull. The only drawback is that Ahnuld the Guvernator is from there.
scorpion01 wrote:
I'VE NEVER BEEN TO SOUTH AMERICA. CANCUN IS AS CLOSE AS I'VE BEEN.
BUT, I WAS IN SWITZERLAND QUITE OFTEN WHILE IN COLLEGE IN AUSTRIA. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACE IN THE WORLD. UNTIL I WENT TO WESTERN CANADA.
tasnam1 wrote:
Devils_child,
I like you taste in Countries!!!
South America and Switzerland are the best!!!
Tasnam
devils_child wrote:
I've been to: England, Germany, Russia, Hungary..... (Stepped foot into); North korea, Latvia, Switzerland, France. I want to go back to Germany and England..................... Yeah! Canada and Czech Republic would be sweet too, and i've always had a soft spot for South America. ....
Someone has a dirty mind, eh? I suggest you watch womans volleyball instead. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:59:22 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thought I would "pop" in real quickly and say THANKS A LOT to all of you boneheads!!!!!! I am sitting here watching the fights and I cannot help but think of the sexual images you all were so kind enough to give me during our last conversation about the UFC!!!! Ye GODS!!! This is quite disturbing!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will get you for this........
Yup. Austria is really beautifull. A bit cold for my taste, but still beautifull. The only drawback is that Ahnuld the Guvernator is from there. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by scorpion01 from Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:05:04 PM)
scorpion01 wrote:
I'VE NEVER BEEN TO SOUTH AMERICA. CANCUN IS AS CLOSE AS I'VE BEEN.
BUT, I WAS IN SWITZERLAND QUITE OFTEN WHILE IN COLLEGE IN AUSTRIA. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PLACE IN THE WORLD. UNTIL I WENT TO WESTERN CANADA.
tasnam1 wrote:
Devils_child,
I like you taste in Countries!!!
South America and Switzerland are the best!!!
Tasnam
devils_child wrote:
I've been to: England, Germany, Russia, Hungary..... (Stepped foot into); North korea, Latvia, Switzerland, France. I want to go back to Germany and England..................... Yeah! Canada and Czech Republic would be sweet too, and i've always had a soft spot for South America. ....
Well, unfortunately for you, I didnt rob Saddam Husseins household guard... My guns are not only real, but are really, really big. And cool. And multi-purpose.
I usually only have to point it at some poor fool and that gets the job done. If all else fails, I`ll beat them about the head and body with it!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Wow! A beauty! Folding stock, the caliber looks like a 7,62, so Im guessing its an AKS, maybe AKMS or one of the non-Soviet variants...
Theres just one problem to... You know, a gold gun cannot fire.
guitardude wrote:
Nah, this is all the gold I will ever need.
_strat_ wrote:
Lack of C vitamin?
Oh, and my sailors all agree - golden teeth are sooooooooooo 70s.... 1670s, to be precise, but hey... We are not all fancy-asses like someone I could mention. Btw, ever considered gold plating your ribs?
guitardude wrote:
Yes Strat it is gold plated, but have you ever wondered why all your sailors are toothless?
_strat_ wrote:
Oooohh... Fancy, are we? I bet its gold plated... You are the most fashionable skeleton I ever met!
guitardude wrote:
Can`t you see in the photo below that my "handbag" has a strap made from chain!! When you`re all bones like I am...you tend to have issues!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on now... What are YOU going to do? Beat me with your handbag?
guitardude wrote:
Never under estimate the "bad attitude" of a sissy!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:26:41 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Theres nothing like an old fart with an attitude. Is he retired now? I sure hope so. Him, I would be afraid of. But that grandchild of his is really a sissy.
guitardude wrote:
628 why? He still kicked ass up to 750.
_strat_ wrote:
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500?
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, OK!!! God is a sissy!!! There!! You happy???? Well, I have to attend to some other issues before the fight so, Good Evening!!!
No, no, no, no, no!!! Not me! DARTH is a sissy! Say it! No fights and pizzas before you say it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:59:04 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, OK!!! God is a sissy!!! There!! You happy???? Well, I have to attend to some other issues before the fight so, Good Evening!!!
...or it may just be that youre trying to say that youre all a bunch of sissies? Now, why dont you just accept it. Your god is a pink sissy. Come on, say it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:49:59 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We popes have to use what we have available!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, for my sake! I know that this is an international forum, but your just pushing it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:45:15 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dominus noster ad templum sanctum suum vocare dignatus est, ut fiat templum Dei vivi, et Spiritus Sanctus habitet in eo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spapad wrote:
You will have to use stronger stuff! He is still pink! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, as "pope" I guess it falls on me to exorcise this vile, pink demon!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exorcizo te, omnis spiritus immunde, in nomine Dei Patris omnipotentis, et in nomine Jesu Christi Filii ejus, Domini et Judicis nostri, et virtute Spiritus Sancti.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spapad wrote:
Yet,.................SO right!!!!!! HA!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is just SO wrong!!!!!!
spapad wrote:
I have a better plan for Darth! THE ULTIMATE HUMILIATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pretty in Pink?
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Now we have something... First asignment: bring me Darths head on a plate! Medium done, hold the vegetables.
spapad wrote:
Oh look.............finally found some legions and hoards! And the other guy is big enough to be a batallian!
Well, I dont speak latin, but I managed to decipher some of that...
It appears that you are attempting to excorcise an evil spirit in the name of J.C., his dad and his invisible friend... Who appears to be omnipotent (impotent?). Now whats up with that? Arent you supposed to be evil? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:37:52 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, as "pope" I guess it falls on me to exorcise this vile, pink demon!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Exorcizo te, omnis spiritus immunde, in nomine Dei Patris omnipotentis, et in nomine Jesu Christi Filii ejus, Domini et Judicis nostri, et virtute Spiritus Sancti.....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
spapad wrote:
Yet,.................SO right!!!!!! HA!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is just SO wrong!!!!!!
spapad wrote:
I have a better plan for Darth! THE ULTIMATE HUMILIATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pretty in Pink?
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Now we have something... First asignment: bring me Darths head on a plate! Medium done, hold the vegetables.
spapad wrote:
Oh look.............finally found some legions and hoards! And the other guy is big enough to be a batallian!
My dear! That is F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S!!! You are sooooooooooooooo going to be my fashion designer! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, January 31, 2009 5:12:52 PM)
spapad wrote:
I have a better plan for Darth! THE ULTIMATE HUMILIATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pretty in Pink?
_strat_ wrote:
Great! Now we have something... First asignment: bring me Darths head on a plate! Medium done, hold the vegetables.
spapad wrote:
Oh look.............finally found some legions and hoards! And the other guy is big enough to be a batallian!
Wow! A beauty! Folding stock, the caliber looks like a 7,62, so Im guessing its an AKS, maybe AKMS or one of the non-Soviet variants...
Theres just one problem to... You know, a gold gun cannot fire. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:57:03 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Nah, this is all the gold I will ever need.
_strat_ wrote:
Lack of C vitamin?
Oh, and my sailors all agree - golden teeth are sooooooooooo 70s.... 1670s, to be precise, but hey... We are not all fancy-asses like someone I could mention. Btw, ever considered gold plating your ribs?
guitardude wrote:
Yes Strat it is gold plated, but have you ever wondered why all your sailors are toothless?
_strat_ wrote:
Oooohh... Fancy, are we? I bet its gold plated... You are the most fashionable skeleton I ever met!
guitardude wrote:
Can`t you see in the photo below that my "handbag" has a strap made from chain!! When you`re all bones like I am...you tend to have issues!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on now... What are YOU going to do? Beat me with your handbag?
guitardude wrote:
Never under estimate the "bad attitude" of a sissy!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:26:41 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Theres nothing like an old fart with an attitude. Is he retired now? I sure hope so. Him, I would be afraid of. But that grandchild of his is really a sissy.
guitardude wrote:
628 why? He still kicked ass up to 750.
_strat_ wrote:
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500?
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Well, I regret to inform you that mr. D. Alighieri has been dead for some 700 years. He did not leave a testament, so by law of the Holy Kingdom of Strat, all his earthly (or under-earthly) possesions have been taken over by the reigning monarch - me.
We can negotaite over Purgatory, tho. Never liked the place.
My friend did find an easment clause on said property, so looks like he already has the rights to that level. I'll try to dig in the closet and see if I cant dust of a few demon batallions. HA!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Id really have to look into the real-estate prices. I think we could agree on renting the place, but the cost would be... Let me see... A battalion of demons every month to kick Darths ass?
spapad wrote:
Strat, Dante wants his seventh level of hell back................Can we bargain here?
LOL Strat, I see someone is feeling a bit fiesty since he's got his own realm! LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Lack of C vitamin?
Oh, and my sailors all agree - golden teeth are sooooooooooo 70s.... 1670s, to be precise, but hey... We are not all fancy-asses like someone I could mention. Btw, ever considered gold plating your ribs?
guitardude wrote:
Yes Strat it is gold plated, but have you ever wondered why all your sailors are toothless?
_strat_ wrote:
Oooohh... Fancy, are we? I bet its gold plated... You are the most fashionable skeleton I ever met!
guitardude wrote:
Can`t you see in the photo below that my "handbag" has a strap made from chain!! When you`re all bones like I am...you tend to have issues!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on now... What are YOU going to do? Beat me with your handbag?
guitardude wrote:
Never under estimate the "bad attitude" of a sissy!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:26:41 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Theres nothing like an old fart with an attitude. Is he retired now? I sure hope so. Him, I would be afraid of. But that grandchild of his is really a sissy.
guitardude wrote:
628 why? He still kicked ass up to 750.
_strat_ wrote:
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500?
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Well, Id really have to look into the real-estate prices. I think we could agree on renting the place, but the cost would be... Let me see... A battalion of demons every month to kick Darths ass? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, January 30, 2009 8:31:07 PM)
spapad wrote:
Strat, Dante wants his seventh level of hell back................Can we bargain here?
Ive seen pictures of it - I imagine it has to be one hell of a sight to be there. Why do you guys have to make everything so big? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Friday, January 30, 2009 5:30:34 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
...Not to mention the Grand Canyon, it's so big it can be seen from space!!
Head banger wrote:
badlands, tumbleweeds!!!!
come on over. we also have nice mountains
_strat_ wrote:
Might as well ask where I would NOT want to go... It would be a shorter answer...
In any case, I would like to go through central Asia. The landscape of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and all other -stans looks really nice. And Ive seen some really cool pictures of Astana (Kazakh capital), and it looks like a nice and clean city. Not really what Borat Sagdyev would have us think.
Oh, and I would go to the Americas - specialy South America, the andes and the "badlands" (or however you call them) in the N. America.
North Italy is nice, Ive been there a couple of times. Venice, Gardaland, and down to Tuscany in Pisa and Florence, Vinci (Leonardo Da Vincis birthplace). Really nice, but if you plan a trip there, I suggest going in the middle of the winter - cold, but with fewer tourists. That way you wont have to wait in a line for two hours to see anything worth seeing.
Like Strat, I would be easier to list where I don't want to go than where I would love to see before I die. If I won the lottery big time (which would be impossible, since I don't play) I would take six to eight half years at a time and travel the world, stay in places for some time and really get to know the culture. I would take my daughter with me with two of the best private tutors I could get so she would not fall behind at school. The education she would get just traveling the world would be beyond compare to what a book can teach. First destination,...........Northern Italy, then on................
Oh, and my sailors all agree - golden teeth are sooooooooooo 70s.... 1670s, to be precise, but hey... We are not all fancy-asses like someone I could mention. Btw, ever considered gold plating your ribs?
Yes Strat it is gold plated, but have you ever wondered why all your sailors are toothless?
_strat_ wrote:
Oooohh... Fancy, are we? I bet its gold plated... You are the most fashionable skeleton I ever met!
guitardude wrote:
Can`t you see in the photo below that my "handbag" has a strap made from chain!! When you`re all bones like I am...you tend to have issues!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on now... What are YOU going to do? Beat me with your handbag?
guitardude wrote:
Never under estimate the "bad attitude" of a sissy!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:26:41 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Theres nothing like an old fart with an attitude. Is he retired now? I sure hope so. Him, I would be afraid of. But that grandchild of his is really a sissy.
guitardude wrote:
628 why? He still kicked ass up to 750.
_strat_ wrote:
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500?
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Hell? Well, at least their souls wont have to go far when their bodies fail... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, January 30, 2009 9:29:57 AM)
Head banger wrote:
hey, in hell, everyone lasts untill all are satisfied!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Nope, just pointing out that the Faithfull Defenders are... Past their prime, shall we say? Perhpas they can do one song, but can they last trough the entire set?
Head banger wrote:
Threats now? like thats gonna work
_strat_ wrote:
...provided that the lead singer survives the first song.
Head banger wrote:
well dc, I dont think its my place to give you said rundown, as I run neither strat dom, or its hell. however exciting news. As the entertainment director for hell, I have booked a major concert. Date has yet to be finalized, but I have contacted the manager for the Faithfull Defenders, and they will be playing a full set for us soon!!!!
Might as well ask where I would NOT want to go... It would be a shorter answer...
In any case, I would like to go through central Asia. The landscape of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, and all other -stans looks really nice. And Ive seen some really cool pictures of Astana (Kazakh capital), and it looks like a nice and clean city. Not really what Borat Sagdyev would have us think.
Oh, and I would go to the Americas - specialy South America, the andes and the "badlands" (or however you call them) in the N. America.
Thats "Almighty" Poopy head for you, mortal! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, January 30, 2009 8:34:14 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh yeah??? Well, you are a poopy-head!!! HAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Whats this? You smell it? Something sure stinks... Wait, I know what is it... Its an old fart exploding! (j/k)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!!!!!!!! Just a STRAT DAMNED minute here!!!! Past our prime???????? Why, I oughtta....you...you... AAARRRGGGHH!! Listen wiseguy, since when did YOU become a music critic????? Past our prime, indeed!!! A pox upon thee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Nope, just pointing out that the Faithfull Defenders are... Past their prime, shall we say? Perhpas they can do one song, but can they last trough the entire set?
Head banger wrote:
Threats now? like thats gonna work
_strat_ wrote:
...provided that the lead singer survives the first song.
Head banger wrote:
well dc, I dont think its my place to give you said rundown, as I run neither strat dom, or its hell. however exciting news. As the entertainment director for hell, I have booked a major concert. Date has yet to be finalized, but I have contacted the manager for the Faithfull Defenders, and they will be playing a full set for us soon!!!!
Whats this? You smell it? Something sure stinks... Wait, I know what is it... Its an old fart exploding! (j/k) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, January 30, 2009 8:23:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!!!!!!!! Just a STRAT DAMNED minute here!!!! Past our prime???????? Why, I oughtta....you...you... AAARRRGGGHH!! Listen wiseguy, since when did YOU become a music critic????? Past our prime, indeed!!! A pox upon thee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Nope, just pointing out that the Faithfull Defenders are... Past their prime, shall we say? Perhpas they can do one song, but can they last trough the entire set?
Head banger wrote:
Threats now? like thats gonna work
_strat_ wrote:
...provided that the lead singer survives the first song.
Head banger wrote:
well dc, I dont think its my place to give you said rundown, as I run neither strat dom, or its hell. however exciting news. As the entertainment director for hell, I have booked a major concert. Date has yet to be finalized, but I have contacted the manager for the Faithfull Defenders, and they will be playing a full set for us soon!!!!
Excuse me, but DC is my Head Dominatrix! Read it and weep, you Fall Out Boy-listening, rap-liking, in-duh-vidual! BWHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!!!!
And since the Faithful Defenders are METAL, then they play in Hell w/o fear of reprisal, and they get paid handsomely.
DC, here's the rundown...._strat_ is all by his lonesome because he does not have the moxy to out-cool me because he listens to rap, Britney Spears, Fall Out Boy, and wants to place the Faithful Defenders in his dungeons and not pay them. Oh, and he drives a Model-T Ford.
Whereas, I drive....a Lamborghini Estoque!
Oh, and sinning is encouraged in my realm. The only rule is no rap or shitty music in Hell except for torture purposes.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you havent forsaken me, then I guess you should get to work - take the price list and start taking da cash from da sinnerz. After youre done with that, you can book the Faithfull Defenders in our dungeons.
devils_child wrote:
Damn it what the hell has happened to the thread!!!!! Dude..... Devildeal PM me and i'll tell you how to post pics..... ***GAHHH***......
....... SO where do we stand on this whole religion thing?..... Someone want to give me a run down on the happenings..
Nope, just pointing out that the Faithfull Defenders are... Past their prime, shall we say? Perhpas they can do one song, but can they last trough the entire set? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, January 30, 2009 7:23:52 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Threats now? like thats gonna work
_strat_ wrote:
...provided that the lead singer survives the first song.
Head banger wrote:
well dc, I dont think its my place to give you said rundown, as I run neither strat dom, or its hell. however exciting news. As the entertainment director for hell, I have booked a major concert. Date has yet to be finalized, but I have contacted the manager for the Faithfull Defenders, and they will be playing a full set for us soon!!!!
Agreed - Garlic and honey sounds more like a recipe for a diharea than anything else to me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, January 30, 2009 4:46:52 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Tell him that hot green tea and a dab of honey works equally well.
Necroticist wrote:
o great...mate rob is here...says to put garlic in a jar of honey and mix with hot water...take 3 times a day...he was biochemist so maybe some truth in that
Im just waiting for the weekend, when I will assault it with plenty of hot tea, C vitamin and the like. Hopefully, I wont cough like crazy anymore on monday. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Necroticist from Friday, January 30, 2009 4:21:47 AM)
Necroticist wrote:
Is not just you Strat - uk is on epidemic level...we could float this lil' island on snot/phlegm...lol
_strat_ wrote:
Hey boys and gals... Hows everyone doing? Anyone else sick, or just me? I swear, if there was a market nieche for snot, I coould sell it enough to retire on...
Oooohh... Fancy, are we? I bet its gold plated... You are the most fashionable skeleton I ever met! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:29:21 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Can`t you see in the photo below that my "handbag" has a strap made from chain!! When you`re all bones like I am...you tend to have issues!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on now... What are YOU going to do? Beat me with your handbag?
guitardude wrote:
Never under estimate the "bad attitude" of a sissy!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:26:41 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Theres nothing like an old fart with an attitude. Is he retired now? I sure hope so. Him, I would be afraid of. But that grandchild of his is really a sissy.
guitardude wrote:
628 why? He still kicked ass up to 750.
_strat_ wrote:
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500?
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Hey boys and gals... Hows everyone doing? Anyone else sick, or just me? I swear, if there was a market nieche for snot, I coould sell it enough to retire on...
What? Did he say something that isnt true? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN from Thursday, January 29, 2009 11:46:06 PM)
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...I'LL GET YOU AT RECESS!!!.........G'NITE ALL...
Phantom A6 wrote:
Hi Melissa,
here are all the DVD's I known.
Live vengeance '82
Electric eye
Rising in the east
British steel
Live in London
Painkiller (The same videos from the VHS release)
Judas Priest...Live! (not in all countrys)
P.S.:
Be careful in your handling with SoylentGreen!!
He's a wild creature and all his trying is
to bring you in his bloody fricken cold forest!!
-Michael-
devils_child wrote:
Babe.... I got all 4 DVD's (Unless there's more I don't know of? )...... Electric eye is awesome, But Vengeance is my favourite.
Soylentgreen4u a.k.a. theWOLFMAN wrote:
IF I FIND ANYTHING ON THE 'ROCK IN RIO',I'LL LET YOU KNOW...BY THE WAY,DO YOU HAVE
THE 'ELECTRIC EYE' DVD?...IF NOT,LET ME KNOW...I THINK YOU'D LIKE IT,I HIGHLY RECOMMEND IT...
devils_child wrote:
Can anyone tell me if it's possible to obtain a copy of the JP Rock In Rio 1991 concert footage on DVD?.....It's all over you tube, and they have the Grinder live clip as an extra on the British Steel DVD. I want it damn it!!!
Well, if you havent forsaken me, then I guess you should get to work - take the price list and start taking da cash from da sinnerz. After youre done with that, you can book the Faithfull Defenders in our dungeons. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:23:13 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Damn it what the hell has happened to the thread!!!!! Dude..... Devildeal PM me and i'll tell you how to post pics..... ***GAHHH***......
....... SO where do we stand on this whole religion thing?..... Someone want to give me a run down on the happenings..
well dc, I dont think its my place to give you said rundown, as I run neither strat dom, or its hell. however exciting news. As the entertainment director for hell, I have booked a major concert. Date has yet to be finalized, but I have contacted the manager for the Faithfull Defenders, and they will be playing a full set for us soon!!!!
In that case, you will be tossed into the comfty chair, with only a cup of coffe until 11! You asked for it. And you wont expect it, of course. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:24:52 AM)
Head banger wrote:
take your hard times and shove them. I need not your forgiveness, and I fear not your guido. I shal go out and get some garlic immediatly, and I shal work on my Grammar!
_strat_ wrote:
In this hard times for our organisation, I have decided to issue a price list for sinning. The sinns are divided into three groups: little ones, not so little ones and the big motherfucking ones.
Ok, little ones (100 - 500€)
Smelling of garlic - 100€ (a special 25% discount if you happen to be French)
Possesion of Cinderella albums - 200€
Being a jerk - 300€
Not loving thy neighbour - 400€... On second thought, I know exactly how you feel, so this one is free of charge. If I like you. Maybe.
Being Head Banger - 500€/month
The not so little ones (600 - 1000€)
Being Darth Painkiller - 600€/month
Not being cool (the definition of cool depends on my current mood) - 700€
Not being me - 800€
Listening to EMO, pop, rap, or any of the strange hybrids - 900€/every such record you own.
Killing - 1000€/civilian, +200% if the person in question is my follower.
The big motherfucking ones (1000€ and up)
Using correct grammar - 1500€
Not being my follower - 2000€
Not being hot - 3000€
Living in Las Vegas - 4000€
Being Deep Freeze - Confiscation of all possesions.
If I decided that thou has sinned, you ahve thirty days to pay the fine, lest you get unexpectedly arrested by the inquisitor Guido. He can count all of his weapons.
Members of the Holy Church of Strat are not required to obey the list. Infact, they can do whatever the fuck they want to, as long as they worship me.
Aha... Well, in this case I refuse to worship you! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, January 29, 2009 7:03:55 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
You would know all the Fall Out Boy songs, as you are a pansy who cross-dresses and you listen to the Jonas Brothers too!
If you repent and worship me, I will spare you from DC's dominatrix machinations...maybe.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, Im sure that thou could name me all FOB songs... And Manowar is our music of choice!
And you are a sissy still. If you plead guilty, we might spare you the comfty chair. Tho you will still get it with the cushions.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Thou hast faulty hearing! I could not even tell you one Fall Out Boy song! Besides, since when does FOB sound like Manowar or Megadeth?
Btw, you still listen to Britney. Barry Manilow is much better torture music!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:32:18 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, we only use Britney as a torture method!
And in any case, I clearly sayeth in the beginning that I am the god of Judas Priest and a dot and a com! Thou is a heretic! Thou listens to Fall Out Boy when riding into battle!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Why would Guido want such a sissy job in your Britney Spears'-listening realm, when he could lead my Legions to BATTLE while rocking to Priest and whatever else he desires???? Not to mention, the minions will build him the house/castle/fortress of his wishes, and he will be granted all he desires?
Oh, Im sure that thou could name me all FOB songs... And Manowar is our music of choice!
And you are a sissy still. If you plead guilty, we might spare you the comfty chair. Tho you will still get it with the cushions. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:51:32 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Thou hast faulty hearing! I could not even tell you one Fall Out Boy song! Besides, since when does FOB sound like Manowar or Megadeth?
Btw, you still listen to Britney. Barry Manilow is much better torture music!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, January 29, 2009 6:32:18 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, we only use Britney as a torture method!
And in any case, I clearly sayeth in the beginning that I am the god of Judas Priest and a dot and a com! Thou is a heretic! Thou listens to Fall Out Boy when riding into battle!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Why would Guido want such a sissy job in your Britney Spears'-listening realm, when he could lead my Legions to BATTLE while rocking to Priest and whatever else he desires???? Not to mention, the minions will build him the house/castle/fortress of his wishes, and he will be granted all he desires?
And in any case, I clearly sayeth in the beginning that I am the god of Judas Priest and a dot and a com! Thou is a heretic! Thou listens to Fall Out Boy when riding into battle! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, January 29, 2009 4:11:25 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Why would Guido want such a sissy job in your Britney Spears'-listening realm, when he could lead my Legions to BATTLE while rocking to Priest and whatever else he desires???? Not to mention, the minions will build him the house/castle/fortress of his wishes, and he will be granted all he desires?
Oh, come on now... What are YOU going to do? Beat me with your handbag? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 6:02:01 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Never under estimate the "bad attitude" of a sissy!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:26:41 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Theres nothing like an old fart with an attitude. Is he retired now? I sure hope so. Him, I would be afraid of. But that grandchild of his is really a sissy.
guitardude wrote:
628 why? He still kicked ass up to 750.
_strat_ wrote:
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500?
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
DC!!!!!!! How could you?!?!?!?!?! Why have you forsaken me???
I hope Guido is still loyal... Hey, Guido, how about you are the inquisitor and the pope? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:29:56 PM)
What is this strange place? Smells like cottage cheese and tuna fish, and where is that damn counting coming from? Perhaps a new world we have here!! Looks like a good place to raise some hell!!
Ah... Theres nothing like an old fart with an attitude. Is he retired now? I sure hope so. Him, I would be afraid of. But that grandchild of his is really a sissy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:26:22 PM)
guitardude wrote:
628 why? He still kicked ass up to 750.
_strat_ wrote:
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500?
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
You learn quick, I must say. But I have already decided that you have to give up all your possesions, because you are Deep Freeze. You have thirty days to comply, lest you will get unexpectadly arrested by the inquisitor Guido. He can count all of his weapons. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 2:05:01 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my silly lord, Darth! The poor are the conduit to all things!! The politicians covet them. The rich give to them. The young uneducated become them and the old (for the most part) ARE them!!! HAAAAAHAHAHAHHAAA!!!!! Use the poor...Use the poor... Use the poor.. BOY! Am I a great pope or what??!?!?!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Do not limit to just the poor! You are a lobbyist as well as Pope, DF! You need to spread my message to the masses!!! Old, young, poor, middle class, no class, and the rich! Politicians, doctors, etc...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Silly boy!! Concentrate on the poor!! They are easily mislead and will give you all they have!!.. not to mention they will bring MORE poor to the church and you will make MORE money!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
paorcamp wrote:
A month!!!!!!!!!!! what a expensive occupation....well...here we have our first costa rican church and our followers...
but it is located in the middle east hell... Edited at: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 1:48:28 PM
In this hard times for our organisation, I have decided to issue a price list for sinning. The sinns are divided into three groups: little ones, not so little ones and the big motherfucking ones.
Ok, little ones (100 - 500€)
Smelling of garlic - 100€ (a special 25% discount if you happen to be French)
Possesion of Cinderella albums - 200€
Being a jerk - 300€
Not loving thy neighbour - 400€... On second thought, I know exactly how you feel, so this one is free of charge. If I like you. Maybe.
Being Head Banger - 500€/month
The not so little ones (600 - 1000€)
Being Darth Painkiller - 600€/month
Not being cool (the definition of cool depends on my current mood) - 700€
Not being me - 800€
Listening to EMO, pop, rap, or any of the strange hybrids - 900€/every such record you own.
Killing - 1000€/civilian, +200% if the person in question is my follower.
The big motherfucking ones (1000€ and up)
Using correct grammar - 1500€
Not being my follower - 2000€
Not being hot - 3000€
Living in Las Vegas - 4000€
Being Deep Freeze - Confiscation of all possesions.
If I decided that thou has sinned, you ahve thirty days to pay the fine, lest you get unexpectedly arrested by the inquisitor Guido. He can count all of his weapons.
Members of the Holy Church of Strat are not required to obey the list. Infact, they can do whatever the fuck they want to, as long as they worship me.
Lol... Now, now... Dont make me bust a swarm of locusts on yo ass! We will se what your car can do about that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 9:21:36 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I have to admit the "He can count all his weapons" line is funny as hell!
I see your playground rules and I triple your pathetic little out-infinity infinity! My car crushes your bike too!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, in that case Guido will be unexpectadly arrested by the inquisitor Guido. He can count all his weapons.
In any case... The playground rules that we used were actualy a very complex code of conduct. You could under certain circumstances out-infinity infinity, but only if your BMX was better than your opponents. Now, determining the quality of a BMX was another chapter alltogether.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I do believe Guido was still considering his options.
BTW, you can't out-infinitey infinitey! What playground rules did you kids play by?
_strat_ wrote:
I infinity it two times!
And if HB will not comply, he will be unexpectedly arrested by the inquisitor Guido, whom nobody expects, and can count all of his weapons.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I infinity the offer!!! HA!
_strat_ wrote:
Whatever he offers, I double the offer!
Head banger wrote:
Lord, I will pledge my allegiance, in return for an apropriate title and compensation!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am Lord Darth!!!! All will bow and kneel before me! Pledge your allegiance to me and receive power and glory!!!!
DF, my faithful Warlock! It seems the renegade Guido has decided the pop music of _strat_ is better than the heavy metal of Darthism! Lead my legions into battle! The lycan foot soldiers, the vampire generals, the demon painkillers and killing machines are for YOU to command at my lesuire! Do NOT fail me, lest you face my wrath!
Paorcamp, I bestow upon you the power of the undead! Direct sunlight is your undoing...everything else is really just bullshit.
Adrianaec, I bestow upon you the power of the lycan (werewolf)! Only the silver bullet is your undoing...so none of that Coors Light swill for you!
Now, my legions...ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, in that case Guido will be unexpectadly arrested by the inquisitor Guido. He can count all his weapons.
In any case... The playground rules that we used were actualy a very complex code of conduct. You could under certain circumstances out-infinity infinity, but only if your BMX was better than your opponents. Now, determining the quality of a BMX was another chapter alltogether. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:07:39 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I do believe Guido was still considering his options.
BTW, you can't out-infinitey infinitey! What playground rules did you kids play by?
_strat_ wrote:
I infinity it two times!
And if HB will not comply, he will be unexpectedly arrested by the inquisitor Guido, whom nobody expects, and can count all of his weapons.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I infinity the offer!!! HA!
_strat_ wrote:
Whatever he offers, I double the offer!
Head banger wrote:
Lord, I will pledge my allegiance, in return for an apropriate title and compensation!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am Lord Darth!!!! All will bow and kneel before me! Pledge your allegiance to me and receive power and glory!!!!
DF, my faithful Warlock! It seems the renegade Guido has decided the pop music of _strat_ is better than the heavy metal of Darthism! Lead my legions into battle! The lycan foot soldiers, the vampire generals, the demon painkillers and killing machines are for YOU to command at my lesuire! Do NOT fail me, lest you face my wrath!
Paorcamp, I bestow upon you the power of the undead! Direct sunlight is your undoing...everything else is really just bullshit.
Adrianaec, I bestow upon you the power of the lycan (werewolf)! Only the silver bullet is your undoing...so none of that Coors Light swill for you!
Now, my legions...ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And if HB will not comply, he will be unexpectedly arrested by the inquisitor Guido, whom nobody expects, and can count all of his weapons. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:31:06 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I infinity the offer!!! HA!
_strat_ wrote:
Whatever he offers, I double the offer!
Head banger wrote:
Lord, I will pledge my allegiance, in return for an apropriate title and compensation!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am Lord Darth!!!! All will bow and kneel before me! Pledge your allegiance to me and receive power and glory!!!!
DF, my faithful Warlock! It seems the renegade Guido has decided the pop music of _strat_ is better than the heavy metal of Darthism! Lead my legions into battle! The lycan foot soldiers, the vampire generals, the demon painkillers and killing machines are for YOU to command at my lesuire! Do NOT fail me, lest you face my wrath!
Paorcamp, I bestow upon you the power of the undead! Direct sunlight is your undoing...everything else is really just bullshit.
Adrianaec, I bestow upon you the power of the lycan (werewolf)! Only the silver bullet is your undoing...so none of that Coors Light swill for you!
Now, my legions...ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever he offers, I double the offer! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:23:47 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Lord, I will pledge my allegiance, in return for an apropriate title and compensation!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am Lord Darth!!!! All will bow and kneel before me! Pledge your allegiance to me and receive power and glory!!!!
DF, my faithful Warlock! It seems the renegade Guido has decided the pop music of _strat_ is better than the heavy metal of Darthism! Lead my legions into battle! The lycan foot soldiers, the vampire generals, the demon painkillers and killing machines are for YOU to command at my lesuire! Do NOT fail me, lest you face my wrath!
Paorcamp, I bestow upon you the power of the undead! Direct sunlight is your undoing...everything else is really just bullshit.
Adrianaec, I bestow upon you the power of the lycan (werewolf)! Only the silver bullet is your undoing...so none of that Coors Light swill for you!
Now, my legions...ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let me guess... Your job is making up titles for porn films, right? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:49:15 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey! My bitches are from all over the universe! The wild wenches from 3tittiedom, the 2 crotch ladies of doublevaginalfun, and assorted humans from all over the world.
_strat_ wrote:
Plasticboobiestan? No thank you, I have my own sources.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Dude, where else do you think your sluts are coming from? Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles? HAHAHAHA! My spies are everywhere!
_strat_ wrote:
Now why would a god like me need hookers?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Very quick, huh? My hookers told me you were very quick, but I didn't believe them until now.
_strat_ wrote:
Within days? Within hours! We do things very quick around here.
And how apropriate that Freeze wants to be anit-me... Pretty much what he always is!
devils_child wrote:
I have to laugh at this..... Strat started a religion and within days there was another religion started to fight against it..... Hahahahahaha
Plasticboobiestan? No thank you, I have my own sources. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:27:45 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Dude, where else do you think your sluts are coming from? Hollywood and Vine in Los Angeles? HAHAHAHA! My spies are everywhere!
_strat_ wrote:
Now why would a god like me need hookers?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Very quick, huh? My hookers told me you were very quick, but I didn't believe them until now.
_strat_ wrote:
Within days? Within hours! We do things very quick around here.
And how apropriate that Freeze wants to be anit-me... Pretty much what he always is!
devils_child wrote:
I have to laugh at this..... Strat started a religion and within days there was another religion started to fight against it..... Hahahahahaha
Your transformation is almost complete then... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 10:33:27 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Poor grammar hurts me so . . . .
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Ah, so he is a lively widdle puppy, eh? Here doggy... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:11:56 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Go ahead and pet him...he might only take your hand off.
_strat_ wrote:
Aww! What a cute widdle doggy...
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Okay, DF...You can be the honorary hand-waver guy (challis of wine in hand).
For those who don't know what a lycan is...think werewolf!
You can run really fast, jump high, carry a wicked sword, and rip strat and his pansies apart with your bare hands and teeth! Floss and nail-sharpeners are provided to keep your fangs and claws razor-sharp too! Plus, you get a killer fur coat when you have to deal with the cold and you will never overheat (you live in Hell).
Now why would a god like me need hookers? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:13:01 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Very quick, huh? My hookers told me you were very quick, but I didn't believe them until now.
_strat_ wrote:
Within days? Within hours! We do things very quick around here.
And how apropriate that Freeze wants to be anit-me... Pretty much what he always is!
devils_child wrote:
I have to laugh at this..... Strat started a religion and within days there was another religion started to fight against it..... Hahahahahaha
Within days? Within hours! We do things very quick around here.
And how apropriate that Freeze wants to be anit-me... Pretty much what he always is! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:16:43 PM)
devils_child wrote:
I have to laugh at this..... Strat started a religion and within days there was another religion started to fight against it..... Hahahahahaha
Aww! What a cute widdle doggy... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 3:34:28 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Okay, DF...You can be the honorary hand-waver guy (challis of wine in hand).
For those who don't know what a lycan is...think werewolf!
You can run really fast, jump high, carry a wicked sword, and rip strat and his pansies apart with your bare hands and teeth! Floss and nail-sharpeners are provided to keep your fangs and claws razor-sharp too! Plus, you get a killer fur coat when you have to deal with the cold and you will never overheat (you live in Hell).
And I will make sure you stay my pope! You get to run our church, you get to be filthy rich, you get to be as wild as you want to, you get... Anything! Youre the pope! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:07:56 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Hahaha.... ... Although I'm having mixed feelings about both religions... Darth offered me a "special position" within his organised faith.... But i am already Pope of Strats faith.... hmmmm
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm..'Child.. I started the religion and I started the one to fight against it! In fact, I would not have had to start the second one if that darn strat would have simply made me pope!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now then, my good lord Darth... I would not know a lycan from a loaf of bread. I go to bed by 8:30 at night so your vampires are out of luck and I took the painkillers for my aching back! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I might be able to lead a small group to the 'fridge but as for a "battle"...? You have the wrong cat! Why do you think I wanted to be pope???? All you have to do to be pope is stand at the window and wave! HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I am Lord Darth!!!! All will bow and kneel before me! Pledge your allegiance to me and receive power and glory!!!!
DF, my faithful Warlock! It seems the renegade Guido has decided the pop music of _strat_ is better than the heavy metal of Darthism! Lead my legions into battle! The lycan foot soldiers, the vampire generals, the demon painkillers and killing machines are for YOU to command at my lesuire! Do NOT fail me, lest you face my wrath!
Paorcamp, I bestow upon you the power of the undead! Direct sunlight is your undoing...everything else is really just bullshit.
Adrianaec, I bestow upon you the power of the lycan (werewolf)! Only the silver bullet is your undoing...so none of that Coors Light swill for you!
Now, my legions...ATTACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why, you get a crib of your own (I will post a pic of it when I get home - the damn work computer wont let me). You get your own private army that attends to your every neeed. And you get to bust some asses with cushions and comfty chairs.
Pension scheme: if you ever want to retire, you get to keep your crib, your army, and get my special thanks in cash. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:28:48 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Now wait a minute, last I left the discussion I openly proclaimed myself a free agent of good or evil depending on position / retirement package and hotties.
To date, I have heard nary a word about the retirement package or hotties. See? I am a natural at asking questions. Talent like mine deserves proper compensation.
Also, for all those who think I am good... Well, I shalt just paraphrase the immortal Terry Pratchet:
I am wonderfull. I provoke wonder.
I am marvellous. I cause marvels.
I am fantastic. I create fantasies.
I am glamorous. I project glamour.
I am enchanting. I weave enchatment.
I am terrific. I beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
Nobody said I was nice.
I am bad. Edited at: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:01:43 PM
He has a wrinkled skull... How old was he when that pic was taken? 500? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:44:58 PM)
guitardude wrote:
OK Strat, you`ve stumbled onto one of the "secrets" to be a defender of Kmac!!! That is to share family photos with the high command!! Damn handsome fellow isn`t he???
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic.
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
The thread thingy has been taken cared of. You may not like the title, but hey... Its one of the better threads that I have created. Not that you know how it feels. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:59:28 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey strat!! You see what happens when you don't let me be pope?? I am a "warlock" now...apparently that is heterosexual? ANYWAY....I win!! Besides, evil is WAY cooler! Everybody knows that! Now then, before Soy pops a blood vessel, we should probably consider moving this to a different Thread..? Perhaps it's OWN Thread?? Perhaps the "Darthism" Thread or maybe "Blessed are the Big Noses" Thread?? Or maybe the "Death to Strat" Thread?? ..HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In any event, there isn't much that is green about this stuff!!!
You who read this, thou shalt beware! For I am god. The god of Judas Priest and a dot and a com. I am your lord and thou must obey me. Thou must not obey evil Darth Painkiller, for he is a sissy.
Thou must worship me, and my earthly reprsentative, the one we call devils_child, for she is the pope. If thou does not worshipeth me or DC, thou will get unexpectedly arrested by the inquisitor Guido. He can count all of his weapons.
Thou has not any commandments to obey. If I think thou hast sinned, the bill will be delivered to your addres. The deadline shalt be 30 days, lest you get unexpectedly arrested by the inquisitor Guido. He can count all of his weapons.
Thous only commandment is that thou shalt not worship Darth Painkiller or Deep Freeze, for they are evil. If you do, you will get unexpectedly arrested by the inquisitor Guido. He can count all of his weapons.
Mine was great. Whats the matter with yours? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 12:12:33 PM)
Justin Kenny wrote:
Print nothin'...LOL...I said the shit out loud....the class erupted...the prof..well....you know how uptight some art professors are....
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!! I certainly hope you put that in print for your Art History Prof. Too funny.
Justin Kenny wrote:
LMAO....I'ma say the same thing now as I did when I first saw this painting back in my (would-be) college days during 'Art History...' the look on Saturn's face almost gives the idea that he realizes his own son will cause salmonella poisoning....helluva thing to have dawn on you mid-nosh, eh???
guidogodoy wrote:
Mwwaaahaaaaaaa!!!!!! Bring it!
_strat_ wrote:
Dont push it, Guido... You know, Freeze started a new religion yesterday... Its called Stratism, and guess who is the god in it? I just might have to bust a swarm of locusts on yo ass!
guidogodoy wrote:
Perhaps you were embarrassed by the term "little" man. Shrinkage. I know. Best to save face with the metal ladies.
Cold water there, eh?
_strat_ wrote:
Perv.
Anyway, I will start taking showers with my clothes on from now on. Just to be on the safe side.
guidogodoy wrote:
Haaaa! Surveillance has you covered little man!
_strat_ wrote:
You can count me out too.
guidogodoy wrote:
Went to about 130F at the end. No one invited me to shower with them. Not even Timbo. Sniff....
Calvin Boytano was the laugh of the day. It'll haunt me tomorrow as I hear the ice coming down as I type.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I see there have been some interesting conversations here.
From Kama Sutra UFC-style to taking showers together to Tennis matches in 120 degree heat. What can possibly be next?
Hey, what do you expect, that I will let just anyone in my heaven? Only cool cats allowed! Oh, and hot chicks... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 11:49:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hundreds of thousands??!?!? Ours is a wrathful god, man! If you get one a week I will be surprised! And, if he keeps 'Child as the pope...well, you get the idea. I have actually been considering having a chat with Darth..er.., Satan, too. And a spork?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Well...nice job THAT would be there Sisyphus! Never-ending!
I'd only accept were there some GREAT exclusivity to the afterlife. Damned if I am going to stand around all day reading hundreds of thousands of names.
Maybe Darth Satan has a better job for me. I'd like to own a really cool pitchfork! - Or at least a really nice spork.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You got the face for it.... HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!! Actually, I was thinking you would be great as one of those guys that stands at the gates of "heaven" and announces people..
guidogodoy wrote:
Now were you to open and shut the fridge door quickly and not leave the front door wide open while running the air conditioning or heat and you just might make a higher cloud in this new religion! LOL!!!!
BTW, can I be a cherub?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ooo! Ooo! I do that!! I turn off the water , too!! WOO HOO!! I recycle!!!! We can all get a good night's rest now!
guidogodoy wrote:
Ummm...I recycle boxes and I also try to make an effort to turn off the water while brushing my teeth as I'm told the average person wastes about a gallon of water by not doing so.
We need an inquisitor. Requierments: ability to count all your weapons, and rushing into houses unexpected.
Since Freeze bailed, I would also require a new doorman.
And last, but not the least, I need an only begoten child. Requierments: ability to turn soft drinks into booze (very important), quick and easy movement over all surfaces (including water) and the ability to bear heavy wooden burdains on the back. Long hair is prefered, tho not mandatory.
Ok, you lot, listen up! You made me a god, now you might as well do what I tell you.
Personnel: DC is the Pope. Stop it Freeze, haggling aint gonna help you.
Freeze is hereby appointed a saint, and the doorman to my heavenly crib. You get a nice set of keys, and a list of those that are allowed to enter. And grow a beard, if you dont already have one!
With you lot, I doubt six years would be enough. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:00:13 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I just figured why mess with tradition?? Maybe our lord doesn't need six days to get things done?
devils_child wrote:
Has it been determined that Sunday is the holy day?....
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK..how about this; if I am pope it will give you an opportunity to have an "insider" at the church. This could play well for you on Sundays as you would not have to attend services since you will be handling my "official" business....
devils_child wrote:
I'm going to need more information than "worth your while"....
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh let's not bother our lord and savior with such silliness. I say you just agree that I am pope and we will make it "worth your while"......
(Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:48:27 AM)
devils_child wrote:
I'll have to discuss it with The Almighty... Perhaps there is a better position for me... and you can take over as pope...?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Is he gone?? Good. So..umm..'Child, my dear. Just what is it going to take to get that pope-ship from you? Let's talk turkey.... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cool. Move to the lower quarters at once, and set up permanent residence there. We will send you your first subjects shortly. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:37:25 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That DOES it!! I am going to "fall from grace" and be the ANTI-strat!! I shall turn mankind from you!! You'll see!! And as for YOU, 'Child...I believe you said that you are only 5 foot nothing?? Well, in case you have forgotten, I am 6'1" and weigh in at a hefty 275lbs!!!!!! Pour that jello!!!!!!! HAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, you are already STRAT DAMNED. But a POPE... Nope. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:32:20 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Now wait just a STRAT DAMNED minute!!!! I started this religion!! I get to be the STRAT DAMNED POPE!!!!!!!!!!!! HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
Dont be too hard on him. I have plans with him. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:30:43 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Yeah, and just for his wise antics we should send him to my chamber to be punished....
_strat_ wrote:
Good idea. You are the first female Pope. Congratulations. Frankly, I always thought that Freeze is a bit of a wiseass.
devils_child wrote:
Wouldn't you rather have a chick as your right hand? ....
_strat_ wrote:
You know... you might want to watch your words, when talking about your lord and saviour... Lest you may end up in hell, where thou shalt be eternaly tortured with N`Sync music...
devils_child wrote:
Freeze I'm not sure you'd want to Strats right hand..... *cough*.... You really want to be that up close and "personal" with him??
Ah, so you know good movies after all! Good, good. There was a time when I could recite all the lines from Godfather from the top of my head! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:30:10 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Please forgive me.....Godfather. HA!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
"Im a businessman Tom. Blood is a big expense."
Ok, if you dont know where that is from, ill personaly fly to Vegas to educate you.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh DARTH!! Blaspheme not against the lord!! STRAT!! SMITE HIM!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I'm down with it, but I'm not praying to some young man. I'd rather pray to my g/f's t&a.
devils_child wrote:
Oooo you had me at whiskey baptism.... That's my kind of "holy water"
_strat_ wrote:
Why, ME!!! This religion is all about my dear own ME!!! You must believe in ME!!! Now, that aint all that hard, is it? I mean, Im actualy talking to you, right? How many other gods would do that?
I know what will win you over... We do baptisms with whiskey!
Oh, and sinning... While not encouraged, we are practical about it. No praying, no asking forgiveness... That is so depressing. Instead, we will simply issue a price list.
devils_child wrote:
Hmmm perhaps..... But what do we believe in?...... Come on Strat preach to me man!! I wanna know why I should convert to your faith.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, since were just starting, you can be a disciple. What say you?
devils_child wrote:
well what does your religion have to offer me?....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, sure is! Gibsons movies in general are. I sure hope he makes one about me, now that Freeze has started my religion. Wanna join?
devils_child wrote:
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Oooooops... To late... Tell you what... You can be the overseas missionary in America. Cool? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:27:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!! 'CHILD!! Quit trying to muscle in on my eventual pope-dom!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
devils_child wrote:
Wouldn't you rather have a chick as your right hand? ....
_strat_ wrote:
You know... you might want to watch your words, when talking about your lord and saviour... Lest you may end up in hell, where thou shalt be eternaly tortured with N`Sync music...
devils_child wrote:
Freeze I'm not sure you'd want to Strats right hand..... *cough*.... You really want to be that up close and "personal" with him??
Good idea. You are the first female Pope. Congratulations. Frankly, I always thought that Freeze is a bit of a wiseass. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:25:50 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Wouldn't you rather have a chick as your right hand? ....
_strat_ wrote:
You know... you might want to watch your words, when talking about your lord and saviour... Lest you may end up in hell, where thou shalt be eternaly tortured with N`Sync music...
devils_child wrote:
Freeze I'm not sure you'd want to Strats right hand..... *cough*.... You really want to be that up close and "personal" with him??
No, no, no, no, no..... Im not that kind of a god. Blasphemy is a sinn, and thats why he is punished. Now come back, before I get really wrathfull! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:26:47 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Sex is a sin??!! Man i'm outta here..... I'm staying Catholic.... hahaha
_strat_ wrote:
Ahem... That is a minor sinn. 500€ or a year in upper hell.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I'm down with it, but I'm not praying to some young man. I'd rather pray to my g/f's t&a.
devils_child wrote:
Oooo you had me at whiskey baptism.... That's my kind of "holy water"
_strat_ wrote:
Why, ME!!! This religion is all about my dear own ME!!! You must believe in ME!!! Now, that aint all that hard, is it? I mean, Im actualy talking to you, right? How many other gods would do that?
I know what will win you over... We do baptisms with whiskey!
Oh, and sinning... While not encouraged, we are practical about it. No praying, no asking forgiveness... That is so depressing. Instead, we will simply issue a price list.
devils_child wrote:
Hmmm perhaps..... But what do we believe in?...... Come on Strat preach to me man!! I wanna know why I should convert to your faith.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, since were just starting, you can be a disciple. What say you?
devils_child wrote:
well what does your religion have to offer me?....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, sure is! Gibsons movies in general are. I sure hope he makes one about me, now that Freeze has started my religion. Wanna join?
devils_child wrote:
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, if you dont know where that is from, ill personaly fly to Vegas to educate you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:24:17 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh DARTH!! Blaspheme not against the lord!! STRAT!! SMITE HIM!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I'm down with it, but I'm not praying to some young man. I'd rather pray to my g/f's t&a.
devils_child wrote:
Oooo you had me at whiskey baptism.... That's my kind of "holy water"
_strat_ wrote:
Why, ME!!! This religion is all about my dear own ME!!! You must believe in ME!!! Now, that aint all that hard, is it? I mean, Im actualy talking to you, right? How many other gods would do that?
I know what will win you over... We do baptisms with whiskey!
Oh, and sinning... While not encouraged, we are practical about it. No praying, no asking forgiveness... That is so depressing. Instead, we will simply issue a price list.
devils_child wrote:
Hmmm perhaps..... But what do we believe in?...... Come on Strat preach to me man!! I wanna know why I should convert to your faith.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, since were just starting, you can be a disciple. What say you?
devils_child wrote:
well what does your religion have to offer me?....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, sure is! Gibsons movies in general are. I sure hope he makes one about me, now that Freeze has started my religion. Wanna join?
devils_child wrote:
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Ahem... That is a minor sinn. 500€ or a year in upper hell. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:22:46 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I'm down with it, but I'm not praying to some young man. I'd rather pray to my g/f's t&a.
devils_child wrote:
Oooo you had me at whiskey baptism.... That's my kind of "holy water"
_strat_ wrote:
Why, ME!!! This religion is all about my dear own ME!!! You must believe in ME!!! Now, that aint all that hard, is it? I mean, Im actualy talking to you, right? How many other gods would do that?
I know what will win you over... We do baptisms with whiskey!
Oh, and sinning... While not encouraged, we are practical about it. No praying, no asking forgiveness... That is so depressing. Instead, we will simply issue a price list.
devils_child wrote:
Hmmm perhaps..... But what do we believe in?...... Come on Strat preach to me man!! I wanna know why I should convert to your faith.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, since were just starting, you can be a disciple. What say you?
devils_child wrote:
well what does your religion have to offer me?....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, sure is! Gibsons movies in general are. I sure hope he makes one about me, now that Freeze has started my religion. Wanna join?
devils_child wrote:
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
You know... you might want to watch your words, when talking about your lord and saviour... Lest you may end up in hell, where thou shalt be eternaly tortured with N`Sync music... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:19:36 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Freeze I'm not sure you'd want to Strats right hand..... *cough*.... You really want to be that up close and "personal" with him??
Youre NOT going to kiss me, if thats what youre planning. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:06:24 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oo! Oo! I want to be your "right hand man"!!! (After all, I started this movement!!) No wait! I will be one of your fingers!! No! No! I want to be your Judas! Oh, PLEEEEEASE! Can I be your Judas?????
_strat_ wrote:
Well, since were just starting, you can be a disciple. What say you?
devils_child wrote:
well what does your religion have to offer me?....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, sure is! Gibsons movies in general are. I sure hope he makes one about me, now that Freeze has started my religion. Wanna join?
devils_child wrote:
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Why, ME!!! This religion is all about my dear own ME!!! You must believe in ME!!! Now, that aint all that hard, is it? I mean, Im actualy talking to you, right? How many other gods would do that?
I know what will win you over... We do baptisms with whiskey!
Oh, and sinning... While not encouraged, we are practical about it. No praying, no asking forgiveness... That is so depressing. Instead, we will simply issue a price list. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:06:19 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Hmmm perhaps..... But what do we believe in?...... Come on Strat preach to me man!! I wanna know why I should convert to your faith.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, since were just starting, you can be a disciple. What say you?
devils_child wrote:
well what does your religion have to offer me?....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, sure is! Gibsons movies in general are. I sure hope he makes one about me, now that Freeze has started my religion. Wanna join?
devils_child wrote:
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
well what does your religion have to offer me?....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup, sure is! Gibsons movies in general are. I sure hope he makes one about me, now that Freeze has started my religion. Wanna join?
devils_child wrote:
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Yup, sure is! Gibsons movies in general are. I sure hope he makes one about me, now that Freeze has started my religion. Wanna join? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:54:47 AM)
devils_child wrote:
LOL, I own Mad Max 1,2 &3... The first one is classic!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia?
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Umm... That skull is really there. Green or no green. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Monday, January 26, 2009 9:29:19 PM)
adrianaec_88 wrote:
the mistery has been revealed.. this is how the skull in the beard was discovered
devils_child wrote:
.....
That's my act of Green.... it doesn't hurt mother earth maaaan..... haahaha
Oh, and I just wanted to comment this: Orange County Choppers are in Orange County New York. NOT California. That may explain the snow:). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:17:00 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Well, g2g now... new assignment. See you later. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 2:07:18 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Follow a similar Wiki search and you'll probably also find the Greek word: "sarcasm!" HAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Don't mess with the bull, boy, you'll get the horns!
_strat_ wrote:
If you do a wikipedia search you will find that Saturn was the Roman name for the Greek Kronos (Cronus).
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh good Jebus, how ignorant can one person be? Pffffff....Kronos.....
It is clearly SATURN devouring one of his sons!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Kronos eating his children, eh? Nah, Im not that kind of a god. I would grill you first.
guidogodoy wrote:
Mwwaaahaaaaaaa!!!!!! Bring it!
_strat_ wrote:
Dont push it, Guido... You know, Freeze started a new religion yesterday... Its called Stratism, and guess who is the god in it? I just might have to bust a swarm of locusts on yo ass!
guidogodoy wrote:
Perhaps you were embarrassed by the term "little" man. Shrinkage. I know. Best to save face with the metal ladies.
Cold water there, eh?
_strat_ wrote:
Perv.
Anyway, I will start taking showers with my clothes on from now on. Just to be on the safe side.
guidogodoy wrote:
Haaaa! Surveillance has you covered little man!
_strat_ wrote:
You can count me out too.
guidogodoy wrote:
Went to about 130F at the end. No one invited me to shower with them. Not even Timbo. Sniff....
Calvin Boytano was the laugh of the day. It'll haunt me tomorrow as I hear the ice coming down as I type.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I see there have been some interesting conversations here.
From Kama Sutra UFC-style to taking showers together to Tennis matches in 120 degree heat. What can possibly be next?
If you do a wikipedia search you will find that Saturn was the Roman name for the Greek Kronos (Cronus). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:54:14 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh good Jebus, how ignorant can one person be? Pffffff....Kronos.....
It is clearly SATURN devouring one of his sons!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah... Kronos eating his children, eh? Nah, Im not that kind of a god. I would grill you first.
guidogodoy wrote:
Mwwaaahaaaaaaa!!!!!! Bring it!
_strat_ wrote:
Dont push it, Guido... You know, Freeze started a new religion yesterday... Its called Stratism, and guess who is the god in it? I just might have to bust a swarm of locusts on yo ass!
guidogodoy wrote:
Perhaps you were embarrassed by the term "little" man. Shrinkage. I know. Best to save face with the metal ladies.
Cold water there, eh?
_strat_ wrote:
Perv.
Anyway, I will start taking showers with my clothes on from now on. Just to be on the safe side.
guidogodoy wrote:
Haaaa! Surveillance has you covered little man!
_strat_ wrote:
You can count me out too.
guidogodoy wrote:
Went to about 130F at the end. No one invited me to shower with them. Not even Timbo. Sniff....
Calvin Boytano was the laugh of the day. It'll haunt me tomorrow as I hear the ice coming down as I type.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I see there have been some interesting conversations here.
From Kama Sutra UFC-style to taking showers together to Tennis matches in 120 degree heat. What can possibly be next?
Well, I dont play tennis. And I think thats GDs grandpa on that pic. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:38:21 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
IOW, I give up.....Nice one, Djokovic!
_strat_ wrote:
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Dont push it, Guido... You know, Freeze started a new religion yesterday... Its called Stratism, and guess who is the god in it? I just might have to bust a swarm of locusts on yo ass!
guidogodoy wrote:
Perhaps you were embarrassed by the term "little" man. Shrinkage. I know. Best to save face with the metal ladies.
Cold water there, eh?
_strat_ wrote:
Perv.
Anyway, I will start taking showers with my clothes on from now on. Just to be on the safe side.
guidogodoy wrote:
Haaaa! Surveillance has you covered little man!
_strat_ wrote:
You can count me out too.
guidogodoy wrote:
Went to about 130F at the end. No one invited me to shower with them. Not even Timbo. Sniff....
Calvin Boytano was the laugh of the day. It'll haunt me tomorrow as I hear the ice coming down as I type.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I see there have been some interesting conversations here.
From Kama Sutra UFC-style to taking showers together to Tennis matches in 120 degree heat. What can possibly be next?
Hey, its early morning here... Im not exactly in my top form right now.
And as you will notice in my posts, I NEVER put in the apostrophes. Partialy because I think its a stupid English thing, and mainly because I cant be arsed. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:32:17 AM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Strat, you forgot to put an apostrophe between the third 'e' and 's' in "Freezes" to indicate possession of a particular item, in this case Freeze's children. Unfortunately for me, I'm not one for Freeze's children. You misspelled "members", as well.
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Good. You see, thats better. Now, apologise to Tim, and apologise for being a spy... And we will let you back in. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:25:32 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
You take those errors, Vail. I don't want to make Timbo cry again....
_strat_ wrote:
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Dont push it, Guido... You know, Freeze started a new religion yesterday... Its called Stratism, and guess who is the god in it? I just might have to bust a swarm of locusts on yo ass! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:17:24 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Perhaps you were embarrassed by the term "little" man. Shrinkage. I know. Best to save face with the metal ladies.
Cold water there, eh?
_strat_ wrote:
Perv.
Anyway, I will start taking showers with my clothes on from now on. Just to be on the safe side.
guidogodoy wrote:
Haaaa! Surveillance has you covered little man!
_strat_ wrote:
You can count me out too.
guidogodoy wrote:
Went to about 130F at the end. No one invited me to shower with them. Not even Timbo. Sniff....
Calvin Boytano was the laugh of the day. It'll haunt me tomorrow as I hear the ice coming down as I type.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I see there have been some interesting conversations here.
From Kama Sutra UFC-style to taking showers together to Tennis matches in 120 degree heat. What can possibly be next?
FFS... Are all Freezes children memebers here? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:19:39 AM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
That's actually spelled "bully"...
_strat_ wrote:
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie!
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Hey!!!! Dont be so mean! You even made our Predator cry! And you know what a tender soul he is... Shame on you, you bullie! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, January 26, 2009 10:19:26 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
_strat_ wrote:
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place?
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Anyway, I will start taking showers with my clothes on from now on. Just to be on the safe side. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:11:47 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Haaaa! Surveillance has you covered little man!
_strat_ wrote:
You can count me out too.
guidogodoy wrote:
Went to about 130F at the end. No one invited me to shower with them. Not even Timbo. Sniff....
Calvin Boytano was the laugh of the day. It'll haunt me tomorrow as I hear the ice coming down as I type.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I see there have been some interesting conversations here.
From Kama Sutra UFC-style to taking showers together to Tennis matches in 120 degree heat. What can possibly be next?
Aha. Well... Since your an Ausie... Any chance of seeing Toecutter, Night Rider, Goose and Mad Max in Australia? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Monday, January 26, 2009 7:11:47 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Hey I'm Aussie and i know the only robotic cop is in Detroit.... ..
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Went to about 130F at the end. No one invited me to shower with them. Not even Timbo. Sniff....
Calvin Boytano was the laugh of the day. It'll haunt me tomorrow as I hear the ice coming down as I type.
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I see there have been some interesting conversations here.
From Kama Sutra UFC-style to taking showers together to Tennis matches in 120 degree heat. What can possibly be next?
Gotta go to bed myself. Good night! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:53:39 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *yikes* MAN!! You saviors are a rough lot! HAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Well, I'm off for a bit! Strat bless you! HAHAHAAAAA!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, ok. But you know, ill come back in three days to bust the seven deadly plagues on yo ass.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Now where is the drama in that????!?! No, no..we must use nails for proper effect. Sorry..aint martyrdom a bitch? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Look, in this day and age we can dispense with bloodshed. We are above it. We have the technology to avoid such things.
You can glue me to a piece of wood.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it.
Well, ok. But you know, ill come back in three days to bust the seven deadly plagues on yo ass. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:37:39 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Now where is the drama in that????!?! No, no..we must use nails for proper effect. Sorry..aint martyrdom a bitch? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Look, in this day and age we can dispense with bloodshed. We are above it. We have the technology to avoid such things.
You can glue me to a piece of wood.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it.
Aha... So if I happen to drop by in LA, I wont see any robotic cops? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:17:00 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Darth, if you take shame in my lack of interest in recycling there is not much more I can say. I have a feeling you will get over it. I am! (By the way, I do not believe in "god", either!) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Strat, yes! Here we pay to go to school unless we get a scholarship. I did not. I was very fortunate to have well-to-do family. That is they way it is here. As for the dangers of California, it is no different than any other large city. I think it gets an over abundance of exposure because of Hollywood and whatnot but it is no big deal. Nothing like downtown Philly or Detroit!! HA!!!!!!!!!! Ask Darth or guido! I lived south of LA in the Orange county area (yes, the same as that silly TV show!). It was more "upscale" than many places. In fact, there were maybe five blacks in my entire high school! (not that blacks are not upscale! Save that!) Anyway, we had a very nice home and all the normal facts of life. No drugs. No dad beating mom. No going without dinner. In fact, my dad is retired career law enforcement (Sheriff dept). VERY conservative upbringing , mine!....
Oh, and we did NOT recycle then either! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
But he is a spy! Honest! He hacked a sattelite to watch me in the shower! Look how good I am! Wouldnt you take me in his place? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Monday, January 26, 2009 4:20:56 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Well Strat, you had me up until you accused General Guido of being a spy!! Now I remember the good old days as well. And they were good. If you can convince General Guido and Sir Tim that your intentions are honest, then who am I to argue with my superiors.
But beware... Sir Tim will not be an easy sell, he may lopp off your arm just for fun and beat you about the torso with it!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, strat!!!! Well done, indeed!!!! I am proud of you!!!! GREAT job!! In fact, I have decided that I will start a new religion in YOUR honor!!! I will call it STRATISM!! Now then, would you mind if I nail you to a piece of wood...? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it.
Well........... Since Freeze is being a lazy sod and not contributing anything to this thread (he also doesnt recycle - he will be saying "Jehowah" next, and we will get the excuse to stone him), then it looks like I will have to pick up the flag and make an episode of "Insomniac Theater". Whatever the fuck that means.
Ok, the topic: morality and values Now, this comes from a book that Ive read a while ago, as well as surfing on wikipedia, conservapedia and uncyclopedia (that last one was obviously the biggest influence which may account for a certain amount of goofiness). Just what is morality, and what are values? Well, morality is usualy defined as a code of conduct, that separates the good from bad. Most importantly, morality is relative. It changes from society to society, civilisation to civilisation, from one age to another. How long ago was it when it was considered immoral for women to show too much of their skin? A couple of decades? Nowadays, anything goes. The morals changed, and in this case, I personaly dont have anything against it ;). Ot they can change in a short period of time. Practicaly every societys worse crime is killing. In peace time, anyway. But in war time, killing the enemy is not only allowed, but welcome.
My point here would be that morals are not universal, as is often suggested, and it is not so easy to distiguish good from bad as some would have us think. Actualy, it can be quite impossible.
Now values...
The degree of importance that certain things, ideas, feelings, ect. play in our lives. Again, are they universal or not? Again, not in my opinion. Patriotism would be among the top values with most of my countrymen. I personaly dont give a shit for it. Faith would be another such thing. The point here would be that each and every one of us has the right to choose what values are important for him/her. That is why I usualy cannot stomach when people say that the state, the church, the educational system, ect... Should promote values. Imo, they are the business of individual.
Ok, so... I managed to bring it to an end without goofing around... Too much. So, what are your thoughts on this? Come on, lets get a debate started... Im hungry for it.
Paid to go to the university?!?!? Holy shit... You guys really need Obama...
Anyway, Arnieland seems nice (on google earth, at least)... Just wondering, is it really all that dangerous there? I mean, not like in the movies, but I heard that there are some areas there, where you dont go, if you want to live. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:48:24 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I lived in California, near the beach. My grandmother owned a small cafe right there on the coast. It was a GREAT place. I think your father was a wise man, my friend. My grandparents bought me the car. They paid for me to go to university as well. I was very lucky.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
LOL... Auch. And it was I who always said that they should teach sarcasm in schools.
Where did you live then? I mean, I can hardly imagine taking a bus from Nevada to the nearest coast for the weekend. Wish I could do that, tho. The curse of the Adriatic sea - little wind, and what there is is not strong enough to make waves big enough to surf on.
Oh, and looking down upon people who take buses is just damn retarded... IDK, over here they are the prefered transport for moneyless teenagers and pensioners, while others drive cars... But we dont get looked down upon, thats for sure.
Oh, and car for birthday... When I turned 18 (which meant that I could drive - not like you guys that allow 16 year old lunatics behind the steering wheel) I started hinting to my dad, that "I sure could use something of my own to get me around". The response: "Son, get a job, save some money... And buy your own goddamned car". And that was it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:34:41 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was also kidding about the water's safety value. Actually, I was using sarcasm and over-exaggeration in an illustrative prose...but I digress.
The "machine" we call woman?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I like that, actually! Good one. With the Princess, it is quite simple; Do as you are told and no one gets hurt..HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
When I was a young man, we rode the bus every weekend to the beach to go surfing. During summer vacation, we were on the bus just about everyday. It was a different time then. Not so many lunatics to deal with and the bus was not a big deal. Nowadays (at least here in the US) kids look down upon those that would ride the bus. The Princess has an older son (about 20) that would rather drive a shard of glass through his neck than step on the bus. It is disgusting, really. But, I am old and I know nothing of being a "cool" kid, right?
I received my first car as a birthday present when I turned 16. I have owned my own car ever since.
As for recycling...well, see my previous umpteen posts regarding the subject. I don't do it. That's that.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:25:17 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I know you have tap water. I am shocked, tho, that it isnt safe to drink. I really cant imagine drinking bottled water every day. IDK, maybe its just a habbit - beer, coke, juice, milk ect. come from bottles or cartons - but water comes from the plumming. IDK, but I wouldnt have it your way, no thanks.
Oh, and I also know that you werent kidding about the princess stuff. Young I may be, but I know how the machine we call "woman" functions.
As for public transport, the math is simple really. If I was to buy a car, I would have to spend at least 2 to 3 thousand € just for the car (used car, at least 10 years old, probably French or Italian). Plus some 500€ on registration, and a fortune on gas (which is almost twice as expensive here than at your end). On the other hand, the bus pass costs me 17€ per month. What am I going to choose? And I dont even have to drive the damn thing.
Recycling... Well, it is a good idea. But I guess were just not used to it. There is always the potential fine-if-I-get-caught-not-recycling thingy to consider. Unlikely, but possible. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 26, 2009 9:58:17 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been described in many ways strat, but that is a new one. Accurate as well!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!
Yes, we have tap water. The Princess will not drink it! (And you thought I was kidding about that "princess" stuff!! HA!!) She expects bottled water in the 'fridge at all times. If there are but two or three remaining, I am sent to the store immediately. NO excuses. Quite frankly, the morons that run this city are barely capable of taking a crap on their own, much less seeing to it that my water is safe. I will go with the bottles, thank you.
I agree with the previous post about mass transit. I am not interested so long as I can afford my own car. Period. I have no problem using it when I am somewhere on vacation. It is quaint and I like to "people watch". It is actually fun. Cable cars in 'Frisco, subway in New York. Horse-drawn carriage in Toronto. But as far as my day to day life, I choose to drive.
Recycling is not a bad idea. I just do not take the time to do it. By nature, I am rather lazy and simply do not care that much. Terribly rude, I know but as you mentioned, I am being honest. And I am serious about the people that pick through my refuse. They do a much better job than I would.
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. I think that Guido is a spy. Shhhh!! Dont tell anyone! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 26, 2009 9:42:18 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Well, boys and gals and skeletons... Ive been backreading this thread... I mean really, backreading... The days when we were a team... Wasnt that nice? Remember, Guido, when we came up with the idea for it? Geez.... Heres the deal: I will forget about your petty insults. All of them, no matter how annoying they were. And I want my Admiral rank back. Then I will consider rejoining you. What say you?
Freeze, youre a right bastard. But at least youre an honest bastard.
Anyway... I dont know what the quality of tap water is over there, but wouldnt it be cheaper and more practical just to use tap water?
As for the recycling part, I actualy agree. Its fucking reccesion! People get fired on a daily basis! What better way to create some new jobs, than by employing a couple of them to sort out the garbage?
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's RIGHT!!! He DOES annoy me that that "Go Green" , "Save the Earth", hippie crap!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! And as far as I can see, that print might be my daughter's! Mine is MUCH bigger and , if I have anything to say about it, it will get much, MUCH larger before I am gone!!!
I go through at least a case and a half of bottled water a week, I throw ALL my garbage in the same friggin ' can, I use my washer and dryer whenever I damn well please and I drive my car from the front door to the friggin' mailbox!!!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Save the earth...pphhhhhhhfffffftt! Yeah, yeah. Peace and love and pass me a "doobie", man.
There are enough people going through my garbage to make certain that it gets properly seperated. I am too freakin OLD to try to string a clothesline and, in all honesty, I happen to like to get from place to place in my car. That is why I bought the damn thing. You guys do the "earth saving", OK? I truly do not plan to live long enough to reap it's benefits anyway.......BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
Weather is getting better! Sunny (for the first time in months, or so it seems), temps are going up, and I have an absolutely breathtaking view of the Alps from my office window... Yay, no fog!
Lol... Yup, when we all get fried because the ozon layer will disappear... We know exactly who to blame.
And what do you mean that he doesnt recycle? Over here, either you recycle or get fined. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, January 26, 2009 1:31:40 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I harass Deep Freeze to no end about the fact that he doesn't recycle. I have also calculated his carbon footprint. Here is a graphic representation of my findings:
Well, I never buy bottled water either. Mainly because tap water is cheaper, and pretty much the same.
And I use public transportation, tho that is more because I cant afford a car with all the expenses that go along (registration, fuel, maitanance...) than because of ecology.
Oh, and I dont eat beans, therefore I am reducing the amount of gas that goes into the atmosphere
Sure. A vicious barbarian conqueror and a peace loving messiah. Opposites attract. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:33:40 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
WOW! I did not know that JC and Atilla were "tight"...? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that was my point. Captain is a pretty low rank for a son of god, thats why I think that he is at least a field marshal, and the commander in chief of Heavenly forces on Earth.
As for the Romans, I believe that he had sent one of his junior officers to deal with them, a certain "Attila the Hun".
Oh, and the Betlehem massacre is true, its just that the liberal media dont want you to know about it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I really do not know much about military protocol but I should think that if his dad is the Almighty, he would at least make an officer of some grade? Don't know anything about his personal vendettas, either. Although I have heard something about an aversion to Romans....
_strat_ wrote:
No, no... Its not that. It is more personal. Anyway, he is the son of god, I would imagine that he would be at least a field-marshal.
It is a little known fact that the J-man went into a killing spree in the Betlehem mall after being told that Joseph was not his dad.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!! Captain J. Christ reporting for duty, sir! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You rang... Whos bothering you my son? I will send them straight to my dad...
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!! JEBUS, SAVE ME!
Deep Freeze wrote:
DON'T DO IT, MAN!!!!! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
devils_child wrote:
Hey Guido!!! get ur butt into the sinful thread...... we gals have got something for ya!
Well, that was my point. Captain is a pretty low rank for a son of god, thats why I think that he is at least a field marshal, and the commander in chief of Heavenly forces on Earth.
As for the Romans, I believe that he had sent one of his junior officers to deal with them, a certain "Attila the Hun".
Oh, and the Betlehem massacre is true, its just that the liberal media dont want you to know about it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:19:46 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I really do not know much about military protocol but I should think that if his dad is the Almighty, he would at least make an officer of some grade? Don't know anything about his personal vendettas, either. Although I have heard something about an aversion to Romans....
_strat_ wrote:
No, no... Its not that. It is more personal. Anyway, he is the son of god, I would imagine that he would be at least a field-marshal.
It is a little known fact that the J-man went into a killing spree in the Betlehem mall after being told that Joseph was not his dad.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!! Captain J. Christ reporting for duty, sir! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You rang... Whos bothering you my son? I will send them straight to my dad...
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!! JEBUS, SAVE ME!
Deep Freeze wrote:
DON'T DO IT, MAN!!!!! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
devils_child wrote:
Hey Guido!!! get ur butt into the sinful thread...... we gals have got something for ya!
No, no... Its not that. It is more personal. Anyway, he is the son of god, I would imagine that he would be at least a field-marshal.
It is a little known fact that the J-man went into a killing spree in the Betlehem mall after being told that Joseph was not his dad. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:57:00 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!! Captain J. Christ reporting for duty, sir! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You rang... Whos bothering you my son? I will send them straight to my dad...
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!! JEBUS, SAVE ME!
Deep Freeze wrote:
DON'T DO IT, MAN!!!!! RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
devils_child wrote:
Hey Guido!!! get ur butt into the sinful thread...... we gals have got something for ya!
Nope. Cell phones, smoking, having a drink, eating, reading stuff (!?!?!)... Come to think of it, jousting wouldnt surprise me at all. Strange that people havent found ways to occupy their knees as well as hands. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, January 23, 2009 7:25:31 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I thought the routine of driving with your knees was strictly a North American thing? Don't forget, people have been known to read the newspaper while in traffic too.
Head banger wrote:
you mean you cant drive with your knees? most people I see driving to work are managing a cell phone, cofee, some form of breakfast food, and shaving or aplying makeup. of course we are all driving automatics, but they rarely manage a hand near the wheel.
devils_child wrote:
Easy! Jousting pole out the drivers side window, left hand on gear stick, feet on the pedals.... just hope to God my wheel alignment is in good shape cos i won't be able to stear whilst changing gears.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the good old days... When speeding was punished with decapitation. I wonder how they handled horses "exhaust fumes", tho.
Might add that I would love to see how you could joust and change gears at the same time...
devils_child wrote:
Oh yeah i knew it!!! I payed attention in school....
"About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road."
Class dismissed!!! Mwahahahaha!! -Might add that if i feel the need to joust in traffic i'm in a better position...!
devils_child wrote:
I remain defiant!!! I do believe passing on the left hand side originated in England, Prior to the settlement of America... don't quote me on that but it was in the horse and cart days - LOL. I must do some research to back this up....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Well, actually I looked it up, and it says (on Wikipedia) that the German Karl Benz is widely regarded as the inventor of the first car. Other contenders include (if Im not much mistaken) a French guy and a Brit. Maybe even an American for all we know.
Oh, and I do believe that Batman had some great ways of eliminating other cars without haveing to joust with them. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Friday, January 23, 2009 6:07:59 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Screw jousting! Give me a loaded .45 and I'll take your bloody head off! LOL!
DC, it does not surprise me that only former British colonies (and jolly ol' England itself) drive on the wrong side of the road. You guys need to get with the times...The days of the horse and carriage and jousting is far in the past (unless you're into those Renaissance Faires).
Strat, I stand corrected on the inventor of the automobile.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, yeah, I forgot that besides driving on the wrong side of the road, you also have the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car... But yeah, its better for jousitng, for all the good it does you.Or you can play at being Mad Max and just ram the fucker...
devils_child wrote:
Easy! Jousting pole out the drivers side window, left hand on gear stick, feet on the pedals.... just hope to God my wheel alignment is in good shape cos i won't be able to stear whilst changing gears.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the good old days... When speeding was punished with decapitation. I wonder how they handled horses "exhaust fumes", tho.
Might add that I would love to see how you could joust and change gears at the same time...
devils_child wrote:
Oh yeah i knew it!!! I payed attention in school....
"About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road."
Class dismissed!!! Mwahahahaha!! -Might add that if i feel the need to joust in traffic i'm in a better position...!
devils_child wrote:
I remain defiant!!! I do believe passing on the left hand side originated in England, Prior to the settlement of America... don't quote me on that but it was in the horse and cart days - LOL. I must do some research to back this up....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Nope. Never heard of it. And I doubt that I could lay my paws one a bottle without doing some extensive travelling... I will just stick to our local stuff for now. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:53:26 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
They have my absolute FAVORITE! Sheaf Stout (an oatmeal stout that, sadly, I cannot get in this back-ass state). Look at the 50 beers you must sample before you die. Page one! www.thebrewsite.com/2007/01/17/50-beers-9.php
_strat_ wrote:
Wont the aboriginies object? And, do you have any decent beer down there, or just Fosters?
devils_child wrote:
Darth you know how to create warmth..... failing that, just move to Australia, heaps of room here
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Good morning, my fellow Metallians!!!
Rant of the day: Someone needs to come up with a way to make self-heating clothing. It's too damn cold out!!!
Oh, yeah, I forgot that besides driving on the wrong side of the road, you also have the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car... But yeah, its better for jousitng, for all the good it does you.Or you can play at being Mad Max and just ram the fucker... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:33:53 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Easy! Jousting pole out the drivers side window, left hand on gear stick, feet on the pedals.... just hope to God my wheel alignment is in good shape cos i won't be able to stear whilst changing gears.....
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the good old days... When speeding was punished with decapitation. I wonder how they handled horses "exhaust fumes", tho.
Might add that I would love to see how you could joust and change gears at the same time...
devils_child wrote:
Oh yeah i knew it!!! I payed attention in school....
"About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road."
Class dismissed!!! Mwahahahaha!! -Might add that if i feel the need to joust in traffic i'm in a better position...!
devils_child wrote:
I remain defiant!!! I do believe passing on the left hand side originated in England, Prior to the settlement of America... don't quote me on that but it was in the horse and cart days - LOL. I must do some research to back this up....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Ah, yes. Forgot that he can still see the boards... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:55:24 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry, bro. Not a question I am going to answer in public for obvious reasons!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah. Right. So, what would he have to do then? Would changing the internet provider change the IP?
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble there, big guy, but a new computer does not necessarily mean a new IP. While I probably shouldn't have mentioned it leaving him to clean toilets and find out the hard way, I would just hate to see you suffer waiting anxiously for those colorful words of inspiration and wisdom.
I can blather some incoherent nonsense at you from time to time if it will make you feel better, though.
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I can't believe I missed it! Ah well, NOW the cretin will have to get a second job cleaning toilets (certainly a step up from his current employment) to pay for ANOTHER computer so he can get back here and show us all what's what! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh glorious retribution! What ever shall we do without his cerebral wit and depth of insight????? Words like penis and vaginal warts have little meaning without his colorful ability to "bring them to life", as it were! (My apologies for the language)
As was mentioned the very first day he started, ALL of his ilk eventually meet with the same fate. As it was, it is and shall be. Good Bye, Norman/Glenn/Jack/Dreamer , et al!! Alas, I never knew ye! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
You know, sadly, you weren't terribly far off with that guess / rant! I guarantee, while I would be holding my "typewriter" whilst rocking to and fro in a corner, you would have been doing the same clutching both a dictionary and Strunk and White's "Elements of Style."
I give a resounding HUZZAH for Murray! IP ban this time around!
Deep Freeze wrote:
DAMN! DAMN DAMN DAMN!!! I missed it!! Murray got to him before I had the opportunity to be inspired by his remarkable words of wit and wisdom, wherein he destroys my posts with pinpoint logic and his unique sense of the English language, forcing me to take a "hard look" at just what a loser I am and how my life has become a vast wasteland of emptiness, at which point I huddle in the corner, soiling myeslf and rocking slowly back and forth while I sob and softly call out his name!!! DAMN!!!!!!!! Guido! What did he say???? No. Wait. I know!! He said this;
whtevr MEANSA i would put hog in tool go but throat side canary wiggle! you bite go far do thursday word flat beceaz freind good want cake...wife married had fight eye was tip water frog ! i win stoopid cuz i have dogs and sex smart meat on wondow 20 years she wants me i am tough you are gravy!!!
Well done, Murray! Another cretin sent back where he belongs! And now, as I shuffle slowly from room to rooom, shaken to my very core by the razor-sharp attacks of this boor, I stand at the window, facing to the east, and wave slowly...hoping someday he will find his queen. Or his dictionary..... Edited at: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:06:38 AM
Yeah, right... I bet you were one of those that sit in the front row, and raise a hand everytime the teacher asks something...
With us, grades and coolness usualy didnt have a lot in common... The cool ones were those that had nice, shiny clothes, and a regular girlfriend. The rest of us were experts at skipping school, forging excuse notes, cheating at tests... And studying Jackass movies. Dirtbags, in short. But in the end... We all passed, and it was a lot of fun, I suppose. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:51:24 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's because I made it up!!! HA!!!!!!!!!! And I do understand the part about "coolness". Of course, with me, I was WAY cool and did well in class....HAAAAAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Nope, dont know it. Besides, knowing all the sick disturbing shit wasnt exactly a way to measure coolness.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!! Sounds like some "classic" Springsteen tune!...: Spent my youth, trying to be cool. Still remember all that crap from school.... BWWAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, it has been less than a year since I finished high school... That may account for much of it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My my! You are just a fount of information in this area! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, that was fucked up. Nowadays with cars we only get the gassy exhausts... In the old days when all they had were horses, they got exhausts in all three states of matter: gas, liquid and solid. Albeit, the solid one was a bit soft and stinky.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Horse exhaust?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How appropriate for this Thread! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!! Morning folks.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the good old days... When speeding was punished with decapitation. I wonder how they handled horses "exhaust fumes", tho.
Might add that I would love to see how you could joust and change gears at the same time...
devils_child wrote:
Oh yeah i knew it!!! I payed attention in school....
"About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road."
Class dismissed!!! Mwahahahaha!! -Might add that if i feel the need to joust in traffic i'm in a better position...!
devils_child wrote:
I remain defiant!!! I do believe passing on the left hand side originated in England, Prior to the settlement of America... don't quote me on that but it was in the horse and cart days - LOL. I must do some research to back this up....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Nope, dont know it. Besides, knowing all the sick disturbing shit wasnt exactly a way to measure coolness. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:37:52 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!! Sounds like some "classic" Springsteen tune!...: Spent my youth, trying to be cool. Still remember all that crap from school.... BWWAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, it has been less than a year since I finished high school... That may account for much of it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
My my! You are just a fount of information in this area! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, that was fucked up. Nowadays with cars we only get the gassy exhausts... In the old days when all they had were horses, they got exhausts in all three states of matter: gas, liquid and solid. Albeit, the solid one was a bit soft and stinky.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Horse exhaust?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How appropriate for this Thread! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!! Morning folks.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the good old days... When speeding was punished with decapitation. I wonder how they handled horses "exhaust fumes", tho.
Might add that I would love to see how you could joust and change gears at the same time...
devils_child wrote:
Oh yeah i knew it!!! I payed attention in school....
"About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road."
Class dismissed!!! Mwahahahaha!! -Might add that if i feel the need to joust in traffic i'm in a better position...!
devils_child wrote:
I remain defiant!!! I do believe passing on the left hand side originated in England, Prior to the settlement of America... don't quote me on that but it was in the horse and cart days - LOL. I must do some research to back this up....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Well, it has been less than a year since I finished high school... That may account for much of it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:33:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
My my! You are just a fount of information in this area! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, that was fucked up. Nowadays with cars we only get the gassy exhausts... In the old days when all they had were horses, they got exhausts in all three states of matter: gas, liquid and solid. Albeit, the solid one was a bit soft and stinky.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Horse exhaust?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How appropriate for this Thread! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!! Morning folks.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the good old days... When speeding was punished with decapitation. I wonder how they handled horses "exhaust fumes", tho.
Might add that I would love to see how you could joust and change gears at the same time...
devils_child wrote:
Oh yeah i knew it!!! I payed attention in school....
"About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road."
Class dismissed!!! Mwahahahaha!! -Might add that if i feel the need to joust in traffic i'm in a better position...!
devils_child wrote:
I remain defiant!!! I do believe passing on the left hand side originated in England, Prior to the settlement of America... don't quote me on that but it was in the horse and cart days - LOL. I must do some research to back this up....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Yes, that was fucked up. Nowadays with cars we only get the gassy exhausts... In the old days when all they had were horses, they got exhausts in all three states of matter: gas, liquid and solid. Albeit, the solid one was a bit soft and stinky. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:22:46 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Horse exhaust?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How appropriate for this Thread! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!! Morning folks.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the good old days... When speeding was punished with decapitation. I wonder how they handled horses "exhaust fumes", tho.
Might add that I would love to see how you could joust and change gears at the same time...
devils_child wrote:
Oh yeah i knew it!!! I payed attention in school....
"About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road."
Class dismissed!!! Mwahahahaha!! -Might add that if i feel the need to joust in traffic i'm in a better position...!
devils_child wrote:
I remain defiant!!! I do believe passing on the left hand side originated in England, Prior to the settlement of America... don't quote me on that but it was in the horse and cart days - LOL. I must do some research to back this up....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Ah, the good old days... When speeding was punished with decapitation. I wonder how they handled horses "exhaust fumes", tho.
Might add that I would love to see how you could joust and change gears at the same time... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, January 22, 2009 7:09:25 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Oh yeah i knew it!!! I payed attention in school....
"About a quarter of the world drives on the left, and the countries that do are mostly old British colonies. This strange quirk perplexes the rest of the world; but there is a perfectly good reason.
In the past, almost everybody travelled on the left side of the road because that was the most sensible option for feudal, violent societies. Since most people are right-handed, swordsmen preferred to keep to the left in order to have their right arm nearer to an opponent and their scabbard further from him. Moreover, it reduced the chance of the scabbard (worn on the left) hitting other people.
Furthermore, a right-handed person finds it easier to mount a horse from the left side of the horse, and it would be very difficult to do otherwise if wearing a sword (which would be worn on the left). It is safer to mount and dismount towards the side of the road, rather than in the middle of traffic, so if one mounts on the left, then the horse should be ridden on the left side of the road."
Class dismissed!!! Mwahahahaha!! -Might add that if i feel the need to joust in traffic i'm in a better position...!
devils_child wrote:
I remain defiant!!! I do believe passing on the left hand side originated in England, Prior to the settlement of America... don't quote me on that but it was in the horse and cart days - LOL. I must do some research to back this up....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Umm... Cars were invented in Germany. Or better said, it was an internal combustion engine on a carriage that was otherwise pulled by horses... But hey, it was a start.
Oh, and Germans drive on the right side of the road, as does entire continental Europe. I think that the left side is only in use in the former British empire.
Oh, and I agree about the lashes. Make them 50, tho. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Thursday, January 22, 2009 5:06:59 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
DC, sorry to disappoint you, but cars were invented in the USA and we say you, England, Japan (and I think Germany) all drive on the WRONG SIDE OF THE ROAD! We invented the f***er...we make the rules. LOL! Anymore pouting about driving on the wrong side of the road will get you 20 lashes!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Wont the aboriginies object? And, do you have any decent beer down there, or just Fosters? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:00:54 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Darth you know how to create warmth..... failing that, just move to Australia, heaps of room here
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Good morning, my fellow Metallians!!!
Rant of the day: Someone needs to come up with a way to make self-heating clothing. It's too damn cold out!!!
Sorry to burst your bubble there, big guy, but a new computer does not necessarily mean a new IP. While I probably shouldn't have mentioned it leaving him to clean toilets and find out the hard way, I would just hate to see you suffer waiting anxiously for those colorful words of inspiration and wisdom.
I can blather some incoherent nonsense at you from time to time if it will make you feel better, though.
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I can't believe I missed it! Ah well, NOW the cretin will have to get a second job cleaning toilets (certainly a step up from his current employment) to pay for ANOTHER computer so he can get back here and show us all what's what! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh glorious retribution! What ever shall we do without his cerebral wit and depth of insight????? Words like penis and vaginal warts have little meaning without his colorful ability to "bring them to life", as it were! (My apologies for the language)
As was mentioned the very first day he started, ALL of his ilk eventually meet with the same fate. As it was, it is and shall be. Good Bye, Norman/Glenn/Jack/Dreamer , et al!! Alas, I never knew ye! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
You know, sadly, you weren't terribly far off with that guess / rant! I guarantee, while I would be holding my "typewriter" whilst rocking to and fro in a corner, you would have been doing the same clutching both a dictionary and Strunk and White's "Elements of Style."
I give a resounding HUZZAH for Murray! IP ban this time around!
Deep Freeze wrote:
DAMN! DAMN DAMN DAMN!!! I missed it!! Murray got to him before I had the opportunity to be inspired by his remarkable words of wit and wisdom, wherein he destroys my posts with pinpoint logic and his unique sense of the English language, forcing me to take a "hard look" at just what a loser I am and how my life has become a vast wasteland of emptiness, at which point I huddle in the corner, soiling myeslf and rocking slowly back and forth while I sob and softly call out his name!!! DAMN!!!!!!!! Guido! What did he say???? No. Wait. I know!! He said this;
whtevr MEANSA i would put hog in tool go but throat side canary wiggle! you bite go far do thursday word flat beceaz freind good want cake...wife married had fight eye was tip water frog ! i win stoopid cuz i have dogs and sex smart meat on wondow 20 years she wants me i am tough you are gravy!!!
Well done, Murray! Another cretin sent back where he belongs! And now, as I shuffle slowly from room to rooom, shaken to my very core by the razor-sharp attacks of this boor, I stand at the window, facing to the east, and wave slowly...hoping someday he will find his queen. Or his dictionary..... Edited at: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:06:38 AM
Eh? Well, you certainly know how to confuse someone.... But just for the sake of argument, I offer to buy Obamas first presidential no. 2!!! I offer 20€. Anyone offers more? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:48:17 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
NO!! It is not serious!!!
_strat_ wrote:
So... Let me just make sure... This is serious? Of for fucks sake...
Well, looking at the history of such bullshit, this one is not even the worst... Ive heard that years ago someone wanted to sell the "leftovers" of Jesuses circumcision...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Who would buy Obamas turd? Apparently, you have not been paying attention to CNN the last couple days. It is my sincere surprise that there are not any reports of people sigining up to wipe his butt for him in the mornings...
As for Gitmo, I believe he is reconsidering but I am trying desperately NOT to watch any TV today.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on Freeze... Who would buy Obamas turd? Dont you think youre overreacting? Now if it was Lenins...
In any case... Didnt he already start the procedure to close down Guantanamo? I have to say that he is quick. Weve had a new government since autumn, and they barely got around deciding who gets to sit where!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh Val! Please!! It is priceless! It is, afterall, the very first fecal matter ever produced by a black man in presidential history! I heard that there are several "turd parties" being planned across this great nation in honor of this most historic event. Children in schools from coast to coast are, at this very moment, making paper mache turds to display proudly at events all over the nation! Why, I have even seen reports on the news of couple that named their child after the great, presidential log!!! It is truly an historic event and yet MOREproof that we have the "right man" for the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Imagine how much that presidential turd will cost if it were sold on ebay...
Deep Freeze wrote:
BIG NEWS!!! This just in from the AP wire and CNN;
New U.S. president Barack Obama took the first presidential crap this morning!!!! Aides say he was magnificent as he sat there, grunting in glorious presidential dignity while, just outside the door, the adorable first family led by Michelle Obama, waited anxiously while wearing a Christian Dior robe and Gucci slippers thereby proving once and for all that, YES! We CAN!! And CHANGE has come to the White House!!!
Meanwhile, outside on the street, thousands and thousands of weeping supporters began cheering as the announcement of the first, historic flush spread like wild fire through the crowd. One woman, overcome with pride, exclaimed, "I never thought I would see the day that such a great man would pinch such an historic loaf!!!" Rumors quickly spread that Oprah Winfrey plans to do a special next week and have the famous turd as her guest, along with Tom Cruise.
So... Let me just make sure... This is serious? Of for fucks sake...
Well, looking at the history of such bullshit, this one is not even the worst... Ive heard that years ago someone wanted to sell the "leftovers" of Jesuses circumcision... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:41:59 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Who would buy Obamas turd? Apparently, you have not been paying attention to CNN the last couple days. It is my sincere surprise that there are not any reports of people sigining up to wipe his butt for him in the mornings...
As for Gitmo, I believe he is reconsidering but I am trying desperately NOT to watch any TV today.
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, come on Freeze... Who would buy Obamas turd? Dont you think youre overreacting? Now if it was Lenins...
In any case... Didnt he already start the procedure to close down Guantanamo? I have to say that he is quick. Weve had a new government since autumn, and they barely got around deciding who gets to sit where!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh Val! Please!! It is priceless! It is, afterall, the very first fecal matter ever produced by a black man in presidential history! I heard that there are several "turd parties" being planned across this great nation in honor of this most historic event. Children in schools from coast to coast are, at this very moment, making paper mache turds to display proudly at events all over the nation! Why, I have even seen reports on the news of couple that named their child after the great, presidential log!!! It is truly an historic event and yet MOREproof that we have the "right man" for the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Imagine how much that presidential turd will cost if it were sold on ebay...
Deep Freeze wrote:
BIG NEWS!!! This just in from the AP wire and CNN;
New U.S. president Barack Obama took the first presidential crap this morning!!!! Aides say he was magnificent as he sat there, grunting in glorious presidential dignity while, just outside the door, the adorable first family led by Michelle Obama, waited anxiously while wearing a Christian Dior robe and Gucci slippers thereby proving once and for all that, YES! We CAN!! And CHANGE has come to the White House!!!
Meanwhile, outside on the street, thousands and thousands of weeping supporters began cheering as the announcement of the first, historic flush spread like wild fire through the crowd. One woman, overcome with pride, exclaimed, "I never thought I would see the day that such a great man would pinch such an historic loaf!!!" Rumors quickly spread that Oprah Winfrey plans to do a special next week and have the famous turd as her guest, along with Tom Cruise.
Huraah! So we are safe... Until he buys a new computer. In any case, all hail the great Murray! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:57:27 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
You know, sadly, you weren't terribly far off with that guess / rant! I guarantee, while I would be holding my "typewriter" whilst rocking to and fro in a corner, you would have been doing the same clutching both a dictionary and Strunk and White's "Elements of Style."
I give a resounding HUZZAH for Murray! IP ban this time around!
Deep Freeze wrote:
DAMN! DAMN DAMN DAMN!!! I missed it!! Murray got to him before I had the opportunity to be inspired by his remarkable words of wit and wisdom, wherein he destroys my posts with pinpoint logic and his unique sense of the English language, forcing me to take a "hard look" at just what a loser I am and how my life has become a vast wasteland of emptiness, at which point I huddle in the corner, soiling myeslf and rocking slowly back and forth while I sob and softly call out his name!!! DAMN!!!!!!!! Guido! What did he say???? No. Wait. I know!! He said this;
whtevr MEANSA i would put hog in tool go but throat side canary wiggle! you bite go far do thursday word flat beceaz freind good want cake...wife married had fight eye was tip water frog ! i win stoopid cuz i have dogs and sex smart meat on wondow 20 years she wants me i am tough you are gravy!!!
Well done, Murray! Another cretin sent back where he belongs! And now, as I shuffle slowly from room to rooom, shaken to my very core by the razor-sharp attacks of this boor, I stand at the window, facing to the east, and wave slowly...hoping someday he will find his queen. Or his dictionary..... Edited at: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:06:38 AM
DC is right you now... What if he doesnt give a shit? And in any case, even if he was willing to learn, shouldnt we start with something less demanding... Like walking upright? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:30:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, before this GREAT Thread is dissolved, I thought I would ask for a tremendous service from all of the regular members.
It seems there is a need among us. Our friend Glenn (dreamer/whatever) is in desperate need of education. I am sure you have all seen his posts. Never has there been a more urgent need for books, teachers and a solid plan. I ask that each of you look deeply into your hearts and give. Give to the newly formed:
"EDUCATE THE IDIOTS" fund. ANY amount will be appreciated. With your help, we can wipe out illiteracy once and for all. We can help a man find the words to tell his wife he is unfaithful...and she will actually be able to understand him. We will help a man handle confrontation with the ability to use intelligence rather than comments on the size of his genitalia. We can help a man actually makes sense when he comes to a website and is required to use words and be coherent. Please...call now. Edited at: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:33:02 AM
Oh, come on Freeze... Who would buy Obamas turd? Dont you think youre overreacting? Now if it was Lenins...
In any case... Didnt he already start the procedure to close down Guantanamo? I have to say that he is quick. Weve had a new government since autumn, and they barely got around deciding who gets to sit where! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:45:04 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh Val! Please!! It is priceless! It is, afterall, the very first fecal matter ever produced by a black man in presidential history! I heard that there are several "turd parties" being planned across this great nation in honor of this most historic event. Children in schools from coast to coast are, at this very moment, making paper mache turds to display proudly at events all over the nation! Why, I have even seen reports on the news of couple that named their child after the great, presidential log!!! It is truly an historic event and yet MOREproof that we have the "right man" for the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Imagine how much that presidential turd will cost if it were sold on ebay...
Deep Freeze wrote:
BIG NEWS!!! This just in from the AP wire and CNN;
New U.S. president Barack Obama took the first presidential crap this morning!!!! Aides say he was magnificent as he sat there, grunting in glorious presidential dignity while, just outside the door, the adorable first family led by Michelle Obama, waited anxiously while wearing a Christian Dior robe and Gucci slippers thereby proving once and for all that, YES! We CAN!! And CHANGE has come to the White House!!!
Meanwhile, outside on the street, thousands and thousands of weeping supporters began cheering as the announcement of the first, historic flush spread like wild fire through the crowd. One woman, overcome with pride, exclaimed, "I never thought I would see the day that such a great man would pinch such an historic loaf!!!" Rumors quickly spread that Oprah Winfrey plans to do a special next week and have the famous turd as her guest, along with Tom Cruise.
Now wait just a doggone minute!! What is all this talk about whips, DC??? I think we need to have a frank discussion about boundaries...HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! You guys are out of control! I will say that I truly am proud of strat! As usual, he has taken his lessons seriously and implements them will studious accuracy.
Pruning the trees is my winter exercise... LOL.... your just jealous cos it's so beautiful in winter here... mwahahaha!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha... So, you never had the chance to participate in certain winter sports? Like the one that takes place in front of my house and includes a shovel? Great for your back... I can provide that!
Oh, and you guys down there are right bastards. 20°C at winter? More like -20 over here!
devils_child wrote:
Sorry mate..... it don't get cold here.... 20 degrees C max..... I can handle that, it's just summer that's murder... I looooooooove winter here.... tis' a walk in the park...
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... How about this: I wait till its summer over here and winter at your end, and then laugh when you complain about the cold?
devils_child wrote:
Stuffed up sinus as part of the fan breezing over you naked sweaty body all night?..... Yeah might add the waking up every 30 mins due to overheating..... forget sex too....... It's to damn hot!!!! Still got a deal??
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... And if I throw in the ice on the pavements, wind and a mild flu?
devils_child wrote:
Sorry honey, Humidity is part of the package........ ....Take it or leave it.... ?
_strat_ wrote:
Keep the humidity... Hand over the sun. I can pay you with plenty of rain, cold and a week old snow. Deal?
devils_child wrote:
It's all yours!!!! I need to go out for party supplies but be damned if i walk in this heat... the sun is blazing and the humidity is keeping me covered in a glaze of sweat constantly, only just now starting to get the afternoon sea breeze....... relief at last! *sigh*
spapad wrote:
Yes DC! I would take the pit of hell heat before this cold that chills your bones to just go out for 4 minutes in! PLEASE Give me that sun! Please!
devils_child wrote:
36'C..... fricken kill me!!!! My arms are dripping with sweat.... would anyone like to switch places?????
Not when someone over 35 is involved... In that case details can be quite disturbing. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:34:25 AM)
devils_child wrote:
You like the details...... Freeze, you got another thing commin'..... By the way you spelt "assignment" wrong, Freeze will be sooooo dissapointed...
_strat_ wrote:
Ahm... You know, I could do with less details...
Anyway, I gotta go now... Just got another assingment...
devils_child wrote:
LOL..... your one with Freeze aye?...... I'm the one who chases after him on the left side with a bull whip... he'll be sorry once i catch his arse.....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. And Im glad its not me. Right side or no side (Freeze will be so proud...)!!!
devils_child wrote:
It's dangerous.... but someone has to do it!
_strat_ wrote:
Driving on the left? Dont you know how dangerous that is?!?!?! I tried it over here once, and almost got myself killed!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Anyway, I gotta go now... Just got another assingment... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:08:59 AM)
devils_child wrote:
LOL..... your one with Freeze aye?...... I'm the one who chases after him on the left side with a bull whip... he'll be sorry once i catch his arse.....
_strat_ wrote:
Yup. And Im glad its not me. Right side or no side (Freeze will be so proud...)!!!
devils_child wrote:
It's dangerous.... but someone has to do it!
_strat_ wrote:
Driving on the left? Dont you know how dangerous that is?!?!?! I tried it over here once, and almost got myself killed!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Aha... So, you never had the chance to participate in certain winter sports? Like the one that takes place in front of my house and includes a shovel? Great for your back... I can provide that!
Oh, and you guys down there are right bastards. 20°C at winter? More like -20 over here! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:11:23 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Sorry mate..... it don't get cold here.... 20 degrees C max..... I can handle that, it's just summer that's murder... I looooooooove winter here.... tis' a walk in the park...
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... How about this: I wait till its summer over here and winter at your end, and then laugh when you complain about the cold?
devils_child wrote:
Stuffed up sinus as part of the fan breezing over you naked sweaty body all night?..... Yeah might add the waking up every 30 mins due to overheating..... forget sex too....... It's to damn hot!!!! Still got a deal??
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... And if I throw in the ice on the pavements, wind and a mild flu?
devils_child wrote:
Sorry honey, Humidity is part of the package........ ....Take it or leave it.... ?
_strat_ wrote:
Keep the humidity... Hand over the sun. I can pay you with plenty of rain, cold and a week old snow. Deal?
devils_child wrote:
It's all yours!!!! I need to go out for party supplies but be damned if i walk in this heat... the sun is blazing and the humidity is keeping me covered in a glaze of sweat constantly, only just now starting to get the afternoon sea breeze....... relief at last! *sigh*
spapad wrote:
Yes DC! I would take the pit of hell heat before this cold that chills your bones to just go out for 4 minutes in! PLEASE Give me that sun! Please!
devils_child wrote:
36'C..... fricken kill me!!!! My arms are dripping with sweat.... would anyone like to switch places?????
Umm... How about this: I wait till its summer over here and winter at your end, and then laugh when you complain about the cold? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:02:06 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Stuffed up sinus as part of the fan breezing over you naked sweaty body all night?..... Yeah might add the waking up every 30 mins due to overheating..... forget sex too....... It's to damn hot!!!! Still got a deal??
_strat_ wrote:
Ehm... And if I throw in the ice on the pavements, wind and a mild flu?
devils_child wrote:
Sorry honey, Humidity is part of the package........ ....Take it or leave it.... ?
_strat_ wrote:
Keep the humidity... Hand over the sun. I can pay you with plenty of rain, cold and a week old snow. Deal?
devils_child wrote:
It's all yours!!!! I need to go out for party supplies but be damned if i walk in this heat... the sun is blazing and the humidity is keeping me covered in a glaze of sweat constantly, only just now starting to get the afternoon sea breeze....... relief at last! *sigh*
spapad wrote:
Yes DC! I would take the pit of hell heat before this cold that chills your bones to just go out for 4 minutes in! PLEASE Give me that sun! Please!
devils_child wrote:
36'C..... fricken kill me!!!! My arms are dripping with sweat.... would anyone like to switch places?????
Yup. And Im glad its not me. Right side or no side (Freeze will be so proud...)!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:04:23 AM)
devils_child wrote:
It's dangerous.... but someone has to do it!
_strat_ wrote:
Driving on the left? Dont you know how dangerous that is?!?!?! I tried it over here once, and almost got myself killed!
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Driving on the left? Dont you know how dangerous that is?!?!?! I tried it over here once, and almost got myself killed! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:37:16 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Annex my country???? But Darth, I thought you loved me the way i was....... And no fricken way am i driving on the wrong side of the road.... The mother country drives on the left and so i shall continue to....
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Ehm... And if I throw in the ice on the pavements, wind and a mild flu? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 5:40:14 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Sorry honey, Humidity is part of the package........ ....Take it or leave it.... ?
_strat_ wrote:
Keep the humidity... Hand over the sun. I can pay you with plenty of rain, cold and a week old snow. Deal?
devils_child wrote:
It's all yours!!!! I need to go out for party supplies but be damned if i walk in this heat... the sun is blazing and the humidity is keeping me covered in a glaze of sweat constantly, only just now starting to get the afternoon sea breeze....... relief at last! *sigh*
spapad wrote:
Yes DC! I would take the pit of hell heat before this cold that chills your bones to just go out for 4 minutes in! PLEASE Give me that sun! Please!
devils_child wrote:
36'C..... fricken kill me!!!! My arms are dripping with sweat.... would anyone like to switch places?????
Nah, he will take over any thread. Frankly, I think it would be reasonable just to create another thread with the same title, just to start on topic discussion from scratch... In any case, this was not a lifeless ten year old we were dealing with. It was serious molestation and stalking, and frankly I think that he wasnt banned a momnet too soon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:42:24 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Frankly, I didn't want him to go. I kinda wanted to keep going at it with him. Oh well. Maybe we should create an AC/DC Black Ice thread in the newbie section to draw him back in?
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, never mind. I can see that the sucker has been officialy banned!
_strat_ wrote:
Wow, looks like there was finaly some action undertaken on the issue... Just wondering, was the message you quoted already banned, when you quoted it?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
For the record, I left my wife. Partially out of respect for her and my children...which is a lot more than you can say about yourself. Also, my ex-wife and I get along better as friends, and I found a great woman.
I don't blame spapad for what she did to you or with you. She thought she found a nice guy, but she didn't realize you're an absolute lunatic. Frankly, I realized it while you, me, and your friend and neighbors were tailgating at the Camden Metal Masters concert. Dude, you've got some SERIOUS emotional issues and you really do need professional help.
As for myself and those who routinely come onto this site...oh, wait...that includes you too hypocrite! You're on here more than I am! LOL You are such a tool.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Like most peolpe on this board mind your own buissness,dont talk to you,you go back to your wife, right she left you for something ,better dont air my dirty laundry ! Would leave then what would you losers do for entertainment apparently some of you live on this site!You are the ill one not me!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I've got two things...On the topic at hand, Black Ice is a good album. Not great, but better than the last 2 by far. Sadly, I don't think they have all that much left in the tank though. My guess is another studio album and that's it.
Glenn, please do yourself a big favor...go be with your wife man. You're not welcome here and you're just going to end up in a big pile of shit with the way you're acting. I think you must be mentally ill to act the way you do on a consistent basis. It's really, really sad.
Well, the Ruskies dont like us, since they shut down the gas supplies (although - better Russians closing the gas, than Germans letting it), and I already live in a capitalist country... So, how worse can it get?
Oh, and to explain a complex philosophical issue... Beer = good. Too much beer = alcoholism+ beer gut + overall fuckupness = very bad. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:37:40 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Annex your country too? LOL! The Russians would be choking on their vodka if that happened! Besides, you'll have to live in a democratic and capitalist nation then.
As for Obama, I can almost guarantee his picture will be plastered all over the front pages of several hundred major newspapers this morning. I already checked the two in Philadelphia and he's all over it.
Is there such a thing as too much of a good thing being bad for you?
_strat_ wrote:
Consider us as well. I havent seen todays newspaper yet, but I have a "hunch" that Obamas picture will be all over the first page (it was on half of the first page when he was elected). And they even broadcasted (and badly synchronized) the inauguration live on the national TV station!!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Ah, never mind. I can see that the sucker has been officialy banned! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:27:33 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Wow, looks like there was finaly some action undertaken on the issue... Just wondering, was the message you quoted already banned, when you quoted it?
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
For the record, I left my wife. Partially out of respect for her and my children...which is a lot more than you can say about yourself. Also, my ex-wife and I get along better as friends, and I found a great woman.
I don't blame spapad for what she did to you or with you. She thought she found a nice guy, but she didn't realize you're an absolute lunatic. Frankly, I realized it while you, me, and your friend and neighbors were tailgating at the Camden Metal Masters concert. Dude, you've got some SERIOUS emotional issues and you really do need professional help.
As for myself and those who routinely come onto this site...oh, wait...that includes you too hypocrite! You're on here more than I am! LOL You are such a tool.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Like most peolpe on this board mind your own buissness,dont talk to you,you go back to your wife, right she left you for something ,better dont air my dirty laundry ! Would leave then what would you losers do for entertainment apparently some of you live on this site!You are the ill one not me!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I've got two things...On the topic at hand, Black Ice is a good album. Not great, but better than the last 2 by far. Sadly, I don't think they have all that much left in the tank though. My guess is another studio album and that's it.
Glenn, please do yourself a big favor...go be with your wife man. You're not welcome here and you're just going to end up in a big pile of shit with the way you're acting. I think you must be mentally ill to act the way you do on a consistent basis. It's really, really sad.
Consider us as well. I havent seen todays newspaper yet, but I have a "hunch" that Obamas picture will be all over the first page (it was on half of the first page when he was elected). And they even broadcasted (and badly synchronized) the inauguration live on the national TV station!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:28:54 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Personally, I think my country should annex Austrailia. You already seem to get a ton of our news (probably even some of the more irrelevant stuff). Think of it as a natural progression. We'll just have to teach you folks to drive on the right side of the road! HA!
devils_child wrote:
LOL... you're sick of it?.... Im an Australian and i'm fricken sick of seeing Obama's mug plastered all over my AUSTRALIAN news papers, magazines.... etc. I don't watch the news for this precise reason. It's all full of American politics........... seriously he got first page of the Sunday paper....PLUS a 4 page spread... No offence Americans but he does not run this country, well at least that's what i'd like to believe. Yes, he should get some mention, but he has been all over every form of media in this country of mine for what feels like an eternity now.... I can't imagine what you have to deal with over in the U.S.... it's bad enough here and i am on the other side of the world.... not even in the same hemisphere!!!!!!! You know sometimes i feel that we Australians should have a chance the vote in the American presidential election...... Lord knows we have to deal with the outcomes of it.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
No kidding! The TV has been on "Obama Overload" for days! I am sick of it. I mean, good for him. He won an election!. But, as I said before, he has done nothing yet! Certainly NOT worthy of this garbage all over my friggin television day after day! There have been 43 others that have done at least as much (or more). Oh wait, is it because he is black??!?!?! AH!!!! And I thought this was not about race!
The Princess has tried to start that, "Oh you are just bitter" crap with me and I am quick to point out that the election is over. Why is it that I should drool over a man that has not done a thing as president, other than have dark skin color??? WHY? Because he is the first? Whoopee. That is not in the job description and will make NO difference when he actually has to do something. For all of this talk (and it clearly was only talk) that he "transcends" race, he and his sycophants are sure quick to scream about his color! Jeez, it is still on the local stations!
I have been in the position of "losing" the election in my life.I can handle that. I did not vote for Clinton either time! I got over it. Sure enough, for all of his hype, he proved to be just what I thought he was. I truly hope I am wrong about Obama. I want him to do well. It will serve me personally and that is important! But this is just too much. It has reached the point of stupidity. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 3:02:48 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, I just checked my email, and there is a breaking news report. so I wonder, riots in washington, a plane crash, drug bust??? nope
Obama is sworn in as the 44th US president. WTF, how is this breaking news. anyone not know that today at around noon eastern this was going down?
Wow, looks like there was finaly some action undertaken on the issue... Just wondering, was the message you quoted already banned, when you quoted it? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:17:32 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
For the record, I left my wife. Partially out of respect for her and my children...which is a lot more than you can say about yourself. Also, my ex-wife and I get along better as friends, and I found a great woman.
I don't blame spapad for what she did to you or with you. She thought she found a nice guy, but she didn't realize you're an absolute lunatic. Frankly, I realized it while you, me, and your friend and neighbors were tailgating at the Camden Metal Masters concert. Dude, you've got some SERIOUS emotional issues and you really do need professional help.
As for myself and those who routinely come onto this site...oh, wait...that includes you too hypocrite! You're on here more than I am! LOL You are such a tool.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Like most peolpe on this board mind your own buissness,dont talk to you,you go back to your wife, right she left you for something ,better dont air my dirty laundry ! Would leave then what would you losers do for entertainment apparently some of you live on this site!You are the ill one not me!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I've got two things...On the topic at hand, Black Ice is a good album. Not great, but better than the last 2 by far. Sadly, I don't think they have all that much left in the tank though. My guess is another studio album and that's it.
Glenn, please do yourself a big favor...go be with your wife man. You're not welcome here and you're just going to end up in a big pile of shit with the way you're acting. I think you must be mentally ill to act the way you do on a consistent basis. It's really, really sad.
Keep the humidity... Hand over the sun. I can pay you with plenty of rain, cold and a week old snow. Deal? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 10:20:08 PM)
devils_child wrote:
It's all yours!!!! I need to go out for party supplies but be damned if i walk in this heat... the sun is blazing and the humidity is keeping me covered in a glaze of sweat constantly, only just now starting to get the afternoon sea breeze....... relief at last! *sigh*
spapad wrote:
Yes DC! I would take the pit of hell heat before this cold that chills your bones to just go out for 4 minutes in! PLEASE Give me that sun! Please!
devils_child wrote:
36'C..... fricken kill me!!!! My arms are dripping with sweat.... would anyone like to switch places?????
Lol, yes he is. Unforunately for him, tho, I also quite like to have the last word. We will see who lasts longer then...
Oh, on topic... I think that AC/DC died with Bonn Scott. Sorry, Brian, but there was only one Bonn and nothing you do can change it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, January 21, 2009 1:30:39 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAA!!!! What do you want to bet he either looked up the meaning of MENSA or skipped over it altogether? My bet is the latter as he never learned the difference between "know" and "no." FrIEnd is another of his difficulties. "I" before "E" except after "C."
Ah, something makes me think that he is one to "get in the last word" no matter what....call it a hunch. Just not to my face. Oh "the bells, the bells!" HAAAAAA!!!!!
Hey, who wants to talk about AC/DC? I think their new album is pretty sad. Just not as bad as the last few which sucked. Just trying to keep on topic.
Deep Freeze wrote:
What the hell are you trying to say, MENSA????? My GOD!! Did you go to school??? I mean, really? Did you go to school? I have never seen just garbled nonsense in my life!! PLEASE tell me you have some construction job or something like that?? You cannot possibly function in the real world with that little ability to write! Does your "real" woman handle the thinking, too? Perhaps that would make more sense! Now then, allow me to speak in your apparent language;
you got no where I stood but no horse came to after wait. i seed no far but can cow in hole with large tax on gate.. .. ..i win goat for side lunch on cheese whiz.. dof bowl on this rare hood for a letter...
1. I seriously doubt that you can get "that" without throwing the victim in the pit, and using certain "Silence of the lambs" tricks. Im not particulary jealous about that, thank you very much.
2. I didnt say anything. I said that the answer might not be what we want to hear. The rest was done in your pre-historic imagination. Someone has a dirty mind... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Tuesday, January 20, 2009 4:28:07 PM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Only a perv like you would make such a comment,all i know is they would rip the throat out of someone who would lay a hand on me cause they are treated so well ,ask someone from this site who personally drove 450 miles without knowing me ,she trusted me enoughmaybe she will be honest sometime in her future! But doubt it!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, Freeze, I would not recomend you asking what he does with his dogs. The answer might not be something we want to hear.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Although my current situation requires that I concentrate more closely on the business at hand, I simply must comment on the previous few posts.
What an utterly disgusting piece of filth you are! How can any human being call himself a "man" with such behavior?? Is this a childhood issue? Were you molested by a parent or sibling?? Do you even understand what it means to be a MAN? It is certainly not a matter of genitalia! The behavior you model affects your children and their future as well! Do you not even GET that?? You cretinous boor!
And "fighting"???? Is THAT your answer to righteousness?? I can "beat you up"?? What the hell is THAT??!?!?! Physical prowess (IF you really even have any) was great for Cro-Magnon but it serves very little purpose in the modern world. Perhaps you missed THAT class on the same day you skipped English?? What a complete moron.
And what of your WIFE? That lovely blonde lady that probably has NO idea that her midget husband is ALSO a womanizer?? And your two dogs?? Do you treat them this way??? Disgusting.
Look, if you really are this kind of troll, keep it to yourself before you end up back in jail where you clearly belong! On second thought, perhaps you should continue your current course of action and we can just let the proper authorities have a peek at your IP and your recent comments? yes! That is a MUCH better idea! Just keep being you.
Although my current situation requires that I concentrate more closely on the business at hand, I simply must comment on the previous few posts.
What an utterly disgusting piece of filth you are! How can any human being call himself a "man" with such behavior?? Is this a childhood issue? Were you molested by a parent or sibling?? Do you even understand what it means to be a MAN? It is certainly not a matter of genitalia! The behavior you model affects your children and their future as well! Do you not even GET that?? You cretinous boor!
And "fighting"???? Is THAT your answer to righteousness?? I can "beat you up"?? What the hell is THAT??!?!?! Physical prowess (IF you really even have any) was great for Cro-Magnon but it serves very little purpose in the modern world. Perhaps you missed THAT class on the same day you skipped English?? What a complete moron.
And what of your WIFE? That lovely blonde lady that probably has NO idea that her midget husband is ALSO a womanizer?? And your two dogs?? Do you treat them this way??? Disgusting.
Look, if you really are this kind of troll, keep it to yourself before you end up back in jail where you clearly belong! On second thought, perhaps you should continue your current course of action and we can just let the proper authorities have a peek at your IP and your recent comments? yes! That is a MUCH better idea! Just keep being you.
A couple degrees above freezing, foggy, but at least nothings falling from the sky.
That time of the year again, tho... The thaw. Temps get above freezing at day, and below at night, so everything that was molten in daytime freezes overnight and stays frozen till midday. Im seriously considering going to work on ice skates.
To work I came, and turned on the computer,
And, lo, what I see, the return of our stalker!
I read his message, and clicked to report,
Its very offensive, to him thats a sport!
"Is he really married?" I asked my dear self,
"Cuz he couldnt get laid, except with his hand!"
A fifthy three year old man, who acts like a brat,
I mean seriously, how lame can you get? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 19, 2009 8:03:40 PM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Just so yoiu know,i treat people the way they treat me you are prejudgement ashole too.She is the one who has been walking around her life with black eyes broken ribs etc.from her ex boy freinds and husband,i just wouldnt leave my wife for her so she created trouble in the real world so i created trouble in the only world she knows> One women 3 men same problem you do the math she wants to possess somethiong she cant,and i dont beat woman ive been married 20 strong yearsto a real woman,she is something i made a mistake with,and she still wont leave me be like most of you assholes,she is a slut but you all support her so have her,so if you people would of left me be we would'nt be at thi9s point,Guido is a hacker and stalker!
PHEEEW!...FOR A SECOND THERE,I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKIN' TO ME ...MUST HAVE BEEN THE 'FILTH' THING...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Although my current situation requires that I concentrate more closely on the business at hand, I simply must comment on the previous few posts.
What an utterly disgusting piece of filth you are! How can any human being call himself a "man" with such behavior?? Is this a childhood issue? Were you molested by a parent or sibling?? Do you even understand what it means to be a MAN? It is certainly not a matter of genitalia! The behavior you model affects your children and their future as well! Do you not even GET that?? You cretinous boor!
And "fighting"???? Is THAT your answer to righteousness?? I can "beat you up"?? What the hell is THAT??!?!?! Physical prowess (IF you really even have any) was great for Cro-Magnon but it serves very little purpose in the modern world. Perhaps you missed THAT class on the same day you skipped English?? What a complete moron.
And what of your WIFE? That lovely blonde lady that probably has NO idea that her midget husband is ALSO a womanizer?? And your two dogs?? Do you treat them this way??? Disgusting.
Look, if you really are this kind of troll, keep it to yourself before you end up back in jail where you clearly belong! On second thought, perhaps you should continue your current course of action and we can just let the proper authorities have a peek at your IP and your recent comments? yes! That is a MUCH better idea! Just keep being you.
Ugh... Lucky bastards. Whats MLK day? I only gathered that it is a day off... Well, perhaps thats the only thing thats important. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, January 19, 2009 6:20:59 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Good day fellow Metalheads on another cold wintry day...it is Monday and there is no work for us on MLK Day here in the states. Another day to mess around on the Board here...have a good one everybody!!!
Yup. Bev did a wonderfull job in outgunning the bastard with pics. He hasnt responded in that thread since, and I guess thats worth a lot.
In any case, I guess that in a long run it wont be such a big deal, at least not for those of us who are only involved on-line. I must say tho, that this is the biggest excces in my time here. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by I.M.P. from Sunday, January 18, 2009 9:38:04 PM)
I.M.P. wrote:
I'm actually impressed with the way posters handled the situation. Papering over the moron's spree of idiocy with pictures of the band was brilliant!
Had to actually go back several pages to find out what the complaints and words were referring to. In the end, this is a blip on the site, easily buried, and admirably dealt with. The disgusting part is the fact that this person actually dragged the people he was degrading out on this site... What a worthless person. I feel bad for those people involved, for them this is an issue that goes beyond internet idiocy...
And hello to you Deep Freeze, and all the metallians and denizens of our wonderful planet!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just spent over twenty minutes "back reading"in the Moment Please Thread. As I really have very little patience at this moment, my first thought was to simply turn the damn computer off for the weekend but, as I read post after post, my stomach began to knot up and I could actually feel the bile rise! I felt genuine anger and was about to unleash in that Thread , when a wave of common sense grabbed me and I stopped. I decided it would be better that I came here and said something.
How in the name of all that is decent have we come to this??? People! Are we friggin MAD????? I am so completely disgusted with what I saw that I am very near logging off of this site for the indefinite future! What kind of person is this guy?? What kind of power (yes, power) does he hold that would turn our family so upside- down and leave us in such a state?? There should NEVER be ANYONE that can do this to us.
I commend our dear guido for his acts of chivalry! Obviously, if there is a man among us, he is that man. There is no greater cause than the defense of a loved friend. Having said this, I am sick to my stomach over how the whole event degraded into a personal and very private war. This is a public forum seen ALL OVER THE WORLD! What kind of idiot brings his family into this war and stays??? I should think he would have simply logged off when guido fired the first devastating salvo?!?! But no, he decided to stand and fight and at what cost? At what gain?? To attempt to further humiliate and already spent ex-girlfriend? Is THAT worth one's family and privacy??
In our world , the idea of a man and a father have been degraded to such a level as to have little meaning. Any male human with a sperm count can sire offspring. That is now the definition of fatherhood. What we have is simply a condition of more children that have NO idea what a father really is. Apparently, that word has just lost all meaning. Father...big friggin deal! Where is the dignity and grace? Where is the responsibility? *ugh*
I am so utterly disgusted by the things I have read today that I find myself feeling ill. I am literally sick to my stomach. If this person is an example of the state of fatherhood in the US, we as a country.., as a RACE, are doomed and I am NOT saying this for some kind of emotional effect. PLEASE tell me there is a man among us! PLEASE tell me there is a father.
I can assure you Murray will see this garbage and he will be FAR less than pleased. And, before any of you friggin dumbasses bother to say it, NO I am NOT "pals" with Murray Francis. I do not "have him over for dinner". I do know he will be as disgusted as I am and God help this site. And now, having said all of this, I have one final comment;
Can any of you tell me what YOU think the guys in the Band would say is they actually read that exchange? Think about that for a moment. What kind of a reflection is it on the Band and its fans? If Rob were to take a peek, just by happenstance. What would he think? If JAYNE were to see that? As a woman, I think she would probably have FAR more to say than me and it would not be nearly as reserved!
It has been a terribly emotional couple days for me. I have seen things and thought of things that no one should have to endure. This place is a sanctuary. It is a place of friendship and love. I come here for the solace and comfort that my family has here for me. That has been defiled this morning and I am hurt. I am truly hurt. I going now. PLEASE find some time to consider my words. PLEASE find a moment to come together. I love you all. Good Bye.
Anyone that gets within shouting distance of those brats is a hero, not a coward. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, January 17, 2009 11:42:40 AM)
Head banger wrote:
well, there is something to be said for that, but the cowards would hide behind them....
_strat_ wrote:
Nah, Ive got a better solution. I just watched one of them "Nanny reality shows" on TV. We should just get one of them big intercontinental bombers, load it up with kids, and drop them over Gaza. I guarantee you, the shit would be over in less than a day.
Head banger wrote:
yep. 47 this could have been diferent, but today, its not fixable. probably the most humane thing to do is nuke the whole area, but thats kind of dificult to sell. kill a few million now, end all the BS for a thousand years. nah.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, thats pretty much it. Mindless nationalism and religious extremism at its best.
I guess that the creation of Israel back in 1947 was the original sinn... But that was long ago, letting it get destroyed today wont set that wrong aright.
Head banger wrote:
sure blame is plentifull, solutions not so.
the problem with one side eliminating the other is both can be replenished from kids overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Hamas are freaks, that is true, but Israel cannot be completely absolved of guilt either. Gaza has been a prison for 1,5 million Palestinians for decades, and even in the best of times they had shortages of basic neccesities. Not to mention that Israels army is one of the most technologicaly advanced in the world. Im sure that if they would give a shit they wouldnt cause so many civilian casualties. Infact, they may deliberatly be causing so much, to scare Hamas into submission.
In any case, I think that the only solution would be to physicaly separate them. A NATO or an UN mission, whatever, with serious numbers, weapons and authorisation, that would keep them apart for long enugh (which would be decades) to cool them off. Failing that, pull everything out, and wait till one side eliminates the other.
Head banger wrote:
this shit will keep going on, untill either the world ends, all sids give up religion, or isreal moves and colonizes a new star system.
I see no hope, the hamas terorists will keep this up, and dont care if they or the kids they hide behind die. Isreal will fight back. it goes on. if, anyone was serious about a ceasefire that was meaningfull, they could agree to share that area, but the hate runs too deep.
Now come on, our dear evolutionary cousin... No need to overload your mental capacity with such lenghty posts...
Keep them short, ok? We have a hard time deciphering your bullshit as it is. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:48:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Hey slut you and her are a package,at least i dont have a dildo ,vibrator,and a book on sex fantasies to get off you are a 2 faced bitch! You took my load so many times i got you sore,but lie just like you said you weren't with me you were begging me as early as a week ago,in black and white and you people read what you want! Like you how's your liver hope yopu kroak soon,eating comet for breakfast,breakfast of champs! Few butts to help Flora breathe better she is so self in herself she has no future!
spapad wrote:
Michael, he has hobbies: Masterbation, fantasizing, and learning hwo 2 tpye! LOL
spapad wrote:
You attack Vail?.........For answering a question to Guid? You are a really piece of shit you moron. Go to hell you son of a woman who walked around with a mattress strapped to her back in her reproductive years!
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
I take it you must be just like skankpud! You respect her so you must be! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
HAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No Truce now BITCH ,amazing how stupid you and these losers are,thinking i made them things up they have origin of sent,i guess protect the female who will bear childern for the gang! Will be forwarding all info to kay now that you involved my son,enjoy this and your DADDY,he is a great replacement,ashaqmed people only type and beleive what they want! You begged me as soon as 4 days ago to come down after all the degrading you took and they respect a slut like you you people all from same shit pile!
spapad wrote:
I call truce and walk away. It's really disgusting what happened here and I want no part of it from now on. Say what you will! I dont give a damn.
Nah, Ive got a better solution. I just watched one of them "Nanny reality shows" on TV. We should just get one of them big intercontinental bombers, load it up with kids, and drop them over Gaza. I guarantee you, the shit would be over in less than a day. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, January 16, 2009 7:17:42 AM)
Head banger wrote:
yep. 47 this could have been diferent, but today, its not fixable. probably the most humane thing to do is nuke the whole area, but thats kind of dificult to sell. kill a few million now, end all the BS for a thousand years. nah.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, thats pretty much it. Mindless nationalism and religious extremism at its best.
I guess that the creation of Israel back in 1947 was the original sinn... But that was long ago, letting it get destroyed today wont set that wrong aright.
Head banger wrote:
sure blame is plentifull, solutions not so.
the problem with one side eliminating the other is both can be replenished from kids overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Hamas are freaks, that is true, but Israel cannot be completely absolved of guilt either. Gaza has been a prison for 1,5 million Palestinians for decades, and even in the best of times they had shortages of basic neccesities. Not to mention that Israels army is one of the most technologicaly advanced in the world. Im sure that if they would give a shit they wouldnt cause so many civilian casualties. Infact, they may deliberatly be causing so much, to scare Hamas into submission.
In any case, I think that the only solution would be to physicaly separate them. A NATO or an UN mission, whatever, with serious numbers, weapons and authorisation, that would keep them apart for long enugh (which would be decades) to cool them off. Failing that, pull everything out, and wait till one side eliminates the other.
Head banger wrote:
this shit will keep going on, untill either the world ends, all sids give up religion, or isreal moves and colonizes a new star system.
I see no hope, the hamas terorists will keep this up, and dont care if they or the kids they hide behind die. Isreal will fight back. it goes on. if, anyone was serious about a ceasefire that was meaningfull, they could agree to share that area, but the hate runs too deep.
What?!?!?! Guido is the man? Hes oppresing me, hes the man!! Get him!!!
Ok, returning from freak mode to serious mode... Freeze, calm down. We will get rid of him, you know we will. You said so yourself. And when his sorry ass will be flying out, we will return back to normal, as we always do. Now, I wont comment on the "chivalrous" part, I think my opinions on that kind of stuff are well known, but I commend Guido as well. Never have so many oved so much... To a nerd (j/k).
Glenn sure is an idiot, but thankfully, he is one idiot (albeit with multiple personalities, as it would seem). The US wont die because of him (for better or for worse).
I did my small share in it, by reporting the offensive messages (about twenty, I would say - my personal record). I dont know whats taking Murray so long (this has been going on for quite a while), but Im sure out wait is nearly at an end. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 17, 2009 8:37:57 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I just spent over twenty minutes "back reading"in the Moment Please Thread. As I really have very little patience at this moment, my first thought was to simply turn the damn computer off for the weekend but, as I read post after post, my stomach began to knot up and I could actually feel the bile rise! I felt genuine anger and was about to unleash in that Thread , when a wave of common sense grabbed me and I stopped. I decided it would be better that I came here and said something.
How in the name of all that is decent have we come to this??? People! Are we friggin MAD????? I am so completely disgusted with what I saw that I am very near logging off of this site for the indefinite future! What kind of person is this guy?? What kind of power (yes, power) does he hold that would turn our family so upside- down and leave us in such a state?? There should NEVER be ANYONE that can do this to us.
I commend our dear guido for his acts of chivalry! Obviously, if there is a man among us, he is that man. There is no greater cause than the defense of a loved friend. Having said this, I am sick to my stomach over how the whole event degraded into a personal and very private war. This is a public forum seen ALL OVER THE WORLD! What kind of idiot brings his family into this war and stays??? I should think he would have simply logged off when guido fired the first devastating salvo?!?! But no, he decided to stand and fight and at what cost? At what gain?? To attempt to further humiliate and already spent ex-girlfriend? Is THAT worth one's family and privacy??
In our world , the idea of a man and a father have been degraded to such a level as to have little meaning. Any male human with a sperm count can sire offspring. That is now the definition of fatherhood. What we have is simply a condition of more children that have NO idea what a father really is. Apparently, that word has just lost all meaning. Father...big friggin deal! Where is the dignity and grace? Where is the responsibility? *ugh*
I am so utterly disgusted by the things I have read today that I find myself feeling ill. I am literally sick to my stomach. If this person is an example of the state of fatherhood in the US, we as a country.., as a RACE, are doomed and I am NOT saying this for some kind of emotional effect. PLEASE tell me there is a man among us! PLEASE tell me there is a father.
I can assure you Murray will see this garbage and he will be FAR less than pleased. And, before any of you friggin dumbasses bother to say it, NO I am NOT "pals" with Murray Francis. I do not "have him over for dinner". I do know he will be as disgusted as I am and God help this site. And now, having said all of this, I have one final comment;
Can any of you tell me what YOU think the guys in the Band would say is they actually read that exchange? Think about that for a moment. What kind of a reflection is it on the Band and its fans? If Rob were to take a peek, just by happenstance. What would he think? If JAYNE were to see that? As a woman, I think she would probably have FAR more to say than me and it would not be nearly as reserved!
It has been a terribly emotional couple days for me. I have seen things and thought of things that no one should have to endure. This place is a sanctuary. It is a place of friendship and love. I come here for the solace and comfort that my family has here for me. That has been defiled this morning and I am hurt. I am truly hurt. I going now. PLEASE find some time to consider my words. PLEASE find a moment to come together. I love you all. Good Bye.
Looks like he is much better with the first two than with the third... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, January 17, 2009 7:28:05 AM)
spapad wrote:
Michael, he has hobbies: Masterbation, fantasizing, and learning hwo 2 tpye! LOL
spapad wrote:
You attack Vail?.........For answering a question to Guid? You are a really piece of shit you moron. Go to hell you son of a woman who walked around with a mattress strapped to her back in her reproductive years!
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
I take it you must be just like skankpud! You respect her so you must be! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
HAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a matter of fact, I am sitting here in her hospital room as we speak!! They are currently doing an ultra-sound on her heart. What an incredible device! I can actually watch her heart pumping and the valves working and all! WOW!! Amazing!
Looks like I will be here a while so I plan to stay online and chat with whomever is here!!
He did? What a dumbass. I mean, if you mean to troll, stalk and the like, then you might as well not say where you live.
Well, its friday, so I get to go home earlier. I will see you later! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, January 16, 2009 5:18:24 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I have a degree in compuer science, worked for years as a programmer and build them in my spare time. Currently I set up and run a network as part of my job. Thus, I am what one would consider a bonafied and admitted computer nerd. All but a couple of keystrokes to get most of what I know but, even easier, I am a perceptive reader. He said all of this before. Even gave his address wanting to fight his online enemies! LOL!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, the percieved anonimity of internet does that, I suppose. You can say pretty much anything you want, without consequences. The worst that can happen is you get banned. I guess its just to big a temptation for some to resist.
I wonder, tho, how did you get so much personal information about him?
guidogodoy wrote:
Honestly? I know he'll have another meltdown when he stops taking his meds but he already is ever so sly as to have created at least two more accounts. One he hasn't used all that much but he is too dumb to know that it is exactly as Freeze said. All computers leaves "footprints" (as if his poor command of the English language didn't) that are easy to track. I say, a few more outbursts / attacks on Spapad and he is a goner no matter how many new identities he creates. IP ban and goodbye.
Personally, I am more interested in the human side of this all. Why would one come to a site where you clearly portray yourself as an illiterate ass, tell everyone to go to hell, get banned and continue to make new accounts with the apparent sole intent to flame the community and one who clearly doesn't like you? I could imagine it were this person young but a fifty something married carpenter? Just boggles the mind.
_strat_ wrote:
Opposable thumb? Ok, I get it now... Its the first time, tho, that I see that the word "digit" can mean "finger".
Now, what do you think... How long till this account gets banned?
guidogodoy wrote:
OpposAble digits.....it MUST be there. Try again.
It is what separates us from lesser primates (like Norman!)
_strat_ wrote:
Opposible digits?!?! Damn you too! What in the world is that? This time, even wikipedia doesnt know!
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, saying that you are more eloquent than that freakin' hairy monkey of an imbecile probably isn't the greatest of ego-boosters. HAAAA!!! After all, you seem to have evolved into learning how to work your opposible digits.
_strat_ wrote:
Now come on, dont inflate my ego too much... Or you may wish you hadnt.
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry, my friend. Just caught up in the emotion! Plus, it is 4:30am here! LOL!!
Take it as follow-up to your ever-so-eloquent commets. BTW, as long as we are on the subject, I second Freeze's comments in that your English is WONDERFUL! Probably better than mine when I was your age which, in itself, is sad as I live in the US! LOL!!
Then again, so does Norman (his real name, sadly, IS Glenn!) !! Not saying much, I guess.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey! Quote him next time!Im innocent, I swear!
guidogodoy wrote:
What a TROLL!!
What does you wife think of all this public declaration of love, eh Glenn (sad that you share the name of someone I actuallly admire)? I am honestly curious as you seem to like to post your imaginary love life out in public and I really want to know the REAL you. Who gets to keep the dogs when you two split?
Was it pure coincidence that Spapad chooses to post for the first time in days and suddenly you feel the need to saturate the board with posts declaring your true love for her? Oh gosh, I'd almost come close to maybe believing you were you not banned once for your disgusting mysoginystic posts against her before.
Take a hint. Even if we can't see the pics you have posted time and again (sweep the leg, Danielson....good to know) I predict a restraining order in your immediate future.
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning Big Jack, War Machine, ect. Maybe its better that we cant see whats on the pic, but in any case, you have another report.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Susan and i had a great time,sorry about knee surgey or i would of been there for x-mas,Valentines day will be awsome!
Well, the percieved anonimity of internet does that, I suppose. You can say pretty much anything you want, without consequences. The worst that can happen is you get banned. I guess its just to big a temptation for some to resist.
I wonder, tho, how did you get so much personal information about him? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, January 16, 2009 5:03:54 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Honestly? I know he'll have another meltdown when he stops taking his meds but he already is ever so sly as to have created at least two more accounts. One he hasn't used all that much but he is too dumb to know that it is exactly as Freeze said. All computers leaves "footprints" (as if his poor command of the English language didn't) that are easy to track. I say, a few more outbursts / attacks on Spapad and he is a goner no matter how many new identities he creates. IP ban and goodbye.
Personally, I am more interested in the human side of this all. Why would one come to a site where you clearly portray yourself as an illiterate ass, tell everyone to go to hell, get banned and continue to make new accounts with the apparent sole intent to flame the community and one who clearly doesn't like you? I could imagine it were this person young but a fifty something married carpenter? Just boggles the mind.
_strat_ wrote:
Opposable thumb? Ok, I get it now... Its the first time, tho, that I see that the word "digit" can mean "finger".
Now, what do you think... How long till this account gets banned?
guidogodoy wrote:
OpposAble digits.....it MUST be there. Try again.
It is what separates us from lesser primates (like Norman!)
_strat_ wrote:
Opposible digits?!?! Damn you too! What in the world is that? This time, even wikipedia doesnt know!
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, saying that you are more eloquent than that freakin' hairy monkey of an imbecile probably isn't the greatest of ego-boosters. HAAAA!!! After all, you seem to have evolved into learning how to work your opposible digits.
_strat_ wrote:
Now come on, dont inflate my ego too much... Or you may wish you hadnt.
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry, my friend. Just caught up in the emotion! Plus, it is 4:30am here! LOL!!
Take it as follow-up to your ever-so-eloquent commets. BTW, as long as we are on the subject, I second Freeze's comments in that your English is WONDERFUL! Probably better than mine when I was your age which, in itself, is sad as I live in the US! LOL!!
Then again, so does Norman (his real name, sadly, IS Glenn!) !! Not saying much, I guess.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey! Quote him next time!Im innocent, I swear!
guidogodoy wrote:
What a TROLL!!
What does you wife think of all this public declaration of love, eh Glenn (sad that you share the name of someone I actuallly admire)? I am honestly curious as you seem to like to post your imaginary love life out in public and I really want to know the REAL you. Who gets to keep the dogs when you two split?
Was it pure coincidence that Spapad chooses to post for the first time in days and suddenly you feel the need to saturate the board with posts declaring your true love for her? Oh gosh, I'd almost come close to maybe believing you were you not banned once for your disgusting mysoginystic posts against her before.
Take a hint. Even if we can't see the pics you have posted time and again (sweep the leg, Danielson....good to know) I predict a restraining order in your immediate future.
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning Big Jack, War Machine, ect. Maybe its better that we cant see whats on the pic, but in any case, you have another report.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Susan and i had a great time,sorry about knee surgey or i would of been there for x-mas,Valentines day will be awsome!
Opposable thumb? Ok, I get it now... Its the first time, tho, that I see that the word "digit" can mean "finger".
Now, what do you think... How long till this account gets banned? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, January 16, 2009 4:40:39 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
OpposAble digits.....it MUST be there. Try again.
It is what separates us from lesser primates (like Norman!)
_strat_ wrote:
Opposible digits?!?! Damn you too! What in the world is that? This time, even wikipedia doesnt know!
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, saying that you are more eloquent than that freakin' hairy monkey of an imbecile probably isn't the greatest of ego-boosters. HAAAA!!! After all, you seem to have evolved into learning how to work your opposible digits.
_strat_ wrote:
Now come on, dont inflate my ego too much... Or you may wish you hadnt.
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry, my friend. Just caught up in the emotion! Plus, it is 4:30am here! LOL!!
Take it as follow-up to your ever-so-eloquent commets. BTW, as long as we are on the subject, I second Freeze's comments in that your English is WONDERFUL! Probably better than mine when I was your age which, in itself, is sad as I live in the US! LOL!!
Then again, so does Norman (his real name, sadly, IS Glenn!) !! Not saying much, I guess.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey! Quote him next time!Im innocent, I swear!
guidogodoy wrote:
What a TROLL!!
What does you wife think of all this public declaration of love, eh Glenn (sad that you share the name of someone I actuallly admire)? I am honestly curious as you seem to like to post your imaginary love life out in public and I really want to know the REAL you. Who gets to keep the dogs when you two split?
Was it pure coincidence that Spapad chooses to post for the first time in days and suddenly you feel the need to saturate the board with posts declaring your true love for her? Oh gosh, I'd almost come close to maybe believing you were you not banned once for your disgusting mysoginystic posts against her before.
Take a hint. Even if we can't see the pics you have posted time and again (sweep the leg, Danielson....good to know) I predict a restraining order in your immediate future.
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning Big Jack, War Machine, ect. Maybe its better that we cant see whats on the pic, but in any case, you have another report.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Susan and i had a great time,sorry about knee surgey or i would of been there for x-mas,Valentines day will be awsome!
Opposible digits?!?! Damn you too! What in the world is that? This time, even wikipedia doesnt know! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, January 16, 2009 4:34:41 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Well, saying that you are more eloquent than that freakin' hairy monkey of an imbecile probably isn't the greatest of ego-boosters. HAAAA!!! After all, you seem to have evolved into learning how to work your opposible digits.
_strat_ wrote:
Now come on, dont inflate my ego too much... Or you may wish you hadnt.
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry, my friend. Just caught up in the emotion! Plus, it is 4:30am here! LOL!!
Take it as follow-up to your ever-so-eloquent commets. BTW, as long as we are on the subject, I second Freeze's comments in that your English is WONDERFUL! Probably better than mine when I was your age which, in itself, is sad as I live in the US! LOL!!
Then again, so does Norman (his real name, sadly, IS Glenn!) !! Not saying much, I guess.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey! Quote him next time!Im innocent, I swear!
guidogodoy wrote:
What a TROLL!!
What does you wife think of all this public declaration of love, eh Glenn (sad that you share the name of someone I actuallly admire)? I am honestly curious as you seem to like to post your imaginary love life out in public and I really want to know the REAL you. Who gets to keep the dogs when you two split?
Was it pure coincidence that Spapad chooses to post for the first time in days and suddenly you feel the need to saturate the board with posts declaring your true love for her? Oh gosh, I'd almost come close to maybe believing you were you not banned once for your disgusting mysoginystic posts against her before.
Take a hint. Even if we can't see the pics you have posted time and again (sweep the leg, Danielson....good to know) I predict a restraining order in your immediate future.
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning Big Jack, War Machine, ect. Maybe its better that we cant see whats on the pic, but in any case, you have another report.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Susan and i had a great time,sorry about knee surgey or i would of been there for x-mas,Valentines day will be awsome!
Yeah, thats pretty much it. Mindless nationalism and religious extremism at its best.
I guess that the creation of Israel back in 1947 was the original sinn... But that was long ago, letting it get destroyed today wont set that wrong aright.
sure blame is plentifull, solutions not so.
the problem with one side eliminating the other is both can be replenished from kids overseas.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, Hamas are freaks, that is true, but Israel cannot be completely absolved of guilt either. Gaza has been a prison for 1,5 million Palestinians for decades, and even in the best of times they had shortages of basic neccesities. Not to mention that Israels army is one of the most technologicaly advanced in the world. Im sure that if they would give a shit they wouldnt cause so many civilian casualties. Infact, they may deliberatly be causing so much, to scare Hamas into submission.
In any case, I think that the only solution would be to physicaly separate them. A NATO or an UN mission, whatever, with serious numbers, weapons and authorisation, that would keep them apart for long enugh (which would be decades) to cool them off. Failing that, pull everything out, and wait till one side eliminates the other.
Head banger wrote:
this shit will keep going on, untill either the world ends, all sids give up religion, or isreal moves and colonizes a new star system.
I see no hope, the hamas terorists will keep this up, and dont care if they or the kids they hide behind die. Isreal will fight back. it goes on. if, anyone was serious about a ceasefire that was meaningfull, they could agree to share that area, but the hate runs too deep.
Now come on, dont inflate my ego too much... Or you may wish you hadnt. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, January 16, 2009 4:24:17 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Sorry, my friend. Just caught up in the emotion! Plus, it is 4:30am here! LOL!!
Take it as follow-up to your ever-so-eloquent commets. BTW, as long as we are on the subject, I second Freeze's comments in that your English is WONDERFUL! Probably better than mine when I was your age which, in itself, is sad as I live in the US! LOL!!
Then again, so does Norman (his real name, sadly, IS Glenn!) !! Not saying much, I guess.
_strat_ wrote:
Hey! Quote him next time!Im innocent, I swear!
guidogodoy wrote:
What a TROLL!!
What does you wife think of all this public declaration of love, eh Glenn (sad that you share the name of someone I actuallly admire)? I am honestly curious as you seem to like to post your imaginary love life out in public and I really want to know the REAL you. Who gets to keep the dogs when you two split?
Was it pure coincidence that Spapad chooses to post for the first time in days and suddenly you feel the need to saturate the board with posts declaring your true love for her? Oh gosh, I'd almost come close to maybe believing you were you not banned once for your disgusting mysoginystic posts against her before.
Take a hint. Even if we can't see the pics you have posted time and again (sweep the leg, Danielson....good to know) I predict a restraining order in your immediate future.
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning Big Jack, War Machine, ect. Maybe its better that we cant see whats on the pic, but in any case, you have another report.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Susan and i had a great time,sorry about knee surgey or i would of been there for x-mas,Valentines day will be awsome!
What does you wife think of all this public declaration of love, eh Glenn (sad that you share the name of someone I actuallly admire)? I am honestly curious as you seem to like to post your imaginary love life out in public and I really want to know the REAL you. Who gets to keep the dogs when you two split?
Was it pure coincidence that Spapad chooses to post for the first time in days and suddenly you feel the need to saturate the board with posts declaring your true love for her? Oh gosh, I'd almost come close to maybe believing you were you not banned once for your disgusting mysoginystic posts against her before.
Take a hint. Even if we can't see the pics you have posted time and again (sweep the leg, Danielson....good to know) I predict a restraining order in your immediate future.
_strat_ wrote:
Good morning Big Jack, War Machine, ect. Maybe its better that we cant see whats on the pic, but in any case, you have another report.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Susan and i had a great time,sorry about knee surgey or i would of been there for x-mas,Valentines day will be awsome!
He hasnt been to no show. He probably hasnt been outside his mothers basement for years. That message of his was pure trolling. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by mgdman from Friday, January 16, 2009 1:39:47 AM)
mgdman wrote:
Great to hear the show was good! Did they play
enough from the new cd? All the great old stuff?
would love to see them but short on $$. maybe next
time if they tour again.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Awsome album,were great this tour!
mgdman wrote:
I agree joe! This is a great cd from the first track Rock-n-Roll Train to
War Machine, Decibel, Money Made and the title track Black Ice it has
all the types of blues rock, fast and slower that you would expect from them.
I too, hope this is not there last effort. If so it is a great album to end on!
Keep on rockin'
joedraper wrote:
I really like this album. I think it's packaged fantastically (as are most AC/DC albums) They've stuck to their original formula yet still manage to sound fresh at the same time?
I think this is wonderful and I hope that they do not make this their final studio album but if they do, what a way to bow out huh? I think that Phil Rudd's simplistic drumming is so in sync with Cliff William's bass playing and what can anyone say about the Young brothers that hasn't already been said? They sound great and this album was so worth the wait as well as the hype created around it.
Good morning Big Jack, War Machine, ect. Maybe its better that we cant see whats on the pic, but in any case, you have another report. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Friday, January 16, 2009 12:16:40 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Susan and i had a great time,sorry about knee surgey or i would of been there for x-mas,Valentines day will be awsome!
Well, Hamas are freaks, that is true, but Israel cannot be completely absolved of guilt either. Gaza has been a prison for 1,5 million Palestinians for decades, and even in the best of times they had shortages of basic neccesities. Not to mention that Israels army is one of the most technologicaly advanced in the world. Im sure that if they would give a shit they wouldnt cause so many civilian casualties. Infact, they may deliberatly be causing so much, to scare Hamas into submission.
In any case, I think that the only solution would be to physicaly separate them. A NATO or an UN mission, whatever, with serious numbers, weapons and authorisation, that would keep them apart for long enugh (which would be decades) to cool them off. Failing that, pull everything out, and wait till one side eliminates the other. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:40:03 AM)
Head banger wrote:
this shit will keep going on, untill either the world ends, all sids give up religion, or isreal moves and colonizes a new star system.
I see no hope, the hamas terorists will keep this up, and dont care if they or the kids they hide behind die. Isreal will fight back. it goes on. if, anyone was serious about a ceasefire that was meaningfull, they could agree to share that area, but the hate runs too deep.
Ah. So, were lost. Well, my first association was some sort of a plant, but I think that I see an eyeball at the bottom. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, January 15, 2009 6:29:56 AM)
Head banger wrote:
sorry, I dont know anymore. I was told it was a real photo, no photoshop. after that I ave no idea
_strat_ wrote:
Neither do I. Come on, a serious hint, if you would?
Head banger wrote:
avoca beach. dunno where that is
devils_child wrote:
which part of Australia?
Head banger wrote:
so, quiz of the day, whats this? hint, it was found on a beach in australia
(I hope this isnt another Nostradamus thread... We sure had our share of those)
In any case, I agree, youtube is a treasure. Its where I first heard some of my favourite musicians, like Rory Gallagher, R.J. DIO, Ozzys solo stuff, Rhapsody... ect. Great stuff, because you can listen a "demo", a few singles from most albums out there, and then chose what to buy, without just grabbing a random CD from a band you heard from somebody else is great...
And of course, if it wasnt for youtube, work would be a lot more boring.
Deep dish? Doesnt that come out more like a lasagna than a pizza?
In any case, a normal, flat pizza with lots of cheese and ham (or some prosciuto)... THAT is the best thing that was ever invented. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 14, 2009 9:27:01 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Free pistol?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, it is to die for!! HAHAHHAAA!!!! It is actually Sicilian. Deep dish and square. Absolutely awesome. The guy that owns the place is a Detroit native. Has everything Detroit splattered all over the place! The crust is more like pastry than pizza dough! It is just incredible. I ate FIVE pieces!! FIVE!!! By Satan's beard, I am stuffed and in agony but....OH...SOOO....GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Detroit style pizza? What the heck is THAT? I have honestly never heard of it. Chicago style, sure, but Detroit?
Does it come with a free pistol?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Afternoon all! AAAAARRRRRGGGGHHH!!!! What a freakin day! I have been running around town like a friggin lunatic most of the day trying to get paperwork for the dealership on this stupid new car!! **Grrrrrrrrrrrrr* I swear I should have just paid cash for a different vehicle and been done with it!
Anyway, I see there is not much happening as usual. Good to see MM here, albeit for a brief moment. I agree with you, MM! This awards and Hall of Fame voters are nimrods. Well, it appears that I have very little energy remaining and I will be ordering pizza! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Northside Nathan's! the best Detroit style pizza in Vegas!! (that's right, guido! Detroit!!!!!) SOOOOOOOOO good! I do hope you all have a great evening!
Ok, has anyone been following the latest Gaza shit? As far as Im concerned, there really isnt a matter where I could "take sides" or so to speak... Israel went in and started killing everything that breathes in a city that has been under siege from Israel for decades... On the other hand, Hamas did start this one, and they are religious freaks as well (Mohammad freaks?).
LOL!!! Doh Boi... I wonder if hes even old enough to smoke? He looks like how I imagine the n00bs on multiplayer servers that go "WTF?!?!1 Hax!11!!" every time you kill them...
Oh, and who the fuck are the freaks on the bottom pic? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:58:20 AM)
devils_child wrote:
LOL.... I went hunting for cheesy album covers... .enjoy
I wanna know exactly what drugs these people are on when they come up with the concept for their album covers... seriously...
Well, whats the use now? The damage has been done. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by SkyRideR from Wednesday, January 14, 2009 12:57:17 PM)
Bah, he is harmless in any state. I must say, tho, that I kinda miss him. There is something in deciphering that nonsensical babble and finding an idiot jewel below... Shit, Im getting a bit poetic. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:21:55 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
The way I see it, he is completely harmless in his current state. He's like those dorks that try to start crap by saying "Ripper is better than Rob" or some other nonsense. As long as he stays in his corner and remains relatively insignificant, he can stay. As soon as he steps out of line and acts like a bonehead, Murray will act.
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!, Yeah, I cant wait till he loses it... Its usualy very amusing.
But the affair with Guido did stir up a lot of shit, and Im sure he got reported a lot. Maybe it will be sooner than we think?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Mainly because he is keeping a "low profile". He makes a comment here or there but does not do anything that will draw Murray's attention...yet. Calling guido a loser will not be enough. Of course, it is only a matter of time before he has a meltdown and says something idiotic. That is when Murray will toss him into the wastecan. At this time, I find it incredibly entertaining to watch him make a fool of himself.
Yup, thats right, Ive got absolutely nothing better to do!
Oh, and yes, six-seven seems to be the norm with them... Until they get banned. That said... Im wondering, why hasnt the latest mental case been banned yet?
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Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! (Oo, watch out! There's a HA) Good point! Unfortunately, they will never get past six or seven!! ��
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_strat_ wrote:
Oh, they have friends allright... They have so many accounts, they just add themselves! ��
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Deep Freeze wrote:
VERY well said and done by all!! I cannot say it enough; any loser can ignore but the number that really matters is Friends. It is an inescapable fact that each and every one of these troublemaking morons have very little (if any)�Friends on their profile, and quite likely in their daily lives. Interesting and remarkably telling, isn't it?
Ok, I can tell that it isnt a kangaroo, or an AC/DC member... Any more hints? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:26:44 AM)
Head banger wrote:
so, quiz of the day, whats this? hint, it was found on a beach in australia
LOL!, Yeah, I cant wait till he loses it... Its usualy very amusing.
But the affair with Guido did stir up a lot of shit, and Im sure he got reported a lot. Maybe it will be sooner than we think? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:38:47 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Mainly because he is keeping a "low profile". He makes a comment here or there but does not do anything that will draw Murray's attention...yet. Calling guido a loser will not be enough. Of course, it is only a matter of time before he has a meltdown and says something idiotic. That is when Murray will toss him into the wastecan. At this time, I find it incredibly entertaining to watch him make a fool of himself.
Yup, thats right, Ive got absolutely nothing better to do!
Oh, and yes, six-seven seems to be the norm with them... Until they get banned. That said... Im wondering, why hasnt the latest mental case been banned yet?
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Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! (Oo, watch out! There's a HA) Good point! Unfortunately, they will never get past six or seven!! ��
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_strat_ wrote:
Oh, they have friends allright... They have so many accounts, they just add themselves! ��
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Deep Freeze wrote:
VERY well said and done by all!! I cannot say it enough; any loser can ignore but the number that really matters is Friends. It is an inescapable fact that each and every one of these troublemaking morons have very little (if any)�Friends on their profile, and quite likely in their daily lives. Interesting and remarkably telling, isn't it?
Oh, for fucks sake... It was supposed to be "LOL!" written out in HAs... For some reason it wont appear right in the posted message.... Well, fuck it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:33:10 AM)
Yup, thats right, Ive got absolutely nothing better to do!
Oh, and yes, six-seven seems to be the norm with them... Until they get banned. That said... Im wondering, why hasnt the latest mental case been banned yet?
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Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! (Oo, watch out! There's a HA) Good point! Unfortunately, they will never get past six or seven!! ��
�
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, they have friends allright... They have so many accounts, they just add themselves! ��
�
Deep Freeze wrote:
VERY well said and done by all!! I cannot say it enough; any loser can ignore but the number that really matters is Friends. It is an inescapable fact that each and every one of these troublemaking morons have very little (if any)�Friends on their profile, and quite likely in their daily lives. Interesting and remarkably telling, isn't it?
Yup, thats right, Ive got absolutely nothing better to do!
Oh, and yes, six-seven seems to be the norm with them... Until they get banned. That said... Im wondering, why hasnt the latest mental case been banned yet?
HA!!!!!!!!!! (Oo, watch out! There's a HA) Good point! Unfortunately, they will never get past six or seven!! ��
�
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, they have friends allright... They have so many accounts, they just add themselves! ��
�
Deep Freeze wrote:
VERY well said and done by all!! I cannot say it enough; any loser can ignore but the number that really matters is Friends. It is an inescapable fact that each and every one of these troublemaking morons have very little (if any)�Friends on their profile, and quite likely in their daily lives. Interesting and remarkably telling, isn't it?
Oh, they have friends allright... They have so many accounts, they just add themselves! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 14, 2009 6:15:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
VERY well said and done by all!! I cannot say it enough; any loser can ignore but the number that really matters is Friends. It is an inescapable fact that each and every one of these troublemaking morons have very little (if any) Friends on their profile, and quite likely in their daily lives. Interesting and remarkably telling, isn't it?
Wow, man, you talk in rhyme! I wish I could do that all the time... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, January 14, 2009 3:57:15 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I agree with strat 100%. Nothing better than a TRUE Metal fan. Easy to tell & added as well (was a poet and didn't ... realize it).
Well, Ive added you as friend, so thats at least one ignore equaled out... As for what to do, just continue being a normal, decent member, and people will add you. Hell, we get only so much good members, and we will welcome everyone. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by lalouve from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:51:48 AM)
lalouve wrote:
Well, it looks like a lot of us are strangely hit with "ignores". Had 2 of them a couple of days ago, after beeing away from the site for a couple of months, and all I had done was congratulate Ron and wrote one word in the word game! pfffffff..... I wonder howmany "ignores" I'm gonna get today ..... as it had happened to me once already a long time ago, with one "ignore" after having simply said hello on the board.....
I guess the only thing to do is Keep Smiling!
No, I can assure you they arent... But then again, Im a "drug burned out head"... Or something like that.
In any case, be very carefull when reading Freezes messages. An unsuspecting reader can quickly become a victim of random "HA!!!!!!"s, correct spelling and refraining from using swear words. Aproach with caution!
Anyway... Id love to stay and chat, but its over midnight here, and I have to say good night. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:06:14 PM)
adrianaec_88 wrote:
well strat, maybe his perverted geeky fantasies are true anyway HAAAAAA!!! (ok, reading to many Freeze post make you do that lol)
_strat_ wrote:
Im not fluent in Idiot, but I do think he thinks Im a girl! Maybe he thinks he just got a cyber-girlfriend... Dang, I almost dont have the heart to tell him that his perverted geeky fantasies arent true!
Deep Freeze wrote:
OOOOKAAAAAYYYYYY... Since it appears that you are so fond of "straight" records (haven't we heard this one before?), perhaps it is best that we address this and try to find a solution?
"Burned out drug heads?" An interesting insult. I will assume (in keeping a straight record) that you are completely sure you are speaking to drug users? Perhaps your PhD in substance abuse and psychology is at work in this instance?
you girl must be one hell of a catch thrown back lol I am not even sure what that means! So, in an effort to continue with a record that is linear, I will reserve comment, although your parents clearly must have spent hundreds on your education!
No need to argue with people who live on a typewriter,and think its reality bye ,bye Forgive me for pointing out the obvious but, you are arguing with them. And, again, I ask how you know that these people believe this is, or is not, reality? In fact, how is this not real? Just curious. And again, your sentence structure and coherent use of English are impressive! You must be a scream in person.
Murray has removed losers from the site without a profane word uttered. To actually believe that you must be "offensive" in language is a fallacy, although offensive is a relative term. You may be surprised to find that Murray has a different view offensive AND he is able to express that view in an understandable fashion.
you people are the only offensive thing here,no mature in you at all This may be the only thing you wrote that can be partially understood by a normal human being, even if your structure is (as usual) horrendous. Perhaps "no maturity" would be more appropriate? I am not sure since I cannot really understand your juvenile attempt to communicate AND I certainly would not want to create a "bend" in your straight record.
If you choose to be among us, that is great. If you wish to be a participating member, that is as well. When you choose to attack a long time, respected member of this Board, you should realize that it will not go without comment. I would suggest that, if you do decide to stay here, you buy a dictionary and pay attention in your English class. If I am wrong about you in this regard, perhaps it is you that should lay off the drugs when you attempt to write?
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:04:30 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Thought i would reply to some of these response of drug burned out heads,you can only ignore ,once you girl must be one hell of a catch thrown back lol! No need to argue with people who live on a typewriter,and think its reality bye ,bye to get me kicked off i must write offensive things you people are the only offensive thing here,no mature in you at all!!!!! And a woman with a mouth like yours i have no respect! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:31:59 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I realise that you are ignoring me (and theres your answer to Guidos 40 ignores - half of them are from you, Im sure), but maybe you will read it all the same...
You do have to defend yourself if you want to stay here, and you will have to do a bloody good job at it too - you wouldnt be the first asshole that got banned from here. And no, we dont follow Guidos lead. I reported your previous message because I saw you attacking Guido, and if you do it again (to Guido or anyone else), I and many other members will report that too. So, either pull your head out of your ass and start being a normal member instead of a shitdisturber, or go before you get banned for good.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Not that i need to defend myself,just to keep the record Straight he started with me,and i see 40 people ignore him to if he would leave me alone i will do the same, but he is like the pied piper everybody follows his lead,follow time and posts and give someone credit where it due and and you will see ive not bothered anyone!
Deep Freeze wrote:
My dear young man (woman?), I should think that your behavior here would be a bit more arrested given that you have spent so little time among our group (or have you?). Further, to even suggest that a well respected member be spoken to in such a manner only leads one to believe that your time with us will be even shorter than expected. I can assure you, if guido says you are one of multiple identities you are. How you conduct yourself under this particular moniker will certainly tell us a lot about you and your intentions. You have yet another opportunity to be a decent, contributing member. Clearly, you have not started off well.
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
Edited at: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:22:30 AM
Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:07:30 AM
Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:12:22 AM Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:32:16 AM
LOL!! Like you could remove a bra! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 3:16:15 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Adriana hit my personal favorite to date. That I both look like the loser that I am and that it isn't me. Yeah, I search the internet to find the same guy with a JP cross and steal his pictures to post here because he is obviously not a Priest fan! No wait, perhaps I have a green screen background and get some stranger to pose in front of it with all sorts of different backgrounds? HAAAA!!!!!!!
Man, I'd go on if it weren't so sad and easy. I think I have my bets placed for "LOWER class twit of the year!" Ready, steady, GO!
_strat_ wrote:
Im not fluent in Idiot, but I do think he thinks Im a girl! Maybe he thinks he just got a cyber-girlfriend... Dang, I almost dont have the heart to tell him that his perverted geeky fantasies arent true!
Deep Freeze wrote:
OOOOKAAAAAYYYYYY... Since it appears that you are so fond of "straight" records (haven't we heard this one before?), perhaps it is best that we address this and try to find a solution?
"Burned out drug heads?" An interesting insult. I will assume (in keeping a straight record) that you are completely sure you are speaking to drug users? Perhaps your PhD in substance abuse and psychology is at work in this instance?
you girl must be one hell of a catch thrown back lol I am not even sure what that means! So, in an effort to continue with a record that is linear, I will reserve comment, although your parents clearly must have spent hundreds on your education!
No need to argue with people who live on a typewriter,and think its reality bye ,bye Forgive me for pointing out the obvious but, you are arguing with them. And, again, I ask how you know that these people believe this is, or is not, reality? In fact, how is this not real? Just curious. And again, your sentence structure and coherent use of English are impressive! You must be a scream in person.
Murray has removed losers from the site without a profane word uttered. To actually believe that you must be "offensive" in language is a fallacy, although offensive is a relative term. You may be surprised to find that Murray has a different view offensive AND he is able to express that view in an understandable fashion.
you people are the only offensive thing here,no mature in you at all This may be the only thing you wrote that can be partially understood by a normal human being, even if your structure is (as usual) horrendous. Perhaps "no maturity" would be more appropriate? I am not sure since I cannot really understand your juvenile attempt to communicate AND I certainly would not want to create a "bend" in your straight record.
If you choose to be among us, that is great. If you wish to be a participating member, that is as well. When you choose to attack a long time, respected member of this Board, you should realize that it will not go without comment. I would suggest that, if you do decide to stay here, you buy a dictionary and pay attention in your English class. If I am wrong about you in this regard, perhaps it is you that should lay off the drugs when you attempt to write?
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:04:30 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Thought i would reply to some of these response of drug burned out heads,you can only ignore ,once you girl must be one hell of a catch thrown back lol! No need to argue with people who live on a typewriter,and think its reality bye ,bye to get me kicked off i must write offensive things you people are the only offensive thing here,no mature in you at all!!!!! And a woman with a mouth like yours i have no respect! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:31:59 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I realise that you are ignoring me (and theres your answer to Guidos 40 ignores - half of them are from you, Im sure), but maybe you will read it all the same...
You do have to defend yourself if you want to stay here, and you will have to do a bloody good job at it too - you wouldnt be the first asshole that got banned from here. And no, we dont follow Guidos lead. I reported your previous message because I saw you attacking Guido, and if you do it again (to Guido or anyone else), I and many other members will report that too. So, either pull your head out of your ass and start being a normal member instead of a shitdisturber, or go before you get banned for good.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Not that i need to defend myself,just to keep the record Straight he started with me,and i see 40 people ignore him to if he would leave me alone i will do the same, but he is like the pied piper everybody follows his lead,follow time and posts and give someone credit where it due and and you will see ive not bothered anyone!
Deep Freeze wrote:
My dear young man (woman?), I should think that your behavior here would be a bit more arrested given that you have spent so little time among our group (or have you?). Further, to even suggest that a well respected member be spoken to in such a manner only leads one to believe that your time with us will be even shorter than expected. I can assure you, if guido says you are one of multiple identities you are. How you conduct yourself under this particular moniker will certainly tell us a lot about you and your intentions. You have yet another opportunity to be a decent, contributing member. Clearly, you have not started off well.
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
Edited at: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:22:30 AM
Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:07:30 AM
Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:12:22 AM Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:32:16 AM
Im not fluent in Idiot, but I do think he thinks Im a girl! Maybe he thinks he just got a cyber-girlfriend... Dang, I almost dont have the heart to tell him that his perverted geeky fantasies arent true!
OOOOKAAAAAYYYYYY... Since it appears that you are so fond of "straight" records (haven't we heard this one before?), perhaps it is best that we address this and try to find a solution?
"Burned out drug heads?" An interesting insult. I will assume (in keeping a straight record) that you are completely sure you are speaking to drug users? Perhaps your PhD in substance abuse and psychology is at work in this instance?
you girl must be one hell of a catch thrown back lol I am not even sure what that means! So, in an effort to continue with a record that is linear, I will reserve comment, although your parents clearly must have spent hundreds on your education!
No need to argue with people who live on a typewriter,and think its reality bye ,bye Forgive me for pointing out the obvious but, you are arguing with them. And, again, I ask how you know that these people believe this is, or is not, reality? In fact, how is this not real? Just curious. And again, your sentence structure and coherent use of English are impressive! You must be a scream in person.
Murray has removed losers from the site without a profane word uttered. To actually believe that you must be "offensive" in language is a fallacy, although offensive is a relative term. You may be surprised to find that Murray has a different view offensive AND he is able to express that view in an understandable fashion.
you people are the only offensive thing here,no mature in you at all This may be the only thing you wrote that can be partially understood by a normal human being, even if your structure is (as usual) horrendous. Perhaps "no maturity" would be more appropriate? I am not sure since I cannot really understand your juvenile attempt to communicate AND I certainly would not want to create a "bend" in your straight record.
If you choose to be among us, that is great. If you wish to be a participating member, that is as well. When you choose to attack a long time, respected member of this Board, you should realize that it will not go without comment. I would suggest that, if you do decide to stay here, you buy a dictionary and pay attention in your English class. If I am wrong about you in this regard, perhaps it is you that should lay off the drugs when you attempt to write?
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:04:30 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Thought i would reply to some of these response of drug burned out heads,you can only ignore ,once you girl must be one hell of a catch thrown back lol! No need to argue with people who live on a typewriter,and think its reality bye ,bye to get me kicked off i must write offensive things you people are the only offensive thing here,no mature in you at all!!!!! And a woman with a mouth like yours i have no respect! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:31:59 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I realise that you are ignoring me (and theres your answer to Guidos 40 ignores - half of them are from you, Im sure), but maybe you will read it all the same...
You do have to defend yourself if you want to stay here, and you will have to do a bloody good job at it too - you wouldnt be the first asshole that got banned from here. And no, we dont follow Guidos lead. I reported your previous message because I saw you attacking Guido, and if you do it again (to Guido or anyone else), I and many other members will report that too. So, either pull your head out of your ass and start being a normal member instead of a shitdisturber, or go before you get banned for good.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Not that i need to defend myself,just to keep the record Straight he started with me,and i see 40 people ignore him to if he would leave me alone i will do the same, but he is like the pied piper everybody follows his lead,follow time and posts and give someone credit where it due and and you will see ive not bothered anyone!
Deep Freeze wrote:
My dear young man (woman?), I should think that your behavior here would be a bit more arrested given that you have spent so little time among our group (or have you?). Further, to even suggest that a well respected member be spoken to in such a manner only leads one to believe that your time with us will be even shorter than expected. I can assure you, if guido says you are one of multiple identities you are. How you conduct yourself under this particular moniker will certainly tell us a lot about you and your intentions. You have yet another opportunity to be a decent, contributing member. Clearly, you have not started off well.
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
Edited at: Monday, January 12, 2009 8:22:30 AM
Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:07:30 AM
Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:12:22 AM Edited at: Tuesday, January 13, 2009 11:32:16 AM
And its kinda disturbing... The driving force behind Priest... You dont think its K.K., do you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:20:09 AM)
Head banger wrote:
oh, come on, we all know that this guy is the driving force behind priest, knows all and does all. just ask him.
your special too. in your own way.
_strat_ wrote:
What? You like him more than me???
Head banger wrote:
nah, from its not the same, its the real important people like dreamer....
_strat_ wrote:
I can give you one...If you ask politely.
Head banger wrote:
you bastard!!! you gave guido 40 ignores!!! I only have 29. where are my ignores!!!!
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Not that i need to defend myself,just to keep the record Straight he started with me,and i see 40 people ignore him to if he would leave me alone i will do the same, but he is like the pied piper everybody follows his lead,follow time and posts and give someone credit where it due and and you will see ive not bothered anyone!
Deep Freeze wrote:
My dear young man (woman?), I should think that your behavior here would be a bit more arrested given that you have spent so little time among our group (or have you?). Further, to even suggest that a well respected member be spoken to in such a manner only leads one to believe that your time with us will be even shorter than expected. I can assure you, if guido says you are one of multiple identities you are. How you conduct yourself under this particular moniker will certainly tell us a lot about you and your intentions. You have yet another opportunity to be a decent, contributing member. Clearly, you have not started off well.
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
What? You like him more than me??? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:14:00 AM)
Head banger wrote:
nah, from its not the same, its the real important people like dreamer....
_strat_ wrote:
I can give you one...If you ask politely.
Head banger wrote:
you bastard!!! you gave guido 40 ignores!!! I only have 29. where are my ignores!!!!
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Not that i need to defend myself,just to keep the record Straight he started with me,and i see 40 people ignore him to if he would leave me alone i will do the same, but he is like the pied piper everybody follows his lead,follow time and posts and give someone credit where it due and and you will see ive not bothered anyone!
Deep Freeze wrote:
My dear young man (woman?), I should think that your behavior here would be a bit more arrested given that you have spent so little time among our group (or have you?). Further, to even suggest that a well respected member be spoken to in such a manner only leads one to believe that your time with us will be even shorter than expected. I can assure you, if guido says you are one of multiple identities you are. How you conduct yourself under this particular moniker will certainly tell us a lot about you and your intentions. You have yet another opportunity to be a decent, contributing member. Clearly, you have not started off well.
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
Yup, keep getting them reports. The more the better, the sooner we will be rid of you... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 7:04:30 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Thought i would reply to some of these response of drug burned out heads,you can only ignore ,once you girl must be one hell of a catch thrown back lol! No need to argue with people who live on a typewriter,and think its reality bye ,bye to get me kicked off i must write offensive things you people are the only offensive thing here,no mature in you at all!!!!! And a woman with a mouth like yours i have no respect! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 1:31:59 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I realise that you are ignoring me (and theres your answer to Guidos 40 ignores - half of them are from you, Im sure), but maybe you will read it all the same...
You do have to defend yourself if you want to stay here, and you will have to do a bloody good job at it too - you wouldnt be the first asshole that got banned from here. And no, we dont follow Guidos lead. I reported your previous message because I saw you attacking Guido, and if you do it again (to Guido or anyone else), I and many other members will report that too. So, either pull your head out of your ass and start being a normal member instead of a shitdisturber, or go before you get banned for good.
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Not that i need to defend myself,just to keep the record Straight he started with me,and i see 40 people ignore him to if he would leave me alone i will do the same, but he is like the pied piper everybody follows his lead,follow time and posts and give someone credit where it due and and you will see ive not bothered anyone!
Deep Freeze wrote:
My dear young man (woman?), I should think that your behavior here would be a bit more arrested given that you have spent so little time among our group (or have you?). Further, to even suggest that a well respected member be spoken to in such a manner only leads one to believe that your time with us will be even shorter than expected. I can assure you, if guido says you are one of multiple identities you are. How you conduct yourself under this particular moniker will certainly tell us a lot about you and your intentions. You have yet another opportunity to be a decent, contributing member. Clearly, you have not started off well.
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
I can give you one...If you ask politely. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:43:40 AM)
Head banger wrote:
you bastard!!! you gave guido 40 ignores!!! I only have 29. where are my ignores!!!!
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Not that i need to defend myself,just to keep the record Straight he started with me,and i see 40 people ignore him to if he would leave me alone i will do the same, but he is like the pied piper everybody follows his lead,follow time and posts and give someone credit where it due and and you will see ive not bothered anyone!
Deep Freeze wrote:
My dear young man (woman?), I should think that your behavior here would be a bit more arrested given that you have spent so little time among our group (or have you?). Further, to even suggest that a well respected member be spoken to in such a manner only leads one to believe that your time with us will be even shorter than expected. I can assure you, if guido says you are one of multiple identities you are. How you conduct yourself under this particular moniker will certainly tell us a lot about you and your intentions. You have yet another opportunity to be a decent, contributing member. Clearly, you have not started off well.
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
Agreed. Its usualy not hard to tell apart good members from the bad. And the bad dont last long, thanks to the magic "report offensive message" button... Tho lately Im using it much more than I would want to.
Btw. We seem to be talking about internet abusers and throwing cats out of windows at the same time... Well, we seem to be doing it rather well! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 5:06:19 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Unfortunately, for all the cool Priest fans we have here, there are always those few who have nothing better to do than to be idiots who just can't seem to get along with others. What I take comfort in is that I know (pretty much) who the good 'core' people on this site are and even though I'll always be one of the first to welcome a new comer, I keep a little distance until I get to know them a little bit. That's sad, but I've learned the hard way that that's what's best for me.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol! I know... I have fourteen ignores right now! It used to be a norm that a regular member had at least 10 by the end of the first month... Anyway, Im not upset about it. I was just wondering if there is a way to see who is ignoring me. It would be interesting to say the least.
Oh, and I picked up an ignore yesterday (or maybe it was the day before yesterday) too. I suspect the idiot that picked on guido in the picture thread. (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:51:14 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
There is no way to find out who is ignoring you. I actually picked up an ignore yesterday and I wasn't even on-line yesterday. It may have been done accidentally or there's a 'spineless jellyfish' out there just being a jerk. I will pass on advice to you that was given to me when I got my first ignore...embrace it!! You are now 'officially' one of us!!! Welcome to the club my friend!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I wondered this often... How can you check who is ignoring you?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAA!!!!!! Norman! Too funny!!! Were I to be the ignore in your list (sorry, too lazy to look), I wouldn't respond. I'd much rather, well, IGNORE!
Nope, not me. Not a soul on my ignore list. Seems that your oh-so-clever new identities must have caught another's eye. Ahhhh...as I say, good to be home!
I hear ya... I have one too. Wont throw it out of the window, no way. TV shows are one thing, but reallity is usualy something else. For all I know, I just might kill or permanently damage the cat... Not thank you. Besides, shes so fat, she would probably make a hole in the pavement.
Even though I prefer dogs, I do have a cat. She is quite friendly and always wants attention. She even gets mad if I don't come straight home from work!! I don't have the heart to experiment with her, although I had this black cat with white paws who literally attacked me one day, now her...
_strat_ wrote:
Ah. No cat parachute, then? Anyway... It makes sense to me. I just hope that this conversation wont inspire anyone to try it out. It sure tempts me!
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning/afternoon, Strat...
I watched a show over the weekend on Discovery (I think) called 'In The Womb: Cats'. What the show implied was that cats have 240 some odd bones in there vertebrae and in their ears they have 3 types of membrane (?) that give them their balance and sense of direction (humans only have one). When a cat falls their head orients itself with where it's at and 'points' it's head in the right direction. As the spine follows it's head it one sweeping motion, it lands perfectly on all fours. The show also noted that the higher up the cat falls, the better the position it will land in.
Hope this makes sense.
_strat_ wrote:
? I dont know how does that help.... Even if the spine would stay intact, wouldnt its legs break? IDK, tho, I was never good at biology.
spapad wrote:
Bad pet trivia here strat. It's actually because of the way a cat's spinal column is built that makes that impossible feat possible.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not sure if this makes sense, but...
Ive heard that a cat has a kind of a shape that allows it to fall more slowly, kinda like a parachute. If you throw (but please dont!) a cat out of the window, it will spread its paws and somehow "float" down to the ground. Actualy, cats that fall from higher floors have a better chance of surviving the fall than those that fall from lower floors.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
A DEFINATE FEEL-GOOD STORY FOR THIS TIME OF THE YEAR:
2 HORSES TRAPPED IN DEEP SNOW FOR OVER A WEEK IN THE RENSHAW MOUNTAINS IN B.C. CANADA,RESCUED AFTER VOLUNTEERS SHOVELED A 1KM LONG TRENCH IN -30c WEATHER TO FREE THE IMPRISONED ANIMALS.SPCA SAYS THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL BE OK! ......ALSO, AN AUSTRALIAN CAT SURVIVES A 34-STOREY FALL! FROM AN APARTMENT HIGH RISE...FALL BROKEN BY BUSHES...SUFFERED ONLY DAMAGED PAW AND SOME SCRATCHES....HOW MANY LIVES DOES A 34-STOREY FALL USE UP I WONDER...NAME OF THE CAT WAS VOODOO!...Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Good morning/afternoon, Strat...
I watched a show over the weekend on Discovery (I think) called 'In The Womb: Cats'. What the show implied was that cats have 240 some odd bones in there vertebrae and in their ears they have 3 types of membrane (?) that give them their balance and sense of direction (humans only have one). When a cat falls their head orients itself with where it's at and 'points' it's head in the right direction. As the spine follows it's head it one sweeping motion, it lands perfectly on all fours. The show also noted that the higher up the cat falls, the better the position it will land in.
Hope this makes sense.
_strat_ wrote:
? I dont know how does that help.... Even if the spine would stay intact, wouldnt its legs break? IDK, tho, I was never good at biology.
spapad wrote:
Bad pet trivia here strat. It's actually because of the way a cat's spinal column is built that makes that impossible feat possible.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not sure if this makes sense, but...
Ive heard that a cat has a kind of a shape that allows it to fall more slowly, kinda like a parachute. If you throw (but please dont!) a cat out of the window, it will spread its paws and somehow "float" down to the ground. Actualy, cats that fall from higher floors have a better chance of surviving the fall than those that fall from lower floors.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
A DEFINATE FEEL-GOOD STORY FOR THIS TIME OF THE YEAR:
2 HORSES TRAPPED IN DEEP SNOW FOR OVER A WEEK IN THE RENSHAW MOUNTAINS IN B.C. CANADA,RESCUED AFTER VOLUNTEERS SHOVELED A 1KM LONG TRENCH IN -30c WEATHER TO FREE THE IMPRISONED ANIMALS.SPCA SAYS THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL BE OK! ......ALSO, AN AUSTRALIAN CAT SURVIVES A 34-STOREY FALL! FROM AN APARTMENT HIGH RISE...FALL BROKEN BY BUSHES...SUFFERED ONLY DAMAGED PAW AND SOME SCRATCHES....HOW MANY LIVES DOES A 34-STOREY FALL USE UP I WONDER...NAME OF THE CAT WAS VOODOO!...Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Lol! I know... I have fourteen ignores right now! It used to be a norm that a regular member had at least 10 by the end of the first month... Anyway, Im not upset about it. I was just wondering if there is a way to see who is ignoring me. It would be interesting to say the least.
Oh, and I picked up an ignore yesterday (or maybe it was the day before yesterday) too. I suspect the idiot that picked on guido in the picture thread. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 4:51:14 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
There is no way to find out who is ignoring you. I actually picked up an ignore yesterday and I wasn't even on-line yesterday. It may have been done accidentally or there's a 'spineless jellyfish' out there just being a jerk. I will pass on advice to you that was given to me when I got my first ignore...embrace it!! You are now 'officially' one of us!!! Welcome to the club my friend!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I wondered this often... How can you check who is ignoring you?
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAA!!!!!! Norman! Too funny!!! Were I to be the ignore in your list (sorry, too lazy to look), I wouldn't respond. I'd much rather, well, IGNORE!
Nope, not me. Not a soul on my ignore list. Seems that your oh-so-clever new identities must have caught another's eye. Ahhhh...as I say, good to be home!
I wondered this often... How can you check who is ignoring you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:58:45 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
HAAAAAA!!!!!! Norman! Too funny!!! Were I to be the ignore in your list (sorry, too lazy to look), I wouldn't respond. I'd much rather, well, IGNORE!
Nope, not me. Not a soul on my ignore list. Seems that your oh-so-clever new identities must have caught another's eye. Ahhhh...as I say, good to be home!
? I dont know how does that help.... Even if the spine would stay intact, wouldnt its legs break? IDK, tho, I was never good at biology. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:09:34 PM)
spapad wrote:
Bad pet trivia here strat. It's actually because of the way a cat's spinal column is built that makes that impossible feat possible.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, not sure if this makes sense, but...
Ive heard that a cat has a kind of a shape that allows it to fall more slowly, kinda like a parachute. If you throw (but please dont!) a cat out of the window, it will spread its paws and somehow "float" down to the ground. Actualy, cats that fall from higher floors have a better chance of surviving the fall than those that fall from lower floors.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
A DEFINATE FEEL-GOOD STORY FOR THIS TIME OF THE YEAR:
2 HORSES TRAPPED IN DEEP SNOW FOR OVER A WEEK IN THE RENSHAW MOUNTAINS IN B.C. CANADA,RESCUED AFTER VOLUNTEERS SHOVELED A 1KM LONG TRENCH IN -30c WEATHER TO FREE THE IMPRISONED ANIMALS.SPCA SAYS THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL BE OK! ......ALSO, AN AUSTRALIAN CAT SURVIVES A 34-STOREY FALL! FROM AN APARTMENT HIGH RISE...FALL BROKEN BY BUSHES...SUFFERED ONLY DAMAGED PAW AND SOME SCRATCHES....HOW MANY LIVES DOES A 34-STOREY FALL USE UP I WONDER...NAME OF THE CAT WAS VOODOO!...Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Well, I realise that you are ignoring me (and theres your answer to Guidos 40 ignores - half of them are from you, Im sure), but maybe you will read it all the same...
You do have to defend yourself if you want to stay here, and you will have to do a bloody good job at it too - you wouldnt be the first asshole that got banned from here. And no, we dont follow Guidos lead. I reported your previous message because I saw you attacking Guido, and if you do it again (to Guido or anyone else), I and many other members will report that too. So, either pull your head out of your ass and start being a normal member instead of a shitdisturber, or go before you get banned for good. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Tuesday, January 13, 2009 12:03:39 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Not that i need to defend myself,just to keep the record Straight he started with me,and i see 40 people ignore him to if he would leave me alone i will do the same, but he is like the pied piper everybody follows his lead,follow time and posts and give someone credit where it due and and you will see ive not bothered anyone!
Deep Freeze wrote:
My dear young man (woman?), I should think that your behavior here would be a bit more arrested given that you have spent so little time among our group (or have you?). Further, to even suggest that a well respected member be spoken to in such a manner only leads one to believe that your time with us will be even shorter than expected. I can assure you, if guido says you are one of multiple identities you are. How you conduct yourself under this particular moniker will certainly tell us a lot about you and your intentions. You have yet another opportunity to be a decent, contributing member. Clearly, you have not started off well.
(Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
Oh, damn you Freeze! Damn you! I was always great at English. All of my teachers said so, and one actualy said that I have an immpressive vocabulary! Then... You come along. And start tossing around words that I never heard before. Like veal. Thank wikipedia that I (now) know what it is. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:51:54 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Umm.. Yes, actually. I call it veal. HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Screw the hat, look at his T shirt!!! Imp, Im going to find you, and when I do, you better give up the shirt, and no one gets hurt... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Monday, January 12, 2009 10:39:52 AM)
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Nice pic... I like the homemade hat....
I.M.P. wrote:
Right before going to see the Metal Masters. Priest did the impossible-Topped HnH. Couldn't believe it. Best show I'd ever seen. If I can find 'em, I'll post a real funny one of me, some buds and Hansi Kursch.
And that is a home made JP hat on mah head there!
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Aw! Someone has a hedgehog stuck in their ass today! Nothing that a reported offensive message cant solve, tho! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by blood red skies/dreamer from Monday, January 12, 2009 7:49:04 AM)
blood red skies/dreamer wrote:
Your crappy posts and assaults match exatly what i pictured a loser woul look like,think what you want loser,these pictures are probably someone else!
guidogodoy wrote:
Cabo San Lucas, México 2009. Southernmost point and, as always always, the roaming JP cross! Beer anyone?
Want one? You know what you have to do! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, January 11, 2009 11:09:22 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Hey, what is going on here. Ahhh...back to the ol' cookie ploy, eh? Well, our troops are well-prepared. Even against the dreaded passion fruit!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, that so nice... I think Im going to fade.
And just for the record:
1. I went away on my own accord, because you guys were so mean.
2. It wasnt chocolate, it was cookies. But, hell, it worked with Dawn (for a day or so), I guess I can try it again.
Spapad, Join me, and all this is yours:
(Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:10:00 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Now Strat, you know that` not true, we didn`t use you and then throw you away, we just threw you away!!!
And if the General caught you, who would we beat and abuse here?? So see we still love ya man!!! So what`s next, gonna try and brbe her with chocolate??
_strat_ wrote:
Now, come on... Why do you side with the kings mob? You can join me... They will use you, like they did me, then they wont care about you anymore.... Join me! I reward my subjects! See?
A nice Swarovsky dog collar! Come on, you know you want it...
Wipe that tomato sauce of your face! Come on, dog, lets play fetch!
(damn the work computer... Cant post pics) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:17:31 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
See what i did to your little Arnie?????You have to do better than that..............Stratie........
_strat_ wrote:
I have been sent from the future to terminate your hairy ass....
Sorry... Still under the influence of Conan... Or should I say Arnie...
jimmy7 wrote:
Hey Strat...why don't you come and give the collar yourself...????You would be very useful as a toothpick!!!!!
How could i ever join the side of a toothpick????Besides spapad and i are old friends......!!!!!
Does anybody know how i call .......running Strat??????FAST FOOD!!!!BBBWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, come on... Why do you side with the kings mob? You can join me... They will use you, like they did me, then they wont care about you anymore.... Join me! I reward my subjects! See?
A nice Swarovsky dog collar! Come on, you know you want it...
Heeeeeey.... You wouldnt want to kill your Governator, eh? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, January 11, 2009 5:11:27 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
How's things . . . . . . tiny ?
_strat_ wrote:
I have been sent from the future to terminate your hairy ass....
Sorry... Still under the influence of Conan... Or should I say Arnie...
jimmy7 wrote:
Hey Strat...why don't you come and give the collar yourself...????You would be very useful as a toothpick!!!!!
How could i ever join the side of a toothpick????Besides spapad and i are old friends......!!!!!
Does anybody know how i call .......running Strat??????FAST FOOD!!!!BBBWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, come on... Why do you side with the kings mob? You can join me... They will use you, like they did me, then they wont care about you anymore.... Join me! I reward my subjects! See?
A nice Swarovsky dog collar! Come on, you know you want it...
I have been sent from the future to terminate your hairy ass....
Sorry... Still under the influence of Conan... Or should I say Arnie... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Sunday, January 11, 2009 4:59:31 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
Hey Strat...why don't you come and give the collar yourself...????You would be very useful as a toothpick!!!!!
How could i ever join the side of a toothpick????Besides spapad and i are old friends......!!!!!
Does anybody know how i call .......running Strat??????FAST FOOD!!!!BBBWWWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Now, come on... Why do you side with the kings mob? You can join me... They will use you, like they did me, then they wont care about you anymore.... Join me! I reward my subjects! See?
A nice Swarovsky dog collar! Come on, you know you want it...
Seconded. I have a feeling that those shoes are a feminist invention... For obvious reasons. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, January 11, 2009 10:03:00 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
*yikes*
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hmmm looks like I will have to get butt kickin shoes on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They could be... You only need to join me and theyre yours... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:28:02 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Mmmm...cookies!!
Too bad they aren't mine!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, that so nice... I think Im going to fade.
And just for the record:
1. I went away on my own accord, because you guys were so mean.
2. It wasnt chocolate, it was cookies. But, hell, it worked with Dawn (for a day or so), I guess I can try it again.
Spapad, Join me, and all this is yours:
(Quoting Message by guitardude from Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:10:00 PM)
guitardude wrote:
Now Strat, you know that` not true, we didn`t use you and then throw you away, we just threw you away!!!
And if the General caught you, who would we beat and abuse here?? So see we still love ya man!!! So what`s next, gonna try and brbe her with chocolate??
_strat_ wrote:
Now, come on... Why do you side with the kings mob? You can join me... They will use you, like they did me, then they wont care about you anymore.... Join me! I reward my subjects! See?
A nice Swarovsky dog collar! Come on, you know you want it...
This is a Public Service announcement
All Infidels, live in fear, as you`re worst nightmare has returned!All Hail the return of Sir Tim!!!
(Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:59:32 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
guitardude wrote:
Perhaps a sparring match between J7 and our"Predator", to determine who rules the night!!! (Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:27:52 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
I smell.....blood!!!!!When the night comes down.....the beast .......rules the land!!!
Maybe so! LOL but I live in "Da woods" not "Da Hood". Maybe a hunter would want it for camoflauge!? LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Well, you could always sell it. I bet that there would be a lot of potential buyers in "da hood".
spapad wrote:
Wow, did a zebra just throw up? I would cry if that were my car. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20:27 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
May I suggest this? Only with pink base colour... The perfect vehicle for the Metal Demigod...
Oh, and on the side note, the car looks very nice (in normal colours).
Head banger wrote:
good choice. colour?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, Altima. Either way, that is what she picked.
Head banger wrote:
ah, isnt it an altima? nice car, sporty
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I am not going to be drawn into some kind of weird, sexual discussion! The Princess has picked out a vehicle and I will go take care of the paperwork today or tomorrow. She wants Nissan Ultima. Fine with me. I stay home most of the time! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, at least I did not get an SUV!!
Now Strat, you know that` not true, we didn`t use you and then throw you away, we just threw you away!!!
And if the General caught you, who would we beat and abuse here?? So see we still love ya man!!! So what`s next, gonna try and brbe her with chocolate??
_strat_ wrote:
Now, come on... Why do you side with the kings mob? You can join me... They will use you, like they did me, then they wont care about you anymore.... Join me! I reward my subjects! See?
A nice Swarovsky dog collar! Come on, you know you want it...
Great! I like them well done, and if you can bake a potato or two, that would be great. See, we can be friends... As long as food is involved. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:47:24 PM)
Well, you could always sell it. I bet that there would be a lot of potential buyers in "da hood". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:51:58 PM)
spapad wrote:
Wow, did a zebra just throw up? I would cry if that were my car. (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:20:27 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
May I suggest this? Only with pink base colour... The perfect vehicle for the Metal Demigod...
Oh, and on the side note, the car looks very nice (in normal colours).
Head banger wrote:
good choice. colour?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, Altima. Either way, that is what she picked.
Head banger wrote:
ah, isnt it an altima? nice car, sporty
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I am not going to be drawn into some kind of weird, sexual discussion! The Princess has picked out a vehicle and I will go take care of the paperwork today or tomorrow. She wants Nissan Ultima. Fine with me. I stay home most of the time! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, at least I did not get an SUV!!
Cool. I did some googling, and it really looks like a nice car. Not like thos Smarts that you would see around here... Just hope that it works as good as it looks.
Oh, and we all know what REAL football is, and we also know that its not what youre watching. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:53:49 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry I missed this! I am watching (real) football and not really paying much attention to the computer. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I suppose I would lke to see the Steelers win. They are my son-in-law's favorite. Personally, not much difference to me either way!
As for the new car, it is dark grey. Charcoal interior, tinted windows, etc. It is a "Special Edition", if that means anything to you guys. Looks like a car to me...HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYWAY, the dealership had a young man bring it over for me to see it. He left about an hour ago. Looks very nice. I like it.
ronhartsell wrote:
Starting to sound like you're in need of a vacation DF. Are you pulling for anyone in the playoffs?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, Altima. Either way, that is what she picked.
Head banger wrote:
ah, isnt it an altima? nice car, sporty
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I am not going to be drawn into some kind of weird, sexual discussion! The Princess has picked out a vehicle and I will go take care of the paperwork today or tomorrow. She wants Nissan Ultima. Fine with me. I stay home most of the time! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, at least I did not get an SUV!!
My, oh my... Somebody is a little evil tonight, eh? Just for your information, I checked up the word "elude" and I know that I used it right... So there you have it.
It was meant in illustrative reference to the "theme" of the album as it compares to Nostradamus. Nothing more. As for eluding you, strat...well, most things seem to... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jimmyjames wrote:
Yeah, the album itself was not really the point of the post. It was more about those idiot fans of the band that sometimes post on the site. Just used the album as an example to illustrate their mentality. Seeing it played in its entirety would be good but i don't think there would be much of a market for it, hence the comment about small venues. One question. What made you bring up gay sex? (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:59:41 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, I did not mean to suggest that DotF is the only one! It's just that songs like Jawbreaker and Eat Me Alive come to mind. That's all. As I mentioned, I have no problem with the new album. Don't hate it, don't love it. It is fine with me. It is what it is. Personally, I was not expecting a Painkiller II. In fact, Nostradamus is pretty much what I figured it would be.
adrianaec_88 wrote:
I agree in what you said Freeze, it's a good album but is far from being one of their best.... why did you say "Rob went through his "gay sex" phase with Defenders"?? (I mean why do you say it was in Defenders and not other album)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I understand your point, jimmy. Personally, I like the album but I have been saying since day one that it is not my favorite. Like you, I do not simply rave on everything the Band produces. Not a big fan of Turbo at all. Not afraid to admit it, either. Nostradamus is a valiant effort at something that , eventually, most of the "greats" attempt. The Wall, Tommy...you get the idea. I suppose, in the Band's defense, that it is exactly the kind of subject matter we should expect from them. I mean, Rob already went through his "gay sex" phase with Defenders, right?
I do not rate Nostradamus in my top five but I have no problem with it. There are some great songs and the Band accomplished exactly what they wanted to with it. It is supposed to emote a dark, forboding feeling and it succeeds. As for the quality of it on a song by song basis, I feel Stained Class, Painkiller and the other "classics" far exceed it.
As for playing it in it's entirety, I do believe that it will happen. They have said they want to and, let's face it, if they were worried about selling out arenas, they would have changed their style a LONG time ago. Perhaps went to screaming and indecipherable growling? I don't know. The thing is, they are at a point where they do not have to play to fifty thousand people in order to survive or remain relevant. They are far beyond that. We will see a Nostradamus ONLY show. Count on it.
Ah, the general has been chasing me for over a year now... With no succes. He just doesnt have enough... muscle... to catch me.
Flamethrower sounds good, tho. I will prepare some steaks ASAP. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:28:23 PM)
spapad wrote:
Ah strat, I do believe you are sadly mistaken! From this vantage point I rule all, and not to mention I have a kinship to warewolves and bones.
All the flea powder and ammo in the world isn't going to save you, and when the general finishes his tour of duty, better watch out!
Your going down! BAHAHAHAHAHAWWAAHHHAAAAA! HOWWWWLLLLLLLL! Time to ignite the flame thrower!! LOL Edited at: Saturday, January 10, 2009 5:32:55 PM
Now, come on... Why do you side with the kings mob? You can join me... They will use you, like they did me, then they wont care about you anymore.... Join me! I reward my subjects! See?
A nice Swarovsky dog collar! Come on, you know you want it...
May I suggest this? Only with pink base colour... The perfect vehicle for the Metal Demigod...
Oh, and on the side note, the car looks very nice (in normal colours). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, January 10, 2009 2:32:01 PM)
Head banger wrote:
good choice. colour?
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, Altima. Either way, that is what she picked.
Head banger wrote:
ah, isnt it an altima? nice car, sporty
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, I am not going to be drawn into some kind of weird, sexual discussion! The Princess has picked out a vehicle and I will go take care of the paperwork today or tomorrow. She wants Nissan Ultima. Fine with me. I stay home most of the time! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyway, at least I did not get an SUV!!
I have always said that arguing on the internet is an intelectual dick mesureing contest.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK then... But I do know one thing. It has been scientificaly proven that the size of the car is in opposite relation to the size of the drivers penis. The bigger the car, the smaller the penis. And since N. Americans all have big cars... Well, the conclusion is that we have bigger dicks than you do. Case closed.
Head banger wrote:
probably not, since the distances are different, north americans drive further and have less public transport options, so probably spend more on gas. being more car reliant and spending so much time in the car makes the requirements different.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that still means that you could pay half as much for gas than an average European does.
Head banger wrote:
remember, gas costs half over here. most cars are more thirsty. most now are not uncomfortable, and the higher seating alows easier entry and exit.
_strat_ wrote:
Ugh... I take it youve never been to Italy. Hardly a car there that isnt bumped or damaged in some way.
Anyway, (another anti-yank rant incoming) why an SUV? Why are all yanks so crazy about them? Theyre thirsty, big, uncomfortable... Right?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will say this strat, the very worst drivers in the world apparently live in Vegas! I mean, it was PARKED for god's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeez! Well, I have NO idea what we will buy. The Princess mentioned an SUV ( a small one) but I don't know. I really do not care for them myself. HB, what have you got in the way of a BMW.....? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, noobs will be noobs... I guess that the best thing we can do is ignore the dumbfucks alltogether.
Oh, and the "gay sex" comment illudes me too. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Saturday, January 10, 2009 4:41:20 PM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Yeah, the album itself was not really the point of the post. It was more about those idiot fans of the band that sometimes post on the site. Just used the album as an example to illustrate their mentality. Seeing it played in its entirety would be good but i don't think there would be much of a market for it, hence the comment about small venues. One question. What made you bring up gay sex? (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, January 10, 2009 10:59:41 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, I did not mean to suggest that DotF is the only one! It's just that songs like Jawbreaker and Eat Me Alive come to mind. That's all. As I mentioned, I have no problem with the new album. Don't hate it, don't love it. It is fine with me. It is what it is. Personally, I was not expecting a Painkiller II. In fact, Nostradamus is pretty much what I figured it would be.
adrianaec_88 wrote:
I agree in what you said Freeze, it's a good album but is far from being one of their best.... why did you say "Rob went through his "gay sex" phase with Defenders"?? (I mean why do you say it was in Defenders and not other album)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I understand your point, jimmy. Personally, I like the album but I have been saying since day one that it is not my favorite. Like you, I do not simply rave on everything the Band produces. Not a big fan of Turbo at all. Not afraid to admit it, either. Nostradamus is a valiant effort at something that , eventually, most of the "greats" attempt. The Wall, Tommy...you get the idea. I suppose, in the Band's defense, that it is exactly the kind of subject matter we should expect from them. I mean, Rob already went through his "gay sex" phase with Defenders, right?
I do not rate Nostradamus in my top five but I have no problem with it. There are some great songs and the Band accomplished exactly what they wanted to with it. It is supposed to emote a dark, forboding feeling and it succeeds. As for the quality of it on a song by song basis, I feel Stained Class, Painkiller and the other "classics" far exceed it.
As for playing it in it's entirety, I do believe that it will happen. They have said they want to and, let's face it, if they were worried about selling out arenas, they would have changed their style a LONG time ago. Perhaps went to screaming and indecipherable growling? I don't know. The thing is, they are at a point where they do not have to play to fifty thousand people in order to survive or remain relevant. They are far beyond that. We will see a Nostradamus ONLY show. Count on it.
It means that the lenght of his "gear" wasnt compromised at all. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, January 10, 2009 7:17:36 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
This is all too funny...what if he didn't even have a car?? what does that mean??
Ive heard that a cat has a kind of a shape that allows it to fall more slowly, kinda like a parachute. If you throw (but please dont!) a cat out of the window, it will spread its paws and somehow "float" down to the ground. Actualy, cats that fall from higher floors have a better chance of surviving the fall than those that fall from lower floors. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 2:13:02 PM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
A DEFINATE FEEL-GOOD STORY FOR THIS TIME OF THE YEAR:
2 HORSES TRAPPED IN DEEP SNOW FOR OVER A WEEK IN THE RENSHAW MOUNTAINS IN B.C. CANADA,RESCUED AFTER VOLUNTEERS SHOVELED A 1KM LONG TRENCH IN -30c WEATHER TO FREE THE IMPRISONED ANIMALS.SPCA SAYS THERE IS A VERY GOOD CHANCE THEY WILL BE OK! ......ALSO, AN AUSTRALIAN CAT SURVIVES A 34-STOREY FALL! FROM AN APARTMENT HIGH RISE...FALL BROKEN BY BUSHES...SUFFERED ONLY DAMAGED PAW AND SOME SCRATCHES....HOW MANY LIVES DOES A 34-STOREY FALL USE UP I WONDER...NAME OF THE CAT WAS VOODOO!...Hmmmmmmmmmmmm.....
Well, IDK then... But I do know one thing. It has been scientificaly proven that the size of the car is in opposite relation to the size of the drivers penis. The bigger the car, the smaller the penis. And since N. Americans all have big cars... Well, the conclusion is that we have bigger dicks than you do. Case closed. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, January 09, 2009 8:28:14 AM)
Head banger wrote:
probably not, since the distances are different, north americans drive further and have less public transport options, so probably spend more on gas. being more car reliant and spending so much time in the car makes the requirements different.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that still means that you could pay half as much for gas than an average European does.
Head banger wrote:
remember, gas costs half over here. most cars are more thirsty. most now are not uncomfortable, and the higher seating alows easier entry and exit.
_strat_ wrote:
Ugh... I take it youve never been to Italy. Hardly a car there that isnt bumped or damaged in some way.
Anyway, (another anti-yank rant incoming) why an SUV? Why are all yanks so crazy about them? Theyre thirsty, big, uncomfortable... Right?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will say this strat, the very worst drivers in the world apparently live in Vegas! I mean, it was PARKED for god's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeez! Well, I have NO idea what we will buy. The Princess mentioned an SUV ( a small one) but I don't know. I really do not care for them myself. HB, what have you got in the way of a BMW.....? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
A fabulous Friday to one and all! Shuffling about this morning, stupid car on my mind! Starting to look like Ozzy the way and mutter to myself as I wander around here trying to decide what to do. HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hope all of you have a GREAT weekend. I will be "in and out", as it were.
Now, come on... You dont want to eat ME... Trust me, Im very skinny. Not a lot of meat. Besides, I eat very unhealthy food. I would give you a bad digestion...
I know what you want... You want this, no?
Or, you can always have a bite at Guitardude. All bones... Nice bones... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Friday, January 09, 2009 3:46:48 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
I can't be killed by your toy...gun!!!!!!!!!You have to do better than that!!!!Do you hear me......breakfast???
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!! Yup, I guess Im too used of teasing yanks that are far away... I will just go to the basement with an AK 47 and a big bag of flea powder... Drop by whenever you like!
jimmy7 wrote:
Ηahahahahahhaha..................you know Slovenia isn't far from here.........maybe you'd like a visit!!!!Just to give you some......fleas!!!!hohohohohohohooho!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I hope your beast doesnt have any fleas... I hate fleas. And judging by the look, it aint housetrained either.
jimmy7 wrote:
I smell.....blood!!!!!When the night comes down.....the beast .......rules the land!!!
remember, gas costs half over here. most cars are more thirsty. most now are not uncomfortable, and the higher seating alows easier entry and exit.
_strat_ wrote:
Ugh... I take it youve never been to Italy. Hardly a car there that isnt bumped or damaged in some way.
Anyway, (another anti-yank rant incoming) why an SUV? Why are all yanks so crazy about them? Theyre thirsty, big, uncomfortable... Right?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will say this strat, the very worst drivers in the world apparently live in Vegas! I mean, it was PARKED for god's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeez! Well, I have NO idea what we will buy. The Princess mentioned an SUV ( a small one) but I don't know. I really do not care for them myself. HB, what have you got in the way of a BMW.....? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Happy birthday HB! Thanks for all the contributions to this thread. Keep them coming! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Friday, January 09, 2009 2:49:03 AM)
Ugh... I take it youve never been to Italy. Hardly a car there that isnt bumped or damaged in some way.
Anyway, (another anti-yank rant incoming) why an SUV? Why are all yanks so crazy about them? Theyre thirsty, big, uncomfortable... Right? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:44:32 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will say this strat, the very worst drivers in the world apparently live in Vegas! I mean, it was PARKED for god's sake!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeez! Well, I have NO idea what we will buy. The Princess mentioned an SUV ( a small one) but I don't know. I really do not care for them myself. HB, what have you got in the way of a BMW.....? BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOL!! Yup, I guess Im too used of teasing yanks that are far away... I will just go to the basement with an AK 47 and a big bag of flea powder... Drop by whenever you like! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:01:42 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
Ηahahahahahhaha..................you know Slovenia isn't far from here.........maybe you'd like a visit!!!!Just to give you some......fleas!!!!hohohohohohohooho!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I hope your beast doesnt have any fleas... I hate fleas. And judging by the look, it aint housetrained either.
jimmy7 wrote:
I smell.....blood!!!!!When the night comes down.....the beast .......rules the land!!!
I hope your beast doesnt have any fleas... I hate fleas. And judging by the look, it aint housetrained either. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Thursday, January 08, 2009 4:27:52 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
I smell.....blood!!!!!When the night comes down.....the beast .......rules the land!!!
Wow!! You have some seriously crazy drivers over there...
What do you have in mind for a new car? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, January 08, 2009 3:46:55 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry to be M.I.A. but things just keep getting better around here!! Just received a call from my insurance company and..........my car is TOTALED!! Nice! Real nice! My parked car was hit by some loser and now it is gone!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOOOOOOOOOOO...... the Princess and I will be "car shopping" for the next few days. Hopefully, I will talk to you soon!
Perhaps it was Rudolphs wife... Did she have a red nose? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 6:08:53 PM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WHAT!!!!!!!!!....SANTA ISN'T REAL?.......THEN WHO WAS THAT SEXY BABE I SPENT THE NIGHT WITH DEC.24 AT THE NORTH POLE WHO SAID HER HUSBAND WAS AWAY DELIVERING CHRISTMAS PRESENTS WORLDWIDE?...
_strat_ wrote:
He thinks he does, and we dont want to disapoint him. Oh, and dont tell him that santa isnt real either.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WHOA!...WHOA!!!...YOU LOST CONTROL???...AS IF TO SUGGEST WHAT?...YOU EVER HAD CONTROL?...
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, I ranted about this Travolta thing this morning and somehow, it morphed into this latest conversation. Just how the heck did I lose control here? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
now, number three... The first pic is a Greek letter that is often used in geometry. It is actually written with 5 letters, two of which are the same (a double letter) and starts with "G". Now what do you suppose is in the second pic?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
1). The Rolling Stones
2). My Chemical Romance
3). ??
4). Dragon Force
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, the easy one first:
1. Whoever doesnt get this one, will be painted black
2. The first word is "My" and then:
And just for the record, I AM NOT a fan of theirs!
3. The first pic is a Greek letter. Nuff said.
without the "X"
4.
Ok, that much for now. Edited at: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:12:27 PM
now, number three... The first pic is a Greek letter that is often used in geometry. It is actually written with 5 letters, two of which are the same (a double letter) and starts with "G". Now what do you suppose is in the second pic? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:18:35 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
1). The Rolling Stones
2). My Chemical Romance
3). ??
4). Dragon Force
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, the easy one first:
1. Whoever doesnt get this one, will be painted black
2. The first word is "My" and then:
And just for the record, I AM NOT a fan of theirs!
3. The first pic is a Greek letter. Nuff said.
without the "X"
4.
Ok, that much for now. Edited at: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 5:12:27 PM
Sure did. That stuff on the pic looks big tho... The biggest Ive seen so far was less than half the size of those.
Ok, ill retire for a couple of minutes... And return with a few riddles of my own. Hopefully this time, I will make it a bit more difficult! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:59:31 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Yeah, I thought that pic was a bit hard. I couldn't find any pics of hail falling without having it look like snow on the ground.
At least you learned something new today!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Yipee!! Had me lost with those icy lumps tho. I had to look into a dictionary to find them. So I can add another word into my English vocabulary: hail...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Correct!!
_strat_ wrote:
Van Halen
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Time for the band riddle of the day!! This one should be extra easy:
Yipee!! Had me lost with those icy lumps tho. I had to look into a dictionary to find them. So I can add another word into my English vocabulary: hail... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:54:10 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Correct!!
_strat_ wrote:
Van Halen
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Time for the band riddle of the day!! This one should be extra easy:
WHOA!...WHOA!!!...YOU LOST CONTROL???...AS IF TO SUGGEST WHAT?...YOU EVER HAD CONTROL?...
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, I ranted about this Travolta thing this morning and somehow, it morphed into this latest conversation. Just how the heck did I lose control here? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, not HALF of the day... A bit of a dramatic overreaction from me... But I do get on whenever I get the chance. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 2:35:58 PM)
Head banger wrote:
huh wonder what thats like?
_strat_ wrote:
AHA!!! Using the school computer for non-educational purposes! Shame on you young man! (said the one that spends half of the work day on the internet...)
Bazooka Joe wrote:
Hey everybody, just stopping in to say high. Can't say anything else though haha, class is over in a couple minutes.
2. (The main reason) Because of your lack of taste in sports. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 3:26:43 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, I ranted about this Travolta thing this morning and somehow, it morphed into this latest conversation. Just how the heck did I lose control here? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nah. We had tabloids and gossip pages in newspapers back in socialism. Its not really a matter of a socio-economic system... Its just people that want to see whats going on in another ones bedroom, particulary if that other one is rich and famous. And the basic hypocrisy, of course. Gloating on the sexual affairs of the famous, when you may have one yourself (speaking in general, of course, not about you). Makes people feel better about themselves, I guess.
Head banger wrote:
whats sad is that the people who edit these magazines are all hoping that the autopsy shows that he was licking toads, or beter yet, got into his fathers stash of crack, cause think how many headlines they could write and magazines they could sell if its proven that his death was not just a random medical issue, but was someones fault.
I guess its capitalism, this might be the best argument for socialism. its like prostitution, only the prostitute at least gets some money, and has a choice.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh I agree, Bev. The average person seems to eat this crap up and beg for more. Look at the proliferation of these Hollywood gossip magazines! The damn things cost five bucks a piece and they sell like crazy every Friday. I know because the Princess insists that I get her three or four of them every week! Seriously, there is some sick fascination there that I just do not understand.
Bev wrote:
Think it has something to do with sales, capitolism, etc. ; )
Deep Freeze wrote:
Let's be clear. NOT about a child dying! About the sensationalism of all this.
Bev wrote:
I am trying to imagine you are actually pissed off about this!
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said;
WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??
For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis? NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings.
I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.
AHA!!! Using the school computer for non-educational purposes! Shame on you young man! (said the one that spends half of the work day on the internet...) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bazooka Joe from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 11:39:54 AM)
Bazooka Joe wrote:
Hey everybody, just stopping in to say high. Can't say anything else though haha, class is over in a couple minutes.
Really? No football during winter in the states? But... Thats the best time of the year for it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:08:14 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I think he is actualy on loan for the winter while MLS is off.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! You see?? I had NO idea he had left the states! It was all a marketing ploy, NOT a true sports move. The guy was supposed to bring soccer (HA!) to the forefront here in the US but, as with ALL that have tried previously, he failed and now he has crawled back to his Euro fans where he will be appreciated.
SOCCER is NOT a sport! BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
? But hes gone back to Europe. I think I heard he plays in Italy now...
In any case, it really isnt about his skills as a football (stop using that stupid "soccer" word, damn you!) player. He and his Spice Girl wife are just... Well, celebrities. Nobody is quite sure why are they so big (cause she is nothing special, and he is not even close to being the best player for years), but they are, so we just have to deal with them...
Oh, and why arent moms and kids real sport fans? If they like real football, they are better sport fans than you...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, we do strat! The media really work hard at trying to legitimize that guy. FORTUNATELY, he is just like those that came before him...ZERO. Soccer is just NOT interesting to the American sports fan. Moms and kids maybe, but not true sports fans.
_strat_ wrote:
Be glad that real football is not so popular with you guys... If it were, you would hear all about Beckhams make up on the TV!
Head banger wrote:
I think it shows just how interested we are with ceebrity, rather than real things. some NFL guy was arested again last night, driving drunk
their must be something of real importance going on. but we dont see news on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said;
WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??
For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis? NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings.
I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.
Nah. We had tabloids and gossip pages in newspapers back in socialism. Its not really a matter of a socio-economic system... Its just people that want to see whats going on in another ones bedroom, particulary if that other one is rich and famous. And the basic hypocrisy, of course. Gloating on the sexual affairs of the famous, when you may have one yourself (speaking in general, of course, not about you). Makes people feel better about themselves, I guess. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 10:10:17 AM)
Head banger wrote:
whats sad is that the people who edit these magazines are all hoping that the autopsy shows that he was licking toads, or beter yet, got into his fathers stash of crack, cause think how many headlines they could write and magazines they could sell if its proven that his death was not just a random medical issue, but was someones fault.
I guess its capitalism, this might be the best argument for socialism. its like prostitution, only the prostitute at least gets some money, and has a choice.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh I agree, Bev. The average person seems to eat this crap up and beg for more. Look at the proliferation of these Hollywood gossip magazines! The damn things cost five bucks a piece and they sell like crazy every Friday. I know because the Princess insists that I get her three or four of them every week! Seriously, there is some sick fascination there that I just do not understand.
Bev wrote:
Think it has something to do with sales, capitolism, etc. ; )
Deep Freeze wrote:
Let's be clear. NOT about a child dying! About the sensationalism of all this.
Bev wrote:
I am trying to imagine you are actually pissed off about this!
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said;
WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??
For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis? NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings.
I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.
And so you shall... From below... For in Allians arena in Munich you shall be buried, so you can eternaly watch real football... Now, begone, for I have to leave. good bye! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:53:14 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NAY!!! I shall not leave! You must hear my words of defiance! I shun ALL that is soccer! Even the ball is goofy..all those stupid spots! And you cannot even use your hands??!?!?! BAH!!! I would rather watch GRASS grow!! HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
ARGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! If there ever was a valid reason to hate the US... Its you!!! Begone, satan of gridirion, demon of lame sports!!! Begone!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! You see?? I had NO idea he had left the states! It was all a marketing ploy, NOT a true sports move. The guy was supposed to bring soccer (HA!) to the forefront here in the US but, as with ALL that have tried previously, he failed and now he has crawled back to his Euro fans where he will be appreciated.
SOCCER is NOT a sport! BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
? But hes gone back to Europe. I think I heard he plays in Italy now...
In any case, it really isnt about his skills as a football (stop using that stupid "soccer" word, damn you!) player. He and his Spice Girl wife are just... Well, celebrities. Nobody is quite sure why are they so big (cause she is nothing special, and he is not even close to being the best player for years), but they are, so we just have to deal with them...
Oh, and why arent moms and kids real sport fans? If they like real football, they are better sport fans than you...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, we do strat! The media really work hard at trying to legitimize that guy. FORTUNATELY, he is just like those that came before him...ZERO. Soccer is just NOT interesting to the American sports fan. Moms and kids maybe, but not true sports fans.
_strat_ wrote:
Be glad that real football is not so popular with you guys... If it were, you would hear all about Beckhams make up on the TV!
Head banger wrote:
I think it shows just how interested we are with ceebrity, rather than real things. some NFL guy was arested again last night, driving drunk
their must be something of real importance going on. but we dont see news on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said;
WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??
For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis? NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings.
I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.
HA!!!!!!!!!!! You see?? I had NO idea he had left the states! It was all a marketing ploy, NOT a true sports move. The guy was supposed to bring soccer (HA!) to the forefront here in the US but, as with ALL that have tried previously, he failed and now he has crawled back to his Euro fans where he will be appreciated.
SOCCER is NOT a sport! BWWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
? But hes gone back to Europe. I think I heard he plays in Italy now...
In any case, it really isnt about his skills as a football (stop using that stupid "soccer" word, damn you!) player. He and his Spice Girl wife are just... Well, celebrities. Nobody is quite sure why are they so big (cause she is nothing special, and he is not even close to being the best player for years), but they are, so we just have to deal with them...
Oh, and why arent moms and kids real sport fans? If they like real football, they are better sport fans than you...
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, we do strat! The media really work hard at trying to legitimize that guy. FORTUNATELY, he is just like those that came before him...ZERO. Soccer is just NOT interesting to the American sports fan. Moms and kids maybe, but not true sports fans.
_strat_ wrote:
Be glad that real football is not so popular with you guys... If it were, you would hear all about Beckhams make up on the TV!
Head banger wrote:
I think it shows just how interested we are with ceebrity, rather than real things. some NFL guy was arested again last night, driving drunk
their must be something of real importance going on. but we dont see news on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said;
WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??
For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis? NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings.
I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.
? But hes gone back to Europe. I think I heard he plays in Italy now...
In any case, it really isnt about his skills as a football (stop using that stupid "soccer" word, damn you!) player. He and his Spice Girl wife are just... Well, celebrities. Nobody is quite sure why are they so big (cause she is nothing special, and he is not even close to being the best player for years), but they are, so we just have to deal with them...
Oh, and why arent moms and kids real sport fans? If they like real football, they are better sport fans than you... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:32:00 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, we do strat! The media really work hard at trying to legitimize that guy. FORTUNATELY, he is just like those that came before him...ZERO. Soccer is just NOT interesting to the American sports fan. Moms and kids maybe, but not true sports fans.
_strat_ wrote:
Be glad that real football is not so popular with you guys... If it were, you would hear all about Beckhams make up on the TV!
Head banger wrote:
I think it shows just how interested we are with ceebrity, rather than real things. some NFL guy was arested again last night, driving drunk
their must be something of real importance going on. but we dont see news on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said;
WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??
For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis? NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings.
I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.
Be glad that real football is not so popular with you guys... If it were, you would hear all about Beckhams make up on the TV! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:25:52 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I think it shows just how interested we are with ceebrity, rather than real things. some NFL guy was arested again last night, driving drunk
their must be something of real importance going on. but we dont see news on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said;
WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??
For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis? NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings.
I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.
Oh, I so agree... I actualy remember that this story was out on the same day as the Israeli offensive in Gaza... And even on our news it got more attention!!! One kid dies, and just because he happened to be the son of a moviestar, we have to hear all about it... Oh, and of course, CNN Europe went on about it for half an hour at least... I mean, one, ONE kid died. How big a story can you make out of it? And at the same time, there are much more serious events going on in the middle East... No, that doesnt get into breaking news, because that would actualy make sense, and people would actualy want to hear about it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:01:42 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, I can stay silent NO longer! I realize I am setting myself up for more accusations of insensitivity and selfishness but this MUST be said;
WHAT THE HELL is SO FRIGGIN IMPORTANT about Jett Travolta?!?!?!?!?!??
For the love of all that is holy!! WHY is this crap splattered all over the news and TV?? Specials on this kid and his "tragic' death!! SO FREAKIN WHAT??? Kids die EVERYDAY! Lots of them. All just as meaningful to their families as this kid was to Vinnie Barbarino!!!... WHY is it that this particular child is SO friggin relevant to the earth that we need hours and HOURS of coverage on him?? Was he closing in on a cure for cancer?? Was he involved in peace negotiations in the Middle East? Did he discover a formula that will fix the US financial crisis? NO!!!! He was the son of an actor. Nothing more. His death is no more meaningful than any other child's. They are all extremely tragic, as are most passings.
I had to endure TWO hours of news last night with this kid as the "top story", then the Princess watches some Hollywood insider show that dedicated another hour and a half to him! Every commercial break went something like this, "When we return, more on this tragic loss. We will talk with the Travolta's dog to get his take, then we have an exclusive with a guy that was peeing at a gas station five blocks from the scene.." AAAARRRRRRGGGGHHH!!!!
I understand that John Travolta is a movie star. I actually like the guy. Great actor. But as far as I am concerned, his kid is no more important than anyone else's and all this sensationalism over it is sickening.
Ouch! I forgot about motorhead! I hope its still time to change the answer... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:45:01 PM)
adrianaec_88 wrote:
1) Kiss
3) Motorhead
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good morning, everyone!!
Time for some band riddles!!!
Basic rules: Simply guess the name of the band these pictures seem to represent.
As for number two... What is on the top picture (I thought it was a radio at first, but Im not sure about it), and what is the building on the right (Im thinking the US senate or the congress). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:02:40 AM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Good morning, everyone!!
Time for some band riddles!!!
Basic rules: Simply guess the name of the band these pictures seem to represent.
LOL... Well, you are wise... A little bit. Maybe I will pay you that transatlantic cruise that I was talking about earlier after all! And with a little luck, the Somalian pirates will "intervene"... My evil side is showing again...
Ok, the shift is over, Im going home. See you later! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:47:59 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I should have known! I am not so wise afterall......HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
If you think its kind... I said it mainly because you said that wisdom comes with age
But... Thank you, nice to hear that.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Why, thank you so much. How very kind of you to say. I must admit, I have never come across a young man of your intelligence. You are, by far, one of the most intelligent young people I have ever known.
_strat_ wrote:
True. You are the wisest person I have ever met.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! *ouch* Well, it is good to see that wisdom DOES come with age.......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
No, its just that Im getting more like you... As in Im getting older.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Neither can I!!! GREAT!! WONDERFUL!!! Looks like I have finally had an impact on you!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that was the day before, I guess it hadnt melted overnight... IDK, anyway, closing down schools for snow is bullshit.
I cant believe that I just said that...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's my point! The day they actually closed them, there was NO SNOW! The day before, we got a few inches but nothing too exciting. People here cannot drive worth a crap so it was far worse than it would be in a place where there are not so many morons. Much ado about nothing, I can assure you.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, dont get me wrong, it was a five second clip, not a 10 min breaking news with guesting experts...
Now, just wondering... When they closed the schools... How much snow was there? I remeber when I was in primary school, there were winters when we had up to a meter. The school wasnt closed for it not once.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It's funny but people do not realize just how cold it really gets in the desert. We are known more for our incredible summer heat but it gets very chilly here in the winter. We do not get much in the way of precipitation but we do get occasional storms. Usually thunderstorms in summer. Anyway, when it gets cold, we do see some snow but it is rare. We had a big storm come through just before Christmas and had a big snow. Everybody went crazy! They were acting like it was some major event! They even had the nerve to CLOSE the friggin schools!!!! The funny part is, the day they closed them, it was CLEAR and SUNNY!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Just a stupid publicity stunt to keep us "in the news". I suppose I should not be surprised that you heard about it.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14:10 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I see... That is a lot of damage... Tho 5000$ still seems too much. But since the insurance company covers it... Its ok. It would be nice if people would chill out when they are driving, tho. Specialy in this weather.
Btw. Vegas was on our news the other day. Supposedly, you guys havent had snow in decades, or what?
Deep Freeze wrote:
From what I can tell, she took the corner in front of my house a bit too fast and rear-ended it! Mashed in the driver's side taillight and rear quarter panel! The trunk was a bit buckled as well. Then she took off! By the time I noticed it, there was no one around! She hit it so hard my car was turned nearly sideways!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:02:27 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... On second thought, keep it. On the house. The way you are you would probably want to go with a luxury ship instead of a plane...
Seriously tho, its nice to hear that that particular incident turned out allright. 5000$.... What on earth did she do to your car?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In my eyes?? Hadn't realized I left the webcam on....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to deliver the cash. Can you get me a ticket to your beautiful country and perhaps a suite at a local FIVE STAR hotel? (There are some things I simply must have...) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
If you think its kind... I said it mainly because you said that wisdom comes with age
But... Thank you, nice to hear that. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:42:10 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Why, thank you so much. How very kind of you to say. I must admit, I have never come across a young man of your intelligence. You are, by far, one of the most intelligent young people I have ever known.
_strat_ wrote:
True. You are the wisest person I have ever met.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! *ouch* Well, it is good to see that wisdom DOES come with age.......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
No, its just that Im getting more like you... As in Im getting older.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Neither can I!!! GREAT!! WONDERFUL!!! Looks like I have finally had an impact on you!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that was the day before, I guess it hadnt melted overnight... IDK, anyway, closing down schools for snow is bullshit.
I cant believe that I just said that...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's my point! The day they actually closed them, there was NO SNOW! The day before, we got a few inches but nothing too exciting. People here cannot drive worth a crap so it was far worse than it would be in a place where there are not so many morons. Much ado about nothing, I can assure you.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, dont get me wrong, it was a five second clip, not a 10 min breaking news with guesting experts...
Now, just wondering... When they closed the schools... How much snow was there? I remeber when I was in primary school, there were winters when we had up to a meter. The school wasnt closed for it not once.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It's funny but people do not realize just how cold it really gets in the desert. We are known more for our incredible summer heat but it gets very chilly here in the winter. We do not get much in the way of precipitation but we do get occasional storms. Usually thunderstorms in summer. Anyway, when it gets cold, we do see some snow but it is rare. We had a big storm come through just before Christmas and had a big snow. Everybody went crazy! They were acting like it was some major event! They even had the nerve to CLOSE the friggin schools!!!! The funny part is, the day they closed them, it was CLEAR and SUNNY!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Just a stupid publicity stunt to keep us "in the news". I suppose I should not be surprised that you heard about it.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14:10 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I see... That is a lot of damage... Tho 5000$ still seems too much. But since the insurance company covers it... Its ok. It would be nice if people would chill out when they are driving, tho. Specialy in this weather.
Btw. Vegas was on our news the other day. Supposedly, you guys havent had snow in decades, or what?
Deep Freeze wrote:
From what I can tell, she took the corner in front of my house a bit too fast and rear-ended it! Mashed in the driver's side taillight and rear quarter panel! The trunk was a bit buckled as well. Then she took off! By the time I noticed it, there was no one around! She hit it so hard my car was turned nearly sideways!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:02:27 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... On second thought, keep it. On the house. The way you are you would probably want to go with a luxury ship instead of a plane...
Seriously tho, its nice to hear that that particular incident turned out allright. 5000$.... What on earth did she do to your car?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In my eyes?? Hadn't realized I left the webcam on....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to deliver the cash. Can you get me a ticket to your beautiful country and perhaps a suite at a local FIVE STAR hotel? (There are some things I simply must have...) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
True. You are the wisest person I have ever met. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:37:31 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!! *ouch* Well, it is good to see that wisdom DOES come with age.......HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
No, its just that Im getting more like you... As in Im getting older.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Neither can I!!! GREAT!! WONDERFUL!!! Looks like I have finally had an impact on you!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that was the day before, I guess it hadnt melted overnight... IDK, anyway, closing down schools for snow is bullshit.
I cant believe that I just said that...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's my point! The day they actually closed them, there was NO SNOW! The day before, we got a few inches but nothing too exciting. People here cannot drive worth a crap so it was far worse than it would be in a place where there are not so many morons. Much ado about nothing, I can assure you.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, dont get me wrong, it was a five second clip, not a 10 min breaking news with guesting experts...
Now, just wondering... When they closed the schools... How much snow was there? I remeber when I was in primary school, there were winters when we had up to a meter. The school wasnt closed for it not once.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It's funny but people do not realize just how cold it really gets in the desert. We are known more for our incredible summer heat but it gets very chilly here in the winter. We do not get much in the way of precipitation but we do get occasional storms. Usually thunderstorms in summer. Anyway, when it gets cold, we do see some snow but it is rare. We had a big storm come through just before Christmas and had a big snow. Everybody went crazy! They were acting like it was some major event! They even had the nerve to CLOSE the friggin schools!!!! The funny part is, the day they closed them, it was CLEAR and SUNNY!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Just a stupid publicity stunt to keep us "in the news". I suppose I should not be surprised that you heard about it.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14:10 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I see... That is a lot of damage... Tho 5000$ still seems too much. But since the insurance company covers it... Its ok. It would be nice if people would chill out when they are driving, tho. Specialy in this weather.
Btw. Vegas was on our news the other day. Supposedly, you guys havent had snow in decades, or what?
Deep Freeze wrote:
From what I can tell, she took the corner in front of my house a bit too fast and rear-ended it! Mashed in the driver's side taillight and rear quarter panel! The trunk was a bit buckled as well. Then she took off! By the time I noticed it, there was no one around! She hit it so hard my car was turned nearly sideways!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:02:27 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... On second thought, keep it. On the house. The way you are you would probably want to go with a luxury ship instead of a plane...
Seriously tho, its nice to hear that that particular incident turned out allright. 5000$.... What on earth did she do to your car?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In my eyes?? Hadn't realized I left the webcam on....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to deliver the cash. Can you get me a ticket to your beautiful country and perhaps a suite at a local FIVE STAR hotel? (There are some things I simply must have...) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
No, its just that Im getting more like you... As in Im getting older. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:32:26 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Neither can I!!! GREAT!! WONDERFUL!!! Looks like I have finally had an impact on you!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that was the day before, I guess it hadnt melted overnight... IDK, anyway, closing down schools for snow is bullshit.
I cant believe that I just said that...
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's my point! The day they actually closed them, there was NO SNOW! The day before, we got a few inches but nothing too exciting. People here cannot drive worth a crap so it was far worse than it would be in a place where there are not so many morons. Much ado about nothing, I can assure you.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, dont get me wrong, it was a five second clip, not a 10 min breaking news with guesting experts...
Now, just wondering... When they closed the schools... How much snow was there? I remeber when I was in primary school, there were winters when we had up to a meter. The school wasnt closed for it not once.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It's funny but people do not realize just how cold it really gets in the desert. We are known more for our incredible summer heat but it gets very chilly here in the winter. We do not get much in the way of precipitation but we do get occasional storms. Usually thunderstorms in summer. Anyway, when it gets cold, we do see some snow but it is rare. We had a big storm come through just before Christmas and had a big snow. Everybody went crazy! They were acting like it was some major event! They even had the nerve to CLOSE the friggin schools!!!! The funny part is, the day they closed them, it was CLEAR and SUNNY!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Just a stupid publicity stunt to keep us "in the news". I suppose I should not be surprised that you heard about it.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14:10 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I see... That is a lot of damage... Tho 5000$ still seems too much. But since the insurance company covers it... Its ok. It would be nice if people would chill out when they are driving, tho. Specialy in this weather.
Btw. Vegas was on our news the other day. Supposedly, you guys havent had snow in decades, or what?
Deep Freeze wrote:
From what I can tell, she took the corner in front of my house a bit too fast and rear-ended it! Mashed in the driver's side taillight and rear quarter panel! The trunk was a bit buckled as well. Then she took off! By the time I noticed it, there was no one around! She hit it so hard my car was turned nearly sideways!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:02:27 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... On second thought, keep it. On the house. The way you are you would probably want to go with a luxury ship instead of a plane...
Seriously tho, its nice to hear that that particular incident turned out allright. 5000$.... What on earth did she do to your car?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In my eyes?? Hadn't realized I left the webcam on....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to deliver the cash. Can you get me a ticket to your beautiful country and perhaps a suite at a local FIVE STAR hotel? (There are some things I simply must have...) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
Well, that was the day before, I guess it hadnt melted overnight... IDK, anyway, closing down schools for snow is bullshit.
I cant believe that I just said that... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:28:23 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's my point! The day they actually closed them, there was NO SNOW! The day before, we got a few inches but nothing too exciting. People here cannot drive worth a crap so it was far worse than it would be in a place where there are not so many morons. Much ado about nothing, I can assure you.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, dont get me wrong, it was a five second clip, not a 10 min breaking news with guesting experts...
Now, just wondering... When they closed the schools... How much snow was there? I remeber when I was in primary school, there were winters when we had up to a meter. The school wasnt closed for it not once.
Deep Freeze wrote:
It's funny but people do not realize just how cold it really gets in the desert. We are known more for our incredible summer heat but it gets very chilly here in the winter. We do not get much in the way of precipitation but we do get occasional storms. Usually thunderstorms in summer. Anyway, when it gets cold, we do see some snow but it is rare. We had a big storm come through just before Christmas and had a big snow. Everybody went crazy! They were acting like it was some major event! They even had the nerve to CLOSE the friggin schools!!!! The funny part is, the day they closed them, it was CLEAR and SUNNY!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Just a stupid publicity stunt to keep us "in the news". I suppose I should not be surprised that you heard about it.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14:10 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I see... That is a lot of damage... Tho 5000$ still seems too much. But since the insurance company covers it... Its ok. It would be nice if people would chill out when they are driving, tho. Specialy in this weather.
Btw. Vegas was on our news the other day. Supposedly, you guys havent had snow in decades, or what?
Deep Freeze wrote:
From what I can tell, she took the corner in front of my house a bit too fast and rear-ended it! Mashed in the driver's side taillight and rear quarter panel! The trunk was a bit buckled as well. Then she took off! By the time I noticed it, there was no one around! She hit it so hard my car was turned nearly sideways!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:02:27 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... On second thought, keep it. On the house. The way you are you would probably want to go with a luxury ship instead of a plane...
Seriously tho, its nice to hear that that particular incident turned out allright. 5000$.... What on earth did she do to your car?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In my eyes?? Hadn't realized I left the webcam on....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to deliver the cash. Can you get me a ticket to your beautiful country and perhaps a suite at a local FIVE STAR hotel? (There are some things I simply must have...) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
Well, dont get me wrong, it was a five second clip, not a 10 min breaking news with guesting experts...
Now, just wondering... When they closed the schools... How much snow was there? I remeber when I was in primary school, there were winters when we had up to a meter. The school wasnt closed for it not once. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:21:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
It's funny but people do not realize just how cold it really gets in the desert. We are known more for our incredible summer heat but it gets very chilly here in the winter. We do not get much in the way of precipitation but we do get occasional storms. Usually thunderstorms in summer. Anyway, when it gets cold, we do see some snow but it is rare. We had a big storm come through just before Christmas and had a big snow. Everybody went crazy! They were acting like it was some major event! They even had the nerve to CLOSE the friggin schools!!!! The funny part is, the day they closed them, it was CLEAR and SUNNY!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! Just a stupid publicity stunt to keep us "in the news". I suppose I should not be surprised that you heard about it.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:14:10 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
I see... That is a lot of damage... Tho 5000$ still seems too much. But since the insurance company covers it... Its ok. It would be nice if people would chill out when they are driving, tho. Specialy in this weather.
Btw. Vegas was on our news the other day. Supposedly, you guys havent had snow in decades, or what?
Deep Freeze wrote:
From what I can tell, she took the corner in front of my house a bit too fast and rear-ended it! Mashed in the driver's side taillight and rear quarter panel! The trunk was a bit buckled as well. Then she took off! By the time I noticed it, there was no one around! She hit it so hard my car was turned nearly sideways!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:02:27 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... On second thought, keep it. On the house. The way you are you would probably want to go with a luxury ship instead of a plane...
Seriously tho, its nice to hear that that particular incident turned out allright. 5000$.... What on earth did she do to your car?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In my eyes?? Hadn't realized I left the webcam on....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to deliver the cash. Can you get me a ticket to your beautiful country and perhaps a suite at a local FIVE STAR hotel? (There are some things I simply must have...) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
I see... That is a lot of damage... Tho 5000$ still seems too much. But since the insurance company covers it... Its ok. It would be nice if people would chill out when they are driving, tho. Specialy in this weather.
Btw. Vegas was on our news the other day. Supposedly, you guys havent had snow in decades, or what? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:07:10 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
From what I can tell, she took the corner in front of my house a bit too fast and rear-ended it! Mashed in the driver's side taillight and rear quarter panel! The trunk was a bit buckled as well. Then she took off! By the time I noticed it, there was no one around! She hit it so hard my car was turned nearly sideways!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:02:27 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... On second thought, keep it. On the house. The way you are you would probably want to go with a luxury ship instead of a plane...
Seriously tho, its nice to hear that that particular incident turned out allright. 5000$.... What on earth did she do to your car?
Deep Freeze wrote:
In my eyes?? Hadn't realized I left the webcam on....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to deliver the cash. Can you get me a ticket to your beautiful country and perhaps a suite at a local FIVE STAR hotel? (There are some things I simply must have...) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
Umm... On second thought, keep it. On the house. The way you are you would probably want to go with a luxury ship instead of a plane...
Seriously tho, its nice to hear that that particular incident turned out allright. 5000$.... What on earth did she do to your car? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:56:43 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
In my eyes?? Hadn't realized I left the webcam on....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Would love to deliver the cash. Can you get me a ticket to your beautiful country and perhaps a suite at a local FIVE STAR hotel? (There are some things I simply must have...) HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
You lie... I can see it in your eyes... You will deliver the CASH yourself. And you WILL call me Godfather. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:50:25 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thank you all. It was a bit of a surprise to say the least. I mean, it happened on New Year's Eve! According to her insurance company, she called it in the next day but I did not see any notes on the car over the weekend. In any event, I am grateful. The shop called me yesterday afternoon and said the repairs will take about two weeks and run almost $5,000 !!! YIKES! The Princess is already in "love" with the rental we have ( A little SUV) so I am getting heat about buying her one! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um...strat...the check's in the mail...HAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!!!
It was a pleasure to interwene.... I will of course expect a certain provision for the service. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:32:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I should think that today will be a far sight better than the last couple have been for me! I went out to the car yesterday in order to take it to the repair shop and, lo and behold, there was an envelope on the windshield from the offending driver!! Seems there is still a bit of decency left in the world. Well, that or someone saw her and threatened to turn her in!! HA!!! ANYWAAAAAAAAAY, she left me a nice note with the claim number and her insurance information. Looks like I will NOT be out the $500 deductible afterall!!! WOO HOO!!!!
Seems to have been relatively quiet around here??? Apart from the obligatory IDIOTIC Threads that continue to pop up, all is peaceful in Priestville. The very least one of you could do is call me names or insinuate that I think I run the site or something! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Agreed - only change JD to Ballantines... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, February 25, 2008 5:25:40 AM)
Aye, me too. Except for the Ramones, I can listen to them any time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by mgdman from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 6:07:03 AM)
mgdman wrote:
oopps.. my bad I've been at work all nihgt so I'm starting to see
less and less.
I agree with you, both are good genres but I have to be in the
mood for the Punk style.
_strat_ wrote:
He didnt create this thread. Someone else did, and left it without the first post.
In any case, both are great, punk and metal.
mgdman wrote:
These are two differnet animals completely.
What exactly are you comparing ?
Why discuss this on a thread??
ATILA wrote:
I think that it can see the diference. But I don´t want a row with a possible punk adept, I noly say that I like Heavy Metal, and I´ll die listening Heavy Metal
He didnt create this thread. Someone else did, and left it without the first post.
In any case, both are great, punk and metal. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by mgdman from Tuesday, January 06, 2009 5:56:05 AM)
mgdman wrote:
These are two differnet animals completely.
What exactly are you comparing ?
Why discuss this on a thread??
ATILA wrote:
I think that it can see the diference. But I don´t want a row with a possible punk adept, I noly say that I like Heavy Metal, and I´ll die listening Heavy Metal
Right on time too, I have to go to bed now. See you in the morning. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Monday, January 05, 2009 5:47:10 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Oh, yeah!! I forgot about that band. Immortal...heh heh...
I'll come up with a few band riddles myself. However, I'll have to do that later. Got some textbook shopping to do... it's gonna hurt my wallet real bad.
See ya later, Strat!
_strat_ wrote:
Not that I know of. But you have the correct answer in your post! The one that refers to the life span of a deity...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Let's see... a god is supposed to be all powerful, immortal and represent the people who worship him in some way.
Zeus is supposed to be the god of thunder. Is there a band named Thunder?
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... That was quick, and all correct too. Except its "Golden Earring", a Dutch band, but I can accept the answer...
Ok, number three... Zeus is supposed to be a god. Now, what are the properties of an average god in your opinion?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
1). Judas Priest
2). Blue Oyster Cult?
3).???
4). Iron Maiden
5). Gold Earring?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, some more pic riddles... This time, we are looking for band names.
1.Well, the obvious one first:
2.This one may be less, obvious, tho Im sure Guido will know it:
3. Hint: Yes, it is Zeus, and its not what were looking for. One of his properties is the answer to the riddle.
4. The number of the band members is exactly 3 times the number of the pics in this riddle:
5. Ok, 100 points for anyone who gets this:
Oh, and tell me if you dont see any of the pics, so I can put up another one ASAP.
Anyway, I think that anyone who knows the darker side of metal will know that we are talking about these cute young fellas:
The Norwegian black metal band Immortal! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, January 05, 2009 5:45:37 PM)
Head banger wrote:
imortal?
_strat_ wrote:
Not that I know of. But you have the correct answer in your post! The one that refers to the life span of a deity...
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Let's see... a god is supposed to be all powerful, immortal and represent the people who worship him in some way.
Zeus is supposed to be the god of thunder. Is there a band named Thunder?
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... That was quick, and all correct too. Except its "Golden Earring", a Dutch band, but I can accept the answer...
Ok, number three... Zeus is supposed to be a god. Now, what are the properties of an average god in your opinion?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
1). Judas Priest
2). Blue Oyster Cult?
3).???
4). Iron Maiden
5). Gold Earring?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, some more pic riddles... This time, we are looking for band names.
1.Well, the obvious one first:
2.This one may be less, obvious, tho Im sure Guido will know it:
3. Hint: Yes, it is Zeus, and its not what were looking for. One of his properties is the answer to the riddle.
4. The number of the band members is exactly 3 times the number of the pics in this riddle:
5. Ok, 100 points for anyone who gets this:
Oh, and tell me if you dont see any of the pics, so I can put up another one ASAP.
Let's see... a god is supposed to be all powerful, immortal and represent the people who worship him in some way.
Zeus is supposed to be the god of thunder. Is there a band named Thunder?
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... That was quick, and all correct too. Except its "Golden Earring", a Dutch band, but I can accept the answer...
Ok, number three... Zeus is supposed to be a god. Now, what are the properties of an average god in your opinion?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
1). Judas Priest
2). Blue Oyster Cult?
3).???
4). Iron Maiden
5). Gold Earring?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, some more pic riddles... This time, we are looking for band names.
1.Well, the obvious one first:
2.This one may be less, obvious, tho Im sure Guido will know it:
3. Hint: Yes, it is Zeus, and its not what were looking for. One of his properties is the answer to the riddle.
4. The number of the band members is exactly 3 times the number of the pics in this riddle:
5. Ok, 100 points for anyone who gets this:
Oh, and tell me if you dont see any of the pics, so I can put up another one ASAP.
Not that I know of. But you have the correct answer in your post! The one that refers to the life span of a deity... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Monday, January 05, 2009 5:39:24 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Let's see... a god is supposed to be all powerful, immortal and represent the people who worship him in some way.
Zeus is supposed to be the god of thunder. Is there a band named Thunder?
_strat_ wrote:
Ouch... That was quick, and all correct too. Except its "Golden Earring", a Dutch band, but I can accept the answer...
Ok, number three... Zeus is supposed to be a god. Now, what are the properties of an average god in your opinion?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
1). Judas Priest
2). Blue Oyster Cult?
3).???
4). Iron Maiden
5). Gold Earring?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, some more pic riddles... This time, we are looking for band names.
1.Well, the obvious one first:
2.This one may be less, obvious, tho Im sure Guido will know it:
3. Hint: Yes, it is Zeus, and its not what were looking for. One of his properties is the answer to the riddle.
4. The number of the band members is exactly 3 times the number of the pics in this riddle:
5. Ok, 100 points for anyone who gets this:
Oh, and tell me if you dont see any of the pics, so I can put up another one ASAP.
Ouch... That was quick, and all correct too. Except its "Golden Earring", a Dutch band, but I can accept the answer...
Ok, number three... Zeus is supposed to be a god. Now, what are the properties of an average god in your opinion? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Monday, January 05, 2009 5:30:58 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
1). Judas Priest
2). Blue Oyster Cult?
3).???
4). Iron Maiden
5). Gold Earring?
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, some more pic riddles... This time, we are looking for band names.
1.Well, the obvious one first:
2.This one may be less, obvious, tho Im sure Guido will know it:
3. Hint: Yes, it is Zeus, and its not what were looking for. One of his properties is the answer to the riddle.
4. The number of the band members is exactly 3 times the number of the pics in this riddle:
5. Ok, 100 points for anyone who gets this:
Oh, and tell me if you dont see any of the pics, so I can put up another one ASAP.
I will do some googling... Theres bound to be loads more. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Monday, January 05, 2009 5:03:11 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
WOOHOO!!! I'm a genius!!! Just kidding, just kidding...
Do you have any more riddles, Strat?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, since you didnt see his answer before posting yours... I guess we can split the points. And besides, youve nailed the first four:)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Seven is time!! Right?
Awww, man!! HB got it!! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 05, 2009 4:51:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
6 is a fish, correct.
5, 7 still waiting...
5... remember: it can become an animal or food. That is, when it is "created" or so to speak, it can either become an animal over some time, or it can be taken by people and used as a food. And it is solid (tho very fragile) on the outside, and liqiuid on the inside. It cracks easily.
7... Not man, infact not any living being. Its not something you can touch. It is, was and will be.
Well, since you didnt see his answer before posting yours... I guess we can split the points. And besides, youve nailed the first four:) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Monday, January 05, 2009 4:56:01 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
Seven is time!! Right?
Awww, man!! HB got it!! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, January 05, 2009 4:51:30 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
6 is a fish, correct.
5, 7 still waiting...
5... remember: it can become an animal or food. That is, when it is "created" or so to speak, it can either become an animal over some time, or it can be taken by people and used as a food. And it is solid (tho very fragile) on the outside, and liqiuid on the inside. It cracks easily.
7... Not man, infact not any living being. Its not something you can touch. It is, was and will be.
Oh, the poor soul... I hope for his sake that he has an affair with a real woman. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, January 05, 2009 3:22:28 PM)
Head banger wrote:
Geprge Clooney must be drinking some of that beer. just read a report of him dating paris hilton
5... remember: it can become an animal or food. That is, when it is "created" or so to speak, it can either become an animal over some time, or it can be taken by people and used as a food. And it is solid (tho very fragile) on the outside, and liqiuid on the inside. It cracks easily.
7... Not man, infact not any living being. Its not something you can touch. It is, was and will be.
5 is a food, but we are looking for something more solid on the outside and liquid on the inside
6 is a real animal, not a parasite
7 Fires dont burn down mountains, at least not in this riddle. Something else. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Monday, January 05, 2009 9:30:30 AM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I'll take a stab at it:
1). Mountain?
2). Teeth?
3). It's gotta be air/wind
4). Darkness?
5). Honey?
6). A parasite of sorts?
7). Definitely fire
_strat_ wrote:
No one? Ok, maybe its too hard, maybe no one gives a fuck... In any case, ill give some hints.
1. A geographical term
2. A part of the body
3. Something to do with weather
4. The absence of something
5. Potentialy an animal or food
6. An animal
7. No hint. To obvious already
_strat_ wrote:
Found them! Please, anyone who read the Hobbit STFU, and let the less geeky members figure it out.
Here they are:
1. What has roots as nobody sees,
Is taller than trees
Up, up it goes,
And yet it never grows?
2. Thirty white horses on a red hill,
First they champ,
Then they stamp,
Then they stand still.
3. Voiceless it cries,
Wingless flutters,
Toothless bites,
Mouthless mutters.
4. It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt.
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills.
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter
5. A box without hinges, key, or lid,
Yet golden treasure inside is hid.
6. Alive without breath,
As cold as death;
Never thirsty, ever drinking,
All in mail never clinking.
7. This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.
Oh, dont even get me started on Stallone... With his magic guns that never run out of ammo, and never have to be reloaded. I havent once seen him reload a gun!
Oh, and the final scene of Rambo 3... He, his friend and a bunch of Afghans on horses (!) beat a Soviet army complete with tanks, helicopters and everything!
I love a good action movie as much as anyone, but THAT was just too cheesy for me.
As for Arnold... Well, he was ok in Conan the barbarian (tho the movie sucks when compared to the book), and he had a lot of good, memorable lines in the Terminator... So I guess he is pretty much ok as an actor.
Walker is rubbish, it's part of the reason everyone takes the piss out of him today. But in the early to mid 80s he was in some great action movies. He just never went on with it the way Stallone and Schwarzenegger did.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK about those. I watched Texas Ranger for a while, and I never saw whats so special about him.
jimmyjames wrote:
They are both "straight to video" guys for a reason. The last Seagal movie I saw at the cinema would have been On Deadly Ground in the early 90s. As for Chuck, I really enjoyed Code Of Silence, Delta Force and Missing In Action. I was in Canada last year and saw Delta Force on TV, it's great stuff. Lee Marvin's in it too.
Well, IDK about those. I watched Texas Ranger for a while, and I never saw whats so special about him. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, January 05, 2009 1:56:44 AM)
jimmyjames wrote:
They are both "straight to video" guys for a reason. The last Seagal movie I saw at the cinema would have been On Deadly Ground in the early 90s. As for Chuck, I really enjoyed Code Of Silence, Delta Force and Missing In Action. I was in Canada last year and saw Delta Force on TV, it's great stuff. Lee Marvin's in it too.
Its called football for a reason. No hands allowed! Not to mention full body armour... And they say "soccer" players are pussies! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MaMbO from Monday, January 05, 2009 2:07:38 AM)
MaMbO wrote:
haha good on you!
the rule also applies to AFL rugby and any other code claiming to be football. It is mainly to aviod confusion, and ofcourse incorrect use off the word.
Well, ok. Hes great at martial arts. Chuck Norris too. But I still think that theyre both kinda cheesy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, January 05, 2009 1:48:13 AM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Not sure if this is true or not but i heard Seagal is the only non-japanese person to own land in Japan. The Japanese apparently have a policy that forbids foreign ownership of any of their land. Seagal, however, is held in such high esteem in the martial arts world that the allowed the rule to be bent so that he could own a small piece of land to build a dojo or something on.
_strat_ wrote:
Nah, I dont HATE Gibson... I just think hes an asshole. Another one of those Hollywood "tough guys" like Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, Schwarzeneger... ect.
He does make good movies tho. Mad Max, Braveheart, Passion... All classics.
jimmyjames wrote:
Mad Max is awesome, the whole trilogy is classic stuff. Why do you hate Gibson?
_strat_ wrote:
Watched Mad Max (the first part) yesterday. Great movie! And Mel Gibson wasnt such an asshole when he was young, too.
Nah, I dont HATE Gibson... I just think hes an asshole. Another one of those Hollywood "tough guys" like Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris, Schwarzeneger... ect.
He does make good movies tho. Mad Max, Braveheart, Passion... All classics. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Monday, January 05, 2009 1:38:08 AM)
jimmyjames wrote:
Mad Max is awesome, the whole trilogy is classic stuff. Why do you hate Gibson?
_strat_ wrote:
Watched Mad Max (the first part) yesterday. Great movie! And Mel Gibson wasnt such an asshole when he was young, too.
Found them! Please, anyone who read the Hobbit STFU, and let the less geeky members figure it out.
Here they are:
1. What has roots as nobody sees,
Is taller than trees
Up, up it goes,
And yet it never grows?
2. Thirty white horses on a red hill,
First they champ,
Then they stamp,
Then they stand still.
3. Voiceless it cries,
Wingless flutters,
Toothless bites,
Mouthless mutters.
4. It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt.
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills.
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter
5. A box without hinges, key, or lid,
Yet golden treasure inside is hid.
6. Alive without breath,
As cold as death;
Never thirsty, ever drinking,
All in mail never clinking.
7. This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.
Well, if the beer sales increase, it means that most men dont even notice that the playmates are getting fatter and older. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, January 04, 2009 10:54:04 AM)
Head banger wrote:
more bizare facts...
Recent studies have purported to show that the tempo of popular songs slows, that beer and pasta sales increase, and that Playboy's Playmate of the Year tends to be older and heavier during bad economies
Not to mention remote control operating, proper car parking, and the Chill out center. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Sunday, January 04, 2009 9:17:19 PM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
YOU FORGOT SPORTS,TRAMPOLINES AND PADDLES...TO NAME A FEW!...
adrianaec_88 wrote:
ok, according to the latest research this would be the definitive one.... LMAO!
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
LOL I had a guy tell me it was wrong... because it was missing ASS.. too LMAO
adrianaec_88 wrote:
lol.. that's funny but come on, we have to be honest, that's not true......... you're lacking some more Tits lines LMAO!
Best start right away then. Ive seen some nasty vampires in the Kmac thread. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, January 02, 2009 9:42:14 PM)
Head banger wrote:
but I dont grow garlic in the office.
Bev wrote:
At least! Better take some garlic too, just in case ...
Found them! Please, anyone who read the Hobbit STFU, and let the less geeky members figure it out.
Here they are:
1. What has roots as nobody sees,
Is taller than trees
Up, up it goes,
And yet it never grows?
2. Thirty white horses on a red hill,
First they champ,
Then they stamp,
Then they stand still.
3. Voiceless it cries,
Wingless flutters,
Toothless bites,
Mouthless mutters.
4. It cannot be seen, cannot be felt,
Cannot be heard, cannot be smelt.
It lies behind stars and under hills,
And empty holes it fills.
It comes first and follows after,
Ends life, kills laughter
5. A box without hinges, key, or lid,
Yet golden treasure inside is hid.
6. Alive without breath,
As cold as death;
Never thirsty, ever drinking,
All in mail never clinking.
7. This thing all things devours:
Birds, beasts, trees, flowers;
Gnaws iron, bites steel;
Slays king, ruins town,
And beats high mountain down.
Sorry, too late. Bev was first. I will do some browsing for less profane riddles. Be back shorty. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:49:05 AM)
Yeah, looks like something is wrong... I could see it when I posted the message, but now its gone...
Anyway, the first picture was of a donkey, the second one a hole. Lets just put the two together:
Hint: You have it, I have it, everyone has it. But some people are "it". What is it? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Bev from Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:38:30 AM)
Bev wrote:
Hey Strat, all I see is a box w/ a little red "x" and a sink hole ... (?)
I think so. Tho what would be even better is internationalism. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:21:30 AM)
Head banger wrote:
perhaps global isolationalism would be beter?
_strat_ wrote:
Exactly.
Head banger wrote:
so, the US suported a dictator who killed people, then the soviets suported an uprising which put in castro, a dictator who killed people.
as for forign policy, I guess they all need work then.
_strat_ wrote:
Wheter Cuba is better of now makes no difference to my argument. Batista was a dictator, and the US supported him.
As for Russia and the former Soviet Union... I say they were the same as NATO when it came to foreign policy. I wouldnt dream of defending the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Head banger wrote:
is cuba beter off now? what about all the people the comunists murdered taking over?
how many countries did russia invade?
_strat_ wrote:
I did say something about the heritage of colonialism. Now, sure Africa and certain parts of Asia were colonized a long time ago, but it wasnt until the mid 20th century that the era of colonialism ended. And it left its heritage in the systems, economy, industry, ect. I dont think that India was asking to get invaded and colonialised. So much about the European colonial powers. They did in fact start most of the shit, or are at the least indirectly responsible for it. Granted, tho... The USA wasnt among those powers.
Moving on... The thing that you see on TV is the military part of the issue. Countries invaded, regimes toppled... But what happens after? I can say for Bosnia, that they are in deep shit economicaly speaking. Since the war nothing has improved, and to a large extent because practicly their entire economy is controlled by western businesses, that take all the profits and leave only enough for the basics. Not to mention that the war in Bosnia was fought mainly by the armies of the ethnic groups of Bosnia. The foreign force was more or less there to protect civilians, and failed miserably. The only foreign achievement that is notable in that war was diplomatic.
I wont lose words on Somalia. We know how succesfull THAT was.
Taiwan at present does not require any military assistance, nor has it, as far as I know.
Phillipines, ill leave that, because I dont know enough about them.
But lets get a bit farther from that... How about Chile, where the US has supported a military junta for years? How about pre-socialist Cuba with president-dictator Batista? How about Panama? Loads of examples there. And if it really was all about help, I asked before. Why arent you guys all over Africa? There is PLENTY of conflict going on there, and the only one that gets any attention whatsoever is that in Darfur and Chad.
As I said, interests. Thats the only thing that will bring the superpowers to war. Compassion my ass.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Strat, what BSE means is that whenever countries ask for American or British help, we jump in and assist. Be it Taiwan, Philippines, Bosnia, Somalia, etc...And no, we don't provide aid whenever it purely suits our interests. We provide aid when there are people in trouble. That's what America and Great Britain do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if all this moronic patriotism about "the blood of our nation" was true, it would still hardly be a compensation for the legacy of centuires of colonialism and modern day neo-colonialism. And it would definatly not be a good enough excuse for the corporate exploitation of the workforce in east Asia.
As for "whenever you are in need"... I do not know who this "you" refers to, but the fact is that the majority of the conflicts that are going on around the world never appear on our (and I suppose your) news and newspapers. If it really was about solidarity with the third world, then I guess Africa would be full of NATO troops. It isnt, tho. Western powers only interfere when their interests are in question, that is the fact of the matter.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Very good answer. The 3rd world thinks that we here in the UK and you in America contribute little to the world's suffering. That's we don't give you enough from our own pockets. That we don't share the spoils of our labour. That we don't contribute enough to assist you in your wars. That our Imperialism has done little good in the plight of the poor. For heaven's sake.....we give you the most precious posession and gift we have. Our blood. The blood of our nation whenever you're in need. And then you have the odacity to condemn us? Shame us into guilt? Belittle and betray us? What more do you want from us? Thank you. a. Hammerstein
TIMBONI wrote:
Or better said, hated by those that find out that freedom comes with a price tag. We paid for it with the lives of our own. If you can't get it done yourself, then you owe the people that gave their lives for your freedom. I'll say it again because it bears repeating . . . . NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE !
spapad wrote:
While that is true, we can not cut ourselves off. We are like the comic book hero. Feared by many, hated only by those who know we are comming for them.(Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54:02 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Well, I dont know about sharks, never ate one. A grilled fish is good, and if its grilled by an expert it can be really good. Tho not as good as grilled pork. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:21:10 AM)
Head banger wrote:
interesting. all i know of eating shark is that grilled with tequila and soy sauce its ok, and the liver has so much vitamin E its toxic.
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm, I heard that they do something similar on Iceland, except with sharks, not walruses. Supposedly, it tastes very sweet. Not that I would want to try it. Ever.
Head banger wrote:
seal sushi, whale, the most discusting one is fermented walrus. you catch a walrus in the spring, bury it in rocks, go back in the fall, and dig it out. lots of wiggly creatures in it. lovely.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the Eskimos? Well, I heard that they drink seals blood (as disgusting as it may sound - it is supposedly very rich on vitamines), but seal sushi? Thats new...
Head banger wrote:
thats where the "normal sounding food" is things like raw seal!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, it could be worse. You could live in "Nunavut territory" (whatever that is - I still have Google Earth opened, and Im looking around a bit).
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yes they get really bad winters .. I am sooooooooo Glad I dont live in Montana anymore.. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Wow. Youve got some serious weather there. We only got like two snowfalls this winter, which looks like it will be pretty mild.
But yeah, its really a bitch on the roads. But the worse thing is when the roads ice over. Even salting them doesnt help enough.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
LOL Yes and the county I used to live in is Under funded this year.. ( same county my brother still lives in)
And you will get almost 2 feet of snow/ice ect on the road.. and they will take 5-6 days to come out to plow it.
He has a plow on his pick-up truck.. So alot of the time he and another guy will have to put the blades down, on the main road just to get to work.. LOL
He is supposed to get 16 inches of snow overnite, today!! I dont miss any of that... and the employers expect you to be to work pronto! cant be late even,,, Now how is that poss??? when you have to drive through all that and the state doesnt even have the money to send out a snow plow so regular people can get to work... wheel drive doesnt even work that well when the snow is so deep.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
Mhm, I heard that they do something similar on Iceland, except with sharks, not walruses. Supposedly, it tastes very sweet. Not that I would want to try it. Ever. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 11:01:54 AM)
Head banger wrote:
seal sushi, whale, the most discusting one is fermented walrus. you catch a walrus in the spring, bury it in rocks, go back in the fall, and dig it out. lots of wiggly creatures in it. lovely.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, the Eskimos? Well, I heard that they drink seals blood (as disgusting as it may sound - it is supposedly very rich on vitamines), but seal sushi? Thats new...
Head banger wrote:
thats where the "normal sounding food" is things like raw seal!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, it could be worse. You could live in "Nunavut territory" (whatever that is - I still have Google Earth opened, and Im looking around a bit).
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yes they get really bad winters .. I am sooooooooo Glad I dont live in Montana anymore.. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Wow. Youve got some serious weather there. We only got like two snowfalls this winter, which looks like it will be pretty mild.
But yeah, its really a bitch on the roads. But the worse thing is when the roads ice over. Even salting them doesnt help enough.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
LOL Yes and the county I used to live in is Under funded this year.. ( same county my brother still lives in)
And you will get almost 2 feet of snow/ice ect on the road.. and they will take 5-6 days to come out to plow it.
He has a plow on his pick-up truck.. So alot of the time he and another guy will have to put the blades down, on the main road just to get to work.. LOL
He is supposed to get 16 inches of snow overnite, today!! I dont miss any of that... and the employers expect you to be to work pronto! cant be late even,,, Now how is that poss??? when you have to drive through all that and the state doesnt even have the money to send out a snow plow so regular people can get to work... wheel drive doesnt even work that well when the snow is so deep.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
so, the US suported a dictator who killed people, then the soviets suported an uprising which put in castro, a dictator who killed people.
as for forign policy, I guess they all need work then.
_strat_ wrote:
Wheter Cuba is better of now makes no difference to my argument. Batista was a dictator, and the US supported him.
As for Russia and the former Soviet Union... I say they were the same as NATO when it came to foreign policy. I wouldnt dream of defending the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
Head banger wrote:
is cuba beter off now? what about all the people the comunists murdered taking over?
how many countries did russia invade?
_strat_ wrote:
I did say something about the heritage of colonialism. Now, sure Africa and certain parts of Asia were colonized a long time ago, but it wasnt until the mid 20th century that the era of colonialism ended. And it left its heritage in the systems, economy, industry, ect. I dont think that India was asking to get invaded and colonialised. So much about the European colonial powers. They did in fact start most of the shit, or are at the least indirectly responsible for it. Granted, tho... The USA wasnt among those powers.
Moving on... The thing that you see on TV is the military part of the issue. Countries invaded, regimes toppled... But what happens after? I can say for Bosnia, that they are in deep shit economicaly speaking. Since the war nothing has improved, and to a large extent because practicly their entire economy is controlled by western businesses, that take all the profits and leave only enough for the basics. Not to mention that the war in Bosnia was fought mainly by the armies of the ethnic groups of Bosnia. The foreign force was more or less there to protect civilians, and failed miserably. The only foreign achievement that is notable in that war was diplomatic.
I wont lose words on Somalia. We know how succesfull THAT was.
Taiwan at present does not require any military assistance, nor has it, as far as I know.
Phillipines, ill leave that, because I dont know enough about them.
But lets get a bit farther from that... How about Chile, where the US has supported a military junta for years? How about pre-socialist Cuba with president-dictator Batista? How about Panama? Loads of examples there. And if it really was all about help, I asked before. Why arent you guys all over Africa? There is PLENTY of conflict going on there, and the only one that gets any attention whatsoever is that in Darfur and Chad.
As I said, interests. Thats the only thing that will bring the superpowers to war. Compassion my ass.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Strat, what BSE means is that whenever countries ask for American or British help, we jump in and assist. Be it Taiwan, Philippines, Bosnia, Somalia, etc...And no, we don't provide aid whenever it purely suits our interests. We provide aid when there are people in trouble. That's what America and Great Britain do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if all this moronic patriotism about "the blood of our nation" was true, it would still hardly be a compensation for the legacy of centuires of colonialism and modern day neo-colonialism. And it would definatly not be a good enough excuse for the corporate exploitation of the workforce in east Asia.
As for "whenever you are in need"... I do not know who this "you" refers to, but the fact is that the majority of the conflicts that are going on around the world never appear on our (and I suppose your) news and newspapers. If it really was about solidarity with the third world, then I guess Africa would be full of NATO troops. It isnt, tho. Western powers only interfere when their interests are in question, that is the fact of the matter.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Very good answer. The 3rd world thinks that we here in the UK and you in America contribute little to the world's suffering. That's we don't give you enough from our own pockets. That we don't share the spoils of our labour. That we don't contribute enough to assist you in your wars. That our Imperialism has done little good in the plight of the poor. For heaven's sake.....we give you the most precious posession and gift we have. Our blood. The blood of our nation whenever you're in need. And then you have the odacity to condemn us? Shame us into guilt? Belittle and betray us? What more do you want from us? Thank you. a. Hammerstein
TIMBONI wrote:
Or better said, hated by those that find out that freedom comes with a price tag. We paid for it with the lives of our own. If you can't get it done yourself, then you owe the people that gave their lives for your freedom. I'll say it again because it bears repeating . . . . NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE !
spapad wrote:
While that is true, we can not cut ourselves off. We are like the comic book hero. Feared by many, hated only by those who know we are comming for them.(Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54:02 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
In that case, be gone with you, and Im serious this time!!
And I have to go in any case... See you in the evening. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:48:32 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Something like that, I guess.
_strat_ wrote:
? Is that the redneck way of hitting on someone?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, you do have a purdy mouff......HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!!! Apology accepted. Just keep your Rednecks to yourselves, ok?
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! I apologize in the name of America!! Actually, she has made even me consider "defecting"....HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Please, do not insult the pigs. They are rather charming, smart and tasty animals.
In any case... Before yesterday, I was only against the US foreign policy. Now, I believe I hate the lot of you. You know why? Well, yesterday afternoon... I turn on the TV, to see whats on, and I see an American TV show. I cant remember the title right now, but I saw in the opening credits that the actor with the lead role is... Well, guess who? MILEY CYRUS!! And I wathc to see what this shit is all about... And within ten minutes I had a feeling like my brains are melting away and running out through my nose.
That, sir, is imperialism. We join NATO, we send troops to help you out... AND ALL YOU GIVE US IS THAT LITTLE BITCH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Imperialst pig...........
_strat_ wrote:
No. No, no, no, no. You sir are an imperialist. Be gone with you!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I never tire of that debate BUT you and I agree and that makes for a boring repartee....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Agreed :)
Well, I guess that people here had enough debating about religion. It was really big a couple of months (or maybe a year) ago.
jimmyjames wrote:
I know what you mean bro. As a rule I don't usually involve myself in anything to do with religion or politics. I just thought I'd throw that out there to see what happened. Kind of figured if it did start anything it wouldn't be that difficult to deal with as the people I'd be arguing with would be semi-deluded anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
jimmyjames wrote:
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
? Is that the redneck way of hitting on someone? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:45:23 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, you do have a purdy mouff......HAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!!! Apology accepted. Just keep your Rednecks to yourselves, ok?
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! I apologize in the name of America!! Actually, she has made even me consider "defecting"....HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Please, do not insult the pigs. They are rather charming, smart and tasty animals.
In any case... Before yesterday, I was only against the US foreign policy. Now, I believe I hate the lot of you. You know why? Well, yesterday afternoon... I turn on the TV, to see whats on, and I see an American TV show. I cant remember the title right now, but I saw in the opening credits that the actor with the lead role is... Well, guess who? MILEY CYRUS!! And I wathc to see what this shit is all about... And within ten minutes I had a feeling like my brains are melting away and running out through my nose.
That, sir, is imperialism. We join NATO, we send troops to help you out... AND ALL YOU GIVE US IS THAT LITTLE BITCH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Imperialst pig...........
_strat_ wrote:
No. No, no, no, no. You sir are an imperialist. Be gone with you!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I never tire of that debate BUT you and I agree and that makes for a boring repartee....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Agreed :)
Well, I guess that people here had enough debating about religion. It was really big a couple of months (or maybe a year) ago.
jimmyjames wrote:
I know what you mean bro. As a rule I don't usually involve myself in anything to do with religion or politics. I just thought I'd throw that out there to see what happened. Kind of figured if it did start anything it wouldn't be that difficult to deal with as the people I'd be arguing with would be semi-deluded anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
jimmyjames wrote:
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
LOL!!! Apology accepted. Just keep your Rednecks to yourselves, ok? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:42:26 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!! I apologize in the name of America!! Actually, she has made even me consider "defecting"....HAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Please, do not insult the pigs. They are rather charming, smart and tasty animals.
In any case... Before yesterday, I was only against the US foreign policy. Now, I believe I hate the lot of you. You know why? Well, yesterday afternoon... I turn on the TV, to see whats on, and I see an American TV show. I cant remember the title right now, but I saw in the opening credits that the actor with the lead role is... Well, guess who? MILEY CYRUS!! And I wathc to see what this shit is all about... And within ten minutes I had a feeling like my brains are melting away and running out through my nose.
That, sir, is imperialism. We join NATO, we send troops to help you out... AND ALL YOU GIVE US IS THAT LITTLE BITCH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Imperialst pig...........
_strat_ wrote:
No. No, no, no, no. You sir are an imperialist. Be gone with you!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I never tire of that debate BUT you and I agree and that makes for a boring repartee....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Agreed :)
Well, I guess that people here had enough debating about religion. It was really big a couple of months (or maybe a year) ago.
jimmyjames wrote:
I know what you mean bro. As a rule I don't usually involve myself in anything to do with religion or politics. I just thought I'd throw that out there to see what happened. Kind of figured if it did start anything it wouldn't be that difficult to deal with as the people I'd be arguing with would be semi-deluded anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
jimmyjames wrote:
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
Well, I believe that you are right. Russias "military" was tied to Russias "military". Or you meant something else? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:39:07 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
America and Russia always played 'cat & mouse' during the Cold War. Russia's military was directly tied to it's military for the most part. Why do you think they dissolved into near chaos at the end of the Cold War-era?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, what the Soviet and American fighters had going on over the North Pole, I dont know. I do know what socialism is in practice, and I do know that it is nothing like what is suggested so many times by people who only associate it with the Red Army parades in Moscow. And just for the record, we were not only flown over by "communist" aircraft, they actually did air raids on us back in 91. Granted, I was to young to remember it, but I still think that if we only take the military into consideration, I would have a much better reason to hate socialism than you. I dont, because the military doesnt have the slightest connection with the economic system that is socialism.
TIMBONI wrote:
Believe me, I am not fool enough to believe that all that the U.S. does outside it's borders are "good". Many times it is directly tied to profit, which would support your argument.
As for my views of Communism, yes some would be a result of "propaganda". The other portion of it came from F-16's screaming over my house to meet the Bear bombers coming over the North Pole and escort them down to the Carolina's. The next morning there would be a picture on the front page of the paper with the bomber and it's fighter escort. This happened a couple of time a month. I always knew what was happening. Normally, the fighters flew a circular pattern around the neighborhood for exercises. When it was time for business, they screamed right over the house and it shook like an earthquake.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I guess we could squeeze in a word or two about the US supported juntas and totalitarian regimes as well. Not everything that the US does outside its borders is good.
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Please, do not insult the pigs. They are rather charming, smart and tasty animals.
In any case... Before yesterday, I was only against the US foreign policy. Now, I believe I hate the lot of you. You know why? Well, yesterday afternoon... I turn on the TV, to see whats on, and I see an American TV show. I cant remember the title right now, but I saw in the opening credits that the actor with the lead role is... Well, guess who? MILEY CYRUS!! And I wathc to see what this shit is all about... And within ten minutes I had a feeling like my brains are melting away and running out through my nose.
That, sir, is imperialism. We join NATO, we send troops to help you out... AND ALL YOU GIVE US IS THAT LITTLE BITCH?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:32:46 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Imperialst pig...........
_strat_ wrote:
No. No, no, no, no. You sir are an imperialist. Be gone with you!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I never tire of that debate BUT you and I agree and that makes for a boring repartee....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Agreed :)
Well, I guess that people here had enough debating about religion. It was really big a couple of months (or maybe a year) ago.
jimmyjames wrote:
I know what you mean bro. As a rule I don't usually involve myself in anything to do with religion or politics. I just thought I'd throw that out there to see what happened. Kind of figured if it did start anything it wouldn't be that difficult to deal with as the people I'd be arguing with would be semi-deluded anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
jimmyjames wrote:
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
No. No, no, no, no. You sir are an imperialist. Be gone with you! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 7:27:59 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I never tire of that debate BUT you and I agree and that makes for a boring repartee....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Agreed :)
Well, I guess that people here had enough debating about religion. It was really big a couple of months (or maybe a year) ago.
jimmyjames wrote:
I know what you mean bro. As a rule I don't usually involve myself in anything to do with religion or politics. I just thought I'd throw that out there to see what happened. Kind of figured if it did start anything it wouldn't be that difficult to deal with as the people I'd be arguing with would be semi-deluded anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
jimmyjames wrote:
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
Just enjoying your little show. Good seat, huh ? You look like what's left of the ribs I barbequed yesterday !
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, December 28, 2008 5:53:10 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, this thread has been devoid of action for too long. Where are the Kings Minions? I want to do battle with them. Tim? GD? Guido? Anyone? Where are you, I want to kick some ass!
Just wondering... What kind of a pension scheme is there for a warrior princess? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, December 29, 2008 8:14:42 PM)
spapad wrote:
Damn 401 K plan! Being called out of retirement for this SUCKS! God! My back is killing me! Not to mention the Bunions!
HAVE AT YOU!!!!! Ooops! Just blew a Disk! Ya Happy Now!!!
_strat_ wrote:
What?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Didnt we just hit you? I swear, the artilerymen are in a world of trouble...
Anyway... Since its you were dealing with, I think this will do just fine:
guitardude wrote:
Lookin for me? You need only to call my name!! Edited at: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:54:59 PM
Ah, the Eskimos? Well, I heard that they drink seals blood (as disgusting as it may sound - it is supposedly very rich on vitamines), but seal sushi? Thats new... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 29, 2008 7:38:47 PM)
Head banger wrote:
thats where the "normal sounding food" is things like raw seal!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well, it could be worse. You could live in "Nunavut territory" (whatever that is - I still have Google Earth opened, and Im looking around a bit).
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Yes they get really bad winters .. I am sooooooooo Glad I dont live in Montana anymore.. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Wow. Youve got some serious weather there. We only got like two snowfalls this winter, which looks like it will be pretty mild.
But yeah, its really a bitch on the roads. But the worse thing is when the roads ice over. Even salting them doesnt help enough.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
LOL Yes and the county I used to live in is Under funded this year.. ( same county my brother still lives in)
And you will get almost 2 feet of snow/ice ect on the road.. and they will take 5-6 days to come out to plow it.
He has a plow on his pick-up truck.. So alot of the time he and another guy will have to put the blades down, on the main road just to get to work.. LOL
He is supposed to get 16 inches of snow overnite, today!! I dont miss any of that... and the employers expect you to be to work pronto! cant be late even,,, Now how is that poss??? when you have to drive through all that and the state doesnt even have the money to send out a snow plow so regular people can get to work... wheel drive doesnt even work that well when the snow is so deep.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
Well, I guess that people here had enough debating about religion. It was really big a couple of months (or maybe a year) ago. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:04:21 AM)
jimmyjames wrote:
I know what you mean bro. As a rule I don't usually involve myself in anything to do with religion or politics. I just thought I'd throw that out there to see what happened. Kind of figured if it did start anything it wouldn't be that difficult to deal with as the people I'd be arguing with would be semi-deluded anyway.
_strat_ wrote:
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
jimmyjames wrote:
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
Wheter Cuba is better of now makes no difference to my argument. Batista was a dictator, and the US supported him.
As for Russia and the former Soviet Union... I say they were the same as NATO when it came to foreign policy. I wouldnt dream of defending the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 29, 2008 7:45:22 PM)
Head banger wrote:
is cuba beter off now? what about all the people the comunists murdered taking over?
how many countries did russia invade?
_strat_ wrote:
I did say something about the heritage of colonialism. Now, sure Africa and certain parts of Asia were colonized a long time ago, but it wasnt until the mid 20th century that the era of colonialism ended. And it left its heritage in the systems, economy, industry, ect. I dont think that India was asking to get invaded and colonialised. So much about the European colonial powers. They did in fact start most of the shit, or are at the least indirectly responsible for it. Granted, tho... The USA wasnt among those powers.
Moving on... The thing that you see on TV is the military part of the issue. Countries invaded, regimes toppled... But what happens after? I can say for Bosnia, that they are in deep shit economicaly speaking. Since the war nothing has improved, and to a large extent because practicly their entire economy is controlled by western businesses, that take all the profits and leave only enough for the basics. Not to mention that the war in Bosnia was fought mainly by the armies of the ethnic groups of Bosnia. The foreign force was more or less there to protect civilians, and failed miserably. The only foreign achievement that is notable in that war was diplomatic.
I wont lose words on Somalia. We know how succesfull THAT was.
Taiwan at present does not require any military assistance, nor has it, as far as I know.
Phillipines, ill leave that, because I dont know enough about them.
But lets get a bit farther from that... How about Chile, where the US has supported a military junta for years? How about pre-socialist Cuba with president-dictator Batista? How about Panama? Loads of examples there. And if it really was all about help, I asked before. Why arent you guys all over Africa? There is PLENTY of conflict going on there, and the only one that gets any attention whatsoever is that in Darfur and Chad.
As I said, interests. Thats the only thing that will bring the superpowers to war. Compassion my ass.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Strat, what BSE means is that whenever countries ask for American or British help, we jump in and assist. Be it Taiwan, Philippines, Bosnia, Somalia, etc...And no, we don't provide aid whenever it purely suits our interests. We provide aid when there are people in trouble. That's what America and Great Britain do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if all this moronic patriotism about "the blood of our nation" was true, it would still hardly be a compensation for the legacy of centuires of colonialism and modern day neo-colonialism. And it would definatly not be a good enough excuse for the corporate exploitation of the workforce in east Asia.
As for "whenever you are in need"... I do not know who this "you" refers to, but the fact is that the majority of the conflicts that are going on around the world never appear on our (and I suppose your) news and newspapers. If it really was about solidarity with the third world, then I guess Africa would be full of NATO troops. It isnt, tho. Western powers only interfere when their interests are in question, that is the fact of the matter.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Very good answer. The 3rd world thinks that we here in the UK and you in America contribute little to the world's suffering. That's we don't give you enough from our own pockets. That we don't share the spoils of our labour. That we don't contribute enough to assist you in your wars. That our Imperialism has done little good in the plight of the poor. For heaven's sake.....we give you the most precious posession and gift we have. Our blood. The blood of our nation whenever you're in need. And then you have the odacity to condemn us? Shame us into guilt? Belittle and betray us? What more do you want from us? Thank you. a. Hammerstein
TIMBONI wrote:
Or better said, hated by those that find out that freedom comes with a price tag. We paid for it with the lives of our own. If you can't get it done yourself, then you owe the people that gave their lives for your freedom. I'll say it again because it bears repeating . . . . NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE !
spapad wrote:
While that is true, we can not cut ourselves off. We are like the comic book hero. Feared by many, hated only by those who know we are comming for them.(Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54:02 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Well, what the Soviet and American fighters had going on over the North Pole, I dont know. I do know what socialism is in practice, and I do know that it is nothing like what is suggested so many times by people who only associate it with the Red Army parades in Moscow. And just for the record, we were not only flown over by "communist" aircraft, they actually did air raids on us back in 91. Granted, I was to young to remember it, but I still think that if we only take the military into consideration, I would have a much better reason to hate socialism than you. I dont, because the military doesnt have the slightest connection with the economic system that is socialism.
Believe me, I am not fool enough to believe that all that the U.S. does outside it's borders are "good". Many times it is directly tied to profit, which would support your argument.
As for my views of Communism, yes some would be a result of "propaganda". The other portion of it came from F-16's screaming over my house to meet the Bear bombers coming over the North Pole and escort them down to the Carolina's. The next morning there would be a picture on the front page of the paper with the bomber and it's fighter escort. This happened a couple of time a month. I always knew what was happening. Normally, the fighters flew a circular pattern around the neighborhood for exercises. When it was time for business, they screamed right over the house and it shook like an earthquake.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I guess we could squeeze in a word or two about the US supported juntas and totalitarian regimes as well. Not everything that the US does outside its borders is good.
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Faro del Cabo de Hornos? I found a pic of it. Oh, and I believe its cold too. Its almost touching the Antarctic! Well, if Im lucky and I make enough money, ill probably go down there once! But thats what I say for every country... Ever since I loaded Google Earth, there isnt a place in the world that I wouldnt want to go to (well, maybe Iraq, for obvious reasons...). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Monday, December 29, 2008 6:51:42 PM)
adrianaec_88 wrote:
nop, I've never been there, despite it's name it's so god damn cold down there, but I've heard it's really beutiful. It's name is beause when the first arrived to those lands there was a big fire and something like that, I don't know the whole story, LOL... did you know that it's called "El Fin del Mundo" ("The End Of The World")? There u would find a lighthouse called the same way, as a monument. The name is becuase it's the is the southern place in the world with people. Really cold.
_strat_ wrote:
Yes, I just checked it on Google Earth. I never imagined Argentina is so BIG (but then again, probably because we are so small...).
Now "Tierra del Fuego"... I dont speak Spanish, but I think that means "Land of fire", right? Sure look like an interesting place. Have you ever been there?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
yes, that's right we are far away from the ecuator, but where I live, it doesn't snow, I would have to take a plane (or travel a day and a half, or maybe two in bus, and that sucks lol) to the suthern of the country, like Mendoza or Tierra del Fuego. We have many climates down here, in the south u can find snow, and in the north really tropical climates, really hot! I mean it.
For me to travel to the suoth of my country is as expensive as travel to the foreing, prices that only tourist can pay during winter.
_strat_ wrote:
all the way back?
Oh, and yeah, it would be expensive... But I thought you guys get snow when its winter over there? I mean, youre pretty far away from the ecuator, arent you?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
Ok that would be great, I just have to get a plane ticket and fly all the way back to Slovenia, yes no problem LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
Yes they get really bad winters .. I am sooooooooo Glad I dont live in Montana anymore.. LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Wow. Youve got some serious weather there. We only got like two snowfalls this winter, which looks like it will be pretty mild.
But yeah, its really a bitch on the roads. But the worse thing is when the roads ice over. Even salting them doesnt help enough.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
LOL Yes and the county I used to live in is Under funded this year.. ( same county my brother still lives in)
And you will get almost 2 feet of snow/ice ect on the road.. and they will take 5-6 days to come out to plow it.
He has a plow on his pick-up truck.. So alot of the time he and another guy will have to put the blades down, on the main road just to get to work.. LOL
He is supposed to get 16 inches of snow overnite, today!! I dont miss any of that... and the employers expect you to be to work pronto! cant be late even,,, Now how is that poss??? when you have to drive through all that and the state doesnt even have the money to send out a snow plow so regular people can get to work... wheel drive doesnt even work that well when the snow is so deep.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
Yes, I just checked it on Google Earth. I never imagined Argentina is so BIG (but then again, probably because we are so small...).
Now "Tierra del Fuego"... I dont speak Spanish, but I think that means "Land of fire", right? Sure look like an interesting place. Have you ever been there? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Monday, December 29, 2008 6:38:15 PM)
adrianaec_88 wrote:
yes, that's right we are far away from the ecuator, but where I live, it doesn't snow, I would have to take a plane (or travel a day and a half, or maybe two in bus, and that sucks lol) to the suthern of the country, like Mendoza or Tierra del Fuego. We have many climates down here, in the south u can find snow, and in the north really tropical climates, really hot! I mean it.
For me to travel to the suoth of my country is as expensive as travel to the foreing, prices that only tourist can pay during winter.
_strat_ wrote:
all the way back?
Oh, and yeah, it would be expensive... But I thought you guys get snow when its winter over there? I mean, youre pretty far away from the ecuator, arent you?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
Ok that would be great, I just have to get a plane ticket and fly all the way back to Slovenia, yes no problem LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
Wow. Youve got some serious weather there. We only got like two snowfalls this winter, which looks like it will be pretty mild.
But yeah, its really a bitch on the roads. But the worse thing is when the roads ice over. Even salting them doesnt help enough. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Monday, December 29, 2008 6:27:20 PM)
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
LOL Yes and the county I used to live in is Under funded this year.. ( same county my brother still lives in)
And you will get almost 2 feet of snow/ice ect on the road.. and they will take 5-6 days to come out to plow it.
He has a plow on his pick-up truck.. So alot of the time he and another guy will have to put the blades down, on the main road just to get to work.. LOL
He is supposed to get 16 inches of snow overnite, today!! I dont miss any of that... and the employers expect you to be to work pronto! cant be late even,,, Now how is that poss??? when you have to drive through all that and the state doesnt even have the money to send out a snow plow so regular people can get to work... wheel drive doesnt even work that well when the snow is so deep.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
Oh, and yeah, it would be expensive... But I thought you guys get snow when its winter over there? I mean, youre pretty far away from the ecuator, arent you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Monday, December 29, 2008 6:29:10 PM)
adrianaec_88 wrote:
Ok that would be great, I just have to get a plane ticket and fly all the way back to Slovenia, yes no problem LOL
_strat_ wrote:
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places?
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
ONLY SOME OF THE BASTARDS DO!....THEY CUT ANY IN MY FOREST,THEY'LL SUFFER A FATE WORSE THAN A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH!!!...EVER SEEN HELLRAISER?...
_strat_ wrote:
...I thought Canadians prefer cutting down trees to huggin them?
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
ATHEISM!....I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT! ....GET IT,DON'T BELIEVE?..............
BUT HEY,I'M PART DRUID...WE LOVE OUR TREES! ....THAT'S RIGHT!,TREE HUGGERS YOU BLOODY REPUBLICANS OUT THERE!........STAY OUT OF MY FOREST,OR ELSE!...
_strat_ wrote:
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
jimmyjames wrote:
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
Well, its cold and wet and needs to be cleared all the time. Maybe we should switch places? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by adrianaec_88 from Monday, December 29, 2008 6:14:42 PM)
adrianaec_88 wrote:
God I would really like to be there... I know u don't like snow MG, but me, I would really like to know what it's like, u know, to play in the snow and make angels in the floor LOL... also I would really like to have a white christmas.... it's summer in this side of the globe..
really nice pics MG
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
Hi guys My brother e-mailed me these 2 pics of a moose that came through yard.. look at all the snow.. OMG This was the other day, and they have gotten 14 more inches of snow since then...
But the moose is beautiful.. so I thought I would share..
ATHEISM!....I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT! ....GET IT,DON'T BELIEVE?..............
BUT HEY,I'M PART DRUID...WE LOVE OUR TREES! ....THAT'S RIGHT!,TREE HUGGERS YOU BLOODY REPUBLICANS OUT THERE!........STAY OUT OF MY FOREST,OR ELSE!...
_strat_ wrote:
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
jimmyjames wrote:
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
Congratulations, MG! Remeber your duties as an aunt! In my case, it was my uncle that introduced me to heavy metal. Make sure she doesnt grow up listening to Backstreet boys.
Oh, and a more minor congrat to Freeze... The lucky bastard!
Well, we used to have 10% abroad, but not so much, because the public is against it.
Anyway, I used Africa as an example that its about interests, not compassion. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 29, 2008 8:01:02 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Well, first of all, even our vast countries have limited resources. fact is, there are troops in africa, central america, asia, etc. but, like I said we (combined rich nations) only have so many troops. Canada, has 1/3 of its troops overseas, be it afganistan, cyprus, or wherever. are there places that need more help, sure. we do the best we can. Africa though, quite frankly most of that is beynd help IMO
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if all this moronic patriotism about "the blood of our nation" was true, it would still hardly be a compensation for the legacy of centuires of colonialism and modern day neo-colonialism. And it would definatly not be a good enough excuse for the corporate exploitation of the workforce in east Asia.
As for "whenever you are in need"... I do not know who this "you" refers to, but the fact is that the majority of the conflicts that are going on around the world never appear on our (and I suppose your) news and newspapers. If it really was about solidarity with the third world, then I guess Africa would be full of NATO troops. It isnt, tho. Western powers only interfere when their interests are in question, that is the fact of the matter.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Very good answer. The 3rd world thinks that we here in the UK and you in America contribute little to the world's suffering. That's we don't give you enough from our own pockets. That we don't share the spoils of our labour. That we don't contribute enough to assist you in your wars. That our Imperialism has done little good in the plight of the poor. For heaven's sake.....we give you the most precious posession and gift we have. Our blood. The blood of our nation whenever you're in need. And then you have the odacity to condemn us? Shame us into guilt? Belittle and betray us? What more do you want from us? Thank you. a. Hammerstein
TIMBONI wrote:
Or better said, hated by those that find out that freedom comes with a price tag. We paid for it with the lives of our own. If you can't get it done yourself, then you owe the people that gave their lives for your freedom. I'll say it again because it bears repeating . . . . NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE !
spapad wrote:
While that is true, we can not cut ourselves off. We are like the comic book hero. Feared by many, hated only by those who know we are comming for them.(Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54:02 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Id be carefull with that. There are people around here (or at least there were) that would give you shit just for being an Atheist, and even more so for attacking Christianity.
But other than that, I think you hit the nail on the head.
Especially when God or Gods of any type don't exist. How the hell, in this day and age, can people expect to be taken seriously when they spend their time praying to some non-existant deity. Even going to church once a week for an hour, what's that about? Crazy, meaningless rituals that are based on the fact that people can't face their own mortality. Losers.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG What the HELL is going on over in LONDON !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Geesh..
I wish people could just get over this entire religious thing!!!!! Who cares what religion you are!
So long as you are a kind good hearted individual, with good intentions, ... I mean its ridiculous the amount of
Violence and hardship this causes... I have meet so many people that I adore in this world.. I could care less what religion they are, that is thier personel buisness...
I think its sad, that people base the value of another person because of this.. Esp because alot of people are born, into different religions and continue to follow that religion because of thier heritage...
Anywase my Rant for the day!
MG~
I did say something about the heritage of colonialism. Now, sure Africa and certain parts of Asia were colonized a long time ago, but it wasnt until the mid 20th century that the era of colonialism ended. And it left its heritage in the systems, economy, industry, ect. I dont think that India was asking to get invaded and colonialised. So much about the European colonial powers. They did in fact start most of the shit, or are at the least indirectly responsible for it. Granted, tho... The USA wasnt among those powers.
Moving on... The thing that you see on TV is the military part of the issue. Countries invaded, regimes toppled... But what happens after? I can say for Bosnia, that they are in deep shit economicaly speaking. Since the war nothing has improved, and to a large extent because practicly their entire economy is controlled by western businesses, that take all the profits and leave only enough for the basics. Not to mention that the war in Bosnia was fought mainly by the armies of the ethnic groups of Bosnia. The foreign force was more or less there to protect civilians, and failed miserably. The only foreign achievement that is notable in that war was diplomatic.
I wont lose words on Somalia. We know how succesfull THAT was.
Taiwan at present does not require any military assistance, nor has it, as far as I know.
Phillipines, ill leave that, because I dont know enough about them.
But lets get a bit farther from that... How about Chile, where the US has supported a military junta for years? How about pre-socialist Cuba with president-dictator Batista? How about Panama? Loads of examples there. And if it really was all about help, I asked before. Why arent you guys all over Africa? There is PLENTY of conflict going on there, and the only one that gets any attention whatsoever is that in Darfur and Chad.
As I said, interests. Thats the only thing that will bring the superpowers to war. Compassion my ass.
Strat, what BSE means is that whenever countries ask for American or British help, we jump in and assist. Be it Taiwan, Philippines, Bosnia, Somalia, etc...And no, we don't provide aid whenever it purely suits our interests. We provide aid when there are people in trouble. That's what America and Great Britain do.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, even if all this moronic patriotism about "the blood of our nation" was true, it would still hardly be a compensation for the legacy of centuires of colonialism and modern day neo-colonialism. And it would definatly not be a good enough excuse for the corporate exploitation of the workforce in east Asia.
As for "whenever you are in need"... I do not know who this "you" refers to, but the fact is that the majority of the conflicts that are going on around the world never appear on our (and I suppose your) news and newspapers. If it really was about solidarity with the third world, then I guess Africa would be full of NATO troops. It isnt, tho. Western powers only interfere when their interests are in question, that is the fact of the matter.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Very good answer. The 3rd world thinks that we here in the UK and you in America contribute little to the world's suffering. That's we don't give you enough from our own pockets. That we don't share the spoils of our labour. That we don't contribute enough to assist you in your wars. That our Imperialism has done little good in the plight of the poor. For heaven's sake.....we give you the most precious posession and gift we have. Our blood. The blood of our nation whenever you're in need. And then you have the odacity to condemn us? Shame us into guilt? Belittle and betray us? What more do you want from us? Thank you. a. Hammerstein
TIMBONI wrote:
Or better said, hated by those that find out that freedom comes with a price tag. We paid for it with the lives of our own. If you can't get it done yourself, then you owe the people that gave their lives for your freedom. I'll say it again because it bears repeating . . . . NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE !
spapad wrote:
While that is true, we can not cut ourselves off. We are like the comic book hero. Feared by many, hated only by those who know we are comming for them.(Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54:02 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Well, even if all this moronic patriotism about "the blood of our nation" was true, it would still hardly be a compensation for the legacy of centuires of colonialism and modern day neo-colonialism. And it would definatly not be a good enough excuse for the corporate exploitation of the workforce in east Asia.
As for "whenever you are in need"... I do not know who this "you" refers to, but the fact is that the majority of the conflicts that are going on around the world never appear on our (and I suppose your) news and newspapers. If it really was about solidarity with the third world, then I guess Africa would be full of NATO troops. It isnt, tho. Western powers only interfere when their interests are in question, that is the fact of the matter. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Monday, December 29, 2008 1:26:54 AM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Very good answer. The 3rd world thinks that we here in the UK and you in America contribute little to the world's suffering. That's we don't give you enough from our own pockets. That we don't share the spoils of our labour. That we don't contribute enough to assist you in your wars. That our Imperialism has done little good in the plight of the poor. For heaven's sake.....we give you the most precious posession and gift we have. Our blood. The blood of our nation whenever you're in need. And then you have the odacity to condemn us? Shame us into guilt? Belittle and betray us? What more do you want from us? Thank you. a. Hammerstein
TIMBONI wrote:
Or better said, hated by those that find out that freedom comes with a price tag. We paid for it with the lives of our own. If you can't get it done yourself, then you owe the people that gave their lives for your freedom. I'll say it again because it bears repeating . . . . NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE !
spapad wrote:
While that is true, we can not cut ourselves off. We are like the comic book hero. Feared by many, hated only by those who know we are comming for them.(Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54:02 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Ok, this thread has been devoid of action for too long. Where are the Kings Minions? I want to do battle with them. Tim? GD? Guido? Anyone? Where are you, I want to kick some ass!
Then I guess that the managers shouldnt bother with outsourcing in the first place.
The thing with rights above all takes organization and determination from those that need them. I dont know why dont the workers in the third world countries get organized and do it, but if they did, I can assure you that the stuff that goes on now with sweatsop and legal slave labour would have been washed away so soon you wouldnt even beleive it. And that would have been the right thing to do as well. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, December 28, 2008 10:45:58 AM)
Head banger wrote:
they cant get paid the same though, otherwise how would you pay to ship the products to north america and europe? and if you dont make more, why do it? I agree with the rights thing, but it takes time. Japan in the 50's was like that, by the 90's they had one of the highest standards of living around.
_strat_ wrote:
I wouldnt know about how bad they are. But the money that is saved with outsourcing is an indicator that people that do the jons overseas are terribly underpaid. Not to mention that they dont enjoy the same labour rights as we do.
Head banger wrote:
but, are they not beter off with those jobs than the no jobs they had before hand, no farms, no hope. at least its some hope. not perfect, but a start. some of the sweatshops need a kick in the ass, but most overseas jobs are not that bad.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
I wouldnt know about how bad they are. But the money that is saved with outsourcing is an indicator that people that do the jons overseas are terribly underpaid. Not to mention that they dont enjoy the same labour rights as we do. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:22:23 PM)
Head banger wrote:
but, are they not beter off with those jobs than the no jobs they had before hand, no farms, no hope. at least its some hope. not perfect, but a start. some of the sweatshops need a kick in the ass, but most overseas jobs are not that bad.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
see, we dont always disagree. I too have a beach then water that is in a form that can be walked upon by mere mortals
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe in California it is. With our temperatures, Id have to bring an icepick to the beach.
TIMBONI wrote:
Dive right in, the water's fine. Everyone has something to say and it all counts equally in my book. I think you summed it up perfectly if I'm reading you right. Creative mind + quality product = success ( reward ) Simple math to me.
Well, I guess we could squeeze in a word or two about the US supported juntas and totalitarian regimes as well. Not everything that the US does outside its borders is good. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54:02 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Hurrah ! Another one of my pet peeves. The world seems to want to spite us, but when the "pit bull" is needed they don't hesitate to call or even blame us for not forseeing the need even if the call never came ! Protect the world, feed the world, but leave the world alone. NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE ! If the world wants to be left alone, leave the U.S. out of it and stop asking us to give "life and limb" for you and then spit on us and tell us to get out.
spapad wrote:
A very interesting point of view from a place I have never been. You see, americans are dreadfuly aware that we live in a free country and we boast of it all the time, and go to other countries and generally make asses out of ourselves.
I have been abroad, like many of my friends on this site, and it is sad to find out that our aspect of us as Americans is seen so diffterent around the world becuase of our foreign policy mostly. We Americans don't know our foreign policy, we just live and watch news, that is slanted to our view.
We are also though, not to my happiness, the world's Pit Bull. ...........Something going on no one wants to get their hands dirty with but wants the job done, well, Hell Yeah~! Call the U.S. of A.!
With that said!
Yes we are blissfully ignorant about some things!
Yes we are obnoxious!
Yes we are proud even where others think we should not be!
BUT We as a collective, are a great country just like yours and any other country. I BIG PLACE built by idividuals who stand as a whole.
Love to all!(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:33:49 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
I agree, they are not interchangable, and my mistake if I sometimes use them like they are. Communism: a classless, stateless society, with no private ownership over the means of production, and also an ideology that strives for that. Socialism: a movement that includes communism, anarchism, social democracy, and other similar ideologies. Thats how I generaly define and use the terms. And yes, ideology and real life practice are very different. Thats why I often say that the so-called communist countries arent and werent communist.
Now to our elections... As I pointed out, the parties that appeared on the elections were those that were on the winning side in the war. The right wing parties collaborated with the axis, and I see that as a good enough reason as to why they shouldnt be let to participate on those elections. Hell, they shouldnt participate in any elections since. It is well known what happened to Yugoslavia when the right wing nationalists came back to power in the late 80s.
I said "propaganda" because I think that much of what you say about communism comes from the anti-communist propaganda that is and was rampant in the US. No hard feelings, its just an impression that I get.
As for the creativity and weapons... While creating and designing weapons may be creative, we still have to keep in mind the purpose behind it. The AK-47 and the M-16 assault rifles are not hunting weapons. They were made with killing humans as their purpose, as is the case with nuclear weapons. Nuclear energy itself is not a military thing. It can be used for many purposes. But nuclear weapons really only have one purpose.
As for the nuclear bombing of Japan, I cant really say much. I dont know much about the war in the pacific, although I guess it could succed without nukes, or maybe by dropping them on military instead of civilian targets. IDK. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:50:39 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Ideology and real life practice are very far apart and we both know it. You also seem to use the terms Communism and Socialism interchangeably. They are not the same.
Let's see. The parties in the election were, as you stated, the Communitst Party, Social Democrates and Christian Socialists. Doesn't sound like much of a choice and the results were as to be expected. I think if you look around, you will find that those margins are to be expected in an "election" in which the Communist Party is a participant.
"Propaganda" ? I don't recall using that word. You're revealing yourself Comrade !
I agree on the subject of weapons being a waste of time, however the actual creativity that I love is usually not at that level. Normally, the creativity is in the theory not the application. Splitting the atom and nuclear power was genius. The military application is another matter. Let me pose this to you. Being that most people cannot see into the future, aside from Nostradamus ( nice little Priest reference ! ), how do you see the dropping of the atomic bombs in Japan ? Did they help to end a war that was unprovoked by a surprise attack ? Was it the mis-use of a creative vision ? Something other ?
_strat_ wrote:
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow.
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Now thats a thought... Nah. We only do that for minor offenses. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:22:52 PM)
spapad wrote:
Timbo, well said! I enjoyed every word of that!
Strat, as for the Justin Timberlake punishment. May I opt for death by bamboo shoots being inserted under my fingernails?
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Communism as a political ideology actualy supports full democratic decision making in regards to how busineses should be run. It is in the Manifesto, and has been advocated (although admitedly not actualy carried out as it should have been) by all socialist regimes so far.
And that was not a joke. I do not know the details for other parts of Yugoslavia (although it is a fact that the elections took place in all republics and both autonomous provinces), but in Slovenia the elections were held on the 11th November 1945. The parties were those that were on the winning side in WW2, and included the Communist Party, the Social Democrats and the Christian Socialists. Although I do not remeber the exact percentage of the vote, the Communist party won with well over 50% (come to think of it, it was higher even than that). Also, they were the first elections in our history where women were allowed to vote.
Do not think for a minute that just because you live in a so called "free country", that there is no propaganda. Infact the anti-communist propaganda in the USA is something that even Goebbels would have been proud of.
Moving on... As far as Im concerned, any minute spent on designing, manufacturing and above all using weapons is a minute wasted. Shame that the people who do it always think that they should use it as well, making us all inseczre and threatened.
And unions... Was it their idea? Did they come up with it? Not bloody likely. What I find much more likely is that the CEOs and managers didnt want to give up what would have been a small part of their spoils, and instead moved the factories to China.
And as I said, creativity can be good or bad, depending on how we use it, so I agree on the atomic energy bit.
Accordingly can be difficult to decide, I know. I like to compare it to freedom. You only get as much as you can without interfering in somebody elses. I guess this should apply to dealing the profit as well? That is something that should be thought on. Though right now not by me, because I will be going to bed shortly. So, if I am MIA, that means good night, and see you tomorrow. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:11:20 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
" Blue collar " is a term used to describe the working class. The "get your hands dirty" portion of the workforce.
Elections ? That's funny ! You always have that sense of humor. I think that aside from knowing our history, we need a little more realism and honesty. Communism has NEVER supported open and honest elections.
"Lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requirement for the musician to make good music" ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED.
Kalashnikov's design of the AK-47 was extremely creative. A "blue collar" weapon and deserving of all the credit he has received. It's influence being positive or negative is perspective.
This is where we disagree the most. Creativity is EVERYTHING. It is ideas . . . invention . . . something from nothing ! Atomic energy was an amazing discovery that has changed the world, both for better and worse. It creates power for lighting, heat, etc. It also has the power to take lives. The idea has no contribution until the user decides how to use it.
Now to "how it is used": outsourcing. We have come full circle. UNIONS ! Unions created outsourcing. They created an atmosphere where there is no loyalty ( yes, I already know the return fire but if we are at unions we are beyond the point prior to their creation ) The pendulum swung the other direction and the employees ( unions ) became the ogre in the workplace "creating" the necessity to find a cheaper workforce in order to supply the same product at an affordable price. It's a vicious circle. The worker wants more to afford wants, the company charges more for the goods to pay the employee, the prices of goods go up and worker want more to afford them, etc . . .
Lastly, I would like to know what you consider accordingly and who decides that ? Here, the market decides. If one is willing to pay for it, it is "accordingly". If the market considers it out of line, purchases cease and the product either dies or the price is adjusted to suit the willingness of the consumer to buy.
_strat_ wrote:
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly.
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
I am mercifull. I will let you off with only a fifth of the punishment. You will only listen to Justin Timberlake CDs... And youll be loving it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:01:49 PM)
spapad wrote:
Im on my knees sir! .................PLEASE! Have Mercy!..................Not the N'Sync CDs! ARRRRGGGHHHHH!!! Anihilated!
_strat_ wrote:
Its "The Great Socialist Federal Soviet Democratic Peoples Republic of Judas Priest", for your information.
Now, of to the gulag with you... "Guards, prepare the N´Sync CDs!"
Its "The Great Socialist Federal Soviet Democratic Peoples Republic of Judas Priest", for your information.
Now, of to the gulag with you... "Guards, prepare the N´Sync CDs!" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:55:41 PM)
Maybe in California it is. With our temperatures, Id have to bring an icepick to the beach. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 6:51:33 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Dive right in, the water's fine. Everyone has something to say and it all counts equally in my book. I think you summed it up perfectly if I'm reading you right. Creative mind + quality product = success ( reward ) Simple math to me.
First of all, could you please explain "blue collar"? First time I hear of that term.
Well, the communist party had a very wide public support, that was expressed in very well documented and trasparent elections right after WW2, and with the popluar support during the war itself. But I think its better that we leave this subject behind. Im sure that we each know the history of our nations.
As for Priest, I dont exactly know how they actualy do business. I know how business is done in my area of expertise, and Im coming out of that position. Tho I will say that lavishly rewarding the musician is not a requierment for the musician to make good music.
Ok, creativity... First of all we need to make clear what creativity are we talking about. Mikhail Kalashnikov was very creative and inovative when he designed the AK-47, but that doesnt necesarily mean that his invention was a positive contribution to the humanity. Infact, it was quite the opposite, as is with practicly every weapon that was, is, or will be designed. What Im basicly trying to say is that creativity is not an inherently good thing. It entirely depends on how it is used and for what. A business example: outsourcing. I guess that when ot first came along it was creative. Move the work to somewhere where its cheaper, save money, higher profits, the CEO bags more money in rewards. Workers in developed countries lost their jobs, while workers in 3rd world countries got jobs... That are more similar to slavery than employment.
Sure creativity can be used for "good", or so to speak, but we must be carefull about what is good, for whom and why is it good. And reward it accordingly, instead of lavishly. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 27, 2008 5:59:42 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
I have to say that this is incredibly interesting to see how the same subject is viewed from different perspectives. I understand your point about the work environment being created by and serving the community without the need for an individuals desires for greatness. It's a very "blue collar" view as we would call it.
I'm not exactly so sure that the entrance and exit of communism was as voluntary as you would like to believe and there are ALWAYS foreign governments influencing EVERYTHING. No matter what country you are in. Even here.
As for the Priest, I give them far more credit than you. I'm no expert, but I've played "the game" at the elementary level. At this point in their career, the record company had better be the ones serving them or they have done something drastically wrong. Look at Rob. He has made bold moves to gain as much control of his "product" as possible. Look at how he distributes his music, mostly via download eliminating the "middle man".
The one thing I think you are not allowing to enter the equation is creativity. This is one of the primary aspects of a capitalist economy and that is why it can be so richly rewarded.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music.
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
The company could have grown and it could have developed into a much better and fairer company than it is without Gates calling the shots in the first place. I understand that he is a good computer programmer. All fine and well. Imo, he should do that job and get his fair share for it. Thats it.
The thing is (as I believe I also said before) that the entire structure of any company (not just Microsoft or GM) is wrong, as is the entire economic system.
The thing about people that have skill in runnig things is... Yes they are limited. But good people are limited in any proffesion. Why is it that only the people that can run things get so much, as opposed to others? Well, because they run things. But why arent they limited in running things? Well, fuck knows. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 27, 2008 11:27:53 AM)
Head banger wrote:
leaving aside the fact that no one (well almost no one) likes windows
replace gates early on, you get no where. everyone else loses their jobs. Replace gates today, dunno, might go ok. then again, to do that you have to hire someone from outside, someone with experience running a huge company, and with the skills to keep it going. they probably need a lot of programing knowledge also. take one of the department or product managers, make him CEO, and it wont work. I would give it a 1% chance.
we go back to supply and demand. the people with the skills, training, drive and ambition to be a major CEO are limited.just as gold is more expensive than iron, that which is rare is in demand.
_strat_ wrote:
...doing bussines as usual? Only of course, someone would pick up where Gates left, and they would be in the same situation.
Tho, of course, Gates can be credited with ideas that helped make Microsoft what it is today (for better or for worse). But again... The same question we went over and over again. Is he entitled to such a fortune just for the work he did? I dont think so.
Head banger wrote:
sure, but without gates, where are they? without any of the workers, he hires a different worker.
its not all about him, but he is a large chunk of it.
_strat_ wrote:
I would imagine that he employed them as he went along. The fact here is that Microsoft (the name is allegedly inspired from Bill Gatess genitals) is an international corporation, that has its subsidiaries in practicly every country in the world, and does more than just develop new crap, but sells it, promotes it, provides service for it... ect. Even though Gates may have had the idea and did work in his field, there is still much more to Microsoft than just what he does or did.
Head banger wrote:
but he didnt have legions of workers. and if it sucks, he must be briliant to convince everyone to buy it.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah right. The guy makes a new system that is exactly like the old one, except it crashes more often, and thats why he should get billions. And of course, he has legions of employees all over the world that do his bidding for him.
He is a hypocrate, thats what he is.
Head banger wrote:
bill gates, and he gave it all away!
_strat_ wrote:
True, but wealth that is created by whom?
Head banger wrote:
no. for the poor to have more doesnt nessesarily reduce what the rich have.
and for the rich to have less, wont give the poor less. you see the pool of money which we draw from is not a set number. it varies with the wealth that is created
_strat_ wrote:
Both. One goes with the other, doesnt it?
Head banger wrote:
strat, do you want the poor to have more or the rich to have less?
Well, he did pose as me for a while and acted like a troll while doing it. But since hes gone back to normal, I guess there is a chance that he will stay like that. But I will hold my welcomes for a while. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 27, 2008 4:24:08 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well strat, I have not seen 'Toast causing any problems at all. Created a rather funny Thread poking fun at me and I have no problem with that. He seems to behave himself and plays nice with the rest of us so I want to go on record right now as welcoming him. He has given me no reason to doubt his intentions.
Welcome to our insane gang, 'Toast.
_strat_ wrote:
All fine and well, but thats two accounts that are banned from that sucker. I suspect that he has a third under the name "Judas Toast". But then again, he didnt do much shitdisturbing from that one, so I guess that isnt a problem... Yet.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh MAN!!! Look at all the BANNED messages! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, MURRAY!!! (Oops! Am I allowed to use his name?? HA!!!) Another blow against cowards and stupidity! HAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! Losers beware! Your days are numbered. Your time is up. You are exposed! Cover thy shame and slink wretchedly back to the pit of disease and filth from whence you were spawned!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your words are not important. You existence is not acknowledged!
Of all the things I see that happpen on this Board, none is more satisfying than exposing a loser! Once again, the fine membership of Judas Priest.com are triumphant. We bask today in the glow of success, having seen the ridicule and shame wrought upon the undignified and lowly. Babble on if you will cowards, but you are known. You are watched. You are DONE!
...doing bussines as usual? Only of course, someone would pick up where Gates left, and they would be in the same situation.
Tho, of course, Gates can be credited with ideas that helped make Microsoft what it is today (for better or for worse). But again... The same question we went over and over again. Is he entitled to such a fortune just for the work he did? I dont think so. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 26, 2008 9:55:55 PM)
Head banger wrote:
sure, but without gates, where are they? without any of the workers, he hires a different worker.
its not all about him, but he is a large chunk of it.
_strat_ wrote:
I would imagine that he employed them as he went along. The fact here is that Microsoft (the name is allegedly inspired from Bill Gatess genitals) is an international corporation, that has its subsidiaries in practicly every country in the world, and does more than just develop new crap, but sells it, promotes it, provides service for it... ect. Even though Gates may have had the idea and did work in his field, there is still much more to Microsoft than just what he does or did.
Head banger wrote:
but he didnt have legions of workers. and if it sucks, he must be briliant to convince everyone to buy it.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah right. The guy makes a new system that is exactly like the old one, except it crashes more often, and thats why he should get billions. And of course, he has legions of employees all over the world that do his bidding for him.
He is a hypocrate, thats what he is.
Head banger wrote:
bill gates, and he gave it all away!
_strat_ wrote:
True, but wealth that is created by whom?
Head banger wrote:
no. for the poor to have more doesnt nessesarily reduce what the rich have.
and for the rich to have less, wont give the poor less. you see the pool of money which we draw from is not a set number. it varies with the wealth that is created
_strat_ wrote:
Both. One goes with the other, doesnt it?
Head banger wrote:
strat, do you want the poor to have more or the rich to have less?
DF, MM... Thank you very much for making me starve to death. Because I dont think I will ever be able to eat another bite after reading the last few posts.
All fine and well, but thats two accounts that are banned from that sucker. I suspect that he has a third under the name "Judas Toast". But then again, he didnt do much shitdisturbing from that one, so I guess that isnt a problem... Yet. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 27, 2008 8:27:56 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh MAN!!! Look at all the BANNED messages! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! WELL DONE, MURRAY!!! (Oops! Am I allowed to use his name?? HA!!!) Another blow against cowards and stupidity! HAAAAAAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! Losers beware! Your days are numbered. Your time is up. You are exposed! Cover thy shame and slink wretchedly back to the pit of disease and filth from whence you were spawned!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your words are not important. You existence is not acknowledged!
Of all the things I see that happpen on this Board, none is more satisfying than exposing a loser! Once again, the fine membership of Judas Priest.com are triumphant. We bask today in the glow of success, having seen the ridicule and shame wrought upon the undignified and lowly. Babble on if you will cowards, but you are known. You are watched. You are DONE!
I would imagine that he employed them as he went along. The fact here is that Microsoft (the name is allegedly inspired from Bill Gatess genitals) is an international corporation, that has its subsidiaries in practicly every country in the world, and does more than just develop new crap, but sells it, promotes it, provides service for it... ect. Even though Gates may have had the idea and did work in his field, there is still much more to Microsoft than just what he does or did. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, December 25, 2008 6:16:23 PM)
Head banger wrote:
but he didnt have legions of workers. and if it sucks, he must be briliant to convince everyone to buy it.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah right. The guy makes a new system that is exactly like the old one, except it crashes more often, and thats why he should get billions. And of course, he has legions of employees all over the world that do his bidding for him.
He is a hypocrate, thats what he is.
Head banger wrote:
bill gates, and he gave it all away!
_strat_ wrote:
True, but wealth that is created by whom?
Head banger wrote:
no. for the poor to have more doesnt nessesarily reduce what the rich have.
and for the rich to have less, wont give the poor less. you see the pool of money which we draw from is not a set number. it varies with the wealth that is created
_strat_ wrote:
Both. One goes with the other, doesnt it?
Head banger wrote:
strat, do you want the poor to have more or the rich to have less?
While I do appreciate that you have managed to take a pause from the World of Warcraft and HALO for long enough to come and enlighten us, I would still recomend you to look into the following article that might just help you in pulling your head out of your ass:
I do exist you asshole! Jimmy 7 do you do 7 year old boys!
jimmy7 wrote:
EVERYBOBY LISTEN....!!!!!!
IGNORE THIS BASTARD...........AS IF HE DOESN'T EXIST!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS THE WORST PUNISHMENT FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!
YOU DON'T EXIST ...................!!!!!!!!BUTTHEAD!!!!!!!!!
In any case, Its getting late, so good night and see you all tomorrow. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:42:54 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
I've hit the button many times!!!!!I hope others will too!!!!!!!MURRAY..........KICK HIM OUT OF HERE PLEASE!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Sure. Murray, the guy that takes care of this website. Like I said in the Blah, just hit the "report offensive message" button, and Murray will review it. If we step together and put in as many reports as we can, its a matter of hours before the asshole in question will be banned,
jimmy7 wrote:
DO WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR HERE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS IDIOT????
spapad wrote:
Jimmy, I believe the case in point here is that thing must have been hatched not born to anyone. That is all I will say on the sad subject of Dr. Jeckle, Mr. Hyde.
jimmy7 wrote:
YOU ARE SO FUCKING ..........IDIOT!!!!!!!!!I BET YOUR MOM DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.........SHE MUST BE SO ASHAMED OF WHAT YOU HAVE BECOME!!!!
Sure. Murray, the guy that takes care of this website. Like I said in the Blah, just hit the "report offensive message" button, and Murray will review it. If we step together and put in as many reports as we can, its a matter of hours before the asshole in question will be banned, [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:33:23 PM)
jimmy7 wrote:
DO WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR HERE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS IDIOT????
spapad wrote:
Jimmy, I believe the case in point here is that thing must have been hatched not born to anyone. That is all I will say on the sad subject of Dr. Jeckle, Mr. Hyde.
jimmy7 wrote:
YOU ARE SO FUCKING ..........IDIOT!!!!!!!!!I BET YOUR MOM DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU.........SHE MUST BE SO ASHAMED OF WHAT YOU HAVE BECOME!!!!
Oh, if it isnt my former impersonator! Merry Christmas and fuck off. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Judas Toast from Thursday, December 25, 2008 3:54:53 PM)
Judas Toast wrote:
tattle tale!
he he he heeeeeeeee !!!
Merry Christmas everyone!
_strat_ wrote:
Agreed, and it also has to be said that he has at least two accounts. Big jack and War machine. Well, Ive reported both as offensive. Lets just wait and see. Im sure we wont have to wait long.
Deep Freeze wrote:
pathetic (adj) : pitifully inferior or inadequate. Marked by melancholy or sorrow
Now then, having more accurately defined the word, shall we look more closely at the behavior before we use it? Writing a poem is pathetic?? AH! Such a sage you are, lawn dwarf! Perhaps an examination of behavior is really in order?? I should think being a coward that preys on women online while hiding behind a computer is a much more fitting description of pathetic, no? Of course , to completely understand what I am saying would require at least minimal intelligence and some sort of education and I fear we are not dealing with such a person at this point. One should always truly understand the meaning of the words one chooses to use in a public forum, lest one find himself being ridiculed. I assume you are used to that, though. Wonderful laughing at you, lawn dwarf. How proud your parents must be!
Big Jack wrote:
Corny no you need a life! Nothing better to do than think of switching words for a web site PATHETIC!
spapad wrote:
Twas the night before christmas and all through the board
Not a creature was stiring, not even the Guid
The Metal was hung on the thread with care
Hoping St. Rob would soon be there
The bloggers were snuggled in their beds
while visions of Priest played in their heads
The Sinful thread Silent , the Blah also had no chatter
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter
I sprang from my computer to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash
Tore open the window and threw out the sash
The moon on the breast of the new fallen snow
gave the luster of midday from the truck lights below.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a Mack truck and my favorite band with their gear!
They played Nostradamus so lively and quick
I knew in a moment I must be delusional and sick
More rapid than eagles the solos they came
And Rob whipped them, and shouted, and called them by name
Now KK, Now Glenn, Now Ian and Scott!
It's Christmas Night and we're playin' it hot!
To the top of the volume! To the top of it All!
Now, Play away, Play away, Play away ALL!
Cant get any cornier than that! LOL
Goodnight Metal Family,
Merry Chirstmas! Edited at: Thursday, December 25, 2008 12:07:52 AM
Agreed, and it also has to be said that he has at least two accounts. Big jack and War machine. Well, Ive reported both as offensive. Lets just wait and see. Im sure we wont have to wait long. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 25, 2008 1:32:50 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
pathetic (adj) : pitifully inferior or inadequate. Marked by melancholy or sorrow
Now then, having more accurately defined the word, shall we look more closely at the behavior before we use it? Writing a poem is pathetic?? AH! Such a sage you are, lawn dwarf! Perhaps an examination of behavior is really in order?? I should think being a coward that preys on women online while hiding behind a computer is a much more fitting description of pathetic, no? Of course , to completely understand what I am saying would require at least minimal intelligence and some sort of education and I fear we are not dealing with such a person at this point. One should always truly understand the meaning of the words one chooses to use in a public forum, lest one find himself being ridiculed. I assume you are used to that, though. Wonderful laughing at you, lawn dwarf. How proud your parents must be!
Big Jack wrote:
Corny no you need a life! Nothing better to do than think of switching words for a web site PATHETIC!
spapad wrote:
Twas the night before christmas and all through the board
Not a creature was stiring, not even the Guid
The Metal was hung on the thread with care
Hoping St. Rob would soon be there
The bloggers were snuggled in their beds
while visions of Priest played in their heads
The Sinful thread Silent , the Blah also had no chatter
When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter
I sprang from my computer to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash
Tore open the window and threw out the sash
The moon on the breast of the new fallen snow
gave the luster of midday from the truck lights below.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a Mack truck and my favorite band with their gear!
They played Nostradamus so lively and quick
I knew in a moment I must be delusional and sick
More rapid than eagles the solos they came
And Rob whipped them, and shouted, and called them by name
Now KK, Now Glenn, Now Ian and Scott!
It's Christmas Night and we're playin' it hot!
To the top of the volume! To the top of it All!
Now, Play away, Play away, Play away ALL!
Cant get any cornier than that! LOL
Goodnight Metal Family,
Merry Chirstmas! Edited at: Thursday, December 25, 2008 12:07:52 AM
I would suggest that you and everyone else just hits the "report offensive message" button. That way we will be rid of that idiot very soon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by jimmy7 from Thursday, December 25, 2008 7:06:49 AM)
jimmy7 wrote:
I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CHANGE YOUR NAME FROM WAR.....TO LONELY BULLSHIT TYPING MACHINE!!!!IT SUITES YOU PERFECTLY!!!!! AND ONE WISH FOR YOU......METAL UP YOUR ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, I still think that it is very much correct. The enviroment is created by all the people that work for it. A company would not be able to hire new employees, if it wasnt for the old employees making enough profit to make it possible. Now, I know that it had to start somewhere, with some guy who just started a business and employed an assistant, or something similar, but the further we go from there, the more alienated the leadership will become with the rest of the employees. My work enviroment was not created by the CEO of my company. It was created by the people that worked in a particular section of the company that decided that they need another employee to get the work done. And with my work I am repaying for it.
Now, you totaly missed the next point. We went under "communist control" as you put it, volountarily, just as we left it volountarily, in both cases with certain sacrifices and a strong popular support, without the intervention of "foreign governments". But that is beside the point, really. What I was trying to illustrate is that there are alternatives to capitalist mode of production, and we had one of it, that was working well. Most of the companies that still form the bulk of our economy today were not created in private hands. They were created in a socialist, state-planned economy. They were created not because of "one mans dream of greatness" or anything like that. They were established when and where there was need for them, and they were developed and expanded accordingly. And more importantly, they were not created by one man that would make great risks or sacrifices. They were made collectively, and served the entire society, instead of one mans pocket. Im also absolutely sure that we are not the only such example. They can be found all over the former eastern bloc, even in the "evil empire", the former USSR. Now, say what you want about communism and red scare, and stuff like that, but that aproach to economy is better than just letting the busineses to do what they want, and then throw billions at them when they are in trouble.
If anything, Judas Priest serve a corporation that is their record company, and it is exactly because of the greed of the record companies that we have to pay such ridiculously high prices for the music. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:03:36 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Unfortunately, it would be the fifth time you have incorrectly pointed out that. It is NOT the poor that have created the environment in which they work. It is the "rich" or at least someone who is able to "risk" that has done that. You claim is was not the CEO that took the risk. In some instances you are correct, in others you are not. How big of a company are we speaking ? In most of the environments that you and I might earn a living, the CEO is the one that took the risk. We don't all work for IBM, GM or other such initialed companies.
There are always risks. It's just a matter of who took them. In your case, your country took them. Along with the backing of all the countries that did not want your country to come under communist control. Do not for one minute think that there was no risk. It was just not by an individual, it was by multiple governments. I agree that there are many alternatives to capitalism, but let's be clear when we speak.
By the way, I would check carefully. Although I have not checked myself, I would almost be willing to bet that Judas Priest is a corporation. I agree that, to make a point, I stretched the subject but at this point Judas Priest is not just artistic. They took a chance ( risk ) and are reaping the rewards. They had an idea and are reaping the rewards. They employ a workforce and do not necessarily share their income equally with that workforce even though they would be back in the clubs without them.
Think ! It might not be what you want to hear, but it's a perfect comparison !
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Yeah right. The guy makes a new system that is exactly like the old one, except it crashes more often, and thats why he should get billions. And of course, he has legions of employees all over the world that do his bidding for him.
He is a hypocrate, thats what he is. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:38:33 PM)
Head banger wrote:
bill gates, and he gave it all away!
_strat_ wrote:
True, but wealth that is created by whom?
Head banger wrote:
no. for the poor to have more doesnt nessesarily reduce what the rich have.
and for the rich to have less, wont give the poor less. you see the pool of money which we draw from is not a set number. it varies with the wealth that is created
_strat_ wrote:
Both. One goes with the other, doesnt it?
Head banger wrote:
strat, do you want the poor to have more or the rich to have less?
Sssssssssssssoooo... You hearsssssss them toooo.... Itsss them filthy hobitsessssss, preciousssssss... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:38:24 PM)
Head banger wrote:
thats right, its not a sick and cynical mind, its personalities, as in multiple
_strat_ wrote:
Well, thats just the way it is... St. Nicholas is a clerofascist, Santa is a corporate maniac. Grandfather Frost is the only one that is more or less decent.
Oh, and I dont have a sick and cynical mind. I just type what the voices tell me...
Deep Freeze wrote:
OY! Leave it to you guys to turn poor old Santa into some kind of evil icon for big corporations! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What sick and cynical minds you have!!!
IDK, there is still the fate worse than minimal wage, which is unemployment. Or, rather, it depends on what the minimal wage is in comparison to the aid for the unemployed.
That, and the minimal wage usualy doesnt suffice for much more than just paying the bills and buying enough food and clothes to survive. And even that is not always the case. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:23:56 AM)
Head banger wrote:
kiss plays for money, the music is secondary
shouldnt people who have those skills get paid accordingly?
I dont mind minimum wages, everyone needs a starting point, but make them too high, and before long, no one is working
_strat_ wrote:
Dunno why Kiss is a better example... Anyway, employment. First of all, starting your own business is not an option for everyone, infact its not an option for most people. Not everyone has the ability to run a business. And if everyone was a business owner, what would the world look like? Who would work behind the assembly lines?
Changing your skills is not all that easy. There are many jobs that require a full comitment over many years to learn to do properly. Its not like I can just change my proffesion to find another job. Its a long procces.
Stay or leave. Where would this end? If there werent some minimums that an employer has to provide... We would get back into the 19th centruy, when workers literary slept in factories and worker just for bare existance.
Head banger wrote:
priest might not be the best example, try kiss
the thing is, the employer decides what your work is worth to him. you decide what the job means to you, if they match, you stay, if not you leave. if your not happy with the jobs offered or the pay you move, or you change your skills, or you start your own business.
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Edited at: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:32:14 AM
Edited at: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:24:30 PM
True, but wealth that is created by whom? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:22:57 AM)
Head banger wrote:
no. for the poor to have more doesnt nessesarily reduce what the rich have.
and for the rich to have less, wont give the poor less. you see the pool of money which we draw from is not a set number. it varies with the wealth that is created
_strat_ wrote:
Both. One goes with the other, doesnt it?
Head banger wrote:
strat, do you want the poor to have more or the rich to have less?
Well, thats just the way it is... St. Nicholas is a clerofascist, Santa is a corporate maniac. Grandfather Frost is the only one that is more or less decent.
Oh, and I dont have a sick and cynical mind. I just type what the voices tell me... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:56:42 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OY! Leave it to you guys to turn poor old Santa into some kind of evil icon for big corporations! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What sick and cynical minds you have!!!
Dunno why Kiss is a better example... Anyway, employment. First of all, starting your own business is not an option for everyone, infact its not an option for most people. Not everyone has the ability to run a business. And if everyone was a business owner, what would the world look like? Who would work behind the assembly lines?
Changing your skills is not all that easy. There are many jobs that require a full comitment over many years to learn to do properly. Its not like I can just change my proffesion to find another job. Its a long procces.
Stay or leave. Where would this end? If there werent some minimums that an employer has to provide... We would get back into the 19th centruy, when workers literary slept in factories and worker just for bare existance. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:52:02 AM)
Head banger wrote:
priest might not be the best example, try kiss
the thing is, the employer decides what your work is worth to him. you decide what the job means to you, if they match, you stay, if not you leave. if your not happy with the jobs offered or the pay you move, or you change your skills, or you start your own business.
_strat_ wrote:
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations.
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Ummm... Lets jsut say that he doesnt exist, and be done with it, ok? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:49:25 AM)
Head banger wrote:
no, his job is apearing in comercials, thats a volenteer spot, if you are a volenteer, how can you be exploited
_strat_ wrote:
No, he is exploited. He has to circle the globe in a single night, and give presents to little brats, and gets only milk and cookies in return.
Head banger wrote:
no, not exploited, the image of santa in red was created by coke, they spent money developing the image santa has today, shouldnt they be able to profit from that?
_strat_ wrote:
He does, and he is being exploited by the Coca Cola corporation to appear in their adds. Ever wondered why he is all derssed up in red? Comrade Clause will be the leader of the new world revolution!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my dear friend, I did not mean to appear misleading ( two "L"'s in fallacious, by the way...HA!!!!!) . I am simply aware that this is an impasse for us. Would not be the first time and certainly will not be the last! We could continue to debate and counter but it is really a study in futility. I will accept that you have your opinion and I will have mine and we can let it go at that.
So, NEW topic. .... ? Does Santa Claus really exist?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Ah, but I ask you, do they have african swallows? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:44:08 AM)
Head banger wrote:
dirt? well, they have areas of red dirt.
_strat_ wrote:
But that isnt an anarcho-syndicalist-something comunity... And they dont have that wonderfull dirt.
No, he is exploited. He has to circle the globe in a single night, and give presents to little brats, and gets only milk and cookies in return. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:38:37 AM)
Head banger wrote:
no, not exploited, the image of santa in red was created by coke, they spent money developing the image santa has today, shouldnt they be able to profit from that?
_strat_ wrote:
He does, and he is being exploited by the Coca Cola corporation to appear in their adds. Ever wondered why he is all derssed up in red? Comrade Clause will be the leader of the new world revolution!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my dear friend, I did not mean to appear misleading ( two "L"'s in fallacious, by the way...HA!!!!!) . I am simply aware that this is an impasse for us. Would not be the first time and certainly will not be the last! We could continue to debate and counter but it is really a study in futility. I will accept that you have your opinion and I will have mine and we can let it go at that.
So, NEW topic. .... ? Does Santa Claus really exist?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
But that isnt an anarcho-syndicalist-something comunity... And they dont have that wonderfull dirt. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:37:06 AM)
Youre not reading well, in that case. "For no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have"? I say that the poor create what the rich have. I think this has to be about the fifth time I made that point in the course of this discussion.
How does the employer judge what we earn? If anything the employer judges what we will get. There is a massive difference between the two. We can, as you say, accept it or not. But the fact is that we need jobs. And if every employer is only willing to give us so much... What power of choice do we actualy have? Only the power to pick the lesser of many evils. Thank the unions for their historic role, since its because of them and because of the two centuries worth of class struggles that there are at least some minimums that an employer has to fulfill! They cannot give us less than the minimal wage, cannot force us to work longer than the maximum work hours, and cannot fire us for looking at them the wrong way. But outside of that, its still the game of supply and demand... But with people instead of products.
Risk... Ok, someone took the risk. It can be done without it, but lets forget about that for a line or two. Was it the CEO of a big and well established corporation that took the risk to create it? No. Was it the great grandson that inherited the business? No. Sure, some people had to take risks, but then again, how do you value that risk in terms of money? Not to mention that we can do it without risks. We established our entire post-WW2 economy within the framweork of state planning. No one took big loans, no one risked his/her home, yet we developed big and succesfull companies, that are still alive and well! There are plenty alternatives to the capitalist economy, and the capitalist way of doing business.
Judas Priest are not a corporation. They are a band, and their greatness comes from skill and musicianship. You took my statement well out of context here, since I think you know perfectly well what sort of "greatness" I was refering to, since we were tlaking about economy and big corporations. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 9:30:14 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
I really cannot believe what I am reading. If I understand you correctly, you want Robin Hood. Take from the rich and give to the poor for no other reason than that the poor want what the rich have. You state that the working class " should be getting what they earn". Who judges what they earn. I'll tell you who. The employer that hired them at a certain wage for a certain job. The employee either accepts this or not. The power is actually with the worker at this point. If the worker takes the job, DON'T COMPLAIN !
You also state that "upper clases that get rediculously more than they earn". It's not entirely about "earning". It's also about risk. I believe HB has already gone into this, but to cut to the chase it's gambling. Someone risked their money, home, savings, future, etc on an idea and they deserve the lion share of the return for that. Their willingness to risk themselves for this return created the jobs for the workers. If people did not risk, the jobs would not exist.
Now let's get to "stiffling greatness . . . why the fuck not ? ". Let's make it obvious. We are all on a Judas Priest site chatting. This site would not exist because the band would not exist. They would never, AND I DO MEAN NEVER, have gone through what they did if they were required to share it all with those that did not experience those sacrifices with them. Without the possibility of great reward, there will never be any great sacrifice. Thus we all become mediocre and plain and the world SUCKS for all of us.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
He does, and he is being exploited by the Coca Cola corporation to appear in their adds. Ever wondered why he is all derssed up in red? Comrade Clause will be the leader of the new world revolution! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:32:58 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my dear friend, I did not mean to appear misleading ( two "L"'s in fallacious, by the way...HA!!!!!) . I am simply aware that this is an impasse for us. Would not be the first time and certainly will not be the last! We could continue to debate and counter but it is really a study in futility. I will accept that you have your opinion and I will have mine and we can let it go at that.
So, NEW topic. .... ? Does Santa Claus really exist?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
...assuming that there was absolutely no way of risking far less, and gradualy getting to the same result. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:42:00 PM)
Head banger wrote:
took the risk that endangered everyone. but if he didnt take that risk, all those people wouldnt have jobs. and if he didnt take said risk, the car would still be an item for the upper class, not the average. sorry, went back to ford. no risk, no reward. everyone is equal, and has nothing
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
Lol... Dessert, desert... You think that there are dessert islands somewhere? That would be cool...
Big Horn Sheep??!?!?!?! ROFLOL!!! That is too good not to make fun of!!!!!!!!!!!! Who comes up with this shit? "Yep, its a sheep... Lets call it a big horn sheep, no one will make fun of that... Oh, and look, theres a new planet. Lets call it a serious name like "Uranus"! No one will make fun of that... Right?" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:39:10 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, Las Vegas is a desert. Ice cream is a dessert! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Either way, there are no camels here. I believe there are found in the Middle East. Snakes, we got them! Lizards too. Oh, and Big Horn Sheep but please, NO wise cracks!!! HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Didnt it happen in NY? Vegas is in a dessert anyway... I would sooner expect to find horny camels, isntead of horny deer near Vegas...
Metallark wrote:
And I thought what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, December 22, 2008 4:27:10 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
"I did not have sex with that deer!"
-DF before impeachment-
kpholmes wrote:
Man deer love, banjo groupies, Deep Freeze a naked angel? I,ve been out of the loop for far too long. Merry friggin Christmas.
Ok, leave if you want, but I will still answer this, and maybe someone else will pick up the flag...
THAT is terribly falacious. The whole point that I was making about the subject of capitalism is that we (or you or me, whichever way you put it), should be getting what we earn. Not to share it with the upper classes that get ridicilously more than they earn, since more often than not they earn nothing at all. What "greater good"? What "plight of the struggling labourer"? Sure, both these things could be used to describe socialism, as something which aims to achieve the "greater good" of all by fighting the "plight of the struggling labourer", but its really down to we getting what we earn. The difference between the two of us here would be that you think that capitalism can give that opportunity, while I do not, and I think I listed plenty of reasons for that. "Spreading the wealth" is imo a part of this, for reasons that I have already presented as well.
"Stiffling greatness"... Why the fuck not? If the great cannot be great without the help of mediocre ( as is the case)... Should they be great at all? And of course, how do you generaly define "better"? Is someone that is prepared to take risks that endanger him/herself and tons of other people really great... Or just plain irresponsible and dumb? And, when does one accomplish greatness? Is it when one has a huge corporation? What is so great about that? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 8:20:47 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I believe I will jump out of this now. Does not seem to be getting anywhere and I think BS hit it right on the head. You see, I do not care about the "greater good", either! I care about me. I went to school for me. I spent twenty years in business for me. I sacrificed for me. The thing about all this talk on socialism is that it stifles greatness. Spreading the wealth is a fine sentiment but it give no incentive to the great to be great. I could not care less about the "plight of the struggling laborer". We all have our lot in life.
Now, I realize that last comment opens me up for a bunch of nastiness but I suppose I will accept that. The truly great men (and women) in the world are better. They strive to be more. To accomplish more. They strive for greatness. Some people do not have these lofty aspirations. They are content to be mediocre. Worse, there are those that would have the few be great and the mediocre be allowed to reap the benefits. No thank you. I do not care for what one person believes is "right". That makes NO difference to me. Fairness can go that way as well. If I am better, and I produce more and I accomplish greatness, I do not see why I should share that with a slug. I want more. I earned every bit. I stood above the others. I took the risk. That is how it is. If a company recognizes that and rewards me, that is just as it should be.
I do not advocate "firing" someone because I find a guy that can do his job "10 minutes faster". I advocate hiring that faster guy, too! Now I have TWO guys working and , with any luck, the slower one will find motivation in competition. If not, he can stay in his position so long as he DOES HIS JOB!! The faster guy may get promoted, who knows? I suppose it depends on how valuble time is to my company! As long as you are doing what you are paid to do, you should feel relatively safe. In difficult times, the faster guy might be more valuble? This is business not a contest to save people's feelings. Don't like that? OPEN YOUR OWN BUSINESS and do it YOUR way.
In a predominantly capitalist world, would they have a choice? Also, there is always Venezuela... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:54:35 AM)
Head banger wrote:
but, for sanctions to mater they have to be engaged in global trade, and isnt global trade a capitalist venture?
they spend more on guns to point at citizens than on anything else. sort of like the berlin wall. its a beautiful place, but stuck with a system that keeps people looking for ways to beg for money from tourists.
_strat_ wrote:
I dont know about Cuba or what particular type of socialism are they using. i do know that they are still under sanctions that go back to the crisis in 62, and that has to be taken into consideration. But in any case, I know how we had it, and thats what Im talking about in all the previous posts. And if socialsm is bad... Well, lets look at some present and past capitalist countries, like Chile under Pinochet, or countries in south east Asia (China - I dont care what they have on the flag, they are as capitalist as it gets).
kiamat wrote:
This summer I spent three weeks in Cuba doing conservation work and I failed to see any sign of socialism providing a decent life for the many. Instead, money made by the economy (and there must be plenty, much of Cuba is very fertile agricultural land) is poured into posh tourist hotels and a propaganda campaign that practically deifies Castro and Che Guevara. You could credit their government with excellent healthcare and educational services, but what good is that when the hospitals fall down and most of the university graduates leave the country on the basis that they can earn more cleaning toilets in Miami than they can in the highest paid jobs in Havana?
The only money people there can get outside of government restricted earnings is from tourists (which only aids those in tourist areas- poverty in most of the countryside is widespread). And the more tourists come, handing out extravagant tips left, right and centre, the harder it is for the government to persuade people that Cuba really is doing well out of socialism. Edited at: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:02:31 AM
I dont know about Cuba or what particular type of socialism are they using. i do know that they are still under sanctions that go back to the crisis in 62, and that has to be taken into consideration. But in any case, I know how we had it, and thats what Im talking about in all the previous posts. And if socialsm is bad... Well, lets look at some present and past capitalist countries, like Chile under Pinochet, or countries in south east Asia (China - I dont care what they have on the flag, they are as capitalist as it gets). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kiamat from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:01:12 AM)
kiamat wrote:
This summer I spent three weeks in Cuba doing conservation work and I failed to see any sign of socialism providing a decent life for the many. Instead, money made by the economy (and there must be plenty, much of Cuba is very fertile agricultural land) is poured into posh tourist hotels and a propaganda campaign that practically deifies Castro and Che Guevara. You could credit their government with excellent healthcare and educational services, but what good is that when the hospitals fall down and most of the university graduates leave the country on the basis that they can earn more cleaning toilets in Miami than they can in the highest paid jobs in Havana?
The only money people there can get outside of government restricted earnings is from tourists (which only aids those in tourist areas- poverty in most of the countryside is widespread). And the more tourists come, handing out extravagant tips left, right and centre, the harder it is for the government to persuade people that Cuba really is doing well out of socialism. Edited at: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 5:02:31 AM
"there was something in the air that night,
the umm... smell was right.... Oh, Guido..." [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:33:48 AM)
Didnt it happen in NY? Vegas is in a dessert anyway... I would sooner expect to find horny camels, isntead of horny deer near Vegas... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Metallark from Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:16:22 AM)
Metallark wrote:
And I thought what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas! (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Monday, December 22, 2008 4:27:10 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
"I did not have sex with that deer!"
-DF before impeachment-
kpholmes wrote:
Man deer love, banjo groupies, Deep Freeze a naked angel? I,ve been out of the loop for far too long. Merry friggin Christmas.
Another wild assumption, but thats what comes from private healthcare. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Monday, December 22, 2008 9:34:40 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
So much for social equality. Check this out. A little more info on those "poor" auto workers.
Gold-Plated Health Care
Health care costs the Big Three so much because the UAW negotiated gold-plated health benefits that include medical, hospital, surgical, and prescription drug coverage. These benefits also cover durable medical equipment (e.g., hearing aids), dental benefits, and even Lasik eye surgery.[4] For all this, GM workers and retirees must pay monthly premiums of $10 for an individual and $21 for families.[5] As a result, UAW workers and retirees have some of the most comprehensive and least expensive health care in America.
Competitive Disadvantage
These gold-plated health care benefits put the Big Three, and especially GM, at a competitive disadvantage. For example, GM has three times as many retirees as active workers, and health care costs for both groups cost the company $4.6 billion in 2007. The UAW's lavish health benefits added $1,200 to the cost of each vehicle produced in the United States.
The Japanese automakers, by contrast, provide standard health benefits to their American employees. Consequently, health care for active workers cost Toyota $215 per vehicle in 2006.[6]
Every American buying an auto made in Detroit pays an extra $700 to $1,000 to support health benefits far more generous than most Americans receive.
Ok, that is another matter. If a worker gets 75$/hour... I get 4.50€, and call it a good wage. Not to mention that since I have a status of a student, I dont pay taxes, and nothing gets into my pension fund.
BUT... Im absolutely sure that looking hard enough, we would find many people that work for a lot less money. Infact, most of the world population is, we were just discussing the money rich northwestern part.
Yes, someone at the bottom of the ladder. But most of us are at the bottom of the ladder. So, whats it gonna be? A system that ensures a decent life for a majority (socialism) or capitalism, which ensures lavish lifestyles for the small minority.
Red scare... I would seriously have thought it was over. If I take a risk of a major assumption, the majority of people who bash socialism have never experienced it, even as remotely and belatedly as I did. Still, the most shit over it I hear from Americans and western Europeans. Funny, not so much where I live. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Monday, December 22, 2008 9:19:17 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
You've not done the math correctly. If a worker earns $75 per hour, he is costing the employer roughly $150 per hour. Imagine overtime @ time and a half ! How about the 85% pay for retirees plus the benefits. How many workers and retired workers are being payed versus how many workers are actually producing anything to sell ? Now, how many CEO's are there ? You've got it backwards. I'm no great advocate for the CEO's of the world doing a whole lot of nothing for millions, but they are a drop in the bucket compared to the union workers and ex-union workers still being payed for doing nothing.
As for the comparison between the worst socialism v.s. the best capitalism ( I'm going to risk some major assumptions here ), sounds like the voice of someone at the bottom of the ladder. Once you start climbing that ladder, your tune will likely change.
Lastly, "Crazy Ivans" are Communists not Socialists no matter what the late Soviet Union would like one to think. Or is that believe. Or is that become re-educated to follow.
I will say this. I do agree that the be all value of one's work is not all about money. I personally have foregone much in the way of monetary compensation in order to live the life I have chosen ( concentrating on my kids versus money ) however that is my choice. I am grateful to have to opportunity to make that choice myself and I did not have it chosen for me.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe. Or maybe they start out in such positions. The thing is, not all people start at the bottom, and it would be interesting to see how many corporate leaders started out as "the guy that screws on the tail light". And even if all people would start out at the bottom and rise to the top, would it still justify all their privileges? The high wages and the insane amount of power they hold in a company? I dont think so. And even if a CEO runs the company for a year and fails... With all the rewards and bonuses he gets, he has enough money that would suffice you or me for years.
And just a note, CEOs that rise to that position dont own the company in most cases, but are employed by the owners of the company to lead it. As for the owners... Well, dont even get me started on them.
Over here the rights and duties of the employer and the employee are clearly defined by law. If an employee screws up bad enough that the employer has a valid reason to fire him/her, that will happen and the unions cant do shit. Unfortunately, the unions cant do shit about other things as well, like an employer getting outside his/her rights and demanding more from employee than is allowed.
Ok, moving on to Tim...
I was actualy shocked to hear that a factory worker over there gets 75 $ per hour. Thats the amount of money that I make in two days of work. But that aside, I hardly think that the guy who gets 75$ per hour would be a bigger reason for the high prices of cars than the guy that gets a couple of thousand $ per month + all the insanely high rewards. I mean, if we put all those numbers that we saw in the Blah thread together... A CEO gets more money than all the factory workers put together! Maybe if a CEO would get a regular wage, the cars could be much more affordable, without having to make cuts at the bottom, where it most hurts. Not to mention that 75$ is not a lot in a car that may cost a few thousand $ as a finished product. If it is 75$ per car anyway, because I can hardly imagine that screwing on a single component (like the now infamous "tail light") would take an entire hour. Havent you guys heard of norms?
Employment. Well, yes, you have to prove it. And you can work hard and try hard, but so can the other guy. Its a competition where there are few winners but many losers. And of course, the employer is the one that will ultimately decide who gets the job. And of course, I agree that we shouldnt go firing people because a new candidate has been found after the old one was already employeed. That is a matter of job security, and with it social security.
Social equality is in my opinion definately something that we should work for. From experiences in my country, social equality is a quarantee of a peacefull society, with considerably lower crime rates, suicide rates, ect. A society like we have now, with competition on every corner, and massive class divisions does completetly the opposite.
As for the pros and cons of a socialist system... Well, as far as Im concerned the worst kind of socialism is better than the best kind of capitalism. Its not all crazy Ivans with nukes, you know.
Moving on to Freeze... (3 on 1! It aint a fair fight! :D)
Ot goes back to basic capitalist economics. Thats not the only kind of economics, and as I said a lot of time before, it is not without alternatives. The thing is, that people of all proffesions contribute to the wealth of a society, and even though someones work might be valued less in terms of money, it doesnt mean that we can do without it.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, your right in the difference between decent wage and decent life. A wage may help make a decent life, but its not the end all. your right too that education by itsself doesnt qualify you for any job. the work a person is willing to do is a part of them, and their character, but its sure not the only thing. but, rarely do people rise to leadership positions, and hold them for any length of time without leadership skills. some are learned, mistakes get made, but if you dont have the basic skills, you either own the company, or your daddy does. and in those cases, if you dont know your shit, you fail, and the company does too.
unions, question, do your unions defend all workers who recieve dicipline? even if they did do the wrong thing? ours do. they take dues and contribute them to political causes, without asking the membership, spend money on the leaders trips, not that they help the workers any. today, a union is just like any business, selling a "service" not a physical product. but they just sell, and are just there to make money, just as a business is. in fact, the unionized office workers of a union near here went on strike to complain about the way they were treated there.
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
Not in my particular case, since I only arrange and type the stuff that others have designed, but yeah, that would hold true for a regular graphic artist. That was basicly an example. But yes, the boss will value it more. BUT, there is the matter of job security. Is it ok to fire one guy, because another guy can make it look a bit better in 10 mins less time? Where would this line be drawn? What kind of improvement to the end result is enough to replace the worker? Imo, none, but there is a thing called "labour market". Basicly, all of us are treated like products on a store shelf, when it comes to employment. Now, fair, not fair, economic, uneconomic... I dont care. I dont think its right, period.
Well, yes, Fords employees would have to find a new job. Maybe some of the couldnt? Maybe some of them had families? What would they do then? One mans risk could cause a lot of people a lot of harm. Again, I dont think its right, period. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 22, 2008 4:59:21 PM)
Head banger wrote:
well, I only have a couple of minutes here, but...
your a graphic artist, right. your work gets valued based on creating what your boss needs, and how long it takes, right? but if someone has the skills to make something that looks beter, or can get it done faster, the boss will value that more, right?
Ford, if he failed, all the people he hired would have to find a new job. he would have been out tons of money, as would anyone who invested with him. its a gamble, you lend money, you expect it back, with intrest, and you price the interest, based on the risk. if I borow money to buy a house, the intrest is low, because the bank knows the house can be reposesed and sold if I dont pay, so they should get their money one way or the other. if I borow money to start a business selling wine, they have more concern, how do they get the cash back? price the loan higher.
_strat_ wrote:
Umm... IDK, but from my experiences, the only thing that is valued in my work is the result, and the time it takes me to to a certain task. My own commitment, or my special skills, or how hard I work matter only to the extent that is neccesary to make what I have to.
More equaly... Ok, maybe bad expression on my part. What I was aiming for is that the power should not be concentrated in such a narrow circle of people. That, and, the people who hold actual power should answer to the people at the bottom. Thats my idea of it anyway... I dont expect that system to come back again, no matter how well it actualy worked (because it did work well, infact). So the two of you can stop worrying. Im not about to grab an AK-47 and start a revolution.
The decisions can always be made, even if it takes a while longer, and includes more compromises. But compromises are inevitable when a group of people has to live together. In this particular case that you provided (Ford), lets just assume that he gambled and failed. Of course, we now know that he succeded, but what if he didnt? Well, his company would like as not fail, people would lose their jobs, and we would never know that a guy called Henry Ford ever existed. It would be interesting to see a statistic of such cases. How many succeded, and how many failed. And out of those that failed, what were the consequences of the failures?
And of course, everywhere there are experts. Design is the dominion of designers. Marketing of margeting specialists, management of managers. I never said that is inherently wrong, its just the hieratchical structure of bussineses, and the disproportionate partition of responsability and profit that I have a problem with.
When it comes to politics, tho, I think that things change a lot. There were not talking about a single business, but about the soceity as a whole. Basic human rights. Everyone is born with equal rights, regardless of race, gender, nationality, ect. Or gay rights. Im against the entire population deciding wheter its ok for two men to marry each other. Its their buisines, not of the rest of us. The entire point of me advocating collaborative decision making (and even that only to certain extents) is to ensure a fair and open society. Not the opposite.
Wine: I dont need a penguin in a suit to tell me which wine is good and which is not. That is a matter of personal opinion, and fuck the expert. That is way only the expenses in the procces of getting that bottle to the shelf in a store should matter.
Moving on to Freeze (always saving the best for last ;)
No, we hadnt dropped anything. Infact... I have holidays starting thursday, so were only just begining.
Life not fair... I guess its true. But is that a reason not to try to make it just a little bit fairer? And some fairness exists, thats for sure. It exists in (some of) the laws, and (some of) the most widely accept morals. Why not try to have more?
Certain people shouldnt have the power of decision, and even those that have, shouldnt have the power to decide anything, I agree. But, I explained all this above, and I cant be bothered to type it all again.
As for feasible way of operating a business... I HATE to go on about it... But we had it. And it worked. It was a feasible way of operating businesses. Not exactly the way I explained above, but there was a great level of collective decision making. And it was the most industrious and prosperous time in our history. Granted, there was a great level of state planning that coordinated the economy as a whole, and that failed every now and then, but in general it was a lot better than having a privately owned economy that we have now, where we have CEOs screwing up companies, selling them abroad, and cashing in the profits.
OK, 25 mins to midnight, and Im off to bed. See you lot in the morning.
Head banger wrote:
yep, the mechanic went to school for 4 years, and takes upgrading courses every year. The other thing with a mechanic that you have to recognize is that your paying for him (or her) and his tools. a mechanic has to own basic hand tools, my mechanic figures he owns $20,000 worth. now, the education of a mechanic is thru aprentiship, where he is paid a bit while he is learning, not like getting a degree. but in value of those 2 comitments, a mechanic is paid quite well. a general labourer, well, might work hard, but anyone is capable of that, paid less. you value the work the person does, the effort, and the skill, and the comitment to learning that skill.
if the power is more equaly shared, how do you make decisions? when henry ford started producing the model T, it came in black, and in one configuration. there were no diferences. that car is what made ford a major player today. now he owned the company, took the risk of spending all his money, but the decision making process was the same as if he was a CEO, he decided. what if everyone decided? design would take longer, costing money in lost sales. what if such a simple decision as to sell 5 colours instead of 1? well the cost of the car would have gone up $50, moving it out of many peoples range. why? you would need equipment to paint different colors, or if you decided to paint each days production one colour, you would have to move the production slower 4 days a week, because the reason he used black is it dried the fastest. colaborative decision making is fine, but when said company is losing ,money and has to lay off people, you wont find people laying themselfs off, and you create conflict or ineficiencys. can top down be too dictatorial, sure, but its the fastest method of decision making. politicaly, even though we are in a democracy, our head of government can make decisions without consultation, because if he had to determin what everyone wanted, then do it, it would be to late. and what if what the people wanted wouldnt work? after all, the people here might want to invade the USA, but he could quickly determine that we would get killed. should he do a bad thing because the people want it? if decisions were colaborative, blacks in the states might still be slaves.
sure, we can research that wine, but how does it taste? after all, a beter tasting wine should cost more no? what if the store is staffed by wine experts, that can help you make choices, food pairings, etc? they should be able to charge more, right, after all, they are selling their expertise, not just wine. if you want expertise, you go there, if you know what you want, you go to the store that has a 19 year old kid and a cash register, find what you want and get out.
_strat_ wrote:
True, but that mechanic also had to learn some things he needs. A modern internal combustion engine is complicated as fuck. Just like I had to learn my work, and just like a (for example) an IT guy has to learn all sort of shit about computers, before he can do his job properly. The question here would again be: why does one guy earn 500€/month, and someone else 5000 or more? And we ve been through that... The problem is really the hierarchical structure of bussineses. I know, someone has to organise things, someone has to decide about this and that... But all that could be imo done without the parasites (yes, I still say that they are parasites) at the top. Not to mention that if power would be more equaly shared, more people would need to fuckup to have the same result as a fuckup of one person has now.
We can always do a little research "behind the scenes" of that bottle of wine. How much did the materials cost (from grapes, glass, the label, etc.), how much did the store pay for it, and was that fair in respect to how much did it cost to produce the bottle, how much of the final price did the store take for themselves, and is that in accordance to the expenses they had with it... Its complicated, but we can quickly determine if someone is taking more than his/her fair share of it.
Head banger wrote:
yes their starting point may be higher than ours. I guess I dont compare well, because I started with my company before I went to school, so, 9 promotions and one graduation later, I am here, second in comand over three provinces and a few hundred employees. yay. not!!
the starting point is higher because they have learned some things they need. they dont need to actualy know how to screw in said taillight. I supervised a mechanic, I dont know how to re build an engine, nor do I care. I know how to supervise people, manage costs, build business, find efficiencies. thats what I did then.
fair is a point of view. is the price of that botle of wine fair? if you think so, you buy it, if you dont, you dont. you might think it fair, but not be able to aford it. then you make a new decision, can I borow the money and what will it cost me. now personaly, I think that borowing for wine is idiocy, but thats my value judgment.
companies lose money and continue for a few reasons. they made money in the past and have savings.
they think they can make money again, so borow to get to the good times again. the cost to disolve the company could be more than the yearly opperating losses.
_strat_ wrote:
Or more likely, he would stay there. The fact is that the high positions are a the dominion of the elites. And I would bet a lot that there are a lot of managers that get to their position straight from schools. Maybe they dont become CEOs right away, but their starting point is way higher than ours.
If people pay for it, that doesnt automaticaly mean that its fair.
If these companies lose money, why do they still exist?
Head banger wrote:
they probably dont start out as the guy screwing in the tail light. he would start in sales, accounting, lower managment, enginering, and rise from there. depending on the industry, and his individual skills, he would need some level of schooling, and the drive, then he has to get in the door, and show what he can do. I bet that no one goes straight from school to the CEO chair of any company of any size.
the guys who can and will put in that effort are rare, and those with the skills to match are more rare, so they get to demand more. same as pro athletes. fair? well, people pay it, therefore its fair.
your right, the owners hire thwm, most companies are owned by shareholders, like me, and
the $75 is a historical bit of foolishness. but, the labour costs to build a car are only a minor part of it. disigning it costs billions, the parts, tooling and factories billions more. fact is that most cars sold by these companies lose money. have for years.
and three on one isnt unfair, its just the way it is.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe. Or maybe they start out in such positions. The thing is, not all people start at the bottom, and it would be interesting to see how many corporate leaders started out as "the guy that screws on the tail light". And even if all people would start out at the bottom and rise to the top, would it still justify all their privileges? The high wages and the insane amount of power they hold in a company? I dont think so. And even if a CEO runs the company for a year and fails... With all the rewards and bonuses he gets, he has enough money that would suffice you or me for years.
And just a note, CEOs that rise to that position dont own the company in most cases, but are employed by the owners of the company to lead it. As for the owners... Well, dont even get me started on them.
Over here the rights and duties of the employer and the employee are clearly defined by law. If an employee screws up bad enough that the employer has a valid reason to fire him/her, that will happen and the unions cant do shit. Unfortunately, the unions cant do shit about other things as well, like an employer getting outside his/her rights and demanding more from employee than is allowed.
Ok, moving on to Tim...
I was actualy shocked to hear that a factory worker over there gets 75 $ per hour. Thats the amount of money that I make in two days of work. But that aside, I hardly think that the guy who gets 75$ per hour would be a bigger reason for the high prices of cars than the guy that gets a couple of thousand $ per month + all the insanely high rewards. I mean, if we put all those numbers that we saw in the Blah thread together... A CEO gets more money than all the factory workers put together! Maybe if a CEO would get a regular wage, the cars could be much more affordable, without having to make cuts at the bottom, where it most hurts. Not to mention that 75$ is not a lot in a car that may cost a few thousand $ as a finished product. If it is 75$ per car anyway, because I can hardly imagine that screwing on a single component (like the now infamous "tail light") would take an entire hour. Havent you guys heard of norms?
Employment. Well, yes, you have to prove it. And you can work hard and try hard, but so can the other guy. Its a competition where there are few winners but many losers. And of course, the employer is the one that will ultimately decide who gets the job. And of course, I agree that we shouldnt go firing people because a new candidate has been found after the old one was already employeed. That is a matter of job security, and with it social security.
Social equality is in my opinion definately something that we should work for. From experiences in my country, social equality is a quarantee of a peacefull society, with considerably lower crime rates, suicide rates, ect. A society like we have now, with competition on every corner, and massive class divisions does completetly the opposite.
As for the pros and cons of a socialist system... Well, as far as Im concerned the worst kind of socialism is better than the best kind of capitalism. Its not all crazy Ivans with nukes, you know.
Moving on to Freeze... (3 on 1! It aint a fair fight! :D)
Ot goes back to basic capitalist economics. Thats not the only kind of economics, and as I said a lot of time before, it is not without alternatives. The thing is, that people of all proffesions contribute to the wealth of a society, and even though someones work might be valued less in terms of money, it doesnt mean that we can do without it.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, your right in the difference between decent wage and decent life. A wage may help make a decent life, but its not the end all. your right too that education by itsself doesnt qualify you for any job. the work a person is willing to do is a part of them, and their character, but its sure not the only thing. but, rarely do people rise to leadership positions, and hold them for any length of time without leadership skills. some are learned, mistakes get made, but if you dont have the basic skills, you either own the company, or your daddy does. and in those cases, if you dont know your shit, you fail, and the company does too.
unions, question, do your unions defend all workers who recieve dicipline? even if they did do the wrong thing? ours do. they take dues and contribute them to political causes, without asking the membership, spend money on the leaders trips, not that they help the workers any. today, a union is just like any business, selling a "service" not a physical product. but they just sell, and are just there to make money, just as a business is. in fact, the unionized office workers of a union near here went on strike to complain about the way they were treated there.
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
Umm... IDK, but from my experiences, the only thing that is valued in my work is the result, and the time it takes me to to a certain task. My own commitment, or my special skills, or how hard I work matter only to the extent that is neccesary to make what I have to.
More equaly... Ok, maybe bad expression on my part. What I was aiming for is that the power should not be concentrated in such a narrow circle of people. That, and, the people who hold actual power should answer to the people at the bottom. Thats my idea of it anyway... I dont expect that system to come back again, no matter how well it actualy worked (because it did work well, infact). So the two of you can stop worrying. Im not about to grab an AK-47 and start a revolution.
The decisions can always be made, even if it takes a while longer, and includes more compromises. But compromises are inevitable when a group of people has to live together. In this particular case that you provided (Ford), lets just assume that he gambled and failed. Of course, we now know that he succeded, but what if he didnt? Well, his company would like as not fail, people would lose their jobs, and we would never know that a guy called Henry Ford ever existed. It would be interesting to see a statistic of such cases. How many succeded, and how many failed. And out of those that failed, what were the consequences of the failures?
And of course, everywhere there are experts. Design is the dominion of designers. Marketing of margeting specialists, management of managers. I never said that is inherently wrong, its just the hieratchical structure of bussineses, and the disproportionate partition of responsability and profit that I have a problem with.
When it comes to politics, tho, I think that things change a lot. There were not talking about a single business, but about the soceity as a whole. Basic human rights. Everyone is born with equal rights, regardless of race, gender, nationality, ect. Or gay rights. Im against the entire population deciding wheter its ok for two men to marry each other. Its their buisines, not of the rest of us. The entire point of me advocating collaborative decision making (and even that only to certain extents) is to ensure a fair and open society. Not the opposite.
Wine: I dont need a penguin in a suit to tell me which wine is good and which is not. That is a matter of personal opinion, and fuck the expert. That is way only the expenses in the procces of getting that bottle to the shelf in a store should matter.
Moving on to Freeze (always saving the best for last ;)
No, we hadnt dropped anything. Infact... I have holidays starting thursday, so were only just begining.
Life not fair... I guess its true. But is that a reason not to try to make it just a little bit fairer? And some fairness exists, thats for sure. It exists in (some of) the laws, and (some of) the most widely accept morals. Why not try to have more?
Certain people shouldnt have the power of decision, and even those that have, shouldnt have the power to decide anything, I agree. But, I explained all this above, and I cant be bothered to type it all again.
As for feasible way of operating a business... I HATE to go on about it... But we had it. And it worked. It was a feasible way of operating businesses. Not exactly the way I explained above, but there was a great level of collective decision making. And it was the most industrious and prosperous time in our history. Granted, there was a great level of state planning that coordinated the economy as a whole, and that failed every now and then, but in general it was a lot better than having a privately owned economy that we have now, where we have CEOs screwing up companies, selling them abroad, and cashing in the profits.
OK, 25 mins to midnight, and Im off to bed. See you lot in the morning.
yep, the mechanic went to school for 4 years, and takes upgrading courses every year. The other thing with a mechanic that you have to recognize is that your paying for him (or her) and his tools. a mechanic has to own basic hand tools, my mechanic figures he owns $20,000 worth. now, the education of a mechanic is thru aprentiship, where he is paid a bit while he is learning, not like getting a degree. but in value of those 2 comitments, a mechanic is paid quite well. a general labourer, well, might work hard, but anyone is capable of that, paid less. you value the work the person does, the effort, and the skill, and the comitment to learning that skill.
if the power is more equaly shared, how do you make decisions? when henry ford started producing the model T, it came in black, and in one configuration. there were no diferences. that car is what made ford a major player today. now he owned the company, took the risk of spending all his money, but the decision making process was the same as if he was a CEO, he decided. what if everyone decided? design would take longer, costing money in lost sales. what if such a simple decision as to sell 5 colours instead of 1? well the cost of the car would have gone up $50, moving it out of many peoples range. why? you would need equipment to paint different colors, or if you decided to paint each days production one colour, you would have to move the production slower 4 days a week, because the reason he used black is it dried the fastest. colaborative decision making is fine, but when said company is losing ,money and has to lay off people, you wont find people laying themselfs off, and you create conflict or ineficiencys. can top down be too dictatorial, sure, but its the fastest method of decision making. politicaly, even though we are in a democracy, our head of government can make decisions without consultation, because if he had to determin what everyone wanted, then do it, it would be to late. and what if what the people wanted wouldnt work? after all, the people here might want to invade the USA, but he could quickly determine that we would get killed. should he do a bad thing because the people want it? if decisions were colaborative, blacks in the states might still be slaves.
sure, we can research that wine, but how does it taste? after all, a beter tasting wine should cost more no? what if the store is staffed by wine experts, that can help you make choices, food pairings, etc? they should be able to charge more, right, after all, they are selling their expertise, not just wine. if you want expertise, you go there, if you know what you want, you go to the store that has a 19 year old kid and a cash register, find what you want and get out.
_strat_ wrote:
True, but that mechanic also had to learn some things he needs. A modern internal combustion engine is complicated as fuck. Just like I had to learn my work, and just like a (for example) an IT guy has to learn all sort of shit about computers, before he can do his job properly. The question here would again be: why does one guy earn 500€/month, and someone else 5000 or more? And we ve been through that... The problem is really the hierarchical structure of bussineses. I know, someone has to organise things, someone has to decide about this and that... But all that could be imo done without the parasites (yes, I still say that they are parasites) at the top. Not to mention that if power would be more equaly shared, more people would need to fuckup to have the same result as a fuckup of one person has now.
We can always do a little research "behind the scenes" of that bottle of wine. How much did the materials cost (from grapes, glass, the label, etc.), how much did the store pay for it, and was that fair in respect to how much did it cost to produce the bottle, how much of the final price did the store take for themselves, and is that in accordance to the expenses they had with it... Its complicated, but we can quickly determine if someone is taking more than his/her fair share of it.
Head banger wrote:
yes their starting point may be higher than ours. I guess I dont compare well, because I started with my company before I went to school, so, 9 promotions and one graduation later, I am here, second in comand over three provinces and a few hundred employees. yay. not!!
the starting point is higher because they have learned some things they need. they dont need to actualy know how to screw in said taillight. I supervised a mechanic, I dont know how to re build an engine, nor do I care. I know how to supervise people, manage costs, build business, find efficiencies. thats what I did then.
fair is a point of view. is the price of that botle of wine fair? if you think so, you buy it, if you dont, you dont. you might think it fair, but not be able to aford it. then you make a new decision, can I borow the money and what will it cost me. now personaly, I think that borowing for wine is idiocy, but thats my value judgment.
companies lose money and continue for a few reasons. they made money in the past and have savings.
they think they can make money again, so borow to get to the good times again. the cost to disolve the company could be more than the yearly opperating losses.
_strat_ wrote:
Or more likely, he would stay there. The fact is that the high positions are a the dominion of the elites. And I would bet a lot that there are a lot of managers that get to their position straight from schools. Maybe they dont become CEOs right away, but their starting point is way higher than ours.
If people pay for it, that doesnt automaticaly mean that its fair.
If these companies lose money, why do they still exist?
Head banger wrote:
they probably dont start out as the guy screwing in the tail light. he would start in sales, accounting, lower managment, enginering, and rise from there. depending on the industry, and his individual skills, he would need some level of schooling, and the drive, then he has to get in the door, and show what he can do. I bet that no one goes straight from school to the CEO chair of any company of any size.
the guys who can and will put in that effort are rare, and those with the skills to match are more rare, so they get to demand more. same as pro athletes. fair? well, people pay it, therefore its fair.
your right, the owners hire thwm, most companies are owned by shareholders, like me, and
the $75 is a historical bit of foolishness. but, the labour costs to build a car are only a minor part of it. disigning it costs billions, the parts, tooling and factories billions more. fact is that most cars sold by these companies lose money. have for years.
and three on one isnt unfair, its just the way it is.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe. Or maybe they start out in such positions. The thing is, not all people start at the bottom, and it would be interesting to see how many corporate leaders started out as "the guy that screws on the tail light". And even if all people would start out at the bottom and rise to the top, would it still justify all their privileges? The high wages and the insane amount of power they hold in a company? I dont think so. And even if a CEO runs the company for a year and fails... With all the rewards and bonuses he gets, he has enough money that would suffice you or me for years.
And just a note, CEOs that rise to that position dont own the company in most cases, but are employed by the owners of the company to lead it. As for the owners... Well, dont even get me started on them.
Over here the rights and duties of the employer and the employee are clearly defined by law. If an employee screws up bad enough that the employer has a valid reason to fire him/her, that will happen and the unions cant do shit. Unfortunately, the unions cant do shit about other things as well, like an employer getting outside his/her rights and demanding more from employee than is allowed.
Ok, moving on to Tim...
I was actualy shocked to hear that a factory worker over there gets 75 $ per hour. Thats the amount of money that I make in two days of work. But that aside, I hardly think that the guy who gets 75$ per hour would be a bigger reason for the high prices of cars than the guy that gets a couple of thousand $ per month + all the insanely high rewards. I mean, if we put all those numbers that we saw in the Blah thread together... A CEO gets more money than all the factory workers put together! Maybe if a CEO would get a regular wage, the cars could be much more affordable, without having to make cuts at the bottom, where it most hurts. Not to mention that 75$ is not a lot in a car that may cost a few thousand $ as a finished product. If it is 75$ per car anyway, because I can hardly imagine that screwing on a single component (like the now infamous "tail light") would take an entire hour. Havent you guys heard of norms?
Employment. Well, yes, you have to prove it. And you can work hard and try hard, but so can the other guy. Its a competition where there are few winners but many losers. And of course, the employer is the one that will ultimately decide who gets the job. And of course, I agree that we shouldnt go firing people because a new candidate has been found after the old one was already employeed. That is a matter of job security, and with it social security.
Social equality is in my opinion definately something that we should work for. From experiences in my country, social equality is a quarantee of a peacefull society, with considerably lower crime rates, suicide rates, ect. A society like we have now, with competition on every corner, and massive class divisions does completetly the opposite.
As for the pros and cons of a socialist system... Well, as far as Im concerned the worst kind of socialism is better than the best kind of capitalism. Its not all crazy Ivans with nukes, you know.
Moving on to Freeze... (3 on 1! It aint a fair fight! :D)
Ot goes back to basic capitalist economics. Thats not the only kind of economics, and as I said a lot of time before, it is not without alternatives. The thing is, that people of all proffesions contribute to the wealth of a society, and even though someones work might be valued less in terms of money, it doesnt mean that we can do without it.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, your right in the difference between decent wage and decent life. A wage may help make a decent life, but its not the end all. your right too that education by itsself doesnt qualify you for any job. the work a person is willing to do is a part of them, and their character, but its sure not the only thing. but, rarely do people rise to leadership positions, and hold them for any length of time without leadership skills. some are learned, mistakes get made, but if you dont have the basic skills, you either own the company, or your daddy does. and in those cases, if you dont know your shit, you fail, and the company does too.
unions, question, do your unions defend all workers who recieve dicipline? even if they did do the wrong thing? ours do. they take dues and contribute them to political causes, without asking the membership, spend money on the leaders trips, not that they help the workers any. today, a union is just like any business, selling a "service" not a physical product. but they just sell, and are just there to make money, just as a business is. in fact, the unionized office workers of a union near here went on strike to complain about the way they were treated there.
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
We gotta move to the southern hemisphere. You think dc would have us? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 22, 2008 7:29:57 AM)
True, but that mechanic also had to learn some things he needs. A modern internal combustion engine is complicated as fuck. Just like I had to learn my work, and just like a (for example) an IT guy has to learn all sort of shit about computers, before he can do his job properly. The question here would again be: why does one guy earn 500€/month, and someone else 5000 or more? And we ve been through that... The problem is really the hierarchical structure of bussineses. I know, someone has to organise things, someone has to decide about this and that... But all that could be imo done without the parasites (yes, I still say that they are parasites) at the top. Not to mention that if power would be more equaly shared, more people would need to fuckup to have the same result as a fuckup of one person has now.
We can always do a little research "behind the scenes" of that bottle of wine. How much did the materials cost (from grapes, glass, the label, etc.), how much did the store pay for it, and was that fair in respect to how much did it cost to produce the bottle, how much of the final price did the store take for themselves, and is that in accordance to the expenses they had with it... Its complicated, but we can quickly determine if someone is taking more than his/her fair share of it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 20, 2008 12:24:49 PM)
Head banger wrote:
yes their starting point may be higher than ours. I guess I dont compare well, because I started with my company before I went to school, so, 9 promotions and one graduation later, I am here, second in comand over three provinces and a few hundred employees. yay. not!!
the starting point is higher because they have learned some things they need. they dont need to actualy know how to screw in said taillight. I supervised a mechanic, I dont know how to re build an engine, nor do I care. I know how to supervise people, manage costs, build business, find efficiencies. thats what I did then.
fair is a point of view. is the price of that botle of wine fair? if you think so, you buy it, if you dont, you dont. you might think it fair, but not be able to aford it. then you make a new decision, can I borow the money and what will it cost me. now personaly, I think that borowing for wine is idiocy, but thats my value judgment.
companies lose money and continue for a few reasons. they made money in the past and have savings.
they think they can make money again, so borow to get to the good times again. the cost to disolve the company could be more than the yearly opperating losses.
_strat_ wrote:
Or more likely, he would stay there. The fact is that the high positions are a the dominion of the elites. And I would bet a lot that there are a lot of managers that get to their position straight from schools. Maybe they dont become CEOs right away, but their starting point is way higher than ours.
If people pay for it, that doesnt automaticaly mean that its fair.
If these companies lose money, why do they still exist?
Head banger wrote:
they probably dont start out as the guy screwing in the tail light. he would start in sales, accounting, lower managment, enginering, and rise from there. depending on the industry, and his individual skills, he would need some level of schooling, and the drive, then he has to get in the door, and show what he can do. I bet that no one goes straight from school to the CEO chair of any company of any size.
the guys who can and will put in that effort are rare, and those with the skills to match are more rare, so they get to demand more. same as pro athletes. fair? well, people pay it, therefore its fair.
your right, the owners hire thwm, most companies are owned by shareholders, like me, and
the $75 is a historical bit of foolishness. but, the labour costs to build a car are only a minor part of it. disigning it costs billions, the parts, tooling and factories billions more. fact is that most cars sold by these companies lose money. have for years.
and three on one isnt unfair, its just the way it is.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe. Or maybe they start out in such positions. The thing is, not all people start at the bottom, and it would be interesting to see how many corporate leaders started out as "the guy that screws on the tail light". And even if all people would start out at the bottom and rise to the top, would it still justify all their privileges? The high wages and the insane amount of power they hold in a company? I dont think so. And even if a CEO runs the company for a year and fails... With all the rewards and bonuses he gets, he has enough money that would suffice you or me for years.
And just a note, CEOs that rise to that position dont own the company in most cases, but are employed by the owners of the company to lead it. As for the owners... Well, dont even get me started on them.
Over here the rights and duties of the employer and the employee are clearly defined by law. If an employee screws up bad enough that the employer has a valid reason to fire him/her, that will happen and the unions cant do shit. Unfortunately, the unions cant do shit about other things as well, like an employer getting outside his/her rights and demanding more from employee than is allowed.
Ok, moving on to Tim...
I was actualy shocked to hear that a factory worker over there gets 75 $ per hour. Thats the amount of money that I make in two days of work. But that aside, I hardly think that the guy who gets 75$ per hour would be a bigger reason for the high prices of cars than the guy that gets a couple of thousand $ per month + all the insanely high rewards. I mean, if we put all those numbers that we saw in the Blah thread together... A CEO gets more money than all the factory workers put together! Maybe if a CEO would get a regular wage, the cars could be much more affordable, without having to make cuts at the bottom, where it most hurts. Not to mention that 75$ is not a lot in a car that may cost a few thousand $ as a finished product. If it is 75$ per car anyway, because I can hardly imagine that screwing on a single component (like the now infamous "tail light") would take an entire hour. Havent you guys heard of norms?
Employment. Well, yes, you have to prove it. And you can work hard and try hard, but so can the other guy. Its a competition where there are few winners but many losers. And of course, the employer is the one that will ultimately decide who gets the job. And of course, I agree that we shouldnt go firing people because a new candidate has been found after the old one was already employeed. That is a matter of job security, and with it social security.
Social equality is in my opinion definately something that we should work for. From experiences in my country, social equality is a quarantee of a peacefull society, with considerably lower crime rates, suicide rates, ect. A society like we have now, with competition on every corner, and massive class divisions does completetly the opposite.
As for the pros and cons of a socialist system... Well, as far as Im concerned the worst kind of socialism is better than the best kind of capitalism. Its not all crazy Ivans with nukes, you know.
Moving on to Freeze... (3 on 1! It aint a fair fight! :D)
Ot goes back to basic capitalist economics. Thats not the only kind of economics, and as I said a lot of time before, it is not without alternatives. The thing is, that people of all proffesions contribute to the wealth of a society, and even though someones work might be valued less in terms of money, it doesnt mean that we can do without it.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, your right in the difference between decent wage and decent life. A wage may help make a decent life, but its not the end all. your right too that education by itsself doesnt qualify you for any job. the work a person is willing to do is a part of them, and their character, but its sure not the only thing. but, rarely do people rise to leadership positions, and hold them for any length of time without leadership skills. some are learned, mistakes get made, but if you dont have the basic skills, you either own the company, or your daddy does. and in those cases, if you dont know your shit, you fail, and the company does too.
unions, question, do your unions defend all workers who recieve dicipline? even if they did do the wrong thing? ours do. they take dues and contribute them to political causes, without asking the membership, spend money on the leaders trips, not that they help the workers any. today, a union is just like any business, selling a "service" not a physical product. but they just sell, and are just there to make money, just as a business is. in fact, the unionized office workers of a union near here went on strike to complain about the way they were treated there.
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
Or more likely, he would stay there. The fact is that the high positions are a the dominion of the elites. And I would bet a lot that there are a lot of managers that get to their position straight from schools. Maybe they dont become CEOs right away, but their starting point is way higher than ours.
If people pay for it, that doesnt automaticaly mean that its fair.
If these companies lose money, why do they still exist? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:50:17 AM)
Head banger wrote:
they probably dont start out as the guy screwing in the tail light. he would start in sales, accounting, lower managment, enginering, and rise from there. depending on the industry, and his individual skills, he would need some level of schooling, and the drive, then he has to get in the door, and show what he can do. I bet that no one goes straight from school to the CEO chair of any company of any size.
the guys who can and will put in that effort are rare, and those with the skills to match are more rare, so they get to demand more. same as pro athletes. fair? well, people pay it, therefore its fair.
your right, the owners hire thwm, most companies are owned by shareholders, like me, and
the $75 is a historical bit of foolishness. but, the labour costs to build a car are only a minor part of it. disigning it costs billions, the parts, tooling and factories billions more. fact is that most cars sold by these companies lose money. have for years.
and three on one isnt unfair, its just the way it is.
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe. Or maybe they start out in such positions. The thing is, not all people start at the bottom, and it would be interesting to see how many corporate leaders started out as "the guy that screws on the tail light". And even if all people would start out at the bottom and rise to the top, would it still justify all their privileges? The high wages and the insane amount of power they hold in a company? I dont think so. And even if a CEO runs the company for a year and fails... With all the rewards and bonuses he gets, he has enough money that would suffice you or me for years.
And just a note, CEOs that rise to that position dont own the company in most cases, but are employed by the owners of the company to lead it. As for the owners... Well, dont even get me started on them.
Over here the rights and duties of the employer and the employee are clearly defined by law. If an employee screws up bad enough that the employer has a valid reason to fire him/her, that will happen and the unions cant do shit. Unfortunately, the unions cant do shit about other things as well, like an employer getting outside his/her rights and demanding more from employee than is allowed.
Ok, moving on to Tim...
I was actualy shocked to hear that a factory worker over there gets 75 $ per hour. Thats the amount of money that I make in two days of work. But that aside, I hardly think that the guy who gets 75$ per hour would be a bigger reason for the high prices of cars than the guy that gets a couple of thousand $ per month + all the insanely high rewards. I mean, if we put all those numbers that we saw in the Blah thread together... A CEO gets more money than all the factory workers put together! Maybe if a CEO would get a regular wage, the cars could be much more affordable, without having to make cuts at the bottom, where it most hurts. Not to mention that 75$ is not a lot in a car that may cost a few thousand $ as a finished product. If it is 75$ per car anyway, because I can hardly imagine that screwing on a single component (like the now infamous "tail light") would take an entire hour. Havent you guys heard of norms?
Employment. Well, yes, you have to prove it. And you can work hard and try hard, but so can the other guy. Its a competition where there are few winners but many losers. And of course, the employer is the one that will ultimately decide who gets the job. And of course, I agree that we shouldnt go firing people because a new candidate has been found after the old one was already employeed. That is a matter of job security, and with it social security.
Social equality is in my opinion definately something that we should work for. From experiences in my country, social equality is a quarantee of a peacefull society, with considerably lower crime rates, suicide rates, ect. A society like we have now, with competition on every corner, and massive class divisions does completetly the opposite.
As for the pros and cons of a socialist system... Well, as far as Im concerned the worst kind of socialism is better than the best kind of capitalism. Its not all crazy Ivans with nukes, you know.
Moving on to Freeze... (3 on 1! It aint a fair fight! :D)
Ot goes back to basic capitalist economics. Thats not the only kind of economics, and as I said a lot of time before, it is not without alternatives. The thing is, that people of all proffesions contribute to the wealth of a society, and even though someones work might be valued less in terms of money, it doesnt mean that we can do without it.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, your right in the difference between decent wage and decent life. A wage may help make a decent life, but its not the end all. your right too that education by itsself doesnt qualify you for any job. the work a person is willing to do is a part of them, and their character, but its sure not the only thing. but, rarely do people rise to leadership positions, and hold them for any length of time without leadership skills. some are learned, mistakes get made, but if you dont have the basic skills, you either own the company, or your daddy does. and in those cases, if you dont know your shit, you fail, and the company does too.
unions, question, do your unions defend all workers who recieve dicipline? even if they did do the wrong thing? ours do. they take dues and contribute them to political causes, without asking the membership, spend money on the leaders trips, not that they help the workers any. today, a union is just like any business, selling a "service" not a physical product. but they just sell, and are just there to make money, just as a business is. in fact, the unionized office workers of a union near here went on strike to complain about the way they were treated there.
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
I know that I wont change the world. I know that very well. I also know that my posts wont bring down the current world order, just as yours wont protect it. We are debating, thats all. Not changing the world. Hell, I work most of the week, and sleep or geek out my spare time. Not much time left to change the world.
BUT... The system... Maybe at your end, IDK, youve had it long enough, and maybe youll keep it for a lot longer. We on the other hand... In the 20th century alone we went through such massive changes, that it would be absolutely foolish to say that the current system will last till long after Im gone. We started the century as a part of an empire, then joined a monarchy that later became a socialist republic, that in term disolved into many smaller bourgeois democracies. We were through three wars on our soil, we had two emperors, a king, a socialist leader, and a number of government coalitions. To say that it ends with what we have now, is extremely short-sighted. So is claiming that for the entire world, actualy. Many nations have been through much more turmoil and have gone through much more changes in a shorter period of time than we did. And things will change, and they will change very soon, Im sure. With or without the help of the two of us. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 20, 2008 11:18:50 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
The thing is, that people of all proffesions contribute to the wealth of a society, and even though someones work might be valued less in terms of money, it doesnt mean that we can do without it. You're right, it doesn't. However, it is what it is and although I can remember a time in my life when I wanted to "change the world", I eventually realized that I will not. My suggestion is that you start your own country. The "system" is far older than the two of us put together and will be around LONG after we are both gone. You may not like it, but that is the fact. Personally, I found that I was FAR more successful in my professional life by accepting it and "playing the game", as you say. ( Selling out?) Fighting may feed your 'soul' but it doesn't buy much in the way of food, clothing and whatnot. I hate to be a spoiler but that is also fact.
There is always a "better" way. Perhaps, with all we have seen in the financial crisis, there will be HUGE change. I do not know. I have been saying from the beginning that this is not all the fault of big business and Wall Street. People make their own beds, my friend. Buying things you know you cannot afford on credit is stupidity and you get what you deserve. That is how I see it but I fear we are venturing into yet another topic and I must go make breakfast for the Princess!
_strat_ wrote:
Maybe. Or maybe they start out in such positions. The thing is, not all people start at the bottom, and it would be interesting to see how many corporate leaders started out as "the guy that screws on the tail light". And even if all people would start out at the bottom and rise to the top, would it still justify all their privileges? The high wages and the insane amount of power they hold in a company? I dont think so. And even if a CEO runs the company for a year and fails... With all the rewards and bonuses he gets, he has enough money that would suffice you or me for years.
And just a note, CEOs that rise to that position dont own the company in most cases, but are employed by the owners of the company to lead it. As for the owners... Well, dont even get me started on them.
Over here the rights and duties of the employer and the employee are clearly defined by law. If an employee screws up bad enough that the employer has a valid reason to fire him/her, that will happen and the unions cant do shit. Unfortunately, the unions cant do shit about other things as well, like an employer getting outside his/her rights and demanding more from employee than is allowed.
Ok, moving on to Tim...
I was actualy shocked to hear that a factory worker over there gets 75 $ per hour. Thats the amount of money that I make in two days of work. But that aside, I hardly think that the guy who gets 75$ per hour would be a bigger reason for the high prices of cars than the guy that gets a couple of thousand $ per month + all the insanely high rewards. I mean, if we put all those numbers that we saw in the Blah thread together... A CEO gets more money than all the factory workers put together! Maybe if a CEO would get a regular wage, the cars could be much more affordable, without having to make cuts at the bottom, where it most hurts. Not to mention that 75$ is not a lot in a car that may cost a few thousand $ as a finished product. If it is 75$ per car anyway, because I can hardly imagine that screwing on a single component (like the now infamous "tail light") would take an entire hour. Havent you guys heard of norms?
Employment. Well, yes, you have to prove it. And you can work hard and try hard, but so can the other guy. Its a competition where there are few winners but many losers. And of course, the employer is the one that will ultimately decide who gets the job. And of course, I agree that we shouldnt go firing people because a new candidate has been found after the old one was already employeed. That is a matter of job security, and with it social security.
Social equality is in my opinion definately something that we should work for. From experiences in my country, social equality is a quarantee of a peacefull society, with considerably lower crime rates, suicide rates, ect. A society like we have now, with competition on every corner, and massive class divisions does completetly the opposite.
As for the pros and cons of a socialist system... Well, as far as Im concerned the worst kind of socialism is better than the best kind of capitalism. Its not all crazy Ivans with nukes, you know.
Moving on to Freeze... (3 on 1! It aint a fair fight! :D)
Ot goes back to basic capitalist economics. Thats not the only kind of economics, and as I said a lot of time before, it is not without alternatives. The thing is, that people of all proffesions contribute to the wealth of a society, and even though someones work might be valued less in terms of money, it doesnt mean that we can do without it.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, your right in the difference between decent wage and decent life. A wage may help make a decent life, but its not the end all. your right too that education by itsself doesnt qualify you for any job. the work a person is willing to do is a part of them, and their character, but its sure not the only thing. but, rarely do people rise to leadership positions, and hold them for any length of time without leadership skills. some are learned, mistakes get made, but if you dont have the basic skills, you either own the company, or your daddy does. and in those cases, if you dont know your shit, you fail, and the company does too.
unions, question, do your unions defend all workers who recieve dicipline? even if they did do the wrong thing? ours do. they take dues and contribute them to political causes, without asking the membership, spend money on the leaders trips, not that they help the workers any. today, a union is just like any business, selling a "service" not a physical product. but they just sell, and are just there to make money, just as a business is. in fact, the unionized office workers of a union near here went on strike to complain about the way they were treated there.
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
A guy comes into a library with a book that is long overdue. He says to the librarian: " This book is crap. Plenty of characters, but no action!" The librarian then turns to her collegue and says: "I think we finaly got that phone book back".
A drunk stops a taxi near the railway station, and says: "take me to the railway station!" "but we are already there!" Replies the driver. The drunk takes out a 20€ bill out of his pocket and says: "drive more slowly next time".
In any case, good luck. Show them yanks what a real sport is! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:15:59 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
This has been one heck of a year in the old coaching world. Basically got the soccer team tossed in my lap also ! Parents realized that, although I'm no expert on the game, I now how to coach a hell of a lot better than the real coach and as much as I have tried to support the coach the team is looking to me. Now I've got a soccer team going into post season and baseball sign ups tomorrow ! No rest for the wicked !
_strat_ wrote:
TIM!!! You live! Where were you? havent seen you for ages.
TIMBONI wrote:
I think I'll just take your word for it on that one !
Maybe. Or maybe they start out in such positions. The thing is, not all people start at the bottom, and it would be interesting to see how many corporate leaders started out as "the guy that screws on the tail light". And even if all people would start out at the bottom and rise to the top, would it still justify all their privileges? The high wages and the insane amount of power they hold in a company? I dont think so. And even if a CEO runs the company for a year and fails... With all the rewards and bonuses he gets, he has enough money that would suffice you or me for years.
And just a note, CEOs that rise to that position dont own the company in most cases, but are employed by the owners of the company to lead it. As for the owners... Well, dont even get me started on them.
Over here the rights and duties of the employer and the employee are clearly defined by law. If an employee screws up bad enough that the employer has a valid reason to fire him/her, that will happen and the unions cant do shit. Unfortunately, the unions cant do shit about other things as well, like an employer getting outside his/her rights and demanding more from employee than is allowed.
Ok, moving on to Tim...
I was actualy shocked to hear that a factory worker over there gets 75 $ per hour. Thats the amount of money that I make in two days of work. But that aside, I hardly think that the guy who gets 75$ per hour would be a bigger reason for the high prices of cars than the guy that gets a couple of thousand $ per month + all the insanely high rewards. I mean, if we put all those numbers that we saw in the Blah thread together... A CEO gets more money than all the factory workers put together! Maybe if a CEO would get a regular wage, the cars could be much more affordable, without having to make cuts at the bottom, where it most hurts. Not to mention that 75$ is not a lot in a car that may cost a few thousand $ as a finished product. If it is 75$ per car anyway, because I can hardly imagine that screwing on a single component (like the now infamous "tail light") would take an entire hour. Havent you guys heard of norms?
Employment. Well, yes, you have to prove it. And you can work hard and try hard, but so can the other guy. Its a competition where there are few winners but many losers. And of course, the employer is the one that will ultimately decide who gets the job. And of course, I agree that we shouldnt go firing people because a new candidate has been found after the old one was already employeed. That is a matter of job security, and with it social security.
Social equality is in my opinion definately something that we should work for. From experiences in my country, social equality is a quarantee of a peacefull society, with considerably lower crime rates, suicide rates, ect. A society like we have now, with competition on every corner, and massive class divisions does completetly the opposite.
As for the pros and cons of a socialist system... Well, as far as Im concerned the worst kind of socialism is better than the best kind of capitalism. Its not all crazy Ivans with nukes, you know.
Moving on to Freeze... (3 on 1! It aint a fair fight! :D)
Ot goes back to basic capitalist economics. Thats not the only kind of economics, and as I said a lot of time before, it is not without alternatives. The thing is, that people of all proffesions contribute to the wealth of a society, and even though someones work might be valued less in terms of money, it doesnt mean that we can do without it.
Strat, your right in the difference between decent wage and decent life. A wage may help make a decent life, but its not the end all. your right too that education by itsself doesnt qualify you for any job. the work a person is willing to do is a part of them, and their character, but its sure not the only thing. but, rarely do people rise to leadership positions, and hold them for any length of time without leadership skills. some are learned, mistakes get made, but if you dont have the basic skills, you either own the company, or your daddy does. and in those cases, if you dont know your shit, you fail, and the company does too.
unions, question, do your unions defend all workers who recieve dicipline? even if they did do the wrong thing? ours do. they take dues and contribute them to political causes, without asking the membership, spend money on the leaders trips, not that they help the workers any. today, a union is just like any business, selling a "service" not a physical product. but they just sell, and are just there to make money, just as a business is. in fact, the unionized office workers of a union near here went on strike to complain about the way they were treated there.
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
That bible thumping redneck? Dont even mention him. He will be on our backs soon enough, when he stops the days work of lynching and shotgun polishing. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 5:46:23 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes. Yes I do! Its just one of your endearing qualities, my friend! Not like that nasty guido that I loathe!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Id sooner convert than stop arguing, as you know very well.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Religion??!?!?!? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where's the fun in that?? We actually agree. Don't tell me you are tired of arguing?? HAAAAHAHAHHAA!!! Oh man! That will be the day!
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
Id sooner convert than stop arguing, as you know very well. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 5:40:50 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Religion??!?!?!? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where's the fun in that?? We actually agree. Don't tell me you are tired of arguing?? HAAAAHAHAHHAA!!! Oh man! That will be the day!
_strat_ wrote:
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
You can open up another window, go to JP.com and have it right there... But anyway, I wanted us to relocate here, because this is the thread for it, and we were going on in a general discussion one.
Ok, to the point:
Value as a human being was not my point either. The point was that the education you need to have to do a certain job, does not automaticaly make you fit for that job. If we take a CEO, a manager, or even an ordinary boss, whats the thing you would expect from them? Well, expertise is one, and I grant you that can be pretty much learned. But what about the things like leadership abilities, organisational abilities, being a responsible person... etc.? Those things are a matter of character if they are of anything. And as I said the ONLY thing that a good education proves about you, is that you are willing to learn and work. There is MUCH more to a person, and much more to the work that the person does.
The pros and cons of capitalism are actualy very much connected to the entire issue that we have been discussing lately. And it is connected to the next point as well: unions.
Now, I dont know how your unions work, so I can speak for our unions, and say that they do a very good job, within their abilities in the current socio-economic system. They are always the first to point out corruption, and the first ones to defend the rights of the working class. I think that we would have it a lot worse, if it wasnt for our unions.
As for life... We have choices, sure. But the thing is that in any society, our choices collide with the choices of others. The example that I gave earlier about five people applying for a job and only one getting it is perfect for this. All want it, but only one gets it. The choice is in the hands of the employer, not the candidate. Tho my comment was of course on how to value decent life, when I pointed out that we value it by the lives of the people around us, and that is also my argument for promoting social equality.
Oh, and mybe we should talk about religion? We agree on that.
Ok, now, ill probably stick around for awhile, but dont be surprised to have me MIA until next morning. Its pretty damn late here.
OK strat, I will try to comment on your Blah post but, as you well know, I have a rather feeble mind and I cannot recall everything you mentioned.
I agree that a degree does not automatically make you intelligent. I have met some "dumb-ass" college people, too. As for your value as a human being, I do not remember EVER saying anything about value. If I did, I need to apologize NOW because value was never my point. The pros and cons of capitalism are ANOTHER issue all together. I am aware of your opinion. I respect it. Don't agree with it, but then you and I rarely agree. That is OK.
I do not care for unions. They had their time and did what they needed to do MANY years ago. They are as corrupt as the high-level corporate managers you so despise, in my humble opinion. And as for having a decent life, I believe your life is what you make of it. I do not expect any corporation to do anything more than let me try my best and get as far as I can. I do not wish to be a CEO, either! WAY too much work and responsibility for me! As I said, I like my weekends.
OH, and I REALLY think that we should move this to the social issues thread. Freeze, please,could you respond there? I mean, we are sort of obstructing the regular activity here.
Decent life, not wage. There is a world of difference between the daily/weekly/monthly sum of money that we get for our work, and the lifestyle we live. The fact of the matter is that it is indeed subjective. It depends, on the individual, but much more so on the overall social status of a society. The fact is that we do measure our wealth by how much other people have. That is why Im a big advocate of promoting social equality.
Pension is NOT a reward from a company. It is an OBLIGATION of the company to pay in your pension fund (at least by our laws it is). Pensions, guaranteed minimal wages, limited work hours, guaranteed lunch time and the rest of the workers rights are NOT solidarity from the ruling classes. Infact, when capitalism first evolved some 200 years ago, workers had NONE of those rights. They were fought for in many years of strikes, union pressures, unrests, and overall class struggle.
The information about the thousands wanting to become succesfull businesmen comes from observing. Statistics. Over here, the most sought after high school and college programes are busines related - much more people want to get an education in economics than (for example) carpentry.
The thing about education is also what Guido already mentioned. In a capitalist system, with private education, good education is not a right, its a privilege. Sure, if you try hard enough, you may get a scholarship, but connections and money of the elite will ALWAYS outgun the regular people that want to make it big.
Than it is of course the matter of just how much value does education actualy have. I know people without highschool education that are actualy quite intelligent and reasonable. And I have a case in my wider family, of a very well educated guy, who is a total dumbass, and fuck all his degrees and diplomas. The only thing that good education proves is that you are persistent enough to learn and work. It DOES NOT automaticaly mean that you have intelligence, leadership abilities, intelligence, etc. In short, there is much more to a person than just his/her education.
Leading, yes, someone has to. But to what extent? Over what? With what level of authority? Set by whom? Responsible to whom? Do the CEOs and managers answer to their employees? No, they dont. They used to over here, back in socialism, when they answered to the workers councils. That worked. This doesnt. Should they have practicly unlimited authority in their companies? Because the fact of the matter is that companies are more or less dictatorships.
And yes, you really are being naive. I cannot be a CEO. And all else aside, I dont WANT to be one. Im a graphic designer. Thats what I do, and hopefully my further education will be in that direction. Its what I chose and what I like. So, someone else chooses to be a businesman. Why should he/she be valued more than me, or you (whatever the proffesion you are in is)? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 19, 2008 9:56:04 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Now then, having responded to that, lets turn to our friend strat;
Decent wage? Interesting enough but, again, rather vague. How does one define "decent". I am almost certain that you and I would differ there, right? Pensions? Hmm. That is a way that a company rewards a LONG TERM employee. It is a good thing, unless you are a slug that is jumping from job to job with no loyalty. Decency seems to be your theme but again I ask, how do you define the word? If your bills are paid and you can eat, is that decent? If you can take a vacation once a year or every other year , is that decent? If you make enough to go out and buy a home, is that decent? Hmm...
Earning a position. ( Please see my previous comments on Paulson) There is a reason business schools exist. The things they teach are important. Just how would you propose we define "earn"? And just where do you get the information that substantiates your "competitiion" theory? Thousands of others that want the position? Wow. I find that difficult to believe, given that the position requires certain elements that many (if not most) people simply do not possess. And "buying" the positions? How is that done? Inherit it? How? Just what criteria should be employed in determining who runs a corporation? And make NO mistake, it is not a "useless" position. Forget Corporate Structure for just a moment. Someone has to lead. Decisions (very HARD decisions) must be made. I suppose we could just go down to the assembly line and pick some guy "screwing in the tail lights" for the position? Oh yeah, VERY qualified.
Do you really think I am being naive when I say that YOU have as much opportunity as anyone else?? It is a shame that you do not think as highly of yourself as I do. You're right, not everyone can be a winner. good point. But I can tell you this, ALL "winners" believe in themselves. That's a start. It takes time, man. It does not happen overnight. Or in a year. Or in two. Hard work and dedication are only part of it. Focus and drive are others. Setting goals and all that "naive" type stuff.
As for the symbiosis analogy, I liked it. Very illustrative, although I do not completely agree. It is the economics of fundamental business. Supply and demand. In some way, we all rely on one another. We can argue the virtues of the "system" all day long but if you really think about it, you choose your life man. If tail light assembly does not strike you as a "decent" way to make a living, do something else. Getting an education is an obvious first step. But it does open doors. Then you too could be part of this mysterious "competition" to inherit a chance to purchase a job..........HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Formula... There is no "formula" that I would know of. If you ask me, all this shit with wages and pensions is bullshit. If one works a decent work, one should be able to live a decent life, end of story.
Earning the position... Good job, if such a position or such an income could actualy be earned. Which it cant be. It can be won in a competition with thousands of others who want to get to the same spot, it can be bought with connections, hell, maybe it can even be inherited over there in the States, for all I know. I fail to see any logic whatsoever in claiming that anyone can earn so much power over the lives of so many people, who cant do anything else but to comply, or get fired. And thats just the problem. That all the power, the control of a corporation, in some cases power to control entire national economies, is concentrated in the hands of the few. Now, I dont care how much they are stressed, how hard they try (even if they did try to do anything else apart from filling their bank accounts), if they fuckup, they fuckup good. Just like they did now. And responsability... Please. They should be held responsible, since they hold such a disproportionate amount of power, but they are not. Just look at whats happening now (at least it is happening here). Over the last few years, we had a wonderfull economic growth. Splendid. All the indexes were up, statistics were looking great, CEOs, politicians, managers were all smiling... And all that time, most of the working class lived in appauling conditions. The unions were staging strikes like crazy, and all they managed to get were a few cents here and there on the minimal wage. In short, when there was money, they wouldnt share it. But now, just before the reccesion, they talk about us "pulling together", working longer for less, and saving what can still be saved. They wouldnt share the good times, no. But when the shit hits the fan, they will pack their suitcases full of stolen money from the years of economic growth, and leave us with the debts that they created in the first place.
Then the opportunity bit... You dont actualy think that they are growing and expanding their businesses out of solidarity with us? That we would get new jobs? Theyre doing it for themselves, and thats it. You think that I would be given an opportunity to get the job I have now, if the company wouldnt be sure that they would be making more money off me than they spend on me? And, of course, do you think that the big fish would let us near their positions, just to give us the opportunity to succed? Thats just plain naive. There is opportunity, sure. But not everyone can be a winner. Basic logic: if there are 5 different people competing for 1 job, 1 of them gets it, the others dont, no matter how hard they try. Not everyone can succed in this system. Infact, only a few can.
Oh, and the equipment part... They wouldnt have food on the table, if there were no people that would buy and use their products. That is called a symbiosis. However, I still stand by the position that the CEOs are parasites.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's address the comments.
First; just how do you propose we "justify" an income? What formula do you feel is "fair" and , if so, why is that fairer than earning the position or whatever system we have now? What makes their income so terrible? Because it is greater than ours?? Is that it? Is that all?
Next; you claim that it is "us" who "put food on their tables". Really? Can the same be said for the person that manufactures the items YOU use on the job? I mean, without them, YOU would not have food on the table, correct? Now, by this logic, YOU are the "elite", no?
Next; we so often hear about all the "bad" things CEOs do. They make countless decisions that affect thousands of lives and, when one or two of them go bad, we are so quick to condemn that whole. Amazing. In most cases, it IS because of these people and their ability that we, the common man, are given the opportunity to succeed. As for education, it is out there for everyone. (At least in the US) NOT every single CEO is a Harvard Business grad. Are there privileged? Certainly. In every country, in all social systems, there are the few. Does not mean that YOU strat could not run a corporation if you so desired. The question then becomes, are you motivated? Do you have ambition? I scoff when I see people going on about how the "little guy" is so abused by the system. Whatever. You can be just about anything you want to be IF you have the drive.
I do not see the Business Leaders of the world as "parasites" They are no worse than you and me. We all rely on each other and I, for one, could NOT dowhat they do. I am not qualified nor do I have that kind of drive. I like my weekends! I like my evenings.
_strat_ wrote:
The issue here would be, that even if they work more, it hardly warrants such ridiculously high incomes. Incomes that are made by the entire company, not just that one person that carries his laptop to the toilet.
MM has a valid point. The wages of the beourgeois are really just the tip of the iceberg. With all the incomes that they get, they could have retired at 35 or even before that, and would be much better of than the rest of us, who will have to work until we are old and gray, and get a pension that will barely sustain us.
Than there is the issue of responsability. Yes, they get a lot of shit. BUT they do a lot of shit themselves. As I mentioned earlier, their fuckups are much more serious than ours, and affect all of us. But with the current legislature in most countries, a CEO or a manager that screws something up, will like as not get away with it. And of course their decisions. Outsourcing is a great example. Is outsourcing the jobs somewhere else responsible to the workers that are being outsourced? Yet it is done more and more.
The thing is, that if a bourgeois works 24/7, I dont really care about it. The rest of us still put bread on his table, not the other way around. Even if a person works non-stop all his/her waking hours, its still just one person. Can he/she do more than thousands of others that also provide income for the company, and get a considerably smaller piece of it? Thats impossible.
These people may be visionaries, planners, and whatnot, but the problem is that they are the elite that get to fulfill their visions and dreams. The rest of us cant, because the game forces us to fulfill theirs.
And thats another point: all of us cannot be CEOs and managers. Bourgeoisie is by definition a minority social class. All of us cannot afford the education to get there, all of us wont get the sam opportunities to be at the right plave at the right time, and all of us dont have connections to the elite that would get us there.
All that said... They are parasites. We can do without them. Infact, we were doing quite well without them for decades until the privatisation.
Oh, and mybe we should continue this in the Social issues thread? Just a thought.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night,everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
And it raises a good point: if more people can be hired to do the work that (supposedly) one person (the CEO) does alone... Why bother having a CEO in the first place? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 19, 2008 6:19:30 AM)
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
The Puke from Goldman Sachs with the 68 million dollar bonus...Thats $33,138.40 per hour on a 40 hour work week!! WHERE DO I APPLY!!! I guarantee that that dude did nothing any where near close to a job that earned that kind of money. I will also bet that he WASNT woke up at 3 in the morning everyday or sat on the toilet negotiating this and that. I am in the trucking business, thats what I DO!!! He probably has a fleet of peeps to take care of that for him, ALL paid by Goldman Sachs and I am sure they all received healthy bonuses at the end of the year!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 19, 2008 2:14:41 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Formula... There is no "formula" that I would know of. If you ask me, all this shit with wages and pensions is bullshit. If one works a decent work, one should be able to live a decent life, end of story.
Earning the position... Good job, if such a position or such an income could actualy be earned. Which it cant be. It can be won in a competition with thousands of others who want to get to the same spot, it can be bought with connections, hell, maybe it can even be inherited over there in the States, for all I know. I fail to see any logic whatsoever in claiming that anyone can earn so much power over the lives of so many people, who cant do anything else but to comply, or get fired. And thats just the problem. That all the power, the control of a corporation, in some cases power to control entire national economies, is concentrated in the hands of the few. Now, I dont care how much they are stressed, how hard they try (even if they did try to do anything else apart from filling their bank accounts), if they fuckup, they fuckup good. Just like they did now. And responsability... Please. They should be held responsible, since they hold such a disproportionate amount of power, but they are not. Just look at whats happening now (at least it is happening here). Over the last few years, we had a wonderfull economic growth. Splendid. All the indexes were up, statistics were looking great, CEOs, politicians, managers were all smiling... And all that time, most of the working class lived in appauling conditions. The unions were staging strikes like crazy, and all they managed to get were a few cents here and there on the minimal wage. In short, when there was money, they wouldnt share it. But now, just before the reccesion, they talk about us "pulling together", working longer for less, and saving what can still be saved. They wouldnt share the good times, no. But when the shit hits the fan, they will pack their suitcases full of stolen money from the years of economic growth, and leave us with the debts that they created in the first place.
Then the opportunity bit... You dont actualy think that they are growing and expanding their businesses out of solidarity with us? That we would get new jobs? Theyre doing it for themselves, and thats it. You think that I would be given an opportunity to get the job I have now, if the company wouldnt be sure that they would be making more money off me than they spend on me? And, of course, do you think that the big fish would let us near their positions, just to give us the opportunity to succed? Thats just plain naive. There is opportunity, sure. But not everyone can be a winner. Basic logic: if there are 5 different people competing for 1 job, 1 of them gets it, the others dont, no matter how hard they try. Not everyone can succed in this system. Infact, only a few can.
Oh, and the equipment part... They wouldnt have food on the table, if there were no people that would buy and use their products. That is called a symbiosis. However, I still stand by the position that the CEOs are parasites.
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's address the comments.
First; just how do you propose we "justify" an income? What formula do you feel is "fair" and , if so, why is that fairer than earning the position or whatever system we have now? What makes their income so terrible? Because it is greater than ours?? Is that it? Is that all?
Next; you claim that it is "us" who "put food on their tables". Really? Can the same be said for the person that manufactures the items YOU use on the job? I mean, without them, YOU would not have food on the table, correct? Now, by this logic, YOU are the "elite", no?
Next; we so often hear about all the "bad" things CEOs do. They make countless decisions that affect thousands of lives and, when one or two of them go bad, we are so quick to condemn that whole. Amazing. In most cases, it IS because of these people and their ability that we, the common man, are given the opportunity to succeed. As for education, it is out there for everyone. (At least in the US) NOT every single CEO is a Harvard Business grad. Are there privileged? Certainly. In every country, in all social systems, there are the few. Does not mean that YOU strat could not run a corporation if you so desired. The question then becomes, are you motivated? Do you have ambition? I scoff when I see people going on about how the "little guy" is so abused by the system. Whatever. You can be just about anything you want to be IF you have the drive.
I do not see the Business Leaders of the world as "parasites" They are no worse than you and me. We all rely on each other and I, for one, could NOT dowhat they do. I am not qualified nor do I have that kind of drive. I like my weekends! I like my evenings.
_strat_ wrote:
The issue here would be, that even if they work more, it hardly warrants such ridiculously high incomes. Incomes that are made by the entire company, not just that one person that carries his laptop to the toilet.
MM has a valid point. The wages of the beourgeois are really just the tip of the iceberg. With all the incomes that they get, they could have retired at 35 or even before that, and would be much better of than the rest of us, who will have to work until we are old and gray, and get a pension that will barely sustain us.
Than there is the issue of responsability. Yes, they get a lot of shit. BUT they do a lot of shit themselves. As I mentioned earlier, their fuckups are much more serious than ours, and affect all of us. But with the current legislature in most countries, a CEO or a manager that screws something up, will like as not get away with it. And of course their decisions. Outsourcing is a great example. Is outsourcing the jobs somewhere else responsible to the workers that are being outsourced? Yet it is done more and more.
The thing is, that if a bourgeois works 24/7, I dont really care about it. The rest of us still put bread on his table, not the other way around. Even if a person works non-stop all his/her waking hours, its still just one person. Can he/she do more than thousands of others that also provide income for the company, and get a considerably smaller piece of it? Thats impossible.
These people may be visionaries, planners, and whatnot, but the problem is that they are the elite that get to fulfill their visions and dreams. The rest of us cant, because the game forces us to fulfill theirs.
And thats another point: all of us cannot be CEOs and managers. Bourgeoisie is by definition a minority social class. All of us cannot afford the education to get there, all of us wont get the sam opportunities to be at the right plave at the right time, and all of us dont have connections to the elite that would get us there.
All that said... They are parasites. We can do without them. Infact, we were doing quite well without them for decades until the privatisation.
Oh, and mybe we should continue this in the Social issues thread? Just a thought.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night,everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
TIM!!! You live! Where were you? havent seen you for ages. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:49:48 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
I think I'll just take your word for it on that one !
Well... I suppose the only thing that can be said is that your average child is physichaly weaker than your average adult, and its harder for it to put up a fight (btw. I intentionaly use "it" when talking about children).
Other than that, one of the rare occasions when we agree.
The only ones who have to "care" are the police. Its their job after all. Oh, and the kids family, obviously. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:23:33 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, at GREAT personal risk I will tell you all what is really PISSING ME OFF;
Who killed Caley Anthony? WHO FRIGGIN CARES?!?!?!?!? I mean, PLEASE do not misunderstand me! It is clearly a tragedy. I feel terribly for the family involved but, WHAT THE F&@*#????? Kids get kidnapped and killed EVERYDAY. It is incredibly unfortunate. It is terribly sad. It is horrible... BUT, it is just another kid! What the hell?? Was this kid a genius that was on the verge of develpoing a cure for cancer or something?? WHY is this such "big" news??? WHY do so many people give a rat's ass??? I am so sick of hearing about it. All over the news. All over the tabloids. All over the television. COME ON PEOPLE! There is absolutely NOTHINGspecial about this child! Go ahead and villify me if you will! As heartless as I may sound , she was just another horribly unfortunate kid that met with an untimely demise. Nothing more, nothing less.
Formula... There is no "formula" that I would know of. If you ask me, all this shit with wages and pensions is bullshit. If one works a decent work, one should be able to live a decent life, end of story.
Earning the position... Good job, if such a position or such an income could actualy be earned. Which it cant be. It can be won in a competition with thousands of others who want to get to the same spot, it can be bought with connections, hell, maybe it can even be inherited over there in the States, for all I know. I fail to see any logic whatsoever in claiming that anyone can earn so much power over the lives of so many people, who cant do anything else but to comply, or get fired. And thats just the problem. That all the power, the control of a corporation, in some cases power to control entire national economies, is concentrated in the hands of the few. Now, I dont care how much they are stressed, how hard they try (even if they did try to do anything else apart from filling their bank accounts), if they fuckup, they fuckup good. Just like they did now. And responsability... Please. They should be held responsible, since they hold such a disproportionate amount of power, but they are not. Just look at whats happening now (at least it is happening here). Over the last few years, we had a wonderfull economic growth. Splendid. All the indexes were up, statistics were looking great, CEOs, politicians, managers were all smiling... And all that time, most of the working class lived in appauling conditions. The unions were staging strikes like crazy, and all they managed to get were a few cents here and there on the minimal wage. In short, when there was money, they wouldnt share it. But now, just before the reccesion, they talk about us "pulling together", working longer for less, and saving what can still be saved. They wouldnt share the good times, no. But when the shit hits the fan, they will pack their suitcases full of stolen money from the years of economic growth, and leave us with the debts that they created in the first place.
Then the opportunity bit... You dont actualy think that they are growing and expanding their businesses out of solidarity with us? That we would get new jobs? Theyre doing it for themselves, and thats it. You think that I would be given an opportunity to get the job I have now, if the company wouldnt be sure that they would be making more money off me than they spend on me? And, of course, do you think that the big fish would let us near their positions, just to give us the opportunity to succed? Thats just plain naive. There is opportunity, sure. But not everyone can be a winner. Basic logic: if there are 5 different people competing for 1 job, 1 of them gets it, the others dont, no matter how hard they try. Not everyone can succed in this system. Infact, only a few can.
Oh, and the equipment part... They wouldnt have food on the table, if there were no people that would buy and use their products. That is called a symbiosis. However, I still stand by the position that the CEOs are parasites. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:24:14 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, let's address the comments.
First; just how do you propose we "justify" an income? What formula do you feel is "fair" and , if so, why is that fairer than earning the position or whatever system we have now? What makes their income so terrible? Because it is greater than ours?? Is that it? Is that all?
Next; you claim that it is "us" who "put food on their tables". Really? Can the same be said for the person that manufactures the items YOU use on the job? I mean, without them, YOU would not have food on the table, correct? Now, by this logic, YOU are the "elite", no?
Next; we so often hear about all the "bad" things CEOs do. They make countless decisions that affect thousands of lives and, when one or two of them go bad, we are so quick to condemn that whole. Amazing. In most cases, it IS because of these people and their ability that we, the common man, are given the opportunity to succeed. As for education, it is out there for everyone. (At least in the US) NOT every single CEO is a Harvard Business grad. Are there privileged? Certainly. In every country, in all social systems, there are the few. Does not mean that YOU strat could not run a corporation if you so desired. The question then becomes, are you motivated? Do you have ambition? I scoff when I see people going on about how the "little guy" is so abused by the system. Whatever. You can be just about anything you want to be IF you have the drive.
I do not see the Business Leaders of the world as "parasites" They are no worse than you and me. We all rely on each other and I, for one, could NOT dowhat they do. I am not qualified nor do I have that kind of drive. I like my weekends! I like my evenings.
_strat_ wrote:
The issue here would be, that even if they work more, it hardly warrants such ridiculously high incomes. Incomes that are made by the entire company, not just that one person that carries his laptop to the toilet.
MM has a valid point. The wages of the beourgeois are really just the tip of the iceberg. With all the incomes that they get, they could have retired at 35 or even before that, and would be much better of than the rest of us, who will have to work until we are old and gray, and get a pension that will barely sustain us.
Than there is the issue of responsability. Yes, they get a lot of shit. BUT they do a lot of shit themselves. As I mentioned earlier, their fuckups are much more serious than ours, and affect all of us. But with the current legislature in most countries, a CEO or a manager that screws something up, will like as not get away with it. And of course their decisions. Outsourcing is a great example. Is outsourcing the jobs somewhere else responsible to the workers that are being outsourced? Yet it is done more and more.
The thing is, that if a bourgeois works 24/7, I dont really care about it. The rest of us still put bread on his table, not the other way around. Even if a person works non-stop all his/her waking hours, its still just one person. Can he/she do more than thousands of others that also provide income for the company, and get a considerably smaller piece of it? Thats impossible.
These people may be visionaries, planners, and whatnot, but the problem is that they are the elite that get to fulfill their visions and dreams. The rest of us cant, because the game forces us to fulfill theirs.
And thats another point: all of us cannot be CEOs and managers. Bourgeoisie is by definition a minority social class. All of us cannot afford the education to get there, all of us wont get the sam opportunities to be at the right plave at the right time, and all of us dont have connections to the elite that would get us there.
All that said... They are parasites. We can do without them. Infact, we were doing quite well without them for decades until the privatisation.
Oh, and mybe we should continue this in the Social issues thread? Just a thought.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night,everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
The issue here would be, that even if they work more, it hardly warrants such ridiculously high incomes. Incomes that are made by the entire company, not just that one person that carries his laptop to the toilet.
MM has a valid point. The wages of the beourgeois are really just the tip of the iceberg. With all the incomes that they get, they could have retired at 35 or even before that, and would be much better of than the rest of us, who will have to work until we are old and gray, and get a pension that will barely sustain us.
Than there is the issue of responsability. Yes, they get a lot of shit. BUT they do a lot of shit themselves. As I mentioned earlier, their fuckups are much more serious than ours, and affect all of us. But with the current legislature in most countries, a CEO or a manager that screws something up, will like as not get away with it. And of course their decisions. Outsourcing is a great example. Is outsourcing the jobs somewhere else responsible to the workers that are being outsourced? Yet it is done more and more.
The thing is, that if a bourgeois works 24/7, I dont really care about it. The rest of us still put bread on his table, not the other way around. Even if a person works non-stop all his/her waking hours, its still just one person. Can he/she do more than thousands of others that also provide income for the company, and get a considerably smaller piece of it? Thats impossible.
These people may be visionaries, planners, and whatnot, but the problem is that they are the elite that get to fulfill their visions and dreams. The rest of us cant, because the game forces us to fulfill theirs.
And thats another point: all of us cannot be CEOs and managers. Bourgeoisie is by definition a minority social class. All of us cannot afford the education to get there, all of us wont get the sam opportunities to be at the right plave at the right time, and all of us dont have connections to the elite that would get us there.
All that said... They are parasites. We can do without them. Infact, we were doing quite well without them for decades until the privatisation.
Oh, and mybe we should continue this in the Social issues thread? Just a thought.
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night,everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
Well, yeah, I squeeze a few posts here in between my assignments...
I will be only too glad to hear your take. Tho I must run now, because the shift will be over in a few mins, but I will read it and grade it when I get home. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:47:49 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see. And quite busy too, I might add! Interesting conversation about work , income, management and whatnot. I suppose you do not want to hear MY take?
_strat_ wrote:
Good morrow to thee, sleepy one! Some of us have been up for 8 hours already!
Good morrow to thee, sleepy one! Some of us have been up for 8 hours already! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:39:17 AM)
Maybe the CEOs dont give a shit? With a wage of your average bourgeois, they can afford to screw up.
And 14 hours is a lot, BUT... Lets just put the numbers together here... I work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, about 20 days a month on an average month. Income: just under 600€/month, which is not really a bad wage - actualy its twice as high as the minimal wage, tho it depends heavily on how many hours I work. Now, lets take a CEO. IDK what kind of a wage the guy you mentioned has, but if he is a CEO, it must go into a couple of thousand € for sure. Lets say 6000€, which would make him ten times richer than me. If it was a fair distribution, then he would have to work 80 hrs a day! And 6000€ is not really a lot, when it comes to the bourgeois incomes. If they would really have to earn what they get, they wouldnt be getting anywhere near as much as they do. It would be impossible. We, on the other hand, would get a lot more, because we wouldnt be producing their excesses, we could keep a lot more for ourselves. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:49:19 AM)
Head banger wrote:
theft is wrong. end of story. lots of people do it, in proportion to what they can get their hands on, is never right.
I recall reading an article on the top 16 most successful CEO's in the USA. the latest one to get up was up at 0600, was working his email by0601. the average working day was 14 hours. I couldnt deal with that. but I am sure the CEO of ford doesnt want to be the guy screwing on the left tailight on the asembly line forever. its a question of intelectual work vs physical. I am sure our CEO could do my job, probably beter than I could, but I am sure that I would screw up his job, not that I want it. being the guy who if I screwed up costs 90,000 people their jobs, not for me.
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Many long time employees have experience and skills too, but dont get payed well. Its basicly trying to value in money something that cannot be valued in money. I dont know why leadership and bussines abilities should be worth so much more than others, when it comes to incomes, at least. I dont know exactly what type of a job you do, but I can say that the CEO of my company (I dont even know who he is, some Swiss guy probably) wouldnt know how to do my work, and Im pretty damn sure that he wouldnt want it. And thats just one side of it. What about the bussinesmen that abuse their positions and steal companies property? And Im not refering to some office equipment that I might or might have not nicked a couple of days ago. Their corruption goes in billions.
Head banger wrote:
I agree, its not a privelege, but it does in a way define you. you get known as the guy who works at ___, the guy who cant hold a job, the guy who whatever. as for the third world countries, I am greatfull that I dont live there, work like that or any of it. but, you know the managment board isnt realy a parasite. the board of directors is a group who have a ton of experience and skills, and use them to the best of their abilitys. I know that despite the fact that our CEO probably gets paid well more thatn 10 times higher than me (and I would be above the company average) I wouldnt know how to do it, nor would I want the job.
_strat_ wrote:
People in 3rd world countries work for wages like we do. Only they get a lot less, work more and have less rights than we. I dont see any reason not to complain about my employment, if that is warranted (tho currently it isnt, if truth be told). Saying "look how bad they have it" and pointing at China or India, is basicly just a sophisticated way of saying "STFU and work more!"
And if anything, work is a necesity, not an honor or a privilege. I work not because it makes me feel good (because it doesnt) but because I need money, and thats the entire philosophy. As for privilege... Sitting on the managment board in a big company, being a parasite, working an hour or two every day and getting a wage 10 times higher than that of an average employee... That is privilege. Working a normal job is not a privilege. It is just something we need to do to get by.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
There is nothing wrong with a solid work ethic. In fact, I'm one for believing that your work does define you. High standards and attention to detail, raising the bar for those around you, and inspiring your fellow employee. Working 9-5 makes you average. Working 845-515 makes you good. But working 8-6 makes you great. Whatever you do, you are not your job title or description. Do more than the other guy. Step in and fill in those gaps. Professionals are well-rounded in their chosen fields. And great managers know the company business from the ground up.....and are willing to step into any situation to assist should the need arise. Leaders do what the other guy won't. That defines your reputation. That defines your standard. And that defines the man. Work is an honorable trade. Most people in third world nations will never have the priviledge of working for wages. Never complain about your employment. It's a priviledge to work, not to be taken lightly in a free society. Happy Christmas to all!
a. Hammerstein
Well... Many long time employees have experience and skills too, but dont get payed well. Its basicly trying to value in money something that cannot be valued in money. I dont know why leadership and bussines abilities should be worth so much more than others, when it comes to incomes, at least. I dont know exactly what type of a job you do, but I can say that the CEO of my company (I dont even know who he is, some Swiss guy probably) wouldnt know how to do my work, and Im pretty damn sure that he wouldnt want it. And thats just one side of it. What about the bussinesmen that abuse their positions and steal companies property? And Im not refering to some office equipment that I might or might have not nicked a couple of days ago. Their corruption goes in billions. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:25:54 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I agree, its not a privelege, but it does in a way define you. you get known as the guy who works at ___, the guy who cant hold a job, the guy who whatever. as for the third world countries, I am greatfull that I dont live there, work like that or any of it. but, you know the managment board isnt realy a parasite. the board of directors is a group who have a ton of experience and skills, and use them to the best of their abilitys. I know that despite the fact that our CEO probably gets paid well more thatn 10 times higher than me (and I would be above the company average) I wouldnt know how to do it, nor would I want the job.
_strat_ wrote:
People in 3rd world countries work for wages like we do. Only they get a lot less, work more and have less rights than we. I dont see any reason not to complain about my employment, if that is warranted (tho currently it isnt, if truth be told). Saying "look how bad they have it" and pointing at China or India, is basicly just a sophisticated way of saying "STFU and work more!"
And if anything, work is a necesity, not an honor or a privilege. I work not because it makes me feel good (because it doesnt) but because I need money, and thats the entire philosophy. As for privilege... Sitting on the managment board in a big company, being a parasite, working an hour or two every day and getting a wage 10 times higher than that of an average employee... That is privilege. Working a normal job is not a privilege. It is just something we need to do to get by.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
There is nothing wrong with a solid work ethic. In fact, I'm one for believing that your work does define you. High standards and attention to detail, raising the bar for those around you, and inspiring your fellow employee. Working 9-5 makes you average. Working 845-515 makes you good. But working 8-6 makes you great. Whatever you do, you are not your job title or description. Do more than the other guy. Step in and fill in those gaps. Professionals are well-rounded in their chosen fields. And great managers know the company business from the ground up.....and are willing to step into any situation to assist should the need arise. Leaders do what the other guy won't. That defines your reputation. That defines your standard. And that defines the man. Work is an honorable trade. Most people in third world nations will never have the priviledge of working for wages. Never complain about your employment. It's a priviledge to work, not to be taken lightly in a free society. Happy Christmas to all!
a. Hammerstein
I still think they should do it for free. The little bastards...
Seriously tho, I just thought its weird... First time I heard of it. But I guess it works well. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:08:41 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Good morning/Day everyone...
Sorry Strat, I had to leave abruptly last night...I can't really add to what has already been posted about paying neighborhood kids to shovel snow.
When I was a kid, much like others on the Board here, I did't get paid to do 'our' house, but to go to the neighbors who didn't have kids or go to the elderly, it would get a neccessary chore done and put a little change in your pocket.
It also gives a sense of good community and builds relationships. It really works quite nicely.
The best part of all is like now, during the Holidays, it puts $ in kids' pockets. They shovel enough sidewalks and they can spend $ on gifts or take a girlfriend to a movie or something without having to ask mom or dad for cash.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly.
IDK, I think new Maiden kick ass. It was after hearing the songs from the new album live that I bought the album. To each his own, I guess, and I for one like long tracks ("Paschendale" from the "Dance of Death" is 8 mins long - and a masterpiece at that).
I mean, old songs might appeal to more people than new ones. But it was "A matter of life and death" tour after all. They did it to promote their new album. It worked with me. Sure, when you see Maiden you expect to hear the "Number of the Beast" abd "Run to the Hills" and stuff like that, but they have to play some of the new stuff as well.
Btw., how many songs from the new album did they play at your concert? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, December 12, 2008 6:46:23 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
DAMN you Freeze, you said you'd never tell!!
Now then, if "America" likes music has nothing whatsoever to do with me. Were you to know me, you'd know that I travel quite a bit internationally and simply know what I like. Were you sad when "Mama Afrika" died? I was as were a few here. She was an Icon. Vinicius de Moraes in Brazil. Tom Jobim. Had GREAT influence in the world! USA (not America in the greater sense of the word) has impact on sales but not longevity. New Kids? Sure, pop crap. Did they last? No. Did they have a world tour, I would argue that they did but I am glad to say I have no idea!
Maiden. I have some 20 bootlegs. They BOMBED here in the US on the ("Matter of Life") tour because they didn't play much to the audience! They pushed their new album that most of us thought was mediocre at best. I could even quote articles where they all but apologized for having played all of their new crap to an audience who wanted some old stuff. Thus, the last tour they named many a time to "make up" for the mistake of the previous tour. Certain members even called us "outdated" for not embracing their new material. Well, so be it. Lump me in that group. Look at their last album. I had to blow dust off of it but the shortest song is the first one: 4:17? First song at that?!? You must be kidding if you think that this isn't an overblown mess of an album. Name me one song and I'll try to listen to it again. I've already stated my reasons for my discarding it as nonsense. TEMPO and lack thereof. They keep the third guitar (honorable, I suppose) but there is almost a battle for guitar leads if ANY even exist in the album.
I'll gladly accept any song that you'd recommend apart from Rainmaker that I already said I liked in ANY of the Maiden albums I mean that. Sadly, I could find none in any album since Fear and even that was a big let down to me (and you as well, obviously). ONE song might have been decent. I forget. To compare anything new to old Maiden is nothing short of blasphemy IMO. So, in the oldest sense of the phrase, I still say: UP THE (old) IRONS! Just give me some damn METAL!
(Quoting Message by metalmaz from Friday, December 12, 2008 6:04:16 PM)
metalmaz wrote:
Well it would be dull if we all liked the same wouldn't it.
I agree Fear Of The Dark is pants (although not as much as Nostraboreus).
I do like your post about America not taking to their music. So if something sells in America it's a measure of how good an album is. You must be a big fan of New Kids On The Block
guidogodoy wrote:
OMG! I couldn't be more opposed. Maiden has gotten BETTER?! AAARGH!! I was the biggest diehard fan you could imagine! Look at my profile from twenty years ago and say it isn't true. I was onstage with them FFS! However, since Fear of the Dark they have lost all credit with me (ironically the concert I was onstage with them was THAT one).
Last album from IM was a nightmare. Listened to it ONCE and threw it into a corner. Three guitars? That is something out of Spinal Tap. Talk about "pompous!" Each song is like 10 minutes long and changes tempo so often that it almost seems like a gimmick to them. They then wonder why the USA never "took" to their new album.
Bruce rejoining the band and "Rainmaker" has been their only redeeming song in all the years since Fear, IMO. Priest is so far beyond them it isn't funny.
To each their own but PLEASE, stop with that "NostraBOREus" business. Yeah, we got it the first time. Why not post that droll humor on the Maiden site. Better yet, why don't I go there and post why I don't like their (ahem) music. Oh yeah, they charge to post....
metalmaz wrote:
I've tried so hard to like it, but failed. In my opinion it is overblown, self indulgent, pompous and downright boring. There are 3 songs on it I really like and on an album as long as Nostradamus, that is a big letdown
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bands progressing and Priest aren't like AC/DC who stick to a fairly rigid formula.
Iron Maiden's last 3 abums have been outstanding and are on par and in some cases even better than their "golden era." They haven't stuck with the likes of "Run To The Hills," but they've progressed without losing their rock roots. Saxon are another example of this.
Nostradasmus is a fine example of not letting band members produce their own albums. Egos and lack of objectivity get in the way and it needed an independent producer to rein it in and say things like "This song is not up to scratch and shoudn't be on the album"
And an indendent producer would also have mixed the album so Ian Hill could have been heard. Of course that would upset KK and Glen because they think only they should be heard. They have obviously used a drum machine instead of Scott - but of course that is because people would say "Wow Scott is an awesome drummer" and Glen and KK wouldn't like that, because after all they are the only musicians in JP.
NostraBOREus doesn't suck as much as Rocka Rolla or Ram it Down, but it's a close thing .
Masterpiece my arse. I'm amazed it hasn't got "Inspired by Andrew Llyod Webber" on the sleeve notes.
How can such a great band have the audacity to release something like this.
Cobras-Aura wrote:
I'm sure that many people may agree that this album is a masterpiece, and one of the most amazing things that Judas Priest have put out creativity-wise. It is diverse, whether you want rockers or bruisers, slow or fast, ballads, doomers, or perhaps something new and surprising....you'll find it all on this album. The composition, lyrics and music are all well pieced here, into one seamless story of this man's life. This album takes Judas Priest to new heights, pushing for and breaking new ground. Sure it drifts off traditional heavy metal on some tracks, but so what hey? Visions for a prime example ain't your typical Priest song and yet it's my favourite song on that album. If there is anything to be disappointed about, it is for too few of these songs being showcased in the band's setlist on this tour so far. And I like surely a lot of other people, cannot wait when the Nostradamus tour rolls out and they play this masterpiece in its entirety. May Nostradamus go down as one of the amazing wonders and masterpieces in history of all heavy metal, it truly deserves such praise.
People in 3rd world countries work for wages like we do. Only they get a lot less, work more and have less rights than we. I dont see any reason not to complain about my employment, if that is warranted (tho currently it isnt, if truth be told). Saying "look how bad they have it" and pointing at China or India, is basicly just a sophisticated way of saying "STFU and work more!"
And if anything, work is a necesity, not an honor or a privilege. I work not because it makes me feel good (because it doesnt) but because I need money, and thats the entire philosophy. As for privilege... Sitting on the managment board in a big company, being a parasite, working an hour or two every day and getting a wage 10 times higher than that of an average employee... That is privilege. Working a normal job is not a privilege. It is just something we need to do to get by.
There is nothing wrong with a solid work ethic. In fact, I'm one for believing that your work does define you. High standards and attention to detail, raising the bar for those around you, and inspiring your fellow employee. Working 9-5 makes you average. Working 845-515 makes you good. But working 8-6 makes you great. Whatever you do, you are not your job title or description. Do more than the other guy. Step in and fill in those gaps. Professionals are well-rounded in their chosen fields. And great managers know the company business from the ground up.....and are willing to step into any situation to assist should the need arise. Leaders do what the other guy won't. That defines your reputation. That defines your standard. And that defines the man. Work is an honorable trade. Most people in third world nations will never have the priviledge of working for wages. Never complain about your employment. It's a priviledge to work, not to be taken lightly in a free society. Happy Christmas to all!
a. Hammerstein
Well, IDK, as I said I did all those things when I was a kid, and still do, and never got paid for it. I guess its different if you have somebody elses kids doing it, tho. I never cleared snow from my neighbours driveway...
In any case, 45 minutes over midnight here, so its about time I get to sleep. See you tomorow, I hope.
Well, it gets the job done and it gives the kids a sense of accomplishment. They learn to work and earn money and be responsible. Does not sound all that "weird" to me!
_strat_ wrote:
Weird.
Deep Freeze wrote:
In the States, it is traditional to pay neighborhood kids to shovel snow, mow lawns and such.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly.
In the States, it is traditional to pay neighborhood kids to shovel snow, mow lawns and such.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly.
Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:22:14 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly.
Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:16:06 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly.
You pay kids to clear the snow?!?! I cleared snow every winter since I can remember, and never got a cent for it... Your kids, or just from the neighbourhood? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:11:57 PM)
ronhartsell wrote:
Strat, in my neighborhood, especially with Christmas right around the corner, kids with shovels are aplenty. I have these twins that come by and ask for $6, I give 'em $10 and they shovel all the way to the garage and into the alley. It works out really well.
_strat_ wrote:
I will grant you, it has its blessings. Specialy when someone else must go outside and shovel the damn thing, and I can just watch it from the window and gloat.
Hya, folks! Hows it goin?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It's sprinkling here. I want some snow, dangit!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
The weather outside is frightful, but inside its so delightful. And since I've nowhere to go, let it snow let it snow let it snow....Yep. Snowing again here in Vegas.
Hi! I hear that weather isnt nice to you guys over there. Times like these, youd wish that global warming would hurry up a bit, eh? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:08:00 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hi strat!
_strat_ wrote:
I will grant you, it has its blessings. Specialy when someone else must go outside and shovel the damn thing, and I can just watch it from the window and gloat.
Hya, folks! Hows it goin?
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
It's sprinkling here. I want some snow, dangit!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
The weather outside is frightful, but inside its so delightful. And since I've nowhere to go, let it snow let it snow let it snow....Yep. Snowing again here in Vegas.
I will grant you, it has its blessings. Specialy when someone else must go outside and shovel the damn thing, and I can just watch it from the window and gloat.
The weather outside is frightful, but inside its so delightful. And since I've nowhere to go, let it snow let it snow let it snow....Yep. Snowing again here in Vegas.
Yeah, lol, at least we can aim from some distance. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Palmer Griffiths from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 6:48:52 PM)
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
Yeah I guess your right.I'd say probaly more for us Gents than the Ladies though *LOL*
Head banger wrote:
isnt peeing in the woods always the prefered choice anyway?
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else find them Gross? Well the ones at the Priest Concert in Calgary weren't bad but man the ones at Camp Grounds I've been to are so bad I just decided I'd rather Pee in the woods! They were GROSS ! So Any Opinions on this ???
Havent noticed this before, but youve been to Russia? Just to make myself clear, I want to know everything! Where in Russia did you go, what are the prices, the immpressions etc. Seriously, thats a country that I would love to visit someday. And no need to go into detail about their toilets... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 9:15:55 AM)
devils_child wrote:
"boys and girls and DC"... are you implying im genderless?.... Thanks
In Australia we have several names for the "outhouse".. I shall list a few for your enjoyment...
Thunderbox, crap shack, sh*t shack, the lavie, the netty, jacks, biffy, Sh*t house, earth closet, privy or just plain old 'dunny'.
Worst outhouse i have ever witnessed was one in Russia... Do Not... I Repeat DO NOT Even look inside one if you ever travel to Russia... they are filthy... I shudder at the thought.
_strat_ wrote:
Why not? There are some FUN facts about bear poo that I bet you hadnt know (Freeze, sit down and take notes)!
Did you know that at winter the bear hybernates? Yes? Good boy. Do you know what that means? Yes, he sleeps for months at a time. Now, you ask me, how does he shit? Does he do it before he goes to sleep? What if he forgets? The thing is, boys and girls and DC, nature provides. NATURE PROVIDES! What? Well, in this case, ass-plugs!!! The fur around the bears anus sticks together and plugs his bunghole, so that the bear cannot shit during hybernation! YAAAY!!! Nature saves the day again! Not those powerpuff girls...
Well, the above is a testament of what being bored at work does to a person. The above is also true. Kind of. Sort of. I dont really know. I saw it on a wildlife documentary. Heard actualy, yes I heard it. Not saw it. I wouldnt want to see a bears ass plug.
Head banger wrote:
no, thats poo in the woods. which well, lets not discuss.
_strat_ wrote:
For bears.
Head banger wrote:
isnt peeing in the woods always the prefered choice anyway?
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else find them Gross? Well the ones at the Priest Concert in Calgary weren't bad but man the ones at Camp Grounds I've been to are so bad I just decided I'd rather Pee in the woods! They were GROSS ! So Any Opinions on this ???
You get snow in Nevada?!?! Meanwhile we get only rain, when we should be shoveling snow like crazy? The logic of the universe has gone avry... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:45:19 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! More snow tonight, I'm afraid! Better check with Cuba! Well, I am off! Good Day!
Ok, then! I thought that you might be a bit upset, but if you say you arent, then its ok with me...
As for the "drift" I cant say I get it.
But moving on, are you ready for the quiz on the material that we discussed in this thread? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:17:01 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my dear friend, I am not in a bad mood at all! I would just prefer to chat in a different Thread...if you get my 'drift'.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, I can see that youre not in the best of moods... I wont go any further...
Deep Freeze wrote:
exactly
_strat_ wrote:
Now that says volumes.
Deep Freeze wrote:
no
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze!!!! Im shocked!!! What happened to your thirst for knowledge?
Ok, I can see that youre not in the best of moods... I wont go any further... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 10:13:49 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
exactly
_strat_ wrote:
Now that says volumes.
Deep Freeze wrote:
no
_strat_ wrote:
Freeze!!!! Im shocked!!! What happened to your thirst for knowledge?
"boys and girls and DC"... are you implying im genderless?.... Thanks
In Australia we have several names for the "outhouse".. I shall list a few for your enjoyment...
Thunderbox, crap shack, sh*t shack, the lavie, the netty, jacks, biffy, Sh*t house, earth closet, privy or just plain old 'dunny'.
Worst outhouse i have ever witnessed was one in Russia... Do Not... I Repeat DO NOT Even look inside one if you ever travel to Russia... they are filthy... I shudder at the thought.
_strat_ wrote:
Why not? There are some FUN facts about bear poo that I bet you hadnt know (Freeze, sit down and take notes)!
Did you know that at winter the bear hybernates? Yes? Good boy. Do you know what that means? Yes, he sleeps for months at a time. Now, you ask me, how does he shit? Does he do it before he goes to sleep? What if he forgets? The thing is, boys and girls and DC, nature provides. NATURE PROVIDES! What? Well, in this case, ass-plugs!!! The fur around the bears anus sticks together and plugs his bunghole, so that the bear cannot shit during hybernation! YAAAY!!! Nature saves the day again! Not those powerpuff girls...
Well, the above is a testament of what being bored at work does to a person. The above is also true. Kind of. Sort of. I dont really know. I saw it on a wildlife documentary. Heard actualy, yes I heard it. Not saw it. I wouldnt want to see a bears ass plug.
Head banger wrote:
no, thats poo in the woods. which well, lets not discuss.
_strat_ wrote:
For bears.
Head banger wrote:
isnt peeing in the woods always the prefered choice anyway?
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else find them Gross? Well the ones at the Priest Concert in Calgary weren't bad but man the ones at Camp Grounds I've been to are so bad I just decided I'd rather Pee in the woods! They were GROSS ! So Any Opinions on this ???
Freeze!!!! Im shocked!!! What happened to your thirst for knowledge? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 8:20:06 AM)
That answers the age old question of wheter or not a bear shits in the woods. But it also raises a new question: How does he flush, if there is no plumbing? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MG_Metalgoddess from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:35:06 AM)
Not during the winter he doesnt! He seals that crack up, and nothing gets through! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:29:56 AM)
Head banger wrote:
good lord. a bear shits where he wants to
_strat_ wrote:
Why not? There are some FUN facts about bear poo that I bet you hadnt know (Freeze, sit down and take notes)!
Did you know that at winter the bear hybernates? Yes? Good boy. Do you know what that means? Yes, he sleeps for months at a time. Now, you ask me, how does he shit? Does he do it before he goes to sleep? What if he forgets? The thing is, boys and girls and DC, nature provides. NATURE PROVIDES! What? Well, in this case, ass-plugs!!! The fur around the bears anus sticks together and plugs his bunghole, so that the bear cannot shit during hybernation! YAAAY!!! Nature saves the day again! Not those powerpuff girls...
Well, the above is a testament of what being bored at work does to a person. The above is also true. Kind of. Sort of. I dont really know. I saw it on a wildlife documentary. Heard actualy, yes I heard it. Not saw it. I wouldnt want to see a bears ass plug.
Head banger wrote:
no, thats poo in the woods. which well, lets not discuss.
_strat_ wrote:
For bears.
Head banger wrote:
isnt peeing in the woods always the prefered choice anyway?
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else find them Gross? Well the ones at the Priest Concert in Calgary weren't bad but man the ones at Camp Grounds I've been to are so bad I just decided I'd rather Pee in the woods! They were GROSS ! So Any Opinions on this ???
Why not? There are some FUN facts about bear poo that I bet you hadnt know (Freeze, sit down and take notes)!
Did you know that at winter the bear hybernates? Yes? Good boy. Do you know what that means? Yes, he sleeps for months at a time. Now, you ask me, how does he shit? Does he do it before he goes to sleep? What if he forgets? The thing is, boys and girls and DC, nature provides. NATURE PROVIDES! What? Well, in this case, ass-plugs!!! The fur around the bears anus sticks together and plugs his bunghole, so that the bear cannot shit during hybernation! YAAAY!!! Nature saves the day again! Not those powerpuff girls...
Well, the above is a testament of what being bored at work does to a person. The above is also true. Kind of. Sort of. I dont really know. I saw it on a wildlife documentary. Heard actualy, yes I heard it. Not saw it. I wouldnt want to see a bears ass plug. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 16, 2008 7:15:14 AM)
Head banger wrote:
no, thats poo in the woods. which well, lets not discuss.
_strat_ wrote:
For bears.
Head banger wrote:
isnt peeing in the woods always the prefered choice anyway?
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else find them Gross? Well the ones at the Priest Concert in Calgary weren't bad but man the ones at Camp Grounds I've been to are so bad I just decided I'd rather Pee in the woods! They were GROSS ! So Any Opinions on this ???
isnt peeing in the woods always the prefered choice anyway?
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
Is it just me or does anyone else find them Gross? Well the ones at the Priest Concert in Calgary weren't bad but man the ones at Camp Grounds I've been to are so bad I just decided I'd rather Pee in the woods! They were GROSS ! So Any Opinions on this ???
Yeah, theyre pretty nasty. Not to mention always taken, even when you have to go so badly that youre willing to put up with the stench. At least thats how it was on the Maiden show over here. Probably because of the "fallen heroes" that passed out from booze even before the opening act came on, and then spent the rest of the show vomiting in the portables. Seriously, I cant understand the kind of people that pay 50 € to see a show, then sleep and vomit through it.
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nice, Scorp! Shall I continue??...:
So Freeze pranced away, shedding his attire!
Running naked through the snow
Good Lord, where's a fire??
The gand on the Board closed their eyes and declared
For cryin out loud, Freeze!! Get dressed! We're all scared!!!
Freeze bound about, in his most pristine state
They could not stop looking, it was too late
And they heard him exclaim as he ran out of sight,
"Stop daring me to do things, or someday I might!!!"
HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scorpion01 wrote:
Deep Freeze was caught
And brought before us judges
Who had just returned
From some three drink lunches
Ron and MM screamed "you must set him free"
And off DF went
On a technicality
Since the Board don't seem to care
Then don't you think it's only fair?
EH! I needed a break from narrative procedure reviews, and my sence of humor needs a little more warming up in the bull pen.
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
Freeze is CORRECT....According to the book........
"once a "dare" is started and failed due to technicality on the part of the person making the dare then no other like dare shall be initiated".......
Deep Freeze wrote:
No. Too late.
_strat_ wrote:
In that case, I triple DOG dare Freeze to create a new thread. Its official.
ronhartsell wrote:
You are correct MM...JT omitted 'Dog' from his 'Dare' which eliminates DF from any and all obligation to 'Start a thread'. If one was to include the word 'Dog' in a 'Dare', then one would be obligated to do so. In other words...DF got off on a technicality!!!
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
At least he didnt triple DOG dare you. You would be obligated to do it so you wouldnt be in direct violation or the Little Boys Guide that we all had to sign when we reached the age of 10.
The LBG plainly states in chapter 1, section 2, sub-paragraph 4 that.....
"any dare in which the word "DOG" is placed must be, without fail executed" You got lucky.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh MAN!! I will get you for this!! HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JudasToast wrote:
Just think Deep Freeze, if you do it, no one can call you a crotchety old man anymore!
Don't worry about what Murray will think!!! Just do it man!!!
So, come down off that milk crate, from behind that curtain, and take off that wizards outfit and create a thread!!!
Come on man! Do it!!! You'll feel better!!
In that case, I triple DOG dare Freeze to create a new thread. Its official. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, December 15, 2008 7:08:30 AM)
ronhartsell wrote:
You are correct MM...JT omitted 'Dog' from his 'Dare' which eliminates DF from any and all obligation to 'Start a thread'. If one was to include the word 'Dog' in a 'Dare', then one would be obligated to do so. In other words...DF got off on a technicality!!!
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
At least he didnt triple DOG dare you. You would be obligated to do it so you wouldnt be in direct violation or the Little Boys Guide that we all had to sign when we reached the age of 10.
The LBG plainly states in chapter 1, section 2, sub-paragraph 4 that.....
"any dare in which the word "DOG" is placed must be, without fail executed" You got lucky.....
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh MAN!! I will get you for this!! HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JudasToast wrote:
Just think Deep Freeze, if you do it, no one can call you a crotchety old man anymore!
Don't worry about what Murray will think!!! Just do it man!!!
So, come down off that milk crate, from behind that curtain, and take off that wizards outfit and create a thread!!!
Come on man! Do it!!! You'll feel better!!
No, no, no... Its big handsome guys with long sticks, running around on some ice, huging each other for some warmth... Kinda like the shit you yanks call football, but is not football. Only hockeys on ice. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:36:25 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Hockey?? Isn't that like darts or something except colder?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They become a lot less cool when there is a leak in the roof... But that aside, yes its cool.
As for the list, feel free to add the following:
3. Hockey bashing
4. Red font bashing
5. Mayple syrup bashing
Oh, and I was refering to the singing abilities, not inteligence, of Avril and other similar female singers, that look good, but cant sing. As opposed to DF and MM, who are both good looking and can sing! That was just a bit of an ego-boost, btw. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Sunday, December 14, 2008 3:34:04 PM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!....AN ATTIC DWELLER! ....ACTUALLY ATTICS CAN BE PRETTY COOL IF DONE RIGHT......SO NOW WE'VE ADDED TO YOUR LIST...1-BASHING CANADIANS AND 2-BASHING GOOD LOOKING WOMEN....YES,AVRIL IS VERY CUTE....AND PERSONALLY I HAPPEN TO THINK MOST GOOD LOOKING WOMEN ONLY GET MORE ATTRACTIVE WHEN THEY OPEN THEIR MOUTH
OHHHHHHHH NO,NO,PEOPLE!...NOT LIKE THAT!...GET YOUR MIND OUT OF THE GUTTER!.
_strat_ wrote:
Just for your information, I live in the attic!
Avril is cute, but as is with most good looking women, she is only cute until she opens her mouth.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
YA' BUT AVRIL IS SOOOOOOO CUTE THOUGH....AS FOR THE REST OF YOUR STATEMENT........
Hmmmmmmmmm.....AWWWW DID SOMEBODY TAKE A PEE IN YOUR CORN FLAKES THIS MORNING?.
...YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GET A MOVE ON!......
_strat_ wrote:
You also invented Avril Lavigne.
Freeze, when you guys have had enough of Iraq, there is a place to the north of you that desperatly needs bombing.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm.....YOUR STATEMENT SOMEWHAT FRIGHTENS ME..."TOITY"..."AFFAIR".......
I'M NEVER STOPPING AT YOUR PLACE AFTER DARK!.......
AS FOR MANNERS...WE CANADIANS INVENTED GOOD MANNERS!...
Deep Freeze wrote:
My good man, what I do whilst on the "toity" is strictly my own affair! I shall thank you to remember your manners!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
BALDERDASH I SAY!...DF JUST SITS ON THE TOITY READING GOBBLEDEGOOK ON HIS ROLLS OF NO NAME TOILET PAPER!....
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you go. There is a logical explanation for everything.
The thing that I find the most interesting here is not science, tho. Its basicaly what I have already mentioned. Its our imagination. I think its really a wonder how our imagination can trick us into sensing something that is not there, or misinterpreting that which is. But... thats how gods were born.
Tho there is something to be said about scientific explanations... They take away the magic and romance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's right, strat! There are explanations of a more "common" nature. Research shows that almost all "classic" ghost signs can be explained as the result of low-frequency sound waves that are trapped inside buildings. These waves can be triggered by nothing more than a slight wind passing over walls and, of course, cannot be heard by human ears. Tests show that they have an effect on the human body in that they cause uncomfortable "feelings" and vision problems.
A guy at a university in London found out first hand about this when he was alone one night in a lab. He had been told the building was "hannted" but claimed he did not believe it. He reported that night that he was increasingly "uncomfortable" , cold and feeling depressed and that he felt he was being "watched". He claimed he saw a shadowy figure in his peripheral vision. He said it moved and disappeared and, of course, he was terrified and left. Turns out, this guy was a fencing enthusiast and, when he returned the next day, he found he had left a sword blade clamped in a vice and had forgotten it. It was vibrating frantically, causing a low-frequency wave that filled the lab. Tests showed the wave increased in intensity near his desk. Apaprently, a newly installed fan was causing the sword to vibrate.
It turns out that these low-frequency sounds affect the temporal lobe of the human brain, causing one to get the feelings of depression or that someone is watching them or many other feelings people report and assign to "ghosts". You see, there are explanations for things, IF one is willing to actually look for the scientific facts. All too often, we choose to believe the impossible.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:44:20 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
Ok, easy now, you know how it goes. F, u, c, k. Come on, lets get to the second letter today! Say it! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:42:03 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! You....you.....BASTARD!!!!!!!!!! There, you see? Look what you have gone and made me say!!! I am completely unrecognizeable!!!! AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!! Excuse me while I go wash out my mouth...... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
guidogodoy wrote:
Were I in close proximity to you, I'd advocate for taking up a collection in order to give you a free gift for having taken the time to share your wise wisdom.
The enormity of that free gift would be enormous.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, Boys and Girls! At last we have arrived at another episode of Insomniac Theater. A cool 4:30 in the morning here in blustery Vegas as we begin this installment. Having had more than an hour to ponder our subject matter, I thought we would lean in the direction of good writing! Ah! Good to see so many of you are excited! Let's begin:
We are often faced with the dilemma of what word to use when we are trying to impart a specific image to our reader. This Board is filled with those that choose words which, in this humble educator's opinion, are a bit shall we say...over the top? Unfortunately, I am one of those that has used improper or "over the top" words in an effort to make a point. There is also the profane word or ten that seem to be the everlasting crutch for some. If we are here on this Board, it is important to remember we are writing. We are using printedwords. All too often, we forget that words have auras. They have penumbrae or emanations that the good writer should respect. The word "enormity" is a great example.
Enormity is one of those words that carries excess baggage. We are dealing with something that is outrageous, horrifying and grossly evil. You see, words come in weights much like boxers do. They are like sweaters; small, medium, large, extra large and gigantic. The good writer knows that a word like enormity should be left in the file cabinet until we come across a genocide or something.
Next case; redundancy. Ah yes, that habit we all seem to share around here! Again, I am guilty of it and would first like to confess. One particularly offensive example is "advocate for". We say, " Many of us advocate for the rights of our members.." AARRRRGGGHH!! We may campaign for, argue for, beg for and plead for but advocacy takes a direct object! It needs no supplementary preposition.
Well, this concludes our episode for now. I do hope you have all enjoyed it and will be prepared for our quiz later.
Hmm... It does have a bed, a desk among other things, but somehow I dont think youre refering to that? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 12:48:18 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Is that furnished?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Just for your information, I live in the attic!
Avril is cute, but as is with most good looking women, she is only cute until she opens her mouth.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
YA' BUT AVRIL IS SOOOOOOO CUTE THOUGH....AS FOR THE REST OF YOUR STATEMENT........
Hmmmmmmmmm.....AWWWW DID SOMEBODY TAKE A PEE IN YOUR CORN FLAKES THIS MORNING?.
...YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GET A MOVE ON!......
_strat_ wrote:
You also invented Avril Lavigne.
Freeze, when you guys have had enough of Iraq, there is a place to the north of you that desperatly needs bombing.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm.....YOUR STATEMENT SOMEWHAT FRIGHTENS ME..."TOITY"..."AFFAIR".......
I'M NEVER STOPPING AT YOUR PLACE AFTER DARK!.......
AS FOR MANNERS...WE CANADIANS INVENTED GOOD MANNERS!...
Deep Freeze wrote:
My good man, what I do whilst on the "toity" is strictly my own affair! I shall thank you to remember your manners!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
BALDERDASH I SAY!...DF JUST SITS ON THE TOITY READING GOBBLEDEGOOK ON HIS ROLLS OF NO NAME TOILET PAPER!....
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you go. There is a logical explanation for everything.
The thing that I find the most interesting here is not science, tho. Its basicaly what I have already mentioned. Its our imagination. I think its really a wonder how our imagination can trick us into sensing something that is not there, or misinterpreting that which is. But... thats how gods were born.
Tho there is something to be said about scientific explanations... They take away the magic and romance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's right, strat! There are explanations of a more "common" nature. Research shows that almost all "classic" ghost signs can be explained as the result of low-frequency sound waves that are trapped inside buildings. These waves can be triggered by nothing more than a slight wind passing over walls and, of course, cannot be heard by human ears. Tests show that they have an effect on the human body in that they cause uncomfortable "feelings" and vision problems.
A guy at a university in London found out first hand about this when he was alone one night in a lab. He had been told the building was "hannted" but claimed he did not believe it. He reported that night that he was increasingly "uncomfortable" , cold and feeling depressed and that he felt he was being "watched". He claimed he saw a shadowy figure in his peripheral vision. He said it moved and disappeared and, of course, he was terrified and left. Turns out, this guy was a fencing enthusiast and, when he returned the next day, he found he had left a sword blade clamped in a vice and had forgotten it. It was vibrating frantically, causing a low-frequency wave that filled the lab. Tests showed the wave increased in intensity near his desk. Apaprently, a newly installed fan was causing the sword to vibrate.
It turns out that these low-frequency sounds affect the temporal lobe of the human brain, causing one to get the feelings of depression or that someone is watching them or many other feelings people report and assign to "ghosts". You see, there are explanations for things, IF one is willing to actually look for the scientific facts. All too often, we choose to believe the impossible.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:44:20 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
Avril is cute, but as is with most good looking women, she is only cute until she opens her mouth. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Sunday, December 14, 2008 9:56:39 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
YA' BUT AVRIL IS SOOOOOOO CUTE THOUGH....AS FOR THE REST OF YOUR STATEMENT........
Hmmmmmmmmm.....AWWWW DID SOMEBODY TAKE A PEE IN YOUR CORN FLAKES THIS MORNING?.
...YOU NEED TO MOVE OUT OF YOUR MOTHERS BASEMENT AND GET A MOVE ON!......
_strat_ wrote:
You also invented Avril Lavigne.
Freeze, when you guys have had enough of Iraq, there is a place to the north of you that desperatly needs bombing.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm.....YOUR STATEMENT SOMEWHAT FRIGHTENS ME..."TOITY"..."AFFAIR".......
I'M NEVER STOPPING AT YOUR PLACE AFTER DARK!.......
AS FOR MANNERS...WE CANADIANS INVENTED GOOD MANNERS!...
Deep Freeze wrote:
My good man, what I do whilst on the "toity" is strictly my own affair! I shall thank you to remember your manners!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
BALDERDASH I SAY!...DF JUST SITS ON THE TOITY READING GOBBLEDEGOOK ON HIS ROLLS OF NO NAME TOILET PAPER!....
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you go. There is a logical explanation for everything.
The thing that I find the most interesting here is not science, tho. Its basicaly what I have already mentioned. Its our imagination. I think its really a wonder how our imagination can trick us into sensing something that is not there, or misinterpreting that which is. But... thats how gods were born.
Tho there is something to be said about scientific explanations... They take away the magic and romance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's right, strat! There are explanations of a more "common" nature. Research shows that almost all "classic" ghost signs can be explained as the result of low-frequency sound waves that are trapped inside buildings. These waves can be triggered by nothing more than a slight wind passing over walls and, of course, cannot be heard by human ears. Tests show that they have an effect on the human body in that they cause uncomfortable "feelings" and vision problems.
A guy at a university in London found out first hand about this when he was alone one night in a lab. He had been told the building was "hannted" but claimed he did not believe it. He reported that night that he was increasingly "uncomfortable" , cold and feeling depressed and that he felt he was being "watched". He claimed he saw a shadowy figure in his peripheral vision. He said it moved and disappeared and, of course, he was terrified and left. Turns out, this guy was a fencing enthusiast and, when he returned the next day, he found he had left a sword blade clamped in a vice and had forgotten it. It was vibrating frantically, causing a low-frequency wave that filled the lab. Tests showed the wave increased in intensity near his desk. Apaprently, a newly installed fan was causing the sword to vibrate.
It turns out that these low-frequency sounds affect the temporal lobe of the human brain, causing one to get the feelings of depression or that someone is watching them or many other feelings people report and assign to "ghosts". You see, there are explanations for things, IF one is willing to actually look for the scientific facts. All too often, we choose to believe the impossible.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:44:20 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
"porion"? Either you made a typo or you invented a new word.
And since I never heard of the little redneck bitch, but have heard plenty from the Canadian talentless singers, I think youre wrong. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:27:40 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Loverboy?!?!? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nooooooooooooo!!!!
Strat, yes she is but I believe she has infected a far greater porion of the world population! She must be stopped.
Thank you for making me look her up. Shes an US Redneck, tho. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:20:48 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
AND Miley Cyrus?? HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... IDK then! Draft the rednecks (except Guido), pull out your shotguns, hell, throw hamburgers at them! Make them stop with Avril Lavigne and Celine Dion!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry man, I ran out of "bombs" back in 'Nam, 1972. It was rough..very painful.
_strat_ wrote:
You also invented Avril Lavigne.
Freeze, when you guys have had enough of Iraq, there is a place to the north of you that desperatly needs bombing.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm.....YOUR STATEMENT SOMEWHAT FRIGHTENS ME..."TOITY"..."AFFAIR".......
I'M NEVER STOPPING AT YOUR PLACE AFTER DARK!.......
AS FOR MANNERS...WE CANADIANS INVENTED GOOD MANNERS!...
Deep Freeze wrote:
My good man, what I do whilst on the "toity" is strictly my own affair! I shall thank you to remember your manners!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
BALDERDASH I SAY!...DF JUST SITS ON THE TOITY READING GOBBLEDEGOOK ON HIS ROLLS OF NO NAME TOILET PAPER!....
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you go. There is a logical explanation for everything.
The thing that I find the most interesting here is not science, tho. Its basicaly what I have already mentioned. Its our imagination. I think its really a wonder how our imagination can trick us into sensing something that is not there, or misinterpreting that which is. But... thats how gods were born.
Tho there is something to be said about scientific explanations... They take away the magic and romance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's right, strat! There are explanations of a more "common" nature. Research shows that almost all "classic" ghost signs can be explained as the result of low-frequency sound waves that are trapped inside buildings. These waves can be triggered by nothing more than a slight wind passing over walls and, of course, cannot be heard by human ears. Tests show that they have an effect on the human body in that they cause uncomfortable "feelings" and vision problems.
A guy at a university in London found out first hand about this when he was alone one night in a lab. He had been told the building was "hannted" but claimed he did not believe it. He reported that night that he was increasingly "uncomfortable" , cold and feeling depressed and that he felt he was being "watched". He claimed he saw a shadowy figure in his peripheral vision. He said it moved and disappeared and, of course, he was terrified and left. Turns out, this guy was a fencing enthusiast and, when he returned the next day, he found he had left a sword blade clamped in a vice and had forgotten it. It was vibrating frantically, causing a low-frequency wave that filled the lab. Tests showed the wave increased in intensity near his desk. Apaprently, a newly installed fan was causing the sword to vibrate.
It turns out that these low-frequency sounds affect the temporal lobe of the human brain, causing one to get the feelings of depression or that someone is watching them or many other feelings people report and assign to "ghosts". You see, there are explanations for things, IF one is willing to actually look for the scientific facts. All too often, we choose to believe the impossible.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:44:20 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
Well... IDK then! Draft the rednecks (except Guido), pull out your shotguns, hell, throw hamburgers at them! Make them stop with Avril Lavigne and Celine Dion! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 14, 2008 6:27:22 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry man, I ran out of "bombs" back in 'Nam, 1972. It was rough..very painful.
_strat_ wrote:
You also invented Avril Lavigne.
Freeze, when you guys have had enough of Iraq, there is a place to the north of you that desperatly needs bombing.
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm.....YOUR STATEMENT SOMEWHAT FRIGHTENS ME..."TOITY"..."AFFAIR".......
I'M NEVER STOPPING AT YOUR PLACE AFTER DARK!.......
AS FOR MANNERS...WE CANADIANS INVENTED GOOD MANNERS!...
Deep Freeze wrote:
My good man, what I do whilst on the "toity" is strictly my own affair! I shall thank you to remember your manners!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
BALDERDASH I SAY!...DF JUST SITS ON THE TOITY READING GOBBLEDEGOOK ON HIS ROLLS OF NO NAME TOILET PAPER!....
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you go. There is a logical explanation for everything.
The thing that I find the most interesting here is not science, tho. Its basicaly what I have already mentioned. Its our imagination. I think its really a wonder how our imagination can trick us into sensing something that is not there, or misinterpreting that which is. But... thats how gods were born.
Tho there is something to be said about scientific explanations... They take away the magic and romance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's right, strat! There are explanations of a more "common" nature. Research shows that almost all "classic" ghost signs can be explained as the result of low-frequency sound waves that are trapped inside buildings. These waves can be triggered by nothing more than a slight wind passing over walls and, of course, cannot be heard by human ears. Tests show that they have an effect on the human body in that they cause uncomfortable "feelings" and vision problems.
A guy at a university in London found out first hand about this when he was alone one night in a lab. He had been told the building was "hannted" but claimed he did not believe it. He reported that night that he was increasingly "uncomfortable" , cold and feeling depressed and that he felt he was being "watched". He claimed he saw a shadowy figure in his peripheral vision. He said it moved and disappeared and, of course, he was terrified and left. Turns out, this guy was a fencing enthusiast and, when he returned the next day, he found he had left a sword blade clamped in a vice and had forgotten it. It was vibrating frantically, causing a low-frequency wave that filled the lab. Tests showed the wave increased in intensity near his desk. Apaprently, a newly installed fan was causing the sword to vibrate.
It turns out that these low-frequency sounds affect the temporal lobe of the human brain, causing one to get the feelings of depression or that someone is watching them or many other feelings people report and assign to "ghosts". You see, there are explanations for things, IF one is willing to actually look for the scientific facts. All too often, we choose to believe the impossible.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:44:20 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
Freeze, when you guys have had enough of Iraq, there is a place to the north of you that desperatly needs bombing. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 6:06:55 PM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
Hmmmmmmmmm.....YOUR STATEMENT SOMEWHAT FRIGHTENS ME..."TOITY"..."AFFAIR".......
I'M NEVER STOPPING AT YOUR PLACE AFTER DARK!.......
AS FOR MANNERS...WE CANADIANS INVENTED GOOD MANNERS!...
Deep Freeze wrote:
My good man, what I do whilst on the "toity" is strictly my own affair! I shall thank you to remember your manners!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
BALDERDASH I SAY!...DF JUST SITS ON THE TOITY READING GOBBLEDEGOOK ON HIS ROLLS OF NO NAME TOILET PAPER!....
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you go. There is a logical explanation for everything.
The thing that I find the most interesting here is not science, tho. Its basicaly what I have already mentioned. Its our imagination. I think its really a wonder how our imagination can trick us into sensing something that is not there, or misinterpreting that which is. But... thats how gods were born.
Tho there is something to be said about scientific explanations... They take away the magic and romance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's right, strat! There are explanations of a more "common" nature. Research shows that almost all "classic" ghost signs can be explained as the result of low-frequency sound waves that are trapped inside buildings. These waves can be triggered by nothing more than a slight wind passing over walls and, of course, cannot be heard by human ears. Tests show that they have an effect on the human body in that they cause uncomfortable "feelings" and vision problems.
A guy at a university in London found out first hand about this when he was alone one night in a lab. He had been told the building was "hannted" but claimed he did not believe it. He reported that night that he was increasingly "uncomfortable" , cold and feeling depressed and that he felt he was being "watched". He claimed he saw a shadowy figure in his peripheral vision. He said it moved and disappeared and, of course, he was terrified and left. Turns out, this guy was a fencing enthusiast and, when he returned the next day, he found he had left a sword blade clamped in a vice and had forgotten it. It was vibrating frantically, causing a low-frequency wave that filled the lab. Tests showed the wave increased in intensity near his desk. Apaprently, a newly installed fan was causing the sword to vibrate.
It turns out that these low-frequency sounds affect the temporal lobe of the human brain, causing one to get the feelings of depression or that someone is watching them or many other feelings people report and assign to "ghosts". You see, there are explanations for things, IF one is willing to actually look for the scientific facts. All too often, we choose to believe the impossible.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:44:20 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
So thats Canadian? Didnt get a word of it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:04:30 PM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
BALDERDASH I SAY!...DF JUST SITS ON THE TOITY READING GOBBLEDEGOOK ON HIS ROLLS OF NO NAME TOILET PAPER!....
_strat_ wrote:
Well, there you go. There is a logical explanation for everything.
The thing that I find the most interesting here is not science, tho. Its basicaly what I have already mentioned. Its our imagination. I think its really a wonder how our imagination can trick us into sensing something that is not there, or misinterpreting that which is. But... thats how gods were born.
Tho there is something to be said about scientific explanations... They take away the magic and romance.
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's right, strat! There are explanations of a more "common" nature. Research shows that almost all "classic" ghost signs can be explained as the result of low-frequency sound waves that are trapped inside buildings. These waves can be triggered by nothing more than a slight wind passing over walls and, of course, cannot be heard by human ears. Tests show that they have an effect on the human body in that they cause uncomfortable "feelings" and vision problems.
A guy at a university in London found out first hand about this when he was alone one night in a lab. He had been told the building was "hannted" but claimed he did not believe it. He reported that night that he was increasingly "uncomfortable" , cold and feeling depressed and that he felt he was being "watched". He claimed he saw a shadowy figure in his peripheral vision. He said it moved and disappeared and, of course, he was terrified and left. Turns out, this guy was a fencing enthusiast and, when he returned the next day, he found he had left a sword blade clamped in a vice and had forgotten it. It was vibrating frantically, causing a low-frequency wave that filled the lab. Tests showed the wave increased in intensity near his desk. Apaprently, a newly installed fan was causing the sword to vibrate.
It turns out that these low-frequency sounds affect the temporal lobe of the human brain, causing one to get the feelings of depression or that someone is watching them or many other feelings people report and assign to "ghosts". You see, there are explanations for things, IF one is willing to actually look for the scientific facts. All too often, we choose to believe the impossible.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:44:20 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
Great! But dont stand too close to the stairs... You just might fall! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:54:07 PM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
ABIGAIL MUST BE NAILED TO HER COFFIN
WITH 7 SILVER SPIKES
1 THROUGH EACH ARM,HAND AND KNEE
AND LET THE LAST OF THE 7 BE DRAWN THROUGH HER MOUTH
SO THAT SHE MAY NEVER RISE AND CAUSE EVIL AGAIN.
...HOW'S THAT STRAT?...BETTER? Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:56:30 PM
I remembered a story I head once, that the British used to supply their soldiers with heroin in WW1. So, they had violence, they had drugs. Why would they bother going to Amsterdam?
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Well, there you go. There is a logical explanation for everything.
The thing that I find the most interesting here is not science, tho. Its basicaly what I have already mentioned. Its our imagination. I think its really a wonder how our imagination can trick us into sensing something that is not there, or misinterpreting that which is. But... thats how gods were born.
Tho there is something to be said about scientific explanations... They take away the magic and romance. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:00:52 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That's right, strat! There are explanations of a more "common" nature. Research shows that almost all "classic" ghost signs can be explained as the result of low-frequency sound waves that are trapped inside buildings. These waves can be triggered by nothing more than a slight wind passing over walls and, of course, cannot be heard by human ears. Tests show that they have an effect on the human body in that they cause uncomfortable "feelings" and vision problems.
A guy at a university in London found out first hand about this when he was alone one night in a lab. He had been told the building was "hannted" but claimed he did not believe it. He reported that night that he was increasingly "uncomfortable" , cold and feeling depressed and that he felt he was being "watched". He claimed he saw a shadowy figure in his peripheral vision. He said it moved and disappeared and, of course, he was terrified and left. Turns out, this guy was a fencing enthusiast and, when he returned the next day, he found he had left a sword blade clamped in a vice and had forgotten it. It was vibrating frantically, causing a low-frequency wave that filled the lab. Tests showed the wave increased in intensity near his desk. Apaprently, a newly installed fan was causing the sword to vibrate.
It turns out that these low-frequency sounds affect the temporal lobe of the human brain, causing one to get the feelings of depression or that someone is watching them or many other feelings people report and assign to "ghosts". You see, there are explanations for things, IF one is willing to actually look for the scientific facts. All too often, we choose to believe the impossible.
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:44:20 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
Well, I didnt get much of that. As I said many times before, physics is far from my area of expertise.
What I do think we should look for first are normal, everyday causes as to why people get such experiences. I mean, in any house youre bound to hear noises. Maybe its the plumbing, maybe its the creaking of the wood, maybe there are rats or mice in the attic. It could be many things that sound like footsteps or other human activity. Of course, it can also be just that, human activity that comes from another human who is well and alive, that is just mistaken for paranormal. Again, the power of suggestion plays a huge role in it. Somebody might mistake wind for whispering, shadows for apparitions, etc. The doors could be out of balance, and might open on their own, simply because of gravity.
Sorry strat, I don't understand him either! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BUT, since you AND the lovely MG have opened the door to further conversation on the subject.... HAHAHAHAAA!!!! Actually MG, we were discussing the unlikeliness of ghosts and spirits. I have been reading on the physics involved and managed to (in MY mind) debunk much of this ghost nonsense. And so, let us continue!
It is said that ghosts are "immaterial" in nature. That is to say they can pass through solid objects and whatnot, yet we are told that people hear "footsteps" and doors opening and so on. This is inconsistent with the laws of motion and force. For a "ghost" to walk, it would require an interaction with the floor. One of the Laws of Motion is intertia (a body at rest remains at rest unless acted upon by external force). One cannot walk unless force is applied to the floor, yet we are told ghosts are immaterial. How could the floor know to exert force without Newton's third law (equal but opposite reaction)? The force applied against the floor causes opposite force (motion) to walk. So which is it? Are ghosts immaterial or not? Maybe they have supernatural powers that defy the laws of physics? Maybe they can "turn it on and off"? More interesting is that this power is used to mimick human ambulation (walking) which is actually a very slow and awkward way of getting about in the grand scheme of things. It occurs to me that a ghost of such incredible talents would use a much more efficient mode to get about.
MG_Metalgoddess wrote:
OMG I missed that in-depth conversation.. geesh
Has anyone here aver had a real expriance?? ghostly in that nature..
I used to live in a town house in Champlin MN many years ago with my brother.. and we always heard a baby crying..
The neighbors had no kids... so we finally asked someone, like a year later.. and they said a lady used to live in the townhouse attached to ours, and she had given birth in the middle of the nite and the baby died in the townhouse???
ANywase,,, thats one of my freaky exper.
(Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Edited at: Friday, December 12, 2008 3:01:48 PM
Edited at: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:23:19 AM
I remembered a story I head once, that the British used to supply their soldiers with heroin in WW1. So, they had violence, they had drugs. Why would they bother going to Amsterdam?
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
I remembered a story I head once, that the British used to supply their soldiers with heroin in WW1. So, they had violence, they had drugs. Why would they bother going to Amsterdam? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:52:37 AM)
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Cool, but I prefer the part where they talk about nailing her to the coffin "so she may never rise and cause evil again..." [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:17:10 AM)
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
WE ARE GATHERED HERE TONIGHT TO LAY TO REST ABIGAIL La FEY,WHOM WE NOW KNOW WAS FIRST BORN DEAD ON THE 7th DAY OF JULY 1777...
_strat_ wrote:
Tell that to Abigail LaFay.
Head banger wrote:
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Hey, DF, Im afraid I dont understand HBs Canadian babbling. Could you translate please? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, December 13, 2008 8:51:07 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ask DF, I speak canadian not english! HA!
_strat_ wrote:
Yikes! Well, I guess thats what happens when I try to teach English to a native English speaker... WIll STFU on grammar.
Head banger wrote:
I was actualy calling soy abnormal, instead of paranormal. but yes you got the esence of the phrases there.
_strat_ wrote:
I think that "abnormal" simply refers to weird things. So, I guess that running around in your underwear, burbing to the tune of "metal gods" is abnormal, but coming from the afterlife to pay a visit to your friends and wondering why are they all freaking out, is paranormal. Then again, Freeze will probably know this better than I do.
Head banger wrote:
I thought it was abnormal, not paranormal?
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
...I AM CANADIAN!...AND I AM PARANORMAL!!!...SOOOOOO ....DON'T MAKE ME SEND MY MINIONS OF DARKNESS TO YOUR DOOR ...FOR OUR NAME IS LEGION.....AND WE
ARE MANY!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
one would asume that dying in a WWI battle would suck. would a ghost want to stay in such an area, or go somewhere else? personaly, I would move to amsterdam, or backstage of the speerming rhino.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Well, I guess its logical to assume that the more people died in a certain location, the higher the number of ghosts in that location will be. But since there are no such things as ghosts, we can drop the theory into the superstitious garbage can right away.
As for Rolling Stones... They are undead, if ever I saw an undead.
And dont think you are too smart... I completed a jigsaw puzzle in two months, even though it said "3-5 years" on the box.
Oh, and you do know youre a geek? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:54:18 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
The Rolling Stones?!?!?! BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!! TOO funny! Well, one last bit on the vampire thing; If we ignore human mortality, death/birth rates, etc. and figure that one vampire must "feed" once a month and started on say, Feb 1st, then you have TWO vampires feeding in March, four in April and the number grows exponentially. After X months, you have a mathematical elimination of mortals. (It is called geometric progression, I believe)
As for ghosts on battlefields, I do not believe it matters how many people died in a certain area. I hear that a lot. Same thing with graveyards and whatnot. NOW then, as for my knowledge SOY..........It just so happens I can do the TV crossword in under TWO weeks!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:43:27 PM)
_strat_ wrote:
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
GREAT STUFF!!! I love how you play the guitar. Specialy good to hear your own material!
Only the drums sound weird, but I guess that is a drum machine youre using? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Friday, December 12, 2008 8:29:23 AM)
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
Thanks, man. I truly do appreciate it. I have upgraded this song with a little bit better of a vocal line in the 1st verse and additional guitar fill in's and some of the high end removed.....
MM, your vocal skills are very good (though your guitar playing is f***ing phenomonal!!!!). I also really like the song....Very reminiscent of the thrash metal of the 90's imo.
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
Alright....I am, by far, my own worst critic. I am posting this on here to get opinion as to weather or not, I should even open my mouth as a vocalist. I posted the music only on here a while back. I know that I am pitchy at the tail end of the 1st verse and a few other spots as well. This is one that may or may not make my originals CD and it is NOT final product.......
I am looking for opinion. Please try to take it easy on me!! lol I do sound somewhat like the bastard offspring of Tim Owens and Dave Mustaine. Let me know.........
Well, that would depend on how much an average vampire needs to sustain itself. If we take into consideration that an average adult human has about 3 litres of blood in his/her body, how many humans per day would a vampire need to drain to survive? Though Im not sure if "survive" is the correct expression, since I believe vampires are considered to be a part of the "undead" group, alongside Zombies and the Rolling Stones, in which case they dont need to sustain themselves, since they cannot die of hunger, or indeed of anything... Umm... Well, now Im lost. Gotta HATE math.
Now, a bit more seriously, there were some researches made in the area of western Slovenia, near the border with Italy, where there was a very big battle between the Italian and Austro-Hungarian armies in World War 1. Today it is a very popular tourist area, so you can imagine that there are a lot of people crawling over the places where the frontline trenches used to be some 90 years ago. But so far all they found were bones, parts of equipment, and a couple of artillery shells that turn up every year. But no ghosts. Even though a million people died on both sides in 3 years of fighting. Go figure. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:31:24 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well put, strat. I do believe they have done "paranormal" research at a couple of the places you mentioned. I enjoy physics anyway but I have really enjoyed the research I have been doing. It is incredibly interesting how these things really can be explained. I saw a small piece on vampires that was GREAT. It used math to explain that the "classic" idea of vampires does not work. If one is a vampire and kills a "mortal" then that "mortal" becomes a vampire you end up with one less mortal and one more vampire. If the legend begins in the 1600's and there were X number in the world population, we would be extinct now! HAAAAAA!!!!! Gotta LOVE math!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Yikes! Well, I guess thats what happens when I try to teach English to a native English speaker... WIll STFU on grammar. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 12, 2008 5:08:45 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I was actualy calling soy abnormal, instead of paranormal. but yes you got the esence of the phrases there.
_strat_ wrote:
I think that "abnormal" simply refers to weird things. So, I guess that running around in your underwear, burbing to the tune of "metal gods" is abnormal, but coming from the afterlife to pay a visit to your friends and wondering why are they all freaking out, is paranormal. Then again, Freeze will probably know this better than I do.
Head banger wrote:
I thought it was abnormal, not paranormal?
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
...I AM CANADIAN!...AND I AM PARANORMAL!!!...SOOOOOO ....DON'T MAKE ME SEND MY MINIONS OF DARKNESS TO YOUR DOOR ...FOR OUR NAME IS LEGION.....AND WE
ARE MANY!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Interesting stuff. Though Im not into any kind of physics, but I do have a bit of a fascination with the paranormal. Not that I believe in ghosts and apparitions and the rest of the classic horror film stuff, but I think it is pretty interesting.
I saw a TV programe a while ago that dealt with the power of suggestion when it came to people experiencing paranormal activities. They found a room in some old building that had a "reputation for being haunted" as they put it, and sent in two groups of people to spend the night in it. One group was aware of the reputation for hauntings, while the other one wasnt. The result was pretty clear. The group that expected to see ghosts saw them (or at least "felt their presence"), while the other group saw what they expected as well; an ordinary room. Just goes to show that our imagination can be very powerfull, and can even trick our senses.
Then its the whole thing about where people see ghosts. Such places are usualy described as sights where people met a very out of the ordinary type of death, usualy very violent and painfull. So why do all those ghost stories take place in old castles, mansions, and similar sights? Wouldnt it be more logical to search for ghosts in sights that were (or are) battlefields or concentration camps? I think that if we abide by that logic, it would be much more easier to find a ghost in Stalingrad or near Paschendale where millions have met a very violent death in a short space of time, than in an old castle, where they hanged some prisoner 300 years ago.
Now, if those occurences can be scientificaly explained, thats another thing. The above are just some of my observances on the "classic" perception of paranormal. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 12, 2008 2:39:00 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
I think that "abnormal" simply refers to weird things. So, I guess that running around in your underwear, burping to the tune of "metal gods" is abnormal, but coming from the afterlife to pay a visit to your friends and wondering why are they all freaking out, is paranormal. Then again, Freeze will probably know this better than I do. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 12, 2008 4:18:12 PM)
Head banger wrote:
I thought it was abnormal, not paranormal?
Soylentgreen4u wrote:
...I AM CANADIAN!...AND I AM PARANORMAL!!!...SOOOOOO ....DON'T MAKE ME SEND MY MINIONS OF DARKNESS TO YOUR DOOR ...FOR OUR NAME IS LEGION.....AND WE
ARE MANY!
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not know much about "bigfoot" but I have found that this abundance of time I have compels me to occupy my mind. I have been reading on the paranormal, ghosts and whatnot. Before I go on, you are all aware that I do NOT believe in "god", "deity" and all that. I really do not believe there are such things as "ghosts", spirits and lost-souls, at least not the way we generally think of them. However, as is my wont, I have been researching this from a more scientific position. Specifically, Quantum Physics.
You see, just because we cannot see something does not mean it doesn't exist. Human beings are limited by their five senses. Through Quantum Physics, we learn that there is a plane that truly exists that we cannot see or hear but it is there. For example, we are unable to see ultraviolet light. We cannot hear a "dog whistle". These things do exist. Thus, we come to what many call "ghosts". I have learned that there are two basic types of "ghosts". We can define them as "real" and "unreal", if you will.
"Real" ghosts are often called "interactive". They are everywhere. They are not floating mists or half-figure apparitions. They are basically energy that is outside our sentient boundary. They do not cause fear or dread, rather, the envelope you in the "warm and fuzzies". Some call them "angels" but they are basically energy that is perceived in a spiritual manner. This is NOT paranormal!
"Unreal" ghosts are basically the crap we hear about most often. They exist, or are claimed to exist, by people that actually believe in this stuff. You may have noticed that "non-believers" rarely have occasion to meet up with this form of "ghost". No small wonder. They seem to defy the Law of Conservation of Matter and Energy because they blink in and out of existence like virtual particles. Again, Quantum Physics has a possible answer. There is a statement in QP that says, "nothing is real until you look at it." ALL "ghosts" abide by the laws of QP. Those that experience this type of "ghost" often say they seem to be caught in a "time-loop", replaying a scene over and over. There is a QP equation which states, "for every 'now' that we experience, a positive wave flows into the future and a negative into the past, like ripples on the water when one throws a rock into a pond. That some people have this experience with these "ghosts" is merely a function of human consciousness. In short, a natural occurrence. NOT paranormal.
The existence of "demons" or "poltergeists" are merely a matter of abnormalpsychology. As for "shadows" and whatnot, we can explain these as functions of the physiology of the eye. So, do all these things "exist"? Yes. We can scientifically measure energy. We can prove that there is existence outside of human senses. What is really needed is to remove superstitions and religious nonsense and take a more common-sense approach.
Moving on from Poe, now reading "The Children of Hurin" from the one and only J.R.R. Tolkien. Soon to be followed by "The Hobbit" (for at least the 5th time) and then by the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy (at least for the 10th time). Yup. December will be a Tolkien month for me.
Umm... Sure. Whatever that means. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:50:25 AM)
Head banger wrote:
draw a line in the sand, in front of the surf.
_strat_ wrote:
Blessed be the line drawers, for they cannot really draw lines, and if they could, they would probably not know where.
Seriously guys, WTF? Craig wants to talk about sandwiches. Vail wants to talk about sandwiches, since she responded. Maybe someone else wants to talk about sandwiches too, we will see.
Its in the "Beyond the Realms of Priest" section, and even if it wasnt, you still wouldnt have to read or post in it. Why not just let people talk about what they want, without starting shit over it?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!! You're starting to sound like me!!! Unfortunately, blessed are the 'line drawers' for they are few....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Thank you my friend. I can deal with a lot of nonsense and stupidity, but a sandwich thread? The line needs to be drawn somewhere!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Amen, Darth. Amen.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
There is a Sandwich thread. Good Lord! Someone save us from stupid threads!!!!!!!!
Ok, you dont like it. I get that. What I dont get is why is there always such an uproar whenever a thread that you or somebody else thinks is stupid appears.
Blessed be the line drawers, for they cannot really draw lines, and if they could, they would probably not know where.
Seriously guys, WTF? Craig wants to talk about sandwiches. Vail wants to talk about sandwiches, since she responded. Maybe someone else wants to talk about sandwiches too, we will see.
Its in the "Beyond the Realms of Priest" section, and even if it wasnt, you still wouldnt have to read or post in it. Why not just let people talk about what they want, without starting shit over it?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!! You're starting to sound like me!!! Unfortunately, blessed are the 'line drawers' for they are few....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Thank you my friend. I can deal with a lot of nonsense and stupidity, but a sandwich thread? The line needs to be drawn somewhere!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Amen, Darth. Amen.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
There is a Sandwich thread. Good Lord! Someone save us from stupid threads!!!!!!!!
Blessed be the line drawers, for they cannot really draw lines, and if they could, they would probably not know where.
Seriously guys, WTF? Craig wants to talk about sandwiches. Vail wants to talk about sandwiches, since she responded. Maybe someone else wants to talk about sandwiches too, we will see.
Its in the "Beyond the Realms of Priest" section, and even if it wasnt, you still wouldnt have to read or post in it. Why not just let people talk about what they want, without starting shit over it? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:38:42 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!! You're starting to sound like me!!! Unfortunately, blessed are the 'line drawers' for they are few....HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Thank you my friend. I can deal with a lot of nonsense and stupidity, but a sandwich thread? The line needs to be drawn somewhere!
Deep Freeze wrote:
Amen, Darth. Amen.
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
There is a Sandwich thread. Good Lord! Someone save us from stupid threads!!!!!!!!
"In a fairy tale, the hero kills the dragon and marries the princess. In reality, he kills no one and marries the dragon." [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:01:58 PM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
"Life's bitch, then you marry one."
... or, so I've heard ...
METALMANJP wrote:
And once you are married you will either be right or happy but never both at the same time.
I have a homework for you. Abriviate the following sentence:
"Five Underaged Canadian Kenians" [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 10, 2008 3:42:53 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
AL !!!!!!!!!! Wonderful to see you again, my "amigo".... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The back is the same, thank you for asking.
Now then you lot..."hole" in and of itself, is fine. In fact this (w) HOLE thing is crazy! HAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So, let us forget this silliness. I shall not utter a foul word! Ever!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!!
Come to think of it it was smartass not asshole. Still a progress, tho. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Wednesday, December 10, 2008 1:49:26 PM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
What!?
Now, 'hole' is a bad word too...??? Cripes, I'm never gonna be able to keep this straight...
But, "ass" is okay. Alrighty then... ♫
Um, but Freeze ... there's always a "hole" attached. It can inevitably be found by way of the ever popular loop-hole, or button-hole, or key-hole, or that elusive yet exclusive 'hole-in-one...'
I hereby stand in defense of the word "hole", therefore suggesting you amend any future swearing to include it.
Thank you very much, and we look forward to your continued profanity.
Cheers.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! OK you two! Enough! HAHAHHAAAAA!!!!! OH and for the record, I did say "ass" but that was it. There was never any "hole" attached! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[_strat_] Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:49:14 AM
Would you rather have Hillary on it? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:56:04 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
OK, this could possibly be the wrong Thread but something is really PISSING me OFF!!!!!
Several times now I have seen a television commercial for a Barack Obama COIN!!!! A FRIGGIN COIN!?!?!?!?!??!?!?? WHAT THE HELL??? I mean, great, the guy won the presidency. BIG FREAKIN DEAL!! It happens once every four years around here! A COIN????? The man has not even DONE anything yet. NOTHING! So we are making coins now just for getting elected??? WHAT??? The ONLY reason this is happening is because he is BLACK. NO other reason. It was my understanding that color did not matter! Apparently, it will get you immortalized on a FREAKIN COIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[_strat_] Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:48:20 AM
Lol!!! Save the effort, WW. Making Freeze swear is like trying to draw blood from a stone. "Asshole" is reportedly as far as he can go. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:50:32 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
C'mon Freeze!!!
You CAN do it!
Starts off with an "F".... Yes, that's good, so far. Now, just three more little letters...
(You'll feel a whole lot better!)
Deep Freeze wrote:
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"..our dear leader"?????!?!?!?!? WHAT THE F***?????? AAARRRRGGHHH!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:18:19 AM)
OK, this could possibly be the wrong Thread but something is really PISSING me OFF!!!!!
Several times now I have seen a television commercial for a Barack Obama COIN!!!! A FRIGGIN COIN!?!?!?!?!??!?!?? WHAT THE HELL??? I mean, great, the guy won the presidency. BIG FREAKIN DEAL!! It happens once every four years around here! A COIN????? The man has not even DONE anything yet. NOTHING! So we are making coins now just for getting elected??? WHAT??? The ONLY reason this is happening is because he is BLACK. NO other reason. It was my understanding that color did not matter! Apparently, it will get you immortalized on a FREAKIN COIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited at: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 9:42:52 AM
Well, i guess its just that countries like ours are not interesting for them. But then again... At least they had a show at your end, while we over here are still waiting for it. 17 years since the last show is a lot. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:40:09 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Here's the thing.... There were photographers!!!!! Like 5-10 of the fu*kers taking photos of both the band and the audience!!!! One of the photographers talked to me before the show started..... whats the go?!?!! them photos are sitting in someones office gathering dust... or in someones computer waiting to be uploaded so i can look at them BUT NO... they are not on this site.... I'm very very angry... I have waited too damn long to see them... US and Europe fans have their pics posted but Australia and Asia don't?? why ....... tell me why???
WHERE IS EVERYONE TODAY?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Hey, it could be worse. You could be like Brits. Not only do they not use the metric, they wont have the Euro, AND they drive on the wrong side of the road. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:36:25 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
HB, the only reason my country won't soon convert to Metric is b/c it would take FARRRRRRRRRRRR too long to retrain all of the stupid people, translate measurements, speed limit signs, politicians, etc...
Head banger wrote:
of course I mean C. you think I would post in F like DF would.
_strat_ wrote:
-16?!?!?!? You mean °C, right? We have -2 and I was dying of cold on the way to work. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 08, 2008 8:35:02 PM)
Head banger wrote:
if thats too hot I have some snow for you to shovel!!! its -16 currently.
But, yeah, sorry, I mix you guys up sometimes. I know that the US doesnt have metric, and up to now I thought that went for Canada to. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:34:00 AM)
Head banger wrote:
of course I mean C. you think I would post in F like DF would.
_strat_ wrote:
-16?!?!?!? You mean °C, right? We have -2 and I was dying of cold on the way to work. (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 08, 2008 8:35:02 PM)
Head banger wrote:
if thats too hot I have some snow for you to shovel!!! its -16 currently.
Tell me about it. The only show that was within my reach (in Zagreb) got canceled, and fuck knows if theyre going to reschedule it, or just let it go. That there would be no pictures from it, that kinda goes without saying. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:32:11 PM)
devils_child wrote:
Ok, this is starting to piss me off... It's been 4 months since JP toured Australia... and what photos are in the photo section of this site.. Only one's from Sydney.. Now I go into the U.S section and there's 100's. I feel so fricken ripped off as a fan right now.
They played there first ever show here in Australia in my city Brisbane.. and we don't get to see the photos?!?. I hate being stuck down here on this god forsaken island!! It's bad enough the older fans had to wait 35+ years to see them, hell even Maiden took 15 years to get back here.
Australian bands take the time to tour the world and still play here, why is it that bands from the Northern Hemisphere don't?? What too far to travel?, Do they think we don't exist?? Perhaps I should direct my anger at the management of the bands... Ok JP may have finally got their butts down here to put on a couple of shows for us and I am eternally greatful for that, words can not express the deep sense of gratitude i have.. but it's like they came and went and forgot it ever happened!... Where are my photos damn it!!!!!!!! And none from the Asian part of the tour?? what's the go................. I'm so angry at the rest of the world right now, Damn Europe and U.S it's like nothing else exists... They get to experience more concerts, more frequently and don't get me started on music festivals.... God forbid we have any good one's here. Band signings are few and far between I'm sick of getting stiffed down here... Maybe if i yell, kick, scream loud enough I might get a response.
Alright guys, have a nice day!! I'm off to the land of naughty dreams... hehehe.... bye!
Head banger wrote:
later then
devils_child wrote:
**cracks whip**..... hahaha you're all mine!!
Seriously I'm getting pretty tired here, Gotta hit the sack... LOL, I'll be around for a few more minutes if i don't get to say bye i'm doing it now. !! Take care mate. See ya round the board..
Deep Freeze wrote:
Thanks A LOT, HB! Umm, 'Child....my dear. Let's be rational. I mean...umm...er...
One doesnt exclude the other, you know... I was thinking of equiping him with a couple of them plasma screens, a stereo system, maybe some cool lights... It would be the end of DPK as we know him, but it would be the start of a new show: Pimp my IT guy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:40:03 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Darth is about to be injured. IT guy. either that or strat has some strange cyborg theories.
Deep Freeze wrote:
KY??!?!?!? Hold on a minute! Just what is going on here???????
Head banger wrote:
ouch. Darth, start looking for some KY.
_strat_ wrote:
Thank you so much for telling us youre an IT guy!
HB, Guido, hold him down while I perform the ancient ritual involving a keyboard, a broken down DVD drive, and paper scissors.
Then we can move on to the boss...
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Sacrifice what? Ummmm....Strat? I AM AN IT GUY! No sacrificing the IT guy! Go sacrifice the pointy-haired boss instead. Though, one of our network admins is a bloody jerkoff, and I wouldn't mind seeing his fat carcass slaughtered. Did I type that? Yes! Yes I did!
_strat_ wrote:
Sacrifice the IT guy! Im sure that anyone of us that has had experience with them will support you.
Head banger wrote:
pray?? I could sacrifice a goat?? or perhaps a flash drive would be more appropriate.
guidogodoy wrote:
WEEEELLLLL, THAT sucks!
Plan two then: cross your fingers and dance a jig to honor the computer gods so that they might smile upon you.
Head banger wrote:
cant, company machine, the head IT guy wouldnt let me
but I did run 17 updates now, perhaps one of them addresses it
thats with sp3 BTW???
Well, Ive been showered with new tasks now, so ill have to leave... See you both in... A very long time, Id say. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:42:42 AM)
devils_child wrote:
One word for you Strat.... foreplay.....
_strat_ wrote:
LOL!! Well, what can I say... Women. Always beating around the bush! (j/k)
devils_child wrote:
well yes but I like to start in the vertical position first.....
_strat_ wrote:
Horizontal Hustle? Isnt that a lovely dance?
devils_child wrote:
The only guys that can dance now days are either gay or in the military.... such a shame... I like a man with more moves than just "thrusting" at me.... Not cool
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah yes! The fairer sex! There is something about a man that can dance that makes a woman swoon, my friend! At least it did in my day! I always enjoyed school dances or clubs. Of course, back then it was a far different "dance" than today. FAR different! HA!!!!!!!!!!! Not only am I unable to dance the way kids do today, I am unwilling! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the video, it is on an old VHS tape. I can assure you it will never be seen on YouTube!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, that would probably be easy enough, if you have it in digital format already... But there are people who can give you much better advice than me, so ill just STFU.
As for dancing, if it works with chicks, then it might be worth learning it. But as I said, Im an anti-talent when it comes to dancing. I can play a guitar, I can play the basics on a bass, I can even sing some less demanding songs (punk numbers and WW2 marching songs - dont ask how these two genres fit together), but dancing... No. Never.
Deep Freeze wrote:
AH but you must remember that I come from a time when people felt that you had to be able to sing AND dance to be "talented". They still taught "tap" as a means of making it to Hollywood!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I learned to dance at a young age and always loved it. I even thoroughly impressed the Priincess when we first met with my ability to move with at least some grace. Still, I will NOT post it. I promise. Would not know how, for one thing!! HA!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:10:43 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Keep it! Dont under any condition put it on YouTube, where I could accidentaly come accros it! Dont post it! I just had my lunch! (j/k, of course)
But if you actualy can dance, well... Cool. I was always more an Ozzy than an Axl. Couldnt dance if my life depended on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kidding! I actually have a video around here somewhere of me in a band MANY years (and pounds) ago. Now THERE are some moves!!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!! Whenever we need a good laugh, the Princess will dig that thing up and play it! Oh MAN!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Finaly something that I did not have to know.
And Ozzy dancing around like Axl wouldnt have attracted many fans.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Axl does that "snake wiggle" thing!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I used to be able to imitate that before my surgery! HA!!!!!!!!! Ozzy has never been a graceful guy. Even in the early 70's, he did not do much more than "bang" his head and give the "peace sign" with his fingers.
_strat_ wrote:
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
LOL!! Well, what can I say... Women. Always beating around the bush! (j/k) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:38:01 AM)
devils_child wrote:
well yes but I like to start in the vertical position first.....
_strat_ wrote:
Horizontal Hustle? Isnt that a lovely dance?
devils_child wrote:
The only guys that can dance now days are either gay or in the military.... such a shame... I like a man with more moves than just "thrusting" at me.... Not cool
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah yes! The fairer sex! There is something about a man that can dance that makes a woman swoon, my friend! At least it did in my day! I always enjoyed school dances or clubs. Of course, back then it was a far different "dance" than today. FAR different! HA!!!!!!!!!!! Not only am I unable to dance the way kids do today, I am unwilling! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the video, it is on an old VHS tape. I can assure you it will never be seen on YouTube!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, that would probably be easy enough, if you have it in digital format already... But there are people who can give you much better advice than me, so ill just STFU.
As for dancing, if it works with chicks, then it might be worth learning it. But as I said, Im an anti-talent when it comes to dancing. I can play a guitar, I can play the basics on a bass, I can even sing some less demanding songs (punk numbers and WW2 marching songs - dont ask how these two genres fit together), but dancing... No. Never.
Deep Freeze wrote:
AH but you must remember that I come from a time when people felt that you had to be able to sing AND dance to be "talented". They still taught "tap" as a means of making it to Hollywood!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I learned to dance at a young age and always loved it. I even thoroughly impressed the Priincess when we first met with my ability to move with at least some grace. Still, I will NOT post it. I promise. Would not know how, for one thing!! HA!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:10:43 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Keep it! Dont under any condition put it on YouTube, where I could accidentaly come accros it! Dont post it! I just had my lunch! (j/k, of course)
But if you actualy can dance, well... Cool. I was always more an Ozzy than an Axl. Couldnt dance if my life depended on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kidding! I actually have a video around here somewhere of me in a band MANY years (and pounds) ago. Now THERE are some moves!!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!! Whenever we need a good laugh, the Princess will dig that thing up and play it! Oh MAN!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Finaly something that I did not have to know.
And Ozzy dancing around like Axl wouldnt have attracted many fans.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Axl does that "snake wiggle" thing!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I used to be able to imitate that before my surgery! HA!!!!!!!!! Ozzy has never been a graceful guy. Even in the early 70's, he did not do much more than "bang" his head and give the "peace sign" with his fingers.
_strat_ wrote:
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
The only guys that can dance now days are either gay or in the military.... such a shame... I like a man with more moves than just "thrusting" at me.... Not cool
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah yes! The fairer sex! There is something about a man that can dance that makes a woman swoon, my friend! At least it did in my day! I always enjoyed school dances or clubs. Of course, back then it was a far different "dance" than today. FAR different! HA!!!!!!!!!!! Not only am I unable to dance the way kids do today, I am unwilling! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the video, it is on an old VHS tape. I can assure you it will never be seen on YouTube!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, that would probably be easy enough, if you have it in digital format already... But there are people who can give you much better advice than me, so ill just STFU.
As for dancing, if it works with chicks, then it might be worth learning it. But as I said, Im an anti-talent when it comes to dancing. I can play a guitar, I can play the basics on a bass, I can even sing some less demanding songs (punk numbers and WW2 marching songs - dont ask how these two genres fit together), but dancing... No. Never.
Deep Freeze wrote:
AH but you must remember that I come from a time when people felt that you had to be able to sing AND dance to be "talented". They still taught "tap" as a means of making it to Hollywood!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I learned to dance at a young age and always loved it. I even thoroughly impressed the Priincess when we first met with my ability to move with at least some grace. Still, I will NOT post it. I promise. Would not know how, for one thing!! HA!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:10:43 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Keep it! Dont under any condition put it on YouTube, where I could accidentaly come accros it! Dont post it! I just had my lunch! (j/k, of course)
But if you actualy can dance, well... Cool. I was always more an Ozzy than an Axl. Couldnt dance if my life depended on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kidding! I actually have a video around here somewhere of me in a band MANY years (and pounds) ago. Now THERE are some moves!!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!! Whenever we need a good laugh, the Princess will dig that thing up and play it! Oh MAN!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Finaly something that I did not have to know.
And Ozzy dancing around like Axl wouldnt have attracted many fans.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Axl does that "snake wiggle" thing!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I used to be able to imitate that before my surgery! HA!!!!!!!!! Ozzy has never been a graceful guy. Even in the early 70's, he did not do much more than "bang" his head and give the "peace sign" with his fingers.
_strat_ wrote:
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
Im beginning to suspect that "Hair" is not a musical at all, but a realistic representation of that time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:28:04 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ah yes! The fairer sex! There is something about a man that can dance that makes a woman swoon, my friend! At least it did in my day! I always enjoyed school dances or clubs. Of course, back then it was a far different "dance" than today. FAR different! HA!!!!!!!!!!! Not only am I unable to dance the way kids do today, I am unwilling! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As for the video, it is on an old VHS tape. I can assure you it will never be seen on YouTube!
_strat_ wrote:
Ah, that would probably be easy enough, if you have it in digital format already... But there are people who can give you much better advice than me, so ill just STFU.
As for dancing, if it works with chicks, then it might be worth learning it. But as I said, Im an anti-talent when it comes to dancing. I can play a guitar, I can play the basics on a bass, I can even sing some less demanding songs (punk numbers and WW2 marching songs - dont ask how these two genres fit together), but dancing... No. Never.
Deep Freeze wrote:
AH but you must remember that I come from a time when people felt that you had to be able to sing AND dance to be "talented". They still taught "tap" as a means of making it to Hollywood!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I learned to dance at a young age and always loved it. I even thoroughly impressed the Priincess when we first met with my ability to move with at least some grace. Still, I will NOT post it. I promise. Would not know how, for one thing!! HA!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:10:43 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Keep it! Dont under any condition put it on YouTube, where I could accidentaly come accros it! Dont post it! I just had my lunch! (j/k, of course)
But if you actualy can dance, well... Cool. I was always more an Ozzy than an Axl. Couldnt dance if my life depended on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kidding! I actually have a video around here somewhere of me in a band MANY years (and pounds) ago. Now THERE are some moves!!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!! Whenever we need a good laugh, the Princess will dig that thing up and play it! Oh MAN!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Finaly something that I did not have to know.
And Ozzy dancing around like Axl wouldnt have attracted many fans.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Axl does that "snake wiggle" thing!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I used to be able to imitate that before my surgery! HA!!!!!!!!! Ozzy has never been a graceful guy. Even in the early 70's, he did not do much more than "bang" his head and give the "peace sign" with his fingers.
_strat_ wrote:
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
AH but you must remember that I come from a time when people felt that you had to be able to sing AND dance to be "talented". They still taught "tap" as a means of making it to Hollywood!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I learned to dance at a young age and always loved it. I even thoroughly impressed the Priincess when we first met with my ability to move with at least some grace. Still, I will NOT post it. I promise. Would not know how, for one thing!! HA!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:10:43 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Keep it! Dont under any condition put it on YouTube, where I could accidentaly come accros it! Dont post it! I just had my lunch! (j/k, of course)
But if you actualy can dance, well... Cool. I was always more an Ozzy than an Axl. Couldnt dance if my life depended on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kidding! I actually have a video around here somewhere of me in a band MANY years (and pounds) ago. Now THERE are some moves!!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!! Whenever we need a good laugh, the Princess will dig that thing up and play it! Oh MAN!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Finaly something that I did not have to know.
And Ozzy dancing around like Axl wouldnt have attracted many fans.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Axl does that "snake wiggle" thing!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I used to be able to imitate that before my surgery! HA!!!!!!!!! Ozzy has never been a graceful guy. Even in the early 70's, he did not do much more than "bang" his head and give the "peace sign" with his fingers.
_strat_ wrote:
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
Ah, that would probably be easy enough, if you have it in digital format already... But there are people who can give you much better advice than me, so ill just STFU.
As for dancing, if it works with chicks, then it might be worth learning it. But as I said, Im an anti-talent when it comes to dancing. I can play a guitar, I can play the basics on a bass, I can even sing some less demanding songs (punk numbers and WW2 marching songs - dont ask how these two genres fit together), but dancing... No. Never. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:15:22 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
AH but you must remember that I come from a time when people felt that you had to be able to sing AND dance to be "talented". They still taught "tap" as a means of making it to Hollywood!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously, I learned to dance at a young age and always loved it. I even thoroughly impressed the Priincess when we first met with my ability to move with at least some grace. Still, I will NOT post it. I promise. Would not know how, for one thing!! HA!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:10:43 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
Keep it! Dont under any condition put it on YouTube, where I could accidentaly come accros it! Dont post it! I just had my lunch! (j/k, of course)
But if you actualy can dance, well... Cool. I was always more an Ozzy than an Axl. Couldnt dance if my life depended on it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kidding! I actually have a video around here somewhere of me in a band MANY years (and pounds) ago. Now THERE are some moves!!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!! Whenever we need a good laugh, the Princess will dig that thing up and play it! Oh MAN!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Finaly something that I did not have to know.
And Ozzy dancing around like Axl wouldnt have attracted many fans.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Axl does that "snake wiggle" thing!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I used to be able to imitate that before my surgery! HA!!!!!!!!! Ozzy has never been a graceful guy. Even in the early 70's, he did not do much more than "bang" his head and give the "peace sign" with his fingers.
_strat_ wrote:
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
Keep it! Dont under any condition put it on YouTube, where I could accidentaly come accros it! Dont post it! I just had my lunch! (j/k, of course)
But if you actualy can dance, well... Cool. I was always more an Ozzy than an Axl. Couldnt dance if my life depended on it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:07:36 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No kidding! I actually have a video around here somewhere of me in a band MANY years (and pounds) ago. Now THERE are some moves!!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAA!!! Whenever we need a good laugh, the Princess will dig that thing up and play it! Oh MAN!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Finaly something that I did not have to know.
And Ozzy dancing around like Axl wouldnt have attracted many fans.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Axl does that "snake wiggle" thing!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I used to be able to imitate that before my surgery! HA!!!!!!!!! Ozzy has never been a graceful guy. Even in the early 70's, he did not do much more than "bang" his head and give the "peace sign" with his fingers.
_strat_ wrote:
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
And Ozzy dancing around like Axl wouldnt have attracted many fans. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 6:00:04 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, Axl does that "snake wiggle" thing!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!!! I used to be able to imitate that before my surgery! HA!!!!!!!!! Ozzy has never been a graceful guy. Even in the early 70's, he did not do much more than "bang" his head and give the "peace sign" with his fingers.
_strat_ wrote:
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
Axl shakes his ass like a ho from a 50 cent video. Ozzy moons the audience. I pick Ozzy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 5:51:40 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Aaaarrgghh. All of this is Greek to me! HA!!
HB, I never considered Ozzy a "great" singer, in the mold of a Dio. He was distinctive, certainly. As for his onstage "moves", he was no dancer! (He may be a lover, but he aint no dancer....HA!) He always had kind of a stumbling, mechanical way of moving. VERY "white", if you will. Not really graceful, if you ask me. Now, Freddie Mercury had moves! WOW! That guy was graceful! Heck, even Axl Rose could move some! HA!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
RJD is an awesome singer. the line that gets me EVERY time I hear it is "Sing me a song your a singer..."
DF, was ozzy a great singer back in the day. I was impressed that he seemed coherant, jumped around a lot and got the words right. his vocal abilities didnt impress me much. but I didnt think he could move like that. he is no match for Dio though. Rob Halford has to be on his best day to compare.
_strat_ wrote:
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am.
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
HB, Guido, hold him down while I perform the ancient ritual involving a keyboard, a broken down DVD drive, and paper scissors.
Then we can move on to the boss... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:30:48 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Sacrifice what? Ummmm....Strat? I AM AN IT GUY! No sacrificing the IT guy! Go sacrifice the pointy-haired boss instead. Though, one of our network admins is a bloody jerkoff, and I wouldn't mind seeing his fat carcass slaughtered. Did I type that? Yes! Yes I did!
_strat_ wrote:
Sacrifice the IT guy! Im sure that anyone of us that has had experience with them will support you.
Head banger wrote:
pray?? I could sacrifice a goat?? or perhaps a flash drive would be more appropriate.
guidogodoy wrote:
WEEEELLLLL, THAT sucks!
Plan two then: cross your fingers and dance a jig to honor the computer gods so that they might smile upon you.
Head banger wrote:
cant, company machine, the head IT guy wouldnt let me
but I did run 17 updates now, perhaps one of them addresses it
thats with sp3 BTW???
-16?!?!?!? You mean °C, right? We have -2 and I was dying of cold on the way to work. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 08, 2008 8:35:02 PM)
Head banger wrote:
if thats too hot I have some snow for you to shovel!!! its -16 currently.
Sacrifice the IT guy! Im sure that anyone of us that has had experience with them will support you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 08, 2008 10:38:25 PM)
Head banger wrote:
pray?? I could sacrifice a goat?? or perhaps a flash drive would be more appropriate.
guidogodoy wrote:
WEEEELLLLL, THAT sucks!
Plan two then: cross your fingers and dance a jig to honor the computer gods so that they might smile upon you.
Head banger wrote:
cant, company machine, the head IT guy wouldnt let me
but I did run 17 updates now, perhaps one of them addresses it
thats with sp3 BTW???
Lol. Well, he is short, you cant deny that. I saw an interwiev with him once where he was surrounded by his bandmates from DIO. The rest of them were somewhere of a normal height, just Ronnie was down there like a child. And he has that mischevious, impish look as well.
But that aside, I said it before and I say it again, an awesome singer. His singing really sends shivers down my spine. AND he is good lyricist as well. Theres a song on the Black Sabbath: The Dio years album (a great album, worth every cent) that starts with "One fine day... In hell". How could I possibly not like that? Or lines like "shadow in the dark"? Thats metal! Not singing about chicks or partying. Thats just pop with guitar solos, as far as Im concerned. Dungeons and dragons, swords and sorcery. Thats metal for me!
Now, you can say Im a geek, because quite frankly... I am. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 08, 2008 7:52:02 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
His voice is distinctive, no doubt. He was a very good entertainer. I loved his shows. I have been to probably eight or nine of them. Like I said, he has simply abused his body to the point where he is hardly a living human being! All his mumbling, shuffling and confusion are NOT a joke.
As for Dio...a gnome?!?!? HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! That is TOO funny! He certainly is "ol iron lung", that's for sure! I do not think a cage could hold him! HA!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
Mhm. Dio is the little man with the huge voice. He looks really cool too. Kinda like a little gnome that I would keep locked in a cage in my house to do my bidding...
As for Ozzy, what I was refering to is that his voice has character. IDK what an entertainer he is, because I never seen him live. But Iron Man doesnt sound the same without Ozzy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 08, 2008 7:40:17 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Dio is great. A real vocal talent. Ozzy was good when he was at his best but he is no Dio. He is no Halford, either. Still, as far as being an "entertainer", you have a point. THAT he is! Of course, so is David Lee Roth. I never thought much of him vocally BUT he can work a crowd. Remarkable entertainer.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
Well, IDK, I was never much of a singer, but in Ozzies case I think that there never was much talent behind it. Just character.
As for R.J. Dio, that is another thing. One of my favourite singers of all time, and Id dare say that I prefer him over Halford sometimes. Glad to hear he can still pull it off.
I take it that means its better to listen to Crazy Train on a CD then going to see it live?
Anyway, what was it you saw? Black Sabbath, or solo? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, December 08, 2008 7:13:57 AM)
Head banger wrote:
ozzy is a good entertainer, saw him this sumer, but he cant sing anything agresive. softer stuff is fine.
_strat_ wrote:
IDK, Id kill to see Ozzy and Zakk playing live. Even if all they did was play the old hits like a jukebox. Then again, maybe its jsut that I havent seen them in their prime.
BUT, one thing that we can comfort ourselves with is that at least two of the classics, Priest and Maiden can still record good albums, and at least Maiden (I know that from my own experience) can put on one hell of a good show.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Quite frankly WW, I am not at all surprised. There are so many bands that continue to play well passed their "prime". Priest is one of the few that still "have it". I saw Aerosmith a couple years ago and came away incredibly disappointed. Same thing when I saw Ozzy back in the late 90's/early 2000's...just awful. Not saying that this was the general consensus, but it was terrible for me.
I am not sure if it is as you say, that they sacrifice sound for seating space, or if they just do not care anymore, but there really is something to be said for a band to play together for twenty or thirty years and be able to play with feeling and "togetherness", as you put it. That kind of emotion really comes out in the music. All the musicians among us can really understand what I am saying. The passion for the music is easy to hear, and it is very easy to hear when it is missing.
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Probably going to catch flak for this, but ...
We were pretty excited to see Metallica in Calgary on Friday night, but were bitterly disappointed. Now, I'm no rookie when it comes to concerts, as that was my 45th one -- one for each year I've been alive, and that includes seeing Priest (only) 5 times. But, I am so sorry to say Metallica sucked.
Their set-up to sell *all* the seats, with no back-stage and play closer to the middle of the arena must have had something to do with absolutely terrible sound quality, and they played a shitty, shitty, set-list. Don't know if it was b/c it was their second night of sold-out shows in town, but it was NOT good.
Maybe Hetfield needs to start drinking again, to get some inspiration. There was no 'style', no cohesiveness in their show. It was just separate guys doing their thing. It lacked something important. I wanted to be "wowed", believe me, I did ... But when people left during the first song of their "encore", I guess I was not the only one who may have felt that way. I was just kind of shocked.
We came out to the RV and cranked JP for all to hear how it was supposed to be done -- and to feed our unsatisfied souls with real music. I just can't think of the last time we were that disappointed with a band's performance.
Judas Priest raises the bar, and has spoiled me for any other metal band. Colley asked me to quote him as saying, "The more bands I see, the better Priest is."
Ok, now you can let the rotten tomatoes fly ... Sorry.
I havent seen Priest, Ive seen Maiden. I can speak for Maiden, not for Priest. Clear? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Monday, December 08, 2008 6:19:11 AM)
devils_child wrote:
What do you mean "And at least Maiden can put on a good show"..?!?! I'm hoping you only said that because you never seen Priest live...... IMO Priest sound far better live than Maiden...That said having seen them play the same venue within 8 months of each other...
_strat_ wrote:
IDK, Id kill to see Ozzy and Zakk playing live. Even if all they did was play the old hits like a jukebox. Then again, maybe its jsut that I havent seen them in their prime.
BUT, one thing that we can comfort ourselves with is that at least two of the classics, Priest and Maiden can still record good albums, and at least Maiden (I know that from my own experience) can put on one hell of a good show.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Quite frankly WW, I am not at all surprised. There are so many bands that continue to play well passed their "prime". Priest is one of the few that still "have it". I saw Aerosmith a couple years ago and came away incredibly disappointed. Same thing when I saw Ozzy back in the late 90's/early 2000's...just awful. Not saying that this was the general consensus, but it was terrible for me.
I am not sure if it is as you say, that they sacrifice sound for seating space, or if they just do not care anymore, but there really is something to be said for a band to play together for twenty or thirty years and be able to play with feeling and "togetherness", as you put it. That kind of emotion really comes out in the music. All the musicians among us can really understand what I am saying. The passion for the music is easy to hear, and it is very easy to hear when it is missing.
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Probably going to catch flak for this, but ...
We were pretty excited to see Metallica in Calgary on Friday night, but were bitterly disappointed. Now, I'm no rookie when it comes to concerts, as that was my 45th one -- one for each year I've been alive, and that includes seeing Priest (only) 5 times. But, I am so sorry to say Metallica sucked.
Their set-up to sell *all* the seats, with no back-stage and play closer to the middle of the arena must have had something to do with absolutely terrible sound quality, and they played a shitty, shitty, set-list. Don't know if it was b/c it was their second night of sold-out shows in town, but it was NOT good.
Maybe Hetfield needs to start drinking again, to get some inspiration. There was no 'style', no cohesiveness in their show. It was just separate guys doing their thing. It lacked something important. I wanted to be "wowed", believe me, I did ... But when people left during the first song of their "encore", I guess I was not the only one who may have felt that way. I was just kind of shocked.
We came out to the RV and cranked JP for all to hear how it was supposed to be done -- and to feed our unsatisfied souls with real music. I just can't think of the last time we were that disappointed with a band's performance.
Judas Priest raises the bar, and has spoiled me for any other metal band. Colley asked me to quote him as saying, "The more bands I see, the better Priest is."
Ok, now you can let the rotten tomatoes fly ... Sorry.
IDK, Id kill to see Ozzy and Zakk playing live. Even if all they did was play the old hits like a jukebox. Then again, maybe its jsut that I havent seen them in their prime.
BUT, one thing that we can comfort ourselves with is that at least two of the classics, Priest and Maiden can still record good albums, and at least Maiden (I know that from my own experience) can put on one hell of a good show. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, December 07, 2008 2:49:10 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Quite frankly WW, I am not at all surprised. There are so many bands that continue to play well passed their "prime". Priest is one of the few that still "have it". I saw Aerosmith a couple years ago and came away incredibly disappointed. Same thing when I saw Ozzy back in the late 90's/early 2000's...just awful. Not saying that this was the general consensus, but it was terrible for me.
I am not sure if it is as you say, that they sacrifice sound for seating space, or if they just do not care anymore, but there really is something to be said for a band to play together for twenty or thirty years and be able to play with feeling and "togetherness", as you put it. That kind of emotion really comes out in the music. All the musicians among us can really understand what I am saying. The passion for the music is easy to hear, and it is very easy to hear when it is missing.
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Probably going to catch flak for this, but ...
We were pretty excited to see Metallica in Calgary on Friday night, but were bitterly disappointed. Now, I'm no rookie when it comes to concerts, as that was my 45th one -- one for each year I've been alive, and that includes seeing Priest (only) 5 times. But, I am so sorry to say Metallica sucked.
Their set-up to sell *all* the seats, with no back-stage and play closer to the middle of the arena must have had something to do with absolutely terrible sound quality, and they played a shitty, shitty, set-list. Don't know if it was b/c it was their second night of sold-out shows in town, but it was NOT good.
Maybe Hetfield needs to start drinking again, to get some inspiration. There was no 'style', no cohesiveness in their show. It was just separate guys doing their thing. It lacked something important. I wanted to be "wowed", believe me, I did ... But when people left during the first song of their "encore", I guess I was not the only one who may have felt that way. I was just kind of shocked.
We came out to the RV and cranked JP for all to hear how it was supposed to be done -- and to feed our unsatisfied souls with real music. I just can't think of the last time we were that disappointed with a band's performance.
Judas Priest raises the bar, and has spoiled me for any other metal band. Colley asked me to quote him as saying, "The more bands I see, the better Priest is."
Ok, now you can let the rotten tomatoes fly ... Sorry.
Still doing the bidding of your boy-king, Tim? Wouldnt you rather join forces with the Admiral? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, December 06, 2008 12:21:43 AM)
But I am taking my leave. Goodbye. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:19:28 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Go read a book, will ya?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Calm down... Im sure he didnt do it to piss you off. And if he did, than its my job to be angry with him, because pissing off you is my domain.
In any case, stupid or not, GD found it interesting enough to post in. Its his bussines.
Deep Freeze wrote:
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!! GD just posted in that STUPID thread!!! And we were doing SO well, too!! NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!! GD just posted in that STUPID thread!!! And we were doing SO well, too!! NNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok... I will try to remember that. Which means ill probably forget it. In any case, I had a feeling that you are not entirely serious about it. But the "council of elders" was an idea that I thought was too good not to use on an... well... elder.
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! facetious (adj) : joking or speaking in jest
_strat_ wrote:
Fecetiwhatious?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Council of Elders??!??!? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! Oh strat, of course I was being facetious! Relax! I just knew you would get riled up over that!! HHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
Head banger wrote:
well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
Head banger wrote:
thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
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_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
No problem. As I said, what are friends for? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:37:45 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
*ugh* Thanks, strat. I needed that.
_strat_ wrote:
Tell me about it. Im almost swimming in my own snot.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quite all right, my good man! Afterall, it is the cold and flu season! HAHAHAAA!!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Good day to u too sir....soz for the 'snot' comment...lol
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls. I see we have had a quiet evening and a VERY quiet morning! Good to see Necro back with us! Not sure I know what to say about the lovely mental image he offered regarding mucus...!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah well.
Took a look at that stupid Thread again and noticed TWELVE posts in it now. Of course, three of those are from the same person (nice going, 'Child) but I see that FIVE of our regulars have fallen into the trap that was set. Five. Unbelieveable. I just cannot understand why any thinking, rational member of this Board would assist in perpetuating moronic arguments. I had really thought so much higher of our group.
You see, by posting in that Thread, you continue its longevity. It remains and the creator continues to enjoy his act of stupidity. Meanwhile, new members join, see that we are actually responding to this nitwit, and a whole discussion on Rob leaving and Tim Owens being better ensues. I cannot be the only person here that sees this pattern. I cannot be the only person here that gets that.
Far be it from me to portray myself as the "Post Police", but if we are ever going to rid ourselves of vermin that get their jollies out of committing stupidity, we are going to have to IGNORE their freakin STUPID threads! It is just that simple. I refuse to believe that NO ONE else on this Board understands that.
Council of Elders??!??!? BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!! Oh strat, of course I was being facetious! Relax! I just knew you would get riled up over that!! HHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
Head banger wrote:
well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
Head banger wrote:
thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Tell me about it. Im almost swimming in my own snot. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:24:15 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quite all right, my good man! Afterall, it is the cold and flu season! HAHAHAAA!!!!
Necroticist wrote:
Good day to u too sir....soz for the 'snot' comment...lol
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls. I see we have had a quiet evening and a VERY quiet morning! Good to see Necro back with us! Not sure I know what to say about the lovely mental image he offered regarding mucus...!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah well.
Took a look at that stupid Thread again and noticed TWELVE posts in it now. Of course, three of those are from the same person (nice going, 'Child) but I see that FIVE of our regulars have fallen into the trap that was set. Five. Unbelieveable. I just cannot understand why any thinking, rational member of this Board would assist in perpetuating moronic arguments. I had really thought so much higher of our group.
You see, by posting in that Thread, you continue its longevity. It remains and the creator continues to enjoy his act of stupidity. Meanwhile, new members join, see that we are actually responding to this nitwit, and a whole discussion on Rob leaving and Tim Owens being better ensues. I cannot be the only person here that sees this pattern. I cannot be the only person here that gets that.
Far be it from me to portray myself as the "Post Police", but if we are ever going to rid ourselves of vermin that get their jollies out of committing stupidity, we are going to have to IGNORE their freakin STUPID threads! It is just that simple. I refuse to believe that NO ONE else on this Board understands that.
Perhaps that is the business of the afore mentioned population, and not of the council of elders?
That and, you dont seriously expect people to stay in school till 35? 23 or 24, ok, but by 35 people are expected to have at least ten years of work behind them. Its not like Im saying that people are supposed to have a job and a family at 15. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:26:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps the aforementioned section of the "active population" would be far better off staying in school and getting a good education rather than making babies?
_strat_ wrote:
Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families.
Head banger wrote:
well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
Head banger wrote:
thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Well, weve been through that, and Im still against it. Even as it is, the common citizens arent involved in the politics enough. Raising the age even further will make less people involved it, and whats worse it would take away the political power from a very threatened part of the active population that is seeking their first jobs and starting their families. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 05, 2008 4:55:42 PM)
Head banger wrote:
well, in their defense they get bombed a lot too. finding the inital comon direction would be a good start. I like the idea DF had of voting age of 35.
_strat_ wrote:
Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours.
Head banger wrote:
thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Well, if you have so many individuals with the right to vote, theres bound to be some who will want to go one way, and some who will want to go the other. And after you get somewhere, some will want to go back again or somewhere else. Though it must be understood that some directions are clear to everyone. Take Israel. Interior politics have never bothered them when it came to bombing the shit out of their neighbours. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, December 05, 2008 11:36:44 AM)
Head banger wrote:
thats right.
and your right about italy, in 59 years they have had 58 elections. thats a lot. Isreal is worse. hard to make progress in any direction if you keep changing drivers. Perfect would be eliminating a few parties, but that wouldnt be democratic, would it?>
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Amazingly enough, I am not reading it to find anything "new". I like Prof. Stenger's approach. He is a physicist and uses phyisics in his arguments. He discusses the fact that the universe is really what one would expect it to be after a "big bang" and people and the earth are just as we should expect , etc. Not so much arguing faith and religion as the scientific aspects, which I find refreshing.
In all honesty, the last thing I want around here is another religious debate!!!
(Quoting Message by _strat_ from Friday, December 05, 2008 8:09:30 AM)
_strat_ wrote:
A-HA!! So besides being a witch you are also an atheist! Lads, bring the cushions!
Seriously though, Ive been over and over the god argument with many people. For me its a fairy tale and thats the end of it. I will remember the title, but I guess that even if by some stroke of luck I find it, I wont learn anything really new.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man, strat! That is really disgusting!! HAHAHAHAAA!!!!! really though, you are a thought-provoking young lad! Always engaging. I am currently reading a book that may interest you. It is called, "God; The Failed Hypothesis. How science shows God does not exist." Ripping good stuff!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok. The verdict is as follows:
The defendants wife will be burned at a stake, while members of the inquisition will eat the defendant for dinner.
Yup. Theres nothing like a fair trial.
Deep Freeze wrote:
NOOOOO!!!! Not the "comfy chair"!!!!! I was under a spell! It was her, not me!!! EEEEEEEEEKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!
A-HA!! So besides being a witch you are also an atheist! Lads, bring the cushions!
Seriously though, Ive been over and over the god argument with many people. For me its a fairy tale and thats the end of it. I will remember the title, but I guess that even if by some stroke of luck I find it, I wont learn anything really new. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 05, 2008 8:04:51 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!! Oh man, strat! That is really disgusting!! HAHAHAHAAA!!!!! really though, you are a thought-provoking young lad! Always engaging. I am currently reading a book that may interest you. It is called, "God; The Failed Hypothesis. How science shows God does not exist." Ripping good stuff!
_strat_ wrote:
Ok. The verdict is as follows:
The defendants wife will be burned at a stake, while members of the inquisition will eat the defendant for dinner.
Yup. Theres nothing like a fair trial.
Deep Freeze wrote:
NOOOOO!!!! Not the "comfy chair"!!!!! I was under a spell! It was her, not me!!! EEEEEEEEEKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!
HOW DO YOU PLEAD, HERETIC?!?!?!?!??! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 05, 2008 7:52:40 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
That was no pig! That was my wife!! HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Oh, definatly. Screw the lawyers and juries, what we need is some good old fashioned witch burning...
So, defendand Deep Freeze, you are hereby accused of flying a pig to a witches Sabbath, where you fornicated with the devil. How do you plead?
Deep Freeze wrote:
I suppose. I should say that the church has always confounded me. Their teachings and actions seem to have been in direct contradiction for centuries. On the bright side, it did keep the troublemakers in line... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, yeah I guess you could say that Papa Joe pretty much runs things over there...
Deep Freeze wrote:
You mentioned Italy and it was the first thing that popped to mind! HA!!!!!!!!!!! We could always go to the Education Thread!! HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!
_strat_ wrote:
The last time we let that happen it was World War 2 and they promptly sold us to the Germans. So, no thank you.
Where did you get the Catholic Church reference anyway?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Could always have the Catholic Church running things........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Oh, definatly. Screw the lawyers and juries, what we need is some good old fashioned witch burning...
So, defendand Deep Freeze, you are hereby accused of flying a pig to a witches Sabbath, where you fornicated with the devil. How do you plead? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 05, 2008 7:47:30 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I suppose. I should say that the church has always confounded me. Their teachings and actions seem to have been in direct contradiction for centuries. On the bright side, it did keep the troublemakers in line... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Lol, yeah I guess you could say that Papa Joe pretty much runs things over there...
Deep Freeze wrote:
You mentioned Italy and it was the first thing that popped to mind! HA!!!!!!!!!!! We could always go to the Education Thread!! HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!
_strat_ wrote:
The last time we let that happen it was World War 2 and they promptly sold us to the Germans. So, no thank you.
Where did you get the Catholic Church reference anyway?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Could always have the Catholic Church running things........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
You mentioned Italy and it was the first thing that popped to mind! HA!!!!!!!!!!! We could always go to the Education Thread!! HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!
_strat_ wrote:
The last time we let that happen it was World War 2 and they promptly sold us to the Germans. So, no thank you.
Where did you get the Catholic Church reference anyway?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Could always have the Catholic Church running things........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Huh?? Wait a minute!! We're NOT??!?!?? FOUL!! FIX!! CHEAT!! I demand a re-count!!!!
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Youre just jealous cause Faithfull Defenders arent nominated, are you?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh, and as long as I am in this Thread I suppose I can gripe about what seems to be a new and disturbing trend! FRIGGIN GRAMMY Threads!!!! AARRRRGGHH!! We have two or three here already and the worst part is, THERE IS AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT ALREADY POSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't any of you people READ the "Latest News" right in the freaking front of the site????????????? OK, who wants to start bets on how many Threads we will have to endure about Priest getting a Grammy nomination?? And if the actually WIN.....God help us all!!!!!!!!!!
The last time we let that happen it was World War 2 and they promptly sold us to the Germans. So, no thank you.
Where did you get the Catholic Church reference anyway? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, December 05, 2008 7:35:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Could always have the Catholic Church running things........ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Head banger wrote:
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Oh, and as long as I am in this Thread I suppose I can gripe about what seems to be a new and disturbing trend! FRIGGIN GRAMMY Threads!!!! AARRRRGGHH!! We have two or three here already and the worst part is, THERE IS AN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT ALREADY POSTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't any of you people READ the "Latest News" right in the freaking front of the site????????????? OK, who wants to start bets on how many Threads we will have to endure about Priest getting a Grammy nomination?? And if the actually WIN.....God help us all!!!!!!!!!!
Aha, I see. Basicly you have the same principal as we do.
But in any case, it is actualy down to the number of MPs are for or against the proposed government, since they decide wheter they will vote for it in the parliament or no... Right?
But yeah, it is weird that the government is composed of parties that are against each other. I dont know much about the Canadian political situation, but those sort of governments usualy dont last long. In our case we had a government of left parties loose the confidence vote because there was a "Trojan horse" among them, i.e. a centre right party that left the government halfway through the term.
But I guess that both of us could be worse. In Italy since WW2, there was only one government that lasted an entire term, and that was Berlusconis. Or so Ive heard. But it wouldnt surprise me the least bit if it were true.
Strat, thats basicly how it works. we vote for an individual MP, and whoever has the most MP's in the house of comons forms the govt, with their leader as prime minister. Minority governments are still relativly new for us, as we have added a few political parties recently. We havent had a government lose a confidence vote and then a new party be asked to form the govt yet. its always been an option, but never excercized. the things in this one that are iritating, is that the liberal party leader has resigned, saying that its clear canadians dont want him as PM, and they are planing a leadership review in may, but this makes him pm. He also said that the new democratic party (the ones more liberal than liberal) were bad for canada, but this is a coalition with them. make sense? and the third party in this triad is the one that wants to break up the party.
and yes, they arent comunist, however they are a lot closer to socialism than I want
]
_strat_ wrote:
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? (Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Hey, if you really want it so much, ill be glad to do it! What are friends for?
Btw. Who is this asshole everyone is talking about anyway? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 9:28:59 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
No one ever PMs me with useless babble and cowardly threats!! MAN! That really PISSES me OFF!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, sticking the Hammer&Sickle to some liberals counts as B.S. with me... But that aside, I still have some questions (I hope youll forgive me... This was not on our news, so the only source of information is you and HB).
First of all, do you directly vote your PM (which I suppose stands for "prime minister")? With us its usualy the president of the party that gets the highest percentage on the elections that gets the mandate to form a government coalition. Its not unprecedented that a government gets a non-confidence vote from the parliament later on, and a new candidate gets the mandate to form a new government without an election, just through vote in the parliament. So, is it like that with you guys too? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:08:51 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Strat ... this is for you. To clear up a bit of the unprecedented political B.S. that's going on up here.
Even though I didn't vote for Harper and his PC's, it is the democratic principle of the whole thing that matters more. We just had an election, and the people spoke! He was elected and now, what the hell?
We now have the three loser parties banding together to overthrow our democratically elected government. There's the NDP (Ontario union/auto-workers...), there's the Liberals (headed by a French, least popular leader they have ever had, even within his own party!), and then the BQ - the Bloc Quebecois (who, as HB said, always threaten to take their greedy ways someplace else but never seem to grow the balls to actually leave -- but who are quite content to take equalization payments & money from the West provinces for their "have-not" french province...)
As far as I'm concerned, they would do us a big financial favour if they separated. Don't let the door hit their arrogant, lazy french asses on the way out... About the only thing Quebec gives us is some runny maple syrup and the occasional Olympic athlete. IMHO...
(Now, my attitude usually sits on the back-burner about this BQ thing... but this is an example of what these three goons have done by forming this ridiculous coalition. They are ripping the country apart and dividing it once and for all. No unity here!)
It is outrageous and presumptous of those three to think they have our best interests at heart by tearing the country apart. (Did you see them on the news, signing the Coalition Agreement? The word, vultures, came to mind... and it's exactly what they looked like too...)
My guess is this: they may have a sneaky suspicion the PC's won't 'stimulate' the auto-industry (specifically), and the NDP being what it is with unions, have probably been under all kinds of pressure from the CAW to get help. Bullshit. The NDP wrecked BC with all that, which is why they can't get back in there...
Yeah, well those three couldn't stimulate the economy with their dicks.
Does this mean we have an untimely eco-tax thing imposed by that idiot freakin' Dion!? This country is going to be destroyed by that snivelling twit. One NDP from Manitoba said, "We will be working separately, but together." Yeah, that's got success written all over it. I can see this is *so* NOT going going to go well...!!!
And, to forge an alliance with the Bloc!? Quebec, who wants to separate, but still get their "have-not" cheques from Alberta!? Holy hell, I'm so pissed by all of this.
And, they wonder why people don't care to vote!? Because it makes not one iota of a difference, that's freakin' why. It's putting Canada into a coup, nothing short of a third-world country or banana republic. Disgusting, and embarrassing.
Now, to put this into better perspective.... If this coalition govt. overthrows our elected Prime Minister, Alberta's representation in the House of Commons (like your senate in the US), we go from 28 seats to 1. Yes, ONE! The richest province in Canada, who pays all of Quebec's and Ontario's bills, gets nothing -- well, except more bills...
The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
If it does, they can't let it go.
There is a saying here in Canada, that "Alberta could live without Canada, but Canada could not live without Alberta".
There is talk of the West separating (again), as so many people have had enough. To fully understand this, you must know that Harper is a PM from the West. For the first time, we have a PM from our part of the country, but these three stooges can't stand it and just have to take over power from the West, for the East. So, we are divided. Quebec, the East, the West, Pro-Coalition, Pro-Democracy ... and Canada is angry. Usually, that only happens when they lose their beer or hockey games, but nobody has ever seen anything quite like this, and I wonder how easy it will be for people to control their passion at these rallies.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
HB, too bad you can't make it.... You're gonna miss some kind of fun. Watch the news... Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:18:34 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:22:38 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:23:23 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 10:25:49 AM
Just in time too. Almost 3 in the afternoon, so Im off home. See you in an hour or two, or maybe tomorow. Whatever. Cya. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:43:35 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!! I said that so you would know it is me!!!! MAN! You are lousy at comedy! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
A prepowhat? Sorry, English grammar was never my strong point. I usualy relied on reading comrehension to pass the tests.
Deep Freeze wrote:
..the thing with which you agree... Don't end you sentence with a preposition! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
Deep Freeze wrote:
At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:08:59 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:09:45 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:17:09 AM
A prepowhat? Sorry, English grammar was never my strong point. I usualy relied on reading comrehension to pass the tests. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:37:58 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
..the thing with which you agree... Don't end you sentence with a preposition! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
Deep Freeze wrote:
At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:08:59 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:09:45 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:17:09 AM
Hold on! It was you who wrote the thing I agree with! Are you sure you are the real Freeze? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:35:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You agree??!?!? Wait a minute!! Are you sure you are the real strat??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Well... Nothing to add here. I agree.
Respect, biotch!
Deep Freeze wrote:
At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:08:59 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:09:45 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:17:09 AM
its like the kid who threatens to run away from home if mom doesnt buy him a new CD. he doesnt want to go, even if the vote came down in their favour, what they want is more money and truth be told, they wouldnt realy separate, they would renegotiate the constitution, ask for money and special rights.
_strat_ wrote:
Yeah, but how can they leave Canada if the people dont want it?
Head banger wrote:
well, they have it figured out, threaten to leave and the govt tosses them cash to stay. its an industry now.
_strat_ wrote:
Beats me. Whats with this Quebec anyway? Ive heard that there were a couple referendums already, and always failed. Dont they know when to give up?
Head banger wrote:
Ha. these idiots are trying to install themselfs as a coalition, its a meeting of left wing, left/center, and the quebec party that wants to separate from canada. how can you have a coalition with a separatist party?
_strat_ wrote:
I take it you finaly got a decent government over there? How much does a plane ticket to Canada cost?
At last! We begin our next edition of Insomniac Theater. As previously requested by one of our classmates, this morning we shall discuss respect. While respect can take on several definitions, it is important that we first try to understand its origins. Imagine, if you will, a group of 'cavepeople' wandering the primordial earth, searching for food and shelter. A member that fell behind most certainly would die. Such a person, having no worth or value to the group, would not be respected and thus, we see that respect is a very primal, psychological need. It almost has an instinctual value about it. Of course, we live in an age where a person might certainly survive without due respect. A person that can play professional sports, for example, or has a lot of money through family may survive and yet not get the respect another may receive.
Although life itself may not depend on respect , there is still value in earning it. Sometimes, very important decisions are made on the basis of respect for another. Sincere respect , then, takes on a completely different value. Conversely, a false-respect can affect a decision towards another and show that lack in other ways.
We all want to be respected. We can sense when we are or are not respected. A person of great wealth usually expects a certain amount of respect, as does one of great power. Perhaps this is why they seek the wealth and power in the first place? For you see, with respect comes a sense of power. There is cooperation from others and , therefore, less of our own resources are expended. There are fewer conflicts. And , of course, we feel better about ourselves when we are shown respect. Evolution and practicality then are clearly reasons respect has importance to us.
As mentioned previously, respect is earned. At least most of the time. By taking into account the needs and feelings of others (respecting), and volunteering to be helpful, one earns their respect. Some people make the mistake that repsect can be demanded or forced but this tends to lead to a "false" respect as it is not sincere. This then begs the question, "how does one learn to respect others"?
I believe respect is a value that is taught from a young age. A baby has no concept of respect. They first learn dependancy. There is a need to teach respect to children so that it is a value with which they live, just as we teach them not to steal, use violence or lie. This teaching is accomplished by showing a child respect. By imparting upon the child the value of respect and the sense of what it means to him. A person with no respect for themself is simply unable to respect another.
We show respect by validating others. By understanding their feelings and being considerate. When we listen unconditionally and do not judge, we validate the speaker and , thereby, gain their respect. It is important that the person know we sincerely care about their feelings. Accomodating another for the sake of their feelings, we begin to earn their respect. In short, by showing respect we earn it in return. Remember, when a person feels repected, they most often tend to reciprocate that respect.
It is also important that we do not confuse respect with fear. A gang member carrying a gun will often complain that he was "disrespected". Since they have no respect for others, they cannot earn respect. Instead, they gain fear. They are feared for what they might do and confuse this with respect. Respect is voluntary, not coerced. Fear is poisonous while respect is nurturing. Fear is forced while respect is earned. Certainly there is an inverse relationship between fear and respect but it is generally understood that we learn to fear. Again, repsect is earned.It is incumbent upon parents to teach the consequences of lacking respect. Likewise, parents must respect their children in order to give that sense of being respected. People that do not feel respected while young tend to take things more personally as adults. They may make a big scene or act out in an overly emotional manner because they have repressed feelings of pain due to lack of respect. There is also a sense of very low self-esteem which causes people to act in an irrational, rude or violent manner as they have not learned to respect others. Additionally, a child that is given everything he wants, or has not been taught to earn things tends to have no respect for the value of work. There is a lack of realization when understanding consequence for action.
It is clearly important that we understand the value of true respect. By demonstrating this value when dealing with others, we will receive it in return. Respect, by and large, is valued above all other things and is sought out by most everyone. It gives us a sense of worth. A sense of ease and certainly one of power.
Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:08:59 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:09:45 AM Edited at: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:17:09 AM
Um... GD... Is there something you wanted to say? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Wednesday, December 03, 2008 6:47:40 PM)
guitardude wrote:
guidogodoy wrote:
Ahhh...the first kmac wars!
I seem to recall some right bastard calling themselves Evil Freeze as well. Screwed around with our weather all the time...
_strat_ wrote:
Agreed. And I must say that the imposters of old were a lot more original. Anyone still remember the fake Fatman Rick?
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not think it will ever cease to amaze me how one member can make an off-handed comment and our entire group goes into a state of semi-hysteria! Additionally, while I do not know who our imposter friend actually is, I can concur with his/her repeated posts; Murray is NOT closing the Board! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Come now, folks! We all know what rumors can do. Ye GODS!!!
How many of you remember the "Shut-Down Rumor of '05"?? Or the "Site will Close Rumor" of '06? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON!! Until Murray himself actually posts such a statement ON HIS WEBMASTER Thread, I can guarantee you there is NO one particular member with the power to close this site, REGARDLESS of their distaste for it or what we say on a daily basis!
Over the last few years, we have had complaints about non-Priest related conversation. We have had complaints about idiots that come here solely to cause trouble. We have had complaints about imposters. We have had complaints about stalkers. The list goes on and on. NONE of this has given Murray a reason to close the site. Why? Because this Board belongs to JUDAS PRIEST. It is a business vehicle in that they use it to keep fans updated on their shows, latest news, CDs, etc. It is part of doing business as a professional music group.
We have endured so much here and always come out stronger. We have had our fair share of morons and we even have members that disagree with others. Geee whiz! A difference of opinion!?!?! WOW!! I fear that is part of life, my friends. Deal with it. Let's place the panic button back in our drawer and enjoy the holidays! We have a whole new year ahead with MORE excellent Priest music to come! 2009 is going to ROCK!!!!!!
Edited at: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:14:19 AM
Edited at: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:05:19 PM Edited at: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:10:15 PM
Why, Superman came in a spaceship, starting all the alien conspiracy theories.
As for Jesus, I suppose he just took a walk across the Gulf of Mexico. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:10:26 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Jesus is a Mexican immigrant. Superman is from Krypton, I believe. Not sure which qualifies as "super". I suppose it would depend on how they got across the border??......
Judy Wallman, a professional genealogical researcher, discovered that Canadian Liberal Party leader Stéphane Dion’s great uncle, Robert Dion, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Quebec in 1889. The only known photograph of Dion shows him standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture is this inscription:
“Robert Dion; horse thief, sent to Quebec Provincial Prison 1883, escaped 1887, robbed the Canadian Pacific Railway six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted, and hanged in 1889.”
Judy e-mailed Stephen Dion for comments. Dion’s staff sent back the following biographical sketch:
“Robert Dion was a famous horseman in Quebec . His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Canadian Pacific Railroad. Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to service at a government facility, finally taking leave in 1887 to resume his dealings with the railroad. Subsequently, he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889, Dion passed away during an important civic function held in his honour, when the platform on which he was standing collapsed.”
Yeah, but how can they leave Canada if the people dont want it? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 03, 2008 12:22:02 PM)
Head banger wrote:
well, they have it figured out, threaten to leave and the govt tosses them cash to stay. its an industry now.
_strat_ wrote:
Beats me. Whats with this Quebec anyway? Ive heard that there were a couple referendums already, and always failed. Dont they know when to give up?
Head banger wrote:
Ha. these idiots are trying to install themselfs as a coalition, its a meeting of left wing, left/center, and the quebec party that wants to separate from canada. how can you have a coalition with a separatist party?
_strat_ wrote:
I take it you finaly got a decent government over there? How much does a plane ticket to Canada cost?
[_strat_] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:53:24 AM
Agreed. And I must say that the imposters of old were a lot more original. Anyone still remember the fake Fatman Rick? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:09:36 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I do not think it will ever cease to amaze me how one member can make an off-handed comment and our entire group goes into a state of semi-hysteria! Additionally, while I do not know who our imposter friend actually is, I can concur with his/her repeated posts; Murray is NOT closing the Board! HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Come now, folks! We all know what rumors can do. Ye GODS!!!
How many of you remember the "Shut-Down Rumor of '05"?? Or the "Site will Close Rumor" of '06? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! COME ON!! Until Murray himself actually posts such a statement ON HIS WEBMASTER Thread, I can guarantee you there is NO one particular member with the power to close this site, REGARDLESS of their distaste for it or what we say on a daily basis!
Over the last few years, we have had complaints about non-Priest related conversation. We have had complaints about idiots that come here solely to cause trouble. We have had complaints about imposters. We have had complaints about stalkers. The list goes on and on. NONE of this has given Murray a reason to close the site. Why? Because this Board belongs to JUDAS PRIEST. It is a business vehicle in that they use it to keep fans updated on their shows, latest news, CDs, etc. It is part of doing business as a professional music group.
We have endured so much here and always come out stronger. We have had our fair share of morons and we even have members that disagree with others. Geee whiz! A difference of opinion!?!?! WOW!! I fear that is part of life, my friends. Deal with it. Let's place the panic button back in our drawer and enjoy the holidays! We have a whole new year ahead with MORE excellent Priest music to come! 2009 is going to ROCK!!!!!!
Edited at: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:14:19 AM
[_strat_] Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:51:56 AM
Beats me. Whats with this Quebec anyway? Ive heard that there were a couple referendums already, and always failed. Dont they know when to give up? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:24:56 AM)
Head banger wrote:
Ha. these idiots are trying to install themselfs as a coalition, its a meeting of left wing, left/center, and the quebec party that wants to separate from canada. how can you have a coalition with a separatist party?
_strat_ wrote:
I take it you finaly got a decent government over there? How much does a plane ticket to Canada cost?
Putin is just about to get crowned as a new Russian Tsar. I dont think that Canada interests him that much. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:43:53 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
I believe Vladimir Putin wants to emigrate to Canada.
_strat_ wrote:
I take it you finaly got a decent government over there? How much does a plane ticket to Canada cost?
I take it you finaly got a decent government over there? How much does a plane ticket to Canada cost? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, December 03, 2008 7:26:22 AM)
Agreed. Thats what I came here for too. Priest fans. And even though I would be hard pressed to remember when was the last time I actualy talked about Priest on this site, I think all of us still at all times know whats it all about.
And even though my endless debates with DF on all sorts of things usualy dont have any connection to Priest, we are still both Priest fans.
I mean, even though this is a metal site, I think that pretty much all of us have other interests than Priest. Why shouldnt we discuss them? More important, if the site shuts down (although my impersonator repeatedly tells us that he has it all under control) what would I do when Im bored at work? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:16:07 PM)
Vaillant 3.0 wrote:
I'll throw in my two cents to the subject as a member of the other side of the age spectrum: young, stupid and still figuring out how the world works.
I know my posts tend to be nothing but sinful pics of the band, word games, chatting, "spur of the moment" stuff and what I'm listening to at the moment, but I still remember the main reason why I came here in the first place: the fact that none of my friends have heard, or are into, Judas Priest. I come here in order to be at home with the people who love Judas Priest as much as I do. Finding Judas Priest fans whom I could talk to face-to-face is pretty rare in my part of the world, so this site is a helpful tool in finding such fans. In other words, it would really kill me if the Noticeboard closes down. Where AmI, I'm pretty sure that your idea of having only threads containing messages from JP and to JP is how the Noticeboard first began, but it just grew into the complex, close-knit, chatty community that exists today. There just isn't enough Judas Priest fanatics out there, dang it!! This is the place where friendships begin and frequently stay, because our love for the band is what keeps us here, random talk and everything. Granted, I'm not the person who broke a bone or two during a Priest concert, but the need for Judas Priest in my life is alive and kicking. Heck, I listen to them everyday!!
Where AmI wrote:
I see your point and respect it: those are your choices to make as to how you contact friends. Everybody has their own preferences though I fail to see how this website is any more personal than the cellphone texting, email and instant messaging and I also fail to see how a different jp.com would change what you have going on with your friends and your lifestyle. I understand you and at the same time I don't get it.
I would assume that people don't adapt themselves to my preferences, so I don't expect them to. I really do think that many times this place is just talking to increase post count, and that is all. Unfortunately it seems a respect issue is directly related to how many worthless posts someone has under their belt too.
My deal is:
In November Judas Priest toured South America. How many south american heavy metal solid fans have decided to say hello here? Few, and how many really attended the concerts? Bunches. Where are the photos? The reviews? The active engagement of Judas Priest members here. KK Downing at least is making an effort but he is only one-fifth of JP and he's got his own website that he controls better. The other one is Rob Halford. Same thing. They don't seem to take the internet as their prime means to connect to people. They use it but it's by no means the only way. Thankfully, in that respect they're somewhat normal.
I really appreciated some feedback from Rob Halford a few months ago here. It felt for a moment like a good effort to please computer addicted morons like me.
My point is, though you are a very agreeable, thankfully intelligent and witty individual to whom is a pleasure to reply and whose posts I enjoy reading, guido, I still come here for news, photos, artwork by fans and overall fandom stuff and not to read through loads of small petty talk, nude pics of women, rude posts and such that the ignore button doesn't seem to keep me from reading through. I really don't like to feel an outsider to someone's conversations in a public forum where it's supposed to be for all.
If only Messages From Jp and Messages to Jp were the only features available, I think there would be a clearer ideal behind this place, and the overall personality disorders that shine through like a beacon in the night around here (guilty) would not be so visible. The personal messaging in the website allows you to contact your friends in prety much the same way you are doing now publicly. It simply avoids everybody who isn't interested to read it too.
As you can see, popularity isn't my main concern I can't stop from speaking my mind. Edited at: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 7:10:37 PM
Glad you saw it. In any case, for anyone else, I hope you will notice that my impersonator doesnt have nearly enough posts to pose as me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:33:46 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well FIRST: that is NOT strat! (Not OUR strat)
Second: I was in a state of sheer and utter despair and cannot be held accountable for my spelling faux pas!
Third: GO FEED YOUR BIRD!!!
HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:25:59 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Haa! Good edit. You would now have owed Strat a kidney had you not fixed it!
Deep Freeze wrote:
There are so many, my dear. So many.
Umm, guido. Go feed your bird..... HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Okay, Freeze...
Get up off your knees! Considering your fragile condition (cadaver bone fusions and all...) it's going to be nothing less than painful and awkward, if not impossible, getting back up to standing! Can you even move? (Omg, what have you done!?)
Rest easy, my friend... I have been avoiding it, just because there is nothing I can say that will come close to expressing what a loser I think the guy is. Well, not without offending you with profuse profanity! lol... Has he nothing better to do? Poor fellow. I am glad, however, that some people gave him a run for his money. But, you're right. It should die it's inevitable death.
Just what the world needs... another idiot.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You know, this may not be the proper Thread in which to make this comment but I have to say something!!!!
To ALL of you that have or continue to post in the moronic, idiotic, ridiculous, inane, stupid, unworthy, assinine, dumb, mindless, foolish and wasteful Thread regarding Rob Halford being a "thief", PLEASE, PLEASE , PLEASE just STOP! Do not de-value yourselves and lend credence to this waste of human flesh!!! I am BEGGING you! Literally, on my feeble and very painful knees, begging you to STOP!! Let him and his attempt at gaining attention die the horrible death it so richly deserves!!!!!!!!
Thank you. Edited at: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 11:52:36 AM
How about you take your impersonating ass out of here? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by stratlover from Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:17:41 PM)
stratlover wrote:
O.K. young man, I will discuss the "Rob Issue" with the webmaster as soon as I can get to it! I will do my best to have that unworthy idiot removed! But for now lets just all calm down and move on with business as usual. (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, December 02, 2008 12:04:34 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Perhaps you can "get with him" again and have that idiot removed that claims Rob is a "thief"?
stratlover wrote:
ok people....enough of the noticeboard is closing drama....the board is not being shut down... I'VE BEEN IN CLOSE CONTACT WITH THE CHIEF WEBMASTER
WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THE SITUATION!!!
WE HAVE COME TO THE AGREEMENT
THATTHE NOTICEBOARD IS NOT CLOSING!!!
I REPEAT !!!
THE NOTICBOARD IS NOT CLOSING!!!
thanks for your attention!!!
So... How many drinks did you have? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by MatisseGroening from Tuesday, December 02, 2008 5:45:07 AM)
MatisseGroening wrote:
Hello,
So 'do you believe' was used, and was mine. Nostradamus was used and was an explaination for my ability to speak using Remote Viewing. And on my CD it should have started with 'creation'. That 's the main point here. He just stole it.
The point leading to the Nostradmus double CD was that I have the old videos and recorded them on DVD now. And I noticed that the songs of Turbo weren't that good in my opinion. It wasn't because of the synth-guitars. So I came to Remote View with Rob Halford and did'nt wanted him to think he was hearing voices (-> Nostradamus). The thank you was to steal everything and to just use me for his purpose.
The CD is constructed, so this means he actually is not talented enough to do it better than Turbo. And the double CD was in this sense not because of challenge and talent, it was because of arrogance!
It was a friendly suggestion and he showed his lousy charakter! And they give respect points here.
A picture says a thousand words. And judging by how many pics are there, Id say that there is some heavy debating going on in the thong thread. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Monday, December 01, 2008 8:29:22 PM)
devils_child wrote:
You actually discuss in the thong thread?.... All i see is pictures. LOL. I thought that thread had gone beyond words.
Head banger wrote:
perhaps this is a discussion for the thong thread?
_strat_ wrote:
Google said that I probably meant Leila Barros.
Not bad, though. Not bad at all.
Deep Freeze wrote:
I take it you have never seen Lelia Barros?
_strat_ wrote:
Now youve lost me.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, I suppose if it were the Brazilian Volleyball team............ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I take it that isnt as good as dating every chick on the volleyball team, right?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE!! You will be dating EVERY chick on the Debate Team!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Stop it, Im telling!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and btw. a quick lesson in high school mathematics: 1 star student = 1 geek.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!! I thought you were my star geek...Umm..I mean PUPIL!?!?!?!?!!
_strat_ wrote:
I didnt even know we had a Principal. Or do we? Can I be the principal? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase?
guidogodoy wrote:
Nope, it was some fool who got sent to the Principal's office in the Education thread! LOL!!!
(btw, I actually DID play the French Horn at school. Third chair out of three and content to be there!)
devils_child wrote:
I keep saying he needs to ditch the long coat he has, Just come out on stage.... with chaps, no way he needs to change that aspect, although all leather pants are still hot. Just Vest, nothing underneath... show off what he's got. 1: You don't get tattoos just to go and cover them up. 2. He'd be giving (me at least) what i wanted too see... shaven or not he's got a sexy chest..... His performance is just as much vocal is it is visual.... and I'm a very visual person..... Me likes to have a look!
I am proud to be creator of yet another useless thread, But I did so under the heavy influence of alcohol and the suggestion of our fellow board member Freeze..... LOL.... just kidding, he tried to stop me but i was feeling rather spur of the moment....... I just couldn't help it. Someone else came up with name... might have been you Strat?... I forget..
paperflowers wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob's chest hair a little more often - he seems self-conscious about his appearance nowadays.
For the record...1) I think he waxes and 2) I have a cello.
Well, ok, whatever. You mind the stupid threads, not me. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 1:45:48 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my! I did not think about that. OK, NO THREADS of ANY kind regarding this music!!!!! How's that?
_strat_ wrote:
No, I mean really, if DC happens to be drunk when she reads this, you can bet that she will make it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Damit, Freeze... We get it, you dont like stupid threads. So why the fuck are you giving us so many ideas?!?!?!?!
Deep Freeze wrote:
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!! One of my favorites! I don't know MM, I think it sounds great!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just who IS that vocalist????? HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
Come on, gang!! Take a listen and give your opinion!!!!!!!!!! ( And PLEASE, absolutely NOFreeze vs. Ripper Threads!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!) Edited at: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:36:18 AM
No, I mean really, if DC happens to be drunk when she reads this, you can bet that she will make it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 1:04:23 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Damit, Freeze... We get it, you dont like stupid threads. So why the fuck are you giving us so many ideas?!?!?!?!
Deep Freeze wrote:
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!! One of my favorites! I don't know MM, I think it sounds great!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just who IS that vocalist????? HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
Come on, gang!! Take a listen and give your opinion!!!!!!!!!! ( And PLEASE, absolutely NOFreeze vs. Ripper Threads!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!) Edited at: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:36:18 AM
Cool, right now Im about halfway through Poes "Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym of Nantucket". Great book. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by soul stealer from Monday, December 01, 2008 1:07:56 PM)
soul stealer wrote:
i am currently reading the biography of edgar allen poe
Damit, Freeze... We get it, you dont like stupid threads. So why the fuck are you giving us so many ideas?!?!?!?! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 11:28:21 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!! One of my favorites! I don't know MM, I think it sounds great!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just who IS that vocalist????? HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!
Come on, gang!! Take a listen and give your opinion!!!!!!!!!! ( And PLEASE, absolutely NOFreeze vs. Ripper Threads!! HAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!!!) Edited at: Monday, December 01, 2008 11:36:18 AM
That depends on the outward appearance of the student in question. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by paperflowers from Monday, December 01, 2008 11:04:46 AM)
paperflowers wrote:
And if we have a principal...does that mean there will be corporal punishment for misbehavior???
_strat_ wrote:
I didnt even know we had a Principal. Or do we? Can I be the principal? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase?
guidogodoy wrote:
Nope, it was some fool who got sent to the Principal's office in the Education thread! LOL!!!
(btw, I actually DID play the French Horn at school. Third chair out of three and content to be there!)
devils_child wrote:
I keep saying he needs to ditch the long coat he has, Just come out on stage.... with chaps, no way he needs to change that aspect, although all leather pants are still hot. Just Vest, nothing underneath... show off what he's got. 1: You don't get tattoos just to go and cover them up. 2. He'd be giving (me at least) what i wanted too see... shaven or not he's got a sexy chest..... His performance is just as much vocal is it is visual.... and I'm a very visual person..... Me likes to have a look!
I am proud to be creator of yet another useless thread, But I did so under the heavy influence of alcohol and the suggestion of our fellow board member Freeze..... LOL.... just kidding, he tried to stop me but i was feeling rather spur of the moment....... I just couldn't help it. Someone else came up with name... might have been you Strat?... I forget..
paperflowers wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob's chest hair a little more often - he seems self-conscious about his appearance nowadays.
For the record...1) I think he waxes and 2) I have a cello.
IDK, maybe we should raise the required number of respect points? The rate at which these assoles appear is unbelievable. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:56:51 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
What an utterly disgusting and moronic comment. Have another drink, Quigley. You have been reported as Offensive. Been "nice" knowing you.
(My personal apologies to Murray!) Edited at: Monday, December 01, 2008 10:08:41 AM
Well, why dont we just do it the way we always do. You come up with something, and ill be there to disagree. OK? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:48:07 AM)
Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair.
Well, I suppose if it were the Brazilian Volleyball team............ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I take it that isnt as good as dating every chick on the volleyball team, right?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE!! You will be dating EVERY chick on the Debate Team!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Stop it, Im telling!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and btw. a quick lesson in high school mathematics: 1 star student = 1 geek.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!! I thought you were my star geek...Umm..I mean PUPIL!?!?!?!?!!
_strat_ wrote:
I didnt even know we had a Principal. Or do we? Can I be the principal? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase?
guidogodoy wrote:
Nope, it was some fool who got sent to the Principal's office in the Education thread! LOL!!!
(btw, I actually DID play the French Horn at school. Third chair out of three and content to be there!)
devils_child wrote:
I keep saying he needs to ditch the long coat he has, Just come out on stage.... with chaps, no way he needs to change that aspect, although all leather pants are still hot. Just Vest, nothing underneath... show off what he's got. 1: You don't get tattoos just to go and cover them up. 2. He'd be giving (me at least) what i wanted too see... shaven or not he's got a sexy chest..... His performance is just as much vocal is it is visual.... and I'm a very visual person..... Me likes to have a look!
I am proud to be creator of yet another useless thread, But I did so under the heavy influence of alcohol and the suggestion of our fellow board member Freeze..... LOL.... just kidding, he tried to stop me but i was feeling rather spur of the moment....... I just couldn't help it. Someone else came up with name... might have been you Strat?... I forget..
paperflowers wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob's chest hair a little more often - he seems self-conscious about his appearance nowadays.
For the record...1) I think he waxes and 2) I have a cello.
Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair.
Well, I suppose if it were the Brazilian Volleyball team............ HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
I take it that isnt as good as dating every chick on the volleyball team, right?
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE!! You will be dating EVERY chick on the Debate Team!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Stop it, Im telling!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and btw. a quick lesson in high school mathematics: 1 star student = 1 geek.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!! I thought you were my star geek...Umm..I mean PUPIL!?!?!?!?!!
_strat_ wrote:
I didnt even know we had a Principal. Or do we? Can I be the principal? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase?
guidogodoy wrote:
Nope, it was some fool who got sent to the Principal's office in the Education thread! LOL!!!
(btw, I actually DID play the French Horn at school. Third chair out of three and content to be there!)
devils_child wrote:
I keep saying he needs to ditch the long coat he has, Just come out on stage.... with chaps, no way he needs to change that aspect, although all leather pants are still hot. Just Vest, nothing underneath... show off what he's got. 1: You don't get tattoos just to go and cover them up. 2. He'd be giving (me at least) what i wanted too see... shaven or not he's got a sexy chest..... His performance is just as much vocal is it is visual.... and I'm a very visual person..... Me likes to have a look!
I am proud to be creator of yet another useless thread, But I did so under the heavy influence of alcohol and the suggestion of our fellow board member Freeze..... LOL.... just kidding, he tried to stop me but i was feeling rather spur of the moment....... I just couldn't help it. Someone else came up with name... might have been you Strat?... I forget..
paperflowers wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob's chest hair a little more often - he seems self-conscious about his appearance nowadays.
For the record...1) I think he waxes and 2) I have a cello.
Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair.
I take it that isnt as good as dating every chick on the volleyball team, right? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:38:35 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! DUDE!! You will be dating EVERY chick on the Debate Team!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
_strat_ wrote:
Stop it, Im telling!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and btw. a quick lesson in high school mathematics: 1 star student = 1 geek.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!! I thought you were my star geek...Umm..I mean PUPIL!?!?!?!?!!
_strat_ wrote:
I didnt even know we had a Principal. Or do we? Can I be the principal? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase?
guidogodoy wrote:
Nope, it was some fool who got sent to the Principal's office in the Education thread! LOL!!!
(btw, I actually DID play the French Horn at school. Third chair out of three and content to be there!)
devils_child wrote:
I keep saying he needs to ditch the long coat he has, Just come out on stage.... with chaps, no way he needs to change that aspect, although all leather pants are still hot. Just Vest, nothing underneath... show off what he's got. 1: You don't get tattoos just to go and cover them up. 2. He'd be giving (me at least) what i wanted too see... shaven or not he's got a sexy chest..... His performance is just as much vocal is it is visual.... and I'm a very visual person..... Me likes to have a look!
I am proud to be creator of yet another useless thread, But I did so under the heavy influence of alcohol and the suggestion of our fellow board member Freeze..... LOL.... just kidding, he tried to stop me but i was feeling rather spur of the moment....... I just couldn't help it. Someone else came up with name... might have been you Strat?... I forget..
paperflowers wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob's chest hair a little more often - he seems self-conscious about his appearance nowadays.
For the record...1) I think he waxes and 2) I have a cello.
Ok, since we milked profanity dry, are there any suggestions for the topic of the next class? Personaly, Im up for anything except French horns and Robs chest hair.
Oh, and btw. a quick lesson in high school mathematics: 1 star student = 1 geek. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, December 01, 2008 9:31:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!! I thought you were my star geek...Umm..I mean PUPIL!?!?!?!?!!
_strat_ wrote:
I didnt even know we had a Principal. Or do we? Can I be the principal? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaase?
guidogodoy wrote:
Nope, it was some fool who got sent to the Principal's office in the Education thread! LOL!!!
(btw, I actually DID play the French Horn at school. Third chair out of three and content to be there!)
devils_child wrote:
I keep saying he needs to ditch the long coat he has, Just come out on stage.... with chaps, no way he needs to change that aspect, although all leather pants are still hot. Just Vest, nothing underneath... show off what he's got. 1: You don't get tattoos just to go and cover them up. 2. He'd be giving (me at least) what i wanted too see... shaven or not he's got a sexy chest..... His performance is just as much vocal is it is visual.... and I'm a very visual person..... Me likes to have a look!
I am proud to be creator of yet another useless thread, But I did so under the heavy influence of alcohol and the suggestion of our fellow board member Freeze..... LOL.... just kidding, he tried to stop me but i was feeling rather spur of the moment....... I just couldn't help it. Someone else came up with name... might have been you Strat?... I forget..
paperflowers wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob's chest hair a little more often - he seems self-conscious about his appearance nowadays.
For the record...1) I think he waxes and 2) I have a cello.
Nope, it was some fool who got sent to the Principal's office in the Education thread! LOL!!!
(btw, I actually DID play the French Horn at school. Third chair out of three and content to be there!)
devils_child wrote:
I keep saying he needs to ditch the long coat he has, Just come out on stage.... with chaps, no way he needs to change that aspect, although all leather pants are still hot. Just Vest, nothing underneath... show off what he's got. 1: You don't get tattoos just to go and cover them up. 2. He'd be giving (me at least) what i wanted too see... shaven or not he's got a sexy chest..... His performance is just as much vocal is it is visual.... and I'm a very visual person..... Me likes to have a look!
I am proud to be creator of yet another useless thread, But I did so under the heavy influence of alcohol and the suggestion of our fellow board member Freeze..... LOL.... just kidding, he tried to stop me but i was feeling rather spur of the moment....... I just couldn't help it. Someone else came up with name... might have been you Strat?... I forget..
paperflowers wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob's chest hair a little more often - he seems self-conscious about his appearance nowadays.
For the record...1) I think he waxes and 2) I have a cello.
Useless? Stupid! There is a world of difference between the two!
Oh, and it wasnt me who came up with the name, nor do I know who was it... But its still a good one, no matter who thought of it:) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Monday, December 01, 2008 4:00:10 AM)
devils_child wrote:
I keep saying he needs to ditch the long coat he has, Just come out on stage.... with chaps, no way he needs to change that aspect, although all leather pants are still hot. Just Vest, nothing underneath... show off what he's got. 1: You don't get tattoos just to go and cover them up. 2. He'd be giving (me at least) what i wanted too see... shaven or not he's got a sexy chest..... His performance is just as much vocal is it is visual.... and I'm a very visual person..... Me likes to have a look!
I am proud to be creator of yet another useless thread, But I did so under the heavy influence of alcohol and the suggestion of our fellow board member Freeze..... LOL.... just kidding, he tried to stop me but i was feeling rather spur of the moment....... I just couldn't help it. Someone else came up with name... might have been you Strat?... I forget..
paperflowers wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Rob's chest hair a little more often - he seems self-conscious about his appearance nowadays.
For the record...1) I think he waxes and 2) I have a cello.
I hereby welcome you to the STCC - Stupid Threads Creators Club, and congratulate you on your first work. We have no rules, no secret passwords, only a common desire to piss off Profesor Freeze.
Yes!!!! Rob shaves his chest hair......... and Yes I love French horn....... are the two related??....... you better believe it!!!! hahaha........ lesson here is don't post when you've been drinking all day..... fell free to shoot me down people.
Thank you very much. Now everyone will say Im a geek. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, November 30, 2008 11:43:17 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You most certainly are passing! In fact, you are my STAR pupil!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How's THAT grab you????????
_strat_ wrote:
Well, of course, if someone wears a leather jacket that means that he/she is not exactly a PETA supporter. It does tell something. And swearing tells that the person does not have a problem with swearing. Anything else is more or less just assuming, and is something that should be imo avoided.
So, for this and the previous posts, what do my grades look like? Did I pass?
Deep Freeze wrote:
I think that you have all hit upon something important. It has a lot to do with culture. Different parts of the world have different ideas as to what is profane and what is not. Guido is quite right in that the English "prudes" have really impacted our language. The fact remains, what may be "profane" or "obscene" to one may not be so to another.
I cannot really agree with strat's logic regarding "judging" people by their speech just as you would the clothes they wear. I mean, I always try to take into account the person with whom I am speaking. I will say this, HOW a person dresses does say something about them. No doubt about it. For instance, I would never even consider wearing my pants so low that my underwear show! Nor would I wear a shirt with a curse word printed on it, for example. To me, it would not be dignified for a person of my age to do such a thing. THERE is a word; dignity. I believe that I will consider the topic of dignity in our next discussion.
What a terrible and sexist remark! Of course the other parts are of value too! Like boobs or ass... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:55:22 AM)
Head banger wrote:
I think the C bomb is to imply that the only part of that person of value is well, that part. a friend of mine compares it to calling a guy a paycheque.
devils_child wrote:
Are there any Germans here?.... where's Udo when you need him?.... I have heard that Germans are pretty open with the whole sex / nudity thing. What is it like within the language?.... I want to know what is deemed offensive in terms of language... Here in Australia general curse words that are pretty much accepted are like the "F-Bomb" haha and "shit". Most offensive I think is the "C-Bomb" and I'm not referring to 'crap'. I think it varies from person to person however. I tell you now, I don't mind the "C-Bomb" but say the word "slut" in my presence and I will give you an ear full....... Words that imply certain things about a person insult me and that being one of those words which applies only to women drives me insane.... It's disrespectful laguage at it's most offensive to me.
As Freeze and a few others have mentioned it has alot to do with the people you are associating with in conversation, I would certainly not use profane language in front of my grandparents, at work or around young children. Yes let's talk about decency..... Hahaha...
Well, of course, if someone wears a leather jacket that means that he/she is not exactly a PETA supporter. It does tell something. And swearing tells that the person does not have a problem with swearing. Anything else is more or less just assuming, and is something that should be imo avoided.
So, for this and the previous posts, what do my grades look like? Did I pass? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:50:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I think that you have all hit upon something important. It has a lot to do with culture. Different parts of the world have different ideas as to what is profane and what is not. Guido is quite right in that the English "prudes" have really impacted our language. The fact remains, what may be "profane" or "obscene" to one may not be so to another.
I cannot really agree with strat's logic regarding "judging" people by their speech just as you would the clothes they wear. I mean, I always try to take into account the person with whom I am speaking. I will say this, HOW a person dresses does say something about them. No doubt about it. For instance, I would never even consider wearing my pants so low that my underwear show! Nor would I wear a shirt with a curse word printed on it, for example. To me, it would not be dignified for a person of my age to do such a thing. THERE is a word; dignity. I believe that I will consider the topic of dignity in our next discussion.
Well, more languages... Aside from English, which is a world language, and Slovenian which is my native one, I speak only Serbo-Croat. So, I can say that it holds pretty much true in Slovenian and Serbo-Croat as well as in English. Though I must say that Serbo-Croat has the best swear words. We have taken most of them for our own, infact. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:42:12 PM)
Head banger wrote:
so, strat, since you speak a more languages that me, does that hold true everywhere? French, the big swears are religious in nature.
_strat_ wrote:
Ok, Im rewriting this message, because the language filter wouldnt let through my uncensored version (go figure..). So here is my censored version (thanks a lot, Murray. It took me 20 mins to write the uncensored one):
Ok, Ive read this a couple of times, and I think I finaly get what you meant.
While I agree that there is need to "tailor" your language to the audience to make sure that they understand it, I think its quite another to tailor the language to make sure that the audience is not offended by certain words that are deemed "socaily unacceptable".
Practicly ever form of trade, proffesion, education... etc. has its own special expressions that are largely unknown outside of it. If the issue is to tell them in "laymans terms", that is one thing. But we all understand the basic swear words. Again, I dont see any need to omit swearing from ones language.
I mean, swear words are what? References to stuff that is or was a taboo. Sexuality, most obviously. Which is a perfectly normal and common thing. But still, most common expressions for sexual organs or sex are deemed more or less offensive. Or other things, like "shit". Whats more normal than that?
Thats why I dont like it when people get so upset over swearing. Its just words that mostly refer to prefectly normal things. Words wont hurt anyone. They wont kill anyone. They wont make drug addicts out of us. Thats basicly what "obscenity" is all about. Making a fuss about nothing. And thats why I dont have any problem whatesoever with swearing.
Or if we talk about what do we tell about ourselves with the language we use. Well, here it is. I dont mind swearing. Does that alone make me a thug? Hardly. If other people take it that way, well, all I can say is its their problem. Judging others by the language that they use is imo same as judging people by the clothes they wear or music that they listen to. Its really much more complicated than that.
Now... I may have strayed from the discussion a bit, but here is my point, as good as it gets.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, Im rewriting this message, because the language filter wouldnt let through my uncensored version (go figure..). So here is my censored version (thanks a lot, Murray. It took me 20 mins to write the uncensored one):
Ok, Ive read this a couple of times, and I think I finaly get what you meant.
While I agree that there is need to "tailor" your language to the audience to make sure that they understand it, I think its quite another to tailor the language to make sure that the audience is not offended by certain words that are deemed "socaily unacceptable".
Practicly ever form of trade, proffesion, education... etc. has its own special expressions that are largely unknown outside of it. If the issue is to tell them in "laymans terms", that is one thing. But we all understand the basic swear words. Again, I dont see any need to omit swearing from ones language.
I mean, swear words are what? References to stuff that is or was a taboo. Sexuality, most obviously. Which is a perfectly normal and common thing. But still, most common expressions for sexual organs or sex are deemed more or less offensive. Or other things, like "shit". Whats more normal than that?
Thats why I dont like it when people get so upset over swearing. Its just words that mostly refer to prefectly normal things. Words wont hurt anyone. They wont kill anyone. They wont make drug addicts out of us. Thats basicly what "obscenity" is all about. Making a fuss about nothing. And thats why I dont have any problem whatesoever with swearing.
Or if we talk about what do we tell about ourselves with the language we use. Well, here it is. I dont mind swearing. Does that alone make me a thug? Hardly. If other people take it that way, well, all I can say is its their problem. Judging others by the language that they use is imo same as judging people by the clothes they wear or music that they listen to. Its really much more complicated than that.
Now... I may have strayed from the discussion a bit, but here is my point, as good as it gets. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:06:48 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Um... Nope, didnt get any of that. WTF is "verbose"? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:06:48 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls! Sometime around half past four here in Las Vegas and we are ready for our latest edition of Insomniac Theater! I see we have had considerable discussion regarding our last topic, profanity. Well done! As was expected, our rather verbose classmate strat has raised some challenging issues and we should address this in our own, special way. Please follow along and prepare to review;
Last time, we talked about profanity's effect on others as well as it's place, if any, in our language. After much discussion, I am compelled to address this debate thusly: Just what does the writer owe to the hypothetical reader? And what, in all good conscience, does a writer owe to himself? These questions concern not only the professional writer, but certainly the writer here among us as well as everyone that writes a letter, speaks to a group or attempts to teach an adolescent a life-lesson. The true purpose of language to to convey a message from writer to reader or from speaker to auditor. And the first requirement is a common language.
It is among the most enduring fascinations of speech that everyone, in some fashion, is a linguist. I know my daughter speaks fluent "computerese". I speak fairly good "finance". Doctors tend to be rather fluent in "medicine" and we all know people that speak "sports". In our daily lives, we tailor our communication to the audience. Most professional writers tend to communicate to their audience as if they are all high school graduates in their most perceptive moments. Some may write to a "higher" audience but, we must resist the temptation to "dumb down" our writing, lest we insult our reader. Afterall, we are not children here, are we? In any event, no one wishes to be spoken to in a condescending manner. Conversely, it is unwise to fire our bolts of wisdom over their heads! Of course, an occasional reference to something otherwise not considered "common knowledge" is a great way to inform the curious reader and should not be avoided.
I tend to believe that the manner in which we write or speak tells others a lot about who we are as a person. Not so much our social status or our worth as a human being. I should think that even the very best among the human race resort to an occasional "F"-bomb, as it were. When I mentioned earlier that I feel it cheapens the message, I was referring to the fact that there are certainly far better ways to express or emphasize a point than turning to an obscene word or two. As I also mentioned previously, I have employed a rather "randy" comment or ten in my lifetime. Again, the point is that I tailor my words to fit my audience. More importantly, I look to ensure that my message meets my standards of deceny. Hmm..perhaps deceny should be on our agenda for a future conversation? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok, a bit of a delay on the response. I had a bit of trouble finding the right post, because of the very amusing conversation you had with DC. And when I say amusing... I actually mean a little bit disturbing.
Well, I definatly have an image of people based on what they say. But the thing is that with you and with other members that Ive known for a long time, that image depends more on the content of what theyre saying, than on how they say it. The way people express themselves here is more of a first immpression thing. At least for me, anyway.
Now, about the immpression that others get from your language... That depends greatly from person to person. I would never consider someone who dosent swear to be more intelligent that someone who does, and Im sure that many people would agree with me on this one. Infact, for me people who wouldnt swear if their life depended on it are exactly the opposite of inteligent. IDK, maybe its just that I always had a bit of an alergy to people who are so sure that their shit doesnt stink, and who think that they are above such common things like swearing and dirty jokes. Not saying that I think youre one of them, of course. Its just that I think that much of this anti-swearing bullshit comes from exactly such people.
Oh, and to return the "little brother"... I imagine you as being one step away from those old guys that keep going on about how it was like "n their day". [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, November 28, 2008 8:23:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh strat! Will you and I ever find common ground? You are like a little brother that simply will NOT stop jabbing! HAHAHAHA!! (kidding, of course). I used the word "cheapen" more as an attempt to illustrate a point rather than actually define. Perhaps ours is simply a cultural difference, strat? I was raised to believe, and still do, that the language one uses and the vocabulary one employs tells others about them. It tells them how educated, dignified and intelligent you are and it allows another to more clearly understand your meaning. Certainly there are many on this Board that have a mental image of who I am based on what they read?
For me, language is far more than simply communicating. That does not mean it must be so for all. You and I have had differences on a variety of subjects and I always find that I come away from them with a bit more knowledge than that with which I came. I learn a bit more about you and, I hope, you do the same with regard to me. In all my 48 years of life, I have endeavored to learn. I hope that I never stop.
stratlover wrote:
Cheapening? Well, Im not such a great expert in English to judge that, but I will stay with my opinion - language for me is merely a mean for communication, nothing less, nothing more. And therefore, cheapening (or expesnifying, or whatever the fuck would the opposite of cheapening be) is imo completely irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is that the person youre talking to can understand you, and vice versa.
Oh, and you will have to remind me which outburst was that. Izs kinda hard for me to keep track of them all.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You are in no "trouble", my dear. Neither was strat when he jabbed me with his "outburst". All in good fun, I assure you! I think an intellectual discussion every now and again is a good idea. I am pleased to see there is interest!
The thing is, profanity is a part of our language. For better or worse. I have always considered it a form of cheapening the language which we speak, however, I am one of the few. The majority of people seem to believe it is a perfectly acceptable form of communication. Certainly it is to be expected on a "rock band's website", no? I am not the least bit surprised that it is quite popular here among our group. Does not mean that we are any less human. Nor does it mean one is less important or whatever. Nonesense.
I have used foul language. I do so even to this very day. I do NOT use it in front of my mother, grandmother, granchildren or strangers! To me, this is just not done. I also eschew profanity in a public forum, but that is simply because you just never know who may be reading what you write and I would be rather ashamed for certain people to read something like that from me. That is just how I feel. This is a public forum. I do not walk downtown, swearing in front of strangers and I will not do it in a public place. When I am with intimate friends, I might let one or two foul words slip, but that is rare.
I am not attempting to define righteousness through speech. What is "acceptable" to some may not be so to others and so, while in a public forum, I choose to use language that I believe is acceptable to all at all times.
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Hey there Strat... oh, he knows I'm a smart-ass!
Gosh, d'ya think I was hard on Freeze? No, no, no!
Well, shit. It certainly wasn't meant that way!
I really do wonder where swearing to loosen people up, falls into! I'm hoping Freeze understands it to be intellectual banter, is all...
Freeze... I have my pencil out, ready to take notes... eagerly waiting for our next class. Albeit with some trepidation now! Am I in trouble?
Nope, that wouldnt do. You see, we were all molested at birth, as we crawled out of our mothers private parts. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, November 28, 2008 12:26:38 PM)
Head banger wrote:
yup! next, breast feeding banned as millions of moms flash the infants. must wear panties to give birth???
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Idiotic parents. I have but two words for this; forced sterilization.
LOL!! Remember, little children, art is the first step to pornography addiction! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, November 28, 2008 11:55:37 AM)
Are you sure? I think it was the poo thread. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, November 28, 2008 8:16:55 AM)
Head banger wrote:
expensifying!! HA! DF, whats the word?
Strat, it was the fuck fuck fuckity fuck shit one
stratlover wrote:
Cheapening? Well, Im not such a great expert in English to judge that, but I will stay with my opinion - language for me is merely a mean for communication, nothing less, nothing more. And therefore, cheapening (or expesnifying, or whatever the fuck would the opposite of cheapening be) is imo completely irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is that the person youre talking to can understand you, and vice versa.
Oh, and you will have to remind me which outburst was that. Izs kinda hard for me to keep track of them all.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You are in no "trouble", my dear. Neither was strat when he jabbed me with his "outburst". All in good fun, I assure you! I think an intellectual discussion every now and again is a good idea. I am pleased to see there is interest!
The thing is, profanity is a part of our language. For better or worse. I have always considered it a form of cheapening the language which we speak, however, I am one of the few. The majority of people seem to believe it is a perfectly acceptable form of communication. Certainly it is to be expected on a "rock band's website", no? I am not the least bit surprised that it is quite popular here among our group. Does not mean that we are any less human. Nor does it mean one is less important or whatever. Nonesense.
I have used foul language. I do so even to this very day. I do NOT use it in front of my mother, grandmother, granchildren or strangers! To me, this is just not done. I also eschew profanity in a public forum, but that is simply because you just never know who may be reading what you write and I would be rather ashamed for certain people to read something like that from me. That is just how I feel. This is a public forum. I do not walk downtown, swearing in front of strangers and I will not do it in a public place. When I am with intimate friends, I might let one or two foul words slip, but that is rare.
I am not attempting to define righteousness through speech. What is "acceptable" to some may not be so to others and so, while in a public forum, I choose to use language that I believe is acceptable to all at all times.
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Hey there Strat... oh, he knows I'm a smart-ass!
Gosh, d'ya think I was hard on Freeze? No, no, no!
Well, shit. It certainly wasn't meant that way!
I really do wonder where swearing to loosen people up, falls into! I'm hoping Freeze understands it to be intellectual banter, is all...
Freeze... I have my pencil out, ready to take notes... eagerly waiting for our next class. Albeit with some trepidation now! Am I in trouble?
Cheapening? Well, Im not such a great expert in English to judge that, but I will stay with my opinion - language for me is merely a mean for communication, nothing less, nothing more. And therefore, cheapening (or expesnifying, or whatever the fuck would the opposite of cheapening be) is imo completely irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is that the person youre talking to can understand you, and vice versa.
Oh, and you will have to remind me which outburst was that. Izs kinda hard for me to keep track of them all. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, November 28, 2008 7:52:12 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You are in no "trouble", my dear. Neither was strat when he jabbed me with his "outburst". All in good fun, I assure you! I think an intellectual discussion every now and again is a good idea. I am pleased to see there is interest!
The thing is, profanity is a part of our language. For better or worse. I have always considered it a form of cheapening the language which we speak, however, I am one of the few. The majority of people seem to believe it is a perfectly acceptable form of communication. Certainly it is to be expected on a "rock band's website", no? I am not the least bit surprised that it is quite popular here among our group. Does not mean that we are any less human. Nor does it mean one is less important or whatever. Nonesense.
I have used foul language. I do so even to this very day. I do NOT use it in front of my mother, grandmother, granchildren or strangers! To me, this is just not done. I also eschew profanity in a public forum, but that is simply because you just never know who may be reading what you write and I would be rather ashamed for certain people to read something like that from me. That is just how I feel. This is a public forum. I do not walk downtown, swearing in front of strangers and I will not do it in a public place. When I am with intimate friends, I might let one or two foul words slip, but that is rare.
I am not attempting to define righteousness through speech. What is "acceptable" to some may not be so to others and so, while in a public forum, I choose to use language that I believe is acceptable to all at all times.
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
Hey there Strat... oh, he knows I'm a smart-ass!
Gosh, d'ya think I was hard on Freeze? No, no, no!
Well, shit. It certainly wasn't meant that way!
I really do wonder where swearing to loosen people up, falls into! I'm hoping Freeze understands it to be intellectual banter, is all...
Freeze... I have my pencil out, ready to take notes... eagerly waiting for our next class. Albeit with some trepidation now! Am I in trouble?
Come on now, dont be so hard on him. According to Metal Meltdown, Freeze called me a smart ASS at least once. Looks like hes softening up!
But in any case, I agree with you. Swearing is a part of every language, and its really not something to be so upset over, as some people are. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by WhiskeyWoman from Friday, November 28, 2008 12:49:26 AM)
WhiskeyWoman wrote:
(LOL, stratlover!)
Holy crap, is there a test on this shit!?
That's so good Freeze... I love Insomniac Theatre!
Then, I seriously have to question the orgins of 'profanity' in the first place. "Socially acceptable'" is subjective to a degree, and it is ever-changing. Thank-goodness. Some people would think socially acceptable does not include rock 'n roll, never mind metal.
Are these the same people/hypoocrites who censor swearing out of movies where hundreds of people get killed or maimed from beginning to end? All of that violence is okay, but a fucking word isn't?
Lol...
I like to think of those naughty little words as simply part of our language -- just nouns, adjectives and verbs. They come in quite handy.
Where does swearing to set people at ease, fall into? To, you know, let people know they don't have to be so stuffy and can let their guard down? Seriously, it seems to work -- so maybe it is 'cathartic' for them to respond in context?
I just fuckin' love this intellectual shit. Thanks Freeze! (What's next...?)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls. Welcome to Insomniac Theater! Today we will be discussing profanity. That's right! Profanity. Naughty words. Please take out a pencil and paper, take copious notes and be prepared to particpate in the after-class review. Ready? Let's begin:
The origin of the word profane actually stems from a Latin adjective which basically meant "things that do not belong to the church". It was utilized mostly to describe things outside of the church or things such as buildings that were not churches. As a result, the word has come to be used to describe things which are not socially acceptable or vulgar. What was once considered blasphemous has morphed into a more general definition regarding obscene or irreverent language.
Profanity, or swearing, has been categorized in five types: Dysphemistic: which forces the listener to think in a negative manner Abusive: used to intimidate or insult Cathartic: meant to describe a personal, negative emotion Emphatic: used to emphasize a point Idiomatic: cursing without referring to a matter
Some profanity has original meaning while others carry implied meaning. The actual degree of profanity is really determined by its effect on the listener. Depending on the group or individual being addressed, the actual meaning or its implication will be processed and the listener will decide if it is appropriate for polite conversation or the particular moment in which the word in employed. Many people use profanity as a way of seeking acceptance among peers. Others seek to use it for "shock value", or the aforementioned intimidation. Most often, the religious connotations are most recognized and, therefore, most understood.
Over time, the effectiveness of certain words changes. Racial slurs and epithets tend to be the most offensive in modern speech, as do words that refer to gender, creed and sexual orientation. Words that disparage a particular group are often considered highly offensive. Words describing certain parts of the body appear to remain the most popular, again as a result of the religious connection and the "blasphemous" nature of such words.
In closing, polite and decent society have yet to agree on just which words, if any, are completely profane in all circumstances. It is generally understood that language, as with behavior, is subject to interpretation but should most often be tempered by the group that make up the "listening body". One could argue that the user should consider his audience and choose appropriate speech, while still others will say that profanity cheapens the message and is disparaging to the user. In any case, there is clearly a line which must be drawn when conducting an open forum and the rules of decency should always prevail.
Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:36:39 AM Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:38:05 AM Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:39:38 AM
Lol! Yup, one of my favourite comedians too. I bet he sleeps with that pipe! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, November 21, 2008 5:03:49 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Hehehe..... Bill Bailey always gets a giggle out of me.
Hmm... Either youve been very old when you graduated, or you had gray hair at a very early age. In any case, the outfit suits you well. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:49:14 AM)
Maybe you remeber how you were? Or maybe I told before...
In any case, Id love to stay and chat, but I will be going home in a few minutes, so I guess ill be around again in the evening (thats when its evening over here, anyway). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:46:32 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Why doesn't that surprise me????
stratlover wrote:
Well, in that case, you will be very disappointed to hear that teachers could never keep me in school after class... Or during class.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh strat! Don't make me keep you after class.......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Fucking wow, I mean, dude, thats fucking complicated, I mean fuckedy-fuck-fuck in an asshole and shit, do we really use so many fucking profane shit in our fucking shitty-shit-shit conver-fucking-sations?
Or, in normal English, do we really swear so much that lines have to be drawn?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls. Welcome to Insomniac Theater! Today we will be discussing profanity. That's right! Profanity. Naughty words. Please take out a pencil and paper, take copious notes and be prepared to particpate in the after-class review. Ready? Let's begin:
The origin of the word profane actually stems from a Latin adjective which basically meant "things that do not belong to the church". It was utilized mostly to describe things outside of the church or things such as buildings that were not churches. As a result, the word has come to be used to describe things which are not socially acceptable or vulgar. What was once considered blasphemous has morphed into a more general definition regarding obscene or irreverent language.
Profanity, or swearing, has been categorized in five types: Dysphemistic: which forces the listener to think in a negative manner Abusive: used to intimidate or insult Cathartic: meant to describe a personal, negative emotion Emphatic: used to emphasize a point Idiomatic: cursing without referring to a matter
Some profanity has original meaning while others carry implied meaning. The actual degree of profanity is really determined by its effect on the listener. Depending on the group or individual being addressed, the actual meaning or its implication will be processed and the listener will decide if it is appropriate for polite conversation or the particular moment in which the word in employed. Many people use profanity as a way of seeking acceptance among peers. Others seek to use it for "shock value", or the aforementioned intimidation. Most often, the religious connotations are most recognized and, therefore, most understood.
Over time, the effectiveness of certain words changes. Racial slurs and epithets tend to be the most offensive in modern speech, as do words that refer to gender, creed and sexual orientation. Words that disparage a particular group are often considered highly offensive. Words describing certain parts of the body appear to remain the most popular, again as a result of the religious connection and the "blasphemous" nature of such words.
In closing, polite and decent society have yet to agree on just which words, if any, are completely profane in all circumstances. It is generally understood that language, as with behavior, is subject to interpretation but should most often be tempered by the group that make up the "listening body". One could argue that the user should consider his audience and choose appropriate speech, while still others will say that profanity cheapens the message and is disparaging to the user. In any case, there is clearly a line which must be drawn when conducting an open forum and the rules of decency should always prevail.
Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:36:39 AM Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:38:05 AM Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:39:38 AM
Well, in that case, you will be very disappointed to hear that teachers could never keep me in school after class... Or during class. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:43:03 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh strat! Don't make me keep you after class.......HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Fucking wow, I mean, dude, thats fucking complicated, I mean fuckedy-fuck-fuck in an asshole and shit, do we really use so many fucking profane shit in our fucking shitty-shit-shit conver-fucking-sations?
Or, in normal English, do we really swear so much that lines have to be drawn?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls. Welcome to Insomniac Theater! Today we will be discussing profanity. That's right! Profanity. Naughty words. Please take out a pencil and paper, take copious notes and be prepared to particpate in the after-class review. Ready? Let's begin:
The origin of the word profane actually stems from a Latin adjective which basically meant "things that do not belong to the church". It was utilized mostly to describe things outside of the church or things such as buildings that were not churches. As a result, the word has come to be used to describe things which are not socially acceptable or vulgar. What was once considered blasphemous has morphed into a more general definition regarding obscene or irreverent language.
Profanity, or swearing, has been categorized in five types: Dysphemistic: which forces the listener to think in a negative manner Abusive: used to intimidate or insult Cathartic: meant to describe a personal, negative emotion Emphatic: used to emphasize a point Idiomatic: cursing without referring to a matter
Some profanity has original meaning while others carry implied meaning. The actual degree of profanity is really determined by its effect on the listener. Depending on the group or individual being addressed, the actual meaning or its implication will be processed and the listener will decide if it is appropriate for polite conversation or the particular moment in which the word in employed. Many people use profanity as a way of seeking acceptance among peers. Others seek to use it for "shock value", or the aforementioned intimidation. Most often, the religious connotations are most recognized and, therefore, most understood.
Over time, the effectiveness of certain words changes. Racial slurs and epithets tend to be the most offensive in modern speech, as do words that refer to gender, creed and sexual orientation. Words that disparage a particular group are often considered highly offensive. Words describing certain parts of the body appear to remain the most popular, again as a result of the religious connection and the "blasphemous" nature of such words.
In closing, polite and decent society have yet to agree on just which words, if any, are completely profane in all circumstances. It is generally understood that language, as with behavior, is subject to interpretation but should most often be tempered by the group that make up the "listening body". One could argue that the user should consider his audience and choose appropriate speech, while still others will say that profanity cheapens the message and is disparaging to the user. In any case, there is clearly a line which must be drawn when conducting an open forum and the rules of decency should always prevail.
Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:36:39 AM Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:38:05 AM Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:39:38 AM
Fucking wow, I mean, dude, thats fucking complicated, I mean fuckedy-fuck-fuck in an asshole and shit, do we really use so many fucking profane shit in our fucking shitty-shit-shit conver-fucking-sations?
Or, in normal English, do we really swear so much that lines have to be drawn? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:30:35 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Good Morning, boys and girls. Welcome to Insomniac Theater! Today we will be discussing profanity. That's right! Profanity. Naughty words. Please take out a pencil and paper, take copious notes and be prepared to particpate in the after-class review. Ready? Let's begin:
The origin of the word profane actually stems from a Latin adjective which basically meant "things that do not belong to the church". It was utilized mostly to describe things outside of the church or things such as buildings that were not churches. As a result, the word has come to be used to describe things which are not socially acceptable or vulgar. What was once considered blasphemous has morphed into a more general definition regarding obscene or irreverent language.
Profanity, or swearing, has been categorized in five types: Dysphemistic: which forces the listener to think in a negative manner Abusive: used to intimidate or insult Cathartic: meant to describe a personal, negative emotion Emphatic: used to emphasize a point Idiomatic: cursing without referring to a matter
Some profanity has original meaning while others carry implied meaning. The actual degree of profanity is really determined by its effect on the listener. Depending on the group or individual being addressed, the actual meaning or its implication will be processed and the listener will decide if it is appropriate for polite conversation or the particular moment in which the word in employed. Many people use profanity as a way of seeking acceptance among peers. Others seek to use it for "shock value", or the aforementioned intimidation. Most often, the religious connotations are most recognized and, therefore, most understood.
Over time, the effectiveness of certain words changes. Racial slurs and epithets tend to be the most offensive in modern speech, as do words that refer to gender, creed and sexual orientation. Words that disparage a particular group are often considered highly offensive. Words describing certain parts of the body appear to remain the most popular, again as a result of the religious connection and the "blasphemous" nature of such words.
In closing, polite and decent society have yet to agree on just which words, if any, are completely profane in all circumstances. It is generally understood that language, as with behavior, is subject to interpretation but should most often be tempered by the group that make up the "listening body". One could argue that the user should consider his audience and choose appropriate speech, while still others will say that profanity cheapens the message and is disparaging to the user. In any case, there is clearly a line which must be drawn when conducting an open forum and the rules of decency should always prevail.
Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:36:39 AM Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:38:05 AM Edited at: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:39:38 AM
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 6:53:38 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Yes! His insanity is the reason that clip is so absolutely funny.
stratlover wrote:
Nah, its cool, I watched it just now. Its just that it was long, and I have like 3 or 4 applications running simultaneously.
In any case, the guy is totaly and absolutely bat fuck insane. But I do wish I could make such noises!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Holy crap...Defrag your PC!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Sure. Its loading as I speak. That means that it should be loaded in about an hour...
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
You gotta watch the stupid video I posted in the thread I just created. The guy is a total dumbass.
stratlover wrote:
LOL!!!!! At 11:30 in the morning? I dont think so! No, Im just at work and bored to death. But then I saw how popular the "EVERYDAY" threads are becoming, so I made my own. Just wait till Freeze sees it!
You do know that Im not taking a piss out of you, do you?
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:58:48 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
STRAT!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
LOL!!!!! At 11:30 in the morning? I dont think so! No, Im just at work and bored to death. But then I saw how popular the "EVERYDAY" threads are becoming, so I made my own. Just wait till Freeze sees it!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Empty toilet roll! Me wants the empty toilet roll! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:15:04 AM)
Nah, its cool, I watched it just now. Its just that it was long, and I have like 3 or 4 applications running simultaneously.
In any case, the guy is totaly and absolutely bat fuck insane. But I do wish I could make such noises! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:42:01 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Holy crap...Defrag your PC!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Sure. Its loading as I speak. That means that it should be loaded in about an hour...
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
You gotta watch the stupid video I posted in the thread I just created. The guy is a total dumbass.
stratlover wrote:
LOL!!!!! At 11:30 in the morning? I dont think so! No, Im just at work and bored to death. But then I saw how popular the "EVERYDAY" threads are becoming, so I made my own. Just wait till Freeze sees it!
You gotta watch the stupid video I posted in the thread I just created. The guy is a total dumbass.
stratlover wrote:
LOL!!!!! At 11:30 in the morning? I dont think so! No, Im just at work and bored to death. But then I saw how popular the "EVERYDAY" threads are becoming, so I made my own. Just wait till Freeze sees it!
LOL!!!!! At 11:30 in the morning? I dont think so! No, Im just at work and bored to death. But then I saw how popular the "EVERYDAY" threads are becoming, so I made my own. Just wait till Freeze sees it!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:34:20 AM)
It would have to be "EDUCATION EVERY DAY", the way the trends on this site seem to be going now. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Monday, November 24, 2008 5:30:01 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh how I would hate to see this Thread closed! Perhaps if HB renamed it Education vs. Tim Owens or Educationally Delicious it would receive more attention?? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 4:15:49 AM)
Probably, yes... Though its not just that. He just reminds me of some old lady. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:20:02 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Gene is easy to explain...because he probably IS!
Paul? Ummm...the eyebrows?
stratlover wrote:
Why does Gene look like hes high, and why does Paul Stanley look like miss Frankenstein?
guidogodoy wrote:
I think this one would be closer to the truth!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey, I have an uncle who's Jewish. Also, some of my friends are black and are into hip-hop and yes, I've had the 'wassup my n***a' episode. I care not about someone's ethnicity or racial heritage. We are all human beings. And here's the pic I meant to post earlier:
And for the record, Kiss was my first favorite rock band and my introduction to the world of rock.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hairy Jews??? HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Rude, man! So rude!!!!!!
Hey!! Did you hear that, Matza Meltdown?!??!? BWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, November 24, 2008 2:28:39 PM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Wow...I didn't realize you were both hairy Jews with big voices and skintight sequined outfits and kabuki make-up.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!!! He can't fire me!!!! I'm PAUL STANLEY to his Gene Simmons!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
You better hope MM doesn't pull a Dave Mustaine and fire you for wanting a bigger slice of the pie than you're entitled to. LOL
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ooo! Cool! so what is MY cut? 35-55%??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want millions! Hold out for millions!
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
There is a website called Tune Core. You post your music on there and they distribute it to Amazon, Itunes, ect ect. You collect a check if any of it sells. Thats what former NY Gov' Eliot Spitzers prostitue did and she made a hundred grand after that scandal broke!! My girlfriend had a relative that made 1500 off of one blues tune he posted and had someone wanting to use it for a movie!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand. Phil plans to sell our original work, just as any musical group would do. I believe he has a place that he can send it and try to sell it. I am not too familiar with the whole thing so I cannot give you details. He posted Judgement Day as a way of letting people hear what to expect, should they decide to purchase the songs. Perhaps it is on a "download" basis? I have no idea, my friend! Honestly, my work is very different from that song. In any event, you would have to PM Phil to get more information.
Why does Gene look like hes high, and why does Paul Stanley look like miss Frankenstein? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, November 24, 2008 8:09:42 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
I think this one would be closer to the truth!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Hey, I have an uncle who's Jewish. Also, some of my friends are black and are into hip-hop and yes, I've had the 'wassup my n***a' episode. I care not about someone's ethnicity or racial heritage. We are all human beings. And here's the pic I meant to post earlier:
And for the record, Kiss was my first favorite rock band and my introduction to the world of rock.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hairy Jews??? HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Rude, man! So rude!!!!!!
Hey!! Did you hear that, Matza Meltdown?!??!? BWWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!
(Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Monday, November 24, 2008 2:28:39 PM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Wow...I didn't realize you were both hairy Jews with big voices and skintight sequined outfits and kabuki make-up.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HEY!!! He can't fire me!!!! I'm PAUL STANLEY to his Gene Simmons!!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
You better hope MM doesn't pull a Dave Mustaine and fire you for wanting a bigger slice of the pie than you're entitled to. LOL
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ooo! Cool! so what is MY cut? 35-55%??? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I want millions! Hold out for millions!
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
There is a website called Tune Core. You post your music on there and they distribute it to Amazon, Itunes, ect ect. You collect a check if any of it sells. Thats what former NY Gov' Eliot Spitzers prostitue did and she made a hundred grand after that scandal broke!! My girlfriend had a relative that made 1500 off of one blues tune he posted and had someone wanting to use it for a movie!!!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I understand. Phil plans to sell our original work, just as any musical group would do. I believe he has a place that he can send it and try to sell it. I am not too familiar with the whole thing so I cannot give you details. He posted Judgement Day as a way of letting people hear what to expect, should they decide to purchase the songs. Perhaps it is on a "download" basis? I have no idea, my friend! Honestly, my work is very different from that song. In any event, you would have to PM Phil to get more information.
Yes, you have spelled gynecologist correctly. Why you have, I do notwant to know!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I would love to see what you have in mind as far as art. We have someone working on it now and I am sure any suggestions are welcome!!!
stratlover wrote:
Good to see you again too. Ive been paying close attention to the project thread lately, and as it happens I may just have a surprise for you guys in the cover art department... Not making any promises yet, but I do have a weekend in front of me and a good idea. I will contact you if it comes out right.
Oh, and enlighten me, o great sage of all things grammar (j/k)... Is "Gynecologist" correct?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sometimes you need not be the author. Timing is everything! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good to see you, my friend.
stratlover wrote:
Dont give me too much credit... It came in the e-mail today. I just translated the shit.
Good to see you again too. Ive been paying close attention to the project thread lately, and as it happens I may just have a surprise for you guys in the cover art department... Not making any promises yet, but I do have a weekend in front of me and a good idea. I will contact you if it comes out right.
Oh, and enlighten me, o great sage of all things grammar (j/k)... Is "Gynecologist" correct? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, November 21, 2008 4:35:21 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Sometimes you need not be the author. Timing is everything! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good to see you, my friend.
stratlover wrote:
Dont give me too much credit... It came in the e-mail today. I just translated the shit.
Dont give me too much credit... It came in the e-mail today. I just translated the shit. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, November 21, 2008 4:32:58 PM)
Why, anyone that has interests that have connection to the state. It can be a religious organization (like the Catholic Church) that wants more influence over the educational system or organs of repression and aims for a legislation that would allow it. It could be a weapons manufacturer that wants to make a bussines deal with the military that is under government control and resorts to bribery or personal contacts. It could be a lot of things.
The influence and power of politicians differs from country to country, from system to system, and of course it depends on the function of an individual politician. But the politicians do hold the power over legislature, budget and spendings, organs of repression, etc. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Kendall aka JudasRyche from Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:33:17 AM)
Kendall aka JudasRyche wrote:
stratlover wrote:
I quite agree. While it is obvious that in any capitalist country big buisinesses are in bed with politics, I dont think that the Orwellian scenario is the right one to describe the situation. I think its more the case that politicians will offer their power and influence to the highest bidder.
Who are the "highest bidder"(s)? And what would these "bidders" do with this influence and power? And what power and what influence so politicians have?
we're on a real roll now, into this increasing totalitarianistic society and we're hearing the terms used of ‘a world of service’. Obama had it, on his website in fact, one of his speeches, that's now been pulled, just prior to the Election. Bring in a 'world of service', a 'country of service'. The same terminology, in fact, he uses as the Cecil Rhodes Foundation for global governance and the Royal Institute of International Affairs, or the CFR, which are both the same thing. The “global citizenship” etc.
All of these terms came from the Royal Institute of International Affairs and they're on a roll now, to bring in this global society and most people think 'Well, what's wrong with that? We're all people, we're all decent people aren't we?' and we've had 40 years of indoctrination into multicultural agenda, to try not to make people really, as much accept multiculturalism, but to make them become less nationalistic, that was the real purpose of it. As I say, we're decent people, why not have this global society? Well, it's not going to be the kind of fairyland society that people imagine. In fact it could be a prison, your own country with its borders could be a prison because, you see, in the Brave New World scenario, according to Jacques Attali and other authors, who work now with the United Nations, the one who said that the next boat people leaving the American shores will be Americans, looking for work abroad, in his book Millennium. You find that they can keep you inside the border electronically, when we're all electronically-tagged.
The push is on now, for the chipped passport, for all Canadians and U.S. citizens, Mexicans and so on. Eventually, it will be extended all through the Americas, all Latin America, because they're all scheduled to come in to the system, in the same fashion that they brought in all the other countries into the E.U. (Economic Union of Europe). When it's time for them and they've had enough work done on them, and the same system has been introduced and accepted, then they bring them in. Long-term strategy, long-long-term strategy; and, I mentioned when this last farce of an economic bubble, not quite burst, it sort of bubbled a bit and floundered but really, they could have pulled that bubble one anytime they wished because the Stock Market has always been rigged, from its very inception. They could have kept the same con game going for another 50 years, if they wanted to; so, why did they do it now? Well, it's time you see, to bring in the new economic society, where money and the 'power of the purse' will be used to control every single person and make you behave and accept your new indoctrination of political correctness and, just like a computer program, every week, you'll have a new version of political correctness. The 'double think' that I mentioned last week, of George Orwell and the ability to hold two opposing opinions in your head, at the same time, and believe in both of them. The schizoid system that they're bring in ....
This is from Reuters UK News and how they're going to use this crisis, you see, to bring in their system; and, this is from November the 10th 2008:-
Brown says time to build global society
The Prime Minister of Britain, Mr. Brown, says:-
Time to build a global society. The international financial crisis has given world leaders a unique opportunity to create a truly global society, Prime Minister Gordon Brown will say, in a keynote policy speech on Monday
You understand these men are just front men, they read speeches written by professional script writers. There was even a scandal in Canada recently, where the Prime Minister had read a script and it came out in the mainstream media that they borrowed most of it from the Prime Minister of Australia, in one of his speeches. They're just front men you see. So, he will say this you see, I guess they hand it out to all the major newspaper companies, before he gives a speech.
In his annual speech at the Lord Mayor's Banquet, Brown who has spearheaded calls for the reform of international financial institutions will say Britain...
Will say huh!
... Britain, the United States and Europe are key to forging a new world order
Something they can say, without being conspiracy nuts; but if you mention it, you're a conspiracy nut.
“The alliance between Britain and the U.S. -- and more broadly between Europe and the U.S. -- can and must provide leadership, not in order to make the rules ourselves, but to lead the global effort to build a stronger and more just international order," an excerpt from the speech says.
Why not just print the speech up and they could save some bucks, he wouldn't have to go and attend this thing?
Brown and other leaders meet in Washington next weekend to discuss longer term solutions for dealing with economic issues following a series of coordinated moves on interest rates and to recapitalise banks in the wake of the financial crisis. Uniquely in this global age, it is now in our power to come together so that 2008 is remembered not just for the failure of a financial crash that engulfed the world but for the resilience and optimism, with which we faced the storm,
Oh, the poor script writer, you know, a 'B' grade movie one.
Brown will say in his speech on Monday evening "...And if we learn from our experience of turning unity of purpose into unity of action
Where have we heard these terms before?
we can together seize this moment of change in our world to create a truly global society. According to a summary of the speech released by his office, Brown will set out five great challenges the world faces
They always love 'Five', for the five points in Masonry.
These are terrorism and extremism and the need to reassert faith in democracy
They should invent democracy because we've never had it
He said "the global economy; climate change; conflict and mechanisms for rebuilding states after conflict;
This, after they go and flatten what's already there. You understand that war is a renovation job; do you understand that's what it is? When they blasted all of the infrastructure out of Afghanistan, their water supplies, the factories that made the baby food, they were flattened too, they claimed they were making chemicals there, until they found nothing but, well, powdered baby food. They flattened everything and they also demolished all the old oil refineries, they said they were obsolete, therefore it was better to bomb them from the air, using U.S. tax money, and they would rebuild new ones, for Halliburton and so on, which they've done. War is a renovation job. They did the same thing in Japan at the end of World War Two, flattened, burned out Tokyo and the big boys, the Halliburtons of their day get the big contracts to go in and rebuild them. Here he goes on here:
I'm "meeting goals on tackling poverty and disease
Well these are the guys, these are the guys who want to bring the population down, by using disease; and, as they say: 'well the poor will always be with us', and they make sure of that. They've got to have the poor, you see, because you can always get one half of the poor to kill the other half. That's what the military is all about, that's how it works this way, and they can always create class distinction and conflict when it suits them.
Brown will also identify five stages for tackling the economy, starting with recapitalising banks so they can resume lending to families
Ha ha
and businesses, and better international co-ordination of fiscal and monetary policy.
Then it goes on and on and on, this handout that they give about the speech, before anyone else actually gives the speech! It's quite a joke isn't it?
stratlover wrote:
I quite agree. While it is obvious that in any capitalist country big buisinesses are in bed with politics, I dont think that the Orwellian scenario is the right one to describe the situation. I think its more the case that politicians will offer their power and influence to the highest bidder.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well guys, I hate to sound like one of those "mindless drones" but I'm afraid this is where I must jump off. I mean, ALL of them are Free Masons?? ALL of them are psychopaths?? I am SO sorry but that is a bit more than I am able to handle! I am up for a good conspiracy theory the same as the next guy but, to me , this is just too much about generalizing. The paranoia here is so thick you can actually cut it!
Now, I may be an old man and I may be one of those that you claim is being "led" like a sheep to the slaughter but I simply cannot put "all" of anything into one, subversive group and call it by one name! FAR too Orwellian for me, guys. I don't know just how much of your "Big Brother" theory is true , Kendall but I do not even have ONE credit card. Not one! I do not believe in them as credit is the problem, not some spy network. Advertisers are trying to sell goods. Yes, they make credit easy to obtain. I agree. THAT is why we have the financial situation we do in this country! People buying things they cannot afford! I guess you could call that mind control but I do not see it as such. I call it stupidity. Debt is the real problem in society. One cannot create wealth so long as one has debt. Advertisers sell us more debt. The public licks it up because, as you so eloquently said, it is easy. Getting more crap that you really do not need is the enemy. Creating mountains of debt that drain your wealth and mortgage your future AND your children's future is the real problem. The solution is not some kind of "revolt". The solution is simple; live within your means.
So the question applies only to people that have already been to a Judas Priest concert? Well I havent, but besides them I guess that Iron Maiden were the best.
Ok, going out of musical territory, can you touch the tip your nose with your tongue? (just to see if anyone can... I cant) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by lana from Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:36:16 AM)
lana wrote:
My worst concert experience was back in "91
Saw Faith No More -Metallica & GNR--FNM & Metallica put on kick ass now & take names later concerts & so did GNR UNTIL some idiot decided to throw a bottle on stage -just missing Axl--well Good 'ol Axl decides to run of stage & never come back out --he left the Meadowlands while his band was still playing --have'nt respected him since
What is the best concert BESIDES Judas Priest that you've seen ??
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Countries I've been to? Long list due my tour in the US Navy. Here we go: England, France, Monte Carlo, Italy, Spain (island of Palma), Aruba, St. Thomas (US Virgin Islands - territory), United Arab Emirates, Italy, and Israel.
What was your worst concert experience?
(Quoting Message by Udo S. from Tuesday, November 18, 2008 5:45:45 PM)
Udo S. wrote:
To the Garden Of Eden to kill that fuckin' snake!
Countries you've been to?
Edited at: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:50:12 AM
Lol. You do know that we are talking about a song title, not about sexual preferences, no? Somebody has a dirty mind... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:14:04 AM)
Head banger wrote:
UGH!!!! DF between a hamster and an ape. what kind of bastard love child will that produce?
stratlover wrote:
Between the hamster and the ape?
guidogodoy wrote:
Ooo Oooo! I know!!
BTH & TA would have helped! First word..."Between" (how ya been, Strat! Good to see you. Have to catch up with you someday).
stratlover wrote:
Hm... Well, for some reason I am getting the feeling that you have him chained to a wall with only a giant picture fof Obama to keep him company.
In any case, you guys were very busy, I see! Btw. what does BTHATA stand for?
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
dudes got a fuckin mouth on him. swears like a sailor!!
Well, It was a productive day. We managed to get:
Demonizer
Hot rockin
Hell Patrol
BTHATA
Wheels of fire
Judas Rising
Jawbreaker AND
Eat me Alive
Recorded with vocals. Freeze really did his homework on this recording. I will have one posted within a day or so. We will resume tomorrow.....
stratlover wrote:
WHAT DID YOU DO TO HIM?!?!?!?!?!?
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
Freeze says your a smart ASS........Yes he said ass!!
Hm... Well, for some reason I am getting the feeling that you have him chained to a wall with only a giant picture fof Obama to keep him company.
In any case, you guys were very busy, I see! Btw. what does BTHATA stand for? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Tuesday, November 18, 2008 3:25:28 PM)
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
dudes got a fuckin mouth on him. swears like a sailor!!
Well, It was a productive day. We managed to get:
Demonizer
Hot rockin
Hell Patrol
BTHATA
Wheels of fire
Judas Rising
Jawbreaker AND
Eat me Alive
Recorded with vocals. Freeze really did his homework on this recording. I will have one posted within a day or so. We will resume tomorrow.....
stratlover wrote:
WHAT DID YOU DO TO HIM?!?!?!?!?!?
METAL MELTDOWN wrote:
Freeze says your a smart ASS........Yes he said ass!!
I quite agree. While it is obvious that in any capitalist country big buisinesses are in bed with politics, I dont think that the Orwellian scenario is the right one to describe the situation. I think its more the case that politicians will offer their power and influence to the highest bidder. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:59:53 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well guys, I hate to sound like one of those "mindless drones" but I'm afraid this is where I must jump off. I mean, ALL of them are Free Masons?? ALL of them are psychopaths?? I am SO sorry but that is a bit more than I am able to handle! I am up for a good conspiracy theory the same as the next guy but, to me , this is just too much about generalizing. The paranoia here is so thick you can actually cut it!
Now, I may be an old man and I may be one of those that you claim is being "led" like a sheep to the slaughter but I simply cannot put "all" of anything into one, subversive group and call it by one name! FAR too Orwellian for me, guys. I don't know just how much of your "Big Brother" theory is true , Kendall but I do not even have ONE credit card. Not one! I do not believe in them as credit is the problem, not some spy network. Advertisers are trying to sell goods. Yes, they make credit easy to obtain. I agree. THAT is why we have the financial situation we do in this country! People buying things they cannot afford! I guess you could call that mind control but I do not see it as such. I call it stupidity. Debt is the real problem in society. One cannot create wealth so long as one has debt. Advertisers sell us more debt. The public licks it up because, as you so eloquently said, it is easy. Getting more crap that you really do not need is the enemy. Creating mountains of debt that drain your wealth and mortgage your future AND your children's future is the real problem. The solution is not some kind of "revolt". The solution is simple; live within your means.
Hes busy burning crosses, if I remember him right. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, November 08, 2008 4:43:58 PM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
What the hell happened to RoboCaster from Washington state? I really liked that fella. Hey Robo send me a pm if you read this!
Well, we will see, because Russia is technicaly still a democracy. But I dont doubt that if Putin comes back that he will be re-elected.
In any case, Medvedjev, Putin = Nationalist douchebags. Whichever one is in the Kremlin is bad. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Craig Wagenhoffer from Saturday, November 08, 2008 1:38:05 PM)
Craig Wagenhoffer wrote:
Now that we're talking about Russia: I just read that Vladimir Putin will probably return as Russia's president in early 2009. Rumour has it that Putin would then stay president until 2021 or even become "president for life"! This is the period Putin needs to complete his "Putin Plan". The appointment of Dmitri Medvedev as Russia's president earlier this year seems to be part of a calculated plan. Right now Medvedev is pushing through some unpopular social reforms and reforms to pave the way for an easy return of Vladimir Putin.
stratlover wrote:
Lol, no I think that your next president should be allright... As much as a politician can ever be "allright". If it was Sarah Palin as the Vicepresident, I guess that Russian missiles would already be flying towards her belowed Alaska.
DemonCat wrote:
I'm sure it'll work out somehow. I wish you the best next year in getting into college. Sorry you didn't get in this year.
So what do you think...have we taken a closer step towards armageddon?
stratlover wrote:
Well, Im sorry to hear that. I hope you get through allright.
Well, Im fine. Graduated, failed to get into a college, so Im working for a year and trying again next year.
DemonCat wrote:
Nah, too much worry. I simply couldn't stop wondering how I'm going to pay my bills this month. How have you been?
stratlover wrote:
Aha, to much coffee? Well, its good to be back, and good to see you again as well.
DemonCat wrote:
I wasn't up early, but rather...I was awake late. 'Til 4 a.m. Good to see you again Strat!
stratlover wrote:
Wow! Youre up early!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
That would be too fair Strat. The government must twist things in such a way as to get what it wants.
So you aren't considering Obama a risk to peace? He's already set up one of the oldest excuses in the book...
Obama's letter of opology to the World for WW3 will read something like this...
Dear sir, or madam's,
I had the peace negotiations last night I swear, but my daughters new puppy ate it!
Sincerely opologetic,
Obama
stratlover wrote:
That is true, but as I said, I dont see it as a matter of knowing, rather as a matter of being entitled to something. I mean, lets face it, most people dont really take a great interest in politics. But most people are in one way or the other supporting the state apparatus. Now, if they have to, then I think its only right that they get to choose who leads it. Those things actualy are mutualy inclusive for the most part. I mean, its not like you have to understand politics very well to know which side represents what at a certain time.
Actualy George bush was elected because of your weird electing system. And thats something that I wanted to ask to. What all this stuff with electoral votes? Why not just count all the voters votes and determine the winner?
Deep Freeze wrote:
I understand, DC. No worries.
Strat, as usual you make some very salient points. My problem with what you say is this;
Rights and duties are fine. Just because one comes of age does NOT mean one is capable of making decisions as an adult. Just because we "treat" eighteen year olds as adults and they can work and pay taxes and fight in a war does NOT mean they understand politics. So often, people use that silly argument, "Well, if you can fight a war, you should be able to drink, vote, own a gun..whatever..." These things are NOT mutually inclusive!! That is ridiculous. Just because I wear a swimsuit does NOT mean I can swim!!! The "right" to vote is fine. It is part of our Constitution and I accept that but that does NOT mean I AGREE with it!
George Bush was elected because he was the BETTER man. (OH boy..I can hear the haters typing on their keyboards now!!! HA!!) That does not mean it was the RIGHT choice. The "changes" in our voters to which you refer do not include intelligence. Bush was unpopular, I agree. He made mistakes, I agree. I still back him. I will back the new man WHEN he takes office.
Influencing politics would best be served by actually being a politician, as far as I can see. But, as voters, we are very limited in what we can do. And because the majority of our public ARE morons, we get what we get. They do NOT "think for themselves". They believe what "Oprah" tells them! If we were to require EVERY voter to REALLY KNOW what he/she is doing , rather than just being "of age", the influence would be greater and the results better. That , my friend, is MY "humble opinion".
stratlover wrote:
Well, that is the immpression that I got. I apologise if it isnt true, as you say.
But in any case, yes, it is true, people do learn more as they get older. But this isnt exactly a question of knowledge and experiences. Its a question of rights and duties. In most countries in the world 18 is the age at which people get
officialy treated as adults. Some already go to work at that age and pay taxes so that people like your president or my prime minister can have their wages. Some go to college, but by the mid 20s most work and pay taxes. We all get treated as adults when we are accused of breaking the law. The male half is subject to draft and military service. But we also get rights, and the right to vote is among them. Imo, if we set the age limit for the rights to 30, we should also set the age limit for duties to the same age. Otherwise there will be a generation of people who will have the same duties as their elders, but they wont have the same right to influence politics, that in turn influence our everyday lives.
Now about intelligence... Granted, I dont really know much about an average American voter, but if the vast majority of them are idiots and mindless drones who vote the same as Oprah (and at least on her I can agree, I hate her and her stupid show), how did George Bush win two elections in a row? There have clearly been changes in your voting public, and there are clearly people who voted Obama, that used to vote Bush. And judging by the results, there are a lot of them. It goes to show that there are a lot of people out there who can think for themselves.
As far as Obamas skin colour goes... Well, I agree, who gives a fuck. Apart from the KKK, but they are the least of his problems now.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh strat! You know me better than that! My comments had NOTHING to do with the election results (whether or not McCain was the better choice). Doesn't anyone actually read what I write??
First, the reason I use that age is because people really do learn as they grow older. Experience is an incredible asset, my friend. I have never said that all young people are clueless. Take yourself, for example. A very intelligent young man. I am speaking in generalities because, the sad fact is, you do not need intelligence to qualify to vote. The vast majority of the voting public are mindless drones that drool when phonies like Oprah Winfrey speak. They have NO idea what an issue is OR what their "party" stands for. Which leads me to my second response,
I do not believe that any one particular party is right on every issue. I do not always agree with the "right wing" agenda, my friend. I am just wise enough to know that the "system" is NOT going to change in MY lifetime. I also have enough sense to see that Obama has NOT "brought us together" any more or less than any other president-elect! That is absolute HOGWASH. He has done NOTHING but win an election. Nothing. The fact that he is a blackman is irrelevant to me. All of that is hype propogated by the Democratic party in a lame attempt to paint this person as something "larger than life" prior to earning it. Typical smoke and mirrors politics. "Oh look at how he has broken barriers.." "Oh see how he has united the public"... BS!!!!!!! He won an election. Nothing more. Has he made it further than any other blackman in politics? Of course. Does that mean something to some people, apparently. For all the talk about how he has "transcended racial barriers", they sure like to keep reminding us of his color, don't they??
I am not bitter, strat. The vote is in and I will back the president when he takes office. When he finally DOES something as a president, I will comment on that.
(Quoting Message by stratlover from Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:24:55 AM)
stratlover wrote:
Aha. So, what exactly does happen at the age of thirty to change a person from someone who should not be allowed to vote, to someone who should be? And what would those exams look like? "Whats better, left or right?" Sorry Freeze, but I cant escape the feeling that you wouldnt be saying all this about Obama and his supporters if McCain had won.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ohhhhhboy...........
To begin with, my comment was NOT meant racially. Everyone here knows my feeling on race relations! It was and remains a comment on the youth mentality of our nation. And I could not care less what the "law" says, an 18 year old is a child! As for "many older , white folk", you made the color distinction, not me. I could not care less what color a person is. Wrong is wrong. You make a GREAT point for an argument I have had for YEARS;
NO ONE under the age of THIRTY should be allowed to vote AND it should be MANDATORY that EVERYONE who votes has passed a CIVICS Exam! I am certain that I mentioned in previous posts that MOST voters would not know an ISSUE from a TISSUE! These fine folks you mentioned most certainly understand the platform of the Democratic Liberal Left , though...right?
I am shocked at your response, DC! Mainly because of what I recall are your "Christian" beliefs! It would occur to me that you would be much more concerned with the religious right agenda that will now be packed away and stored until this liberal uprising has been quelled. The "baby killers" are loose in the country, man!!! Mosques will be in a neighborhood near you!!! Christ was just a guy that ran into a bit of bad luck with a piece of wood and the Romans! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you get my point.
I made another point to say, at the beginning of one of my posts, that I believe there is nothing much to be said because he has not done anything yet! I still believe that. I said it once and will say it again, I do NOT knock the man that leads my team. I wish him the best. I did NOT vote for him but that is fine. I will reserve my kudos for an accomplishment or two. Winning this election on the backs of disingenuous blacks, frustrated adults with NO clue and children in baggy pants is nothing to cheer about!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 2:35:13 AM
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:53:34 AM
I see. But that means that a voters vote from a less populated state is actualy worth more than a vote from a highly populated one. Wouldnt the "one voter = one vote" be more fair? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:47:54 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Well, at the time our "Founding Father's" developed this system, it was meant to keep the states with a higher population from getting an unfair advantage, since the majority of the population lived in certain areas. The states were assigned a certain number of "Electoral Votes" instead. This was meant to assist the less populated areas and give them an "equal voice", as it were. That is a rather simplified version of the answer but I am no scholar.
(Quoting Message by stratlover from Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:40:40 AM)
stratlover wrote:
That is true, but as I said, I dont see it as a matter of knowing, rather as a matter of being entitled to something. I mean, lets face it, most people dont really take a great interest in politics. But most people are in one way or the other supporting the state apparatus. Now, if they have to, then I think its only right that they get to choose who leads it. Those things actualy are mutualy inclusive for the most part. I mean, its not like you have to understand politics very well to know which side represents what at a certain time.
Actualy George bush was elected because of your weird electing system. And thats something that I wanted to ask to. What all this stuff with electoral votes? Why not just count all the voters votes and determine the winner?
Deep Freeze wrote:
I understand, DC. No worries.
Strat, as usual you make some very salient points. My problem with what you say is this;
Rights and duties are fine. Just because one comes of age does NOT mean one is capable of making decisions as an adult. Just because we "treat" eighteen year olds as adults and they can work and pay taxes and fight in a war does NOT mean they understand politics. So often, people use that silly argument, "Well, if you can fight a war, you should be able to drink, vote, own a gun..whatever..." These things are NOT mutually inclusive!! That is ridiculous. Just because I wear a swimsuit does NOT mean I can swim!!! The "right" to vote is fine. It is part of our Constitution and I accept that but that does NOT mean I AGREE with it!
George Bush was elected because he was the BETTER man. (OH boy..I can hear the haters typing on their keyboards now!!! HA!!) That does not mean it was the RIGHT choice. The "changes" in our voters to which you refer do not include intelligence. Bush was unpopular, I agree. He made mistakes, I agree. I still back him. I will back the new man WHEN he takes office.
Influencing politics would best be served by actually being a politician, as far as I can see. But, as voters, we are very limited in what we can do. And because the majority of our public ARE morons, we get what we get. They do NOT "think for themselves". They believe what "Oprah" tells them! If we were to require EVERY voter to REALLY KNOW what he/she is doing , rather than just being "of age", the influence would be greater and the results better. That , my friend, is MY "humble opinion".
stratlover wrote:
Well, that is the immpression that I got. I apologise if it isnt true, as you say.
But in any case, yes, it is true, people do learn more as they get older. But this isnt exactly a question of knowledge and experiences. Its a question of rights and duties. In most countries in the world 18 is the age at which people get
officialy treated as adults. Some already go to work at that age and pay taxes so that people like your president or my prime minister can have their wages. Some go to college, but by the mid 20s most work and pay taxes. We all get treated as adults when we are accused of breaking the law. The male half is subject to draft and military service. But we also get rights, and the right to vote is among them. Imo, if we set the age limit for the rights to 30, we should also set the age limit for duties to the same age. Otherwise there will be a generation of people who will have the same duties as their elders, but they wont have the same right to influence politics, that in turn influence our everyday lives.
Now about intelligence... Granted, I dont really know much about an average American voter, but if the vast majority of them are idiots and mindless drones who vote the same as Oprah (and at least on her I can agree, I hate her and her stupid show), how did George Bush win two elections in a row? There have clearly been changes in your voting public, and there are clearly people who voted Obama, that used to vote Bush. And judging by the results, there are a lot of them. It goes to show that there are a lot of people out there who can think for themselves.
As far as Obamas skin colour goes... Well, I agree, who gives a fuck. Apart from the KKK, but they are the least of his problems now.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh strat! You know me better than that! My comments had NOTHING to do with the election results (whether or not McCain was the better choice). Doesn't anyone actually read what I write??
First, the reason I use that age is because people really do learn as they grow older. Experience is an incredible asset, my friend. I have never said that all young people are clueless. Take yourself, for example. A very intelligent young man. I am speaking in generalities because, the sad fact is, you do not need intelligence to qualify to vote. The vast majority of the voting public are mindless drones that drool when phonies like Oprah Winfrey speak. They have NO idea what an issue is OR what their "party" stands for. Which leads me to my second response,
I do not believe that any one particular party is right on every issue. I do not always agree with the "right wing" agenda, my friend. I am just wise enough to know that the "system" is NOT going to change in MY lifetime. I also have enough sense to see that Obama has NOT "brought us together" any more or less than any other president-elect! That is absolute HOGWASH. He has done NOTHING but win an election. Nothing. The fact that he is a blackman is irrelevant to me. All of that is hype propogated by the Democratic party in a lame attempt to paint this person as something "larger than life" prior to earning it. Typical smoke and mirrors politics. "Oh look at how he has broken barriers.." "Oh see how he has united the public"... BS!!!!!!! He won an election. Nothing more. Has he made it further than any other blackman in politics? Of course. Does that mean something to some people, apparently. For all the talk about how he has "transcended racial barriers", they sure like to keep reminding us of his color, don't they??
I am not bitter, strat. The vote is in and I will back the president when he takes office. When he finally DOES something as a president, I will comment on that.
(Quoting Message by stratlover from Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:24:55 AM)
stratlover wrote:
Aha. So, what exactly does happen at the age of thirty to change a person from someone who should not be allowed to vote, to someone who should be? And what would those exams look like? "Whats better, left or right?" Sorry Freeze, but I cant escape the feeling that you wouldnt be saying all this about Obama and his supporters if McCain had won.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ohhhhhboy...........
To begin with, my comment was NOT meant racially. Everyone here knows my feeling on race relations! It was and remains a comment on the youth mentality of our nation. And I could not care less what the "law" says, an 18 year old is a child! As for "many older , white folk", you made the color distinction, not me. I could not care less what color a person is. Wrong is wrong. You make a GREAT point for an argument I have had for YEARS;
NO ONE under the age of THIRTY should be allowed to vote AND it should be MANDATORY that EVERYONE who votes has passed a CIVICS Exam! I am certain that I mentioned in previous posts that MOST voters would not know an ISSUE from a TISSUE! These fine folks you mentioned most certainly understand the platform of the Democratic Liberal Left , though...right?
I am shocked at your response, DC! Mainly because of what I recall are your "Christian" beliefs! It would occur to me that you would be much more concerned with the religious right agenda that will now be packed away and stored until this liberal uprising has been quelled. The "baby killers" are loose in the country, man!!! Mosques will be in a neighborhood near you!!! Christ was just a guy that ran into a bit of bad luck with a piece of wood and the Romans! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you get my point.
I made another point to say, at the beginning of one of my posts, that I believe there is nothing much to be said because he has not done anything yet! I still believe that. I said it once and will say it again, I do NOT knock the man that leads my team. I wish him the best. I did NOT vote for him but that is fine. I will reserve my kudos for an accomplishment or two. Winning this election on the backs of disingenuous blacks, frustrated adults with NO clue and children in baggy pants is nothing to cheer about!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 2:35:13 AM
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:53:34 AM
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:49:55 AM
That is true, but as I said, I dont see it as a matter of knowing, rather as a matter of being entitled to something. I mean, lets face it, most people dont really take a great interest in politics. But most people are in one way or the other supporting the state apparatus. Now, if they have to, then I think its only right that they get to choose who leads it. Those things actualy are mutualy inclusive for the most part. I mean, its not like you have to understand politics very well to know which side represents what at a certain time.
Actualy George bush was elected because of your weird electing system. And thats something that I wanted to ask to. What all this stuff with electoral votes? Why not just count all the voters votes and determine the winner? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:22:56 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I understand, DC. No worries.
Strat, as usual you make some very salient points. My problem with what you say is this;
Rights and duties are fine. Just because one comes of age does NOT mean one is capable of making decisions as an adult. Just because we "treat" eighteen year olds as adults and they can work and pay taxes and fight in a war does NOT mean they understand politics. So often, people use that silly argument, "Well, if you can fight a war, you should be able to drink, vote, own a gun..whatever..." These things are NOT mutually inclusive!! That is ridiculous. Just because I wear a swimsuit does NOT mean I can swim!!! The "right" to vote is fine. It is part of our Constitution and I accept that but that does NOT mean I AGREE with it!
George Bush was elected because he was the BETTER man. (OH boy..I can hear the haters typing on their keyboards now!!! HA!!) That does not mean it was the RIGHT choice. The "changes" in our voters to which you refer do not include intelligence. Bush was unpopular, I agree. He made mistakes, I agree. I still back him. I will back the new man WHEN he takes office.
Influencing politics would best be served by actually being a politician, as far as I can see. But, as voters, we are very limited in what we can do. And because the majority of our public ARE morons, we get what we get. They do NOT "think for themselves". They believe what "Oprah" tells them! If we were to require EVERY voter to REALLY KNOW what he/she is doing , rather than just being "of age", the influence would be greater and the results better. That , my friend, is MY "humble opinion".
stratlover wrote:
Well, that is the immpression that I got. I apologise if it isnt true, as you say.
But in any case, yes, it is true, people do learn more as they get older. But this isnt exactly a question of knowledge and experiences. Its a question of rights and duties. In most countries in the world 18 is the age at which people get
officialy treated as adults. Some already go to work at that age and pay taxes so that people like your president or my prime minister can have their wages. Some go to college, but by the mid 20s most work and pay taxes. We all get treated as adults when we are accused of breaking the law. The male half is subject to draft and military service. But we also get rights, and the right to vote is among them. Imo, if we set the age limit for the rights to 30, we should also set the age limit for duties to the same age. Otherwise there will be a generation of people who will have the same duties as their elders, but they wont have the same right to influence politics, that in turn influence our everyday lives.
Now about intelligence... Granted, I dont really know much about an average American voter, but if the vast majority of them are idiots and mindless drones who vote the same as Oprah (and at least on her I can agree, I hate her and her stupid show), how did George Bush win two elections in a row? There have clearly been changes in your voting public, and there are clearly people who voted Obama, that used to vote Bush. And judging by the results, there are a lot of them. It goes to show that there are a lot of people out there who can think for themselves.
As far as Obamas skin colour goes... Well, I agree, who gives a fuck. Apart from the KKK, but they are the least of his problems now.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh strat! You know me better than that! My comments had NOTHING to do with the election results (whether or not McCain was the better choice). Doesn't anyone actually read what I write??
First, the reason I use that age is because people really do learn as they grow older. Experience is an incredible asset, my friend. I have never said that all young people are clueless. Take yourself, for example. A very intelligent young man. I am speaking in generalities because, the sad fact is, you do not need intelligence to qualify to vote. The vast majority of the voting public are mindless drones that drool when phonies like Oprah Winfrey speak. They have NO idea what an issue is OR what their "party" stands for. Which leads me to my second response,
I do not believe that any one particular party is right on every issue. I do not always agree with the "right wing" agenda, my friend. I am just wise enough to know that the "system" is NOT going to change in MY lifetime. I also have enough sense to see that Obama has NOT "brought us together" any more or less than any other president-elect! That is absolute HOGWASH. He has done NOTHING but win an election. Nothing. The fact that he is a blackman is irrelevant to me. All of that is hype propogated by the Democratic party in a lame attempt to paint this person as something "larger than life" prior to earning it. Typical smoke and mirrors politics. "Oh look at how he has broken barriers.." "Oh see how he has united the public"... BS!!!!!!! He won an election. Nothing more. Has he made it further than any other blackman in politics? Of course. Does that mean something to some people, apparently. For all the talk about how he has "transcended racial barriers", they sure like to keep reminding us of his color, don't they??
I am not bitter, strat. The vote is in and I will back the president when he takes office. When he finally DOES something as a president, I will comment on that.
(Quoting Message by stratlover from Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:24:55 AM)
stratlover wrote:
Aha. So, what exactly does happen at the age of thirty to change a person from someone who should not be allowed to vote, to someone who should be? And what would those exams look like? "Whats better, left or right?" Sorry Freeze, but I cant escape the feeling that you wouldnt be saying all this about Obama and his supporters if McCain had won.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ohhhhhboy...........
To begin with, my comment was NOT meant racially. Everyone here knows my feeling on race relations! It was and remains a comment on the youth mentality of our nation. And I could not care less what the "law" says, an 18 year old is a child! As for "many older , white folk", you made the color distinction, not me. I could not care less what color a person is. Wrong is wrong. You make a GREAT point for an argument I have had for YEARS;
NO ONE under the age of THIRTY should be allowed to vote AND it should be MANDATORY that EVERYONE who votes has passed a CIVICS Exam! I am certain that I mentioned in previous posts that MOST voters would not know an ISSUE from a TISSUE! These fine folks you mentioned most certainly understand the platform of the Democratic Liberal Left , though...right?
I am shocked at your response, DC! Mainly because of what I recall are your "Christian" beliefs! It would occur to me that you would be much more concerned with the religious right agenda that will now be packed away and stored until this liberal uprising has been quelled. The "baby killers" are loose in the country, man!!! Mosques will be in a neighborhood near you!!! Christ was just a guy that ran into a bit of bad luck with a piece of wood and the Romans! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you get my point.
I made another point to say, at the beginning of one of my posts, that I believe there is nothing much to be said because he has not done anything yet! I still believe that. I said it once and will say it again, I do NOT knock the man that leads my team. I wish him the best. I did NOT vote for him but that is fine. I will reserve my kudos for an accomplishment or two. Winning this election on the backs of disingenuous blacks, frustrated adults with NO clue and children in baggy pants is nothing to cheer about!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 2:35:13 AM
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:53:34 AM
Lol, no I think that your next president should be allright... As much as a politician can ever be "allright". If it was Sarah Palin as the Vicepresident, I guess that Russian missiles would already be flying towards her belowed Alaska. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by DemonCat from Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:14:56 AM)
DemonCat wrote:
I'm sure it'll work out somehow. I wish you the best next year in getting into college. Sorry you didn't get in this year.
So what do you think...have we taken a closer step towards armageddon?
stratlover wrote:
Well, Im sorry to hear that. I hope you get through allright.
Well, Im fine. Graduated, failed to get into a college, so Im working for a year and trying again next year.
DemonCat wrote:
Nah, too much worry. I simply couldn't stop wondering how I'm going to pay my bills this month. How have you been?
stratlover wrote:
Aha, to much coffee? Well, its good to be back, and good to see you again as well.
DemonCat wrote:
I wasn't up early, but rather...I was awake late. 'Til 4 a.m. Good to see you again Strat!
stratlover wrote:
Wow! Youre up early!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
Well, Im sorry to hear that. I hope you get through allright.
Well, Im fine. Graduated, failed to get into a college, so Im working for a year and trying again next year. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by DemonCat from Saturday, November 08, 2008 11:08:18 AM)
DemonCat wrote:
Nah, too much worry. I simply couldn't stop wondering how I'm going to pay my bills this month. How have you been?
stratlover wrote:
Aha, to much coffee? Well, its good to be back, and good to see you again as well.
DemonCat wrote:
I wasn't up early, but rather...I was awake late. 'Til 4 a.m. Good to see you again Strat!
stratlover wrote:
Wow! Youre up early!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
I wasn't up early, but rather...I was awake late. 'Til 4 a.m. Good to see you again Strat!
stratlover wrote:
Wow! Youre up early!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
Well, that is the immpression that I got. I apologise if it isnt true, as you say.
But in any case, yes, it is true, people do learn more as they get older. But this isnt exactly a question of knowledge and experiences. Its a question of rights and duties. In most countries in the world 18 is the age at which people get
officialy treated as adults. Some already go to work at that age and pay taxes so that people like your president or my prime minister can have their wages. Some go to college, but by the mid 20s most work and pay taxes. We all get treated as adults when we are accused of breaking the law. The male half is subject to draft and military service. But we also get rights, and the right to vote is among them. Imo, if we set the age limit for the rights to 30, we should also set the age limit for duties to the same age. Otherwise there will be a generation of people who will have the same duties as their elders, but they wont have the same right to influence politics, that in turn influence our everyday lives.
Now about intelligence... Granted, I dont really know much about an average American voter, but if the vast majority of them are idiots and mindless drones who vote the same as Oprah (and at least on her I can agree, I hate her and her stupid show), how did George Bush win two elections in a row? There have clearly been changes in your voting public, and there are clearly people who voted Obama, that used to vote Bush. And judging by the results, there are a lot of them. It goes to show that there are a lot of people out there who can think for themselves.
As far as Obamas skin colour goes... Well, I agree, who gives a fuck. Apart from the KKK, but they are the least of his problems now. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:39:58 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh strat! You know me better than that! My comments had NOTHING to do with the election results (whether or not McCain was the better choice). Doesn't anyone actually read what I write??
First, the reason I use that age is because people really do learn as they grow older. Experience is an incredible asset, my friend. I have never said that all young people are clueless. Take yourself, for example. A very intelligent young man. I am speaking in generalities because, the sad fact is, you do not need intelligence to qualify to vote. The vast majority of the voting public are mindless drones that drool when phonies like Oprah Winfrey speak. They have NO idea what an issue is OR what their "party" stands for. Which leads me to my second response,
I do not believe that any one particular party is right on every issue. I do not always agree with the "right wing" agenda, my friend. I am just wise enough to know that the "system" is NOT going to change in MY lifetime. I also have enough sense to see that Obama has NOT "brought us together" any more or less than any other president-elect! That is absolute HOGWASH. He has done NOTHING but win an election. Nothing. The fact that he is a blackman is irrelevant to me. All of that is hype propogated by the Democratic party in a lame attempt to paint this person as something "larger than life" prior to earning it. Typical smoke and mirrors politics. "Oh look at how he has broken barriers.." "Oh see how he has united the public"... BS!!!!!!! He won an election. Nothing more. Has he made it further than any other blackman in politics? Of course. Does that mean something to some people, apparently. For all the talk about how he has "transcended racial barriers", they sure like to keep reminding us of his color, don't they??
I am not bitter, strat. The vote is in and I will back the president when he takes office. When he finally DOES something as a president, I will comment on that.
(Quoting Message by stratlover from Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:24:55 AM)
stratlover wrote:
Aha. So, what exactly does happen at the age of thirty to change a person from someone who should not be allowed to vote, to someone who should be? And what would those exams look like? "Whats better, left or right?" Sorry Freeze, but I cant escape the feeling that you wouldnt be saying all this about Obama and his supporters if McCain had won.
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ohhhhhboy...........
To begin with, my comment was NOT meant racially. Everyone here knows my feeling on race relations! It was and remains a comment on the youth mentality of our nation. And I could not care less what the "law" says, an 18 year old is a child! As for "many older , white folk", you made the color distinction, not me. I could not care less what color a person is. Wrong is wrong. You make a GREAT point for an argument I have had for YEARS;
NO ONE under the age of THIRTY should be allowed to vote AND it should be MANDATORY that EVERYONE who votes has passed a CIVICS Exam! I am certain that I mentioned in previous posts that MOST voters would not know an ISSUE from a TISSUE! These fine folks you mentioned most certainly understand the platform of the Democratic Liberal Left , though...right?
I am shocked at your response, DC! Mainly because of what I recall are your "Christian" beliefs! It would occur to me that you would be much more concerned with the religious right agenda that will now be packed away and stored until this liberal uprising has been quelled. The "baby killers" are loose in the country, man!!! Mosques will be in a neighborhood near you!!! Christ was just a guy that ran into a bit of bad luck with a piece of wood and the Romans! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you get my point.
I made another point to say, at the beginning of one of my posts, that I believe there is nothing much to be said because he has not done anything yet! I still believe that. I said it once and will say it again, I do NOT knock the man that leads my team. I wish him the best. I did NOT vote for him but that is fine. I will reserve my kudos for an accomplishment or two. Winning this election on the backs of disingenuous blacks, frustrated adults with NO clue and children in baggy pants is nothing to cheer about!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 2:35:13 AM
Edited at: Saturday, November 08, 2008 10:53:34 AM
Aha. So, what exactly does happen at the age of thirty to change a person from someone who should not be allowed to vote, to someone who should be? And what would those exams look like? "Whats better, left or right?" Sorry Freeze, but I cant escape the feeling that you wouldnt be saying all this about Obama and his supporters if McCain had won. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:20:46 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Ohhhhhboy...........
To begin with, my comment was NOT meant racially. Everyone here knows my feeling on race relations! It was and remains a comment on the youth mentality of our nation. And I could not care less what the "law" says, an 18 year old is a child! As for "many older , white folk", you made the color distinction, not me. I could not care less what color a person is. Wrong is wrong. You make a GREAT point for an argument I have had for YEARS;
NO ONE under the age of THIRTY should be allowed to vote AND it should be MANDATORY that EVERYONE who votes has passed a CIVICS Exam! I am certain that I mentioned in previous posts that MOST voters would not know an ISSUE from a TISSUE! These fine folks you mentioned most certainly understand the platform of the Democratic Liberal Left , though...right?
I am shocked at your response, DC! Mainly because of what I recall are your "Christian" beliefs! It would occur to me that you would be much more concerned with the religious right agenda that will now be packed away and stored until this liberal uprising has been quelled. The "baby killers" are loose in the country, man!!! Mosques will be in a neighborhood near you!!! Christ was just a guy that ran into a bit of bad luck with a piece of wood and the Romans! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think you get my point.
I made another point to say, at the beginning of one of my posts, that I believe there is nothing much to be said because he has not done anything yet! I still believe that. I said it once and will say it again, I do NOT knock the man that leads my team. I wish him the best. I did NOT vote for him but that is fine. I will reserve my kudos for an accomplishment or two. Winning this election on the backs of disingenuous blacks, frustrated adults with NO clue and children in baggy pants is nothing to cheer about!
DemonCat wrote:
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
"As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote."
I know plenty of intelligent, elderly, white folk that voted for Obama ( who never heard of P Diddy, or Snoop Dog), but rather, because they were sick-and-tired, of Republican "answers" to the U.S.'s problems! It was proven across this great Nation by the number of Senate leaders, and Congressmen that were voted in to the appropriate offices. People over the age of 18 aren't considered "children"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give Obama his CUDOS for bringing young MEN, and WOMEN to realize their worth at the voting booth, and proving that their voice/vote DOES count!
Reguardless of what any of us think at this juncture in time,...we will ALL have to take a "wait, and see" mentality...to see, if any of the campaign promises will become reality. Let us all just take the moment to embrace to significant historical step this Nation has taken towards the future of true democracy, and the dream that many of us hold dear to our hearts as to what it means for ALL humans regardless of color, and background!
Now enough of the "racial" bullshit. I, and many voted for Obama, because he was the better candidate! NUFF SAID!!!!! (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:49:38 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I realize there will be wide and varied opinon regarding the result of this election. You all know where I stand and I make no bones about it. Having said this, I also realize that this Thread is for discussion. It was created to inspire debate. Darryn fully intended to challenge us as thinking individuals, not just "Metal-heads".Sometimes we rant here, sometimes we muse. Sometimes we argue, sometimes we agree. But this room always gives me something to ponder when I am done.
I feel this morning alot like I did when Clinton was first elected. I am disappointed, surely. I am not angry. I am a bit sad and I am certainly concerned but not angry. The real problem this morning is, the new president has not done anything to warrant debate yet! All we are able to do now is offer conjecture. What might happen. I guess that is a reason to chat but I do not see much debate in it at this point.
I will not rail against the other party. I do not believe that will be constructive and I am not a poor loser. More importantly, I do NOT knock the captain of the team on which I play. I may not have voted for him, but you will never hear me make nasty comments about the US President while he is in office. I did not do it to Carter nor Clinton and Iwon't do it now.I do not see that as productive and certainly not wise. We as a country should always stand as one. That is something the "other side" has never learned.
As for why I am sad, there is a very good reason. John McCain is an American hero. A real-live hero. He was captured by the enemy, tortured. Refused to be a tool for propaganda (Right, Jane??) and endured hell for love of this great nation. And what did this country do? They turned their collective backs on him and picked a "rock star". So be it. As I have said over and over the last year or two, this is what happens when we have a voting public that looks to the likes of someone that calls himself "P Diddy" or "Snoop" for their direction. This is NOT Obama's fault, this is the fault of allowing idiots and children to vote.
Otherwise, then he or she might as well walk accorss the chamber floor and align him or herself with the opposite party.
Well, yeah, that would be the best thing to do, but try telling the politicians about it.
The problem with having a democracy with political parties is that it stereotypes people who have similar but not identical views (makes similar people look identical when it comes to political views). There are dissidents in every party, and practicly every political party in the world has its own subdivisions, as to which members are more right, left, pacifist, militant, proggressive, conservative, etc. Imo, only a party that is reasonably unanimous in the major issues can make any headroads. The answer would be just to have as many parties as possible to ensure as much plurality as possible, but that would lead to more bickering, as the power would have to be shared between more people. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:46:37 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Here is my reasoning. You have a Republican that is more...Democratic than Right-Wing. And then you have a Democrat that is more Right Wing then leftist. Saying this.....how on earth can anyting be accomplished when you have such strong views as is the Red-stateb Blue-state logic....but yet you have elected individuals that neither represent a soft or hard line on either side. And similar members on this same side.....that are not quite as committed? I'm not sure if my point came accross in an understandable manner. But if you have too many points of view within a given party that are in conflict with each other, how can the party make any headroads? I'm not suggesting that the Majority or Minority whip stifles progress. Nor am I suggesting that independent votes cripple the party's stance and principle. However, what I am concluding is that within a given party, each individual must mainatain some form of allegiance with the party that he has alligned with and has achieved membership with. Otherwise, then he or she might as well walk accorss the chamber floor and align him or herself with the opposite party. I hope I got my point accross.
a. Hammerstein Edited at: Thursday, November 06, 2008 4:56:00 PM
So... Wanna talk about the new album? Why not in this thread? Lets talk about Nostradamus in this thread, so there will be 13. A lucky number. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:33:07 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
Yes, HB. Only twelve. And that is if you trust my crappy math which, in this agitated state, could certainly be inaccurate!! TWELVE! What the hell is wrong with people???? I am nearing my wit's end!!!! I am going to lose what little mind I have remaining!
Look, I am asking...begging..pleading..EMPLORING the members here that have ANY brains left in their collective heads to PLEASE, PLEASE just STOP posting in these idiotic Threads! If we get together and just REFUSE to post in them, they will go away! It has worked before!! In the name of all that is SACRED!!! PLEASE stop the friggin MADNESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Head banger wrote:
only 12. come on, how can we get the convo truly disjointed with only 12 threads?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You REALLY want to know what is PISSING ME OFF??!?!?!?!?!? Huh?? Do you?? Huh?? We now have TWELVE FREAKING NOSTRADAMUS THREADS!!! TWELVE!!!!! What the HELL is wrong with these MORONS????????????? AAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!!!!!! Twelve Threads on the SAME GOD D**** THING???!?!?!?!?!?!?!???? By Satan's Beard, I HATE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And so it shall be, my Lord. I shall wire the money forthwith. Please post your bank account and routing numbers.......
HHHAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Aha, so thats the way of it...
You are forgiven my son. But since you were insolent to correct me, I order you to pay a fine of 1000$. Me, your lord, comands it.
Deep Freeze wrote:
As I most certainly do NOT want to be suspected as part of this 'conspiracy', I will accept your response as the absolute truth and ask your forgiveness for my insolence.
stratlover wrote:
I assure you, strating is quite correct, and if anyone tells you otherwise, they are obviously a part of the infamous anti-me conspiracy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You're right! It IS Somalia...Oh, and by the by, it is staRting.... BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Love ya, strat!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Well, there you have it. Im strating to think that even the "lesser" of two evils is inaccurate.
Oh, and btw. its Somalia, not Somolia.
Deep Freeze wrote:
BS, you are fairly close with your assumption. The term democratic conservative simply relates to a Democrat with conservative views (less government, less taxes, lower spending, less social programs, etc). That is a rather simplistic definition but fairly accurate.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
The terms....Conservative Democrat and Democratic Conservative. Please explain this. Is this right-of-center, or left-of-center governing? This was mentioned a few times on the BBC World yesterday in regards to Obama. Thank you.
a. Hammerstein Edited at: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:58:45 AM
You are forgiven my son. But since you were insolent to correct me, I order you to pay a fine of 1000$. Me, your lord, comands it. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:48:54 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
As I most certainly do NOT want to be suspected as part of this 'conspiracy', I will accept your response as the absolute truth and ask your forgiveness for my insolence.
stratlover wrote:
I assure you, strating is quite correct, and if anyone tells you otherwise, they are obviously a part of the infamous anti-me conspiracy.
Deep Freeze wrote:
You're right! It IS Somalia...Oh, and by the by, it is staRting.... BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Love ya, strat!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Well, there you have it. Im strating to think that even the "lesser" of two evils is inaccurate.
Oh, and btw. its Somalia, not Somolia.
Deep Freeze wrote:
BS, you are fairly close with your assumption. The term democratic conservative simply relates to a Democrat with conservative views (less government, less taxes, lower spending, less social programs, etc). That is a rather simplistic definition but fairly accurate.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
The terms....Conservative Democrat and Democratic Conservative. Please explain this. Is this right-of-center, or left-of-center governing? This was mentioned a few times on the BBC World yesterday in regards to Obama. Thank you.
a. Hammerstein Edited at: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:58:45 AM
I assure you, strating is quite correct, and if anyone tells you otherwise, they are obviously a part of the infamous anti-me conspiracy. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:21:28 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You're right! It IS Somalia...Oh, and by the by, it is staRting.... BWWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Love ya, strat!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Well, there you have it. Im strating to think that even the "lesser" of two evils is inaccurate.
Oh, and btw. its Somalia, not Somolia.
Deep Freeze wrote:
BS, you are fairly close with your assumption. The term democratic conservative simply relates to a Democrat with conservative views (less government, less taxes, lower spending, less social programs, etc). That is a rather simplistic definition but fairly accurate.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
The terms....Conservative Democrat and Democratic Conservative. Please explain this. Is this right-of-center, or left-of-center governing? This was mentioned a few times on the BBC World yesterday in regards to Obama. Thank you.
a. Hammerstein Edited at: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:58:45 AM
Well, there you have it. Im strating to think that even the "lesser" of two evils is inaccurate.
Oh, and btw. its Somalia, not Somolia. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, November 06, 2008 11:04:15 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BS, you are fairly close with your assumption. The term democratic conservative simply relates to a Democrat with conservative views (less government, less taxes, lower spending, less social programs, etc). That is a rather simplistic definition but fairly accurate.
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
The terms....Conservative Democrat and Democratic Conservative. Please explain this. Is this right-of-center, or left-of-center governing? This was mentioned a few times on the BBC World yesterday in regards to Obama. Thank you.
a. Hammerstein Edited at: Thursday, November 06, 2008 10:58:45 AM
Im suprised that anyone ever knew what its about... I certainly dont know it [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kmac from Friday, October 17, 2008 12:10:19 PM)
kmac wrote:
Hey guys just thought i would pop in say hi lol
Nice to see all the people still hanging in this thread lol i dunno what its even about anymore
so yea , thats all i guess, take care miss u guys :)
Well, yeah, true enough, but there was that thing in Belgium, when Hamilton lost a victory because of FIA, and in my opinion that wasnt right. Anyway, it was another great season, and I just love it that for the first time since Vilineuve my favourite won the championship :). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Monday, November 03, 2008 10:16:55 AM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Hats off to Hamilton. He had a great season and was solid throughout. I do find it ironic that Ferrari wins the Constructor's Championship and from my point of view they are the ones that cost Massa the Driver's Championship. Between engine reliability ( or lack of ) and that stupid lighted release system for pit stops I can come up with at least 3 potential victories lost that had nothing to do with Massa himself.
Obama is a liberal if anything. Calling him a socialist is as ignorant as rightists can get. If a socialist would win the US elections, well then I might even congratulate them. But they did pick the lesser of two evils, thats a start, if nothing else. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Wednesday, November 05, 2008 4:30:22 PM)
BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote:
Socialist? I thought this was a positive step forward for your country? A man with principle, that could see past the color barriers. And someone that, as he put it, was willing to overlook the Red-state Blue-state logic. Why is this a bad thing?
a. Hammerstein
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Okay...the socialist won. We're doomed. Check back with me in about 3 years if you think I'm kidding.
Sad to say, but there will be vulgarity. Every now and then. But we take care of such cases regulary, so no worry.
Anyway, welcome. You and whoever else is new. Hope you make it to the general forum soon. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by gella from Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:22:21 PM)
gella wrote:
Hello Melissa2008 I'm very new here myself and so far the folks in here have been nice to me but hey they are judas priest fans it's pretty strick in here-no vulgarity so far. again WELCOME
They were his eggs, and he doesnt like you for eating them:
No wonder they gave you an upset stomach! It was divine intervention!
Oh, and no, I cant eat lunch and type at the same time. I found out long ago that spaghetti sauce is very hard to clean from the keyboard. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:36:56 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWAAAHAHAHAHAA!!! It was Eggs Benedict, not Benedictine!!!! HAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! Gave me an upset stomach, too!! HA!!!!!!!! So you cannot type and eat lunch at the same time, huh? Too bad! I will try to catch you later!!!
Good morning! I made an extraordinary deed of waking up before noon on saturday. Surely that must count for something?
In any case, its almost lunchtime here, so I wont be able to stay. See you later (I hope). Enjoy the popes eggs or the presidents bacon, or whatever you will be eating today... [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:52:18 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
A happy and very early Saturday to all. I could not sleep so here I am at barely 3:30 AM. Very quiet around here this time of the morning. I guess I could "back read" a bit? Perhaps some members have done an extraordinary deed or two for which they have not been properly beatified? HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Heh, I speak only a little bit of German, not enough to make out what he is singing, but I see that this is obviously what Germans call "schlager", which is basicly music for pensioners, who dont know any better music than this shit.
Makes me think that the Russians havent kicked their asses hard enough! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, October 31, 2008 5:17:24 PM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Oh lord!!! While I don't speak German, I do speak Spanish and Portuguese. Not only is it bad but he is confusing the two AND misspelling it as well. "Caramba" and "Olé" are Spanish and while "caralho" IS Portuguese, it is misspelled! LOL!!!
I MUST send this along to some of my Brazilian friends who will die laughing at this one. Thanks, Strat! (Quoting Message by stratlover from Friday, October 31, 2008 11:38:01 AM)
stratlover wrote:
Dont just look... Listen to the sissy German boy. And piss yourself laughing. Like I did.
Yeah it does. Lochness for the win! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Where AmI from Friday, October 31, 2008 11:35:37 AM)
Where AmI wrote:
No, it doesn't rule. The lyrics don't agree with the melody. It made a decent album into a joke and that song along dissapointed me somewhat for its pomposity. I began to doubt their capability to churn out a good, solid, metal album because it gave me the impression that the lyricist, song writers in the band had lost the ability to make kick-ass songs that appeal to their audience under the banner of JUDAS PRIEST.
Enjoy your breakfast. You will explain why are you eating popes eggs some other time. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, October 31, 2008 9:09:00 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I understand HB. It is ALWAYS good to be going home!!!! I'm afraid I must leave for awhile myself. The Princess and her sister want me to make Eggs Benedict for breakfast and we will be dining "al fresco" out on the balcony this beautiful morning!!! I shall check in later!!!!!!!
Oh? Well, I can understand that. I do not watch a lot of movies at all. I simply do not have any interest in them. Halloween is kind of special so I make the exception!
Strat? Oh Straaaaat??? Where did he go???????????
(Quoting Message by devils_child from Friday, October 31, 2008 8:54:21 AM)
devils_child wrote:
I'm more of an action movie fan, Although i do enjoy a good scare every now and then..
Deep Freeze wrote:
I enjoy watching horror movies (although not to the degree Soy does!!) and there are plenty of them available today and this evening so I will be watching them. The Princess is going to her sister's house for a Halloween party (dropping off her son, actually) so it is a well planned day for us!
devils_child wrote:
Sounds good.. It's not a big celebration here, but my uncles a horror fan so he decorated the house with all sorts.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!! You're too kind. We are just starting the day here in Vegas! Ghosts and goblins will surely be arriving soon!!!!!!
Hey, when did you get so mean? Wheres the sweet little HB I remember?!?!?!? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, October 31, 2008 8:57:38 AM)
Head banger wrote:
sure, but we were expecting 6 months
stratlover wrote:
Lol, now youre really overreacting. Its been less than two days.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STRAT!!! You have returned!!! Wonderful to see you!!!!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Or maybe another "Deep vs. Freeze" thread?
Head banger wrote:
Ha. I too will confer all glory that was transfered to me inadvertently! perhaps we should create a glory deserved thread?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Incredibly interesting. If I am to understand VOM correctly, he feels that he and Phantom did all the dirty work and "everyone" else simply patted themselves on the back?? Ah! I see. Well, I can only speak for myself and I saw someone that was using this Board as a peronal vendetta forum so I addressed it. I readily admit that I did not ask him why he was doing it, since it was irrelevant. I did receive a couple PMs from Susan so does that qualify me for any prizes???
I was never interested, nor am I now, in receiving some kind of credit or accolades for the effort of others. There is no need for me to know "the whole story" as it was of little consequence to me. My concern remains with this Board and its membership. If one of our members is being attacked, there are MANY members that will stand up and say something about it. That is what we do here. We are family.
I will make a personal apology to anyone who feels as though I stepped in "at the end" and tried to grab some perceived "glory". Further, I will defer any and all of said glory (and all awards which surely will follow) to those that feel they are the true "heroes" in all of this. I do not wish to take that moment from them. Well done, gentlemen.
Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:15:08 AM Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:30:33 AM
Really? That great. Another tribute album, or are you going to record your own stuff? And is MM still your guitarist? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, October 31, 2008 8:21:54 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!! You saw that, huh?? Well, we are getting ready to record the new album. I am very excited about that.
Sorry for the delay! SLOW internet!!!!
(Quoting Message by stratlover from Friday, October 31, 2008 8:11:07 AM)
stratlover wrote:
Aha... Ok. Well, nice to see you as well... All of you.
SO, what have you been up to, aside from fighting n00bs?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Oh my friend, never an overreaction where true friends are involved! A day, a week, a minute. It makes no difference!
stratlover wrote:
Lol, now youre really overreacting. Its been less than two days.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STRAT!!! You have returned!!! Wonderful to see you!!!!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Or maybe another "Deep vs. Freeze" thread?
Head banger wrote:
Ha. I too will confer all glory that was transfered to me inadvertently! perhaps we should create a glory deserved thread?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Incredibly interesting. If I am to understand VOM correctly, he feels that he and Phantom did all the dirty work and "everyone" else simply patted themselves on the back?? Ah! I see. Well, I can only speak for myself and I saw someone that was using this Board as a peronal vendetta forum so I addressed it. I readily admit that I did not ask him why he was doing it, since it was irrelevant. I did receive a couple PMs from Susan so does that qualify me for any prizes???
I was never interested, nor am I now, in receiving some kind of credit or accolades for the effort of others. There is no need for me to know "the whole story" as it was of little consequence to me. My concern remains with this Board and its membership. If one of our members is being attacked, there are MANY members that will stand up and say something about it. That is what we do here. We are family.
I will make a personal apology to anyone who feels as though I stepped in "at the end" and tried to grab some perceived "glory". Further, I will defer any and all of said glory (and all awards which surely will follow) to those that feel they are the true "heroes" in all of this. I do not wish to take that moment from them. Well done, gentlemen.
Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:15:08 AM Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:30:33 AM
Oh my friend, never an overreaction where true friends are involved! A day, a week, a minute. It makes no difference!
stratlover wrote:
Lol, now youre really overreacting. Its been less than two days.
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STRAT!!! You have returned!!! Wonderful to see you!!!!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Or maybe another "Deep vs. Freeze" thread?
Head banger wrote:
Ha. I too will confer all glory that was transfered to me inadvertently! perhaps we should create a glory deserved thread?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Incredibly interesting. If I am to understand VOM correctly, he feels that he and Phantom did all the dirty work and "everyone" else simply patted themselves on the back?? Ah! I see. Well, I can only speak for myself and I saw someone that was using this Board as a peronal vendetta forum so I addressed it. I readily admit that I did not ask him why he was doing it, since it was irrelevant. I did receive a couple PMs from Susan so does that qualify me for any prizes???
I was never interested, nor am I now, in receiving some kind of credit or accolades for the effort of others. There is no need for me to know "the whole story" as it was of little consequence to me. My concern remains with this Board and its membership. If one of our members is being attacked, there are MANY members that will stand up and say something about it. That is what we do here. We are family.
I will make a personal apology to anyone who feels as though I stepped in "at the end" and tried to grab some perceived "glory". Further, I will defer any and all of said glory (and all awards which surely will follow) to those that feel they are the true "heroes" in all of this. I do not wish to take that moment from them. Well done, gentlemen.
Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:15:08 AM Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:30:33 AM
Lol, now youre really overreacting. Its been less than two days. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, October 31, 2008 8:01:08 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! STRAT!!! You have returned!!! Wonderful to see you!!!!!!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Or maybe another "Deep vs. Freeze" thread?
Head banger wrote:
Ha. I too will confer all glory that was transfered to me inadvertently! perhaps we should create a glory deserved thread?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Incredibly interesting. If I am to understand VOM correctly, he feels that he and Phantom did all the dirty work and "everyone" else simply patted themselves on the back?? Ah! I see. Well, I can only speak for myself and I saw someone that was using this Board as a peronal vendetta forum so I addressed it. I readily admit that I did not ask him why he was doing it, since it was irrelevant. I did receive a couple PMs from Susan so does that qualify me for any prizes???
I was never interested, nor am I now, in receiving some kind of credit or accolades for the effort of others. There is no need for me to know "the whole story" as it was of little consequence to me. My concern remains with this Board and its membership. If one of our members is being attacked, there are MANY members that will stand up and say something about it. That is what we do here. We are family.
I will make a personal apology to anyone who feels as though I stepped in "at the end" and tried to grab some perceived "glory". Further, I will defer any and all of said glory (and all awards which surely will follow) to those that feel they are the true "heroes" in all of this. I do not wish to take that moment from them. Well done, gentlemen.
Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:15:08 AM Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:30:33 AM
Or maybe another "Deep vs. Freeze" thread? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:33:02 PM)
Head banger wrote:
Ha. I too will confer all glory that was transfered to me inadvertently! perhaps we should create a glory deserved thread?
Deep Freeze wrote:
Incredibly interesting. If I am to understand VOM correctly, he feels that he and Phantom did all the dirty work and "everyone" else simply patted themselves on the back?? Ah! I see. Well, I can only speak for myself and I saw someone that was using this Board as a peronal vendetta forum so I addressed it. I readily admit that I did not ask him why he was doing it, since it was irrelevant. I did receive a couple PMs from Susan so does that qualify me for any prizes???
I was never interested, nor am I now, in receiving some kind of credit or accolades for the effort of others. There is no need for me to know "the whole story" as it was of little consequence to me. My concern remains with this Board and its membership. If one of our members is being attacked, there are MANY members that will stand up and say something about it. That is what we do here. We are family.
I will make a personal apology to anyone who feels as though I stepped in "at the end" and tried to grab some perceived "glory". Further, I will defer any and all of said glory (and all awards which surely will follow) to those that feel they are the true "heroes" in all of this. I do not wish to take that moment from them. Well done, gentlemen.
Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:15:08 AM Edited at: Thursday, October 30, 2008 8:30:33 AM
Yeah, I see... Tho I must say that the assholes of old were a lot better. Where are the Fatman Rick impersonators?!?!?! Id love to see them again...
Well, its good to be back... Once in a while. Im affraid I wont be around long. Im at work, coounting the minutes till its over and I can go home (24 min and counting down...).
Oh strat, you know how it is. There are a multitude of cretins in the world. Very big talkers when hiding behind a computer, but so very small in the world. (Penis envy, I believe it is termed??) I am thankful you have returned! It is good to see you!
Child, Murray will act soon enough and it will be removed. I can assure you of that. Keep using that "Offensive" button.
(Quoting Message by stratlover from Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:29:55 AM)
stratlover wrote:
Wow. Dont fall off your chair... Was I really that long gone? What is going on here? When did we get the new asshole?
Deep Freeze wrote:
STRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So good to see you!! I have missed you, my friend!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Are you kidding?!?!?! We wont be allowed to swear... ever again!
devils_child wrote:
I see the problem still remains.... I think this noticeboard should have mods.. and i vote we make Freeze head mod - He'd get the job done, and fast!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!! I try to avoid them both!!!!!
Darth, my friend. Please do not waste your time on the insignifcant of the world. You are far above it.
(Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:17:15 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Freeze! For God's sake, you're grown man! No crying except at births and funerals.
Well, there is (or was) Murray for the most extreme cases... But frankly, it just never was a big problem, at least as far as I can rememeber. Shitdisturbers came and went, but regulars stayed. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:32:11 AM)
devils_child wrote:
Well at least give some decent person who is on here regularly the power to ban people... The webmaster does nothing. Almost every other forum / noticeboard has some decent level of moderation. ?? why doesn't this one??
Wow. Dont fall off your chair... Was I really that long gone? What is going on here? When did we get the new asshole? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:26:52 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
STRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So good to see you!! I have missed you, my friend!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Are you kidding?!?!?! We wont be allowed to swear... ever again!
devils_child wrote:
I see the problem still remains.... I think this noticeboard should have mods.. and i vote we make Freeze head mod - He'd get the job done, and fast!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!! I try to avoid them both!!!!!
Darth, my friend. Please do not waste your time on the insignifcant of the world. You are far above it.
(Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:17:15 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Freeze! For God's sake, you're grown man! No crying except at births and funerals.
Are you kidding?!?!?! We wont be allowed to swear... ever again! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:23:25 AM)
devils_child wrote:
I see the problem still remains.... I think this noticeboard should have mods.. and i vote we make Freeze head mod - He'd get the job done, and fast!
Deep Freeze wrote:
HA!! I try to avoid them both!!!!!
Darth, my friend. Please do not waste your time on the insignifcant of the world. You are far above it.
(Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Wednesday, October 29, 2008 8:17:15 AM)
Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote:
Freeze! For God's sake, you're grown man! No crying except at births and funerals.
Oh, and Necro looks really cool too. Just that jacket looks too much like mine. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, October 07, 2008 10:23:46 AM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
GREAT look, Necro!!! You are about my age!! Wonderful!! I am NOT alone! HAHAHAHAA!!!!!!
Ahhh...no wonder why my car is such a chick MAGNET!
stratlover wrote:
Ive heard that it is the size of the car that determines the size of the gear. The bigger the car - the smaller the penis.
kit kat wrote:
I heard that the size of a penis is determined by the distance between the thumb and the index finger. The shoe size is a myth. Edited at: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:34:54 PM
IDK about that. I only heard about the cars making the difference. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kit kat from Friday, September 19, 2008 4:32:43 PM)
kit kat wrote:
Men who own big material things are trying to hide their inadequacy of their maleness?????
stratlover wrote:
Ive heard that it is the size of the car that determines the size of the gear. The bigger the car - the smaller the penis.
kit kat wrote:
I heard that the size of a penis is determined by the distance between the thumb and the index finger. The shoe size is a myth. Edited at: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:34:54 PM
Ive heard that it is the size of the car that determines the size of the gear. The bigger the car - the smaller the penis. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by kit kat from Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:34:25 PM)
kit kat wrote:
I heard that the size of a penis is determined by the distance between the thumb and the index finger. The shoe size is a myth. Edited at: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:34:54 PM
Good. Stay on your toes. Remember I'm an old fart. I had the unenviable experience of living through the 70's and 80's in New England. Got to see all those fighters screaming over my house to meet the Bear bombers coming over the pole. As for the Golden Rule bit, don't worry, you just haven't thought it through far enough yet.
stratlover wrote:
I am absolutely sure, and Im also starting to get a bit suspicious of you.
TIMBONI wrote:
Are you sure ? At least about the whipping part.
stratlover wrote:
I hope that the golden rule doesnt apply to masochists. I sure wouldnt like someone to whip me, or pull out my fingenails or something like that, hoping that I will do the same to him.
TIMBONI wrote:
My theory is that Democracy gives you the freedom to do whatever you want to do . . . until it interferes with someone else's right to do whatever they want to do. Think about it. Do you have the right to kill ? NO, because it interferes with the other person's right to live. Do you have the right to steal ? NO, because it interferes with someone else's right to work hard and earn those things. Etc, etc, etc. It's as simple as "The Golden Rule", do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
yes i agree the US has a very questionable history....
democracy its funny term isnt it...some say its the right to speak out others say its the right to basic needs...
lets not forget if the Soviets had not been on the allied side we would all be under Nazi domination right now...we surely must be greatful for that
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
I Just wanted to add a little more on this subject. What I'm about to say is not aimed at the entire American People.I have nothing against Americans, but those few who are on top of the Ivory Tower Like the Government and Big Business etc. Altough I find what's going on in that region of the World alarming the U.S. is claiming Russia has attacked and Invaded a soveriegn Country ..But what about the United States? They've done that sort of thing countless times in Latin American Countries and other nations around the Globe.They had Fulgencio Batista in power in Cuba who was corrupt as Well the Sha Of Iran who was put in power and Henry Kissinger was quoted as saying " He's a Bastard,But he's our Bastard." They've installed Governments in Countries as long as it suited there domestic interests.Now they're coming to the aid of the Georgians? I didn't exactly see them do that when there was a Genocide going on in a place like Rwanda.I guess there was no Oil Reserves or other natural resources for Big Business to exploit. Just want to close off with what The Late George Carlin stated in his bit called The Owners Of this Country " You're not Free ! You're Owned.The owners of this Country they own you.They own all the important Land they control and own the Major Media outlets and they have The Senate,Judges,Congress all in there back pocket.This Country was bought and paid for a long time ago.They got you by the Balls! It's a Big Exclusive Club and Guess what !..You and Me..We're not in it." This can be said for my country to and others as well.
I am absolutely sure, and Im also starting to get a bit suspicious of you. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:51:44 AM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Are you sure ? At least about the whipping part.
stratlover wrote:
I hope that the golden rule doesnt apply to masochists. I sure wouldnt like someone to whip me, or pull out my fingenails or something like that, hoping that I will do the same to him.
TIMBONI wrote:
My theory is that Democracy gives you the freedom to do whatever you want to do . . . until it interferes with someone else's right to do whatever they want to do. Think about it. Do you have the right to kill ? NO, because it interferes with the other person's right to live. Do you have the right to steal ? NO, because it interferes with someone else's right to work hard and earn those things. Etc, etc, etc. It's as simple as "The Golden Rule", do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
yes i agree the US has a very questionable history....
democracy its funny term isnt it...some say its the right to speak out others say its the right to basic needs...
lets not forget if the Soviets had not been on the allied side we would all be under Nazi domination right now...we surely must be greatful for that
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
I Just wanted to add a little more on this subject. What I'm about to say is not aimed at the entire American People.I have nothing against Americans, but those few who are on top of the Ivory Tower Like the Government and Big Business etc. Altough I find what's going on in that region of the World alarming the U.S. is claiming Russia has attacked and Invaded a soveriegn Country ..But what about the United States? They've done that sort of thing countless times in Latin American Countries and other nations around the Globe.They had Fulgencio Batista in power in Cuba who was corrupt as Well the Sha Of Iran who was put in power and Henry Kissinger was quoted as saying " He's a Bastard,But he's our Bastard." They've installed Governments in Countries as long as it suited there domestic interests.Now they're coming to the aid of the Georgians? I didn't exactly see them do that when there was a Genocide going on in a place like Rwanda.I guess there was no Oil Reserves or other natural resources for Big Business to exploit. Just want to close off with what The Late George Carlin stated in his bit called The Owners Of this Country " You're not Free ! You're Owned.The owners of this Country they own you.They own all the important Land they control and own the Major Media outlets and they have The Senate,Judges,Congress all in there back pocket.This Country was bought and paid for a long time ago.They got you by the Balls! It's a Big Exclusive Club and Guess what !..You and Me..We're not in it." This can be said for my country to and others as well.
Well, yeah, that is even worse... Still, even the so-called democracy in the west has a lot of room for improvement. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:50:28 AM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Considering what I'm seeing from the East right now, I think I'd prefer the asylum. I don't care to live under Russia part 2
stratlover wrote:
Well, as far as Im concerned, democracy means that we get to decide on what to do, how to do it, how things are, ect.
Not the thing that is usualy called democracy in the west, when it just basicly means that we get to choose on which lunatic should run the asylum (a government).
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
yes i agree the US has a very questionable history....
democracy its funny term isnt it...some say its the right to speak out others say its the right to basic needs...
lets not forget if the Soviets had not been on the allied side we would all be under Nazi domination right now...we surely must be greatful for that
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
I Just wanted to add a little more on this subject. What I'm about to say is not aimed at the entire American People.I have nothing against Americans, but those few who are on top of the Ivory Tower Like the Government and Big Business etc. Altough I find what's going on in that region of the World alarming the U.S. is claiming Russia has attacked and Invaded a soveriegn Country ..But what about the United States? They've done that sort of thing countless times in Latin American Countries and other nations around the Globe.They had Fulgencio Batista in power in Cuba who was corrupt as Well the Sha Of Iran who was put in power and Henry Kissinger was quoted as saying " He's a Bastard,But he's our Bastard." They've installed Governments in Countries as long as it suited there domestic interests.Now they're coming to the aid of the Georgians? I didn't exactly see them do that when there was a Genocide going on in a place like Rwanda.I guess there was no Oil Reserves or other natural resources for Big Business to exploit. Just want to close off with what The Late George Carlin stated in his bit called The Owners Of this Country " You're not Free ! You're Owned.The owners of this Country they own you.They own all the important Land they control and own the Major Media outlets and they have The Senate,Judges,Congress all in there back pocket.This Country was bought and paid for a long time ago.They got you by the Balls! It's a Big Exclusive Club and Guess what !..You and Me..We're not in it." This can be said for my country to and others as well.
That would be cool. It would also be cool if they would finaly film Hobbit by J.R.R. Tolkien.
There are never enough fantasy movies to go around. Specialy not the good ones. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Palmer Griffiths from Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:51:54 PM)
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
I recently heard that in 2009 Universal is supposed to adapt the books to a motion picture.I don't know how good it would be.I hope it will stay true to the books.
stratlover wrote:
I read "The Fortress of the Pearl" recently, and yeah, its pretty good. A nice idea that I havent seen before, about traveling through someones dream. Oh, and Elric kicks ass, thats for sure.
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
I don't know if anyone here is actually into the fantasy genre of literature but I will Recommend any of Michael Moorcock's books about Elric. Elric of Melnibone/The Fortress of The Pearl/Weird of The White Wolf/Sailor on the seas of fate/The Dream Theifs Daughter etc. Actually I heard Universal Pictures have the Rights and are supposed to make a motion picture for it. There's been talk about it for a while now. Blue Oyster Cult along with Lemmy's old Band Hawkwind did songs about Micheal Moorcock's character Elric. Anyhow folks if you can than check the books out it's not typical Swords and sorcerrey at all. They're some of my Favourites anyway.
I hope that the golden rule doesnt apply to masochists. I sure wouldnt like someone to whip me, or pull out my fingenails or something like that, hoping that I will do the same to him. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Friday, August 29, 2008 10:11:36 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
My theory is that Democracy gives you the freedom to do whatever you want to do . . . until it interferes with someone else's right to do whatever they want to do. Think about it. Do you have the right to kill ? NO, because it interferes with the other person's right to live. Do you have the right to steal ? NO, because it interferes with someone else's right to work hard and earn those things. Etc, etc, etc. It's as simple as "The Golden Rule", do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
yes i agree the US has a very questionable history....
democracy its funny term isnt it...some say its the right to speak out others say its the right to basic needs...
lets not forget if the Soviets had not been on the allied side we would all be under Nazi domination right now...we surely must be greatful for that
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
I Just wanted to add a little more on this subject. What I'm about to say is not aimed at the entire American People.I have nothing against Americans, but those few who are on top of the Ivory Tower Like the Government and Big Business etc. Altough I find what's going on in that region of the World alarming the U.S. is claiming Russia has attacked and Invaded a soveriegn Country ..But what about the United States? They've done that sort of thing countless times in Latin American Countries and other nations around the Globe.They had Fulgencio Batista in power in Cuba who was corrupt as Well the Sha Of Iran who was put in power and Henry Kissinger was quoted as saying " He's a Bastard,But he's our Bastard." They've installed Governments in Countries as long as it suited there domestic interests.Now they're coming to the aid of the Georgians? I didn't exactly see them do that when there was a Genocide going on in a place like Rwanda.I guess there was no Oil Reserves or other natural resources for Big Business to exploit. Just want to close off with what The Late George Carlin stated in his bit called The Owners Of this Country " You're not Free ! You're Owned.The owners of this Country they own you.They own all the important Land they control and own the Major Media outlets and they have The Senate,Judges,Congress all in there back pocket.This Country was bought and paid for a long time ago.They got you by the Balls! It's a Big Exclusive Club and Guess what !..You and Me..We're not in it." This can be said for my country to and others as well.
Well, as far as Im concerned, democracy means that we get to decide on what to do, how to do it, how things are, ect.
Not the thing that is usualy called democracy in the west, when it just basicly means that we get to choose on which lunatic should run the asylum (a government). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Jpz #1 fan from Friday, August 29, 2008 7:00:19 AM)
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
yes i agree the US has a very questionable history....
democracy its funny term isnt it...some say its the right to speak out others say its the right to basic needs...
lets not forget if the Soviets had not been on the allied side we would all be under Nazi domination right now...we surely must be greatful for that
Palmer Griffiths wrote:
I Just wanted to add a little more on this subject. What I'm about to say is not aimed at the entire American People.I have nothing against Americans, but those few who are on top of the Ivory Tower Like the Government and Big Business etc. Altough I find what's going on in that region of the World alarming the U.S. is claiming Russia has attacked and Invaded a soveriegn Country ..But what about the United States? They've done that sort of thing countless times in Latin American Countries and other nations around the Globe.They had Fulgencio Batista in power in Cuba who was corrupt as Well the Sha Of Iran who was put in power and Henry Kissinger was quoted as saying " He's a Bastard,But he's our Bastard." They've installed Governments in Countries as long as it suited there domestic interests.Now they're coming to the aid of the Georgians? I didn't exactly see them do that when there was a Genocide going on in a place like Rwanda.I guess there was no Oil Reserves or other natural resources for Big Business to exploit. Just want to close off with what The Late George Carlin stated in his bit called The Owners Of this Country " You're not Free ! You're Owned.The owners of this Country they own you.They own all the important Land they control and own the Major Media outlets and they have The Senate,Judges,Congress all in there back pocket.This Country was bought and paid for a long time ago.They got you by the Balls! It's a Big Exclusive Club and Guess what !..You and Me..We're not in it." This can be said for my country to and others as well.
So, aside from me and (if I remember right) Timboni, is there anyone who thinks that Godfather kicked ass? Edited at: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:55:58 AM
I read "The Fortress of the Pearl" recently, and yeah, its pretty good. A nice idea that I havent seen before, about traveling through someones dream. Oh, and Elric kicks ass, thats for sure.
I don't know if anyone here is actually into the fantasy genre of literature but I will Recommend any of Michael Moorcock's books about Elric. Elric of Melnibone/The Fortress of The Pearl/Weird of The White Wolf/Sailor on the seas of fate/The Dream Theifs Daughter etc. Actually I heard Universal Pictures have the Rights and are supposed to make a motion picture for it. There's been talk about it for a while now. Blue Oyster Cult along with Lemmy's old Band Hawkwind did songs about Micheal Moorcock's character Elric. Anyhow folks if you can than check the books out it's not typical Swords and sorcerrey at all. They're some of my Favourites anyway.
I reckognise you, but whos the guy on the left? ;) [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:30:09 AM)
guidogodoy wrote:
Still here, Sir GD, still here! Holding vigil in gleeful anticipation of our brief encounter with the Gods.
Oddly enough, I find the mere thought of this provokes mixed emotions...
Kimi to retire? Are those just speculations, or is there something true about it?
Anyway, he can retire for all I care. Hamilton will be the champion this year, no matter what. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:47:25 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
If there is any stepping up to be done it will be done by Massa. As usual, the "number two" Ferrari driver is showing he's nobody's bitch. Given the right car, almost any of these guys could kick ass. Given a Ferrari, I think Massa is putting Kimi on notice. He's the Ferrari numero uno. Unfortunately, there is more to the story that involves one of my most hated drivers on the planet. The arrogant gun for hire Fernando Alonso. Rumor has it, that if Kimi were to retire, Alonso would go to Ferrari. Why would they want him ? God forbid the Ferrari fall behind a Force India. Alonso would probably jump ship to them the very next year. I hope it's not true. I'd love to see Trulli in that role.
JUDAS0922 wrote:
wow hamilyon took every one to school at hockenhime kimi needs to step up
Dont mind that. Its showing 130 to me now, but Im the only one posting right now.
Usualy, theres like 5-6 people posting at the same time. Very rarely more. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by spapad from Friday, June 27, 2008 6:50:05 PM)
spapad wrote:
Welcome aboard the Priest Noticeboard. BTW, go to the "things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm page and ask why are there supposedly 146 members online at this time and yet, NO ONE is posting. I'll probably lose a respect point for this.
attila.f wrote:
hi people
I am new to this and I love it allredy coz my two favorite things on earth are JUDAS PREIST &FORMULA 1
Not bad. Her voice reminds me of Robs, actually. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by j_mags24 from Wednesday, July 02, 2008 8:56:10 AM)
j_mags24 wrote:
Here's a video I found on youtube, not of an all female tribute band, but it is fronted by a women. Their name is Judith Priest...pretty good. There are quite a few vids of them, doing various Priest covers.
I know I've been down this road before, but this is the guitar I'm talking about. It's NOT a Blaze. Trust me. I met the maker at M.I.T. Baddest axe I've ever played. AND I MEAN EVER ! See Vivian. www.youtube.com/watch
Why the Serbo-Croatian subtitles, and whats with the Mad Max scene anyway? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Billy Bob Sling Blade Thornton from Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:40:24 PM)
Gee, Im not sure. I think that they are a Faithfull Defenders tribute band. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Metal Jesus from Tuesday, July 08, 2008 9:32:56 PM)
Metal Jesus wrote:
I guess so, who's Judas Priest?
stratlover wrote:
Halford? Isnt that the guy whos trying to impersonate you?
Deep Freeze wrote:
You're absolutely right! I can't! Well done! Not much gets by you, does it?
Halford? Isnt that the guy whos trying to impersonate you? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:43:27 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
You're absolutely right! I can't! Well done! Not much gets by you, does it?
Mhm. I played my uncles Ibanez a few times, and it was really easy, compared to my Strat. Nice neck, strings were really low, almost touching the fretboard... Really cool.
I never played an SG before, but it looks cool to me. I specialy like it how the highest notes are very accesible (or seem to be, anyway). On a strat, I almost have to break my fingers when I want to play above the 17th fret on the low strings. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Tuesday, July 08, 2008 10:04:52 AM)
TIMBONI wrote:
From my experience, I think the reason that people say the SG has such a fast neck is because it's so much sleeker than a Les Paul or any other Gibson that I've ever played. Flater, narrower and just plain easier to get around. I'd still toss it aside for an Ibanez for playing ease though.
I had a red Bich and a black Warlock back in the early 80's. Very cool looking, but very heavy. That's what gave them their growl !
guitardude wrote:
Ibanez make some awesome guitars! No doubt about that. You`re right about the Les pauls ,they are heavy. The BC Rich that I have is light,but it`s made of Alder I think? I have held some that were very heavy(Mockingbird and the Bich)
stratlover wrote:
Yes, I have nice lines...
Seriously tho, I think that the shape of a stratocaster, or a telecaster is impossible to beat. I played quite a few guitars, but I still think that those two are the best. Gibson Les Paul is like weight-lifting, imo, and same is BC rich (tho I never played a BC rich guitar - just a friends bass which is a copy of a BC Rich).
Also, some Ibanez guitars (the ones that look similar to Fender Strats) are pretty cool.
guitardude wrote:
For smooth flowing lines,the Strat is hard to beat. I personally prefer the Strat type of body,they seem to fit me well. I`ve had a variety of guitars over the years,but the start is always my go to shape. the Les paul type is cool, as of recent years had some Epiphone LP`s,but they just don`t fit me as well.
The angular bodies of the Warlock and the Splitail can be hard to get used to!
Seriously tho, I think that the shape of a stratocaster, or a telecaster is impossible to beat. I played quite a few guitars, but I still think that those two are the best. Gibson Les Paul is like weight-lifting, imo, and same is BC rich (tho I never played a BC rich guitar - just a friends bass which is a copy of a BC Rich).
Also, some Ibanez guitars (the ones that look similar to Fender Strats) are pretty cool. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by guitardude from Sunday, July 06, 2008 7:20:44 PM)
guitardude wrote:
For smooth flowing lines,the Strat is hard to beat. I personally prefer the Strat type of body,they seem to fit me well. I`ve had a variety of guitars over the years,but the start is always my go to shape. the Les paul type is cool, as of recent years had some Epiphone LP`s,but they just don`t fit me as well.
The angular bodies of the Warlock and the Splitail can be hard to get used to!
Aha, so basicly if Im playing a certain scale with a root in (for example) G, then Im playing in the key of G. Well, that isnt all that complicated.
Not that I want to know all about music theory (which is as shitty as it is boring). Its just that the "keys" stuff is mentioned a lot in tabs, and I wanted to know whats it all about.
Think of keys as families of notes. Keys are a group of notes that work well together. Around this scales are created. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule. In many fusion / jazz applications the players will intentionally use notes that are technically "out of key" to create the effect of tension in the music or to lead the listener's ear to an intended "key change". It sounds really technical, but it's not. If you forget everything I just said and just play what you think sounds good, there is probably some place in music theory to justify it. Music theory is almost as full of shit as psychology. Just learn the scales and try them. If it sounds good, go with it. If it sounds like shit, move on.
stratlover wrote:
Ive got a question for those who know music theory a bit.
What does it mean that something is in a certain "key"? I hear a lot of time how certain songs or parts of songs are in the key of E, E minor, A, ect. What is that all about?
I'm with you on that one....Turkey against Spain or Russia will do me!!!!
stratlover wrote:
Italy is really lucky, and I agree, the way they have been plaing, they dont deserve to go to the quarter finals.
But, even of they eliminate Spain (which I dont think will happen), they will run into the Dutch, or whoever will beat the Dutch. And since the Dutch have been playing several leagues above everyone else... I dont think that Italy, Spain or anyone else for that matter has much chances against them. Holland is my bet for the title.
On the side note, Turkey eliminated Croatia after a penalty shootout. Lets see if they can do the same with Germans!
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
omg i cant believe how bad things are going....
Portugal is out Italy qualified when they yet again dont deserve it....
shit im losing my tipping touch....
stratlover wrote:
Yeah, the Croats were a nice surprise... And with Poland drawing against Austria, they are already in the quarter finals. I must say tho, that the penalty that the Austrians got was not fair.
Damn Podolski, tho, I had a bet that Croatia will win 2-0, and it would have happened if Podolski had not scored. Well, at least I got the tendency right.
Yeah, Czechs and the Portugese seem really good this year, I hope that Czechs especialy will qualify.
Interesting game tonight: Holland vs. France. Lets see if the French can make a comeback... Tho my money is firmly on the Dutch.
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
haha i hope Romania can do the same ....
ye i dont consider them the best in the world...the way they beat Australia was the most cheat - typical italian way...
Portugal did win...no surprise...i think it will be Portugal and Checs who qualify from this group..
damn it!!!!!!! Croatia won and Austria and Poland drew...fuck i got nothing right last night....i had better get points tonight or im really going to be angry...
stratlover wrote:
Hell yeah, the Dutch HUMILIATED them! Seriously, Id never believe that ITALY can play so poorly, especialy when they are the running world champions. It will be more than interesting to watch how both teams will do in the second round.
Portugal wont have it all that easy, imo. Checs were good on the first game, I think it will be pretty close today.
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
haha tipping is not so bad now...
the Dutch made me proud...im still getting over the world cup...if Italy dont even make it past the first round then ill be sorta avanged not fully tho...i will have to wait for the world cup for that to happen haha...
ESPAÑA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they were in good shape...now they just have to hold on for the entire tournament
I hope the Swiss can win...Portugal should win no doubt
stratlover wrote:
Lol. Evil you! But the Austrians did put up a good fight.
France will win. I will be very surprised if they wont eat Romanians.
IDK about the Dutch, tho. My money would be on Italy (tho I dislike them somewhat, Casanovas as they are).
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
Noooo Croatia won...i bet they would draw with Austria ahahahaha....
now my tipping is not perfect......awelll
France will win tonight and so will Netherlands...hehe cmon tipping..
stratlover wrote:
NO! Its Croatias year of victory! Or at least the year they get into the playoffs...
Two games tonight: Czechs vs the Swiss (go Czechs!) and Portugal vs. Turkey (go Turkey!)
Oh, yeah, like we dont know that you are the evil power on this site, controlling everyone and everything...
Admit it!!! Or its the comfty chair for you!
Also, admit that the Deep vs. Freeze was the best thread ever! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
soylentgreen4u wrote:
.....PAST YOUR PILL TIME..OH,OH.......WHY DO PEOPLE GET SOOOOOOO UPSET AT ANOTHER PERSONS THOUGHTS ON HERE??? JUST LET IT GO MAN...I CAN UNDERSTAND BEING A BIT UPSET AT PERSONAL ATTACKS(WHICH SOME OF THE BONEHEADS HERE THRIVE ON) BUT EEEEEEEEASY MAN,WATCH YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE..YOU MUST BE WHAT...60 NOW! ....BE CALM.....OMMMMMM...OMMMMM...BREATHE IN,BREATHE OUT...BE ONE WITH NATURE!!!!....WHAT WAS THAT YOU JUST CALLED ME?...
Deep Freeze wrote:
AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!!!! You guys are KILLING me!!!! This is NOT ABOUT FREE FRIGGIN' SPEECH or having an OPINON!!!!! Alli, JD you guys know I love you dearly but I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE!!!!! This has NOTHING to do with liking or disliking the new album!!!! This is about creating A MILLION FRIGGIN' THREADS for the SAME FRIGGIN' SUBJECT!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh MAN!! I am going straight over the freaking cliff!!! Hello WALL! How are YOU today?? Do YOU have an opinion?? GREAT !! Let me hear it!! Oh? You don't like the new album? really? WOW!! THANK YOU, WALL!!! Sorry you guys, but I had to let that out! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ive got a question for those who know music theory a bit.
What does it mean that something is in a certain "key"? I hear a lot of time how certain songs or parts of songs are in the key of E, E minor, A, ect. What is that all about?
Looking at it this way, Im thinking about starting a new religion. Im worshipping that handsome guy I see everytime I look in the mirror.
Ok, about this fellow: I watched a couple of videos on Youtube about him, and they were enough for me to say R.I.P. to him. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:07:00 PM)
Deep Freeze wrote:
I've begun worshipping the Sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the Sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate." Wise words from the Master himself! Well said, George. Well said, indeed!
Italy is really lucky, and I agree, the way they have been plaing, they dont deserve to go to the quarter finals.
But, even of they eliminate Spain (which I dont think will happen), they will run into the Dutch, or whoever will beat the Dutch. And since the Dutch have been playing several leagues above everyone else... I dont think that Italy, Spain or anyone else for that matter has much chances against them. Holland is my bet for the title.
On the side note, Turkey eliminated Croatia after a penalty shootout. Lets see if they can do the same with Germans! [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Jpz #1 fan from Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:43:27 PM)
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
omg i cant believe how bad things are going....
Portugal is out Italy qualified when they yet again dont deserve it....
shit im losing my tipping touch....
stratlover wrote:
Yeah, the Croats were a nice surprise... And with Poland drawing against Austria, they are already in the quarter finals. I must say tho, that the penalty that the Austrians got was not fair.
Damn Podolski, tho, I had a bet that Croatia will win 2-0, and it would have happened if Podolski had not scored. Well, at least I got the tendency right.
Yeah, Czechs and the Portugese seem really good this year, I hope that Czechs especialy will qualify.
Interesting game tonight: Holland vs. France. Lets see if the French can make a comeback... Tho my money is firmly on the Dutch.
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
haha i hope Romania can do the same ....
ye i dont consider them the best in the world...the way they beat Australia was the most cheat - typical italian way...
Portugal did win...no surprise...i think it will be Portugal and Checs who qualify from this group..
damn it!!!!!!! Croatia won and Austria and Poland drew...fuck i got nothing right last night....i had better get points tonight or im really going to be angry...
stratlover wrote:
Hell yeah, the Dutch HUMILIATED them! Seriously, Id never believe that ITALY can play so poorly, especialy when they are the running world champions. It will be more than interesting to watch how both teams will do in the second round.
Portugal wont have it all that easy, imo. Checs were good on the first game, I think it will be pretty close today.
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
haha tipping is not so bad now...
the Dutch made me proud...im still getting over the world cup...if Italy dont even make it past the first round then ill be sorta avanged not fully tho...i will have to wait for the world cup for that to happen haha...
ESPAÑA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they were in good shape...now they just have to hold on for the entire tournament
I hope the Swiss can win...Portugal should win no doubt
stratlover wrote:
Lol. Evil you! But the Austrians did put up a good fight.
France will win. I will be very surprised if they wont eat Romanians.
IDK about the Dutch, tho. My money would be on Italy (tho I dislike them somewhat, Casanovas as they are).
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
Noooo Croatia won...i bet they would draw with Austria ahahahaha....
now my tipping is not perfect......awelll
France will win tonight and so will Netherlands...hehe cmon tipping..
stratlover wrote:
NO! Its Croatias year of victory! Or at least the year they get into the playoffs...
Two games tonight: Czechs vs the Swiss (go Czechs!) and Portugal vs. Turkey (go Turkey!)
Yeah, the Croats were a nice surprise... And with Poland drawing against Austria, they are already in the quarter finals. I must say tho, that the penalty that the Austrians got was not fair.
Damn Podolski, tho, I had a bet that Croatia will win 2-0, and it would have happened if Podolski had not scored. Well, at least I got the tendency right.
Yeah, Czechs and the Portugese seem really good this year, I hope that Czechs especialy will qualify.
Interesting game tonight: Holland vs. France. Lets see if the French can make a comeback... Tho my money is firmly on the Dutch. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Jpz #1 fan from Friday, June 13, 2008 7:04:32 AM)
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
haha i hope Romania can do the same ....
ye i dont consider them the best in the world...the way they beat Australia was the most cheat - typical italian way...
Portugal did win...no surprise...i think it will be Portugal and Checs who qualify from this group..
damn it!!!!!!! Croatia won and Austria and Poland drew...fuck i got nothing right last night....i had better get points tonight or im really going to be angry...
stratlover wrote:
Hell yeah, the Dutch HUMILIATED them! Seriously, Id never believe that ITALY can play so poorly, especialy when they are the running world champions. It will be more than interesting to watch how both teams will do in the second round.
Portugal wont have it all that easy, imo. Checs were good on the first game, I think it will be pretty close today.
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
haha tipping is not so bad now...
the Dutch made me proud...im still getting over the world cup...if Italy dont even make it past the first round then ill be sorta avanged not fully tho...i will have to wait for the world cup for that to happen haha...
ESPAÑA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they were in good shape...now they just have to hold on for the entire tournament
I hope the Swiss can win...Portugal should win no doubt
stratlover wrote:
Lol. Evil you! But the Austrians did put up a good fight.
France will win. I will be very surprised if they wont eat Romanians.
IDK about the Dutch, tho. My money would be on Italy (tho I dislike them somewhat, Casanovas as they are).
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
Noooo Croatia won...i bet they would draw with Austria ahahahaha....
now my tipping is not perfect......awelll
France will win tonight and so will Netherlands...hehe cmon tipping..
stratlover wrote:
NO! Its Croatias year of victory! Or at least the year they get into the playoffs...
Two games tonight: Czechs vs the Swiss (go Czechs!) and Portugal vs. Turkey (go Turkey!)
Thats a good one. Did they get to the Mountain yet? [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Little Indian Angel from Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:36:02 PM)
Hell yeah, the Dutch HUMILIATED them! Seriously, Id never believe that ITALY can play so poorly, especialy when they are the running world champions. It will be more than interesting to watch how both teams will do in the second round.
Portugal wont have it all that easy, imo. Checs were good on the first game, I think it will be pretty close today. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Jpz #1 fan from Wednesday, June 11, 2008 7:35:14 AM)
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
haha tipping is not so bad now...
the Dutch made me proud...im still getting over the world cup...if Italy dont even make it past the first round then ill be sorta avanged not fully tho...i will have to wait for the world cup for that to happen haha...
ESPAÑA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they were in good shape...now they just have to hold on for the entire tournament
I hope the Swiss can win...Portugal should win no doubt
stratlover wrote:
Lol. Evil you! But the Austrians did put up a good fight.
France will win. I will be very surprised if they wont eat Romanians.
IDK about the Dutch, tho. My money would be on Italy (tho I dislike them somewhat, Casanovas as they are).
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
Noooo Croatia won...i bet they would draw with Austria ahahahaha....
now my tipping is not perfect......awelll
France will win tonight and so will Netherlands...hehe cmon tipping..
stratlover wrote:
NO! Its Croatias year of victory! Or at least the year they get into the playoffs...
Two games tonight: Czechs vs the Swiss (go Czechs!) and Portugal vs. Turkey (go Turkey!)
It sure would be! Like the Greeks 4 years ago. Tho I doubt that it will happen. Not with what the Dutch showed today.
Btw. Holland 3 : 0 Italy. DIdnt see that one coming. Dutch played around with them like they were playing against a team from a kindergarten. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Judas Deth from Monday, June 09, 2008 2:21:25 PM)
Judas Deth wrote:
Watch Romania rape everyone and win the cup. That would be so funny.
Lol. Evil you! But the Austrians did put up a good fight.
France will win. I will be very surprised if they wont eat Romanians.
IDK about the Dutch, tho. My money would be on Italy (tho I dislike them somewhat, Casanovas as they are). [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by Jpz #1 fan from Sunday, June 08, 2008 9:47:33 PM)
Jpz #1 fan wrote:
Noooo Croatia won...i bet they would draw with Austria ahahahaha....
now my tipping is not perfect......awelll
France will win tonight and so will Netherlands...hehe cmon tipping..
stratlover wrote:
NO! Its Croatias year of victory! Or at least the year they get into the playoffs...
Two games tonight: Czechs vs the Swiss (go Czechs!) and Portugal vs. Turkey (go Turkey!)
Should be interesting, with Raikonnen so close, and Hamilton back on the top of the championship. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, June 07, 2008 10:46:02 PM)
TIMBONI wrote:
Nice little shakeup in qualifying today. I would have liked to see Kubica keep pole.
01 L. Hamilton McLaren 1:17.886
02 R. Kubica BMW 1:18.498
03 K. Räikkönen Ferrari 1:18.735
04 F. Alonso Renault 1:18.746
05 N. Rosberg Williams 1:18.844
06 F. Massa Ferrari 1:19.048
07 H. Kovalainen McLaren 1:19.089
08 N. Heidfeld BMW 1:19.633
09 R. Barrichello Honda 1:20.848
10 M. Webber Red Bull no time
11 T. Glock Toyota 1:18.031
12 K. Nakajima Williams 1:18.062
13 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:18.238
14 J. Trulli Toyota 1:18.327
15 N. Piquet jr. Renault 1:18.393
16 S. Bourdais Scuderia Toro Rosso 1:18.916
17 A. Sutil Force India F1 1:19.108
18 G. Fisichella Force India F1 1:19.165
19 J. Button Honda 1:23.565
20 S. Vettel Scuderia Toro Rosso no time
HEADBANGER!!!!
Sometimes they are adorable.
I'm sure she'll find something to fend off that unworthy opponent. 
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Another example of a solid metal image.
it says 'To lovely Rebecca' hehe.
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This sucks. Damn Espana (screw the tilde...symbol...thing).
It IS "smote." Past tense.
AND DADDY YANKEE, TOO!!!!!! 
Who you kids calling old farts?? Just because we wear hearing aids in the front row and walk with a cane not because it's cool don't mean nothing!!! 
Makes me feel bad about teasing Freeze... For a couple of seconds...
I'm not yelling... 
YEAH!!!
and to think we fear IRAN,,, hahahaha 
yummy. 
Hey Strat...we finally agree on something 
I really miss those.
...AHHH WHAT THE HELL,GUESS I'LL JUST HAVE TO CANCEL THE PRIEST CONCERT IS ALL! 
It you don't know what it is, then don't even search for it. It's that bad (I know...an exaggeration, but still!). I agree with the resurrection of the old legends, though. Good to have Judas Priest and many others of their time still kranking out great music.
The rest is all playtime!
my ears were assaulted quote viciously LMAO!
Good job Murray!! Thanx!! You rock!! 
Mr Spock .. when soys not home.. LOL
What a horror show
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Hugs & Kisses! DC
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The word, "Revolution" comes to mind... with Ian banging that bass around ... If there is any wind of a protest, anywhere ... let me know. We are so "there", and I'm not usually prone to that kind of thing. But this is not something Canadians should let happen.
I have poster with that on it.... with 'SHAME' underneath, and a cool one with a Maple Leaf on a tombstone that says, simply "RIP". (Notice the emblem says "Central Canadian"? It does not include the west.) I have a feeling the protests are going to be very heated... especially when we show up with our Anti-Coaltion signs at the PRO-Coalition rally in red-neck central, Edmonton, tonight.
