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| [tasnam1] Friday, October 31, 2008 7:27:58 PM | |
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GuardianAngel,
VERY WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will always come back to their marketing.
I just does not make sense!?!??!!?!?!?!?!?
#1 Release NOS
#2 Release NOS = Title Track (Great Song for avid fans, "pretty" good song for attracking NON Priest fans)
#3 Release WAR video = WTF is this reasoning?, Marginal song compaired to the rest of the album, The video ?,.....Right I don't need to say more.......Certainly NOT gaining many fans this way.......
#4 Don't play entire album on tour (OK TOTALLY understand both pros + cons here , audience may not relate, that's realistic.
#5 Don't play NOS Title track on tour = ???
#6 Record your own Alone Vid, BBBBBBUUUUTTTTT what happened, anything since?
#6A Release Alone Radio Edit - Is really great in current condition (But understand record company's requirements)
#6B Play Prophecy live without needed Radio edit (Cut out Rob's'lip sync talking in middle & end during live performance)
#7 Cheesy Rob cell phone vids. Do get me wrong I love ANY Priest Fan back ground info.
#8 What no other Videos?
#9 I have more issue with their marketing, but I will save them until the 2009 tour.
Believe me I know it seems like I am being overly critical, but I want them to be MORE recognized.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by GuardianAngel from Friday, October 31, 2008 9:46:56 AM)| |  | GuardianAngel wrote: | | No. NO..No...Uh...yes.
Well first impressions by lots of people I talked to was that Nostradamus was self-indulgent & pompous. Even a terrible review here in the paper, though it was a combination review with Motley Crue's new Saints in Los Angeles. How the two even compare...Well they don't. I used to like Crue more in my teens, but I feel I've long outgrown their drugs, party & pussy themes. Priest is on a whole other level, where I don't think Crue's really evolved that much, and certainly not lyrically. They are who they are. Bless'em. That first impression by the guy writing the article didn't do Priest any favours whatsoever, at the same time RAVING about Crue's SILA. After more in depth listens, the true Nostradamus is shining through as nothing short of a masterpiece. It has a few Vegas-y moments, but this is one of my top 3 works of theirs. It's amazing and I can't get enough of it! I am actually quite happy that they released it in a double CD format and didn't cut it down to one CD, so that you can get MORE. It goes to 11. I also agree that their promotional people SUCK and I can say confidently that I never hear any Nostradamus on the radio and very RARELY ever hear JP at all. Occasionally it'll be You've Got Another Thing Coming. How sad. I will definitely see Nostradamus if they play here or near here, but I agree that it will likely not be as big a draw as their Priest Feast tour. JP are very underrated.
I read in a bio about them that they keep "playing to the same 10,000 people" (or whatever the number was) and they don't know how to change that, well...Maybe better promotion and video choices. I don't know. I'll just keep raving about them to friends & family & playing the music subliminally in the background when my boys are in the van enroute to soccer practice or a mall trip! (My 4 year old is a Halford fan already & both ask for Love Bites. Reminds them of the music in Bowser's Castle in SuperMario World!)
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| [guardian angel] Friday, October 31, 2008 9:46:56 AM | |
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No. NO..No...Uh...yes.
Well first impressions by lots of people I talked to was that Nostradamus was self-indulgent & pompous. Even a terrible review here in the paper, though it was a combination review with Motley Crue's new Saints in Los Angeles. How the two even compare...Well they don't. I used to like Crue more in my teens, but I feel I've long outgrown their drugs, party & pussy themes. Priest is on a whole other level, where I don't think Crue's really evolved that much, and certainly not lyrically. They are who they are. Bless'em. That first impression by the guy writing the article didn't do Priest any favours whatsoever, at the same time RAVING about Crue's SILA. After more in depth listens, the true Nostradamus is shining through as nothing short of a masterpiece. It has a few Vegas-y moments, but this is one of my top 3 works of theirs. It's amazing and I can't get enough of it! I am actually quite happy that they released it in a double CD format and didn't cut it down to one CD, so that you can get MORE. It goes to 11. I also agree that their promotional people SUCK and I can say confidently that I never hear any Nostradamus on the radio and very RARELY ever hear JP at all. Occasionally it'll be You've Got Another Thing Coming. How sad. I will definitely see Nostradamus if they play here or near here, but I agree that it will likely not be as big a draw as their Priest Feast tour. JP are very underrated.
I read in a bio about them that they keep "playing to the same 10,000 people" (or whatever the number was) and they don't know how to change that, well...Maybe better promotion and video choices. I don't know. I'll just keep raving about them to friends & family & playing the music subliminally in the background when my boys are in the van enroute to soccer practice or a mall trip! (My 4 year old is a Halford fan already & both ask for Love Bites. Reminds them of the music in Bowser's Castle in SuperMario World!)
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:01:42 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Wait just a minute.....are there any women here today?
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| [Rob Halford88] Saturday, October 25, 2008 11:10:22 PM | |
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I agree with you Udo. What I did is rip the cds to my hard drive and make a playlist in mediaplayer.
That way, I can hear the album from start to finish.
This way, you get the full intended effect.
I must say that I like it and the few tracks I heard live kick arse.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Udo S. from Friday, October 24, 2008 10:35:19 PM)| | | Udo S. wrote: | | Nostradamus is a metal masterpiece - it is art - it is perfect from the beginning to the end - it puts you back in time - it lets you take part in Nostradamus' life - it is awesome and I am glad that they want to play the album in its entirety.
Of course the next album should be something like projecting Painkiller into the 21st century but for now I'm just happy and the current album never stops to amaze me - it's like a single malt - it gets better with everyday.
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| [Udo Sapper] Friday, October 24, 2008 10:35:19 PM | |
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Nostradamus is a metal masterpiece - it is art - it is perfect from the beginning to the end - it puts you back in time - it lets you take part in Nostradamus' life - it is awesome and I am glad that they want to play the album in its entirety.
Of course the next album should be something like projecting Painkiller into the 21st century but for now I'm just happy and the current album never stops to amaze me - it's like a single malt - it gets better with everyday.
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| [mesniu II] Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:38:08 PM | |
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creator of this topic sure abhors nostradamus, too bad.
though some people have voiced a dislike for expanded judas priest sound.
they are still metal gods!
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| [Head banger] Tuesday, October 21, 2008 7:06:54 AM | |
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well said. if you like priest, your a fan. if you dont like anything they do, your not. if you like a few songs out of the whole carear, then you need work.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, October 20, 2008 11:40:32 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Following up on my bud Hellrider's note, I hope I am NOT labeled a "Priest Nazi" just because I can honestly say that I love this album. So much so that I bought it twice. Super duper deluxe and deluxe. Do I think you or anyone else isn't a "true" Priest fan for not liking it? Hell no. To each his own. ANY Priest fan, be it their past, present or (hopefully) future music is a fan. Plain and simple. Like saying you aren't a Rob Halford fan if you don't like Two (never heard it, myself). Not a Priest fan if you didn't like the Ripper era (HATED it myself). A "traitor" to Priest if you like Halford. Of course, it is absurd. I am a much bigger fan of Halford than Fight. Does it make me any less a Priest fan that I long for the days when Halford (band) played live? I certainly hope not. Although it might (heh) not be physically possible I actually hope to hear new Halford AND Priest music.
All in all, I undertand why those who don't like the album don't like it. I am not one of them. Still, I have little doubt that a full tour playing ALL Nostra would be an absolute disaster. Play a few select venues, though, and I'll be there front and center.
| | | metalmaz wrote: | | Well I've tried so hard to like it. But quite frankly to me, it's the worst ever album with Halford on vocals.
The vast majority is turgid, pompous, overblown and boring. What has happened to one of the greatest metal bands ever? They've turned into Andrew Llloyd Webber. A sad demise indeed.
Halford solo material is far superior.
No doubt the "Priest nazis" will start whinging "You're not a true fan" and all that crap.
I will be going to see them when they play England next year, because I still love them. (But not Nostradamus)
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| [zumpulija] Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:56:28 AM | |
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| [guidogodoy] Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:01:42 AM | |
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Wait just a minute.....are there any women here today?
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Tuesday, October 21, 2008 12:01:10 AM | |
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NAH...YOU SHOULD KNOW ME BY NOW...JUST A FINAL SPURT OF MADNESS BEFORE I HIT THE SACK AND LEAVE TOMORROW... ....NOW WHERE WAS I?...OH YEAH..............................................................
 "MURDER THE UNBELIEVER!!!"..."KILL THE INFIDEL!!!"..."DESTROY THEM!!!"..."FORSAKE HIM,FOR HE HIS THE HARBINGER OF EVIL!!!"...THERE,THAT ABOUT COVERS IT..."YOU PRIEST N$#I" YOU"...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, October 20, 2008 11:50:47 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Why the attack? It was my comment about Two, wasn't it? I'm sorry. I'll pick up your favorite Halford album tomorrow.
| | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | COMMIE!!!....FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!...NE'ER DO WELL!!!
UNBELIEVER !!!!...DEATH!!!...DEAAATH!!!... ...
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Following up on my bud Hellrider's note, I hope I am NOT labeled a "Priest Nazi" just because I can honestly say that I love this album. So much so that I bought it twice. Super duper deluxe and deluxe. Do I think you or anyone else isn't a "true" Priest fan for not liking it? Hell no. To each his own. ANY Priest fan, be it their past, present or (hopefully) future music is a fan. Plain and simple. Like saying you aren't a Rob Halford fan if you don't like Two (never heard it, myself). Not a Priest fan if you didn't like the Ripper era (HATED it myself). A "traitor" to Priest if you like Halford. Of course, it is absurd. I am a much bigger fan of Halford than Fight. Does it make me any less a Priest fan that I long for the days when Halford (band) played live? I certainly hope not. Although it might (heh) not be physically possible I actually hope to hear new Halford AND Priest music.
All in all, I undertand why those who don't like the album don't like it. I am not one of them. Still, I have little doubt that a full tour playing ALL Nostra would be an absolute disaster. Play a few select venues, though, and I'll be there front and center.
| | | metalmaz wrote: | | Well I've tried so hard to like it. But quite frankly to me, it's the worst ever album with Halford on vocals.
The vast majority is turgid, pompous, overblown and boring. What has happened to one of the greatest metal bands ever? They've turned into Andrew Llloyd Webber. A sad demise indeed.
Halford solo material is far superior.
No doubt the "Priest nazis" will start whinging "You're not a true fan" and all that crap.
I will be going to see them when they play England next year, because I still love them. (But not Nostradamus)
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| [guidogodoy] Monday, October 20, 2008 11:50:47 PM | |
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Why the attack? It was my comment about Two, wasn't it? I'm sorry. I'll pick up your favorite Halford album tomorrow.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Soylentgreen4u from Monday, October 20, 2008 11:48:57 PM)| | | Soylentgreen4u wrote: | | COMMIE!!!....FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!...NE'ER DO WELL!!!
UNBELIEVER !!!!...DEATH!!!...DEAAATH!!!......
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Following up on my bud Hellrider's note, I hope I am NOT labeled a "Priest Nazi" just because I can honestly say that I love this album. So much so that I bought it twice. Super duper deluxe and deluxe. Do I think you or anyone else isn't a "true" Priest fan for not liking it? Hell no. To each his own. ANY Priest fan, be it their past, present or (hopefully) future music is a fan. Plain and simple. Like saying you aren't a Rob Halford fan if you don't like Two (never heard it, myself). Not a Priest fan if you didn't like the Ripper era (HATED it myself). A "traitor" to Priest if you like Halford. Of course, it is absurd. I am a much bigger fan of Halford than Fight. Does it make me any less a Priest fan that I long for the days when Halford (band) played live? I certainly hope not. Although it might (heh) not be physically possible I actually hope to hear new Halford AND Priest music.
All in all, I undertand why those who don't like the album don't like it. I am not one of them. Still, I have little doubt that a full tour playing ALL Nostra would be an absolute disaster. Play a few select venues, though, and I'll be there front and center.
| | | metalmaz wrote: | | Well I've tried so hard to like it. But quite frankly to me, it's the worst ever album with Halford on vocals.
The vast majority is turgid, pompous, overblown and boring. What has happened to one of the greatest metal bands ever? They've turned into Andrew Llloyd Webber. A sad demise indeed.
Halford solo material is far superior.
No doubt the "Priest nazis" will start whinging "You're not a true fan" and all that crap.
I will be going to see them when they play England next year, because I still love them. (But not Nostradamus)
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Monday, October 20, 2008 11:48:57 PM | |
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COMMIE!!!....FASCIST!!!!!!!!!!...NE'ER DO WELL!!!
UNBELIEVER !!!!...DEATH!!!...DEAAATH!!!......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, October 20, 2008 11:40:32 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Following up on my bud Hellrider's note, I hope I am NOT labeled a "Priest Nazi" just because I can honestly say that I love this album. So much so that I bought it twice. Super duper deluxe and deluxe. Do I think you or anyone else isn't a "true" Priest fan for not liking it? Hell no. To each his own. ANY Priest fan, be it their past, present or (hopefully) future music is a fan. Plain and simple. Like saying you aren't a Rob Halford fan if you don't like Two (never heard it, myself). Not a Priest fan if you didn't like the Ripper era (HATED it myself). A "traitor" to Priest if you like Halford. Of course, it is absurd. I am a much bigger fan of Halford than Fight. Does it make me any less a Priest fan that I long for the days when Halford (band) played live? I certainly hope not. Although it might (heh) not be physically possible I actually hope to hear new Halford AND Priest music.
All in all, I undertand why those who don't like the album don't like it. I am not one of them. Still, I have little doubt that a full tour playing ALL Nostra would be an absolute disaster. Play a few select venues, though, and I'll be there front and center.
| | | metalmaz wrote: | | Well I've tried so hard to like it. But quite frankly to me, it's the worst ever album with Halford on vocals.
The vast majority is turgid, pompous, overblown and boring. What has happened to one of the greatest metal bands ever? They've turned into Andrew Llloyd Webber. A sad demise indeed.
Halford solo material is far superior.
No doubt the "Priest nazis" will start whinging "You're not a true fan" and all that crap.
I will be going to see them when they play England next year, because I still love them. (But not Nostradamus)
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| [guidogodoy] Monday, October 20, 2008 11:40:32 PM | |
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Following up on my bud Hellrider's note, I hope I am NOT labeled a "Priest Nazi" just because I can honestly say that I love this album. So much so that I bought it twice. Super duper deluxe and deluxe. Do I think you or anyone else isn't a "true" Priest fan for not liking it? Hell no. To each his own. ANY Priest fan, be it their past, present or (hopefully) future music is a fan. Plain and simple. Like saying you aren't a Rob Halford fan if you don't like Two (never heard it, myself). Not a Priest fan if you didn't like the Ripper era (HATED it myself). A "traitor" to Priest if you like Halford. Of course, it is absurd. I am a much bigger fan of Halford than Fight. Does it make me any less a Priest fan that I long for the days when Halford (band) played live? I certainly hope not. Although it might (heh) not be physically possible I actually hope to hear new Halford AND Priest music.
All in all, I undertand why those who don't like the album don't like it. I am not one of them. Still, I have little doubt that a full tour playing ALL Nostra would be an absolute disaster. Play a few select venues, though, and I'll be there front and center.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalmaz from Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:01:16 AM)| | | metalmaz wrote: | | Well I've tried so hard to like it. But quite frankly to me, it's the worst ever album with Halford on vocals.
The vast majority is turgid, pompous, overblown and boring. What has happened to one of the greatest metal bands ever? They've turned into Andrew Llloyd Webber. A sad demise indeed.
Halford solo material is far superior.
No doubt the "Priest nazis" will start whinging "You're not a true fan" and all that crap.
I will be going to see them when they play England next year, because I still love them. (But not Nostradamus)
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| [hellrider 31038] Monday, October 20, 2008 11:08:44 PM | |
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I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE ALBUM.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalmaz from Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:01:16 AM)| | | metalmaz wrote: | | Well I've tried so hard to like it. But quite frankly to me, it's the worst ever album with Halford on vocals.
The vast majority is turgid, pompous, overblown and boring. What has happened to one of the greatest metal bands ever? They've turned into Andrew Llloyd Webber. A sad demise indeed.
Halford solo material is far superior.
No doubt the "Priest nazis" will start whinging "You're not a true fan" and all that crap.
I will be going to see them when they play England next year, because I still love them. (But not Nostradamus)
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:12:25 PM | |
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Thanks .....tasnam1 for the possitive vote!
I enjoy all the various posts on this JP website.......There are a lot of passionate fans for PRIEST! Dispite any mistakes we think the band or their management have made we have to be thankful we have a true Heavy Metal band that keeps crankin out fist-pumping music and concerts! When anyone around the world talks about heavy metal, JUDAS PRIEST is first name that always comes to mind. And that's a good thing!
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, October 09, 2008 7:47:55 AM | |
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Why, thank you so very much! I believe my "fan club" was disbanded some time ago and I am fresh out of T-shirts bearing my likeness, however, you are welcome to join me in a taste of common sense anytime you like!! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Honestly, it is very kind of you to say such nice things, 'child. I appreciate it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by devils_child from Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:01:52 PM)| | | devils_child wrote: | | Very well said...  i hang on your every word Freeze.. i admire you alot.  Can i join the Freeze fan club??
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is very difficult for me to believe we are still debating the "worthiness" of the new album. Jay makes some good points regarding the Band's marketing of late, but it is hard for me to accept that Priest are accused of poor effort or sub-par material. The album is what it is. More importantly, Priest remain viable after nearly 40 years of music. 40 years! I can almost guarantee you that the aforementioned "younger", "fresher" bands will not be able to claim that kind of longevity. That is a fact.
Judas Priest may not sell out stadiums like they once did, but it is certainly not because of Nostradamus. The "masses" are too busy lauding the so-called genius of the likes of Kid Rock and others of his ilk that would rather dub other people's music and change the words than actually write something original. Rhyming "bitch" with "itch" takes very little talent, my friends. Gluing gold to ones front teeth does not make one a genius. Claiming to be from the "street" does not equate to musical talent.
Unfortunately, musical success is still based on earnings and somehow joined with the word "talent" with very little foundation for use of the word. It is far easier to get some kid to buy an album with corpses and guns on the cover than it is to actually be talented. |
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| [devils_child] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:01:52 PM | |
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Very well said... i hang on your every word Freeze.. i admire you alot. Can i join the Freeze fan club??
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:11:53 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is very difficult for me to believe we are still debating the "worthiness" of the new album. Jay makes some good points regarding the Band's marketing of late, but it is hard for me to accept that Priest are accused of poor effort or sub-par material. The album is what it is. More importantly, Priest remain viable after nearly 40 years of music. 40 years! I can almost guarantee you that the aforementioned "younger", "fresher" bands will not be able to claim that kind of longevity. That is a fact.
Judas Priest may not sell out stadiums like they once did, but it is certainly not because of Nostradamus. The "masses" are too busy lauding the so-called genius of the likes of Kid Rock and others of his ilk that would rather dub other people's music and change the words than actually write something original. Rhyming "bitch" with "itch" takes very little talent, my friends. Gluing gold to ones front teeth does not make one a genius. Claiming to be from the "street" does not equate to musical talent.
Unfortunately, musical success is still based on earnings and somehow joined with the word "talent" with very little foundation for use of the word. It is far easier to get some kid to buy an album with corpses and guns on the cover than it is to actually be talented. |
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| [Maple Syrup] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 9:03:52 PM | |
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Although NSTRDMS is Very Good, it is no Mindcrime. Also, are people still watching videos (they way they used to) of the new albums when released? Isnt that passe' (sp?) with the whole other realm of video now Youtube etc... I think most fans are looking for the live stuff nowadays anyway. It would be great if they did release something live from the old days and include the new on a DVD. You know what? The old footage I am speaking of, simply does not exist. There is no JP - "unvaulted treasure" of live early stuff (Tours: Rocka Rolla, Sad Wings, Sin after Sin, Killing Machine, British Steel, POE etc...) on video.. Sad isnt it?MSyrup
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| [tasnam1] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 8:51:14 PM | |
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Jaydee,
I want to meet you!
You and I think 100% alike.
EVERYTHING you mention in your post is accurate.
I am a 100% Priest fan, but I am tired of this band's management closing doors for this band and not allowing them to get to the level they do deserve.
The poor video choice/song releases have made me sick over the last 22 years (I'm including RID (1 video ????) & Turbo (Reckless??)).
I could go on and on. I am gad Jaydee at least some one out in www.land thinks like me; I'm not "ALONE"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S. Don't get me started on AOR releases.....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JayDee Jepsen from Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:54:36 PM)| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | | Look. The majority of us agree that Nostradamus great cd by Priest and should have a huge amount more attention if it weren't Priest shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to marketing. Example: One of the best tools for marketing is a quality video of your strongest songs followed by playing those songs on tour to support the video thus creating more demand from the fans. JP has not made a quality video since 1990's Painkiller and Touch of Evil,, some 18 years ago. AOR's Revolution(not JP's strongest song on the cd)had a half-ass video of the song "dubbed" over existing concert footage. The best AOR songs = no video + the single "Worth fighting For" = no video.
JP release Nostradamus via the net(good move)but no video! JP release "Visions" as first single-no video, JP make a ok-at-best animated vdeo for "War" (not jp's best song on the cd). Non of these songs or other good songs like "Alone", "Persecution" were played on their tour.. WTF!? For an album that they are soooo proud of you would never know it by how they marketed it. It's almost like a child with so much potential if it weren't neglected.
The "downfall of priest" is not Nostradamus; it's the lack of commonsense marketing of their good material & choice of tour support that have eroaded cd and ticket sells over the last 18 years and brought Priest to a sad place of no more Gold and Platinum albums and sold out shows in the US. let's be honest-Motorhead, Testament, Queensryche(2005) are not up to Priest standards. there are many other, better, young fresh bands who would be better concert draws...
Sorry for the long winded writing but I'm passionate about Priest and their music and equally frustrated by the lack of much deserved success!
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 6:01:44 PM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know..sounds pretty good to me!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:42:34 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | So I suppose my new song featuring all masculine voiced fricatives (rather than perfect rhyme) is going to be dead in the water, eh? DAMN! Took me forever to come up with lines ending with such rhyming words as:
grave - reprieve
cause - whiz
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is very difficult for me to believe we are still debating the "worthiness" of the new album. Jay makes some good points regarding the Band's marketing of late, but it is hard for me to accept that Priest are accused of poor effort or sub-par material. The album is what it is. More importantly, Priest remain viable after nearly 40 years of music. 40 years! I can almost guarantee you that the aforementioned "younger", "fresher" bands will not be able to claim that kind of longevity. That is a fact.
Judas Priest may not sell out stadiums like they once did, but it is certainly not because of Nostradamus. The "masses" are too busy lauding the so-called genius of the likes of Kid Rock and others of his ilk that would rather dub other people's music and change the words than actually write something original. Rhyming "bitch" with "itch" takes very little talent, my friends. Gluing gold to ones front teeth does not make one a genius. Claiming to be from the "street" does not equate to musical talent.
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| [guidogodoy] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:42:34 PM | |
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So I suppose my new song featuring all masculine voiced fricatives (rather than perfect rhyme) is going to be dead in the water, eh? DAMN! Took me forever to come up with lines ending with such rhyming words as:
grave - reprieve
cause - whiz
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:11:53 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | It is very difficult for me to believe we are still debating the "worthiness" of the new album. Jay makes some good points regarding the Band's marketing of late, but it is hard for me to accept that Priest are accused of poor effort or sub-par material. The album is what it is. More importantly, Priest remain viable after nearly 40 years of music. 40 years! I can almost guarantee you that the aforementioned "younger", "fresher" bands will not be able to claim that kind of longevity. That is a fact.
Judas Priest may not sell out stadiums like they once did, but it is certainly not because of Nostradamus. The "masses" are too busy lauding the so-called genius of the likes of Kid Rock and others of his ilk that would rather dub other people's music and change the words than actually write something original. Rhyming "bitch" with "itch" takes very little talent, my friends. Gluing gold to ones front teeth does not make one a genius. Claiming to be from the "street" does not equate to musical talent.
Unfortunately, musical success is still based on earnings and somehow joined with the word "talent" with very little foundation for use of the word. It is far easier to get some kid to buy an album with corpses and guns on the cover than it is to actually be talented. |
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| [jimmyjames] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 4:06:36 PM | |
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| They just wanted to try something different, gotta keep it interesting for yourself after nearly 40 years. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:59:45 PM | |
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Understood and appreciated, metalmaz. Look, I do not expect everyone to love the new album. As I mentioned, it is what it is. It is certainly not one of my top three, but I like it. Anyway, I think the larger issue is Priest and who they are. What they have accomplished. Nostradamus is far from a flop, in my humble opinion. More importantly, Judas Priest are still relevant and far FAR more talented than just about ANY metal band of the last ten years.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalmaz from Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:50:44 PM)| | | metalmaz wrote: | | | I'm one of the Nostradamus haters, but I certainly don't disagree with your last post. |
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| [metalmaz] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:50:44 PM | |
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| I'm one of the Nostradamus haters, but I certainly don't disagree with your last post. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 3:11:53 PM | |
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It is very difficult for me to believe we are still debating the "worthiness" of the new album. Jay makes some good points regarding the Band's marketing of late, but it is hard for me to accept that Priest are accused of poor effort or sub-par material. The album is what it is. More importantly, Priest remain viable after nearly 40 years of music. 40 years! I can almost guarantee you that the aforementioned "younger", "fresher" bands will not be able to claim that kind of longevity. That is a fact.
Judas Priest may not sell out stadiums like they once did, but it is certainly not because of Nostradamus. The "masses" are too busy lauding the so-called genius of the likes of Kid Rock and others of his ilk that would rather dub other people's music and change the words than actually write something original. Rhyming "bitch" with "itch" takes very little talent, my friends. Gluing gold to ones front teeth does not make one a genius. Claiming to be from the "street" does not equate to musical talent.
Unfortunately, musical success is still based on earnings and somehow joined with the word "talent" with very little foundation for use of the word. It is far easier to get some kid to buy an album with corpses and guns on the cover than it is to actually be talented. |
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 1:54:36 PM | |
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| Look. The majority of us agree that Nostradamus great cd by Priest and should have a huge amount more attention if it weren't Priest shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to marketing. Example: One of the best tools for marketing is a quality video of your strongest songs followed by playing those songs on tour to support the video thus creating more demand from the fans. JP has not made a quality video since 1990's Painkiller and Touch of Evil,, some 18 years ago. AOR's Revolution(not JP's strongest song on the cd)had a half-ass video of the song "dubbed" over existing concert footage. The best AOR songs = no video + the single "Worth fighting For" = no video.
JP release Nostradamus via the net(good move)but no video! JP release "Visions" as first single-no video, JP make a ok-at-best animated vdeo for "War" (not jp's best song on the cd). Non of these songs or other good songs like "Alone", "Persecution" were played on their tour.. WTF!? For an album that they are soooo proud of you would never know it by how they marketed it. It's almost like a child with so much potential if it weren't neglected.
The "downfall of priest" is not Nostradamus; it's the lack of commonsense marketing of their good material & choice of tour support that have eroaded cd and ticket sells over the last 18 years and brought Priest to a sad place of no more Gold and Platinum albums and sold out shows in the US. let's be honest-Motorhead, Testament, Queensryche(2005) are not up to Priest standards. there are many other, better, young fresh bands who would be better concert draws...
Sorry for the long winded writing but I'm passionate about Priest and their music and equally frustrated by the lack of much deserved success!
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| [Vinther] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 12:27:28 PM | |
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| Come on boys and girls, this is one of the best metal albums EVER! |
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| [metalmaz] Wednesday, October 08, 2008 11:01:16 AM | |
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Well I've tried so hard to like it. But quite frankly to me, it's the worst ever album with Halford on vocals.
The vast majority is turgid, pompous, overblown and boring. What has happened to one of the greatest metal bands ever? They've turned into Andrew Llloyd Webber. A sad demise indeed.
Halford solo material is far superior.
No doubt the "Priest nazis" will start whinging "You're not a true fan" and all that crap.
I will be going to see them when they play England next year, because I still love them. (But not Nostradamus)
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| [ron h] Sunday, October 05, 2008 8:35:13 AM | |
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Very well put, couldn't have said it better myself  
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Dime/UNDER BLOOD RED SKIES!!!! from Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:43:50 PM)| | | Dime/UNDER BLOOD RED SKIES!!!! wrote: | | | It seems thats what alot of people are doing is comparing this album to previous albums. What people arent getting is that Priest will never put out another Sad wings of Destiny, Screaming for Vengence or Painkiller. Judas Priest have always searched for a new sound with each album, and over the decades they've gotten heavier and heavier. Now adays bands are pushing to be the most hardcore heavy they can possibly be, and trying to out due the hardcore from other bands and its really gotten lame. Priest has come along way from the late 60's through 70's to really defining what the true "metal' sound was. Blasting through the 80's at BREAK NECK speed, to well sadly crash in the early 90's.Judas Priest continued without the Priest in my opinion until 2004 when he unearthed his throne. Priest has taken metal everywhere, and for a change they wanted to do something big, huge and very musical. Like how Craptallica did the orchestra shit, but Priest did it balls out. Sure alot of the album is slow and balladful, but that was what the album was about, a dude's life. Love, life and death. I honestly think the next album will return to the Heavier sound once again, but they chose to explore through a concept album. And id definetly see this in a concert if i had the chance! |
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| [kiamat] Sunday, October 05, 2008 4:20:15 AM | |
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I think it would take more than one dodgy album to take down a band like Priest, as the presence of you good people here shows.
They would probably have far fewer fans if they had just made a few good albums back in the 80s and then carried on doing variations on those songs- we wouldnt be listening to Painkiller for a start |
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| [METAL MELTDOWN] Monday, September 29, 2008 10:35:02 AM | |
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Words well spoken......
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Dime/UNDER BLOOD RED SKIES!!!! from Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:43:50 PM)| | | Dime/UNDER BLOOD RED SKIES!!!! wrote: | | | It seems thats what alot of people are doing is comparing this album to previous albums. What people arent getting is that Priest will never put out another Sad wings of Destiny, Screaming for Vengence or Painkiller. Judas Priest have always searched for a new sound with each album, and over the decades they've gotten heavier and heavier. Now adays bands are pushing to be the most hardcore heavy they can possibly be, and trying to out due the hardcore from other bands and its really gotten lame. Priest has come along way from the late 60's through 70's to really defining what the true "metal' sound was. Blasting through the 80's at BREAK NECK speed, to well sadly crash in the early 90's.Judas Priest continued without the Priest in my opinion until 2004 when he unearthed his throne. Priest has taken metal everywhere, and for a change they wanted to do something big, huge and very musical. Like how Craptallica did the orchestra shit, but Priest did it balls out. Sure alot of the album is slow and balladful, but that was what the album was about, a dude's life. Love, life and death. I honestly think the next album will return to the Heavier sound once again, but they chose to explore through a concept album. And id definetly see this in a concert if i had the chance! |
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Monday, September 29, 2008 9:00:11 AM | |
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Is it just me or has anyone noticed JP managment has not announced any Nostradamus worldwide sales figures? I remember shortly after AOR was released management announced a '500,000 and counting' worldwide figure. It's seems tragically JP's Nostradamus hasn't even hit the 500,000 mark worldwide. Nostradamus is such a good cd.
I'm amazed that Judas Priest has not made aquality video for any of their strongest Nostradamus songs "Nostradamus,Percecution, Alone, etc....-and no, "War" was not one of their strongest songs on the cd and certainly a marginal video as best. In fact JP has not made a good video since "Painkiller" and "Touch of Evil" in 1990, some 18 years ago!
Just some observations. |
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| [hellrider 31038] Saturday, September 27, 2008 3:44:06 PM | |
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| just wait for the next album rip your face off screaming heavy metal. |
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| [judasfreak666] Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:35:08 AM | |
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| just get over it people every priest album is different ....turbo for me sucked .. but im still here banging my head to the best metal on the planet |
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| [Dime/UNDER BLOOD RED SKIES!!!!] Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:43:50 PM | |
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| It seems thats what alot of people are doing is comparing this album to previous albums. What people arent getting is that Priest will never put out another Sad wings of Destiny, Screaming for Vengence or Painkiller. Judas Priest have always searched for a new sound with each album, and over the decades they've gotten heavier and heavier. Now adays bands are pushing to be the most hardcore heavy they can possibly be, and trying to out due the hardcore from other bands and its really gotten lame. Priest has come along way from the late 60's through 70's to really defining what the true "metal' sound was. Blasting through the 80's at BREAK NECK speed, to well sadly crash in the early 90's.Judas Priest continued without the Priest in my opinion until 2004 when he unearthed his throne. Priest has taken metal everywhere, and for a change they wanted to do something big, huge and very musical. Like how Craptallica did the orchestra shit, but Priest did it balls out. Sure alot of the album is slow and balladful, but that was what the album was about, a dude's life. Love, life and death. I honestly think the next album will return to the Heavier sound once again, but they chose to explore through a concept album. And id definetly see this in a concert if i had the chance! |
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| [SkyRideR] Tuesday, September 16, 2008 4:43:11 PM | |
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| [Turtle44] Saturday, September 06, 2008 10:59:40 AM | |
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| Hey I really don't know what your talking about,this is an exceptional cd. Open your mind before you start ripping and downgrading the cd. It is not the downfall of Priest at all. Give it a chance. |
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| [zumpulija] Friday, September 05, 2008 1:50:09 AM | |
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with judas priest it is always like that: after the first listening - "what the fuck is that?", after the second - "oh, that's not so bad" anf after that you just can't stop listening.... He he, JP is not for everyone as I like to say... :-)
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| [shyster] Thursday, September 04, 2008 10:26:29 AM | |
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| I dunno. Maybe i posted too soon. Im still listening and it is getting better. But there is a lot of slow shit im not really into.Slow shit takes alot of listening to to get to like it...lol. Anyway,some Priest is better than no Priest |
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| [shyster] Thursday, September 04, 2008 9:42:27 AM | |
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Well i just listened to all the songs for the first time and i have to say im pretty disappointed. JP is and has been my favorite band for 25 years now and when they came out with A.O.R. i couldnt have been happier that they were back together. And then when the album KICKED ASS, I was beside myself. Saw them in concert. Was freakin awesome......But this album? How can anyone say an opera like album kicks ass? This album isnt even close to Sad Wings Of Destiny .A.O.R was some heavy shit with a few good slow songs thrown in.This album is some opera shit with a few good heavier( not heavy) tunes thrown in. Anyway i just hope this isnt their last album. I do like the songs "Alone", "Nostradamus", "Persecution"and "relevations". But hey, there is definitely some new priest songs to listen to, which is better than nothing.I just hope they go back to heavy again on their next one. Rock on .................
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| [ZaNMaTo] Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:04:40 AM | |
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I'd hate to be one of you that doesn't like the album. Cranked that shit earlier today and it kicked my ass in many different ways. What a great fucking album. PRIEST!!! (I've seen Priest in concert now  ) Chill out, open your mind(hard for some adults) and feel the POWER of Nostradamus-damus-damus-damus, |
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| [.] Saturday, August 30, 2008 4:58:50 AM | |
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Musically, I can't complain at all. It was something JP wanted to do for a while and they did it and I really enjoy it from begining to the end and I really liked the fact that there were G.A. tickets in with the record.
My only desire is for their next album to break the speed barrier, as the pace of this album is definitely slower, because it's so long - not that it is bad in any way.
My favorites vary with each listen. Right now my fav is Persecution (it's a song about people who bitch a lot, did you know that?), other times is Conquest, other times ...
Can't force anybody to like it, and my intention when replying isn't to force you to like it, but thanks to this album which took 3 bloody f***king years to come out, JP has been touring and many tickets were as simple and as cheap to get as buying the cd. Of course not for the venue in OKC, but that's ok. |
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| [DemonCat] Saturday, August 30, 2008 12:40:42 AM | |
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No apology necessary. I respect every one's opinion, and I certainly don't "hate" anyone. I was disagreeing with your comment on what Judas Priest should be about. That's for them to decide. As for the rest of my post...I'll pick Judas Priest over any other band still recording new music that's out there. With the exeption of a non-forseen Pink Floyd CD. Nostradamus is a damned good biography of his life, and perhaps what he was feeling during his life. Even JP members have said it may not be for everyone, and warned us it was a different direction musically. I'm not one of those saying it's their best, in fact I'm not sure where I rank it. My favorite will always be Sad Wings of Destiny, and Turbo 2nd, but that's just my opinion, and for personal reasons.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, August 29, 2008 5:01:05 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | No way.I've listened to this album about 12 times all the way through,and trying to give it a chance...but it just keeps getting worse and worse....its much worse than the first time I listened to it. This is not heavy metal as a whole....95% of this album is an opera....sprinkled with a touch of soft rock. I'm not here to bash the band....but I am not afraid to voice my opinion...no matter how many people hate me for it.....and in my opinion...Nostradamus is not a good album with only 2 maybe 3 tracks out of 23 that are worth remembering.Sorry.
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| [Head banger] Friday, August 29, 2008 5:09:08 PM | |
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Its not growing on me, either. Musicaly it may be well done, but I dont find it likable. I would go see it done live, if it were close, but I dont think its realy worth it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, August 29, 2008 5:01:05 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | No way.I've listened to this album about 12 times all the way through,and trying to give it a chance...but it just keeps getting worse and worse....its much worse than the first time I listened to it. This is not heavy metal as a whole....95% of this album is an opera....sprinkled with a touch of soft rock. I'm not here to bash the band....but I am not afraid to voice my opinion...no matter how many people hate me for it.....and in my opinion...Nostradamus is not a good album with only 2 maybe 3 tracks out of 23 that are worth remembering.Sorry.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, August 29, 2008 5:01:05 PM | |
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No way.I've listened to this album about 12 times all the way through,and trying to give it a chance...but it just keeps getting worse and worse....its much worse than the first time I listened to it. This is not heavy metal as a whole....95% of this album is an opera....sprinkled with a touch of soft rock. I'm not here to bash the band....but I am not afraid to voice my opinion...no matter how many people hate me for it.....and in my opinion...Nostradamus is not a good album with only 2 maybe 3 tracks out of 23 that are worth remembering.Sorry.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DemonCat from Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:32:31 PM) |
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| [VICTIM OF METAL] Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:46:02 PM | |
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| I think, i'll start a thread asking which albums/c.d.'s you loved from song one, to end of the album/c.d.! Because off-hand i can't think of more then a hand full myself. Is this c.d. one of them? No! That's my opinion. Depends on the type of Judas Priest fan you are? Have you listened once or twice and made an opinion, or have you listened a bit deeper and understood just what the message you were to recieve was recieved? I didn't get it at first,i thought, this isn't anything i've ever heard from these guys? But then i listened again and again, each time alittle deeper, and low and be-hold, i got it! Now i'll admit it's not my favorite priest c.d.. but it has a life of it's own,a sound of it's own. I guess what i'm trying to say is... don't use previous material from the band to compare this c.d. to! If you do, chances are you'll not like it. Is it a 10, no way. A 7.0-7.5, isn't to far off, if you open you ears, and mind... In the end, no this isn't the downfall of Priest. |
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| [DemonCat] Tuesday, August 26, 2008 9:11:43 AM | |
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Thank you, thank you. *I take a bow.* It's not often my brain, and fingers work together in such a synchronized way, but my thoughts were clear in that post.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, August 24, 2008 8:37:45 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | DC Great comment, said so well!
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| [DemonCat] Sunday, August 24, 2008 12:32:31 PM | |
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I couldn't dis-agree with you more. Judas Priest decides what they are about. Should this course they have chosen become their style of "Heavy Metal Opera" music...then I am going along for the ride. I personally didn't want anything that we've heard before. They've already perfected that style of music, and the resiliance of all their previous works speak for themselves. As shall Nostradamus in the years to come. The next project may be even more different than this, or anything else, and I will embrace it with open arms, and mind as well.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:42:12 AM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | Whatever then,I dis-agree in more ways than one. I couldn't dis-agree with you more. I love Judas Priest,but this is really not the direction they should be heading.Why are there 10 ballads on this album............I think they have "over-done-it" with the "Nostradamus" album.Judas Priest is not about "Opera"......they should be about "Heavy Metal",and thats what they have left behind for this album as a whole......will they ever be back with a vengeance"??????
| | | rheis wrote: | | That's a load of crap!
I'm kind of thinking that Nostradamus is Priest's finest hour, in many ways. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:42:12 AM | |
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Whatever then,I dis-agree in more ways than one. I couldn't dis-agree with you more. I love Judas Priest,but this is really not the direction they should be heading.Why are there 10 ballads on this album............I think they have "over-done-it" with the "Nostradamus" album.Judas Priest is not about "Opera"......they should be about "Heavy Metal",and thats what they have left behind for this album as a whole......will they ever be back with a vengeance"??????
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by rheis from Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:23:00 AM)| | | rheis wrote: | | That's a load of crap!
I'm kind of thinking that Nostradamus is Priest's finest hour, in many ways. |
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