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[Brian_Evans] Monday, April 25, 2011 7:25:20 PM 
 I don't think Maiden would ever pull a stunt like that.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Daniela P from Monday, April 25, 2011 4:48:47 AM)
[jimmyjames] Monday, April 25, 2011 12:47:17 PM 
Right again. As with everything else with this band since Halford returned the bottom line has been how to milk it for as much money as possible. Nobody here needs to know why KK left, it's obvious anyway. One party can't stand the other party. The fact is Priest have been underhanded and sneaky and have ripped off their fans again, particularly European fans who bought tickets to their shows not knowing KK would not be playing. I'm pretty much fed up with them. I didn't listen to the Ripper era and I won't be listening to the Faulkner era. The reality is Judas Priest, as a band, died in 91.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Daniela P from Monday, April 25, 2011 4:32:42 AM)
[Becks] Monday, April 25, 2011 4:53:19 AM 
Good grief, alright, we get it, you're angry etc  but there's no point in continuing to  flog a dead horse - some people feel lied to, others don't. Excuse me for deciding I am not going to make judgements based on limited knowledge of goings on, therefore I don't feel lied to, and have not been 'lobotomized'.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Daniela P from Monday, April 25, 2011 4:48:47 AM)
Edited at: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:54:10 AM
[Daniela P] Monday, April 25, 2011 4:48:47 AM 
Exactly, very well said.
If you're selling tickets for the FINAL tour of AC/DC, you'd expect Angus to be there. If you're selling tickets for the FINAL Iron Maiden tour, you would expect Steve Harris and Bruce Dickinson to be there. The list goes on - the point being that I have bought tickets for something that turns out to be something else than what was ADVERTISED.
Every single person who bought a ticket, should be given a refund and an apology. Not some stupid management-statement about what a "great show" it will be.

Don't get me wrong - the issue is not that K.K is leaving, it's not a catastrophy that there's a new dude playing guitar - I mean, for god's sake, we survived the Ripper-era!

And I don't think any less of Glenn, Rob, Ian and Scott as musicians or members of Judas Priest.

NONE OF THAT is "the problem". The problem is announcing K.K's departure a month before the European summer-tour, when it's too late to cancel flights, rental cars, hotels and concert tickets!
MAYBE I wanted the opportunity to make up my own mind whether or not I wanted to see this "alternative Priest".

I wasn't given that chance. I feel like an idiot for having been PLAYED this way, tricked into buying tickets to something that is not what I expected to see.

You wouldn't be okay if you paid for a Mercedes and someone delivered a Fiat to you door either.

People can say whatever they want, I think this was dishonest - and it doesn't really matter if it's K.K's fault, or Judas Priest's fault or the management's fault.  The fact remains - I've taken vacation days and spent a lot of money on something that is not what it was being advertised as.

Sorry - but in my book, that's wrong.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:36:00 PM)
[Becks] Monday, April 25, 2011 4:40:51 AM 
Different angles indeed - I'm not so cynical as you obviously.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Daniela P from Monday, April 25, 2011 4:32:42 AM)
[Daniela P] Monday, April 25, 2011 4:32:42 AM 
"...they had waiting so long in the hope that KK would COME BACK. They finally realised the clock had ticked too long."
Oh please.
It doesn't strike you as more likely that they were waiting because it would have affected ticket sales if they dropped the bomb earlier?
They "realised" that MAYBE they should say something - a month before the tour? Yeah.
Well then, I guess we're looking at this from different angles, no doubt.

I don't know who's to blame for this mess, and I wish I did. If I hadn't been a fan, I wouldn't have cared. Unfortunately - I DO care. And they can't go hiding behind a shitty management and their bad decisions, like a three-year-old hides behind mommy's skirt when shit hits the fan.

How can I go to a Priest-show now, feeling that they are genuine? I'm sorry, I just can't. At least not unless they tell us what really happened, cause I'm not buying the lame excuses given so far.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:27:24 PM)
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:24:43 PM 
I agree, it's a band. I'm still going to as many shows as I can make it to. However, it is a shitty thing to do to sell tickets to people without telling them that KK has retired. They really shouldn't have booked dates without KK announcing his retirement first. I do think people have a right to be upset about that part of it. As far as KK leaving, it is his right to do so and Judas Priest has every right to continue on as a band. They have my full support - I will buy the new album and I will see them on tour as well. I have no doubt that Rob and Glenn have the ability to write an incredible album together!

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by icecreamman from Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:05:57 PM)
[icecreamman] Sunday, April 24, 2011 10:05:57 PM 
 Guys remember it is all done now! There is nothing you can do about it! It is times like these when we really see who loves Priest! I would spend hundreds of dollars to see Priest with or without my favorite guitarist! It was KK's playing that got me into guitar, and I am fully supportive of Judas Priest! Rob, Glenn, Ian, and Scott all need our support! So quit complaning, and get ready for an awesome show! Listen to Glenns solo albums, listen to Robs; I am sure they can pull off a album and tour together. Judas Priest is not a single person, it is an entity on its own. The Rolling Stones continued without Bill Wyman, why can't Priest countinue without KK Downing? 

Point is:
Quit Bitchin'


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:27:42 PM)
[HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:51:43 PM 
Daniela P, I haven't had a lobotomy, but thank you for your concern..... to be quite honest with you, it was up to KK to announce this, not the rest of Priest. The rest of the band was giving him time to change his mind and until he announced it, they weren't going to. If you want to be pissed off at someone, then be pissed off at KK for not telling everyone back in December, if in fact, that is when he made up his mind. For all we know, he wanted to retire and was onboard with the farewell tour and THEN changed his mind. Rob said they knew before Christmas, but does that mean on December 7th when the tour was announced or later in December???? WE DON'T KNOW and most likely will not know unless someone eventually spills the beans. Judas Priest was waiting for KK to announce his leaving the band and they couldn't wait for him any longer. Notice how KK didn't even have anything to say until THE DAY AFTER Priest had no choice but to make the announcement? Having said all that, I would be seriously pissed off if I were you, spending hundreds if not thousands of dollars on plane tickets, hotels and tickets to the shows only to find out much later that KK is not going to be there. Most of the people that you are yelling at are in the States and haven't bought any tickets yet. Those that have for all the shows already announced, I really can't say that I blame you for being pissed.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Daniela P from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:19:26 PM)
[spapad] Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:27:42 PM 
Ouch, I think they waited, until the could not anymore.  Putting on my Rosey glasses.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:12:28 PM)
[Head banger] Sunday, April 24, 2011 8:12:28 PM 
realy, I could live with them playing to gaddafi more than I can live with the idea that they sold tickets knowing kk wouldnt be there. 

if they thought he would come back then fine.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:58:14 PM)
[Becks] Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:30:47 PM 
Yeah that's true, it sucks for those who don't want to see Priest without KK but have already gotten tickets.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:29:48 PM)
[jimmyjames] Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:29:48 PM 
Yeah that sucks but at least you have that option before you purchase.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:23:31 PM)
[Becks] Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:23:31 PM 
I can see how fans could be angry, I'm more disappointed than anything else. Cos if Priest make it to this part of the world, the one time I get to see them it'll be without KK but in saying that, I will still give 100% of my support to the other 4/5's of Judas Priest

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:18:07 PM)
[jimmyjames] Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:18:07 PM 
Hence the reason they should have waited until they knew what was going on before announcing anything, but if they did that they would have missed out on the cash that a summer tour in Europe would bring in. I would be mighty pissed off if I was a European fan. Fans in the U.S, at least, have the opportunity to decide if they want to attend or not after hearing the news.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:11:27 PM)
[Becks] Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:11:27 PM 
I know what unethical means, but I think there's more to it and I'm not going to make any judgement on the ethics or lack thereof of it all. There also probably would have been an enormous hassle involved in re-juggling everything surrounding the shows by saying 'hang on, KK may be there or may not, we don't know yet!' - to me that would have been even insaner than what has happened. Fair enough waiting for a solid decision, from the sounds of it they waited for a long time for the final word from KK. It was all poorly handled, but I would rather it be settled than to have everything up in the air and find out when they walk out on stage, woops guess what KK is not here.
Yeah, Gaddafi would probably be very disappointed to not see KK shredding on 'Sinner', lol.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:06:42 PM)
[spapad] Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:08:07 PM 
It does not matter. JP is still going to sound good, and still going to put on an excellent show. I could care less if certain people don't want to see it. They are just missing out on a good show.

The damage is done. The rest of Priest is still very VIABLE. This tour will be worth seeing.

[jimmyjames] Sunday, April 24, 2011 5:06:42 PM 
Unethical means that something is not right morally in the way it is conducted. If you think selling tickets under false pretences is ethical then fair play but I don't. Doing gigs for Gaddafi is fine as long as when they agree to do the gig Gadaffi is aware that he's not gonna get to see KK shredding.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:58:14 PM)
[Becks] Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:58:14 PM 
I think it's pretty extreme to say the fact they carried on with the decision the band made as a whole unethical. Not wise considering, to be sure, but unethical? An unethical decision would be something like if Priest accepted shit loads of money from Gaddafi for a private gig in Libya, where many people suffer every day. That is a true lack of ethics and morals. An unwise decision regarding something that, as I said, the band AS A WHOLE decided, that is not unethical by definition I don't think.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:53:47 PM)
[jimmyjames] Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:53:47 PM 
You don't need to know the reasons for what has happened? They don't matter. The fact is they've announced a farewell tour and then six months later announced that the guy who started the band will not be taking part. Apparently they had known he wasn't happy and were hoping he'd change his mind, he didn't. They should never have announced a tour and started selling tickets until they knew what was happening, it's unethical.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:48:39 PM)
[Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:50:40 PM 
I gotta admit, I had a good time snooping through all the "KK is retiring! OMGZ!!!!11!" threads, and especially those "Here are MY thoughts about this" threads. Very entertaining.

See what you're missing out on, Daniela P? You wanna hear what people think goes on behind closed business doors? People who think they know what Glenn and Jayne are up to?? Look no further that the Metal Gods Quorum.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:42:21 PM)
[Becks] Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:48:39 PM 
Because I honestly don't think it's a good use of my energy and time, being negative and shitting over the band like that. We don't know all the details, therefore I don't think making judgements on what has happened is wise.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by jimmyjames from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:45:49 PM)
[jimmyjames] Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:45:49 PM 
Why not? They've pulled the wool over the eyes of their fans and are making money out of it. Low.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:38:52 PM)
[spapad] Sunday, April 24, 2011 4:44:25 PM 
JJ, it's not good to comment on things we really don't know about.
I agree with Becks.
No sense in shitting all over this news. 
Get real, this band is all approaching 60 and one already beyond. They tried to wait. Wanted to wait.
Management of Priest has been shit for years. We all know that about Curbishly management! Why they don't quit them is a mystery.
If I saw Jayne tomorrow I would punch her dead in the face!
But you wont deture me from MY FAVORITE BAND! NO MATTER HOW DEEP YOU MAKE THE BULL SHIT.


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