Well said Ron
It`s an evolution thing for sure with many bands. Triumph, had their edge, and like I said before, would be considered a metal band now. But to differentiate(?) between hard rock and metal is a fine line without a doubt.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Saturday, January 24, 2009 12:29:32 PM)| |  | ronhartsell wrote: | | I am not trying to start a Holy War on what is or is not Metal...instead I will give you how I differentiate between the two (albeit difficult to put into words)...
...Rock music in the late 60's and most of the 70's I consider to be Hard Rock as a precursor to Metal...bands that were on the verge of Metal, but hadn't quite taken the leap (early Priest being in this group). Granted, some of this early music tries really hard to claim the Metal tag for reasons such as dark lyrics and such (Sabbath and Zep being prime examples of this), but just because a band influences another band and that band transcends into another category doesn't mean that the original band gets to claim the 'new' genre as their own style, just the influence of...
...at any rate, bands like Triumph, Bad Company, Foriegner, Foghat and even KISS are all GREAT bands, they are influences (among many others) to what I consider Metal...
...Metal to me has it's own feel, a look, it's own presence if you will...it's music you can 'bang you're head' to (although not limited to just that)...it's a rush of adrenalin that I can't find in any other form of music, although some 'classical' can come close...
...now, there are bands that started out as Hard Rock and eventually morphed into Metal, I consider Sabbath and Priest to fall into this category, but I'm of the opinion that Priest made that transition BEFORE Sabbath (and some others) did...but a band like Triumph, for whatever their reasons, never did...
...this is all my opinion and I'm not trying to claim I'm right and you're wrong or any other non-sense...I respect your opinion!!!...I'm just trying to explain to you mine.
| | | Luvers666 wrote: | | If you wish to put them in 'Hard Rock' than that is your wish but I've said it before and I'll say it yet again that I for one fail to see the difference. Back in the 1970's and 80's, Black Sabbath was, just like nowadays, a Heavy Metal band, yet they were originally called just HARD ROCK.
So in the simplest of terms Hard Rock IS Metal, it may not be Heavy, Death, Speed, Viking, Folk, Pain, Thrash, Brutal, Black or any other bastardized sub-genre or shoot off, but it IS most definately METAL .
Besides, how can ANYONE say this is NOT Metal?
Listen to around 2:22, and name me one guitarist who was playing those type of solos in 1972?
If you cannot hear 'Eruption', 'D.O.A.', 'Hell Bent For Leather', 'Call For The Priest', 'Symptom Of The Universe', 'For The Love Of God', 'Ice 9', 'Mr. Crowley' in that(just to name a few), or at least where the influence came from. Then you need an enormous crash course on a history lesson.
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Very well put...but I personally put Triumph in the Hard Rock category rather than Metal!!
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I think it is sad that only a totalof six mentions of Rik Emmett was done on all 27 pages of this topic. I began listening to Triumph and Judas Priest the same year, 1978, and they both are tied on several things.
But in terms of ability and influence, rather directly or indirectly, no Metal guitarist is better than Mr. Rik Emmett. All kinds of guitar players you all mentioned have claimed to be influenced by the man, for instance:
Steve Vai - Started playing eclectic guitar because of Rik Emmett
Joe Satriani - Started playing guitar period because of Rik Emmett
Eddie Van Halen - Admitted taking the ideas that are featured on Eruption and Mean Street after watching Rik Emmett(Triumph) play a gig in Canada in 1975, when Van Halen was still called Mammoth
Glenn Tipton - Wrote the Hell Bent For Leather and Call For The Priest solo after listening to Rock And Roll Machine
Dave Murray - Decided to take the punk sounding guitars used by Rik Emmett on Triumph's first two albums, one being Rock And Roll Machine
Randy Rhoads - Found a love for Classical because of Rik Emmett, his two favorite classical pieces are: El Duende Agonizante and Fantasy Serenade.
In 1972 Rik Emmett was in a band called Act III, which was the first time an audience ever got to hear the song Blinding Light Show, which features both shredding on a 12 string classical and 12-string electric, without a break. And the following year Tony Iommi and Black Sabbath recorded Spiral Architect which throughout the song features the same exact rhythm section.
Triumph was the first metal band to ever feature Jazz, Classical, Bluegrass, Waltz, Spanish Flamenco techniques or complete songs. Not to mention their ability to pend songs that were commercial yet heavy, makes them either the inventors or the biggest influence on starting the Glam Metal scene, which rather you like it or not, was a good and lucrative sub genre of Heavy Metal. They were also the first to write a Speed Metal song(Street Fighter Man) while the first to ever write a staple of Metal, light verse to Heavy Metal chorus(Bringing Love To You) and the first ever Punk Metal song(Rock And Roll Machine) which was also the first song to ever have a true Shredding guitar solo.
Triumph also goes down in history as the first ever true Metal band of any kind to release a complete uninteruppted concept album, that was not only loosely based, that album was Thunder Seven, which I highly reccomend to all of you. Plus Rik Emmett was the main songwriter behind all their ideas.
And since what also makes Rik Emmett so amazing is that he has done these genres:
Metal
Heavy Metal
Punk Metal
Speed Metal
Thrash Metal
Opera
Country
Bluegrass
World
Jazz(Acid, Smooth, 12-bar, arch-top type, swing, acoustic, bar room)
Every form of classical
every form of blues
there is nothing the man is unable to do
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