| [t5priest] Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:35:34 PM | |
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I LOVE THIS RECORD TO DEATH !!
thank you rob , glen and kk for making this great , great record !!!!!
and i'm one of the very few who loved demolition and couldn't stand angel .
just shows we all like different things !! priest rules !! |
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| [Metallark] Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:41:41 PM | |
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Great...Great...point.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by alecs56 from Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:23:34 PM)| |  | alecs56 wrote: | | Why does every time a new album come out, people have to compare it to previous material, They wrote this to be NEW not OLD, Listen, enjoy and move on.  |
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| [alecs56] Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:23:34 PM | |
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| Why does every time a new album come out, people have to compare it to previous material, They wrote this to be NEW not OLD, Listen, enjoy and move on. |
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| [Metallark] Friday, July 18, 2008 11:22:00 PM | |
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Well put....Never_Surrender! There is still thunder in these songs and great creativity. These guys are still amazing.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by never_surrender from Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:59:53 PM)| | | never_surrender wrote: | | First off, all of us posting here are Priest fans and I don't have the right to judge how another fan judges this album.
With that said, I will just try to explain why I dig this as a Priest album and not just as a concept album or a metal opera or anything of that sort.
There is a huge difference between the short interludes in this album and say, a Motley Crue ballad.
These short interludes are not what the 80s hair metal chicks dig, if you know what I mean.
These interludes serve as a light (but still dark in their lyrics and atmosphere) background on which the heavier Priest-like hard-driving songs explode into.
Lost Love is a song which is very emotional but still not a Deff Leppard ballad. It still sounds Priest to me.
I like listening to all the 23 tracks in this record but if I wanted something close to a Painkiller or a Defenders, I will just listen to Prophecy, Revelations, Death (not just 'A tocuh of evil', by God a lot more than that), Conquest, Persecution, and Nostradamus.
Still we are left with Exiled, Alone, Visions, Future of Mankind which sound clearly Priest to my ears. Painkiller was not the only album they put out. They have a huge catalog and all of these songs fit one way or another what Priest sound like.
If you ask me, I would say this album is a shot in the arm for classic heavy metal sounds in a world where the Arch Enemies, Dimmu Borgirs (what in the world is that supposed to freaking mean?) and Avenged Sevenfolds also ply their trade. |
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| [Metallark] Friday, July 18, 2008 11:14:50 PM | |
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Amen....Metal brother. Crank that baby until JP can feed us more down the road.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Aikman (Matt Frost) from Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:44:56 PM)| | | Aikman (Matt Frost) wrote: | | Downfall? I don't think so, Tim. Priest comes out with a concept album, and people think they are headed for the shitter? Makes no sense to me. This album is brilliant. Granted, it's not Screaming For Vengeance like, but it's a work of it's own. Give it time, and it will grow on you. I myself can't wait for the next priest album, but in the mean time, Im going to crank the shit out of this one. GO PRIEST!! July 22, Seattle.. Can't wait to see you again!!!!
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| [Aikman (Matt Frost)] Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:44:56 PM | |
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Downfall? I don't think so, Tim. Priest comes out with a concept album, and people think they are headed for the shitter? Makes no sense to me. This album is brilliant. Granted, it's not Screaming For Vengeance like, but it's a work of it's own. Give it time, and it will grow on you. I myself can't wait for the next priest album, but in the mean time, Im going to crank the shit out of this one. GO PRIEST!! July 22, Seattle.. Can't wait to see you again!!!!
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| [scaryman] Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:06:41 PM | |
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I make Dpk right there! I think the thread 'Review of Nostradamus' is a better example though, If you look at the first thread and so on, you can draw your own conclusions.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:23:57 AM)| | | Darth_Painkiller_0870 wrote: | | Great White, no one is going to bash you for making an intelligent posting (whether it's agreed with or not). If you state something in a nasty manner or out of plain ignorance, then yes, bashing will occur. A great example of why bashing would occur is by looking at the beginning of this thread. Read the first couple of pages of it. There are a ton of good reasons why the person who started this thread got bashed for their comments. On the flip side, people here do seem to in fact, respect those who do not care for a particular JP album(s). For example, I refuse to listen to any of the Ripper-era material b/c it's not Rob on vocals.
| | | Great White wrote: | | Even though I don't like this album it doesn't make me any less a fan than I was before this album came out. I didn't get the bands name tattoo'd on me for the hell of it you know. Funny, I remember back in the early eighties going to priest concerts and it seemed to me that I was the only female fan there, all until Turbo came along, then every chick that was out there jumped on the wagon and went to the concert. I was disgusted because they were all fake fans and sure shit, when Priest went back to the style they were really known for all the "fans" that came with turbo, with the odd exception, all of a sudden weren't fans anymore. Priest could put out any sort of album and I'd still stand by them, I might not like it, but I'm such a hard core fan, I'll never fall by the wayside.
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| [Sad_Wings86] Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06:38 PM | |
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| i think that nostradamus is masterpiece.this album contains feelings like malincony with dark e epic elements.i disagree with who say this is not priest sound,if we look back there are many elements with albums like sad wings of destiny or sin after sin(for example the acustic part of alone remainds me to sad wings atmosfere)mixed with some dark elements of defenders of the faith(propechy e pestilence and plague)or heavy sound of painkiller album(nostradamus and persecution e death)plus new elements.this is another wonderfull evolution of judas priest the eternal metal gods |
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| [guidogodoy] Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:03:37 PM | |
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Good point about that outside producer. Just like many things in life, it often helps to have an outside person critique.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JayDee Jepsen from Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:29:41 PM)| | | JayDee Jepsen wrote: | | I feel JP could have trimmed some of the slow intros and made this into a 'trimmed down' 1 disk cd to keep the total cd tempo up and have as good or better product to enjoy. This isn't my favorite JP cd but I really appreciate and like some of the songs. it's my opinion that Priest would have been better served to have brought in a top producer to add a quality 'outside imput' and guide the cd to more success. If you notice Priest had Tom Allmon, Chris Tsangarides(Painkiller-last sucessful JP cd) and then went down and ultimately away from a quality outside producer. KK and Glenn are good but I think they got too 'tunnel vision' and miss important opportunities because they wanted to save money.
Motley Crue had Bob Rock on their latest cd and it's doing well, Metalica has always used a quality producer and their success speaks for itself. A quality "outside"producer isn't everything but sure helps. Lack of radio airplay has always been a killer for priest tunes!
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:29:41 PM | |
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I feel JP could have trimmed some of the slow intros and made this into a 'trimmed down' 1 disk cd to keep the total cd tempo up and have as good or better product to enjoy. This isn't my favorite JP cd but I really appreciate and like some of the songs. it's my opinion that Priest would have been better served to have brought in a top producer to add a quality 'outside imput' and guide the cd to more success. If you notice Priest had Tom Allmon, Chris Tsangarides(Painkiller-last sucessful JP cd) and then went down and ultimately away from a quality outside producer. KK and Glenn are good but I think they got too 'tunnel vision' and miss important opportunities because they wanted to save money.
Motley Crue had Bob Rock on their latest cd and it's doing well, Metalica has always used a quality producer and their success speaks for itself. A quality "outside"producer isn't everything but sure helps. Lack of radio airplay has always been a killer for priest tunes!
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| [Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:23:57 AM | |
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Great White, no one is going to bash you for making an intelligent posting (whether it's agreed with or not). If you state something in a nasty manner or out of plain ignorance, then yes, bashing will occur. A great example of why bashing would occur is by looking at the beginning of this thread. Read the first couple of pages of it. There are a ton of good reasons why the person who started this thread got bashed for their comments. On the flip side, people here do seem to in fact, respect those who do not care for a particular JP album(s). For example, I refuse to listen to any of the Ripper-era material b/c it's not Rob on vocals.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Monday, July 14, 2008 3:37:03 PM)| | | Great White wrote: | | Even though I don't like this album it doesn't make me any less a fan than I was before this album came out. I didn't get the bands name tattoo'd on me for the hell of it you know. Funny, I remember back in the early eighties going to priest concerts and it seemed to me that I was the only female fan there, all until Turbo came along, then every chick that was out there jumped on the wagon and went to the concert. I was disgusted because they were all fake fans and sure shit, when Priest went back to the style they were really known for all the "fans" that came with turbo, with the odd exception, all of a sudden weren't fans anymore. Priest could put out any sort of album and I'd still stand by them, I might not like it, but I'm such a hard core fan, I'll never fall by the wayside.
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Monday, July 14, 2008 3:55:01 PM | |
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BANG ON !!!!!!!!!! (AND HELLO FELLOW CANADIAN  ).....I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE...I CAN RECALL THE SAME GROUP OF SO-CALLED FANS......GOOOO AWAY THEY DON'T EVEN GET IT!....BANDWAGONERS  ....BUGGER OFF!!! 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Monday, July 14, 2008 3:37:03 PM)| | | Great White wrote: | | Even though I don't like this album it doesn't make me any less a fan than I was before this album came out. I didn't get the bands name tattoo'd on me for the hell of it you know. Funny, I remember back in the early eighties going to priest concerts and it seemed to me that I was the only female fan there, all until Turbo came along, then every chick that was out there jumped on the wagon and went to the concert. I was disgusted because they were all fake fans and sure shit, when Priest went back to the style they were really known for all the "fans" that came with turbo, with the odd exception, all of a sudden weren't fans anymore. Priest could put out any sort of album and I'd still stand by them, I might not like it, but I'm such a hard core fan, I'll never fall by the wayside.
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| [Great White] Monday, July 14, 2008 3:47:43 PM | |
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| J.D. Diamond, I have to agree with you ever so strongly about not hearing Rocka Rolla on the new album. I made myself listen to it just to hear if there was any sound similiar to the early material. I don't what they're hearing, but there isn't anything remotely similar to the early Priest on the new album. Queensryche, another Metal band that I enjoy, tried the metal opera stuff too, too much in fact. So much that most of the fans they had quit listening because they went off the deep end. I don't mind Priest trying new and inventive material, but I pray they don't continuously pump out metal opera's from now on. |
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| [Great White] Monday, July 14, 2008 3:37:03 PM | |
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Even though I don't like this album it doesn't make me any less a fan than I was before this album came out. I didn't get the bands name tattoo'd on me for the hell of it you know. Funny, I remember back in the early eighties going to priest concerts and it seemed to me that I was the only female fan there, all until Turbo came along, then every chick that was out there jumped on the wagon and went to the concert. I was disgusted because they were all fake fans and sure shit, when Priest went back to the style they were really known for all the "fans" that came with turbo, with the odd exception, all of a sudden weren't fans anymore. Priest could put out any sort of album and I'd still stand by them, I might not like it, but I'm such a hard core fan, I'll never fall by the wayside.
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| [GRINDER *] Monday, July 14, 2008 4:53:02 AM | |
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| The new songs live sounds very"Judas Priest"(at least the 2 they played here in Italy) |
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| [ZaNMaTo] Monday, July 14, 2008 1:04:06 AM | |
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Live it will be awesome. I don't think any fan will disagree there, like the album or not. Wait and see.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:18:05 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | live it could be awesome. the energy live improves most stuff, especialy the slower tracks.
| | | metallark wrote: | | To take it in context, it is my understanding that this Priest effort was geared to play in it's entirely on a Nostradamus tour as well. Most reports indicated that this was to be more along the lines of a metal opera with theatrics, etc. on the tour. Given that, it seems a good explanation for it's length. Some die-hard expectations seem to indicate a classic hard-driving Priest album. Personally I feel they delivered both. The more I listen the more I enjoy.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | You know, I think it is really interesting how people can listen to the same thing and come away with almost opposite impressions. I was actually driving around the other day listening to Nostra and thinking how much I enjoyed it just BECAUSE the album has so many traces of what I have always enjoyed in Priest. Riffs, phrasing, chord progressions, lyrics, shifting from dark to light, how "I am Nostradamus" goes to that almost evil tone of "Do you BELIEEEEEVE!" With absolutely NO technical knowledge of scales and such, it is tough to describe. I could isolate certain "runs" and, if I had the talent and / or patience and could even cite the song where I heard it before if I sat down and thought about it. Sadly, I have neither! Haaaa!!
Is it just because I am a "diehard" Priest fan and think that they can do no wrong? Hmmm…maybe. However, I was also once a diehard Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth fan. I thought they all started producing disasters at one point or another. As hard as I tried to like it, I HATED the last Maiden album. Likewise, I didn't like Ripper-era Priest, didn't like Two, not really a huge fan of Fight although I really liked Halford. I like (not love) Glenn’s solo projects. Why Priest? Question of a lifetime. I am just thankful to have lived during theirs.
Not to say that those who didn’t like it are not “true” fans, by any means. Far from it. A Priest fan of ANY sort is a great thing in my book. For me, though, Nostra gets two thumbs up. If this is their “downfall” they can take me with them.
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| [Head banger] Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:18:05 PM | |
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live it could be awesome. the energy live improves most stuff, especialy the slower tracks.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metallark from Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:43:44 AM)| | | metallark wrote: | | To take it in context, it is my understanding that this Priest effort was geared to play in it's entirely on a Nostradamus tour as well. Most reports indicated that this was to be more along the lines of a metal opera with theatrics, etc. on the tour. Given that, it seems a good explanation for it's length. Some die-hard expectations seem to indicate a classic hard-driving Priest album. Personally I feel they delivered both. The more I listen the more I enjoy.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | You know, I think it is really interesting how people can listen to the same thing and come away with almost opposite impressions. I was actually driving around the other day listening to Nostra and thinking how much I enjoyed it just BECAUSE the album has so many traces of what I have always enjoyed in Priest. Riffs, phrasing, chord progressions, lyrics, shifting from dark to light, how "I am Nostradamus" goes to that almost evil tone of "Do you BELIEEEEEVE!" With absolutely NO technical knowledge of scales and such, it is tough to describe. I could isolate certain "runs" and, if I had the talent and / or patience and could even cite the song where I heard it before if I sat down and thought about it. Sadly, I have neither! Haaaa!!
Is it just because I am a "diehard" Priest fan and think that they can do no wrong? Hmmm…maybe. However, I was also once a diehard Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth fan. I thought they all started producing disasters at one point or another. As hard as I tried to like it, I HATED the last Maiden album. Likewise, I didn't like Ripper-era Priest, didn't like Two, not really a huge fan of Fight although I really liked Halford. I like (not love) Glenn’s solo projects. Why Priest? Question of a lifetime. I am just thankful to have lived during theirs.
Not to say that those who didn’t like it are not “true” fans, by any means. Far from it. A Priest fan of ANY sort is a great thing in my book. For me, though, Nostra gets two thumbs up. If this is their “downfall” they can take me with them.
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| [Head banger] Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:16:07 PM | |
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man, its been like 30 years since the first 4 albums, something has to change. I dont love it, but its not terible.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by doggiedogma from Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:54:52 PM)| | | doggiedogma wrote: | | I also believe this new album shold have been released under a different band moniker, because this is NOT the music that made JP the "Metal Gods". This is NOTHING like the first 4 JP albums, those albums are 99% heavy metal and 1% ballads; the new one is the exact opposite! This should have been released under a JP side project because it is not JP IMO! Comparing this album to Sad Wings, Sin After sin etc.. is wrong and misleading IMO.
I LOVE JP, but NOT this JP; it is alien to me!
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| [hellrider 31038] Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:59:18 PM | |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1slEeEZ9QY i feel the same as you metalmaz.i get to a point in the album where i ask myself what am i listening to and i get irritated and then i hear in my head put on paaaaaiiiinnnkkkiiiilllllllleeerrrr. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalmaz from Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:02:42 AM)
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The more I listen, the less I like it. I've tried so hard to get into it.
There are some very good songs there, but overall I'm very let down.
This album seems to have caused a real split with Priest fans. There is the usual "If you don't like it you're stuipd and you're not a Priest fan" countered with "If you like this pile of shit you must have brain damage"
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| [judaspriestlass] Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:36:42 PM | |
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| Faarrr!!! Downfall is a bit drastic!!! We all love JP or we wouldn't be here wasting our time and energy reading and posting comments about them and their music. The Downfall of priest won't happen from an album being good or bad....no no no...not while all us dedicated fans are here to buy the next album and the next! ...cos you know what.....we all will!!! And many if not most of us have little people who now cherish JP too....like my 13 year old son who is coming with me to the concert! Yes Yes Yes. |
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