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[Tephra Rising] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:24:42 AM 
Just to change the subject for an equally sensitive issue:

What is a gallon of gas costing everybody out there?
(in Central Oregon I'm paying about $4.30 a gallon which is about 25c above the national average)
[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:23:42 AM 
Ahhhh.  Let it go.  If nothing else, you meet a lot of people and learn what you DON'T like.  At best  .  .  .  .  .  .
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:20:08 AM)
[Tephra Rising] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:22:33 AM 
Vail, please forgive me if I have said anything here that could be insensitive, etc.  Here in cyber space sometimes it's hard to sort out genders, orientations, etc.  So forgive me for any case of mistaken identity.  I can relate if your having trouble regarding affairs of the heart.  I've had mine kicked in many times.  Anyway, I just wanted to tell you you have my sympathies.
[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:20:11 AM 
Keep this up, and I'm going to have to pop Screaming for Vengence in my CD player! Heeeeelllllllllll yeah! brb
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:15:08 AM)
[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:20:08 AM 

Nope. I'm a girl with an "uptightness" problem.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Tephra Rising from Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:14:16 AM)
[Tephra Rising] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:19:23 AM 

Yes, I am a male (last time I checked anyway).......yup, still there.

[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:18:43 AM 
Where to start ?  As for the hair, I choose to go down with dignity.  If some of my personal heroes ( Rob Halford, Mark Martin, etc. ) can handle it so can I. 
As for Vail, unless there is something she hasn't mentioned to me ( and that's entirely posible ) I don't think there is lady trouble, but only she can answer that.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Tephra Rising from Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:14:16 AM)
[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:16:18 AM 
Please excuse me a moment Vail for this next comment please.

I'm assuming we're talking about baldness? Also assuming Tephra Rising's a male. Let me tell you what my teacher said to me one day that may make you feel better. He was proud of his baldness, because he blamed it on his wife rubbing his head while he ate her out over all the years! 

Yeah he was a cool person, and my favorite teacher. The same teacher who saw Led Zeppelin open for The Who back in the early 70's.
[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:15:08 AM 
Nice !  Bit of schoolin' for us.  I guess we've all got another thing comin', heh ?   
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:13:14 AM)
[Tephra Rising] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:14:16 AM 
I had a nice shoulder-length 'do until about 2000 when my "inferior genetics" (thanks Mom) took over and it was either cut it short or apply to Colonial Williamsburg to play Ben Franklin.  I keep it short these days but just can't quite bring myself to go "chrome dome" quite yet.  (I really, really miss my hair.)

Is Vaillant suffering from lady trouble?  If so, I feel for ya bro, 2 failed marriages under my belt and at 40 it isn't exactly getting easier to find Miss Right.  Had a fantastic date with a great gal about 2 weeks ago, one of the best dates I think I've ever had, was really crazy about her but she let me know on no uncertain terms she didn't have those kind of feelings for me.  So I can relate.  I still search against all odds for Miss Right.  Love sucks sometimes......(oh well, we were 200 miles apart anyway.  Long-distance never seems to work for me.)
[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:13:14 AM 
You're right. There's only one life... gotta live it up, right?
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:10:15 AM 
Ha !  Got the same "hair affliction" myself.  If nothing else, after having it halfway down my back, it's so much less trouble !
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Tephra Rising from Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:07:21 AM)
[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:07:40 AM 
It's best to let little things like that go Vail. Life's short, and she won't always be there. One day you may find youself looking back, and when you do...be thankful that she even listened, or read something that means so much to you. That's one way to make it a positive instead of a negative for you. Maybe you won't get so mad next time as a result, and may even see the humor, or whatever it is from her point of view. Most important is that you do have moments with her like that, which will build up memories. Some people don't even have that.
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[Tephra Rising] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:07:21 AM 
No worries, DC.  Actually I was only poking mild fun, I thought Rob actually looked really cool with his mullet, although I think I liked him best with the British Steel "Living After Midnight" shoulder-length 'do (a style I emulated myself for a while in high school).  I suffer Rob's same affliction these days but haven't broken down and shaved it all off yet.......did I mention I'm not only the Hair Club President I'm also a member!!!???

Don't worry about Dokken.  I have found in the metal world you either love 'em or hate 'em.  I will say for the record that out of all the "hair bands" (Poison, Warrant, etc.), I found Dokken to be more concerned with the actual music they were playing and not how much lipstick and hairspray you had on.
[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:05:52 AM 
The songs weren't the greatest when compared to Priest or Queensryche, but the guitar playing and that nasty violent sound George got just captured me. 
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:03:52 AM 
You're gonna lose me talking about Dokken. Never got into them, and Rob's mullet was one of his best hairstyles IMO, but don't let my opinions discourage you from continuing. I respect anyones opinion, and you'll just have to excuse my ignorance about Dokken.
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 1:02:04 AM 
True it was Don's baby, but Don got his deal in Germany and had to actually get a talented band to keep it.  He really should have been more open to the band's input as Don's ideas got pretty dated quick.
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:58:50 AM 
Yeah, although I sometimes get too worked up and get mad if she makes fun of something important during a song (lyrically, most of the time). Its a little flaw of mine I still need to work on.
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[Tephra Rising] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:58:46 AM 
I don't know if you've had the chance to listen to the latest Dokken CD which was released last month.  It's called "Lightning Strikes Again" and it's fucking incredible.  Dokken back and firing on all cylinders.  I must have listened to it 100 times and it sounds just like they did 20 years ago.  Lynch isn't in the lineup anymore (too many pissing contests with Don, I suspect) but their current axe man can play just like Lynch and the riffs will bring him to mind.  I imagine that's an easier thing to do than replace Don, but then again this band was always Don's baby.  Oh those rock star egos.  What is one to do???

Vaillant already knows my story of Priest with Don Dokken opening that I caught on the Painkiller tour in Alaska in 1991.  I think Priest/Ryche 3 years ago is about the closest one to that.  Another spectacular concert. 

My "live baptism of Priest" was during the Turbo tour in Tacoma, WA, 1986 (Rob with a mullet, hahaha)  The opener:  Dokken.
[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:55:16 AM 
Jump on in!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Tephra Rising from Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:49:54 AM)
[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:54:20 AM 
Oh shit, if you're bringin' the mighty George Lynch ( aka THE MAN ) into the convo, you're never too late.
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:53:19 AM 
Then it's a special thing between the two of you, and a good thing!
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[Tephra Rising] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:49:54 AM 
Hey Vaillant and DC, I wondered if it's too late for me to jump into this discussion regarding the Mighty Ryche which is in my top 3 metal favorites (Dokken in a head-on tie with Priest always, always being #1).  I was born in Seattle and so grew up with Queensryche.  Matter of fact I got to see Geoff and Co. open for Priest in Vancouver WA during the AOR tour in 2005.  What a show!!!!   Also can relate to parents not relating to my love of metal.  My dad (now passed on) once declared that I would "outgrow" Priest and metal by the time I was 20.  I'm 40 now.  I love Priest and metal more than ever.
[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:48:52 AM 
I just wish I could have seen that.  I may not even be able to catch this Priest tour.  Money is tight and business is down.  We are just circling the wagons and trying to ride it out.
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:46:42 AM 
Geoff Tate was always my 2nd favorite heavy metal vocalist for that very reason. That's why see Queensryche open for Judas Priest last tour was soooooo special to me. 

It brought me to a memory I had with my favorite teacher. He had seen Led Zeppelin open for the Who. I was envious at the time, and have since dismissed such feelings from my life. However, I have now had what I believe to be an equal experience as a result!
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:42:28 AM 

I do that sometimes too, making fun of little quirks in the music she hears. We do that to each other every once in a while as our strange way of bonding.
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:40:31 AM 
Yes, and dare I say, one of the only vocalists to actually approach Rob's range and abilities. 
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:39:06 AM 
Good advice my friend.  No reason to drift apart without a real reason.  She may have thought she was being funny.  Unfortunately, it may have just been bad timing is all.
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:37:33 AM 

One of my favorite albums...oops CDs. LOL

I've always said Queensryche was "thinking mans" heavy metal. Most people don't understand it, yet it seems they did, and still put it down. Sad IMO.


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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:35:28 AM 
Maybe it's one of those things where she saw the seriousness of it, and threw out some sarcasm. Try to look at it that way, and see if it that's not what it was. Then maybe you can appreciate it better, and share more. I may be stepping out of bounds here, and be dead wrong, but it's better to share what's important to you w/her, than to drift apart, from a misunderstanding.
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:32:27 AM 
True.
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:31:03 AM 
That can be frustrating.  I had a similar experience when I tried to share Queensryche's "Operation Mindcrime" with my parents.  They called it "subversive counter culture paranoia".  As you can tell by the fact that I remember that, it left an impression.  I had always thought my parents were more intelligent and open than that.
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:28:20 AM 
On the latter part of your post Vail. Yes, that's what my life/relationship w/my son's been all about. Connecting on a level that's relevant to both of us. I can also say it's part of a good marriage, or frindship. Years change people, but it's important to keep some things in common, while expecting the changes life in general puts each of us through.
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[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:24:17 AM 
She knows English pretty well despite being from Mexico, so she understood the lyrics. Only problem is she likes to poke fun at anything that's supposed to be serious. Its one reason why I don't share most of my music with her.
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:23:42 AM 
Well...keep in mind...she's the mother of 10. Me being the youngest, and most being of the "hippie generation". She's heard Ozzy from Black Sabbath thru his solo career, and still can't understand his singing. Plus the music's too fast, & loud for her taste....but that day she "got it".
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:19:13 AM)
[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:20:31 AM 
I certainly can see that point, but I want (as any good parent should) him to be better than me. I just don't push as some parents do...and I feel when pushed too far it becomes a rebellion on the part of the kid. Thus undermining the intention of the parent.
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:19:13 AM 
Yes, you would definitely have to share Ozzy's lyrics to break through the visual preconceptions.
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:18:04 AM 
Just don't spread it around.  I don't want my "sensitive side" to get out .    Seriously, I think that's why people are driven to have kids.  We all want someone like ourselves around.  It makes life so much easier when we are agreeing instead of arguing all the time.  How many times have any of us said something like " I wish I could clone myself so that I could  .  .  .  .  .  " ?
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:18:02 AM 
You may do better by showing her the lyrics. At least that's how I connected w/my mom w/Ozzy's Miracle Man. She'd seen the story on the news, and I shared Ozzys funny poke at them. It was certainly "a moment".
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:12:20 AM 
Damn bro...you do get it! I knew we connect for more than the few dozen previous reasons.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:08:53 AM)
[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:10:09 AM 
I think my mom is pretty tolerant to it, but she wouldn't hear it on a daily basis. She allows me to listen to what I like, as long as I do well in school. I only showed her Nostradamus CD because she knew about the prophet and thought he was very wise. If anything, she made fun of one of the songs. 

As far as having something in common with your son at that level, I think its great!! The more you have in common with your son the more you two can bond, IMO.
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:08:53 AM 
Not for me.  I totally get it.  It's a real special time when you connect with a person at that level.  It does not happen often and it's even more special when it's your child and you can see a part of yourself in them.
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:03:44 AM 
Is your mom usually hip to heavy metal? I mean...I know my son thinks I'm a cool dad, and he also understands that I'm still his parent, and NOT his friend, but we have a blast so far together in life with each others company. That's been very important to me...that I could identify with him in whatever he may be going through. Am I taking that to a more intense level? Is it too much?
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[DemonCat] Sunday, June 22, 2008 12:00:19 AM 
We're not shy. We'd perform in front of others, and have done so to do our part in introducing some of Jason's friends to Heavy Metal before. I think we put on quite a show. What with the strobe lights, and multicolored lightbulbs in the lamps. LOL
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[Vaillant 3.0] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:59:38 PM 
I'll ask her in a little bit. She's in the living room watching a Mission Impossible movie en Español.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DemonCat from Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:57:48 PM)
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[Vaillant 3.0] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:58:05 PM 
Yup. 
We haven't had any problems yet here in Bell Gardens. There's A/C in the house but its rarely used. We have ceiling fans instead.
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[DemonCat] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:57:48 PM 
My mom would have never made it through the first chord. Yer lucky! Gonna have to ask her opinion sometime, and share it w/us.
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[TIMBONI] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:55:34 PM 
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that one !   
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[DemonCat] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:53:32 PM 

The twin chairs mentioned. Now picture each of us one foot on the seat, the other on the top. One of portraying KK, and the other Glen...jamming out, and headbanging...then jumping over the back, landing on 1 knee during subsequent solos/ Ohhhhh man fun fun fun!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:46:49 PM)
[TIMBONI] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:53:22 PM 
I laughed too until it aired at 8 pm.  The power came on about 2 minutes after and a DWP truck came to the house to make sure we had power.  I guess the pen is indeed mightier than the sword.
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[Vaillant 3.0] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:49:54 PM 
A little uncomfortable from the heat, but okay...and laughing after seeing the kids protest about the power outage.
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[Vaillant 3.0] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:47:12 PM 

That was cool!!! I shared my Nostradamus CD with my mom on the car today on the way to the store. She heard the 1st CD, from Dawn of Creation to War. She seems to have liked it!! She didn't give me her opinion, though.


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[TIMBONI] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:46:49 PM 
Oh, man.  I remember the pics of those chairs.  They are seriously cool and an air guitar show jumping off them would be even cooler !
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[DemonCat] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:44:40 PM 
How are the 2 of you tonight? BRB gotta answer Tims private message LOL
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[DemonCat] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:43:26 PM 
Hot, and sweaty, but nowehere near what Tim just went through. My story's simple. My son, and I just finished a full performance of Nostradamus on air guitar...standing up on the jaguar shoe shaped chairs...jumping all over the living room, and putting on a stage show to no-one. LOL Had a blast, but sweating profusely atm.
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[TIMBONI] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:42:38 PM 
Long time my friend.  How's life been treating you ? 
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by DemonCat from Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:37:14 PM)
[TIMBONI] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:41:58 PM 
Good to hear.  The little ones are so vulnerable to the heat.  It was hilarious.  I come home from work and there they are with signs protesting the workers !
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Vaillant 3.0 from Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:33:58 PM)
[Vaillant 3.0] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:40:29 PM 
Hey, DC!!!! How's it going??
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[Vaillant 3.0] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:38:48 PM 
Really?!? I'll go check it out!!!! This I gotta see!!!
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:36:46 PM)
[DemonCat] Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:37:14 PM 
Howdy Tim. and Vail!!! Good to see some great friends on here at the same time I am for a change!
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