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Hey, I don't know about all that there stuff but all I know is that I have great drive to become an NBA center.
Bastards won't even give me a CHANCE! Talk about "the Man" keeping the little guy down!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:24:14 AM)| |  | Deep Freeze wrote: | | OK, let's address the comments.
First; just how do you propose we "justify" an income? What formula do you feel is "fair" and , if so, why is that fairer than earning the position or whatever system we have now? What makes their income so terrible? Because it is greater than ours?? Is that it? Is that all?
Next; you claim that it is "us" who "put food on their tables". Really? Can the same be said for the person that manufactures the items YOU use on the job? I mean, without them, YOU would not have food on the table, correct? Now, by this logic, YOU are the "elite", no?
Next; we so often hear about all the "bad" things CEOs do. They make countless decisions that affect thousands of lives and, when one or two of them go bad, we are so quick to condemn that whole. Amazing. In most cases, it IS because of these people and their ability that we, the common man, are given the opportunity to succeed. As for education, it is out there for everyone. (At least in the US) NOT every single CEO is a Harvard Business grad. Are there privileged? Certainly. In every country, in all social systems, there are the few. Does not mean that YOU strat could not run a corporation if you so desired. The question then becomes, are you motivated? Do you have ambition? I scoff when I see people going on about how the "little guy" is so abused by the system. Whatever. You can be just about anything you want to be IF you have the drive.
I do not see the Business Leaders of the world as "parasites" They are no worse than you and me. We all rely on each other and I, for one, could NOT dowhat they do. I am not qualified nor do I have that kind of drive. I like my weekends! I like my evenings.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | The issue here would be, that even if they work more, it hardly warrants such ridiculously high incomes. Incomes that are made by the entire company, not just that one person that carries his laptop to the toilet.
MM has a valid point. The wages of the beourgeois are really just the tip of the iceberg. With all the incomes that they get, they could have retired at 35 or even before that, and would be much better of than the rest of us, who will have to work until we are old and gray, and get a pension that will barely sustain us.
Than there is the issue of responsability. Yes, they get a lot of shit. BUT they do a lot of shit themselves. As I mentioned earlier, their fuckups are much more serious than ours, and affect all of us. But with the current legislature in most countries, a CEO or a manager that screws something up, will like as not get away with it. And of course their decisions. Outsourcing is a great example. Is outsourcing the jobs somewhere else responsible to the workers that are being outsourced? Yet it is done more and more.
The thing is, that if a bourgeois works 24/7, I dont really care about it. The rest of us still put bread on his table, not the other way around. Even if a person works non-stop all his/her waking hours, its still just one person. Can he/she do more than thousands of others that also provide income for the company, and get a considerably smaller piece of it? Thats impossible.
These people may be visionaries, planners, and whatnot, but the problem is that they are the elite that get to fulfill their visions and dreams. The rest of us cant, because the game forces us to fulfill theirs.
And thats another point: all of us cannot be CEOs and managers. Bourgeoisie is by definition a minority social class. All of us cannot afford the education to get there, all of us wont get the sam opportunities to be at the right plave at the right time, and all of us dont have connections to the elite that would get us there.
All that said... They are parasites. We can do without them. Infact, we were doing quite well without them for decades until the privatisation.
Oh, and mybe we should continue this in the Social issues thread? Just a thought.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night, everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, December 18, 2008 11:24:14 AM | |
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OK, let's address the comments.
First; just how do you propose we "justify" an income? What formula do you feel is "fair" and , if so, why is that fairer than earning the position or whatever system we have now? What makes their income so terrible? Because it is greater than ours?? Is that it? Is that all?
Next; you claim that it is "us" who "put food on their tables". Really? Can the same be said for the person that manufactures the items YOU use on the job? I mean, without them, YOU would not have food on the table, correct? Now, by this logic, YOU are the "elite", no?
Next; we so often hear about all the "bad" things CEOs do. They make countless decisions that affect thousands of lives and, when one or two of them go bad, we are so quick to condemn that whole. Amazing. In most cases, it IS because of these people and their ability that we, the common man, are given the opportunity to succeed. As for education, it is out there for everyone. (At least in the US) NOT every single CEO is a Harvard Business grad. Are there privileged? Certainly. In every country, in all social systems, there are the few. Does not mean that YOU strat could not run a corporation if you so desired. The question then becomes, are you motivated? Do you have ambition? I scoff when I see people going on about how the "little guy" is so abused by the system. Whatever. You can be just about anything you want to be IF you have the drive.
I do not see the Business Leaders of the world as "parasites" They are no worse than you and me. We all rely on each other and I, for one, could NOT dowhat they do. I am not qualified nor do I have that kind of drive. I like my weekends! I like my evenings.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:54:00 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | The issue here would be, that even if they work more, it hardly warrants such ridiculously high incomes. Incomes that are made by the entire company, not just that one person that carries his laptop to the toilet.
MM has a valid point. The wages of the beourgeois are really just the tip of the iceberg. With all the incomes that they get, they could have retired at 35 or even before that, and would be much better of than the rest of us, who will have to work until we are old and gray, and get a pension that will barely sustain us.
Than there is the issue of responsability. Yes, they get a lot of shit. BUT they do a lot of shit themselves. As I mentioned earlier, their fuckups are much more serious than ours, and affect all of us. But with the current legislature in most countries, a CEO or a manager that screws something up, will like as not get away with it. And of course their decisions. Outsourcing is a great example. Is outsourcing the jobs somewhere else responsible to the workers that are being outsourced? Yet it is done more and more.
The thing is, that if a bourgeois works 24/7, I dont really care about it. The rest of us still put bread on his table, not the other way around. Even if a person works non-stop all his/her waking hours, its still just one person. Can he/she do more than thousands of others that also provide income for the company, and get a considerably smaller piece of it? Thats impossible.
These people may be visionaries, planners, and whatnot, but the problem is that they are the elite that get to fulfill their visions and dreams. The rest of us cant, because the game forces us to fulfill theirs.
And thats another point: all of us cannot be CEOs and managers. Bourgeoisie is by definition a minority social class. All of us cannot afford the education to get there, all of us wont get the sam opportunities to be at the right plave at the right time, and all of us dont have connections to the elite that would get us there.
All that said... They are parasites. We can do without them. Infact, we were doing quite well without them for decades until the privatisation.
Oh, and mybe we should continue this in the Social issues thread? Just a thought.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night, everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:54:00 AM | |
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The issue here would be, that even if they work more, it hardly warrants such ridiculously high incomes. Incomes that are made by the entire company, not just that one person that carries his laptop to the toilet.
MM has a valid point. The wages of the beourgeois are really just the tip of the iceberg. With all the incomes that they get, they could have retired at 35 or even before that, and would be much better of than the rest of us, who will have to work until we are old and gray, and get a pension that will barely sustain us.
Than there is the issue of responsability. Yes, they get a lot of shit. BUT they do a lot of shit themselves. As I mentioned earlier, their fuckups are much more serious than ours, and affect all of us. But with the current legislature in most countries, a CEO or a manager that screws something up, will like as not get away with it. And of course their decisions. Outsourcing is a great example. Is outsourcing the jobs somewhere else responsible to the workers that are being outsourced? Yet it is done more and more.
The thing is, that if a bourgeois works 24/7, I dont really care about it. The rest of us still put bread on his table, not the other way around. Even if a person works non-stop all his/her waking hours, its still just one person. Can he/she do more than thousands of others that also provide income for the company, and get a considerably smaller piece of it? Thats impossible.
These people may be visionaries, planners, and whatnot, but the problem is that they are the elite that get to fulfill their visions and dreams. The rest of us cant, because the game forces us to fulfill theirs.
And thats another point: all of us cannot be CEOs and managers. Bourgeoisie is by definition a minority social class. All of us cannot afford the education to get there, all of us wont get the sam opportunities to be at the right plave at the right time, and all of us dont have connections to the elite that would get us there.
All that said... They are parasites. We can do without them. Infact, we were doing quite well without them for decades until the privatisation.
Oh, and mybe we should continue this in the Social issues thread? Just a thought.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:29:08 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night, everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
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| [BLOOD SUCKER Esquire] Thursday, December 18, 2008 10:44:00 AM | |
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| There is no free lunch. Work and eat. Or stay home and starve. You can have anything you want, but just don't take it from me. "In The Jungle....."
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| [Necroticist] Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:51:10 AM | |
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| ..am outta my depth here....u seem to know wtf u on about....i'll go back to getting divorced....laterz.. |
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| [METAL MELTDOWN] Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:44:26 AM | |
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What they DONT deserve is millions in bonuses when their companies are facing bankruptcy or financial crises OR HAVE RECIEVED A FEDERAL BAILOUT. I have MAJOR issue with that practice. Recently big bonuses were asked from CEO's of companies that just recieved a BAILOUT!! They need to BE SLAPPED IN THE FACE. Thats MY money going to bonuses and I DO have a problem with that.
And yes there are CEO's that are GROSSLY overpaid. There are plenty of people who have to answer for this and that in a company and plenty of people who sit on the toilet making calls and solving problems that only make a tiny fraction of what they do.... [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:29:08 AM)
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Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night, everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, December 18, 2008 8:29:08 AM | |
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Very well. I look forward to your response!
It has become all the rage, (at least in the US), to complain about corporate CEO's and their ilk. It amazes me. Really. I noticed the comment about "working two or three hours" and had to laugh. Of course, I also noticed the equal pay for equal hours bit. *ugh*
To begin with, the CEO of any large corporation is not some guy that has randomly landed the position. He is not some "lucky stiff" that hit the lottery and managed to get the top spot by sheer accident. In order to even get to the level of CEO in a large corporation, one must have a certain level of education, training, experience and a proven track record in management. In short, they earn it. A CEO does not start his day at nine in the morning and quit at noon! The average, yes average CEO, works on a 24 hour basis. Of course, he does sleep, although I cannot imagine how, but business at that level never stops. CEO's work even when they are home. Even when they are sitting on the can!!! I am not making this up. They are on the phone or on a plane or in a car or in a meetings or doing something ALL day and into the night, everyday, including weekends! And let's not even get into the issue of dealing with CONSTANT problems and issues; personnel problems, breakdowns, economic problems, law changes, shareholders..! To suggest that they should be paid for equal hours is just silly. No company could afford it!!
The average working man only sees a brief moment in the life of a CEO, usually when that guy is dealing with some catastrophe. Or when he is leaving his high-stress positon and is (rightfully) getting a large pay-out to leave. These men are TEN cuts above the average guy. They are visionaries, planners, thinkers, creators, decision makers and incredible leaders. The level of stress and amount of responsibility they deal with is beyond comprehension.
It is oh so chic to point the finger at the guy making the "big bucks". Is there abuse? Certainly. That happens at every level. But the fact is, people are paid to "screw in the tail light" and others are paid to make sure they do it. Still others are paid to order enough tail lights while still others deliver them. Somewhere, there is even a guy designing a better tail light! Business is multi-level. Without the people at the top, the people at the bottom would not get that coveted pay check at all! Is there a better way? Possibly. THAT is just ONE reason why CEO's get paid what the do. To find a better way. To create it, plan it, design it, implement it and accept its success or failure. How many average workers are even capable of that kind of accomplishment ? There are many that think they can but are not able to actually do it. Talk is cheap, as they say. Those that actually can do it rise from day-worker "up the ladder", as it were. They earn it. There's that word again. Earn. Funny how that word is rarely used when a CEO is caught in the bright lights of TV cameras while trying to explain why some guy fifty levels below him did something stupid and cost the company millions and now the CEO has to answer for it!! That's right! It is his responsibility, even though he never even met the moron.
As far as I am concerned, people just do not get it. A CEO is far more than some figurehead. They get paid (comparatively) a LOT of money and they deserve every dime. If there are people in the world that feel they could do the job better, my only comment would be to get the education and EARN the job!
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:50:23 AM | |
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Well, yeah, I squeeze a few posts here in between my assignments...
I will be only too glad to hear your take. Tho I must run now, because the shift will be over in a few mins, but I will read it and grade it when I get home.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:47:49 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see. And quite busy too, I might add! Interesting conversation about work , income, management and whatnot. I suppose you do not want to hear MY take?
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Good morrow to thee, sleepy one! Some of us have been up for 8 hours already!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Good to see such a lively crew at this hour! |
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HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I see. And quite busy too, I might add! Interesting conversation about work , income, management and whatnot. I suppose you do not want to hear MY take?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:41:15 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Good morrow to thee, sleepy one! Some of us have been up for 8 hours already!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Good to see such a lively crew at this hour! |
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:41:15 AM | |
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Good morrow to thee, sleepy one! Some of us have been up for 8 hours already!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:39:17 AM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | Good to see such a lively crew at this hour! |
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| [Deep Freeze] Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:39:17 AM | |
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:25:02 AM | |
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Hi! Whats the matter?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Necroticist from Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:51:24 AM)| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | o crap!.....i made it til Thursday?? Good day ppl...as u may have gathered one fell off the wagon in style..not proud.....but there ya go... |
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:08:49 AM | |
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Maybe the CEOs dont give a shit? With a wage of your average bourgeois, they can afford to screw up.
And 14 hours is a lot, BUT... Lets just put the numbers together here... I work 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, about 20 days a month on an average month. Income: just under 600€/month, which is not really a bad wage - actualy its twice as high as the minimal wage, tho it depends heavily on how many hours I work. Now, lets take a CEO. IDK what kind of a wage the guy you mentioned has, but if he is a CEO, it must go into a couple of thousand € for sure. Lets say 6000€, which would make him ten times richer than me. If it was a fair distribution, then he would have to work 80 hrs a day! And 6000€ is not really a lot, when it comes to the bourgeois incomes. If they would really have to earn what they get, they wouldnt be getting anywhere near as much as they do. It would be impossible. We, on the other hand, would get a lot more, because we wouldnt be producing their excesses, we could keep a lot more for ourselves.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:49:19 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | theft is wrong. end of story. lots of people do it, in proportion to what they can get their hands on, is never right.
I recall reading an article on the top 16 most successful CEO's in the USA. the latest one to get up was up at 0600, was working his email by0601. the average working day was 14 hours. I couldnt deal with that. but I am sure the CEO of ford doesnt want to be the guy screwing on the left tailight on the asembly line forever. its a question of intelectual work vs physical. I am sure our CEO could do my job, probably beter than I could, but I am sure that I would screw up his job, not that I want it. being the guy who if I screwed up costs 90,000 people their jobs, not for me.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Many long time employees have experience and skills too, but dont get payed well. Its basicly trying to value in money something that cannot be valued in money. I dont know why leadership and bussines abilities should be worth so much more than others, when it comes to incomes, at least. I dont know exactly what type of a job you do, but I can say that the CEO of my company (I dont even know who he is, some Swiss guy probably) wouldnt know how to do my work, and Im pretty damn sure that he wouldnt want it. And thats just one side of it. What about the bussinesmen that abuse their positions and steal companies property? And Im not refering to some office equipment that I might or might have not nicked a couple of days ago. Their corruption goes in billions.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | I agree, its not a privelege, but it does in a way define you. you get known as the guy who works at ___, the guy who cant hold a job, the guy who whatever. as for the third world countries, I am greatfull that I dont live there, work like that or any of it. but, you know the managment board isnt realy a parasite. the board of directors is a group who have a ton of experience and skills, and use them to the best of their abilitys. I know that despite the fact that our CEO probably gets paid well more thatn 10 times higher than me (and I would be above the company average) I wouldnt know how to do it, nor would I want the job.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | People in 3rd world countries work for wages like we do. Only they get a lot less, work more and have less rights than we. I dont see any reason not to complain about my employment, if that is warranted (tho currently it isnt, if truth be told). Saying "look how bad they have it" and pointing at China or India, is basicly just a sophisticated way of saying "STFU and work more!"
And if anything, work is a necesity, not an honor or a privilege. I work not because it makes me feel good (because it doesnt) but because I need money, and thats the entire philosophy. As for privilege... Sitting on the managment board in a big company, being a parasite, working an hour or two every day and getting a wage 10 times higher than that of an average employee... That is privilege. Working a normal job is not a privilege. It is just something we need to do to get by.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | There is nothing wrong with a solid work ethic. In fact, I'm one for believing that your work does define you. High standards and attention to detail, raising the bar for those around you, and inspiring your fellow employee. Working 9-5 makes you average. Working 845-515 makes you good. But working 8-6 makes you great. Whatever you do, you are not your job title or description. Do more than the other guy. Step in and fill in those gaps. Professionals are well-rounded in their chosen fields. And great managers know the company business from the ground up.....and are willing to step into any situation to assist should the need arise. Leaders do what the other guy won't. That defines your reputation. That defines your standard. And that defines the man. Work is an honorable trade. Most people in third world nations will never have the priviledge of working for wages. Never complain about your employment. It's a priviledge to work, not to be taken lightly in a free society. Happy Christmas to all!
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| [Head banger] Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:49:19 AM | |
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theft is wrong. end of story. lots of people do it, in proportion to what they can get their hands on, is never right.
I recall reading an article on the top 16 most successful CEO's in the USA. the latest one to get up was up at 0600, was working his email by0601. the average working day was 14 hours. I couldnt deal with that. but I am sure the CEO of ford doesnt want to be the guy screwing on the left tailight on the asembly line forever. its a question of intelectual work vs physical. I am sure our CEO could do my job, probably beter than I could, but I am sure that I would screw up his job, not that I want it. being the guy who if I screwed up costs 90,000 people their jobs, not for me.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:43:49 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well... Many long time employees have experience and skills too, but dont get payed well. Its basicly trying to value in money something that cannot be valued in money. I dont know why leadership and bussines abilities should be worth so much more than others, when it comes to incomes, at least. I dont know exactly what type of a job you do, but I can say that the CEO of my company (I dont even know who he is, some Swiss guy probably) wouldnt know how to do my work, and Im pretty damn sure that he wouldnt want it. And thats just one side of it. What about the bussinesmen that abuse their positions and steal companies property? And Im not refering to some office equipment that I might or might have not nicked a couple of days ago. Their corruption goes in billions.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | I agree, its not a privelege, but it does in a way define you. you get known as the guy who works at ___, the guy who cant hold a job, the guy who whatever. as for the third world countries, I am greatfull that I dont live there, work like that or any of it. but, you know the managment board isnt realy a parasite. the board of directors is a group who have a ton of experience and skills, and use them to the best of their abilitys. I know that despite the fact that our CEO probably gets paid well more thatn 10 times higher than me (and I would be above the company average) I wouldnt know how to do it, nor would I want the job.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | People in 3rd world countries work for wages like we do. Only they get a lot less, work more and have less rights than we. I dont see any reason not to complain about my employment, if that is warranted (tho currently it isnt, if truth be told). Saying "look how bad they have it" and pointing at China or India, is basicly just a sophisticated way of saying "STFU and work more!"
And if anything, work is a necesity, not an honor or a privilege. I work not because it makes me feel good (because it doesnt) but because I need money, and thats the entire philosophy. As for privilege... Sitting on the managment board in a big company, being a parasite, working an hour or two every day and getting a wage 10 times higher than that of an average employee... That is privilege. Working a normal job is not a privilege. It is just something we need to do to get by.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | There is nothing wrong with a solid work ethic. In fact, I'm one for believing that your work does define you. High standards and attention to detail, raising the bar for those around you, and inspiring your fellow employee. Working 9-5 makes you average. Working 845-515 makes you good. But working 8-6 makes you great. Whatever you do, you are not your job title or description. Do more than the other guy. Step in and fill in those gaps. Professionals are well-rounded in their chosen fields. And great managers know the company business from the ground up.....and are willing to step into any situation to assist should the need arise. Leaders do what the other guy won't. That defines your reputation. That defines your standard. And that defines the man. Work is an honorable trade. Most people in third world nations will never have the priviledge of working for wages. Never complain about your employment. It's a priviledge to work, not to be taken lightly in a free society. Happy Christmas to all!
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Well... Many long time employees have experience and skills too, but dont get payed well. Its basicly trying to value in money something that cannot be valued in money. I dont know why leadership and bussines abilities should be worth so much more than others, when it comes to incomes, at least. I dont know exactly what type of a job you do, but I can say that the CEO of my company (I dont even know who he is, some Swiss guy probably) wouldnt know how to do my work, and Im pretty damn sure that he wouldnt want it. And thats just one side of it. What about the bussinesmen that abuse their positions and steal companies property? And Im not refering to some office equipment that I might or might have not nicked a couple of days ago. Their corruption goes in billions.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:25:54 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | I agree, its not a privelege, but it does in a way define you. you get known as the guy who works at ___, the guy who cant hold a job, the guy who whatever. as for the third world countries, I am greatfull that I dont live there, work like that or any of it. but, you know the managment board isnt realy a parasite. the board of directors is a group who have a ton of experience and skills, and use them to the best of their abilitys. I know that despite the fact that our CEO probably gets paid well more thatn 10 times higher than me (and I would be above the company average) I wouldnt know how to do it, nor would I want the job.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | People in 3rd world countries work for wages like we do. Only they get a lot less, work more and have less rights than we. I dont see any reason not to complain about my employment, if that is warranted (tho currently it isnt, if truth be told). Saying "look how bad they have it" and pointing at China or India, is basicly just a sophisticated way of saying "STFU and work more!"
And if anything, work is a necesity, not an honor or a privilege. I work not because it makes me feel good (because it doesnt) but because I need money, and thats the entire philosophy. As for privilege... Sitting on the managment board in a big company, being a parasite, working an hour or two every day and getting a wage 10 times higher than that of an average employee... That is privilege. Working a normal job is not a privilege. It is just something we need to do to get by.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | There is nothing wrong with a solid work ethic. In fact, I'm one for believing that your work does define you. High standards and attention to detail, raising the bar for those around you, and inspiring your fellow employee. Working 9-5 makes you average. Working 845-515 makes you good. But working 8-6 makes you great. Whatever you do, you are not your job title or description. Do more than the other guy. Step in and fill in those gaps. Professionals are well-rounded in their chosen fields. And great managers know the company business from the ground up.....and are willing to step into any situation to assist should the need arise. Leaders do what the other guy won't. That defines your reputation. That defines your standard. And that defines the man. Work is an honorable trade. Most people in third world nations will never have the priviledge of working for wages. Never complain about your employment. It's a priviledge to work, not to be taken lightly in a free society. Happy Christmas to all!
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I agree, its not a privelege, but it does in a way define you. you get known as the guy who works at ___, the guy who cant hold a job, the guy who whatever. as for the third world countries, I am greatfull that I dont live there, work like that or any of it. but, you know the managment board isnt realy a parasite. the board of directors is a group who have a ton of experience and skills, and use them to the best of their abilitys. I know that despite the fact that our CEO probably gets paid well more thatn 10 times higher than me (and I would be above the company average) I wouldnt know how to do it, nor would I want the job.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:55:14 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | People in 3rd world countries work for wages like we do. Only they get a lot less, work more and have less rights than we. I dont see any reason not to complain about my employment, if that is warranted (tho currently it isnt, if truth be told). Saying "look how bad they have it" and pointing at China or India, is basicly just a sophisticated way of saying "STFU and work more!"
And if anything, work is a necesity, not an honor or a privilege. I work not because it makes me feel good (because it doesnt) but because I need money, and thats the entire philosophy. As for privilege... Sitting on the managment board in a big company, being a parasite, working an hour or two every day and getting a wage 10 times higher than that of an average employee... That is privilege. Working a normal job is not a privilege. It is just something we need to do to get by.
| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | There is nothing wrong with a solid work ethic. In fact, I'm one for believing that your work does define you. High standards and attention to detail, raising the bar for those around you, and inspiring your fellow employee. Working 9-5 makes you average. Working 845-515 makes you good. But working 8-6 makes you great. Whatever you do, you are not your job title or description. Do more than the other guy. Step in and fill in those gaps. Professionals are well-rounded in their chosen fields. And great managers know the company business from the ground up.....and are willing to step into any situation to assist should the need arise. Leaders do what the other guy won't. That defines your reputation. That defines your standard. And that defines the man. Work is an honorable trade. Most people in third world nations will never have the priviledge of working for wages. Never complain about your employment. It's a priviledge to work, not to be taken lightly in a free society. Happy Christmas to all!
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:17:51 AM | |
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I still think they should do it for free. The little bastards...
Seriously tho, I just thought its weird... First time I heard of it. But I guess it works well.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Thursday, December 18, 2008 6:08:41 AM)| | | ronhartsell wrote: | | Good morning/Day everyone...
Sorry Strat, I had to leave abruptly last night...I can't really add to what has already been posted about paying neighborhood kids to shovel snow.
When I was a kid, much like others on the Board here, I did't get paid to do 'our' house, but to go to the neighbors who didn't have kids or go to the elderly, it would get a neccessary chore done and put a little change in your pocket.
It also gives a sense of good community and builds relationships. It really works quite nicely.
The best part of all is like now, during the Holidays, it puts $ in kids' pockets. They shovel enough sidewalks and they can spend $ on gifts or take a girlfriend to a movie or something without having to ask mom or dad for cash.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert. 
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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Good morning/Day everyone...
Sorry Strat, I had to leave abruptly last night...I can't really add to what has already been posted about paying neighborhood kids to shovel snow.
When I was a kid, much like others on the Board here, I did't get paid to do 'our' house, but to go to the neighbors who didn't have kids or go to the elderly, it would get a neccessary chore done and put a little change in your pocket.
It also gives a sense of good community and builds relationships. It really works quite nicely.
The best part of all is like now, during the Holidays, it puts $ in kids' pockets. They shovel enough sidewalks and they can spend $ on gifts or take a girlfriend to a movie or something without having to ask mom or dad for cash.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:29:50 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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| [kiamat] Thursday, December 18, 2008 5:44:25 AM | |
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Ahh.. finally the holidays, now I can have late nights (and late mornings) without guilt  still sleepy.
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:55:58 AM | |
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Missed you by 50 mins... Good night.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:07:29 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Damn...missed you by ummmm...an hour. Late nights at work lately.
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| [_strat_] Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:55:14 AM | |
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People in 3rd world countries work for wages like we do. Only they get a lot less, work more and have less rights than we. I dont see any reason not to complain about my employment, if that is warranted (tho currently it isnt, if truth be told). Saying "look how bad they have it" and pointing at China or India, is basicly just a sophisticated way of saying "STFU and work more!"
And if anything, work is a necesity, not an honor or a privilege. I work not because it makes me feel good (because it doesnt) but because I need money, and thats the entire philosophy. As for privilege... Sitting on the managment board in a big company, being a parasite, working an hour or two every day and getting a wage 10 times higher than that of an average employee... That is privilege. Working a normal job is not a privilege. It is just something we need to do to get by.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by BLOOD SUCKER Esquire from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:46:42 PM)| | | BLOOD SUCKER Esquire wrote: | | | There is nothing wrong with a solid work ethic. In fact, I'm one for believing that your work does define you. High standards and attention to detail, raising the bar for those around you, and inspiring your fellow employee. Working 9-5 makes you average. Working 845-515 makes you good. But working 8-6 makes you great. Whatever you do, you are not your job title or description. Do more than the other guy. Step in and fill in those gaps. Professionals are well-rounded in their chosen fields. And great managers know the company business from the ground up.....and are willing to step into any situation to assist should the need arise. Leaders do what the other guy won't. That defines your reputation. That defines your standard. And that defines the man. Work is an honorable trade. Most people in third world nations will never have the priviledge of working for wages. Never complain about your employment. It's a priviledge to work, not to be taken lightly in a free society. Happy Christmas to all!
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| [guidogodoy] Thursday, December 18, 2008 1:07:29 AM | |
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Damn...missed you by ummmm...an hour. Late nights at work lately.
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| [Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:41:20 AM | |
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| [Necroticist] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:28:11 PM | |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:56:27 PM | |
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I never got paid at home, but used to colect a fair bit of cash doing sidewalks around the neibourhood. was a good deal.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:46:47 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, IDK, as I said I did all those things when I was a kid, and still do, and never got paid for it. I guess its different if you have somebody elses kids doing it, tho. I never cleared snow from my neighbours driveway...
In any case, 45 minutes over midnight here, so its about time I get to sleep. See you tomorow, I hope.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well, it gets the job done and it gives the kids a sense of accomplishment. They learn to work and earn money and be responsible. Does not sound all that "weird" to me!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Weird.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In the States, it is traditional to pay neighborhood kids to shovel snow, mow lawns and such.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:54:21 PM | |
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I wish I could pay the neibourhood kids. I end up doing it. my kids dont shovel for some reason. ah well, someone shoveled my drive a week ago, that was a nice touch. I will get mine doing more.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:41:18 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well, it gets the job done and it gives the kids a sense of accomplishment. They learn to work and earn money and be responsible. Does not sound all that "weird" to me!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Weird.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In the States, it is traditional to pay neighborhood kids to shovel snow, mow lawns and such.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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Well, IDK, as I said I did all those things when I was a kid, and still do, and never got paid for it. I guess its different if you have somebody elses kids doing it, tho. I never cleared snow from my neighbours driveway...
In any case, 45 minutes over midnight here, so its about time I get to sleep. See you tomorow, I hope.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:41:18 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well, it gets the job done and it gives the kids a sense of accomplishment. They learn to work and earn money and be responsible. Does not sound all that "weird" to me!
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Weird.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In the States, it is traditional to pay neighborhood kids to shovel snow, mow lawns and such.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:45:20 PM | |
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| Well, time to start dinner! A Good Evening to you all! |
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Well, it gets the job done and it gives the kids a sense of accomplishment. They learn to work and earn money and be responsible. Does not sound all that "weird" to me!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:37:37 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Weird.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In the States, it is traditional to pay neighborhood kids to shovel snow, mow lawns and such.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:37:37 PM | |
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Weird.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:33:06 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | In the States, it is traditional to pay neighborhood kids to shovel snow, mow lawns and such.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:33:06 PM | |
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In the States, it is traditional to pay neighborhood kids to shovel snow, mow lawns and such.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:29:50 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:30:07 PM | |
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HA! I am wishing for warmth, thats all.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 4:59:36 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | No, not bragging. Trying to make the most of a bad situation. Not used to snow, my friend.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | braging? its snowing here too. lots!!!
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | The weather outside is frightful, but inside its so delightful. And since I've nowhere to go, let it snow let it snow let it snow....Yep. Snowing again here in Vegas. |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:29:50 PM | |
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Well, all I can say is, turn up the heating... But, hey, it will get better. It cant keep snowing forever! Specialy not in a desert.
It appears that we lost Ron, so I might as well ask you. Whats this with paying kids to clear the snow? Is that like a tradition or something?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:22:14 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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| [Deep Freeze] Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:22:14 PM | |
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Like I said, I am not used to it. It is too cold for me, that's all.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:19:34 PM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ah, I see. Not getting any better, eh? Well, heres hoping that you get better.
As for me, I just have a cold that I keep under control with some C-vitamin and my Iron Maiden scarf. Typycal winter, what can I say... We are getting to used to having no snow, just a lot of cold and rain.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | | HA!!!!!!!!!!!! Very nice of you, Ron! Yeah strat, a little warming would be great. It is especially hard on me when it is cold because of the hardware in my back! I have been aching like crazy for days..more than usual. The medication isn't really helping. I have my recliner by the fireplace and I am trying to sit quietly. |
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