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Please discuss impact of spirituality and "the devil" on Priest, metal and pop rock culture


[thekissofjudas] Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:21:11 PM 
 thanks Heimda11
to say that, you have to be a beaufitul person too ;)
and a Judas Fan ;)

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[heimda11] Friday, August 05, 2011 5:21:53 PM 
TheKissofJudas, you are a beautiful person
[thekissofjudas] Friday, August 05, 2011 1:56:59 PM 
 Dont call it faith, call it freedom of take the things are they are.

I see lot of violent guys who beat I should be afraid of every man on earth? There are good guys, nice guys, excellent guys...why tagged all as sexist, violent, dominat?

Thanks for your faith ;)
A sister of metal you will find in me

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[thekissofjudas] Friday, August 05, 2011 1:53:29 PM 
 Yes, it is true. Art is free, art can take you where you want to go or where the artist wants to take you. Interpretion of art is almost impossible of out of the subjectivity but the artist opens many roads to take you beyond your low expectative interpretation. Like the great painters of the Holy Things, they were suspected of heresy and maybe there were some symbolic content that the Church would not approve if it were not concealed after imganes and symbols. Freedom of religion and mind were prohibited then.
All culture is symbolic and interpretation, oscure and hard.  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalgodess from Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:31:02 PM)
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[heimda11] Friday, August 05, 2011 11:02:44 AM 
Right on.  Great art is often multi-layered.  The prophetic visions of great artists like the mighty Priest are clouded in mystery as many choices are yet to be made.
[metalgodess] Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:31:02 PM 

back to spirituality....I realize that pretty much everything is open to interpretation, and your mind will go where it wants to go.  Take Tyrant - song about the devil, song about an angry God pissed off at a dysfunctional world, or is it a song about anti-establishment/anti-government?  Same thing with The Sentinel - good or evil? You pick.  Morons like Tipper Gore et all will push their 'Satanic' agenda until the cows come home.  You take the song and believe what you want...

[heimda11] Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:01:27 AM 
I'm a 42 year old dude with opinions based on thought and experience.  OK, Kiss of Judas, I'll LISTEN to you and try not to fear it a leap of faith.
[thekissofjudas] Monday, August 01, 2011 7:35:13 PM 
thanks budred
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[thekissofjudas] Monday, August 01, 2011 7:32:43 PM 
Hey, why do u fear women? It is the same if I say I fear men, it is senseless
we women are tired of b eing feared, defined by some old asshole as passive, weak, ect.
And you men should be tired of being called strong, fearless, bla bla
let us be as we are
no as the others say we should be
[Budred] Friday, July 29, 2011 6:34:35 AM 

Only to the idiot chauvinists or the religious (nuts) who believe women to be the devil.
I respect the ladies!!!

disclaimer: religious (nuts) does not refer to all who are religious

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[heimda11] Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:22:45 PM 
I love women but also fear you.  You are like the ocean:  beautiful, calm and placid.  Where the water laps the shore, life flourishes.  But be cautious of the potentially lethal undertow that can take the unwary into the uncharted depths or smash us mercilessly against the rocky sea bottom.  And then there is the tsunami, which, with the fury of an enraged queen, can lay waste to all in its path.  Yes, I love you, but also properly respect and fear.
[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:59:00 PM 
 I am a lady, guys, is that a fault? Lol  
[heimda11] Thursday, July 28, 2011 1:38:31 PM 
If anyone visits Kansas City, I highly recommend Jaspers Italian Restaurant on 103rd (the deli is known as Marco Polos).  The older brother that grills italian sausage over the lunch hours on the patio (regardless of the weather) is an icon.  He is known for the best grilled sausage sandwich in the city and unbelievable sauted potatos, onions and peppers generously heaped on top.  He asked me today if I wanted mustard or barbeque and I realized it was a metaphor.  I chose mustard and put a dollar in his tip jar.  He slowly looked up from his grill, stared deep into my eyes and asked me again:  mustard or barbeque?  Mustard, sir.  Damn that dog was stellar. 
[paorcamp] Thursday, July 28, 2011 12:38:01 AM 
[heimda11] Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:05:54 AM 
I feel like an idiot.  Not the first time and nor will it be the last.  My sincere apologies ladies.  Just like a white, male pseudo-liberal American redneck to make such glaringly incorrect assumptions.  How cool though:  intellectual, analytical, philosophical, Judas Priest fans who happen to be ladies.  I think I've died and gone to heaven, or Hel?
[guidogodoy] Monday, July 25, 2011 9:32:36 PM 
Also, to quote the Bard: "to whom the hell are you speaking?" LOL

Everyone, save for HB and Bud way below are women! "Sir?!" That little double piece of paper in the upper-right of this message would help clarify. 

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[heimda11] Monday, July 25, 2011 9:22:10 PM 
Sir, I must say, "Well said!"  To quote Cicero, "If truth were self-evident, eloquence would not be necessary."  Ha.  I say anyone grumbling about your abrupt changes from delightful comedy to bone crunching elbows should cut you some slack.  That is the yin to the yang.  Well said.  Without Justice there can be no Peace.  Damn, I'm a dude so I'm always trying to find a solution.
[thekissofjudas] Monday, July 25, 2011 4:12:25 PM 

children at border of death cannot even speak
teach the governaments of the mighty countries not to STEAL and EXPLOIT the natural resources of other countries, and to help the poorest of the Earth to have new resources that allow to live with dignity
I feel that there is a lack of understanding of what pain and hunger is in the lives of many millions of humans
[spapad] Sunday, July 24, 2011 9:15:01 PM 
All out slaughter. That was just so unreal. God help the families.

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[heimda11] Sunday, July 24, 2011 1:28:12 PM 
Deepest condolences to Norway.
[heimda11] Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:15:31 PM 

Hmmm, soybean curd might be the answer.  Teach them to make tofu.

[.] Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:04:43 PM 
Yeah, but...what if there aren't any more fish in the ocean because of over-fishing?
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[heimda11] Saturday, July 23, 2011 5:02:16 PM 
It is all about the children.  It is critical to teach them to fish rather than just give them a fish.
[.] Saturday, July 23, 2011 4:58:51 PM 
If the rent wasn't so goddamn high, the children would have enough to eat.
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[thekissofjudas] Saturday, July 23, 2011 12:51:53 PM 
 A child dying of hunger is more important than any further consiration.

[heimda11] Friday, July 22, 2011 10:07:17 PM 
Omfg . I am a total Asimov fan and a Priest fan.  Ha.  We have much in common.  (Forgive me if I'm one of the idiots hardwired to shed my blood on the battlefield for nothing but my twisted sense of honor.  But I'm a good friend to cover your back.)

Odd funny story...

I was recently out of a divorce a few years back and working three jobs:  loading trucks at UPS, cooking at a biker bar and unloading trucks for Pottery Barn.  (I joke that my liberal arts college education helped hone the ability to think critically, speak, write...would you like fries with that?)  Anyway, just finished my shift at the biker bar and was nursing my shift drink at the bar.  This dude sat down near me and I couldn't help but notice him without staring.  He was 70 plus years old and dressed impeccibly in black with with very short white hair.  This dude was sooo sharp looking in black that I couldn't help but think he looked like an embodiment of the devil.  Sorry to go there but anyone would of thought the same.  This dude had a PRESENCE.  Totally out of the blue, with no introduction, he said to me, "Name three Russian Jews."  I'm a former Shakespearean actor so sometimes play a situation perfectly for effect.  I calmly looked up from my drink and said, "Andre Sakharov, Alexandre Solzinitzen and Isaac Asimov."  Then calmly went back to my drink.  Not another word was said but I could tell he about shit himself.  Ha.  I wanted to say alright dude did I win the golden fiddle?  But for maximum effect didn't say another word and neither did he.  Hah.
[.] Friday, July 22, 2011 2:50:22 PM 
Sorry, Budred. I know you did. However, the video (I saw it) left me pretty indifferent.
I never made the relation between Judas Priest and the Devil. Since the Devil personifies the lack of order, how can music, which is a form or order of notes and rhythm, be of evil?

There is something to be said about music: that it is a way to enlist soldiers in worthless wars. And War IS Evil.
I'm sure there were plenty of nationalistic anthems sung in church choirs and theaters to get the young studs to kill others and to die ingloriously in the trenches.

But I never felt like joining the army when I listen to Judas Priest.
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[.] Friday, July 22, 2011 2:35:13 PM 
The UNICEF works closely with all religious organizations.
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[.] Friday, July 22, 2011 2:34:06 PM 
  1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
  2. A robot must obey any orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
  3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

I'm sure you've read the books.
I got so hooked on Asimov I can't read any other sci-fi writers without laughing out loud, and that includes Ray Bradbury.

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[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:58:52 PM 
Edited at: Friday, July 22, 2011 1:00:07 PM
[Head banger] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:58:49 PM 
my politics are conservative (canadian) and I am an athiest.  I fear no devil
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[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:54:27 PM 
 I think that in the AngloSaxon culture the fear of the Devil and conservative politics go hand in hand, and any flashing of "satanic" ( omg) content alters those stupids too much...
The "evil" symbols in metal bands are a sign of anti cultural behave, of breaking point, and in most cases, are only that. Of course, there are other gang of idiotas figthing for satan...
[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:45:35 PM 
A lot of idiocy, Lucifer's eyes
Oh My God 
pure ignorance, Ra's eye and 
notice that the  the twin pillars are in the bible, temple of solomon, the two witness of apocalypsis
the two witness before God's altar
God's eyes is in many catholic illustration, of course, it is taken from Ra
as ever 
I cant waist my time on this   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:50:51 AM)
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[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:39:07 PM 
A Pope said that the hell was not a physical place. But there is not hell possibily....I told in this thread that a catholic priest told my mother that nobody goes to hell. He got kicked off our church. I was catholic, I feel still christian
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[thekissofjudas] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:35:34 PM 
 I repeat:
this is not the best place to discuss religion, philosophy or/and ethics. Neither I think we are all ready to do it, even me, because you should spend long years of research, study and investigation to say something of value.
I can only say that the concept of evil lies in a brain, which creates a mind ,and acomplex series of interrelation through the body and the social enviroment, learning and judging about abstraction more than experience. A super computer is just a lame part of a brain, has no "bodY" nor " social experiences"; only simulates some experiences under directions. We cannot commit the mistake that think that animals can tell good from evil only by sensations ( evil is what hurts? hurts what?); good is what protects ( how does it protect?):
Go to the dentist and you will be hurt for your good.
Protect yourself in autoindulgence and lose all courage.
Just is not that simple.
Animal cannot understand subtle games of the mind, discussion about patriotism, nations, religions, true.

How an animal tell a true religion from a false?

They don´t know what is a religion.

How some people be so ignorant to sell their soul (? what is a soul: an abstract concept) to the devil ( an unreal being, another abstract concept) and wait to be rich and famous for that ( more abstract concepts). That belongs to the Dr Fausto age.

Please, religion has done much harm in this world thanks to the man and women who uses it as a weapon. Try that your belief be to good,generous and humild. I am trying.
This is the end ;)

[Budred] Friday, July 22, 2011 10:27:24 AM 
I was attempting to research my own question and apparently it was the Pope who claimed there was
no physical hell. I guess the bible does discuss it. Just ignore my question because I really don't care anymore.
I'm spending way too much time on something I have no use for. To each his own no matter his/her beliefs. My
criticism or sarcasm is towards religion not those who practice it. Even if some of my posts seem like personal
attacks on any one person they are not meant to be taken that way. Sometimes I resond on impulse and anger
without thinking through what I'm writing and go against my own beliefs. I apologize for that. In a stable mindset
I truly believe "To each his own". I do not judge and I do not hate. I preach tolerance as the key to peace.
Unfortunately too many people are intolerant of others and believe their beliefs are the way it should be. Well, it's
not. We all have our own mind and were all free to use it as we see fit. Peace all! Love ya'.(LOL)

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[Budred] Friday, July 22, 2011 9:52:37 AM 
A computer doesn't have a brain so I can't imagine it will ever have human thought.
It can only do what it's programmed to so there can never be human emotion only reaction.
It can never create evil only replicate it. Don't fear the computer, fear man, the real root of all evil.

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[Budred] Friday, July 22, 2011 9:42:24 AM 
I was hoping to get responses from some of you on the video I posted and instead I got this.
There was so much back and forth I'm wondering if many of you even saw it. I'd post it again but
maybe you guys just don't want to respond. Either or it's cool.

Maybe someone will comment on this. It's not about promoting anti-religion, I'm looking for genuine

I was watching a TV show  about religion and it was mentioned that Catholics and the vatican made up
the story about hell, and basically admitted it doesn't exist. Has anyone here heard this? I've never read the bible
nor will I but to anyone who has can you tell me where in the bible(Old Testament) it describes or talks about
hell? Does anyone have knowledge of the Vatican actually admitting this? If it were to be true why should we believe
anything the Vatican tells us about religion or god? Anyone?

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[Head banger] Friday, July 22, 2011 9:40:53 AM 
I sugest some of you check out the incarnations of imortality series by piers anthony.  its fiction, but some interesting insight into religion thruought, and an entertaining read.
[heimda11] Friday, July 22, 2011 12:43:44 AM 
...sooo what about super computers?  If we can't agree on animals lets complicate the conversations even further.  Can or will binary code generate emotion, free will and ultimately evil?  Surely a super computer can be programmed (or even program itself) for self perpetuation, which is the primary responsibility of all carbon based life forms. 

Since sense of humor is arguably the highest form of intellegence, maybe the question should be, do animals have a sense of humor?  When I was having a few beers yesterday I swear my friend's dog smiled at me.
[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:30:13 PM 
  If even adults at times can't understand why they're being taken to the doctor, and will not accept or understand any explanation, I don't think you can say the pet is doing anything different. 
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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:23:05 PM 
Perhaps giraffes are evil. With evil thoughts they may be eating all the leafs on a tree so the other giraffes will die of starvation. heheheh (plagiarism....)

We (humans) know WE can create concepts. We, however, don't know if the cat or the dog - or the giraffe - is creating concepts and talking to the others of their kin in their own specific language.about said concepts. If you don't know the language and the mentality, how do you know what they're saying to each other? They have brains too, only their brains are geared to their own world, kinda like us humans have a brain geared towards our world, how we socialize with each other and deal with the challenges we are presented with.

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[heimda11] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:44:12 PM 
Enjoying the dialogue.  We Judas Priest fans rock.
The ruling forces and power of belief are marching us inexcoribly toward the end of an age, not cataclysmic Ragnarok, at least not yet.  I think the Harlot of Babylon from Revelations is Free Masonry.  Free Masonry at its best is tolerant, rational, replete with wise representation and prepared to disseminate historical perspective to a secular populace via the information age.  It is the "Dawning of the Age of Aquarius".  Pisces, the fish, symbol of Christianity, will thrive in the "water world" but so will many other perspectives.  The New World Order or One World Government is being implemented.  This is the stage being set for a man who is going to claim to be the Anti-Christ.  (I have a strange hope the Anti-Christ will actually work DIRECTLY for the Almighty but certainly not holding my breath on that.)  Many consider the United States of America the third beast of Revelation.  America is consciously being dumbed down, but we are healthy and strong, perfect for empire.  What am I going to do about it?  I'm going to try to pay my rent every month and continue to be a loving Father for my three sons to the best of my ability.  On bent knee I offer my sword and my prayers to the Almighty in this life and, if so fortunate, in any further adventures.
[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:40:19 PM 
Sorry but animals dont understand the concept of evil as we do.
We have a brain who creates concepts. They havent that tool of abstraction. Evil is human. Only human can do evil

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:39:47 PM 
 Can't we go back to discussing religion?

 It's less complicated than discussing the nature of time LOL

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:38:42 PM 
A kid can understand if you explain it this. A PET CAN´T

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:36:53 PM 
 Haven't you taken a kid to the doctor and the kid just be a miserable little weasel?

 Same thing with spoiled pets. Take any human out of their comfort zone and they'll kick and scream like they're being hurt. 

Birds build very complicated nests out of materials they pick. Muddobbers do too. Otters use rocks to bash oysters. Monkeys at a zoo actually pick human hairs and use them as dental floss! So they too create change in their environment by the way of tools. It's the mere level of change we create that differentiates us from them. This is a much more science-driven approach than the previous more mythological arguments.

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:27:02 PM 
The time is maybe circular, we ignore a lot of things. 
But the old and new testament can be studied, compared and related to the cultures of their time. There are paremeters for all that. It is not so simple as to manipulate things as it seems.
Just want to listen Judas once more.

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:24:55 PM 
Animals do not know what is evil, something human. A concept. An animal can discuss like we are doing about something abstract. That is all.They cannot analyze and discuss. They react.
Take your pet to the vet. The pet see the vet as someone who can hurt it ( evil) and try to avoid him. But the vet want to help it.
Evil is a concept. Concept is a fruit of a brain, an human brain. That is all

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:16:37 PM 
Both New and Old Testaments can and will be turned into whatever it is someone wants to turn them into, so yes, it's a very circular discussion, this Good/Evil discussion. It's also very easy to have such conversations degenerate rather quickly, thekissofjudas ;-)

The arrow of time points one way only and entropy goes along with it. 

But I have to say that animals understand Evil very well. Better than humans, in fact. It's true that dogs and other animals can sense a threat from specific people who, to us, don't seem to be doing anything wrong. 

And yes, Judas Priest are very good musicians. That's why I like them so much. I feel spiritually uplifted when I hear their music, but without the religious connotation. I get high on their guitars and that voice! That YT vid with the Painkiller played backwards just made think what great musicians they are when their stuff played backwards sounds sooooooooooooooo awesome!

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 5:04:07 PM 
We create culture and its meaning, not only objects. We cannot live without objects, like animals. They are part of our enviroment. How much you attach to the object and their symbolic meaning, power, money, etc is the problem.
Evil is what divide, destroy, pervert. Animal dont have a brain to understand that.
They cannot evaluate relations like us, they are not mother and father, cousin, boss and the like.
Evil make us see we have to anything to survive and enjoy, without feeling nothing for the rest. Evil is selfishness to the ultimate consequences. Stupids are those who think there is someone interested on buying soul, lol.
Well, meanings are dead with who have written? No. The new testament is not so fresh, the texts are related to a civilzition that is dead, too.
Genesis told the world of other times, but told the world of man's psychis. Knwoledgement equals death, end of innocent, lack of protection from the leader of the tribe.
It is enough for me. Devil and its troupe are just a bunch of nightmare for ignorants.
Good and evil too much to discuss in metal band fourm.
I love Judas Priest.
They are great musicians, relevant musicians.
Philosophy is other thing.
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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:48:20 PM 
What is Evil to you?
What harms you and hurts you.

What is Good to you?
What protects and loves you.

Humans react just the same as animals. We just communicate differently. Our upbringing and faith in making all of these objects we are surrounded by makes us foolishly think we're better.
As we depend on objects for our very own survival when animals just rely on their physical and social skills, it makes me think we actually are devolving instead of evolving. 

I don't think that in reading the Genesis you will uncover anything. The Bible is but a mere picking of writings, some like the Genesis, created centuries or a couple of millenia before. They were relevant in their time, for their very limited and specific audience. The Old Testament was to be read in an environment such as a synagogue and by people who could understand what was really being meant, and mainly, a male audience (I don't think women were allowed to learn how to read and write).

Genesis can be analized to death and you can reach any conclusion you want because the real meanings have died along with the people who wrote it. The New Testament is far more relevant, IMO. 

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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:25:27 PM 
i think that the point is that you mentioned Discovery channerl and other USA channel that manipulate the scientific knowledgement and blurred the reality:
feelings like anger, fear, etc are no thought neither reason. They react, and is their right, they need to survive. We have a brain that has evolutioned, thanks to a God/ Nature  maybe, but we are animals, with intelligence and intellegence discovers the evil. That is the nature of the sin, read the Genesis. It is quite simple to understand, we know evil now.
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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:17:08 PM 
I agree with you, the occultism doesn't really interest me for the simple fact that it's just a bunch of excuses for whatever (birds of a feather)...but since it captivates the imagination of people and tends to play with their beliefs and ingrained prejudices, I guess it has some glamor to it....therefore so many metal bands use these outdated bronze age symbolisms on their covers.

Animals have feelings. They feel jealous, they trick you, they are happy and sad. It's that we, as humans, are losing our empathy with the natural world. Unless you handle animals on a daily basis, like on a farm, you really would think that they just act and have none of those traits we consider human. 

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:06:40 PM 
 Germans are nothing more and nothing less than invaders from Asia. 
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[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:05:21 PM 
Nature may be considered good for itself, for being the ultimate source of live, then man and woman see GOOD... Moral is attained to man. Nature is life and death, nature is considered the ruler and source of all. Evil is only human,evil is something born from withit the human soul, betrayal, greed, envy...animals have those feeling? Absurd... where is the evil in Nature? Only man tagged animal behave as good and evil and it is totally absurd. Animal dont understand, think and choose, they only act.. I know about the svastika and the fork. I know many things of the ocultism, that is the reason I am not interested in it any more ;) just be human

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[.] Thursday, July 21, 2011 4:00:12 PM 
 And what if nature is evil too?

You say God is Nature and immediately state it's inherently Good, and that the Devil is Evil. But there is plenty of "evil" in nature.

If you ever watched Discovery or National Geographic, you can see there is plenty of horror in nature and if Humans are to do some of the same things that animals do then Humans are "doing the Devil's work": raping their underlings and their young, killing them, killing others, and using their bodily fluids to mark territory. Animals also kill for the thrill, not just to eat. Animals, such as rats and rabbits, are always sexually aroused and will multiply fast and they don't care if they are humping their own kin. Wasps can implant eggs on worms and when they hatch they eat their host alive. 
Yet, rabbits are the Eastern European (pagan) symbol for Easter. 

If anyone pays attention to symbols, what is the pitchfork supposed to mean anyway? Or the swastika? EVIL? 

Yet, both are ultimate symbols of GOOD in Asian cultures. Shiva holds a pitchfork. 

There is more to talking about religion than what the tv indoctrinates you with, even if I used television channels as an example. 

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by thekissofjudas from Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:29:34 PM)
[thekissofjudas] Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:29:34 PM 
Well, people, humanity lost many energies and lives fighting during thousands of years for religious and political causes, that are the same. Stop this stupity, if you want peace, justice and a world where every child can grow with dignity, stop the evil inside your heart. A God who punishes, a devil who deceives, people who sold their soul to something ureal...a lot of rubbish.
One priest told my mother that God does not send anybody to hell,  God loves all people, forgives every error...that priest was removed from our church. And that idea stuck to me.
If there a God, he/she has to be tolerant enough to understand us all, we are creation of that Being. Devil is just a figure to design evil, as God is another to design the nature.
I believe in that God I mentioned, but think that most religious, satanism itself, intoxicated and divided innocent people. Metal uses symbols and are symbols that shock mediocre people. Stop ocultism and all those idiocy, I have studied that, and found a lot of old supertision. Be aware, we have to be aware that only man and woman can be God here to change the world. WAR, HUNGER, CONTAMINATION ARE FAR MORE IMPORTANT that the ignorant who rants about Priest.

Edited at: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:36:22 PM
[heimda11] Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:13:30 PM 
Many of us don't believe in God or the Devil, many more certainly don't believe in any organized religions.  It is easy to feel like none of this video content really matters because it is art, attitude, music, a word:  METAL!  And, God, I LOVE METAL.
First, what WE believe isn't the only thing that matters.  Our lives are fleeting on this fragile biosphere and the power of belief is often stronger than the power of reality.  Even if you don't believe, basic intelligence and self-preservation (both culturally and genetically) dictate you UNDERSTAND the forces that are manipulating and controlling our prime material existence.
God and the Devil are very real if for no other reason than man believes and behaves accordingly.  Prophetic vision is often realized because we make it so.
Most of the issues and ideas discussed in this video are the issues and ideas I think about every day.  Study of the occult is essential to understanding reality.  If anyone wants to discuss specific points, I can be of assistance...from a very non-traditional perspective. 
I would definately say to everyone...wake up.  I don't even know where to start so I'll make it personal.  The cultural manifestation of God that makes sense to me is the Germanic.  I think the One God (monotheism) has many names.  Give props, though, to Judaism because they are the oldest, institutionalized monothestic religion, although the origins and roots are a bit more complicated.   I can feel the honor bound culture of the Germanics (Danes, Vikes, Norse, etc.) coursing through my veins.  Honestly, it is METAL coursing through our veins.  This is why I consider Sammy Hagar's tune "Heavy Metal" to be spiritual, "Take me Heavy Metal!" 
Lucifer (or the mortal embodiment of) has been using archetypal colonial strategies apparently from the dawn of civilization:  Divide and Conquer - Divide and Rule.  Organized religions and their dogma are as controlled by Lucifer as are his more obvious minions.  For example, the often facist, murdering thousand years of Catholic rule (and I'm not anti-Catholic or anti-Semitic at all) forced most thinking artists, writers, scientists, philosophers into the Rosicrucians, Illuminati and Free Masons.  Many of our BEST human beings and greatest minds (many of us on this Judas Priest intra-net) are forced by an intentionally polarized society into certain paths.  Please understand the great architects are primarly concerned with social, political and economic design.  The path that I have CHOSEN says if I die in battle bravely and honorable I go to heaven.  If I do not, I go to Hel with the women and children.  Hel is originally a Nordic construct I think.  I think I've got MUCH of this figured out and NOT in the way any part of the system wants spoken.  God is the Father (often considered the sun from my ancient neolithic Aryan Sionist roots) and Hel is the Mother (mater in latin or matter), the Queen of the Underworld.  "Lucifer" does not reign in Hel, but rather on earth. 
To make it even crazier, I was a self-diagnosed schizophrenic in college and am neither now at 42, meaning I'm not susceptible to voices in my head like one who hasn't been where I've been.  When something that I have to call a demon entered my throat uninvited less than 2 years ago I got truly scared for the first time in my life and called to God for help.  I was blessed because help came instantly and then I had the opportunity to actually converse with the Almighty.  I don't care if anyone believes me and nor does that matter.  I got the impression that the Almighty is cool with me (to my surprise) but, also to my surprise, truly DEMANDS HIS RESPECT.  I believe the Almighty is very open to individual and cultural expression IF you hold no God before Him.  This got wierd(er) quck but I can answer MANY MANY MANY question that this video raises.  Most importantly, please don't let the "Devil" take any of us, God will love us for who we are if we worship Him.
[Budred] Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:27:23 AM 
Guys/Gals, take the time to check out the video I posted below.
I'm really curious to see how some respond. Forget about me, just watch and give an honest opinion.

Edited at: Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:29:35 AM
[heimda11] Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:49:52 AM 
Dudes all I was lookin' for was a little hope.  When Hot Rockin Metal Goddess said the boys never sold their soul to the devil a warm glow came over me (and I'm not incontintent).  It is not what we do but how and why we do it.  Love y'all.
[Budred] Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:18:06 AM 
I just looked up icono(c)lastic.
Man, you know me better than I do and I'm me.(LOL)
Now you have me analyzing myself and I think you're dead on with
you're assumptions.
First Freeze had me doing it, then Jimmy did (and he pretty much changed the way I do everything here),
and now you. Good or bad, you guys are educating me on myself.
In all sincerity, I like it. It helps me. Peace!

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:31:05 PM)
[Budred] Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:50:51 AM 

 If you're into religion this will probably scare the "Priest" right out of you.
If you're like me you'll just say "Please"!!! It's not devil music, it's freakin' marketing. (Satan sells)(LOL)
[Budred] Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:01:21 PM 
I'm just glad you see it as sarcastic humor because that's all it is.
I wouldn't sell my soul to the devil, I just don't believe he exists.(my beliefs only,not to be imposed upon anyone.)
You sum me up pretty good. I really do think you are smart, we just share different beliefs.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:31:05 PM)
[heimda11] Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:31:05 PM 
Hate to break it to you but Satan probably doesn't want you Budred because you don't seem like the type to be properly broken.  I suspect your biting, sarcastic humor and iconolastic individualism would never really kiss his nasty, unwashed ass.  It would be like a bad marriage where you would take half upon divorce and than Lucifer would need self-estem and anger management therapy.
[Head banger] Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:09:45 AM 
where is the like button?
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:01:17 AM)
[Budred] Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:01:17 AM 
Freakin' Satan!
He won't get back to me. He must be one of my ignores.
After all the love I show for him.
[heimda11] Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:33:41 AM 
Lick Bush
[.] Tuesday, July 12, 2011 2:48:58 AM 
 So you hear it too?

 I tell you why...


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Monday, July 11, 2011 7:46:49 PM)
[heimda11] Monday, July 11, 2011 7:46:49 PM 

Hmmm, I'm listening .

[.] Monday, July 11, 2011 1:52:47 PM 
 I can't understand a word. 

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Monday, July 11, 2011 9:04:26 AM)
[heimda11] Monday, July 11, 2011 9:04:26 AM 
Pardon . what do you mean bro?
[heimda11] Monday, July 11, 2011 9:00:07 AM 
Metal Goddesses I totally dig your life experiences and perspectives on Priest.
[.] Sunday, July 10, 2011 1:52:49 PM 

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Friday, July 08, 2011 2:51:29 PM)
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:40:29 AM 
My parents were very cool, thankfully! But my brothers broke them in for me, LOL! They let us listen to anything we wanted as long as it wasn't too loud. We were all good students and didn't get into trouble, so I'm sure that helped. The only time anything was said was when my dad found out that Priest was being sued. I read the lyrics to my dad and he agreed that the lawsuit was bullshit and that was that. But metal will always find a way - you proved that!! Way to stick to your guns!

I agree about Priest's lyrics - they are very powerful and they have helped me get through many hard times in my life. They have always written straight from the heart and their songs go much deeper than other bands.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalgodess from Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:58:25 AM)
[metalgodess] Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:58:25 AM 
Really, eh, HRMG!!!  I fought for years with my mom about metal.  I tried explaining lyrics to her, but all she heard was the crap people like Tipper Gore ranted about.  I couldn't keep any metal in the house.  I used to record stuff off the radio onto cassettes and then tape them to the back of my dresser.  When she found my Black Sabbath tapes she went bonkers!  The funny thing was that I wrote a huge paper in university on the parallels between heavy metal and late-classical period music, 16 pages including musical exerpts, and got an A+.  The reason I loved Priest so much was that they never 'sexualized' women in a demeaning way.  It was always about music, rockin' out and ridin' free!!  I love their lyrics, to me they are some, if not THE most powerful metal lyrics out there.
  4 MONTHS AND 12 DAYS TILL THE BEAST ARRIVES IN TORONTO, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:29:40 PM)
[heimda11] Sunday, July 10, 2011 5:10:45 AM 
Awesome!  Don't mean to geek out but my faith in humanity occasionally gets rattled.
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Saturday, July 09, 2011 10:29:40 PM 
Me too Metalgodess!! Going to Catholic school and being a metalhead at the age of 12 was not a good combination, since I was the one they always pointed at when they talked about "devil music"! Then in high school during jean and t-shirt days, I ALWAYS wore my Priest t-shirts. Got quite the look from a lot of my teachers at first, but then they just got used to it, LOL!

As for JP and spirituality, I know that Rob is very spiritual. I'm sure the boys danced with the devil a bit during their heyday, but they never sold their soul to him. They are all good men, IMO and their musical message has always been a positive one.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metalgodess from Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:01:22 PM)
[metalgodess] Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:01:22 PM 
Right on, Hellrider.   I've had to defend being a good Catholic girl and loving metal to too many people.  It gets annoying after a while LOL.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Friday, July 08, 2011 6:32:52 PM)
[heimda11] Saturday, July 09, 2011 9:42:47 AM 
It would be more fun for all of us to rap in person over a few brews!
Music is the easiest catalyst for peak human experience and performance.  I suspect different sounds and vibrations can empower us in various ways.  (Beginning to realize speaking in tongues or the drums and bagpipes before battle are all part of this hyper acuity.)  Plants apparently grow better in classical music, so why do WE need metal!?
[Budred] Friday, July 08, 2011 10:57:06 PM 
I am interested in what you have to say but I have to admit my level of education isn't allowing
me to understand. I'm not stupid, you're just using words and terms I'm not familiar with. You are
giving me the desire to figure it out though. I just have to look up some of these words. Peace.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Friday, July 08, 2011 2:51:29 PM)
[The Metallian] Friday, July 08, 2011 10:40:42 PM 
Music is my religion and its real!
[spapad] Friday, July 08, 2011 10:27:00 PM 
Sounds good to me.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guitardude from Friday, July 08, 2011 9:53:32 PM)
[guitardude] Friday, July 08, 2011 9:53:32 PM 
My religious outlook is simple.. live a good life that doesn`t require weekly redemption!
[hellrider 31038] Friday, July 08, 2011 6:32:52 PM 
[.] Friday, July 08, 2011 2:52:32 PM 
 You can't find out who sold their soul to the devil because, like with all contracts, the terms are kept private between the two relevant parties. But I have heard somewhere that Jayne Andrews is a bitch of the devil, lashing out at the poor souls waiting for divine Priest music. 
 Evil can be obvious and brutal, or it can be insidious and silent like cancer. 
 But if you have an infestation at home, be dilligent in the erradication because demons work through physical distress to tear at your mind.

creeepy stuff

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:57:40 PM)
[heimda11] Friday, July 08, 2011 2:51:29 PM 
We all change as we stroll through life.  I understand your perspective bro.  Considered myself a culturally relativistic, secular humanist most of my life, and always will be to a large degree.  But spiritual commitments and then a personal encounter with the Almight foster more personal change.  There is sooo much to discuss so I'll try to keep it simple.  I can't separate the artist from the art and hope to find the core value of a modicum of self-respect in a few artists.  Modicum of self-respect is VERY loosely defined.  I will choose to patronize those artists.  (Regarding the hawkish dialogue, pardon, its more a gauntlet being thrown at the devil's minions, a challenge from here to eternity.)
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, July 08, 2011 12:16:06 PM 
I'm not sure where J.D. is, I hope he is enjoying his summer though! I've just been working a lot and trying to enjoy the summer at the same time. I hope you are having a good one!

By the way, I have 10 ignores now..... Am I FINALLY in the club??? I can't remember what the ignore count was to be a member. Do I get a prize?

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, July 08, 2011 11:38:40 AM)
[Budred] Friday, July 08, 2011 11:55:01 AM 

Good to see your response. You seem more levelheaded with that one.
I didn't know if the first post was serious or not. I took it as someone trying to fuck
with people on this site so me being the idiot I am I responded like that. Like me
you are entitled to your beliefs. "To each his own" is my strongest belief.
Not so I can rip you but out of curiosity explain peace through strength. You sound
like a hawk but I don't think that's what you mean.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by heimda11 from Friday, July 08, 2011 11:41:10 AM)
[heimda11] Friday, July 08, 2011 11:41:10 AM 
No ignores from me dudes.  I'm all about free dialogue.  Also believe sense of humor is the highest form of intelligence.  There really is bad shiznit out there (whether real or not is somewhat irrelevant when considering the POWER of belief) and it will take some bad asses who think outside the box to make the world a better place.  Peace through strength.
[Budred] Friday, July 08, 2011 11:38:40 AM 
Glad to see you post again. I was asking about J.D. today and thought about you also.
I was going to include you at the end of that post.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Friday, July 08, 2011 11:20:18 AM)
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Friday, July 08, 2011 11:20:18 AM 
Nope, I have another ignore and I haven't even posted in days. It's a troll with multiple accounts seeking us out to give us more ignores. It has NOTHING to do with your posts or that you offended anyone. How do these trolls remember all their passwords for their accounts? Must have a book! Ooooooh, I'm SO HURT that I have another ignore! LMFAO!

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, July 08, 2011 10:29:21 AM)
[Budred] Friday, July 08, 2011 10:29:21 AM 
I used to care. Not so much anymore.
If I get ignored for these kind of posts it makes me laugh.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, July 08, 2011 10:05:24 AM)
[Head banger] Friday, July 08, 2011 10:05:24 AM 
guess I should check my ignores

41 wonder what it was yesterday? wonder if I care?

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Friday, July 08, 2011 8:55:01 AM)
[Budred] Friday, July 08, 2011 8:55:01 AM 
I guess my post got me another ignore.

I guess some religious people just don't have a sense of humor.
Or maybe my sense of humor is just poor. Either way so be it.

I'm not sure if this person was even serious. I wasn't. I don't believe in the devil.(or god)
 Sorry to the offended.
...unless you're so damn weak to believe in yourself that you have
   to have god as crutch.

I would say see you in hell but I'm just going to rot after death like everyone else.
[Head banger] Friday, July 08, 2011 7:55:10 AM 
makes for good humor in the office..  I sold my soul... again
I sold 3 souls just yesterday. 

as to satan, not sure where he is at.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, July 08, 2011 7:32:22 AM)
[Head banger] Friday, July 08, 2011 7:32:22 AM 
I sell Kia Souls...

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:09:47 PM)
[Budred] Thursday, July 07, 2011 11:09:47 PM 
Do you really believe people sell their soul to the devil?
 I'm just curious, how does one contact the devil? E-mail? Cellphone?
Maybe they just go outside and shout.
I've been wanting to speak to him myself. Any suggestions on how to go about it?
From what I here once you get used to heat hell ain't a bad place to be.
If you see him around could you give him a message for me. Tell him Budred would
like to make a deal.

[heimda11] Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:57:40 PM 
I love all music but have a special place in my heart for heavy metal and rock and roll.  I was blessed to see Judas Priest recently in Kanas City, Missouri.  They were unbelievable and are my favorite band (although honestly I need to spend more time listening to more of their work).  I felt a strong energy from and brief connection with epic frontman Rob Halford.  Honestly, if I were ever to marry again would love Judas Priest to play (ha!).  I'm 42, into history and philosophy, and have evolved my own spirituality tied closer to the Germanic honor traditions than to pacifism (sometimes say there are many names for the Almighty including Odin).  Really wanted to drag any reader through some personal info before I hit you with the question...
How do I find out which rock and rollers sold their soul to the devil or which didn't?  Rob please tell me you are above that servile minion routine!  CLEARLY the devil can't give talent, only opportunity, which makes it all about power, control and manipulation.  Divide and conquer, divide and rule.  
Back in my youth the "fundamentalists" were picketing many of my favorite acts and we justified everything through artistic license, rebellious spirit and astute marketing.  Apparently we rock and rollers weren't entirely correct.  Start with a youtube of Bob Dylan sells his soul to the devil and begin to peel the onion.  The darkness is growing in confidence and all I want to know is which artists were man enough to raise hell without selling their soul to whoever thinks they are the devil.  A discussion of spirituality, theology and prophecy usually exposes these minions for the lesser creatures they are.  I also have heard that if someone did sell their soul redemption is possible.  If anyone were interested in exploring redemption further THAT would be my ABSOLUTE pleasure! 
I welcome any dialogue on this ultimate subject.  Recently I've been hanging out with Christians and I love them for them and (to my surprise) they love me for me, but believe me, my perspectives are a bit different.  Importantly, we are all working for the same God, we just have to figure out our individual duty. 
Love to Priest and all of you and all glory to the Almighty!.
Sincerely, Mick Simmons, Kansas City, Missouri
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