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I only half agree with you there. I think Angel of Retribution was the only weaker album they put out in many years, if you leave out Demolition....but Demolition I only heard once a long time ago so I can't really say anything bad about it. Oh...the keyboards....
In retrospect, AOR - 'cause it's been a few years since - was about getting reunited with a vital song writing partner. Lockness, fess up, left me quite.... can't describe the ?! in enough detail. But there is NOTHING to hate about any JP albums, and certainly not about Nostradamus. I don't understand the hatred for this album either except that whoever hates it hasn't listened to it besides the VH1 and MTV leaks.
When I heard it through the internet I was left thinking: "It took how many years to come up with this?" But there is really no reason NOT to buy Nostradamus and if you can go to the concerts, by all means go. The album is really THAT good.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by 67gemini from Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:34:55 PM)| |  | 67gemini wrote: | | I just cannot understand all the hatred for this album. I think it is just amazing. I've been a fan since 1980 and I will be the first to admit that I've been dissapointed by them in the past. I despised (and still hate) the Turbo album, most of Ram It Down, and much of (the completely overrated, IMO Painkiller). That being said, I think that AOR and now Nostradamus have put Priest right back on top of the metal heap.
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| [Scott Gavin] Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:40:32 AM | |
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| Yeah, gotta agree with you there. Painkiller is totally overrated. Its great alright, the production is superb, but I can remember to this day buying it and it kinda just left me cold, and peoples blinkered use of it as Priest's ultimate recording despite its lack of real classics betrays the rest of their back catalogue. Every time I listen to it I'm impressed, but I rarely choose to listen to it. Love the title track, Touch Of Evil etc even Leather rebel [ possibly their daftest title]. Likewise Turbo [ or Turd-bo as some call it down here], have probably listened to it maybe three times. That said I love the live versions on Priest ... Live, particularly Rock You All Round The World, which I always put on Priest compilations I make for people, and even the turgid and juvenile Parental Guidance which was really beneath them in their mid 30's no less. AOR was great but not a killer, and in time Nostrodamus may probably be viewed the same way. I think a key difference with it maybe is that its damn catchy, the 2 titular songs, plague & pestilence, war, alone , visions are all melodic catchy songs and were it not for the subject matter and length, could probably have been singles. In fact to me, Alone sounds more like a Halford band song. Its a cracker album that gets better with each listen, people need to be patient and give it time, god knows they've got 150 odd other songs you can rock your socks off too, just take this for what it is or wait for the next one in 2-3 years. |
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| [67gemini] Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:34:55 PM | |
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I just cannot understand all the hatred for this album. I think it is just amazing. I've been a fan since 1980 and I will be the first to admit that I've been dissapointed by them in the past. I despised (and still hate) the Turbo album, most of Ram It Down, and much of (the completely overrated, IMO Painkiller). That being said, I think that AOR and now Nostradamus have put Priest right back on top of the metal heap.
Long Live the Priest!!
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| [Phantom A6] Saturday, June 28, 2008 1:33:36 PM | |
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| [TIMBONI] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:54:54 PM | |
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You really are testing the limits aren't you ? Good luck at Catholic Church.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:48:45 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | PC?!?!? Me???? Now, now Tim. No reason to hit me "below the belt", as it were. I am about as far from PC as on can get. I will always look up moronic Threads with disdain, I can assure you. I also take great pains to be "open" to the views of others. I do not wish to perpetuate discord. If I can find a way to get everyone to be friends and have a nice discussion, I will.
In any event, I believe it is time for me to call it a night. I am beat and I have my niece's baptism tomorrow morning. Ah, the Catholic faith...nothing but a party! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Night All!
| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | Come on Freeze ! Since when are you so P.C. ? The reason that these people create new threads is so they can stand up on their soap boxes, make a stupid comment and say "look at me". I call them attention whores.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!
Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!
I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!
| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:48:45 PM | |
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PC?!?!? Me???? Now, now Tim. No reason to hit me "below the belt", as it were. I am about as far from PC as on can get. I will always look up moronic Threads with disdain, I can assure you. I also take great pains to be "open" to the views of others. I do not wish to perpetuate discord. If I can find a way to get everyone to be friends and have a nice discussion, I will.
In any event, I believe it is time for me to call it a night. I am beat and I have my niece's baptism tomorrow morning. Ah, the Catholic faith...nothing but a party! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Night All!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:37:42 PM)| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | Come on Freeze ! Since when are you so P.C. ? The reason that these people create new threads is so they can stand up on their soap boxes, make a stupid comment and say "look at me". I call them attention whores.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!
Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!
I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!
| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [TIMBONI] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:37:42 PM | |
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Come on Freeze ! Since when are you so P.C. ? The reason that these people create new threads is so they can stand up on their soap boxes, make a stupid comment and say "look at me". I call them attention whores.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:34:56 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!
Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!
I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!
| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:34:56 PM | |
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HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!
Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!
I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Friday, June 27, 2008 5:12:08 PM)| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [_strat_] Friday, June 27, 2008 5:21:17 PM | |
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Oh, yeah, like we dont know that you are the evil power on this site, controlling everyone and everything...
Admit it!!! Or its the comfty chair for you!
Also, admit that the Deep vs. Freeze was the best thread ever!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [Eternal Betrayer] Friday, June 27, 2008 5:12:08 PM | |
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Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:35:50 PM | |
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM | |
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BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [Eternal Betrayer] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:08:04 PM | |
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 I don't get the big deal about "too many" threads.
Are we having to pay for each one? Or are we being forced to visit every one of them?
The answer appears to be no. So, why do some people feel they have the right to say what others should & shouldn't do, or can & cannot say!?
Oh yes, I remember.... freedom of speech!
Lighten up! 
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| [Soylentgreen4u] Friday, June 27, 2008 4:02:58 PM | |
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| [Alli] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:55:23 PM | |
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LOL Sorry I do know where u r coming from with the number of threads but I also had to vent as well lol! I've got it out my system now ........I think!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 3:40:54 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!!!! You guys are KILLING me!!!! This is NOT ABOUT FREE FRIGGIN' SPEECH or having an OPINON!!!!! Alli, JD you guys know I love you dearly but I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE!!!!! This has NOTHING to do with liking or disliking the new album!!!! This is about creating A MILLION FRIGGIN' THREADS for the SAME FRIGGIN' SUBJECT!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh MAN!! I am going straight over the freaking cliff!!! Hello WALL! How are YOU today?? Do YOU have an opinion?? GREAT !! Let me hear it!! Oh? You don't like the new album? really? WOW!! THANK YOU, WALL!!!
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| [(THE REAL)fatman_rick] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:52:59 PM | |
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LET IT ALL OUT FREEZE ILL BE YOUR SHOULDER TO CRY ON. HAHA
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:40:54 PM | |
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AAAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!!!! You guys are KILLING me!!!! This is NOT ABOUT FREE FRIGGIN' SPEECH or having an OPINON!!!!! Alli, JD you guys know I love you dearly but I CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE!!!!! This has NOTHING to do with liking or disliking the new album!!!! This is about creating A MILLION FRIGGIN' THREADS for the SAME FRIGGIN' SUBJECT!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh MAN!! I am going straight over the freaking cliff!!! Hello WALL! How are YOU today?? Do YOU have an opinion?? GREAT !! Let me hear it!! Oh? You don't like the new album? really? WOW!! THANK YOU, WALL!!!
Sorry you guys, but I had to let that out! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:23:21 PM | |
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Alli !! I fully agree with you here. I'm sure that Judas Priest were aware that taking on such a project there would be risks. I'm just not sure why the band wanted to take these risks ....especially after missing Rob for almost 15 years....and only cranking out Angel Of Retribution before they drift off in obscurity......
Who's to say that Judas Priest will never recover from this? Maybe this new album is and will be the new sound and style for the band till the bands final day? Nobody knows for sure. If this is the new style and "sound" for the band for the rest of thier career.....then maybe Nostradamus "is" the downfall of Judas Priest after all,only the members of Judas Priest knows for sure.
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I disagree that this thread should not be allowed. For one thing I don't think Priest do visit this site and for another if somebody doesn't like something why shouldn't they be able to say that? They are only voicing their opinion! So what your saying is if we don't like the album we shouldn't bother saying anything? Well I disagree I mean everybody is entitled to their opinion. I think saying the album is the downfall of Priest is a bit harsh but if you don;t like the album or have something negative to say about it then you should be allowed to say it! There are far too many fan boys prepared to just clap like a set of seals and go..........Oh Priest wonderful well sorry I don't think so! I don't think it's being disrespectful to say you don;t like the album if you don;t think it;s any good you should be just as entitled to say it as if you thought it was fantastic..........It;s called free speech!
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i am actually surprised that the web site allowed jp4e to actually post this thread.how can he /she go and say that this album is the downfall of priest.it should not be allowed in the first place.if you dont like it then this is not the place to express about it.so i wish whoever is in charge of this website will hopefully delete this post as it is causing to much bitching.i dont think if rob or the boys came on here and read this,i dont think they would be too impressed with some of the comments.so just leave it be.priest have made an album which might not be to everyones taste.so what.if only 1 person likes that album,then thats the way it is.i for one absolutely love it and i think it is a classic already.now i am going off now to listen to it for the 50th time.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, June 27, 2008 3:15:43 PM | |
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Sue........I agree with some of"JudasPriest4Ever" ,I'm not bashing the band in any way,but he does have some valid points here. I personally think that the new album "robbed the band's crunchy metal riffs,and the band's intensity"...same as Turbo did in 1986......same as Demolition did in 2001...
I think this album was not done the correct way the band should of done it. The closest I can come to a perfect example to compare what the band should of done here would be Ronnie James Dio's "MAGICA" (Year 2000). That is a perfect example of an epic adventure with lots of instraments,a different approach but not over-doingt it and still have some heavy riffs and so on that Dios known for.....
And if "Rob" and the boys log on here and read that some people do not like the album...well,they are over 30 year veterens...don't you think that they are well used to criticism by now? They ought to be. Glad you love the new album though...I wish I did........
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by sue.daglish from Friday, June 27, 2008 6:13:47 AM)| | | sue.daglish wrote: | | i am actually surprised that the web site allowed jp4e to actually post this thread.how can he /she go and say that this album is the downfall of priest.it should not be allowed in the first place.if you dont like it then this is not the place to express about it.so i wish whoever is in charge of this website will hopefully delete this post as it is causing to much bitching.i dont think if rob or the boys came on here and read this,i dont think they would be too impressed with some of the comments.so just leave it be.priest have made an album which might not be to everyones taste.so what.if only 1 person likes that album,then thats the way it is.i for one absolutely love it and i think it is a classic already.now i am going off now to listen to it for the 50th time. |
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I disagree that this thread should not be allowed. For one thing I don't think Priest do visit this site and for another if somebody doesn't like something why shouldn't they be able to say that? They are only voicing their opinion! So what your saying is if we don't like the album we shouldn't bother saying anything? Well I disagree I mean everybody is entitled to their opinion. I think saying the album is the downfall of Priest is a bit harsh but if you don;t like the album or have something negative to say about it then you should be allowed to say it! There are far too many fan boys prepared to just clap like a set of seals and go..........Oh Priest wonderful well sorry I don't think so! I don't think it's being disrespectful to say you don;t like the album if you don;t think it;s any good you should be just as entitled to say it as if you thought it was fantastic..........It;s called free speech!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by sue.daglish from Friday, June 27, 2008 6:13:47 AM)| | | sue.daglish wrote: | | i am actually surprised that the web site allowed jp4e to actually post this thread.how can he /she go and say that this album is the downfall of priest.it should not be allowed in the first place.if you dont like it then this is not the place to express about it.so i wish whoever is in charge of this website will hopefully delete this post as it is causing to much bitching.i dont think if rob or the boys came on here and read this,i dont think they would be too impressed with some of the comments.so just leave it be.priest have made an album which might not be to everyones taste.so what.if only 1 person likes that album,then thats the way it is.i for one absolutely love it and i think it is a classic already.now i am going off now to listen to it for the 50th time. |
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.....AHHHHHH PUT YOUR TEETH IN A GLASS AND GET BACK IN YOUR ROCKER YOU OLD FART!!!...