| [never_surrender] Sunday, July 13, 2008 5:59:53 PM | |
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First off, all of us posting here are Priest fans and I don't have the right to judge how another fan judges this album.
With that said, I will just try to explain why I dig this as a Priest album and not just as a concept album or a metal opera or anything of that sort.
There is a huge difference between the short interludes in this album and say, a Motley Crue ballad.
These short interludes are not what the 80s hair metal chicks dig, if you know what I mean.
These interludes serve as a light (but still dark in their lyrics and atmosphere) background on which the heavier Priest-like hard-driving songs explode into.
Lost Love is a song which is very emotional but still not a Deff Leppard ballad. It still sounds Priest to me.
I like listening to all the 23 tracks in this record but if I wanted something close to a Painkiller or a Defenders, I will just listen to Prophecy, Revelations, Death (not just 'A tocuh of evil', by God a lot more than that), Conquest, Persecution, and Nostradamus.
Still we are left with Exiled, Alone, Visions, Future of Mankind which sound clearly Priest to my ears. Painkiller was not the only album they put out. They have a huge catalog and all of these songs fit one way or another what Priest sound like.
If you ask me, I would say this album is a shot in the arm for classic heavy metal sounds in a world where the Arch Enemies, Dimmu Borgirs (what in the world is that supposed to freaking mean?) and Avenged Sevenfolds also ply their trade. |
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| [doggiedogma] Sunday, July 13, 2008 2:54:52 PM | |
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I also believe this new album shold have been released under a different band moniker, because this is NOT the music that made JP the "Metal Gods". This is NOTHING like the first 4 JP albums, those albums are 99% heavy metal and 1% ballads; the new one is the exact opposite! This should have been released under a JP side project because it is not JP IMO! Comparing this album to Sad Wings, Sin After sin etc.. is wrong and misleading IMO.
I LOVE JP, but NOT this JP; it is alien to me!
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| [metalmaz] Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:02:42 AM | |
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The more I listen, the less I like it. I've tried so hard to get into it.
There are some very good songs there, but overall I'm very let down.
This album seems to have caused a real split with Priest fans. There is the usual "If you don't like it you're stuipd and you're not a Priest fan" countered with "If you like this pile of shit you must have brain damage"
I don't like it, but I respect those of you who do.
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| [Metallark] Sunday, July 13, 2008 10:43:44 AM | |
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To take it in context, it is my understanding that this Priest effort was geared to play in it's entirely on a Nostradamus tour as well. Most reports indicated that this was to be more along the lines of a metal opera with theatrics, etc. on the tour. Given that, it seems a good explanation for it's length. Some die-hard expectations seem to indicate a classic hard-driving Priest album. Personally I feel they delivered both. The more I listen the more I enjoy.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, July 11, 2008 5:05:40 PM)| |  | guidogodoy wrote: | | You know, I think it is really interesting how people can listen to the same thing and come away with almost opposite impressions. I was actually driving around the other day listening to Nostra and thinking how much I enjoyed it just BECAUSE the album has so many traces of what I have always enjoyed in Priest. Riffs, phrasing, chord progressions, lyrics, shifting from dark to light, how "I am Nostradamus" goes to that almost evil tone of "Do you BELIEEEEEVE!" With absolutely NO technical knowledge of scales and such, it is tough to describe. I could isolate certain "runs" and, if I had the talent and / or patience and could even cite the song where I heard it before if I sat down and thought about it. Sadly, I have neither! Haaaa!!
Is it just because I am a "diehard" Priest fan and think that they can do no wrong? Hmmm…maybe. However, I was also once a diehard Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth fan. I thought they all started producing disasters at one point or another. As hard as I tried to like it, I HATED the last Maiden album. Likewise, I didn't like Ripper-era Priest, didn't like Two, not really a huge fan of Fight although I really liked Halford. I like (not love) Glenn’s solo projects. Why Priest? Question of a lifetime. I am just thankful to have lived during theirs.
Not to say that those who didn’t like it are not “true” fans, by any means. Far from it. A Priest fan of ANY sort is a great thing in my book. For me, though, Nostra gets two thumbs up. If this is their “downfall” they can take me with them.
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, July 11, 2008 5:05:40 PM | |
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You know, I think it is really interesting how people can listen to the same thing and come away with almost opposite impressions. I was actually driving around the other day listening to Nostra and thinking how much I enjoyed it just BECAUSE the album has so many traces of what I have always enjoyed in Priest. Riffs, phrasing, chord progressions, lyrics, shifting from dark to light, how "I am Nostradamus" goes to that almost evil tone of "Do you BELIEEEEEVE!" With absolutely NO technical knowledge of scales and such, it is tough to describe. I could isolate certain "runs" and, if I had the talent and / or patience and could even cite the song where I heard it before if I sat down and thought about it. Sadly, I have neither! Haaaa!!
Is it just because I am a "diehard" Priest fan and think that they can do no wrong? Hmmm…maybe. However, I was also once a diehard Maiden, Metallica and Megadeth fan. I thought they all started producing disasters at one point or another. As hard as I tried to like it, I HATED the last Maiden album. Likewise, I didn't like Ripper-era Priest, didn't like Two, not really a huge fan of Fight although I really liked Halford. I like (not love) Glenn’s solo projects. Why Priest? Question of a lifetime. I am just thankful to have lived during theirs.
Not to say that those who didn’t like it are not “true” fans, by any means. Far from it. A Priest fan of ANY sort is a great thing in my book. For me, though, Nostra gets two thumbs up. If this is their “downfall” they can take me with them.
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| [Head banger] Friday, July 11, 2008 3:58:08 PM | |
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tunnel hats off?
IDK, I dont love it, dont hate it. I do hear a bit of rocka rolla in it, which doesnt help me.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by J.D. DIAMOND from Friday, July 11, 2008 3:43:29 PM)| | | J.D. DIAMOND wrote: | | I am a fan since 1980(28 years).....and I still can't hear any old JP in this new album.....maybe 1% of 1 song if you really dig hard......but overall....I just can't hear it,I wish I could though(lol!). So I am a "long time fan"....and I just don't think that this is anywhere near the top 10 Judas Priest recordings.....I believe they went a little to far in the studio...got a bit carried away with this epic opera idea....107 minutes long and 10 soft ballads is a bit much for me...I could'nt stay awake long enough to even hardly finish the listen(lol!).
Hey,hats off(even though I hat hats!lol!)to Judas Priest for giving it thier 100% best effort they could possibly do at this time,Ialway consider them my favorite band and always will,but I still think that Nostradamus was not done the right ways. 10 ballads is way too soft for this band even doing an opera.......its like 10 tracks worth of "Out In The Cold"....or 10 tracks worth of "Night Comes Down"...or 10 tracks of "Angel".....now I do like these tracks...but to listen to all of them at once is not my idea of a good time,unless I'm going to go to bed listening to these tracks. It just should of been more heavy and alot shorter of an album.
But I am glad that 99% almost 100% of all of you on JP.com love this album to death.....good for you guys......I however can only hope that this band's career is not over after this long epic opera album.
| | | Healer wrote: | | Well said, Totally agree about us long time fans appriciating it a lot more. I think it even brings back a bit of Rocka-Rolla too.
| | | Maple Syrup wrote: | | I am enjoying Nostradamus. Sure, it is not your Standard British Metal album, but there are heavy songs done in a different way. I like how Rob's voice transcends you back to the old say Sad Wings or Sin after Sin days. Althought there are a few prodding songs and some of the intro stuff are a bit long, I think you have to view it as a whole epic piece. Maybe it is a bit obscure for the new Priest fan, but for the diehards it puts alot of perspective into Priest and their careers, which is literally at the sunset. They can do what the want and it is still meaningful to me after following them for 30 years. Maybe the outside world is scratching their heads and saying why did they release this? But, this JP fan is smiling and looking forward to seeing them live again in August for the 35th time. Thanks for all the years of music and the new Nostradamus JP.
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, July 11, 2008 3:43:29 PM | |
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I am a fan since 1980(28 years).....and I still can't hear any old JP in this new album.....maybe 1% of 1 song if you really dig hard......but overall....I just can't hear it,I wish I could though(lol!). So I am a "long time fan"....and I just don't think that this is anywhere near the top 10 Judas Priest recordings.....I believe they went a little to far in the studio...got a bit carried away with this epic opera idea....107 minutes long and 10 soft ballads is a bit much for me...I could'nt stay awake long enough to even hardly finish the listen(lol!).
Hey,hats off(even though I hat hats!lol!)to Judas Priest for giving it thier 100% best effort they could possibly do at this time,Ialway consider them my favorite band and always will,but I still think that Nostradamus was not done the right ways. 10 ballads is way too soft for this band even doing an opera.......its like 10 tracks worth of "Out In The Cold"....or 10 tracks worth of "Night Comes Down"...or 10 tracks of "Angel".....now I do like these tracks...but to listen to all of them at once is not my idea of a good time,unless I'm going to go to bed listening to these tracks. It just should of been more heavy and alot shorter of an album.
But I am glad that 99% almost 100% of all of you on JP.com love this album to death.....good for you guys......I however can only hope that this band's career is not over after this long epic opera album.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Healer from Friday, July 11, 2008 12:23:36 PM)| | | Healer wrote: | | Well said, Totally agree about us long time fans appriciating it a lot more. I think it even brings back a bit of Rocka-Rolla too.
| | | Maple Syrup wrote: | | I am enjoying Nostradamus. Sure, it is not your Standard British Metal album, but there are heavy songs done in a different way. I like how Rob's voice transcends you back to the old say Sad Wings or Sin after Sin days. Althought there are a few prodding songs and some of the intro stuff are a bit long, I think you have to view it as a whole epic piece. Maybe it is a bit obscure for the new Priest fan, but for the diehards it puts alot of perspective into Priest and their careers, which is literally at the sunset. They can do what the want and it is still meaningful to me after following them for 30 years. Maybe the outside world is scratching their heads and saying why did they release this? But, this JP fan is smiling and looking forward to seeing them live again in August for the 35th time. Thanks for all the years of music and the new Nostradamus JP.
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| [Healer] Friday, July 11, 2008 12:23:36 PM | |
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Well said, Totally agree about us long time fans appriciating it a lot more. I think it even brings back a bit of Rocka-Rolla too.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Maple Syrup from Friday, July 11, 2008 11:47:29 AM)| | | Maple Syrup wrote: | | I am enjoying Nostradamus. Sure, it is not your Standard British Metal album, but there are heavy songs done in a different way. I like how Rob's voice transcends you back to the old say Sad Wings or Sin after Sin days. Althought there are a few prodding songs and some of the intro stuff are a bit long, I think you have to view it as a whole epic piece. Maybe it is a bit obscure for the new Priest fan, but for the diehards it puts alot of perspective into Priest and their careers, which is literally at the sunset. They can do what the want and it is still meaningful to me after following them for 30 years. Maybe the outside world is scratching their heads and saying why did they release this? But, this JP fan is smiling and looking forward to seeing them live again in August for the 35th time. Thanks for all the years of music and the new Nostradamus JP.
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| [Maple Syrup] Friday, July 11, 2008 11:47:29 AM | |
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I am enjoying Nostradamus. Sure, it is not your Standard British Metal album, but there are heavy songs done in a different way. I like how Rob's voice transcends you back to the old say Sad Wings or Sin after Sin days. Althought there are a few prodding songs and some of the intro stuff are a bit long, I think you have to view it as a whole epic piece. Maybe it is a bit obscure for the new Priest fan, but for the diehards it puts alot of perspective into Priest and their careers, which is literally at the sunset. They can do what the want and it is still meaningful to me after following them for 30 years. Maybe the outside world is scratching their heads and saying why did they release this? But, this JP fan is smiling and looking forward to seeing them live again in August for the 35th time. Thanks for all the years of music and the new Nostradamus JP.
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| [GRINDER *] Friday, July 11, 2008 9:20:40 AM | |
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Think this is a chapter (good one)in the history of Judas Priest, it doesn't mean that they will play like this in the future albums
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, July 10, 2008 5:52:26 PM | |
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I agree Great White. I can't hear anything that sounds like early Priest in Nostradamus as so many claim.I think that the majority of fans are just excited that a new Priest album is released......it will be interesting to hear what people have to say about this LP in about 3 years when it's no longer new.
I think that if the band is going to continue with the new style and sound of the new album...then maybe the band should change thier name from Judas Priest to "Nostradamus"......??? no?
I can't and never understood why the band feels that they need to "change the face and sound of heavy metal"??? They tried this with 3 albums.....Turbo....Demolition....and now Nostradamus.....I think that Ram It Down is even a better example of what JP is about over the new album.
Yes they tried something new,but "new" is not always "better".
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:32:12 PM)| | | Great White wrote: | | Nostradamus is no where near what the first three albums are like, I grew up listening to Rocka Rolla, sad wings, etc. I love those albums, but the new CD is very dark. Yes this album is not to my taste, yet every other album, aside from Turbo are. We all have our opinions and there will always be people who like and dislike an album. I wish other people would respect their opionions. I have no problem with people who say they love this album. That's great, just because I don't doesn't make me any less a fan than anyone else. Priest rock!!!! They always will! |
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| [Great White] Wednesday, July 09, 2008 3:32:12 PM | |
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Nostradamus is no where near what the first three albums are like, I grew up listening to Rocka Rolla, sad wings, etc. I love those albums, but the new CD is very dark. Yes this album is not to my taste, yet every other album, aside from Turbo are. We all have our opinions and there will always be people who like and dislike an album. I wish other people would respect their opionions. I have no problem with people who say they love this album. That's great, just because I don't doesn't make me any less a fan than anyone else. Priest rock!!!! They always will! |
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| [JayDee Jepsen] Monday, July 07, 2008 1:32:56 AM | |
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| JUDAS PRIEST takes a sharp dive on the Billboard 200.....JP dropping from #11 - #40. Without radio support JP Nostradamus will be off the charts by next week or two. |
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| [Scott Gavin] Monday, July 07, 2008 12:16:28 AM | |
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Review from the New Zealand Herald [ the countrys biggest daily newspaper].
Four stars [ out of 5]
One of the most influential metal bands ever builds a concept around one of the greatest seers into an epic and sprawling Nostra-drama. Its not the future of rock n' roll but bombastic never sounded quite so fantastic. ipod essential : Death.
Couldn't agree more, and for those complaining about the tempo of the songs, I would argue that most of their songs are this tempo, its the ones that aren't that stand out [ like er ... Nostrodamus for example.] It may be a bit more lightweight, soft even, but what, ... Living after midnight isn't? most of turbo isn't, Last rose of summer isn't?. You don't have to love it, I don't like turbo, most of point of entry, and even a lot of Screaming. I think its obvious that its a polarising album, that in ten or fifteen years people will still be talking about [ and thats the sign of a classic .... , or a disaster - now I'm confusing myself!] Like it or lump it, thats the curse of the Priest fan. |
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| [Turtle44] Sunday, July 06, 2008 8:54:05 PM | |
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| I really don't think that this is the downfall of Priest. I just think that they are trying something different here and are experimenting. It is new direction that they are taking and want to see how everything goes. One has to have a open mind when listening to this cd. |
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| [aceroperuano] Sunday, July 06, 2008 1:10:18 PM | |
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I know I have posted this in other theme but i feel I have to do it here too:
I want to make things clear, I adore Judas Priest, I live for Judas, I even constantly sware over the symbolic image of Rob leather pants or studed leather jacket(I actually do!), but.......but I really don't like this album, and I think that being a Judas Priest doesn't mean that i should be bland at the hour of critisize his work, or praise every new album they get out like is a new painkiller or stained class, so this is it: this is not a good Judas Priest album, why?? lets see, Rob: great vocals, Glen and KK: awesome guitar player, Ian hill: he do a good work, Scott Travis: excellent drums man, so why this is a bad album?? because almost 90% of the song are midpaced, kinda low tune, a profuse use of synth(cut it out!), I mean a little is right but for godsake this is Judas Priest!! heavy metal in its purest form!! and I wanted like that, this album have a bland sound and not Priest sound, it haves its moments(War, Visions,etc) but I think this is the "hey guys! lets make experimental/conceptual music just for the fun" album,this should be a one disc album, cause were many fillers songs this time, what amaze coming from a band like Priest.
I think this was unavoidable, they have to make and experimental album so they could grow musically and see what it fits really with Judas Priest music and style, I give this album a 6.5 on a 10 scale, and believes me, it hurts me to gave that pointage, I only hope next album would be better.
So this is it, now you can stone me to death for been a Judas Priest heretic, but at least I know that I feel better(or worse, depend how you see it) for writting these here...this is my katarsis. |
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| [Scott Gavin] Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:29:02 PM | |
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| Its 'cos we forget to! Future of mankind is my new favourite.My Wife thinks its very reminiscent of Floyd's The Wall. Responding to criticisms that Scott's drumming has been 'phoned in' as it were, or is a drum machine [ on some songs this may be the case, but only ones where there is hardly any percussion], or that Ian Hill is invisible on the album [ also valid on some songs] this song proves them wrong. Its funny all the criticisms I hear, remind me of how I felt the FIRST time I heard the album, and I sort of thought they might have a point, but now I've been listening to it for a couple of weeks, you can hear new things all the time; the bass lines, the drum fills, the harmonies and Rob's backing vocals. People criticising the album have obviously only listened to it once [ at a stretch twice] and haven't given it its due. That is also a poor way to review any piece of music. I really do prefer disc 2 over one [ hard call though] seems like hit after hit; Exile, Alone [ which should be a legitimate chart hit], visions, Nostrodamus and Future Of Mankind. Its like a greatest hits already, even my kids love it [ which makes a lovely change from crazy frog and hip hop!]. |
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| [Bulldawg] Saturday, July 05, 2008 3:59:24 PM | |
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| I don't know why I don't hear alot of people talking about "Future of Mankind" and "Persecution"....clearly two of the best songs on a great cd. |
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| [Scott Gavin] Saturday, July 05, 2008 1:17:14 AM | |
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| Rather than putting a negative spin on it, the fact that Nostrodamus is selling strongly enough to spend a second week in the US Top 40 is very encouraging. Not only did AOR enter the charts two places lower, it plummeted to somewhere like No.67 the following week, and then dissapeared out of the top 100. All unit sales across the board are lower so that argument is fatuous and irrelevant. It looks like Nostrodamus could spend a few more weeks in the US charts, hopefully boosted by the US tour starting in two weeks. Hopefully they'll add songs like Alone and Persecution to the setlist and drop the ponderous [ if atmospheric] Death. We have just bought a third copy of it [ one was a gift for a friend], as the version I burnt off for my wife has all the tracks individualised so there is a 'stop' in between each song. Great anti-piracy ploy, but we were happy to buy again, cheaper in NZ than on Amazon US anyway! Radio stations here really plugging the album and the show, big posters up in central Auckland, its like a dream come true. |
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| [.] Friday, July 04, 2008 9:18:16 PM | |
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Slam is for punk rockers.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM)| | | Great White wrote: | | I wouldn't call this album the "Downfall of JP" I would call it a mediocre album, just as Turbo was. It certainly isn't their best for sure. I know some of you are going to slam me for this opinion, but I gotta say what I gotta say. Great, fantastic that they tried something new, but I believe they'll note that it isn't what the majority of Priest fans are wanting and more than likely go back to what they know best......rockin' Heavy Metal, not trudging dark metal. |
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I don't think the first cd is slow. Persecution is very thrash metal. And so is Nostradamus. The top two favorites so far are Prophecy and Revelations. Nostradamus a close third.
If this is the downfall of Judas Priest, I want to go to the hell they will end up in. 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM)| | | Great White wrote: | | I wouldn't call this album the "Downfall of JP" I would call it a mediocre album, just as Turbo was. It certainly isn't their best for sure. I know some of you are going to slam me for this opinion, but I gotta say what I gotta say. Great, fantastic that they tried something new, but I believe they'll note that it isn't what the majority of Priest fans are wanting and more than likely go back to what they know best......rockin' Heavy Metal, not trudging dark metal. |
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| [spapad] Friday, July 04, 2008 3:03:43 PM | |
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I respect you opinion, but it is good..........it's just not to your taste. You must have a problem listening to the early stuff. Its all great and meant for everyone to interperate to their own means.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Great White from Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM)| | | Great White wrote: | | I wouldn't call this album the "Downfall of JP" I would call it a mediocre album, just as Turbo was. It certainly isn't their best for sure. I know some of you are going to slam me for this opinion, but I gotta say what I gotta say. Great, fantastic that they tried something new, but I believe they'll note that it isn't what the majority of Priest fans are wanting and more than likely go back to what they know best......rockin' Heavy Metal, not trudging dark metal. |
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| [Great White] Friday, July 04, 2008 2:39:52 PM | |
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I wouldn't call this album the "Downfall of JP" I would call it a mediocre album, just as Turbo was. It certainly isn't their best for sure. I know some of you are going to slam me for this opinion, but I gotta say what I gotta say. Great, fantastic that they tried something new, but I believe they'll note that it isn't what the majority of Priest fans are wanting and more than likely go back to what they know best......rockin' Heavy Metal, not trudging dark metal. |
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| [metalmaz] Friday, July 04, 2008 1:09:53 PM | |
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I wouldn't mind the length of it if it was consistently strong
If there are going to make a double album at least don't pad it out with fillers.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Master of all Metal from Friday, July 04, 2008 1:02:21 PM)| | | Master of all Metal wrote: | | | Perhaps Judas Priest should release an EP for those people with short attention spans that think Nostradamus is too long. Maybe 4-5 songs would be better, but then the complaint would probably be that it's too short. I'm guessing that I'm not the only one that can't get enough Priest material... the longer the better. And what a great deal Nostradamus is... essentially two albums for the price of one. |
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| [Master of all Metal] Friday, July 04, 2008 1:02:21 PM | |
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| Perhaps Judas Priest should release an EP for those people with short attention spans that think Nostradamus is too long. Maybe 4-5 songs would be better, but then the complaint would probably be that it's too short. I'm guessing that I'm not the only one that can't get enough Priest material... the longer the better. And what a great deal Nostradamus is... essentially two albums for the price of one. |
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| [Skybreaker] Friday, July 04, 2008 10:02:46 AM | |
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Week Ending June 29, 2008:
"Judas Priest's Nostradamus falls from #11 to #40 in its second week, a 69% sales drop. That's the biggest drop of any album in the top 200. Of course, Nostradamus was such a great seer, he could see this coming."
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:56:32 PM)| | | Justin Kenny wrote: | | Like my grandfather used to say, "Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one...."
I haven't let any discouraging words from those who've not been able to embrace "NOSTRADAMUS" dampen my spirits or my interest in what this opus sounds like start to finish. At best, all I've been able to do is get 30 second long snippets courtesy of those "Have A LIsten" booths at Borders...where you scan the CD you're interested in sampling, and you get at least a taste of what's happ'nin'. Mind you...I've only gotten those snippets from the first CD, as it doesn't permit you to get snippets from the second CD.
In spite of that, I'll grant everybody this much....sure...it's different. Wanna know what? I expected it to be different. Priest have been all about BEING different from word 'go...' it's what has helped separate them from their peers and KEPT them separate from every other metal band that's emerged since.
As for "NOSTRADAMUS" being Priest's downfall?? Psh...HARDLY. Those of you who've been into Priest for 20 years or better might recall much the same thing being said when they released "Turbo." I remember the flak they got for how different an album like "Point of Entry" was from "British Steel." So...all in all, people have been tossing the proverbial "coffin nails" at Judas Priest as far back as 1981...and yet...here they are in 2008 supporting a Top 40 album and STILL touring to the adoring throngs that attend. Go figure....hardly sounds like a band suffering any real "downfall" to me.
Given Priest's penchant for expanding their own horizons, as well as the parameters of heavy metal music itself, I've long come to expect there to be some discord and variance in thought and opinion from one release to the next....know what else? So do Priest....they themselves know better than anyone else that pleasing every Priest fan en masse is next to impossible...let's remember something folks...Judas Priest are artists in every sense of the word...as such, whatever it is they create and put out there simply HAS to please them FIRST....if anything about "NOSTRADAMUS" didn't please them, they'd still be working on it. As for producing it themselves, well...that's their right and prerogative....when you consider what producers want for their time and efforts these days, I can't say I blame 'em for taking the reins creatively on every front imaginable. Thus far, I've found no real fault in how the songs sound, and for all this talk about Ian's bass being utterly lost in the mix....I dunno....I haven't heard Ian's bass THIS forward since "Defenders of the Faith."
Priest know what they're doing folks...a band doesn't last and survive some 35 years being aloof and devil-may-care about their efforts. You might love or hate what they do as it comes...but one should never deny a band's opportunity to grow and change. |
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| [Bazookajoe_666] Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:59:20 PM | |
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Exactly. They did what they said they were gonna do.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by metallark from Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:14:17 PM)| | | metallark wrote: | | It is a little long. I took some advice and edited it down to the songs that I thought were meaner and rocked.
There are enough songs to make a killer, shorter CD.
I thought ALONE was classic Judas Priest.
Notions by some that this is a let-down are absurd. They delivered what they promised...A metal concept album. Nothing more.
LIVE...LONG...PRIEST
| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | THE ANSWER - for all those still scratching their heads over the latest offering from JP is, I think, perhaps one caused by the pacing on the album.
It is, after all, very very long, with some considerable mid-paced / ballad-y numbers. My advice is to edit it down to a slimmer, meaner & faster 80mins (single disc) version.
Select the following running order on to a CDR, or ipod playlist etc, and hear a much more familiar, agressive & traditional metal-esq sounding release.
1. Dawn of creation
2. Prophecy
3. Awakening
4. Revelations
5. Sands of Time
6. Pestilence & plague
7. Death
8. Peace
9. Conquest
10. Persecution
11. Alone
12. Shadows in the flame
13. Visions
14. Calm before the storm
15. Nostradamus
16. Future of mankind
Now, I know there will be many out there screaming (for vengeance) that this is sacriledge & not how the album is intended to be listened to, but, then they are already the converted, and what we are trying to do here is get as many people on board as possible. I myself, do find the whole double disc a rather flabby affair, I'm sorry to say, and do actually prefer the above edited version which I find is a far pacier & exciting listen - much more what I was hoping for.
I see it as something similar to the cinema release versions of the Lord Of The Rings films, as opposed to their much weightier Director's cut DVDs.
As for the missing tracks, well once you've grown to love the above you can re-incert them later, or visit them individually & see how they shape up having acclimatized yourself to this new world of the metal gods.
Just trying to help.
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| [Metallark] Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:14:17 PM | |
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It is a little long. I took some advice and edited it down to the songs that I thought were meaner and rocked.
There are enough songs to make a killer, shorter CD.
I thought ALONE was classic Judas Priest.
Notions by some that this is a let-down are absurd. They delivered what they promised...A metal concept album. Nothing more.
LIVE...LONG...PRIEST
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 11:36:38 AM)| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | THE ANSWER - for all those still scratching their heads over the latest offering from JP is, I think, perhaps one caused by the pacing on the album.
It is, after all, very very long, with some considerable mid-paced / ballad-y numbers. My advice is to edit it down to a slimmer, meaner & faster 80mins (single disc) version.
Select the following running order on to a CDR, or ipod playlist etc, and hear a much more familiar, agressive & traditional metal-esq sounding release.
1. Dawn of creation
2. Prophecy
3. Awakening
4. Revelations
5. Sands of Time
6. Pestilence & plague
7. Death
8. Peace
9. Conquest
10. Persecution
11. Alone
12. Shadows in the flame
13. Visions
14. Calm before the storm
15. Nostradamus
16. Future of mankind
Now, I know there will be many out there screaming (for vengeance) that this is sacriledge & not how the album is intended to be listened to, but, then they are already the converted, and what we are trying to do here is get as many people on board as possible. I myself, do find the whole double disc a rather flabby affair, I'm sorry to say, and do actually prefer the above edited version which I find is a far pacier & exciting listen - much more what I was hoping for.
I see it as something similar to the cinema release versions of the Lord Of The Rings films, as opposed to their much weightier Director's cut DVDs.
As for the missing tracks, well once you've grown to love the above you can re-incert them later, or visit them individually & see how they shape up having acclimatized yourself to this new world of the metal gods.
Just trying to help.
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| [Justin Kenny] Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:56:32 PM | |
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Like my grandfather used to say, "Opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one...."
I haven't let any discouraging words from those who've not been able to embrace "NOSTRADAMUS" dampen my spirits or my interest in what this opus sounds like start to finish. At best, all I've been able to do is get 30 second long snippets courtesy of those "Have A LIsten" booths at Borders...where you scan the CD you're interested in sampling, and you get at least a taste of what's happ'nin'. Mind you...I've only gotten those snippets from the first CD, as it doesn't permit you to get snippets from the second CD.
In spite of that, I'll grant everybody this much....sure...it's different. Wanna know what? I expected it to be different. Priest have been all about BEING different from word 'go...' it's what has helped separate them from their peers and KEPT them separate from every other metal band that's emerged since.
As for "NOSTRADAMUS" being Priest's downfall?? Psh...HARDLY. Those of you who've been into Priest for 20 years or better might recall much the same thing being said when they released "Turbo." I remember the flak they got for how different an album like "Point of Entry" was from "British Steel." So...all in all, people have been tossing the proverbial "coffin nails" at Judas Priest as far back as 1981...and yet...here they are in 2008 supporting a Top 40 album and STILL touring to the adoring throngs that attend. Go figure....hardly sounds like a band suffering any real "downfall" to me.
Given Priest's penchant for expanding their own horizons, as well as the parameters of heavy metal music itself, I've long come to expect there to be some discord and variance in thought and opinion from one release to the next....know what else? So do Priest....they themselves know better than anyone else that pleasing every Priest fan en masse is next to impossible...let's remember something folks...Judas Priest are artists in every sense of the word...as such, whatever it is they create and put out there simply HAS to please them FIRST....if anything about "NOSTRADAMUS" didn't please them, they'd still be working on it. As for producing it themselves, well...that's their right and prerogative....when you consider what producers want for their time and efforts these days, I can't say I blame 'em for taking the reins creatively on every front imaginable. Thus far, I've found no real fault in how the songs sound, and for all this talk about Ian's bass being utterly lost in the mix....I dunno....I haven't heard Ian's bass THIS forward since "Defenders of the Faith."
Priest know what they're doing folks...a band doesn't last and survive some 35 years being aloof and devil-may-care about their efforts. You might love or hate what they do as it comes...but one should never deny a band's opportunity to grow and change. |
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| [METAL MELTDOWN] Thursday, July 03, 2008 9:52:59 AM | |
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I have yet to have that oppty myself....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:03:20 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | some people everywhere are stupid, its one of the universal constants
on to the album. I like it. not the best, but I am still waiting for the opportunity to listen to it for one sitting, in the dark with no distractions.
| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | Some people on this website are really dumb!! Do you honestly think Jayne Andrews decides the music Priest plays and records!!
This album IS different. Is it better than Painkiller or British Steel or Sad Wings? IMO no BUT it is well thought out, well recorded and an overall excellent production. Yes my opinion now differs from a few weeks ago. I stated that I wanted another Painkiller, barnburner, album and was dissapointed in that respect but I change my tune by seeing and hearing everything in this recording.
This is a stage that priest has not stepped on before and it will take time for some to realize the value of this recording and just how good it is. Its different, not bad.........
| | | JudasPriest4Ever wrote: | | Let me list the things I am disgusted with:
1) that Judas Priest is only playing a select amount of concerts in the U.S.
2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard
3) that Priest plans to perform the entire album from start to finish when they tour
4) that Priest let their manager decide for them what their new album should be about and steer it as far away from the Judas Priest sound as he could; which is why the Priest logo is NOWHERE to be found on the album, nor are any pics of the band on or in the cd at all (I guess they realized what a mistake the album was but it was too late to go in and record real Judas Priest music)
5) that after such a triumphant reunion album, Angel Of Retribution and the successful tour, they follow that up with a whimper of a neo-classical, pseudo-opera disaster
Did I leave anything out ???
Oh yeah, Priest is jumping on the prog-rock, concept album craze.
Instead of setting the trend, they are following one. |
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| [Bev] Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:30:48 AM | |
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IMO ... this thread does suck, giant monkey nuts!
It's OK to have your own opinion, and such.
Mine is that the topic of this thread is a bit over the top |
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| [metalmaz] Thursday, July 03, 2008 5:17:39 AM | |
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Well I've listened to Nostradamus a lot and I'm afraid just can't get into it at all.
I had doubts when I heard it was going to be a concept albums and sad to say my full fears have been realised
Firstly it's FAR TOO LONG. It's in need of serious editing. On the whole it's a mistake to let musicians produce their albums. The Jimny Pages of the world can get away with it, but most groups can't.. Possibly it's an ego thing- band members insisting that their particular song should be included. This album needed a producer (such as Tom) who could rack the whip and chuck out the songs that frankly just don't hack it.
It's samey. Most of the time, I'm hard pushed telling one song from another. It's almost like listening to a metal Andrew Llloyd Webber.
Glen And KK are in good form and Halford is vocally stronger than on Angel Of Retribution. But Hill may have well not have been there. He's been mixed so far down he may has well not have bothered playing. And what the hell have they done with the brilliant Travis. From the sounds of it, they've used a fucking drum machine.
There are a few very good songs on Nostradamus. But I have to say I'm let down. After hearing this, I just stick on Stained Class, Painkiller, Screaming For Vengeance , Sad Wings, British Steel etc. That's what Priest are about.
I'm all for groups progressing. I certainly don't expect them to stick to the same format as British Steel. I really like Angel Of Retribution and even Lochness has grown on me.
And I'm not stuck in the past. Look how brilliantly Iron Maiden, Iced Earth, Megadeth, Saxon and others have matured. Iron Maiden's BMW and AMOLAD are amongst their best. I also love United Abominations and The System Has Failed. I think the same about Saxon - Lionheart and The Inner Sanctum is probably their best music to date. Thye've all progressed, but haven't lost their identity like Priest have with this release.
I will no doubt get a bollocking for this - people have been flamed by some (not all) members of this forum for being so wicked and disloyal for daring to post negative comments. Sadly it seems that only being pro is allowed. |
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| [Jeanine] Thursday, July 03, 2008 12:05:44 AM | |
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| I am falling more and more in love with this album. Everytime I hear it, I pick up on something new. Exiled is haunting. This CD just takes me away, it is like reading a novel and getting lost in in. This is what Judas Priest is to me. I am impressed and happy. |
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| [spapad] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:42:43 PM | |
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LOL. Good comment.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Dan Marshall29116 from Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:41:04 PM)| | | Dan Marshall29116 wrote: | | | Listening to the entire album for the 4th time. I liked it on the first and it gets better and better with each subsequent play. I now fucking love it. I find that the people that don't like it also believe that high school was the greatest years of their life. peace |
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| [Dan Marshall29116] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:41:04 PM | |
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| Listening to the entire album for the 4th time. I liked it on the first and it gets better and better with each subsequent play. I now fucking love it. I find that the people that don't like it also believe that high school was the greatest years of their life. peace |
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| [Freek] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 6:23:12 PM | |
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I LOVE THIS ONE
2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard
You obviously weren't awaiting the release of TURBO with baited breath on the heels of classics such as Screaming for Vengeance and Defenders of the Faith....
gimme a break you wannabe fan..
If you want PAINKILLER, just put it on and listen to it.... |
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| [rockahana] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 4:43:56 PM | |
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silent all the queen is speaking....
" THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE PAINKILLER!!!!"
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| [Head banger] Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:03:20 PM | |
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some people everywhere are stupid, its one of the universal constants
on to the album. I like it. not the best, but I am still waiting for the opportunity to listen to it for one sitting, in the dark with no distractions.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by METAL MELTDOWN from Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:17:55 AM)| | | METAL MELTDOWN wrote: | | Some people on this website are really dumb!! Do you honestly think Jayne Andrews decides the music Priest plays and records!!
This album IS different. Is it better than Painkiller or British Steel or Sad Wings? IMO no BUT it is well thought out, well recorded and an overall excellent production. Yes my opinion now differs from a few weeks ago. I stated that I wanted another Painkiller, barnburner, album and was dissapointed in that respect but I change my tune by seeing and hearing everything in this recording.
This is a stage that priest has not stepped on before and it will take time for some to realize the value of this recording and just how good it is. Its different, not bad.........
| | | JudasPriest4Ever wrote: | | Let me list the things I am disgusted with:
1) that Judas Priest is only playing a select amount of concerts in the U.S.
2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard
3) that Priest plans to perform the entire album from start to finish when they tour
4) that Priest let their manager decide for them what their new album should be about and steer it as far away from the Judas Priest sound as he could; which is why the Priest logo is NOWHERE to be found on the album, nor are any pics of the band on or in the cd at all (I guess they realized what a mistake the album was but it was too late to go in and record real Judas Priest music)
5) that after such a triumphant reunion album, Angel Of Retribution and the successful tour, they follow that up with a whimper of a neo-classical, pseudo-opera disaster
Did I leave anything out ???
Oh yeah, Priest is jumping on the prog-rock, concept album craze.
Instead of setting the trend, they are following one. |
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| [METAL MELTDOWN] Sunday, June 29, 2008 8:17:55 AM | |
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Some people on this website are really dumb!! Do you honestly think Jayne Andrews decides the music Priest plays and records!!
This album IS different. Is it better than Painkiller or British Steel or Sad Wings? IMO no BUT it is well thought out, well recorded and an overall excellent production. Yes my opinion now differs from a few weeks ago. I stated that I wanted another Painkiller, barnburner, album and was dissapointed in that respect but I change my tune by seeing and hearing everything in this recording.
This is a stage that priest has not stepped on before and it will take time for some to realize the value of this recording and just how good it is. Its different, not bad.........
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JudasPriest4Ever from Wednesday, June 25, 2008 1:31:49 AM)| | | JudasPriest4Ever wrote: | | Let me list the things I am disgusted with:
1) that Judas Priest is only playing a select amount of concerts in the U.S.
2) the Nostradamus double cd is the most disappointing Judas Priest album I have ever heard
3) that Priest plans to perform the entire album from start to finish when they tour
4) that Priest let their manager decide for them what their new album should be about and steer it as far away from the Judas Priest sound as he could; which is why the Priest logo is NOWHERE to be found on the album, nor are any pics of the band on or in the cd at all (I guess they realized what a mistake the album was but it was too late to go in and record real Judas Priest music)
5) that after such a triumphant reunion album, Angel Of Retribution and the successful tour, they follow that up with a whimper of a neo-classical, pseudo-opera disaster
Did I leave anything out ???
Oh yeah, Priest is jumping on the prog-rock, concept album craze.
Instead of setting the trend, they are following one. |
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Sunday, June 29, 2008 4:27:54 AM | |
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 Angel Of Retribution is far more of an elite Judas Priest album than Nostradamus in my opinion......it just goes to show how fans opinions vary in many ways. Not to say that Nostradamus is not a good album or anything....it's just that theres no way that it could touch this album.
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I only half agree with you there. I think Angel of Retribution was the only weaker album they put out in many years, if you leave out Demolition....but Demolition I only heard once a long time ago so I can't really say anything bad about it. Oh...the keyboards....
In retrospect, AOR - 'cause it's been a few years since - was about getting reunited with a vital song writing partner. Lockness, fess up, left me quite.... can't describe the ?! in enough detail. But there is NOTHING to hate about any JP albums, and certainly not about Nostradamus. I don't understand the hatred for this album either except that whoever hates it hasn't listened to it besides the VH1 and MTV leaks.
When I heard it through the internet I was left thinking: "It took how many years to come up with this?" But there is really no reason NOT to buy Nostradamus and if you can go to the concerts, by all means go. The album is really THAT good.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by 67gemini from Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:34:55 PM)| | | 67gemini wrote: | | I just cannot understand all the hatred for this album. I think it is just amazing. I've been a fan since 1980 and I will be the first to admit that I've been dissapointed by them in the past. I despised (and still hate) the Turbo album, most of Ram It Down, and much of (the completely overrated, IMO Painkiller). That being said, I think that AOR and now Nostradamus have put Priest right back on top of the metal heap.
Long Live the Priest!!
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| [Scott Gavin] Sunday, June 29, 2008 1:40:32 AM | |
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| Yeah, gotta agree with you there. Painkiller is totally overrated. Its great alright, the production is superb, but I can remember to this day buying it and it kinda just left me cold, and peoples blinkered use of it as Priest's ultimate recording despite its lack of real classics betrays the rest of their back catalogue. Every time I listen to it I'm impressed, but I rarely choose to listen to it. Love the title track, Touch Of Evil etc even Leather rebel [ possibly their daftest title]. Likewise Turbo [ or Turd-bo as some call it down here], have probably listened to it maybe three times. That said I love the live versions on Priest ... Live, particularly Rock You All Round The World, which I always put on Priest compilations I make for people, and even the turgid and juvenile Parental Guidance which was really beneath them in their mid 30's no less. AOR was great but not a killer, and in time Nostrodamus may probably be viewed the same way. I think a key difference with it maybe is that its damn catchy, the 2 titular songs, plague & pestilence, war, alone , visions are all melodic catchy songs and were it not for the subject matter and length, could probably have been singles. In fact to me, Alone sounds more like a Halford band song. Its a cracker album that gets better with each listen, people need to be patient and give it time, god knows they've got 150 odd other songs you can rock your socks off too, just take this for what it is or wait for the next one in 2-3 years. |
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| [67gemini] Saturday, June 28, 2008 7:34:55 PM | |
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I just cannot understand all the hatred for this album. I think it is just amazing. I've been a fan since 1980 and I will be the first to admit that I've been dissapointed by them in the past. I despised (and still hate) the Turbo album, most of Ram It Down, and much of (the completely overrated, IMO Painkiller). That being said, I think that AOR and now Nostradamus have put Priest right back on top of the metal heap.
Long Live the Priest!!
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| The limits? Ya. Between the hammer and the anvil. |
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| [TIMBONI] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:54:54 PM | |
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You really are testing the limits aren't you ? Good luck at Catholic Church.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:48:45 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | PC?!?!? Me???? Now, now Tim. No reason to hit me "below the belt", as it were. I am about as far from PC as on can get. I will always look up moronic Threads with disdain, I can assure you. I also take great pains to be "open" to the views of others. I do not wish to perpetuate discord. If I can find a way to get everyone to be friends and have a nice discussion, I will.
In any event, I believe it is time for me to call it a night. I am beat and I have my niece's baptism tomorrow morning. Ah, the Catholic faith...nothing but a party! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Night All!
| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | Come on Freeze ! Since when are you so P.C. ? The reason that these people create new threads is so they can stand up on their soap boxes, make a stupid comment and say "look at me". I call them attention whores.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!
Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!
I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!
| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [Deep Freeze] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:48:45 PM | |
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PC?!?!? Me???? Now, now Tim. No reason to hit me "below the belt", as it were. I am about as far from PC as on can get. I will always look up moronic Threads with disdain, I can assure you. I also take great pains to be "open" to the views of others. I do not wish to perpetuate discord. If I can find a way to get everyone to be friends and have a nice discussion, I will.
In any event, I believe it is time for me to call it a night. I am beat and I have my niece's baptism tomorrow morning. Ah, the Catholic faith...nothing but a party! HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Night All!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by TIMBONI from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:37:42 PM)| | | TIMBONI wrote: | | Come on Freeze ! Since when are you so P.C. ? The reason that these people create new threads is so they can stand up on their soap boxes, make a stupid comment and say "look at me". I call them attention whores.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!
Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!
I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!
| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [TIMBONI] Friday, June 27, 2008 10:37:42 PM | |
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Come on Freeze ! Since when are you so P.C. ? The reason that these people create new threads is so they can stand up on their soap boxes, make a stupid comment and say "look at me". I call them attention whores.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 10:34:56 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!
Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!
I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!
| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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HAHAHHAHAA!!! OK, strat! You have exposed me! DAMN!!
Betrayer, you make a VERY solid point. I am very much a supporter of debate. It really is a good thing to see healthy disourse and I should be grateful that it is at least sporadically constructive. I guess I need to take the advice of the others that know me so well and relax, put the dentures in the glass and drink my warm milk. HA!!!!!!!!!
I will always lament the continuous creation of idiotic Threads just to ask ONE stupid question or make a comment, but I guess it is a matter of looking at it as you said...it fosters debate. So long as we all manage to participate in such a way as to maintain friendship, decorum and dignity, I am all for it!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Eternal Betrayer from Friday, June 27, 2008 5:12:08 PM)| | | Eternal Betrayer wrote: | | Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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Oh, yeah, like we dont know that you are the evil power on this site, controlling everyone and everything...
Admit it!!! Or its the comfty chair for you!
Also, admit that the Deep vs. Freeze was the best thread ever!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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| [Eternal Betrayer] Friday, June 27, 2008 5:12:08 PM | |
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Fair enough, Mr Freeze.
To me, your opinion is just as important as the next person's.
It's all good fun, plus (un)healthy banter, and for a "useless" thread, it appears to be causing quite a bit of debate - which is never be a bad thing (as long as you've got the time & inclination, of course).
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Friday, June 27, 2008 4:29:08 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | BWWWAAAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Thanks, soylent. I took the "blue" one..eyes getting heavy.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh....
Betrayer, not that I expect you to understand my position but, I have no problem with "freedom of speech". It is also not my intention to control anyone. I suppose MY right to complain about the REDUNDANCY of Threads is is a violation of said freedom? Or perhaps it is not important that I have an opinion? I don't know.
I do not wish to make more of this than already has been made. In the past two or three years, I have griped about the creation of useless Threads and they continue to pop up, so it is rather obvious that what I say is not very effective. I do not believe that I will change my opinion anytime soon and I am certain that morons will keep creating Threads regardless of the abundancy we enjoy.
I will do my very best to "lighten up". I do not want to make anyone feel oppressed.
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....WHY DO PEOPLE GET SOOOOOOO UPSET AT ANOTHER PERSONS THOUGHTS ON HERE??? JUST LET IT GO MAN...I CAN UNDERSTAND BEING A BIT UPSET AT PERSONAL ATTACKS(WHICH SOME OF THE BONEHEADS HERE THRIVE ON) BUT EEEEEEEEASY MAN,WATCH YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE..YOU MUST BE WHAT...60 NOW!