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[mike woods] Saturday, August 23, 2008 12:48:46 PM 
havent posted on notice board in ages but seen this topic and had a look, i am down with priest as a fan of the music of priest and nostradamus kick ass i have to listen to it every day so far, seen them at jones beach its great we still have the metal masters thrashing us with judas priest heavy metal !!!!, 

now bow to your kneees and repent if you please !

theyank
[ron h] Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:12:01 AM 
I grew up with Priest, I am 42 yrs. old, and they're like family to me.  I may not always like them, but I will always love them.
Keep Rock'n!! 
[rheis] Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:23:00 AM 
That's a load of crap!

I'm kind of thinking that Nostradamus is Priest's finest hour, in many ways.
[J.D. DIAMOND] Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:59:56 AM 
I think its funny how JudasPriest4Ever creates this thread and gets smashed,trashed and thrashed........(wasn't that a Kiss best of album title or somthin'?lol!)
I agree with the title of this thread because I think it makes sense.

I love Judas Priest and I have for nearly 30 years.....they are my all time favorite band and I appreciate the 100% effort they put into the Nostradamus album........but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I think that if they were to follow this format in any way shape or form,then this could very well be "The Downfall Of Judas Priest" .......in my opinion.  If that means I'm not a Priest fan to any of you,then so be it....I'm not a Priest fan then,ok by me. I am not an "opera fan"....I am not a "music" fan....I am a "metal fan". And to me,Nostradamus as a whole is not "metal". 
Have fun on the corner of "butthurt and bent".

J.D. (Narrow minded)Diamond



Edited at: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:00:52 AM
[kpholmes] Thursday, August 14, 2008 6:29:22 PM 
Meltdown said it all, I need not add more.


THIS THREAD MUST BE DESTROYED!!!!!!!




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[PRIESTMAN] Wednesday, August 13, 2008 2:01:06 PM 
The one thing I can say about Nostradamus is that the more you listen to Nos.  The more you Appreciate KK,Glenn,Ian and Scott as Great musicians and Rob being a Great singer. They wanted to try something new and out of the box and they did. Mission accomplished.

                                                                                                                                                                                               Priestman
[METAL MELTDOWN] Tuesday, August 12, 2008 4:55:26 PM 
I had reservations about this recording which I spoke about on here some time ago.  But I have to say after listening to this countless amounts of times now, driving my kids and my sweetie crazy with it,  that this is the BEST recording that this band has ever done.   

A lot of us were looking for an album of Painkillerish barn burners.  A lot of us were expecting the natural order, Priest wise, to AOR but what we got people was a piece of perfection that takes Priest into a direction that none of us was expecting.  This music has moods, modes, it flows perfectly.  I am somewhat taken aback to the writing of this music.  I knew tipton and downing to be excellent songwriters but this completely is beyond my expectations.

This recording give us Priest fans everything we could have wanted from them.  I dont know how this can be topped......

Oh and this thread is dumb....
[PRIESTMAN] Tuesday, August 12, 2008 12:43:13 PM 
Long time True Priest fans know and accept what Priest has done with Nostradamus  as we did with any of their other releases and New fans after listening to old Priest music will too. The CD debut #11 on the charts that's got to say something. Priest  have in many ways  tried to be the cutting edge and in most cases have. Downfall of Priest? No ! Opening a new genra in Metal? Maybe! Priest has survived for 38 years total from the day KK and Ian decided to put the band together and I really don't see an end in site for Priest. Long live Judas Fucking Priest

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Priestman
[Dime/UNDER BLOOD RED SKIES!!!!] Monday, July 28, 2008 2:28:59 PM 
Ok ok this is all wrong here, the title of this thread just doesnt make sense, The almighty Priest can never fall

for fuck sakes the mighty Judas Priest are the pillars holding the god damn thing up!!!!
[Justin Kenny] Monday, July 28, 2008 10:43:27 AM 
It still eludes me how some fans just haven't absorbed the idea that Priest are a band that are about CHANGE....is it any wonder that no two Priest albums sound alike (the only possible exception being the similarities in style and approach between  "S.F.V"  and  "D.O.T.F")?      Granted...everyone's opinions are going to be just that...opinions...but I still get a twinge of discontent when I see some fans bringing up  "Painkiller"  as the cornerstone of all things Priest  and the absolute standard  by which any/all future Priest-releases will be measured.      Priest are all about taking risks and leaps of faith when it comes to what they create...consequences be damned.    It hasn't hurt them TOO goddamn much...clearly....they're still at it...fans by the thousands are still attending their shows (evidenced by the reviews I've read and the numbers, however approximate--have been stated),  and most importantly...the band STILL looks extremely happy and honored to be in front of their faithful  night after night.     They've never been media darlings...they've never made a tremendous commercial stink about ANYTHING they've done...at this juncture, they know that those who want  to be there most will show up.

Furthermore...at this stage of the game...Priest have nothing to apologize for....nor WILL they.    So...if you're that disgruntled about  "NOSTRADAMUS,"   and you think Priest owe you something for such a shortcoming or  "..downfall"  ...you've  got  one,  long-ass wait.

Being Judas Priest means never having to say you're sorry (speaking strictly in terms of creativity).
[spapad] Monday, July 28, 2008 12:02:35 AM 

HB: notthing is ever the end! Until you die!
Phantom is saying that it is just B/s that people get the wrong vibes about  those albums, get it.

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[Head banger] Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:44:00 PM 
you wouldnt think a band that is together for close to 40 years could have three downfalls would you.  one would be the end, no?
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[guitardude] Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:45:35 PM 
Phantom A6...Well Said!!
Now it is time for this thread to die!!
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[Phantom A6] Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:10:05 PM 
"Point of entry" - the downfall of Priest? Bullshit!
"Turbo" - the downfall of Priest? Extremely Bullshit!
"Nostradamus" - the downfall of Priest? Absolutly Bullshit!

But it's the downfall of the creator of this thread!
Edited at: Sunday, July 27, 2008 1:11:34 PM
[guidogodoy] Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:48:44 PM 
Good point. I also agree that this album is FAR from the "downfall." I'll not post here anymore either. Let this thread die, I say. My vote is for "what do you think."
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:59:46 AM)
[Justin Kenny] Sunday, July 27, 2008 11:05:31 AM 
....umm....remind me to AVOID that thread....be it on THIS board..or any other...
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[Soylentgreen4u] Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:09:58 AM 

HOW ABOUT...'COOKING AND SPANKINGS WITH MARTHA STEWART'...OH I FORGOT...I'M ON THE WRONG BOARD........


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by tasnam1 from Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:59:46 AM)
[tasnam1] Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:59:46 AM 
There are three threads that are discussing the same topic about the new album.
(Downfall of priest, Review of new album, and what do you think)

I propose merging them into one.

I do not believe "The downfall of Priest" is an accurate thread in ANY way since I don't believe it will be even close to their downfall.

I would love to continue this discussion but I am tired of jumping to each of these threads and posting (and reading) the discussion in tandom.

I will stop posting on the "down fall thread" - but which topic should we continue on?
[guidogodoy] Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:09:22 AM 
In all honesty, I cannot blindly say that the fans posting before me (and I have NO doubt of their loyalty to the Almighty Priest) do not hit a chord with their comments ... pun intended. I pondered similar thoughts in the 80s, 90s, and now.

Now I don't think anyone posting on the site here that is worth their salt as a fan could argue that Priest isn't the greatest Metal band on this earth. Hell, I LIVE for Priest and am thinking of driving 20+ hours in two consecutive weeks to see them. Still, I have also questioned the decisions of the promotion team around them. Left me scratching my head more than banging it more than once in my life.

No doubt in my mind. This is the greatest band in the world, metal or otherwise. I do agree that they have been "mishandled." I am just really glad to have been one who "caught on" early and never let go. KISS has one on the market, I want a friggin' PRIEST coffin! Bury my JP guitars with me, all I ask...
Edited at: Sunday, July 27, 2008 12:11:24 AM
[JayDee  Jepsen] Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:20:45 PM 
I love Priest but I don't understand and maybe never will why they put so much (blood,sweat,tears) in to an album then stick their collective heads in the sand when it comes to common sense marketing and promoting their own material. I sense a bit of arrogance on the part of the band when you listen to their interviews. I would says management has the only power of persuasion to know some sense in to JP and obviously they fell short.

My guess is an outside producer would have recommended shorter songer and a 12-14 track cd vs a 23 track filled with an overkill of slow intros. this is what happens when you don't work with quality outside people-you get tunnel vision- and hurt yourself.  Motley Crue, Metalica etc have always had top producers and play their top songs during their concerts and what happens??????????? they have great cd sales!  JP hasn't had a top producer since '90's Painkiller and never plays their best songs on tour... the cd sales or lack there of speak for themselves.

I love Priest but find myself scratching my head all the time at the stupid things they do.  Look! of all songs to make a video of, they make a cartoon video of "war"??? VS 'Alone', 'Visons' or  'Nostradamus'-arguably their best song on the cd- (hello title track)- release "Visons" as a single but no video and no play during concerts???  Play 'death' over Nostradamus at concerts?
Edited at: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:27:01 PM
[Scott Gavin] Saturday, July 26, 2008 5:04:59 PM 
Hey there. I made very similar comments to all of yours when AOR came out [ excluding references to Revolution which I adore, even if the vocal is a little strained in parts]. The War video is terrible, the song is passable but they would never play it live because arguably there are no real instruments on it. Sounds like keyboards , sequencers and a drum machine to me [ not that I care, just making the point]. Visions is a poppier sounding track, probably the best shot at getting some airplay. I agree Alone would have been a better single/video. The song is a clear winner, just scroll through these postings and its probably mentioned in 2 out of 3. The band would be wise to harness this interest/popularity and push the song to rock radio. It is a little long but they could do a radio edit. I also agree that they need to play at least one more song from the album in the setlist, and I also agree that they should substitute Death for Alone or Persecution, would also have preferred Nostrodamus to Prohecy. I wonder if this is all down to tuning and production reasons [ not to mention Robs desire for theatricality!]. I remember Ripper saying they could never do Cathedral Spires live due to the fact they tune their instruments to a certain level [ someone here will know what I mean!] Still hoping that by the Auckland show they will beef up the set maybe with LAM , Revolution or Deal with ... , and maybe one more Nostrodamus song, but not holding my breath [ and who cares anyway?] 42 sleeps to go ... don't break a leg guys!
[tasnam1] Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:16:47 PM 

You and I don't know if was skimping on money.
It could have just been a "personal fulfillment goal" to produce their own album.  

Regardless, when you have a critically accaimed project like PAINKILLER (that seems to get MORE respect as time goes on), wouldn't you repeat the same formula?

Perhaps they couldn't get along with Chris?
I remember an inteview on Behind the music with Def Leppard and they said they dreaded working with Mutt Lang - but they did it anyway and look at the sales result and quality result in the end.

Either way (regardless of producer - which is not my biggest beef here) what they "push" to the public is always "against the grain".  They become their own worst enemy from a marketiing stand point.
I am a DIE HARD FAN.  I will listen to everything and admire them and their work - they don't have to win ME over on each album.

I am rooting for them to be bigger, and to attract those that are on the fence or not even fans at all.
Sometimes THEY close that door themselves with their marketing ideas.
 (These could be outside decisions - perhaps out of their control - I don't know) 


Edited at: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:19:03 PM
Edited at: Saturday, July 26, 2008 4:21:00 PM
[Bulldawg] Saturday, July 26, 2008 8:05:05 AM 
They need to announce an Atlanta show...................I don't like this!
[JayDee  Jepsen] Friday, July 25, 2008 10:57:41 PM 
I completely get and agree with your assesment about change in management.  you would think the things we talk about would be common sense.
1. why release "visions" as a single but no video? don't play it on tour? Why a half ass video like "war" vs quality production of Nostradamus?
2.JP released "worth fighting for from AOR but never played it on tour except in Japan.
3. why skimp with money and produce the record yourself vs having a quality ourtside producer. Tom Allmon, Chris T- after that down hill and down in sales
4. why only play 1 intro and 2 ok songs (current tour) from Nos. vs playing 5 + of the cd's strong songs? Their actions say they're afraid of what the crowd wants.
5. you release a single but don't play it-so people don't request it on the radio?
6. start the Nostradamus internet promo with title song but don't play it live. that's one of their best songs! They should have that as the OPENER to the show! that would grab the audience much better than "dawn of creation"
7. drop "Death" and play "ALONE" which is 10x a better song.

To sump it up, in some ways they've taken great chances musically and made fantastic songs then fplay safe and fuck up on the basics of promoting.. I can't imagine how JP is expecting future success with a 'full Nostradamus concert' when they blow the current tour opportunity to pump the audience up for the cd by only playing 1 intro and 2 ok songs from the new cd?
Edited at: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:02:41 PM
[tasnam1] Friday, July 25, 2008 9:13:17 PM 
Jaydee,

You are correct on much of your post.  I am a die hard fan would love to see them bigger and more popular then they are/have been.

 Some things they do make me scratch my head.  

I don't know if it is their marketing company (like Jayne Andrews)? or them personally.
From my understanding they have been with her/marketing manager for years.

There sometimes(not always) is some benefit in swtiching "vendors" from time to time to get a fresh perspective on your business.  (Painkiller producer speaks for itself)

And remember this is a business.  
I know most people don't want to think that way since it takes some fun emotion out of it, but if you have seen interviews from any rock band or performer, they will always tell you in interviews at some point you have to 'grow up'{paraphrased} and treat it like a business.

Again, though some things they do make me scratch my head.
The singles they have always picked seem to be off the mark compared to other GREAT options on the albums - and this is an on going issue for them
(Revolution vs. Deal w/Devil or Demonizer) 
(Not pushing RecklessOut in the Cold from Turbo) 
(Pushing WAR to the MTV world (which the song is just ok "a 5/10" - the video sucks) vs. Alone or Persecution) 
(Not releasing a second Video off Ram it Down - like Heavy Metal) (BTW - I like Johnny B. Goode, but it was not enough from the album) 
(Don't go video vs. Desert Plains)

I could go on, but you get the idea.

  
[JayDee  Jepsen] Friday, July 25, 2008 5:01:01 PM 
I just saw the JP in Seattle and over all is was a awesome show! However I noticed some, what I would consider. errors in judgment on the part of the band that would affect the sales of Nostradamus.
First very few people know the band has a new cd because there's no radio support. JP only played 3 songs from the new cd and they weren't even the best songs. For example "death" should have been dropped and substituted for "percecution", nostradamus", "alone", & "visions". JP needs to play to the cd's strengths and let the crowd know which new songs are from Nostradamus. The whole night Rob never mentioned once that they had a new cd or talked about it with the crowd- just  a Nostradamus banner.   In the old days Rob always talked about the new cd and told the crowd what songs are from the new cd AND played all the GOOD songs, vs some of the "B" songs....

Just an observation but jp should deffinitely have the title track in the set list. Also if you have a video,"War", it would be a good idea to put that in the setlist and promote it... If you're going to have a full Nostradamus show-TOUR- then it's a good idea to 'prime the pump' on this tour with all the great new songs and not just a few ok songs.
Edited at: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:03:54 PM
[Dime/UNDER BLOOD RED SKIES!!!!] Friday, July 25, 2008 3:12:46 AM 
Man, totally agree, the whole album being just one theme, pretty one one swaying emtional mood. Its fucked up how good it really is. So amazingly good. Automatically a favourite. I was too very blown away. Awesome, sadly didnt play enough of it at the show tonight though. Only 2 songs.
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[.] Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:47:00 PM 
Or the Trans Siberia Orchestra...but I already know you don't like Nostradamus and so all you do is repeat yourself like a scratched cd.
[metalmaz] Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:57:01 PM 
Well if they wrote it to be NEW- they have clearly never heard much other music. It's all been done before. (like by Andrew Llyod Webber)

Nostraboredus be a more apt title.  

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[Freek] Sunday, July 20, 2008 2:40:33 AM 

Its like nothing else they've ever done.. they've outdone themselves.. just a testament to what they can do.. they put all their talents into something far different from the norm... the addition of strings.. singing in foreign tongues..  piano.. spanish guitar.. Im blown away.. this is my favorite JP album... not a hard fan to please tho, as I'm a big fan of Point of Entry..


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[t5priest] Saturday, July 19, 2008 9:35:34 PM 
I LOVE THIS RECORD TO DEATH !!
thank you rob , glen and kk for making this great , great record !!!!!
and i'm one of the very few who loved demolition and couldn't stand angel .
just shows we all like different things !! priest rules !!
[Metallark] Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:41:41 PM 
Great...Great...point.
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[alecs56] Saturday, July 19, 2008 12:23:34 PM 
Why does every time a new album come out, people have to compare it to previous material, They wrote this to be NEW not OLD, Listen, enjoy and move on.
[Metallark] Friday, July 18, 2008 11:22:00 PM 
Well put....Never_Surrender! There is still thunder in these songs and great creativity. These guys are still amazing.
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[Metallark] Friday, July 18, 2008 11:14:50 PM 
Amen....Metal brother. Crank that baby until JP can feed us more down the road.
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[Aikman (Matt Frost)] Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:44:56 PM 
Downfall?  I don't think so, Tim.  Priest comes out with a concept album, and people think they are headed for the shitter?  Makes no sense to me.  This album is brilliant.  Granted, it's not Screaming For Vengeance like, but it's a work of it's own.  Give it time, and it will grow on you.  I myself can't wait for the next priest album, but in the mean time, Im going to crank the shit out of this one.  GO PRIEST!!  July 22, Seattle.. Can't wait to see you again!!!!

M
[scaryman] Wednesday, July 16, 2008 8:06:41 PM 

 I make Dpk right there! I think the thread 'Review of Nostradamus' is a better example though, If you look at the first thread and so on, you can draw your own conclusions.


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[Sad_Wings86] Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:06:38 PM 
i think that nostradamus is masterpiece.this album contains feelings like malincony with dark e epic elements.i disagree with who  say this is not  priest sound,if we look  back  there are many elements with albums like sad wings of destiny or sin after sin(for example the acustic part of alone remainds me to sad wings atmosfere)mixed with some dark elements of defenders of the faith(propechy e pestilence and plague)or heavy sound of painkiller album(nostradamus and persecution e death)plus new  elements.this is another wonderfull evolution of judas priest the eternal metal gods
[guidogodoy] Tuesday, July 15, 2008 4:03:37 PM 
Good point about that outside producer. Just like many things in life, it often helps to have an outside person critique.
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[JayDee  Jepsen] Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:29:41 PM 
I feel JP could have trimmed some of the slow intros and made this into a 'trimmed down' 1 disk cd to keep the total cd tempo up and have as good or better product to enjoy. This isn't my favorite JP cd but I really appreciate and like some of the songs. it's my opinion that Priest would have been better served to have brought in a top producer to add a quality 'outside imput' and guide the cd to more success. If you notice Priest had Tom Allmon, Chris Tsangarides(Painkiller-last sucessful JP cd) and then went down and ultimately away from a quality outside producer. KK and Glenn are good but I think they got too 'tunnel vision' and miss important opportunities because they wanted to save money.

Motley Crue had Bob Rock on their latest cd and it's doing well, Metalica has always used a quality producer and their success speaks for itself.  A quality "outside"producer isn't everything but sure helps. Lack of radio airplay has always been a killer for priest tunes!
Edited at: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 1:33:48 PM
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, July 15, 2008 3:23:57 AM 
Great White, no one is going to bash you for making an intelligent posting (whether it's agreed with or not).  If you state something in a nasty manner or out of plain ignorance, then yes, bashing will occur.  A great example of why bashing would occur is by looking at the beginning of this thread.  Read the first couple of pages of it.  There are a ton of good reasons why the person who started this thread got bashed for their comments.  On the flip side, people here do seem to in fact, respect those who do not care for a particular JP album(s).  For example, I refuse to listen to any of the Ripper-era material b/c it's not Rob on vocals.
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[Soylentgreen4u] Monday, July 14, 2008 3:55:01 PM 

BANG ON !!!!!!!!!! (AND HELLO FELLOW CANADIAN ).....I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE...I CAN RECALL THE SAME GROUP OF  SO-CALLED FANS......GOOOO AWAY THEY DON'T EVEN GET IT!....BANDWAGONERS ....BUGGER OFF!!! 


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[Great White] Monday, July 14, 2008 3:47:43 PM 
J.D. Diamond, I have to agree with you ever so strongly about not hearing Rocka Rolla on the new album.  I made myself listen to it just to hear if there was any sound similiar to the early material.  I don't what they're hearing, but there isn't anything remotely similar to the early Priest on the new album.  Queensryche, another Metal band that I enjoy, tried the metal opera stuff too, too much in fact.  So much that most of the fans they had quit listening because they went off the deep end.  I don't mind Priest trying new and inventive material, but I pray they don't continuously pump out metal opera's from now on.
[Great White] Monday, July 14, 2008 3:37:03 PM 
Even though I don't like this album it doesn't make me any less a fan than I was before this album came out.  I didn't get the bands name tattoo'd on me for the hell of it you know.  Funny, I remember back in the early eighties going to priest concerts and it seemed to me that I was the only female fan there, all until Turbo came along, then every chick that was out there jumped on the wagon and went to the concert.  I was disgusted because they were all fake fans and sure shit, when Priest went back to the style they were really known for all the "fans" that came with turbo, with the odd exception, all of a sudden weren't fans anymore.  Priest could put out any sort of album and I'd still stand by them, I might not like it, but I'm such a hard core fan, I'll never fall by the wayside.
Edited at: Monday, July 14, 2008 3:38:58 PM
[GRINDER *] Monday, July 14, 2008 4:53:02 AM 
The new songs live sounds very"Judas Priest"(at least the 2 they played here in Italy)
[ZaNMaTo] Monday, July 14, 2008 1:04:06 AM 
Live it will be awesome. I don't think any fan will disagree there, like the album or not. Wait and see.
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[Head banger] Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:18:05 PM 
live it could be awesome.  the energy live improves most stuff, especialy the slower tracks.
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[Head banger] Sunday, July 13, 2008 9:16:07 PM 
man, its been like 30 years since the first 4 albums, something has to change.  I dont love it, but its not terible.
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[hellrider 31038] Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:59:18 PM 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1slEeEZ9QY i feel the same as you metalmaz.i get to a point in the album where i ask myself what am i listening to and i get irritated and then i hear in my head put on  paaaaaiiiinnnkkkiiiilllllllleeerrrr.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalmaz from Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:02:42 AM)
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[judaspriestlass] Sunday, July 13, 2008 7:36:42 PM 
Faarrr!!! Downfall is a bit drastic!!!  We all love JP or we wouldn't be here wasting our time and energy reading and posting comments about them and their music.  The Downfall of priest won't happen from an album being good or bad....no no no...not while all us dedicated fans are here to buy the next album and the next!  ...cos you know what.....we all will!!!  And many if not most of us have little people who now cherish JP too....like my 13 year old son who is coming with me to the concert! Yes Yes Yes.  
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