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Famed comic genius George Carlin has died...
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...we've truly lost THE poet laureate of comedy...

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[_strat_] Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:38:56 PM 
Too true. 

Looking at it this way, Im thinking about starting a new religion. Im worshipping that handsome guy I see everytime I look in the mirror.

Ok, about this fellow: I watched a couple of videos on Youtube about him, and they were enough for me to say R.I.P. to him.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:07:00 PM)
[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:07:00 PM 
I've begun worshipping the Sun for a number of reasons.  First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the Sun.  It's there for me every day.  And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day.  There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry.  And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate."
Wise words from the Master himself! Well said, George. Well said, indeed!
[DemonCat] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 12:03:59 PM 
No man can see into another mans heart DF. Anyone can say, or write anything. That still may not be what's in their heart. Only God can see what's in peoples hearts. George Carlin won't be screaming up at us until after Judgement day, if at all, and that judgement is only for God to make. Reguardless of what George has said, or wrote. You see, if you had picked up a copy of the "insurance policy", like I would be better educated on this matter. No worries though...I'm no "Bible pusher", so I'll just leave it alone. I'm not offended by your response at all. It shows lack of openmindedness on your part is all. Many people need "proof", so don't are not alone. I just can't understand why people are willing to take the risk of not knowing God, and thus choosing to give up eternal life, before they die, and have their day of "proof" is all. That's why it's called "faith" while one's alive.    [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:28:31 AM)
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[Deep Freeze] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 9:28:31 AM 

Ah DC, my friend. I do hope I can avoid offending your sensibilities with a response to your comments. It is clear that you have a tremendously caring heart and you are sincere in your desire to see all men "saved" but, if you actually read one of Carlin's books you will see that, to him,  the "joke" is religion. I can assure you he meant what he said and said it very, very well.

It always astonishes me how the "god folks" are so enamored with flowery words and abstract metaphors. "Wouldst that man can see unto his soul, yea he would know that GOD is verily within thine light bulb thusly..." Umm....OK....?

All the words in the universe prove nothing. George loved to point that out. He was fond of challenging anyone to give ANY evidence of deity or "afterlife". Any. All he got was words and that is what he gave in return. You see, just because a person (John the Baptist or Fred Flintstone) says something happened or is the "truth" does not necessarily make it so. George was great at pointing THAT out as well.

I do not want to make this yet ANOTHER religious debate. It has been my experience that these are the most useless of all conversations we have on this site. I cannot change the minds of those that buy into this tale and they clearly cannot change mine. To argue this will only lead to someone getting upset and then we have another stupid fight on our hands.

I appreciate the tenacity and conviction of the people here that have religious beliefs. They most obviously are comforting and certainly not up for debate. Equally, my views remain unchanged, regardless of all the book quotes thrown at me and the dire predictions set out for my future. It appears that I succeed only in annoying these folks with my comments and so, it is better that we quash this here and now.

I am sure George is "looking up at us and screaming.."

[DemonCat] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:34:41 PM 
Yes, that is why more people care about the "famous". I just wanted to make the point that his life really means no less than someone that is close to us. In fact it should be equal. We should all care the same for 1 human passing into the afterlife, as if it were someone close to us, but we don't. It's in the news when it's someone famous, it's on websites, in fact fact it's..."in our face"! One can't avoid it. He has some very funny albums/cds/routines. My fav was "stuff". His comedy is money well spent, and will certainly have you laughing off your chair. There's something for anyone/evreyone, to identify with in his/her own life, and that's what a good comic really does...takes a poke at meaningful things to people...if not...they flop. 

I...simply for everyone on this planet, and their soul, and pray (every night) that theirs will know eternal life. I can't help it. It's part of who I am, and I weep for all who denie themselves that chance.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:14:01 PM)
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[Head banger] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 10:14:01 PM 
perhaps its the fact that the famous person has touched more lives.  

everyone cares when someone who touched their life dies.  but, a stranger is a statistic, you think its sad for those left behind, but the real deal is the people that you know and or care about.  your right, we should all care, but, human nature is what it is.

as to carlin, I didnt know his comedy that well.
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[Little Indian Angel] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:41:24 PM 
Yes I'll always remember him from Thomas the Tank Engine too

R.I.P Mr. Conductor
[DemonCat] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 8:40:01 PM 
Yet another "famous" person dies, and we suddenly all care. Don't get me wrong...I loved his comedy...own many albums (yes albums) of his. I pray he had enough "faith" in God to allow his soul to last forever in the Kingdom of God, Heaven on Earth ect.!!!!

Who misses "the little unkown man"? Who cares? Every person here with us is someone special to someone! Why don't "the masses" care when every individual dies? How can 1 life mean more than another...unless we're talking about Jesus Christ? 

It's no surprise to me the impact George Carlin had on others lives, but he helped spread the questioning of God's teaching, laws, and the life of Jesus. I pray he meant it as a joke...and people "got" the joke, and took it as a joke. I don't think he'd find it humorous that there is a God of Abraham, Jacob, Isaac, and Joseph, if he meant what he "joked" about.

Rest he will. In peace...only God will judge. In Hell...I pray not for him, or anyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[guitardude] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 4:41:36 PM 
I agree with Deep Freeze,George Carlin was a visionary,he had such a talent for seeing all sides to everything ,and then making it funny for the rest of us.
I will miss him,he was the only comic my wife and I could agree on. Luckily for us there are lot`s of HBO specials and many more vidz of him doing what he did best.
Now what were those 7 words again?!!!!
R.I.P. Mr. Carlin
[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 2:52:29 PM 

Yeah Iam going to miss him.. He was different and saw the far side of many things that is what I liked about him the most!



[DEN1673] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 1:38:18 PM 
Great way of putting George Carlin into a couple of paragraphs Freeze. I don't have much to say about him except he told it like it was and if you didn't like it, well To Bad. Everytime I watched him, which was only a few times, he reminded me of my dad, old school brother. They don't take no shit from no one. But Yes, he made me laugh my Balls off each and every time. God Bless him and his family, this country lost an "American Comedic Icon" this week and it's sad but he wouldn't want us to feel pain for him, he would want us all to go out and Live your life like you should be lived, Laughing and enjoying it each day.

God Bless George Carlin, I'm sure he could make God or some Aliens laugh a bit!!!!!!!

Cheers to George,

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:38:42 AM)
[Deep Freeze] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 11:38:42 AM 
I find myself somewhat perplexed by the light response on this Thread. I realize this is a Priest site, but I cannot believe that more of our membership have not commented on this great man. I am almost certain that he has been recognized by just about every person here and I am equally as certain that he has touched FAR more of us than the few who have commented!

George Carlin was a modern day visionary. His words and thoughts crossed over countless barriers. He could make anyone think or re-think a position. He was a bit crass and vulgar I admit, but when you got past profanity, there was a very real and very relevant message.  He was not afraid to say anything to anyone and he usually did. More importantly, he understood the human condition. The struggles we as humans face. He was not afraid to confront even our most horrifying fears and he did so in a way that let us laugh, sometimes nervously perhaps, at our frailties and our silly superstitions.

Carlin saw "god" in a very interesting way. He often likened it to believing in aliens and UFO's (exactly where many of my rants originate). He laughed at how society would readily believe in an "invisible man" in the sky yet would scoff at the possibility of alien life visiting our planet. He despised organized religion of any kind. It bothered George that people would blindly follow someone or something they could not possibly know with any certainty.  George liked validity and common sense. His thoughts on "god" are the standard by which I live my life and believe in what I do.

Carlin saw people for what they really are and he pointed out our shortcomings. Stupidity irritated George and he eagerly exposed it at every opportunity. Whether you were a "working Joe" or a CEO, George would let you hear it if you were stupid! HA!!!!!!!!!! I always loved that.

George Carlin was real. He was, in my opinion, above the nonsense and insanity that seems to permeate so much of our lives. He rose above it all and then grabbed it and shoved it back in our faces! George Carlin made us see that we are really just a bunch of guys, hanging around on a big rock, trying to make sense of something that is FAR, FAR beyond our capacity to understand. Accept it. Deal with it. Then, go have some friggin fun. That was what George Carlin said to me. Quit over-thinking it, man! You will never figure it out.

[Little Indian Angel] Monday, June 23, 2008 11:19:21 PM 
I agree He was one of my favourite Comedians too

R.I.P Mr. Carlin
[Palmer Griffiths] Monday, June 23, 2008 10:00:38 PM 
It's a sad day Carlin was my favourite Comedian.He was a genius. by the way My Girlfriend got me his book Brain Droppings and I have a few of his stand up shows on DVD and Video..
[Deep Freeze] Monday, June 23, 2008 5:54:24 PM 
GREAT recommendation, Justin! It is one of my very favorite books. I love it!
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[Justin Kenny] Monday, June 23, 2008 5:46:58 PM 
Recommending this to DF would be redundant...but for those who've not seen or heard much of the genius (and that IS a word that works and lasts when it comes to all things Carlin) of this magnanimous individual,  may I pass along the book title   "Brain Droppings."      Not only will you'll THINK.      Such was Carlin's gift to the world.
[Deep Freeze] Monday, June 23, 2008 1:18:55 PM 
Justin, this is a Thread for which I have great admiration and I thank you for creating it. I am thankful that you feel this loss in much the same way that I do.  So often I complain about useless Threads but, this time, you have done us all a great service. It will be interesting to see how many members actually post here and have poignant thoughts about this great, great entertainer.

I have made my feelings clear over in Blah Blah. I can assure you all that I will have more to say about this wonderful human being later. For now, I must spend some time with one of his books. Re-reading the words that have so touched me and inspired me. In this way, George is with me now continuing to give one of the greatest of gifts...laughter.
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[Justin Kenny] Monday, June 23, 2008 11:10:46 AM'll kindly forgive the  'HP Touchsmart'  advert that managed to neatly nestle itself in that post....such are the perils of cutting and pasting, I s'pose....
[Justin Kenny] Monday, June 23, 2008 10:57:08 AM 

LOS ANGELES - Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television. Some People Are Stupid. Stuff. People I Can Do Without. George Carlin, who died of heart failure Sunday at 71, leaves behind not only a series of memorable routines, but a legal legacy: His most celebrated monologue, a frantic, informed riff on those infamous seven words, led to a Supreme Court decision on broadcasting offensive language.


The counterculture hero's jokes also targeted things such as misplaced shame, religious hypocrisy and linguistic quirks ? why, he once asked, do we drive on a parkway and park on a driveway?

Carlin, who had a history of heart trouble, went into St. John's Health Center in Santa Monica on Sunday afternoon complaining of chest pain and died later that evening, said his publicist, Jeff Abraham. He had performed as recently as last weekend at the Orleans Casino and Hotel in Las Vegas.

"He was a genius and I will miss him dearly," Jack Burns, who was the other half of a comedy duo with Carlin in the early 1960s, told The Associated Press.

The actor Ben Stiller called Carlin "a hugely influential force in stand-up comedy. He had an amazing mind, and his humor was brave, and always challenging us to look at ourselves and question our belief systems, while being incredibly entertaining. He was one of the greats."

Carlin constantly breached the accepted boundaries of comedy and language, particularly with his routine on the "Seven Words" ? all of which are taboo on broadcast TV to this day.

When he uttered all seven at a show in Milwaukee in 1972, he was arrested on charges of disturbing the peace, freed on $150 bail and exonerated when a Wisconsin judge dismissed the case, saying it was indecent but citing free speech and the lack of any disturbance.

When the words were later played on a New York radio station, they resulted in a 1978 Supreme Court ruling upholding the government's authority to sanction stations for broadcasting offensive language during hours when children might be listening.

"So my name is a footnote in American legal history, which I'm perversely kind of proud of," he told The Associated Press earlier this year.

Despite his reputation as unapologetically irreverent, Carlin was a television staple through the decades, serving as host of the "Saturday Night Live" debut in 1975 ? noting on his Web site that he was "loaded on cocaine all week long" ? and appearing some 130 times on "The Tonight Show."

He produced 23 comedy albums, 14 HBO specials, three books, a few TV shows and appeared in several movies, from his own comedy specials to "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure" in 1989 ? a testament to his range from cerebral satire and cultural commentary to downright silliness (sometimes hitting all points in one stroke).

"Why do they lock gas station bathrooms?" he once mused. "Are they afraid someone will clean them?"

In one of his most famous routines, Carlin railed against euphemisms he said have become so widespread that no one can simply "die."

"'Older' sounds a little better than 'old,' doesn't it?," he said. "Sounds like it might even last a little longer. ... I'm getting old. And it's OK. Because thanks to our fear of death in this country I won't have to die ? I'll 'pass away.' Or I'll 'expire,' like a magazine subscription. If it happens in the hospital they'll call it a 'terminal episode.' The insurance company will refer to it as 'negative patient care outcome.' And if it's the result of malpractice they'll say it was a 'therapeutic misadventure.'"

Carlin won four Grammy Awards for best spoken comedy album and was nominated for five Emmys. On Tuesday, it was announced that Carlin was being awarded the 11th annual Mark Twain Prize for American Humor, which will be presented Nov. 10 in Washington and broadcast on PBS.

"Nobody was funnier than George Carlin," said Judd Apatow, director of recent hit comedies such as "Knocked Up" and "The 40-Year-Old Virgin." "I spent half my childhood in my room listening to his records experiencing pure joy. And he was as kind as he was funny."

Carlin started his career on the traditional nightclub circuit in a coat and tie, pairing with Burns to spoof TV game shows, news and movies. Perhaps in spite of the outlaw soul, "George was fairly conservative when I met him," said Burns, describing himself as the more left-leaning of the two. It was a degree of separation that would reverse when they came upon Lenny Bruce, the original shock comic, in the early '60s.

"We were working in Chicago, and we went to see Lenny, and we were both blown away," Burns said, recalling the moment as the beginning of the end for their collaboration if not their close friendship. "It was an epiphany for George. The comedy we were doing at the time wasn't exactly groundbreaking, and George knew then that he wanted to go in a different direction."

That direction would make Carlin as much a social commentator and philosopher as comedian, a position he would relish through the years.

"The whole problem with this idea of obscenity and indecency, and all of these things ? bad language and whatever ? it's all caused by one basic thing, and that is: religious superstition," Carlin told the AP in a 2004 interview. "There's an idea that the human body is somehow evil and bad and there are parts of it that are especially evil and bad, and we should be ashamed. Fear, guilt and shame are built into the attitude toward sex and the body. ... It's reflected in these prohibitions and these taboos that we have."

Carlin was born on May 12, 1937, and grew up in the Morningside Heights section of Manhattan, raised by a single mother. After dropping out of school in the ninth grade, he joined the Air Force in 1954. He received three court-martials and numerous disciplinary punishments, according to his official Web site.

While in the Air Force he started working as an off-base disc jockey at a radio station in Shreveport, La., and after receiving a general discharge in 1957, took an announcing job at WEZE in Boston.

"Fired after three months for driving mobile news van to New York to buy pot," his Web site says.

From there he went on to a job on the night shift as a deejay at a radio station in Fort Worth, Texas. Carlin also worked variety of temporary jobs, including carnival organist and marketing director for a peanut brittle.

In 1960, he left with $300 and Burns, a Texas radio buddy, for Hollywood to pursue a nightclub career as comedy team Burns & Carlin. His first break came just months later when the duo appeared on Jack Paar's "Tonight Show."

Carlin said he hoped to emulate his childhood hero, Danny Kaye, the kindly, rubber-faced comedian who ruled over the decade Carlin grew up in ? the 1950s ? with a clever but gentle humor reflective of the times.

It didn't work for him, and the pair broke up by 1962.

"I was doing superficial comedy entertaining people who didn't really care: Businessmen, people in nightclubs, conservative people. And I had been doing that for the better part of 10 years when it finally dawned on me that I was in the wrong place doing the wrong things for the wrong people," Carlin reflected recently as he prepared for his 14th HBO special, "It's Bad For Ya."

Eventually Carlin ditched the buttoned-up look for his trademark beard, ponytail and all-black attire.

But even with his decidedly adult-comedy bent, Carlin never lost his childlike sense of mischief, even voicing kid-friendly projects like episodes of the TV show "Thomas the Tank Engine and Friends" and the spacey Volkswagen bus Fillmore in the 2006 Pixar hit "Cars."

Carlin's first wife, Brenda, died in 1997. He is survived by wife Sally Wade; daughter Kelly Carlin McCall; son-in-law Bob McCall; brother Patrick Carlin; and sister-in-law Marlene Carlin.


Associated Press writer Christopher Weber contributed to this report.





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