| [spapad] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:44:44 PM | |
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In an all out dash for 4 lanes I would be paste at 5 lanes! LOL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:37:23 PM)| |  | guidogodoy wrote: | | Try Mexico City. Insurgentes crossing Paseo de la Reforma. Five laner crossing another. Really makes you feel alive (until you are hit by a car, motorcycle or bike).
| | | spapad wrote: | | I do know that crossing the street in Mexico consitutes an olympic event! Will she make it before the light turns! If you don't your in trouble. I ran and the light changed right as I got my foot on terra firma accross the 4 lane in Accapulco. Sheesh!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Nah, I actually think Portugal was better than Mexico. Certainly better than Brazil. There all street signs are mere suggestions.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!! 
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [spapad] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:43:53 PM | |
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Sleep well Strat!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:40:23 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | | Well, its late... Work tomorrow, and I have to go. Good night! |
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| [Necroticist] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:43:08 PM | |
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| Well - Faithful Defenders are a sure hit on net radio!!!! my god the comeback is awesome....keep it up guys! |
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| [_strat_] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:40:23 PM | |
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| Well, its late... Work tomorrow, and I have to go. Good night! |
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| [_strat_] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:39:13 PM | |
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Oh, I agree! Tour buses ftw. Getting your car damaged so far away from home must be a nightmare.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:37:04 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I'll just stick to my feet and tour buses off continent. HA!! I did drive around Accapulco with two gay hairdressers from Texas and that way loads of fun. Seems safer to be in the car than be a pedestrian there. Of course this was Years ago, maybe something has changed.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, Ive seen that motorbike thing loads of times... Dangerous, but you get used to it.
I think that reckless driving is pretty much a south European thing, tho. Germans and Austrians drive very well. Very disciplined there, and whats more interesting, there is almost no police on the roads there. Over here, there is a police stakeout everywhere you look. In Italy, the traffic policemen stand by the road, watch the mayhem, and do nothing.
Yup, a continent of wonders, we are!
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [guidogodoy] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:37:23 PM | |
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Try Mexico City. Insurgentes crossing Paseo de la Reforma. Five laner crossing another. Really makes you feel alive (until you are hit by a car, motorcycle or bike).
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:32:05 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I do know that crossing the street in Mexico consitutes an olympic event! Will she make it before the light turns! If you don't your in trouble. I ran and the light changed right as I got my foot on terra firma accross the 4 lane in Accapulco. Sheesh!
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Nah, I actually think Portugal was better than Mexico. Certainly better than Brazil. There all street signs are mere suggestions.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [spapad] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:37:04 PM | |
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I'll just stick to my feet and tour buses off continent. HA!! I did drive around Accapulco with two gay hairdressers from Texas and that way loads of fun. Seems safer to be in the car than be a pedestrian there. Of course this was Years ago, maybe something has changed.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:31:47 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, Ive seen that motorbike thing loads of times... Dangerous, but you get used to it.
I think that reckless driving is pretty much a south European thing, tho. Germans and Austrians drive very well. Very disciplined there, and whats more interesting, there is almost no police on the roads there. Over here, there is a police stakeout everywhere you look. In Italy, the traffic policemen stand by the road, watch the mayhem, and do nothing.
Yup, a continent of wonders, we are!
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [spapad] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:32:05 PM | |
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I do know that crossing the street in Mexico consitutes an olympic event! Will she make it before the light turns! If you don't your in trouble. I ran and the light changed right as I got my foot on terra firma accross the 4 lane in Accapulco. Sheesh!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:29:18 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Nah, I actually think Portugal was better than Mexico. Certainly better than Brazil. There all street signs are mere suggestions.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [_strat_] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:31:47 PM | |
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Oh, Ive seen that motorbike thing loads of times... Dangerous, but you get used to it.
I think that reckless driving is pretty much a south European thing, tho. Germans and Austrians drive very well. Very disciplined there, and whats more interesting, there is almost no police on the roads there. Over here, there is a police stakeout everywhere you look. In Italy, the traffic policemen stand by the road, watch the mayhem, and do nothing.
Yup, a continent of wonders, we are!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:26:15 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [guidogodoy] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:29:18 PM | |
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Nah, I actually think Portugal was better than Mexico. Certainly better than Brazil. There all street signs are mere suggestions.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:26:15 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [spapad] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:26:15 PM | |
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I have driven in a country which requires all new drivers to have a Giant N in their back window for the first bit of their driving lives solo, so I would just not bother drivng in italy. As it was not only do they make up their own lanes half the time, the motorbikes just glide right between already tightly packed cars. It's damn scary driving in europe in some countries. Heard Portugal is the worse, but never had the pleasure of such a scare! LOL
In the US the one thing we do have is organized roads and interstates for the most part, you would never see the bahaviors I saw there happen here without someone getting a ticket.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:19:25 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [_strat_] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:20:22 PM | |
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I am not moved. Now, of it were steaks... That would be something.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:18:36 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HOT DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok... Enjoy whatever you will be eating.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Yank of a Thousand Hot Dogs???!?!?!?!?! BWWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! Great! NOW I am hungry!!!! I will be back later!!!! |
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| [_strat_] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:19:25 PM | |
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Oh, well, we dont have it quite so bad. But we are on the edge of the Balkans, and some of the mentality crosses over, I guess.
Tho, as far as bad driving is concerned, Ive never seen it worse than in Italy. You should see Florence! Not a single car there that wouldnt be bumped or damaged in one way or the other.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:15:07 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:18:36 PM | |
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HOT DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:16:23 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ok... Enjoy whatever you will be eating.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Yank of a Thousand Hot Dogs???!?!?!?!?! BWWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! Great! NOW I am hungry!!!! I will be back later!!!! |
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| [_strat_] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:16:23 PM | |
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Ok... Enjoy whatever you will be eating.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:14:41 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Yank of a Thousand Hot Dogs???!?!?!?!?! BWWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! Great! NOW I am hungry!!!! I will be back later!!!! |
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| [spapad] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:15:07 PM | |
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Remind me to stay off the roads there! I once drove in Greece in a the city of pirgos (I think) and no one pays attention to the lines on the road there! It is two lanes, well just make it three because they want to! I was such a wreak after a few blocks I got out and switched sides with my then husband and gave up completely, cant imagine mayhem like that and half of them drunk. NO!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:11:17 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:14:41 PM | |
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| Yank of a Thousand Hot Dogs???!?!?!?!?! BWWAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!! Great! NOW I am hungry!!!! I will be back later!!!! |
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| [_strat_] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:11:17 PM | |
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Well, not the country... My countrymen, lol.
Seriously tho, when it comes to drunk driving, we are setting new low standards. Ive heard somewhere (and I quite believe it) that half of all accidents are caused by alcohol. Not something to be proud of, I guess, but there it is.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:07:48 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:10:34 PM | |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You know, I can remember MANY years ago when I was still drinking and I would have WAY too much at the beginning of the race and never see the end. My friend at the bar would ask me how I liked the "Indy 20"...... HAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:07:48 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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| [_strat_] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:09:18 PM | |
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I thank you for the kindness, oh Yank of a thousand Hotdogs! Now, if I may be serious for a while (please?), I actually saw Indy 500 on TV once, and I actually liked it! Great stuff, seems that they have less limitations than F1 cars, and the tracks look a lot more interesting (read: faster, straighter and without those damn chicanes). Too bad we dont get it here. At least not that I would know about it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:05:18 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!! Protest noted and confirmed!!
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| [spapad] Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:07:48 PM | |
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So your country drunk drives? Do you have the drunken 500 there? Does it have tradition to go with it? Just curious. LOL
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