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Please discuss impact of spirituality and "the devil" on Priest, metal and pop rock culture


[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:30:13 PM 
  If even adults at times can't understand why they're being taken to the doctor, and will not accept or understand any explanation, I don't think you can say the pet is doing anything different. 
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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:23:05 PM 
Perhaps giraffes are evil. With evil thoughts they may be eating all the leafs on a tree so the other giraffes will die of starvation. heheheh (plagiarism....)

We (humans) know WE can create concepts. We, however, don't know if the cat or the dog - or the giraffe - is creating concepts and talking to the others of their kin in their own specific language.about said concepts. If you don't know the language and the mentality, how do you know what they're saying to each other? They have brains too, only their brains are geared to their own world, kinda like us humans have a brain geared towards our world, how we socialize with each other and deal with the challenges we are presented with.

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[heimda11] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:44:12 PM 
Enjoying the dialogue.  We Judas Priest fans rock.
The ruling forces and power of belief are marching us inexcoribly toward the end of an age, not cataclysmic Ragnarok, at least not yet.  I think the Harlot of Babylon from Revelations is Free Masonry.  Free Masonry at its best is tolerant, rational, replete with wise representation and prepared to disseminate historical perspective to a secular populace via the information age.  It is the "Dawning of the Age of Aquarius".  Pisces, the fish, symbol of Christianity, will thrive in the "water world" but so will many other perspectives.  The New World Order or One World Government is being implemented.  This is the stage being set for a man who is going to claim to be the Anti-Christ.  (I have a strange hope the Anti-Christ will actually work DIRECTLY for the Almighty but certainly not holding my breath on that.)  Many consider the United States of America the third beast of Revelation.  America is consciously being dumbed down, but we are healthy and strong, perfect for empire.  What am I going to do about it?  I'm going to try to pay my rent every month and continue to be a loving Father for my three sons to the best of my ability.  On bent knee I offer my sword and my prayers to the Almighty in this life and, if so fortunate, in any further adventures.
[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:40:19 PM 
Sorry but animals dont understand the concept of evil as we do.
We have a brain who creates concepts. They havent that tool of abstraction. Evil is human. Only human can do evil

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:39:47 PM 
 Can't we go back to discussing religion?

 It's less complicated than discussing the nature of time LOL

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:38:42 PM 
A kid can understand if you explain it this. A PET CAN´T

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:36:53 PM 
 Haven't you taken a kid to the doctor and the kid just be a miserable little weasel?

 Same thing with spoiled pets. Take any human out of their comfort zone and they'll kick and scream like they're being hurt. 

Birds build very complicated nests out of materials they pick. Muddobbers do too. Otters use rocks to bash oysters. Monkeys at a zoo actually pick human hairs and use them as dental floss! So they too create change in their environment by the way of tools. It's the mere level of change we create that differentiates us from them. This is a much more science-driven approach than the previous more mythological arguments.

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:27:02 PM 
The time is maybe circular, we ignore a lot of things. 
But the old and new testament can be studied, compared and related to the cultures of their time. There are paremeters for all that. It is not so simple as to manipulate things as it seems.
Just want to listen Judas once more.

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:24:55 PM 
Animals do not know what is evil, something human. A concept. An animal can discuss like we are doing about something abstract. That is all.They cannot analyze and discuss. They react.
Take your pet to the vet. The pet see the vet as someone who can hurt it ( evil) and try to avoid him. But the vet want to help it.
Evil is a concept. Concept is a fruit of a brain, an human brain. That is all

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:16:37 PM 
Both New and Old Testaments can and will be turned into whatever it is someone wants to turn them into, so yes, it's a very circular discussion, this Good/Evil discussion. It's also very easy to have such conversations degenerate rather quickly, thekissofjudas ;-)

The arrow of time points one way only and entropy goes along with it. 

But I have to say that animals understand Evil very well. Better than humans, in fact. It's true that dogs and other animals can sense a threat from specific people who, to us, don't seem to be doing anything wrong. 

And yes, Judas Priest are very good musicians. That's why I like them so much. I feel spiritually uplifted when I hear their music, but without the religious connotation. I get high on their guitars and that voice! That YT vid with the Painkiller played backwards just made think what great musicians they are when their stuff played backwards sounds sooooooooooooooo awesome!

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:04:07 PM 
We create culture and its meaning, not only objects. We cannot live without objects, like animals. They are part of our enviroment. How much you attach to the object and their symbolic meaning, power, money, etc is the problem.
Evil is what divide, destroy, pervert. Animal dont have a brain to understand that.
They cannot evaluate relations like us, they are not mother and father, cousin, boss and the like.
Evil make us see we have to anything to survive and enjoy, without feeling nothing for the rest. Evil is selfishness to the ultimate consequences. Stupids are those who think there is someone interested on buying soul, lol.
Well, meanings are dead with who have written? No. The new testament is not so fresh, the texts are related to a civilzition that is dead, too.
Genesis told the world of other times, but told the world of man's psychis. Knwoledgement equals death, end of innocent, lack of protection from the leader of the tribe.
It is enough for me. Devil and its troupe are just a bunch of nightmare for ignorants.
Good and evil too much to discuss in metal band fourm.
I love Judas Priest.
They are great musicians, relevant musicians.
Philosophy is other thing.
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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:48:20 PM 
What is Evil to you?
What harms you and hurts you.

What is Good to you?
What protects and loves you.

Humans react just the same as animals. We just communicate differently. Our upbringing and faith in making all of these objects we are surrounded by makes us foolishly think we're better.
As we depend on objects for our very own survival when animals just rely on their physical and social skills, it makes me think we actually are devolving instead of evolving. 

I don't think that in reading the Genesis you will uncover anything. The Bible is but a mere picking of writings, some like the Genesis, created centuries or a couple of millenia before. They were relevant in their time, for their very limited and specific audience. The Old Testament was to be read in an environment such as a synagogue and by people who could understand what was really being meant, and mainly, a male audience (I don't think women were allowed to learn how to read and write).

Genesis can be analized to death and you can reach any conclusion you want because the real meanings have died along with the people who wrote it. The New Testament is far more relevant, IMO. 

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:25:27 PM 
i think that the point is that you mentioned Discovery channerl and other USA channel that manipulate the scientific knowledgement and blurred the reality:
feelings like anger, fear, etc are no thought neither reason. They react, and is their right, they need to survive. We have a brain that has evolutioned, thanks to a God/ Nature  maybe, but we are animals, with intelligence and intellegence discovers the evil. That is the nature of the sin, read the Genesis. It is quite simple to understand, we know evil now.
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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:17:08 PM 
I agree with you, the occultism doesn't really interest me for the simple fact that it's just a bunch of excuses for whatever (birds of a feather)...but since it captivates the imagination of people and tends to play with their beliefs and ingrained prejudices, I guess it has some glamor to it....therefore so many metal bands use these outdated bronze age symbolisms on their covers.

Animals have feelings. They feel jealous, they trick you, they are happy and sad. It's that we, as humans, are losing our empathy with the natural world. Unless you handle animals on a daily basis, like on a farm, you really would think that they just act and have none of those traits we consider human. 

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:06:40 PM 
 Germans are nothing more and nothing less than invaders from Asia. 
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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:05:21 PM 
Nature may be considered good for itself, for being the ultimate source of live, then man and woman see GOOD... Moral is attained to man. Nature is life and death, nature is considered the ruler and source of all. Evil is only human,evil is something born from withit the human soul, betrayal, greed, envy...animals have those feeling? Absurd... where is the evil in Nature? Only man tagged animal behave as good and evil and it is totally absurd. Animal dont understand, think and choose, they only act.. I know about the svastika and the fork. I know many things of the ocultism, that is the reason I am not interested in it any more ;) just be human

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:00:12 PM 
 And what if nature is evil too?

You say God is Nature and immediately state it's inherently Good, and that the Devil is Evil. But there is plenty of "evil" in nature.

If you ever watched Discovery or National Geographic, you can see there is plenty of horror in nature and if Humans are to do some of the same things that animals do then Humans are "doing the Devil's work": raping their underlings and their young, killing them, killing others, and using their bodily fluids to mark territory. Animals also kill for the thrill, not just to eat. Animals, such as rats and rabbits, are always sexually aroused and will multiply fast and they don't care if they are humping their own kin. Wasps can implant eggs on worms and when they hatch they eat their host alive. 
Yet, rabbits are the Eastern European (pagan) symbol for Easter. 

If anyone pays attention to symbols, what is the pitchfork supposed to mean anyway? Or the swastika? EVIL? 

Yet, both are ultimate symbols of GOOD in Asian cultures. Shiva holds a pitchfork. 

There is more to talking about religion than what the tv indoctrinates you with, even if I used television channels as an example. 

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:29:34 PM 
Well, people, humanity lost many energies and lives fighting during thousands of years for religious and political causes, that are the same. Stop this stupity, if you want peace, justice and a world where every child can grow with dignity, stop the evil inside your heart. A God who punishes, a devil who deceives, people who sold their soul to something ureal...a lot of rubbish.
One priest told my mother that God does not send anybody to hell,  God loves all people, forgives every error...that priest was removed from our church. And that idea stuck to me.
If there a God, he/she has to be tolerant enough to understand us all, we are creation of that Being. Devil is just a figure to design evil, as God is another to design the nature.
I believe in that God I mentioned, but think that most religious, satanism itself, intoxicated and divided innocent people. Metal uses symbols and are symbols that shock mediocre people. Stop ocultism and all those idiocy, I have studied that, and found a lot of old supertision. Be aware, we have to be aware that only man and woman can be God here to change the world. WAR, HUNGER, CONTAMINATION ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT that the ignorant who rants about Priest.

Edited at: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:36:22 PM
[heimda11] Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:13:30 PM 
Many of us don't believe in God or the Devil, many more certainly don't believe in any organized religions.  It is easy to feel like none of this video content really matters because it is art, attitude, music, a word:  METAL!  And, God, I LOVE METAL.
First, what WE believe isn't the only thing that matters.  Our lives are fleeting on this fragile biosphere and the power of belief is often stronger than the power of reality.  Even if you don't believe, basic intelligence and self-preservation (both culturally and genetically) dictate you UNDERSTAND the forces that are manipulating and controlling our prime material existence.
God and the Devil are very real if for no other reason than man believes and behaves accordingly.  Prophetic vision is often realized because we make it so.
Most of the issues and ideas discussed in this video are the issues and ideas I think about every day.  Study of the occult is essential to understanding reality.  If anyone wants to discuss specific points, I can be of assistance...from a very non-traditional perspective. 
I would definately say to everyone...wake up.  I don't even know where to start so I'll make it personal.  The cultural manifestation of God that makes sense to me is the Germanic.  I think the One God (monotheism) has many names.  Give props, though, to Judaism because they are the oldest, institutionalized monothestic religion, although the origins and roots are a bit more complicated.   I can feel the honor bound culture of the Germanics (Danes, Vikes, Norse, etc.) coursing through my veins.  Honestly, it is METAL coursing through our veins.  This is why I consider Sammy Hagar's tune "Heavy Metal" to be spiritual, "Take me Heavy Metal!" 
Lucifer (or the mortal embodiment of) has been using archetypal colonial strategies apparently from the dawn of civilization:  Divide and Conquer - Divide and Rule.  Organized religions and their dogma are as controlled by Lucifer as are his more obvious minions.  For example, the often facist, murdering thousand years of Catholic rule (and I'm not anti-Catholic or anti-Semitic at all) forced most thinking artists, writers, scientists, philosophers into the Rosicrucians, Illuminati and Free Masons.  Many of our BEST human beings and greatest minds (many of us on this Judas Priest intra-net) are forced by an intentionally polarized society into certain paths.  Please understand the great architects are primarly concerned with social, political and economic design.  The path that I have CHOSEN says if I die in battle bravely and honorable I go to heaven.  If I do not, I go to Hel with the women and children.  Hel is originally a Nordic construct I think.  I think I've got MUCH of this figured out and NOT in the way any part of the system wants spoken.  God is the Father (often considered the sun from my ancient neolithic Aryan Sionist roots) and Hel is the Mother (mater in latin or matter), the Queen of the Underworld.  "Lucifer" does not reign in Hel, but rather on earth. 
To make it even crazier, I was a self-diagnosed schizophrenic in college and am neither now at 42, meaning I'm not susceptible to voices in my head like one who hasn't been where I've been.  When something that I have to call a demon entered my throat uninvited less than 2 years ago I got truly scared for the first time in my life and called to God for help.  I was blessed because help came instantly and then I had the opportunity to actually converse with the Almighty.  I don't care if anyone believes me and nor does that matter.  I got the impression that the Almighty is cool with me (to my surprise) but, also to my surprise, truly DEMANDS HIS RESPECT.  I believe the Almighty is very open to individual and cultural expression IF you hold no God before Him.  This got wierd(er) quck but I can answer MANY MANY MANY question that this video raises.  Most importantly, please don't let the "Devil" take any of us, God will love us for who we are if we worship Him.
[Budred] Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:27:23 AM 
Guys/Gals, take the time to check out the video I posted below.
I'm really curious to see how some respond. Forget about me, just watch and give an honest opinion.

Edited at: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:29:35 AM
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