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It's the ultimate match-up! Which one is better?

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[doggiedogma] Monday, July 07, 2008 7:46:23 PM 
Yes, "Painkiller" was 5-6 years too late. While JP was sucking out to greed (see "Turbo" and "Ram It Down") bands like Metallica, Slayer, Exodus, Megadeth, etc.. were expanding on the music laid down by JP (Tyrant, Exciter, Saints In Hell etc...) and continuing in that vein, became huge sells.  JP were once the trendsetters, innovators and leaders in the metal sound, but like I wrote, they sucked out and tried to become radio friendly pop-rockers like Aerosmith, Motley Crue et. al. (search hair-metal bands).  Granted, JP started moving to more radio-friendly music (shorter songs) with HBFL (Killing Machine), but JP was still HEAVY metal and the pop-rock songs were limited to 1-2 songs per album. "Turbo" was their first, full-blown, pop-rock album and ALOT of JP fans were turned off by their new sound and look! The look aped the music; lame! It took six years for JP to clear their heads and return to HEAVY metal with "Painkiller", but by that point JP was water under the bridge. Besides,  "Painkiller" was NOT groundbreaking or trendsetting; by 1990 thrash had already run its course and was being replaced by even heavier music (see Death Angel, Death etc,,). "Painkiller" has its significance in that it was/is the heaviest rocking JP album, but by then JP had fallen off the metal boat and left behind.  But, "Painkiller" was the right album for JP to make as proven then and now. "Turbo" and "Ram It Down" were not as proven then and now.
"Nostradamus", I don't know what JP was thinking with this release; and I am as confused with this as much as I was when "Turbo" was released.  JP got the moniker of being "Metal Gods" by playing music LIKE "Metal Gods"! I just hope they have gotten this out of their system and will go back to being "Killing Machines" and "Delivering The Goods" !
[.] Monday, July 07, 2008 3:46:28 AM 
Thrash scene was a decade before Painkiler.  By the time Painkiller came out, thrash was already going underground for the most part. A few american bands that have remained until today like Anthrax and Megadeth but others, more radical, faster, meaner and closer to their roots kinda seemed to dissapear from the radar. The change in the decade really changed metal for the better, away from the greedy corporations. 
Nostradamus is very good, phenomenal even, and the one thing I miss in it is absolute massacre, especially by the end of it. I almost expected an all-out war of instruments to finish it off and counter the slower pace of the second cd: rattling cutlery, flying sinks, slamming guitars in the ground, cats fighting, dogs barking, fat lady holding on to the last note, thunder cracking, pigs squealing, Nostradamus laughing like  a maniac, an earthquake rumbling and Ted Nugent shooting the keyboards with a shotgun, followed by a few shots of canon and a loud volcanic eruption and a nuclear blast.
But how it turned out doesn't bother me in the least.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by The Metallian from Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:44:41 PM)
[Drums01] Monday, July 07, 2008 2:47:45 AM 
Painkiller is one of the classic songs in heavy metal history. Nostradamus still has ways to go until it reaches that point. I have to give it to the Painkiller!!!!!!!!
[Melting Iron] Friday, June 27, 2008 8:51:31 AM 
Nostradamus is very good but Painkiller will always be the best.
[Redman] Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:41:15 AM 
Hey, not a bad idea. I'll try it. Cheers!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:39:56 AM)
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:54:36 PM 
personally i dont think it would seem so long if it was more like the mighty paaaaaainkilllllller.the pain                   the paaiiinnn                           the paaaaiiiinnnnnn                 the paaaaiiiinnnnkkkkiiiilllllllleeeeerrrrrrrr.definition of heavy metal
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[Eternal Betrayer] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:39:56 AM 
THE ANSWER - for all those still scratching their heads over the latest offering from JP is, I think, perhaps one caused by the pacing on the album.

It is, after all, very very long, with some considerable mid-paced / ballad-y numbers. My advice is to edit it down to a slimmer, meaner & faster 80mins (single disc) version.

Select the following running order on to a CDR, or ipod playlist etc, and hear a much more familiar, agressive & traditional metal-esq  sounding release.

1.   Dawn of creation
2.   Prophecy
3.   Awakening
4.   Revelations
5.   Sands of Time
6.   Pestilence & plague
7.   Death
8.   Peace
9.   Conquest
10. Persecution
11. Alone
12. Shadows in the flame
13. Visions
14. Calm before the storm
15. Nostradamus
16. Future of mankind

Now, I know there will be many out there screaming (for vengeance) that this is sacriledge & not how the album is intended to be listened to, but, then they are already the converted, and what we are trying to do here is get as many people on board as possible. I myself, do find the whole double disc a rather flabby affair, I'm sorry to say, and do actually prefer the above edited version which I find is a far pacier & exciting listen - much more what I was hoping for.

I see it as something similar to the cinema release versions of the Lord Of The Rings films, as opposed to their much weightier Director's cut DVDs.

As for the missing tracks, well once you've grown to love the above you can re-incert them later, or visit them individually & see how they shape up having acclimatized yourself to this new world of the metal gods.

Just trying to help.
[hellrider 31038] Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:47:40 PM 
the mighty painkiller
Edited at: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:48:30 PM
[67gemini] Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:52:44 PM 
I think Nostradamus is a much superior album. Nothing against Painkiller, but Nostradamus is a masterpiece.
[GRINDER *] Friday, June 20, 2008 6:49:12 AM 
In my opinion nostradamus is different to any other cd they have done; in nostradamus someway they tell a story from the first song to the last, painkiller is a fucking heavy metal straight in the face album, different feelings.

Defend The Faith

[Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:16:59 PM 
True, some songs are like that. Like Nostradamus, Lost Love, and Persecution.
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[Screamin' Demon] Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:10:10 PM 
I don't find you gotta listen to it all at once. I mean sure it gives maximum effect, but quite often I flip through my favourite tracks on the album.
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[Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, June 19, 2008 10:26:15 AM 
This thread is retarded. Completely different styles of music. Comparing Thrash to Epic/Opera Metal. Nightwish to Metallica. Apples to fucking caviar.

Painkiller is always gonna be my favorite album and it's strange because even thought I love it, it has no ballads or anything soft, and I love the ballads.

Nostradamus is nothing short of amazing. Slow yes, but take it for what it is and sit down and listen to it. It's not a driving album, or hey I'll listen to this song album. You NEED to sit down and listen to it all at once, otherwise it ruins it.
[Screamin' Demon] Thursday, June 19, 2008 5:27:24 AM 
Nice thread I was hoping it would come up, or I would have came up with it. Anyways....title track vs title track...Painkiller...but album vs album Nostradamus by far. Prophecy, Revelations, War, Death, Conquest, Persecution, Exiled, Alone, Visions, Nostradamus, Future Of Mankind...that's pretty much 11 amazing songs I love. Also...Nostradamus is an epic story. I prefer Nostradamus because it is so diverse and yet so metal.
[Redman] Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:05:16 AM 
Nostradamus is cool, but Painkiller is a song that I can play when driving a car.. well, actually I can play it everywhere. I don't like it so much nowadays, but I used to like it a lot.. just heard it too many times. But it kicks ass.

Oh wait... you ment the albums? Hmm... Painkiller's bad side is that it doesn't have any calm songs really... Living Bad Dreams, yep.. but still...! My favourites from that album are A Touch of Evil, All Guns Blazing, Between the Hammer and the Anvil and One Shot At Glory.. all great tracks. Haven't heard Nostradamus, but I fear that it doesn't have that kind of songs... songs that are pure attitude, songs that I can play everywhere, anytime... you know. No good classic heavy metal songs like Big City Nights, Wheels of Fire (Priest), Revolution, You've Got Another Thing Comin', Rock You Like A Hurricane, Blackout (yea, lots of scorps in my list)... I mean, positive metal songs.. I fear that Nostradamus might be a lil' bit too dark... like Painkiller. But we shall see about that.. I get the album today.
Edited at: Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:11:05 AM
[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Thursday, June 19, 2008 3:18:52 AM 
Personally, I don't think you can make any such comparisons.  Nostradamus is so vastly different from anything that Judas Priest has done that it's like comparing a badass SUV (Nostradamus) vs a killer sports car (Painkiller). 
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 10:33:21 PM 
what a beautiful site to my eyes the mighty paaainkillllllllller.defininion of heavy metal.
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[The Metallian] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 9:44:41 PM 

Defenders of the faith is my favorite album!Hench the name! I love AOR! I never did care 4 Painkiller even back in 1990 cause they were giving into the thrash scene and all Rob did on that album was scream!On the new album i had no clue to what to hear! Rob actuallly sings and sings well! 
And this new cd is awesome.I guess being open to all kinds of music i love this cd!I can see the die hard metal fans not liking this album!I love all kinds of music and being a big classical music fan this is right up my alley!It is totally amazing and being a musican myself and i play 7 different instruments this album rocks!
I love all the moods of this piece of music,this album is way beyond metal and it kicks ass!
It is sad that people limit all their life to one type of music!
I 4 one have a folk group and we sing folk music,but i have been a metal fan for over 30+ yrs!
Music is my religion!

[codynstuff] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:15:05 PM 

Both are incredible albums, its very hard to say. But I think creativly Nostradamus is better. The whole dramtic feel of it the story telling the way each song flows. Painkiller is great but for me the priest album list goes like this;

1. Nostradamus
2. Painkiller
3. Angel of Retribution
4. Screaming for Vengeance
5.  Ram it Down
6. Turbo
7. Point of Entry
8. Defenders of the Faith
9. British Steel
10. Stained Class
11. Sin After Sin
12. Hell Bent for Leather
13. Sad Wings of Destiny
14. Rocka Rolla
15. Jugulator
16. Demolition

I know some would disagree but I think that this is there best album and I think that in time more will come to see that.

[screaming_4_priest] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:27:39 PM 
As a single song Painkiller is better than nostradamus.

As a entire album Nostradamus is alot better imo, listend to the whole thing six times now & it just gets better every time, I think Nostradamus will be in my top 4 fav Judas Priest albums.
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