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Judas Priest and Spirituality
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Please discuss impact of spirituality and "the devil" on Priest, metal and pop rock culture


[heimda11] Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:15:31 PM 

Hmmm, soybean curd might be the answer.  Teach them to make tofu.

[.] Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:04:43 PM 
Yeah, but...what if there aren't any more fish in the ocean because of over-fishing?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:02:16 PM)
[heimda11] Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:02:16 PM 
It is all about the children.  It is critical to teach them to fish rather than just give them a fish.
[.] Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:58:51 PM 
If the rent wasn't so goddamn high, the children would have enough to eat.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by thekissofjudas from Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:51:53 PM)
[thekissofjudas] Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:51:53 PM 
 A child dying of hunger is more important than any further consiration.

[heimda11] Friday, July 22, 2011 10:07:17 PM 
Omfg . I am a total Asimov fan and a Priest fan.  Ha.  We have much in common.  (Forgive me if I'm one of the idiots hardwired to shed my blood on the battlefield for nothing but my twisted sense of honor.  But I'm a good friend to cover your back.)

Odd funny story...

I was recently out of a divorce a few years back and working three jobs:  loading trucks at UPS, cooking at a biker bar and unloading trucks for Pottery Barn.  (I joke that my liberal arts college education helped hone the ability to think critically, speak, write...would you like fries with that?)  Anyway, just finished my shift at the biker bar and was nursing my shift drink at the bar.  This dude sat down near me and I couldn't help but notice him without staring.  He was 70 plus years old and dressed impeccibly in black with with very short white hair.  This dude was sooo sharp looking in black that I couldn't help but think he looked like an embodiment of the devil.  Sorry to go there but anyone would of thought the same.  This dude had a PRESENCE.  Totally out of the blue, with no introduction, he said to me, "Name three Russian Jews."  I'm a former Shakespearean actor so sometimes play a situation perfectly for effect.  I calmly looked up from my drink and said, "Andre Sakharov, Alexandre Solzinitzen and Isaac Asimov."  Then calmly went back to my drink.  Not another word was said but I could tell he about shit himself.  Ha.  I wanted to say alright dude did I win the golden fiddle?  But for maximum effect didn't say another word and neither did he.  Hah.
[.] Friday, July 22, 2011 2:50:22 PM 
Sorry, Budred. I know you did. However, the video (I saw it) left me pretty indifferent.
I never made the relation between Judas Priest and the Devil. Since the Devil personifies the lack of order, how can music, which is a form or order of notes and rhythm, be of evil?

There is something to be said about music: that it is a way to enlist soldiers in worthless wars. And War IS Evil.
I'm sure there were plenty of nationalistic anthems sung in church choirs and theaters to get the young studs to kill others and to die ingloriously in the trenches.

But I never felt like joining the army when I listen to Judas Priest.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, July 22, 2011 9:42:24 AM)
[.] Friday, July 22, 2011 2:35:13 PM 
The UNICEF works closely with all religious organizations.
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[.] Friday, July 22, 2011 2:34:06 PM 
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

I'm sure you've read the books.
I got so hooked on Asimov I can't read any other sci-fi writers without laughing out loud, and that includes Ray Bradbury.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, July 22, 2011 9:52:37 AM)
[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:58:52 PM 
Edited at: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:00:07 PM
[Head banger] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:58:49 PM 
my politics are conservative (canadian) and I am an athiest.  I fear no devil
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[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:54:27 PM 
 I think that in the AngloSaxon culture the fear of the Devil and conservative politics go hand in hand, and any flashing of "satanic" ( omg) content alters those stupids too much...
The "evil" symbols in metal bands are a sign of anti cultural behave, of breaking point, and in most cases, are only that. Of course, there are other gang of idiotas figthing for satan...
[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:45:35 PM 
A lot of idiocy, Lucifer's eyes
Oh My God 
pure ignorance, Ra's eye and 
notice that the  the twin pillars are in the bible, temple of solomon, the two witness of apocalypsis
the two witness before God's altar
God's eyes is in many catholic illustration, of course, it is taken from Ra
as ever 
I cant waist my time on this   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:50:51 AM)
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[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:39:07 PM 
A Pope said that the hell was not a physical place. But there is not hell possibily....I told in this thread that a catholic priest told my mother that nobody goes to hell. He got kicked off our church. I was catholic, I feel still christian
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, July 22, 2011 10:27:24 AM)
[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:35:34 PM 
 I repeat:
this is not the best place to discuss religion, philosophy or/and ethics. Neither I think we are all ready to do it, even me, because you should spend long years of research, study and investigation to say something of value.
I can only say that the concept of evil lies in a brain, which creates a mind ,and acomplex series of interrelation through the body and the social enviroment, learning and judging about abstraction more than experience. A super computer is just a lame part of a brain, has no "bodY" nor " social experiences"; only simulates some experiences under directions. We cannot commit the mistake that think that animals can tell good from evil only by sensations ( evil is what hurts? hurts what?); good is what protects ( how does it protect?):
Go to the dentist and you will be hurt for your good.
Protect yourself in autoindulgence and lose all courage.
Just is not that simple.
Animal cannot understand subtle games of the mind, discussion about patriotism, nations, religions, true.

How an animal tell a true religion from a false?

They don´t know what is a religion.

How some people be so ignorant to sell their soul (? what is a soul: an abstract concept) to the devil ( an unreal being, another abstract concept) and wait to be rich and famous for that ( more abstract concepts). That belongs to the Dr Fausto age.

Please, religion has done much harm in this world thanks to the man and women who uses it as a weapon. Try that your belief be to good,generous and humild. I am trying.
This is the end ;)

[Budred] Friday, July 22, 2011 10:27:24 AM 
I was attempting to research my own question and apparently it was the Pope who claimed there was
no physical hell. I guess the bible does discuss it. Just ignore my question because I really don't care anymore.
I'm spending way too much time on something I have no use for. To each his own no matter his/her beliefs. My
criticism or sarcasm is towards religion not those who practice it. Even if some of my posts seem like personal
attacks on any one person they are not meant to be taken that way. Sometimes I resond on impulse and anger
without thinking through what I'm writing and go against my own beliefs. I apologize for that. In a stable mindset
I truly believe "To each his own". I do not judge and I do not hate. I preach tolerance as the key to peace.
Unfortunately too many people are intolerant of others and believe their beliefs are the way it should be. Well, it's
not. We all have our own mind and were all free to use it as we see fit. Peace all! Love ya'.(LOL)

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[Budred] Friday, July 22, 2011 9:52:37 AM 
A computer doesn't have a brain so I can't imagine it will ever have human thought.
It can only do what it's programmed to so there can never be human emotion only reaction.
It can never create evil only replicate it. Don't fear the computer, fear man, the real root of all evil.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Friday, July 22, 2011 12:43:44 AM)
[Budred] Friday, July 22, 2011 9:42:24 AM 
I was hoping to get responses from some of you on the video I posted and instead I got this.
There was so much back and forth I'm wondering if many of you even saw it. I'd post it again but
maybe you guys just don't want to respond. Either or it's cool.

Maybe someone will comment on this. It's not about promoting anti-religion, I'm looking for genuine

I was watching a TV show  about religion and it was mentioned that Catholics and the vatican made up
the story about hell, and basically admitted it doesn't exist. Has anyone here heard this? I've never read the bible
nor will I but to anyone who has can you tell me where in the bible(Old Testament) it describes or talks about
hell? Does anyone have knowledge of the Vatican actually admitting this? If it were to be true why should we believe
anything the Vatican tells us about religion or god? Anyone?

Edited at: Friday, July 22, 2011 9:44:24 AM
[Head banger] Friday, July 22, 2011 9:40:53 AM 
I sugest some of you check out the incarnations of imortality series by piers anthony.  its fiction, but some interesting insight into religion thruought, and an entertaining read.
[heimda11] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:43:44 AM 
...sooo what about super computers?  If we can't agree on animals lets complicate the conversations even further.  Can or will binary code generate emotion, free will and ultimately evil?  Surely a super computer can be programmed (or even program itself) for self perpetuation, which is the primary responsibility of all carbon based life forms. 

Since sense of humor is arguably the highest form of intellegence, maybe the question should be, do animals have a sense of humor?  When I was having a few beers yesterday I swear my friend's dog smiled at me.
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