| [Head banger] Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:07:35 PM | |
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make sure the ruber ducky isnt paddling, might throw the whole thing off.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:49:07 AM)| |  | guidogodoy wrote: | | Aha! Well that would explain the anomaly (or perhaps standard) I found today: most of my toilets are spinning counter-clockwise. Are the Simpsons making things up? Are there directional outlets making the water spin one direction? If I pour Mobile 1 in the toilet, will it make it flow faster and last longer?
Now I'll have to experiment with the sink. Better yet, the bathtub as it would hold more water. Have to see if the rubber duck spins clockwise or counterclockwise when I drain it.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | toilets are different, they are built to spin the water, thus they create direction. a sink, with the water left to stop any motion from filling it, and the plug pulled straight out, thats the key
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ive decided to take part in this scientific investigation.
I am pleased to report that my toilet flows anti-clokwise. Which is weird, because Im on the northern hemisphere.
There are two options:
a. The whole country has been magicaly transported into the southern hemipshere,
b. The Simpsons are wrong
And becasue, as we know, Simpsons are never wrong, the b option is rubbish, which leaves us with a.
That measn that all the natives of the southern hemisphere will now have to look out for drunk yodlers.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "which seemed to be going in no particular direction," HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Well, THAT is hardly conclusive! LOL!!!
I do appreciate the effort, though. I remember when the Simpsons go to Australia, they had a super-expensive device in the US Embassy to make their toilets flow clockwise so it must be true.
Hey, JJ. Go flush a toilet for us! 
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just for you Guido, I just went and flushed my toilet for investigative purposes. Amongst all the rushing water, which seemed to be going in no particular direction, I noted that it appeard to be swirling counter clockwise. I can't be sure though.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report. |
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| [Becks] Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:03:10 PM | |
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LOL! I don't have any cheerios. I will check out the toilet at work and see what happens
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by acolyte55 from Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:37:04 AM)| | | acolyte55 wrote: | | | put a cheerio in the bowl and watch the spin lol |
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| [guidogodoy] Wednesday, November 17, 2010 10:49:07 AM | |
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Aha! Well that would explain the anomaly (or perhaps standard) I found today: most of my toilets are spinning counter-clockwise. Are the Simpsons making things up? Are there directional outlets making the water spin one direction? If I pour Mobile 1 in the toilet, will it make it flow faster and last longer?
Now I'll have to experiment with the sink. Better yet, the bathtub as it would hold more water. Have to see if the rubber duck spins clockwise or counterclockwise when I drain it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:21:17 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | toilets are different, they are built to spin the water, thus they create direction. a sink, with the water left to stop any motion from filling it, and the plug pulled straight out, thats the key
| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ive decided to take part in this scientific investigation.
I am pleased to report that my toilet flows anti-clokwise. Which is weird, because Im on the northern hemisphere.
There are two options:
a. The whole country has been magicaly transported into the southern hemipshere,
b. The Simpsons are wrong
And becasue, as we know, Simpsons are never wrong, the b option is rubbish, which leaves us with a.
That measn that all the natives of the southern hemisphere will now have to look out for drunk yodlers.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "which seemed to be going in no particular direction," HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Well, THAT is hardly conclusive! LOL!!!
I do appreciate the effort, though. I remember when the Simpsons go to Australia, they had a super-expensive device in the US Embassy to make their toilets flow clockwise so it must be true.
Hey, JJ. Go flush a toilet for us!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just for you Guido, I just went and flushed my toilet for investigative purposes. Amongst all the rushing water, which seemed to be going in no particular direction, I noted that it appeard to be swirling counter clockwise. I can't be sure though.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report. |
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| [Head banger] Wednesday, November 17, 2010 8:21:17 AM | |
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toilets are different, they are built to spin the water, thus they create direction. a sink, with the water left to stop any motion from filling it, and the plug pulled straight out, thats the key
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by _strat_ from Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:24:08 AM)| | | _strat_ wrote: | | Ive decided to take part in this scientific investigation.
I am pleased to report that my toilet flows anti-clokwise. Which is weird, because Im on the northern hemisphere.
There are two options:
a. The whole country has been magicaly transported into the southern hemipshere,
b. The Simpsons are wrong
And becasue, as we know, Simpsons are never wrong, the b option is rubbish, which leaves us with a.
That measn that all the natives of the southern hemisphere will now have to look out for drunk yodlers.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "which seemed to be going in no particular direction," HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Well, THAT is hardly conclusive! LOL!!!
I do appreciate the effort, though. I remember when the Simpsons go to Australia, they had a super-expensive device in the US Embassy to make their toilets flow clockwise so it must be true.
Hey, JJ. Go flush a toilet for us!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just for you Guido, I just went and flushed my toilet for investigative purposes. Amongst all the rushing water, which seemed to be going in no particular direction, I noted that it appeard to be swirling counter clockwise. I can't be sure though.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report. |
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| [_strat_] Wednesday, November 17, 2010 7:24:08 AM | |
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Ive decided to take part in this scientific investigation.
I am pleased to report that my toilet flows anti-clokwise. Which is weird, because Im on the northern hemisphere.
There are two options:
a. The whole country has been magicaly transported into the southern hemipshere,
b. The Simpsons are wrong
And becasue, as we know, Simpsons are never wrong, the b option is rubbish, which leaves us with a.
That measn that all the natives of the southern hemisphere will now have to look out for drunk yodlers.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:45:53 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "which seemed to be going in no particular direction," HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Well, THAT is hardly conclusive! LOL!!!
I do appreciate the effort, though. I remember when the Simpsons go to Australia, they had a super-expensive device in the US Embassy to make their toilets flow clockwise so it must be true.
Hey, JJ. Go flush a toilet for us!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just for you Guido, I just went and flushed my toilet for investigative purposes. Amongst all the rushing water, which seemed to be going in no particular direction, I noted that it appeard to be swirling counter clockwise. I can't be sure though.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report. |
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| [acolyte55] Wednesday, November 17, 2010 2:37:04 AM | |
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| put a cheerio in the bowl and watch the spin lol |
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| [Becks] Wednesday, November 17, 2010 1:43:52 AM | |
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LOL the toilet cleaning block didn't help cos it made a fair bit of foamy cleaning bubbles which concealed the water. It was just splashing about really LOL!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:45:53 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | "which seemed to be going in no particular direction," HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Well, THAT is hardly conclusive! LOL!!!
I do appreciate the effort, though. I remember when the Simpsons go to Australia, they had a super-expensive device in the US Embassy to make their toilets flow clockwise so it must be true.
Hey, JJ. Go flush a toilet for us!
| | | Becks wrote: | | Just for you Guido, I just went and flushed my toilet for investigative purposes. Amongst all the rushing water, which seemed to be going in no particular direction, I noted that it appeard to be swirling counter clockwise. I can't be sure though.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report. |
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| [guidogodoy] Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:45:53 PM | |
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"which seemed to be going in no particular direction," HAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! Well, THAT is hardly conclusive! LOL!!!
I do appreciate the effort, though. I remember when the Simpsons go to Australia, they had a super-expensive device in the US Embassy to make their toilets flow clockwise so it must be true.
Hey, JJ. Go flush a toilet for us!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Tuesday, November 16, 2010 10:11:22 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Just for you Guido, I just went and flushed my toilet for investigative purposes. Amongst all the rushing water, which seemed to be going in no particular direction, I noted that it appeard to be swirling counter clockwise. I can't be sure though.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report. |
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| [Becks] Tuesday, November 16, 2010 10:11:22 PM | |
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Just for you Guido, I just went and flushed my toilet for investigative purposes. Amongst all the rushing water, which seemed to be going in no particular direction, I noted that it appeard to be swirling counter clockwise. I can't be sure though.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:05:23 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report. |
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| [guidogodoy] Tuesday, November 16, 2010 7:05:23 PM | |
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I wanna go to NZ to see if the toilet water swirls in the opposite direction as is often reported.
For those of us who can't make it anytime soon, Becks, do give a flush and full report. |
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| [spapad] Tuesday, November 16, 2010 6:56:44 PM | |
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Many of us would love to meet you too as well someday. Hopefully before we are all hobbling on walkers. LOL Now, what did I do with that lotto ticket?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Monday, November 15, 2010 10:09:03 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Yes, the world todays children grow up in is even very different from when I grew up in the late 80s and 1990s. And it can be a very scary place. I've not met anyone from this website, but would love to someday.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I do dislike not trusting people. For the most part I do. I have met some great people here and would love to meet them at some point in the future. I met up with Guid at a JP concert and we great time, and I got to see Nashville from a "local's" point of view. It was a very enjoyable experience. Except the Pick incident. LOL
I do feel that the world has become much more cautious since the day of the "milk carton kids" That's about the time things started getting more untrustworthy.
It's sad our children are not allowed to grow up the way we did. If they knew how much freedom had been stripped from them they would probably be pretty mad about it. But, we can't trust to dumb luck all will go well anymore, because we no longer live in that cocoon of the leave it to Beaver type neighborhood, we all thought we grew up in. It was a lie then, but we didn't know any better.
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| [Becks] Monday, November 15, 2010 10:09:03 PM | |
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Yes, the world todays children grow up in is even very different from when I grew up in the late 80s and 1990s. And it can be a very scary place. I've not met anyone from this website, but would love to someday.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Monday, November 15, 2010 6:08:27 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I do dislike not trusting people. For the most part I do. I have met some great people here and would love to meet them at some point in the future. I met up with Guid at a JP concert and we great time, and I got to see Nashville from a "local's" point of view. It was a very enjoyable experience. Except the Pick incident. LOL
I do feel that the world has become much more cautious since the day of the "milk carton kids" That's about the time things started getting more untrustworthy.
It's sad our children are not allowed to grow up the way we did. If they knew how much freedom had been stripped from them they would probably be pretty mad about it. But, we can't trust to dumb luck all will go well anymore, because we no longer live in that cocoon of the leave it to Beaver type neighborhood, we all thought we grew up in. It was a lie then, but we didn't know any better.
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I do dislike not trusting people. For the most part I do. I have met some great people here and would love to meet them at some point in the future. I met up with Guid at a JP concert and we great time, and I got to see Nashville from a "local's" point of view. It was a very enjoyable experience. Except the Pick incident. LOL
I do feel that the world has become much more cautious since the day of the "milk carton kids" That's about the time things started getting more untrustworthy.
It's sad our children are not allowed to grow up the way we did. If they knew how much freedom had been stripped from them they would probably be pretty mad about it. But, we can't trust to dumb luck all will go well anymore, because we no longer live in that cocoon of the leave it to Beaver type neighborhood, we all thought we grew up in. It was a lie then, but we didn't know any better.
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Monday, November 15, 2010 3:54:40 PM | |
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Hmmmm..... that is a very interesting question HB. I think that with all the technology we have today, we hear about things almost instantly. I think just as many bad things happened to people years ago, we just didn't hear about it unless we lived nearby.
My personal philosophy is to trust my instincts about people. When we hire someone new, I know within minutes whether they will be good or not and I've never been wrong or surprised. I can tell right away if something is "off" about someone and I keep my guard up. I make sure that I know my kids friends and parents, so yes they can go over to their friends house. But I would never let them go over and play somewhere if I didn't know the family - better to have the friend come to my house until I meet the parents. I trust people unless I have some feeling that I shouldn't and when I get that feeling I trust it. Always better safe than sorry!
I've met 4 people on this board so far and they have all been FANTASTIC people that I am very proud to know. I hope to meet many more before Priest is through too. I'm hoping we can all get together for a show one day!!!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, November 15, 2010 2:21:20 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | While that is horible, and I often fall into the camp of DTA I think that too much lost trust hurts us all too.
I know that I have met people from the internet (at some obscure site judaspriest.com). I went to DF's house when I was in vegas and had a great time. the guys I was with kidded me about getting killed by some internet psycho, but also kidded me about dating... I survived. I have also met up with QT from this site, that was in a more public space, which makes good sense and it was great to meet her. I would love to meet more people from this site, and think that I would do so, if I could and if reasonable precautions could be worked out (meet in a public area, etc)
I know that in general our lack of trust hurts people today. 2 examples would be, if you pass a broken down car on the side of the highway in the middle of nowhere do people stop and help? not many. can your kids go to a friends house to play in the evening? not often.
sad state of affairs that we are this way, and I wonder, is society more messed up these days, or do things that go badly get spread around more |
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While that is horible, and I often fall into the camp of DTA I think that too much lost trust hurts us all too.
I know that I have met people from the internet (at some obscure site judaspriest.com). I went to DF's house when I was in vegas and had a great time. the guys I was with kidded me about getting killed by some internet psycho, but also kidded me about dating... I survived. I have also met up with QT from this site, that was in a more public space, which makes good sense and it was great to meet her. I would love to meet more people from this site, and think that I would do so, if I could and if reasonable precautions could be worked out (meet in a public area, etc)
I know that in general our lack of trust hurts people today. 2 examples would be, if you pass a broken down car on the side of the highway in the middle of nowhere do people stop and help? not many. can your kids go to a friends house to play in the evening? not often.
sad state of affairs that we are this way, and I wonder, is society more messed up these days, or do things that go badly get spread around more |
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| [joedraper] Monday, November 15, 2010 12:33:33 AM | |
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Wow! That is horific! Very true though that in this day and age we have to be super careful. If you're meeting someone online, make sure it's in a public place and preferably with someone with you. So sad that someone can do something so evil to a trusting, caring person Spa. I am sorry for your loss and the hurt you must be feeling. I will keep you in my prayers xxx
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:46:59 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | God this place is quiet.
Speaking of quiet, I lost a school chum this past week. He was always kind, and I can not imagine him being the victim of violent crime.
Word to the wise, my friends, watch who you make friends with online. His murderer came from New Jersey. He came for a visit and my friend took him to the top of the mountain on October 16th, to show him the view from the overlook there. Last anyone saw of him was at the Wendy's in Bluefield VA, earlier that day. Being that I knew him, I can only assume he took his visiting friend to see the beautiful overlook and was trying to entertain his internet friend.
He was found on October 30 in an old metal storage building which used to be a store many years ago. He had been strangled. The person that found him was a young boy, who only went into the shed to check on things at his grandfather's bequest. So many lives shattered, so much pain involved all because we all are too willing to trust someone, in letters.
I'm a member of the untrust group these days. Measures will always be taken to ensure the safety of myself and loved ones from this kind of event. |
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| [Vaillant 3.0] Sunday, November 14, 2010 11:22:50 PM | |
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Holy Cheese-its, that's horrible! Sorry to hear about your friend, Spa. That's really scary. 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:46:59 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | God this place is quiet.
Speaking of quiet, I lost a school chum this past week. He was always kind, and I can not imagine him being the victim of violent crime.
Word to the wise, my friends, watch who you make friends with online. His murderer came from New Jersey. He came for a visit and my friend took him to the top of the mountain on October 16th, to show him the view from the overlook there. Last anyone saw of him was at the Wendy's in Bluefield VA, earlier that day. Being that I knew him, I can only assume he took his visiting friend to see the beautiful overlook and was trying to entertain his internet friend.
He was found on October 30 in an old metal storage building which used to be a store many years ago. He had been strangled. The person that found him was a young boy, who only went into the shed to check on things at his grandfather's bequest. So many lives shattered, so much pain involved all because we all are too willing to trust someone, in letters.
I'm a member of the untrust group these days. Measures will always be taken to ensure the safety of myself and loved ones from this kind of event. |
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| [Becks] Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:14:55 PM | |
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Oh my goodness that is absolutely horrific  wow, words can't describe how awful that story is.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:46:59 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | God this place is quiet.
Speaking of quiet, I lost a school chum this past week. He was always kind, and I can not imagine him being the victim of violent crime.
Word to the wise, my friends, watch who you make friends with online. His murderer came from New Jersey. He came for a visit and my friend took him to the top of the mountain on October 16th, to show him the view from the overlook there. Last anyone saw of him was at the Wendy's in Bluefield VA, earlier that day. Being that I knew him, I can only assume he took his visiting friend to see the beautiful overlook and was trying to entertain his internet friend.
He was found on October 30 in an old metal storage building which used to be a store many years ago. He had been strangled. The person that found him was a young boy, who only went into the shed to check on things at his grandfather's bequest. So many lives shattered, so much pain involved all because we all are too willing to trust someone, in letters.
I'm a member of the untrust group these days. Measures will always be taken to ensure the safety of myself and loved ones from this kind of event. |
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| [spapad] Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:07:00 PM | |
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It is very sad. I by no means wish this post to go against the people I have met here (save one, and we all know who that is) but this is just a cautionary tale, a real one, about what can happen when you meet someone online. Like you said, they can say all the right things and be not what you would expect at all.
I'm very sorry for him. I know his last thoughts must have been full of confusion because he was such a trusting person. It haunts me; what he must have felt.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:42:25 PM)
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OMG Spa! How terrible! You just never really know what people are capable of until it is too late. People can pretend to be anything they want online and it's pretty damn scary!
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God this place is quiet.
Speaking of quiet, I lost a school chum this past week. He was always kind, and I can not imagine him being the victim of violent crime.
Word to the wise, my friends, watch who you make friends with online. His murderer came from New Jersey. He came for a visit and my friend took him to the top of the mountain on October 16th, to show him the view from the overlook there. Last anyone saw of him was at the Wendy's in Bluefield VA, earlier that day. Being that I knew him, I can only assume he took his visiting friend to see the beautiful overlook and was trying to entertain his internet friend.
He was found on October 30 in an old metal storage building which used to be a store many years ago. He had been strangled. The person that found him was a young boy, who only went into the shed to check on things at his grandfather's bequest. So many lives shattered, so much pain involved all because we all are too willing to trust someone, in letters.
I'm a member of the untrust group these days. Measures will always be taken to ensure the safety of myself and loved ones from this kind of event.
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| [HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS] Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:42:25 PM | |
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OMG Spa! How terrible! You just never really know what people are capable of until it is too late. People can pretend to be anything they want online and it's pretty damn scary!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:46:59 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | God this place is quiet.
Speaking of quiet, I lost a school chum this past week. He was always kind, and I can not imagine him being the victim of violent crime.
Word to the wise, my friends, watch who you make friends with online. His murderer came from New Jersey. He came for a visit and my friend took him to the top of the mountain on October 16th, to show him the view from the overlook there. Last anyone saw of him was at the Wendy's in Bluefield VA, earlier that day. Being that I knew him, I can only assume he took his visiting friend to see the beautiful overlook and was trying to entertain his internet friend.
He was found on October 30 in an old metal storage building which used to be a store many years ago. He had been strangled. The person that found him was a young boy, who only went into the shed to check on things at his grandfather's bequest. So many lives shattered, so much pain involved all because we all are too willing to trust someone, in letters.
I'm a member of the untrust group these days. Measures will always be taken to ensure the safety of myself and loved ones from this kind of event. |
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| [guidogodoy] Sunday, November 14, 2010 7:41:17 PM | |
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Yikes. Now there is a horrific tale.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:46:59 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | God this place is quiet.
Speaking of quiet, I lost a school chum this past week. He was always kind, and I can not imagine him being the victim of violent crime.
Word to the wise, my friends, watch who you make friends with online. His murderer came from New Jersey. He came for a visit and my friend took him to the top of the mountain on October 16th, to show him the view from the overlook there. Last anyone saw of him was at the Wendy's in Bluefield VA, earlier that day. Being that I knew him, I can only assume he took his visiting friend to see the beautiful overlook and was trying to entertain his internet friend.
He was found on October 30 in an old metal storage building which used to be a store many years ago. He had been strangled. The person that found him was a young boy, who only went into the shed to check on things at his grandfather's bequest. So many lives shattered, so much pain involved all because we all are too willing to trust someone, in letters.
I'm a member of the untrust group these days. Measures will always be taken to ensure the safety of myself and loved ones from this kind of event. |
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| [Necroticist] Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:58:27 PM | |
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| [spapad] Sunday, November 14, 2010 5:46:59 PM | |
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God this place is quiet.
Speaking of quiet, I lost a school chum this past week. He was always kind, and I can not imagine him being the victim of violent crime.
Word to the wise, my friends, watch who you make friends with online. His murderer came from New Jersey. He came for a visit and my friend took him to the top of the mountain on October 16th, to show him the view from the overlook there. Last anyone saw of him was at the Wendy's in Bluefield VA, earlier that day. Being that I knew him, I can only assume he took his visiting friend to see the beautiful overlook and was trying to entertain his internet friend.
He was found on October 30 in an old metal storage building which used to be a store many years ago. He had been strangled. The person that found him was a young boy, who only went into the shed to check on things at his grandfather's bequest. So many lives shattered, so much pain involved all because we all are too willing to trust someone, in letters.
I'm a member of the untrust group these days. Measures will always be taken to ensure the safety of myself and loved ones from this kind of event. |
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| [Head banger] Sunday, November 14, 2010 10:11:19 AM | |
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we are sort of unique. the union came in about 20 years ago, mostly younger workers then. now most of the workforce is over 65, and most of those are semi retired former managers from other industrys. put that with the fact that we are by a long shot the most conservative, least unionized province in canada, and the fact that in the last negotiation the company offered an increase of 17% where the union asked for 10 (couldnt hire then, now that raise is going to cause issues if we ever get to discuss economics). if any of the employees actualy decided to take interest in the effort to decertify I am sure it would be a quick vote. problem is, they have golf to go to and such.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:27:34 AM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Good morning fellow Metalheads 
Budred and Becks, as a former U.S. Marine I thank you!!
Wow! I thought I'd have more time to play but 52 hours at work last week and 64 this week, I'm pooped!! lol No complaints though as the holidays are drawing near and with high unemployment, I thank God every day for my job!!
HB, minimum wage here in the States is $7.55 / hr, though individual States can mandate a higher amount and some do.
I totally agree that theft from the company cannot be ignored!! No excuse for that!! Safety violations are serious as well, but I've learned that every situation is usually unique unto itself and requires a thorough investigation.
As far as workers themselves hating their union, I've never really heard of such a thing. I can understand workers not liking the politics involved or that it's hard for a company to reward good employees because of their contract, or that maybe they've had a bad experience with a rep and feel that they deserved better because that sometimes does happen especially if the rep(s) are not well trained or knowledgeable. Again, most situations are unique unto themselves.
I've found that the rep usually gets a bad rap when something goes wrong because it's easier to be mad at and take frustration out on a co-worker (which a rep is) than to lash out and those in management who wronged them and for obvious reasons, no fear of losing their job that way. A lot of times a worker may have issues that just aren't grieveable regardless of how wronged they feel and because the rep can't do anything about it, they take it out on them.
Spa, yes! Any non-union employer in the statee of Indiana can terminate an employee "at will", and that sucks!! No warning, no just cause!! For this reason alone it pays to be under a union umbrella!! |
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| [ron h] Sunday, November 14, 2010 9:27:34 AM | |
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Good morning fellow Metalheads
Budred and Becks, as a former U.S. Marine I thank you!!
Wow! I thought I'd have more time to play but 52 hours at work last week and 64 this week, I'm pooped!! lol No complaints though as the holidays are drawing near and with high unemployment, I thank God every day for my job!!
HB, minimum wage here in the States is $7.55 / hr, though individual States can mandate a higher amount and some do.
I totally agree that theft from the company cannot be ignored!! No excuse for that!! Safety violations are serious as well, but I've learned that every situation is usually unique unto itself and requires a thorough investigation.
As far as workers themselves hating their union, I've never really heard of such a thing. I can understand workers not liking the politics involved or that it's hard for a company to reward good employees because of their contract, or that maybe they've had a bad experience with a rep and feel that they deserved better because that sometimes does happen especially if the rep(s) are not well trained or knowledgeable. Again, most situations are unique unto themselves.
I've found that the rep usually gets a bad rap when something goes wrong because it's easier to be mad at and take frustration out on a co-worker (which a rep is) than to lash out and those in management who wronged them and for obvious reasons, no fear of losing their job that way. A lot of times a worker may have issues that just aren't grieveable regardless of how wronged they feel and because the rep can't do anything about it, they take it out on them.
Spa, yes! Any non-union employer in the statee of Indiana can terminate an employee "at will", and that sucks!! No warning, no just cause!! For this reason alone it pays to be under a union umbrella!! |
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| [joedraper] Sunday, November 14, 2010 8:48:29 AM | |
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Ha! Thank you Spa! And Vail! My coco heros lol..
OMW!! I just got back from a day of offroad motorcycle training. I feel like my back is about to break! Lots of balance stuff on the bike from 9am til 3:30pm and I am stuffed! But learnt a lot of cool stuff like riding with one foot off the peg and then riding whilst kneeling on the sadle.. felt very weird at first but once mastered was pretty cool ha ha ha. Also sitting side saddle while riding. Now I'm not too sure how that is supposed to help me for general off roading but it was still pretty cool to be able to do. In case I haven't made my point clear : MY BACK IS KILLING ME!!! lol. Now I have to go and catch my kids bunnies, out them back in their hatch and then go teach my Sunday School class.. No rest for the wicked... or the peacemakers either ha ha ha~
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Saturday, November 13, 2010 1:54:27 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | Here you go Joe:
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| [spapad] Saturday, November 13, 2010 1:54:27 PM | |
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Here you go Joe:
www.teamcoco.com/
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by joedraper from Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:55:15 AM)| | | joedraper wrote: | | | HELP!! Can anyone tell me where I can watch Conan's new show online? I love him and my stupid Satalite television network is not broadcasting his show here MY SAD!! |
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| [joedraper] Saturday, November 13, 2010 9:55:15 AM | |
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| HELP!! Can anyone tell me where I can watch Conan's new show online? I love him and my stupid Satalite television network is not broadcasting his show here MY SAD!! |
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| [QT] Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:52:39 AM | |
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| Hey everyone! Anyone know the Halford set list from last night? Please let me know. Thanks! |
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| [guidogodoy] Friday, November 12, 2010 11:43:00 PM | |
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Yesterday, the yearly "Gumpathon" ended its 63 day run to raise money for the troops. I figure that if a man with no legs can run and others can do 85 / 86 miles in one day I could donate and run my eight. Amazing people.
www.youtube.com/user/gumpathon
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| [Becks] Thursday, November 11, 2010 3:17:29 PM | |
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Yes, lest we forget. And thank you to every single veteran out there for their sacrifices!
Haven't been able to post much lately cos I've been so busy, and today has been crazy thanks to family drama. Long story, but it's ongoing. It's not Craig either in case anyone wonders if something has happened over there lol. |
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| [Vaillant 3.0] Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:34:27 AM | |
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I second that. Happy Veterans Day!!  
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:41:53 AM)| | | Budred wrote: | |  ...Remember our veterans today. I may not always agree with our government but I completely
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Any veterans reading this.
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| [Budred] Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:41:53 AM | |
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...Remember our veterans today. I may not always agree with our government but I completely
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Any veterans reading this.
You are respected and appreciated.
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| [Becks] Monday, November 08, 2010 10:16:32 PM | |
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LOL yeah HB, vacation = holidays here. Days like you described, Ron, are called public holidays here 
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, November 08, 2010 8:59:16 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | yep. of course theft of company property... hard to let that go. repeated safety violations that lead to 4 of your co workers writing in complaints, after being placed on probation, not good. sigh. the problem is that 80% of workers hate the union, but none have any interest in removing it. so the few who will represent them end up on the outside of their co workers. the problem is that the union has all these issues to discuss, some real, some bullshit that these 2 fools and a few others gave them, and no understanding. so now they need someone to explain them and help them negotiate it, since they told the membership they would work on these things. one was improving health and safety, which they need to let us fire those who drive van loads of people thru three red lights in one day. if we get this contract done before december 2012 I will be surprised. of course thats at a rate of 5 bargaining days in six months.
interesting about the At will legislation. most states are that way but alow for implied contract, which I would think makes a bit more sense. our rules are like those that Spa described, need to prove that you tried to corect the behavior and the worker would not except in severe cases.
Re your coment to Becks. I think you confused vacation and holiday. our vacation is their holidays. so you get 11 stat holidays and three weeks vacation. out of curiosity what is the legal min wage and min vacation statute there?
| | | ron h wrote: | | Spa, all a right to work state does is allow a worker to have a choice in whether they want to join the union or not if there is a union at that facility. Even though it keeps the facility from being a closed shop (meaning you must join the union to work there), the worker can choose to pay the union to represent them if the need arises. Indiana is an at will state which means an employer doesn't have to have a reason to terminate your employment. Having a union in our plant changes that in that my employer cannot terminate me without just cause.
Becks, I totally get where you're coming from as far as all them paid holidays. The company we support gets 16!! Here are the days we get paid for: New Years, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independance Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Friday, Christmas Eve, Christmas and New Years Eve.
HB, you fired 2 of the union bargainers?? lol That's one way to make your point!! lol
By the way, I thought New Jersey was the laughing stock of the U.S., and I refuse to change my opinion of Bon Jovi!!! |
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:59:16 PM | |
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yep. of course theft of company property... hard to let that go. repeated safety violations that lead to 4 of your co workers writing in complaints, after being placed on probation, not good. sigh. the problem is that 80% of workers hate the union, but none have any interest in removing it. so the few who will represent them end up on the outside of their co workers. the problem is that the union has all these issues to discuss, some real, some bullshit that these 2 fools and a few others gave them, and no understanding. so now they need someone to explain them and help them negotiate it, since they told the membership they would work on these things. one was improving health and safety, which they need to let us fire those who drive van loads of people thru three red lights in one day. if we get this contract done before december 2012 I will be surprised. of course thats at a rate of 5 bargaining days in six months.
interesting about the At will legislation. most states are that way but alow for implied contract, which I would think makes a bit more sense. our rules are like those that Spa described, need to prove that you tried to corect the behavior and the worker would not except in severe cases.
Re your coment to Becks. I think you confused vacation and holiday. our vacation is their holidays. so you get 11 stat holidays and three weeks vacation. out of curiosity what is the legal min wage and min vacation statute there?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Monday, November 08, 2010 7:37:37 PM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Spa, all a right to work state does is allow a worker to have a choice in whether they want to join the union or not if there is a union at that facility. Even though it keeps the facility from being a closed shop (meaning you must join the union to work there), the worker can choose to pay the union to represent them if the need arises. Indiana is an at will state which means an employer doesn't have to have a reason to terminate your employment. Having a union in our plant changes that in that my employer cannot terminate me without just cause.
Becks, I totally get where you're coming from as far as all them paid holidays. The company we support gets 16!! Here are the days we get paid for: New Years, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independance Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Friday, Christmas Eve, Christmas and New Years Eve.
HB, you fired 2 of the union bargainers?? lol That's one way to make your point!! lol
By the way, I thought New Jersey was the laughing stock of the U.S., and I refuse to change my opinion of Bon Jovi!!! |
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| [spapad] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:21:30 PM | |
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Wow, your employer has the will to fire you for no reason? No matter how long you have been there? Here, only in your first 90 days of employment can you fire someone without a just reason, after that you have to follow protocol and write them up, 2 times and third is suspension without pay, 4 is fired. Of couse that is for stuff like no call no show too many late times etc... If you do something truely out of line you'll get fired on the spot. No wonder you need unions with that kind of hire/fire bottom line.
I know NJ is suffering huge embarassment from the "jersey shore" fools and have had to deal with Bon Jovi, but still they don't take it on the chin as bad as poor WV, one of the poorest states in the Union. I fee rather fortunate they broke off from us during the war. The whole of the United States thinks of them as inbred, uneducated, hillbillies. There is about 5 to maybe 10 % of the population that truly own that moniker! The problem is they are such loud mouth nasties, they always leave an impression on those they meet.
So, while I live in VA and work in WV, I'd NEVER want to live in WV. Couldn't stand the shame! lol [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Monday, November 08, 2010 7:37:37 PM)
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Spa, all a right to work state does is allow a worker to have a choice in whether they want to join the union or not if there is a union at that facility. Even though it keeps the facility from being a closed shop (meaning you must join the union to work there), the worker can choose to pay the union to represent them if the need arises. Indiana is an at will state which means an employer doesn't have to have a reason to terminate your employment. Having a union in our plant changes that in that my employer cannot terminate me without just cause.
Becks, I totally get where you're coming from as far as all them paid holidays. The company we support gets 16!! Here are the days we get paid for: New Years, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independance Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Friday, Christmas Eve, Christmas and New Years Eve.
HB, you fired 2 of the union bargainers?? lol That's one way to make your point!! lol
By the way, I thought New Jersey was the laughing stock of the U.S., and I refuse to change my opinion of Bon Jovi!!!
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| [ron h] Monday, November 08, 2010 7:37:37 PM | |
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Spa, all a right to work state does is allow a worker to have a choice in whether they want to join the union or not if there is a union at that facility. Even though it keeps the facility from being a closed shop (meaning you must join the union to work there), the worker can choose to pay the union to represent them if the need arises. Indiana is an at will state which means an employer doesn't have to have a reason to terminate your employment. Having a union in our plant changes that in that my employer cannot terminate me without just cause.
Becks, I totally get where you're coming from as far as all them paid holidays. The company we support gets 16!! Here are the days we get paid for: New Years, Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Independance Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, Thanksgiving, Thanksgiving Friday, Christmas Eve, Christmas and New Years Eve.
HB, you fired 2 of the union bargainers?? lol That's one way to make your point!! lol
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 2:01:41 PM | |
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yeah, when he ran boston he passed something like 10 000 people, must be insane at the start.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Monday, November 08, 2010 10:43:32 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is a true hardcore time. Especially when you consider that a number that placed before him are what are considered the "elite" runners that usually are at the level of being pro-runners.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | just found a post from my sister in law
Kurt finished in 3:27, placing him 4226 out of 45,000 runners. I didn't see him finish (again) but was in the bleachers enjoying the great atmosphere. What a day!
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| | | Head banger wrote: | | My bro in law ran the NY for the first time this year, beat all the celebs in this article. 3:26 I think. I like that one of the chilean miners did it. traped underground for months must fuck up the training something fierce.
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| [guidogodoy] Monday, November 08, 2010 10:43:32 AM | |
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That is a true hardcore time. Especially when you consider that a number that placed before him are what are considered the "elite" runners that usually are at the level of being pro-runners.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Monday, November 08, 2010 8:24:58 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | just found a post from my sister in law
Kurt finished in 3:27, placing him 4226 out of 45,000 runners. I didn't see him finish (again) but was in the bleachers enjoying the great atmosphere. What a day!
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good stuff. I cant imagine that, let alone the kind of times the top compeditive runers get to.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | My bro in law ran the NY for the first time this year, beat all the celebs in this article. 3:26 I think. I like that one of the chilean miners did it. traped underground for months must fuck up the training something fierce.
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| [joedraper] Monday, November 08, 2010 9:37:34 AM | |
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| How's everyone this fine and sunny Monday? Well, not sunny here but it must be somewhere in the world lol. I'm good.. Getting ready for one last evening class and then I can relax 'til the end of the year.. As far as night classes go. Still got two more kids concerts to get through then we done for the year. Saturday was hectic as hell but well worth it. Had to literally be in three places at one time. Managed to do the morning rehearsal, then Zoey's first Ballet show at the same time as Zakk's karate grading. Lucky they have two parents lol. So we split up and each grabbed a kid and headed to an event. Then Zoey's second ballet show was in the evening so I had that shift. Craig had to do sound for the CMA fallen bikers memorial and then CMA meeting so I hardly saw him all of yesterday. Well tired and looking forward to the week so that we can see each other and get some rest! lol |
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just found a post from my sister in law
Kurt finished in 3:27, placing him 4226 out of 45,000 runners. I didn't see him finish (again) but was in the bleachers enjoying the great atmosphere. What a day!
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good stuff. I cant imagine that, let alone the kind of times the top compeditive runers get to.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:43:37 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | My bro in law ran the NY for the first time this year, beat all the celebs in this article. 3:26 I think. I like that one of the chilean miners did it. traped underground for months must fuck up the training something fierce.
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:11:23 AM | |
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in north america its normaly 2, sometimes one. 4 is something realy rare here, for my company if you are over 20 years in an hourly paid position then its 4 weeks.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Becks from Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:45:16 PM)| | | Becks wrote: | | Good work Ron! Just curious, is there no legal standard for holidays over there? I mean as in, every worker here in NZ is entitled to 4 (I'm pretty sure it's 4 LOL!) weeks paid annual leave a year. Is it not the same there, does it depend on employer?
| | | ron h wrote: | | Bev is well versed in procedure and all things HR, so it was helpful bouncing ideas off her. We did have our unmoving points of view, but great insight none the less.
Some of the gains we made on the economic side are we now have 11 paid Holidays a year, 3 weeks paid vacation, employer paid health insurance and a $.75 raise!!
| | | spapad wrote: | | Congrats Ron! I could see Bev's point of view. That many months of listening to the tales of the nogotiation table. 
Good to hear your union came out on the better side of things.
| | | ron h wrote: | | Good morning fellow Metalheads
Well, it's finally over with!! As most of you know I'm a union negotiator at the plant I work at. We've been in negotiations for a new contract since March and it's now a done deal!! The ratification vote was about 92% in favor of, which, to me, is vindication of the comittees hard work. In this day and age when unions are getting weaker, every contract gets harder and harder to make gains on. Fortunately, we made no concessions anywhere and made gains all across the board.
Now that this is over with, I can now come out and play a little more and Bev can quit rolling her eyes at me lol!! |
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| [Head banger] Monday, November 08, 2010 8:10:03 AM | |
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I think his best is 309. I couldnt do that If I had a bycicle. I didnt even think about the registration. still, I supose his mental training would be good. I mean, whats 26 miles compared to a few months.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:02:58 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Holy crap! Congrats to your brother in law. That is one hell of a time! My fastest ever for a HALF is right around the 2:03 mark. I gotta find some faster running music or something.
The Chilean did pretty darn well. Saw that he had both knees iced down at one point. "Screw with the training," hell..I was thinking that it would have been difficult to even register. His story sure beats the hell out of Jared, IMO.
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I'm glad to say that the only mention of the marathon on news over here was about the Chilean miner ran it. (they did also mention the winner). No celebrities at all in the article, in any case, I have no idea who this Jared Whatsit guy is. No need to tell me, I don't really care either.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:02:58 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Holy crap! Congrats to your brother in law. That is one hell of a time! My fastest ever for a HALF is right around the 2:03 mark. I gotta find some faster running music or something.
The Chilean did pretty darn well. Saw that he had both knees iced down at one point. "Screw with the training," hell..I was thinking that it would have been difficult to even register. His story sure beats the hell out of Jared, IMO.
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| [Becks] Sunday, November 07, 2010 11:45:16 PM | |
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Good work Ron! Just curious, is there no legal standard for holidays over there? I mean as in, every worker here in NZ is entitled to 4 (I'm pretty sure it's 4 LOL!) weeks paid annual leave a year. Is it not the same there, does it depend on employer?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:42:17 AM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Bev is well versed in procedure and all things HR, so it was helpful bouncing ideas off her. We did have our unmoving points of view, but great insight none the less.
Some of the gains we made on the economic side are we now have 11 paid Holidays a year, 3 weeks paid vacation, employer paid health insurance and a $.75 raise!!
| | | spapad wrote: | | Congrats Ron! I could see Bev's point of view. That many months of listening to the tales of the nogotiation table.
Good to hear your union came out on the better side of things.
| | | ron h wrote: | | Good morning fellow Metalheads
Well, it's finally over with!! As most of you know I'm a union negotiator at the plant I work at. We've been in negotiations for a new contract since March and it's now a done deal!! The ratification vote was about 92% in favor of, which, to me, is vindication of the comittees hard work. In this day and age when unions are getting weaker, every contract gets harder and harder to make gains on. Fortunately, we made no concessions anywhere and made gains all across the board.
Now that this is over with, I can now come out and play a little more and Bev can quit rolling her eyes at me lol!! |
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Holy crap! Congrats to your brother in law. That is one hell of a time! My fastest ever for a HALF is right around the 2:03 mark. I gotta find some faster running music or something.
The Chilean did pretty darn well. Saw that he had both knees iced down at one point. "Screw with the training," hell..I was thinking that it would have been difficult to even register. His story sure beats the hell out of Jared, IMO.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:43:37 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | My bro in law ran the NY for the first time this year, beat all the celebs in this article. 3:26 I think. I like that one of the chilean miners did it. traped underground for months must fuck up the training something fierce.
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| [Head banger] Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:55:25 PM | |
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I thought Montana was the laughing stock of the states. I always said if we sent the dumbest one percent of albertans south we would raise both our average IQ and theirs. Unions have their place, sometimes, in our work, its all customer service, not so usefull
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:15:06 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I'm from a right to work state. Unions exist but are not very influencial anymore.
I rememer when I was a child watching the news on months long miner strikes. The media always went and found the miner who lived in a cabin with an outhouse, who was the most uneducated person to find in the area.
For that reason alone I'm glad that VA, and finally WV, are right to work states. Got tired of people thinking just because of the state I was from when we vacationed north that we all lived on hilltops past Richmond and all have nothing but farms. I really hated that dated opinion of our state. Unfortunately, that opinion is still out there. Not so much for VA but WV is the laughing stock of the U.S. Glad my plates read VA.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | sounds good. I am on the company side of our negotiations, started with a 2 day set in july, had 2 days set in september, but we fired 2 of the three barganing comitee members inbetween, and they were the ones with the most issues, so we agreed to cut the september dates to one day. next is 2 in December. hope we get somewhere, I think as of now we have either agreed or agreed to withdraw 4 of 83 uniton proposals and 1 of 4 company proposals. at this rate the deal will be done about the same time as my pension starts.
| | | ron h wrote: | | Good morning fellow Metalheads
Well, it's finally over with!! As most of you know I'm a union negotiator at the plant I work at. We've been in negotiations for a new contract since March and it's now a done deal!! The ratification vote was about 92% in favor of, which, to me, is vindication of the comittees hard work. In this day and age when unions are getting weaker, every contract gets harder and harder to make gains on. Fortunately, we made no concessions anywhere and made gains all across the board.
Now that this is over with, I can now come out and play a little more and Bev can quit rolling her eyes at me lol!! |
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My bro in law ran the NY for the first time this year, beat all the celebs in this article. 3:26 I think. I like that one of the chilean miners did it. traped underground for months must fuck up the training something fierce.
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Wow, I could have almost walked that time. But at least he tried. Most people would never do that. I feel for each and every one of the marathon folks as to just participate and finish is an accomplishment of their own.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:20:51 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | Sleep easy. Al finished in 7 hours. As for crapping himself, I couldn't answer that one.
| | | spapad wrote: | | I've never looked for times on the NY marathon in my life. I understand, as a runner, you would find it offensive, but I still hope AL did okay and didn't crap himself trying to finish. LOL
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is exactly why I was pulling for Al. No massive corporation making sure he finished with a decent time.
I really find it sad that the world is more interested in the celebs than the actual winner. Seriously, try searching for the winning time and you'll be forced to slog through countless pages talking about "Jared, the Subway guy!" Maybe if the three Africans that took men's 1, 2, and 3 were on "Dancing With the Stars..."
| | | spapad wrote: | | OH come on Guid, can't blame the guy for trying. Even if it is incentive (money) oriented.
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Sleep easy. Al finished in 7 hours. As for crapping himself, I couldn't answer that one.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:13:22 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | I've never looked for times on the NY marathon in my life. I understand, as a runner, you would find it offensive, but I still hope AL did okay and didn't crap himself trying to finish. LOL
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is exactly why I was pulling for Al. No massive corporation making sure he finished with a decent time.
I really find it sad that the world is more interested in the celebs than the actual winner. Seriously, try searching for the winning time and you'll be forced to slog through countless pages talking about "Jared, the Subway guy!" Maybe if the three Africans that took men's 1, 2, and 3 were on "Dancing With the Stars..."
| | | spapad wrote: | | OH come on Guid, can't blame the guy for trying. Even if it is incentive (money) oriented.
I hope Al did good, he tries hard to stay a decent size and it is not easy for him even with the operation. I would hate to have to work that hard to stay a sound weight.
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| [spapad] Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:13:22 PM | |
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I've never looked for times on the NY marathon in my life. I understand, as a runner, you would find it offensive, but I still hope AL did okay and didn't crap himself trying to finish. LOL
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:09:58 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is exactly why I was pulling for Al. No massive corporation making sure he finished with a decent time.
I really find it sad that the world is more interested in the celebs than the actual winner. Seriously, try searching for the winning time and you'll be forced to slog through countless pages talking about "Jared, the Subway guy!" Maybe if the three Africans that took men's 1, 2, and 3 were on "Dancing With the Stars..."
| | | spapad wrote: | | OH come on Guid, can't blame the guy for trying. Even if it is incentive (money) oriented.
I hope Al did good, he tries hard to stay a decent size and it is not easy for him even with the operation. I would hate to have to work that hard to stay a sound weight.
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| [guidogodoy] Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:09:58 PM | |
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That is exactly why I was pulling for Al. No massive corporation making sure he finished with a decent time.
I really find it sad that the world is more interested in the celebs than the actual winner. Seriously, try searching for the winning time and you'll be forced to slog through countless pages talking about "Jared, the Subway guy!" Maybe if the three Africans that took men's 1, 2, and 3 were on "Dancing With the Stars..."
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:01:04 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | OH come on Guid, can't blame the guy for trying. Even if it is incentive (money) oriented.
I hope Al did good, he tries hard to stay a decent size and it is not easy for him even with the operation. I would hate to have to work that hard to stay a sound weight.
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| [spapad] Sunday, November 07, 2010 8:07:07 PM | |
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Night Necro.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Necroticist from Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:22:36 PM)| | | Necroticist wrote: | | | Am shattered ppl - early start tomorrow so calling it a night - TC all. |
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OH come on Guid, can't blame the guy for trying. Even if it is incentive (money) oriented.
I hope Al did good, he tries hard to stay a decent size and it is not easy for him even with the operation. I would hate to have to work that hard to stay a sound weight.
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| [Necroticist] Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:22:36 PM | |
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| Am shattered ppl - early start tomorrow so calling it a night - TC all. |
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| [spapad] Sunday, November 07, 2010 6:15:06 PM | |
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I'm from a right to work state. Unions exist but are not very influencial anymore.
I rememer when I was a child watching the news on months long miner strikes. The media always went and found the miner who lived in a cabin with an outhouse, who was the most uneducated person to find in the area.
For that reason alone I'm glad that VA, and finally WV, are right to work states. Got tired of people thinking just because of the state I was from when we vacationed north that we all lived on hilltops past Richmond and all have nothing but farms. I really hated that dated opinion of our state. Unfortunately, that opinion is still out there. Not so much for VA but WV is the laughing stock of the U.S. Glad my plates read VA.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, November 07, 2010 2:09:45 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | sounds good. I am on the company side of our negotiations, started with a 2 day set in july, had 2 days set in september, but we fired 2 of the three barganing comitee members inbetween, and they were the ones with the most issues, so we agreed to cut the september dates to one day. next is 2 in December. hope we get somewhere, I think as of now we have either agreed or agreed to withdraw 4 of 83 uniton proposals and 1 of 4 company proposals. at this rate the deal will be done about the same time as my pension starts.
| | | ron h wrote: | | Good morning fellow Metalheads
Well, it's finally over with!! As most of you know I'm a union negotiator at the plant I work at. We've been in negotiations for a new contract since March and it's now a done deal!! The ratification vote was about 92% in favor of, which, to me, is vindication of the comittees hard work. In this day and age when unions are getting weaker, every contract gets harder and harder to make gains on. Fortunately, we made no concessions anywhere and made gains all across the board.
Now that this is over with, I can now come out and play a little more and Bev can quit rolling her eyes at me lol!! |
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sounds good. I am on the company side of our negotiations, started with a 2 day set in july, had 2 days set in september, but we fired 2 of the three barganing comitee members inbetween, and they were the ones with the most issues, so we agreed to cut the september dates to one day. next is 2 in December. hope we get somewhere, I think as of now we have either agreed or agreed to withdraw 4 of 83 uniton proposals and 1 of 4 company proposals. at this rate the deal will be done about the same time as my pension starts.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Saturday, November 06, 2010 8:45:57 AM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Good morning fellow Metalheads
Well, it's finally over with!! As most of you know I'm a union negotiator at the plant I work at. We've been in negotiations for a new contract since March and it's now a done deal!! The ratification vote was about 92% in favor of, which, to me, is vindication of the comittees hard work. In this day and age when unions are getting weaker, every contract gets harder and harder to make gains on. Fortunately, we made no concessions anywhere and made gains all across the board.
Now that this is over with, I can now come out and play a little more and Bev can quit rolling her eyes at me lol!! |
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| [spapad] Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:18:56 AM | |
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Nice job! I'd love to have 11 paid holidays a year! I'd also love it much if our employer picked up more on our health insurance than they do, but our premiums would go down dramtically if we could get everyone there to participate in the insurance, but it's hard to get employees who work at lower wages to even consider health insurance. As for the vacation, I should be coming up on 3 weeks this spring myself! Now, if they could just give us sick days that weren't such a joke. lol
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ron h from Sunday, November 07, 2010 7:42:17 AM)| | | ron h wrote: | | Bev is well versed in procedure and all things HR, so it was helpful bouncing ideas off her. We did have our unmoving points of view, but great insight none the less.
Some of the gains we made on the economic side are we now have 11 paid Holidays a year, 3 weeks paid vacation, employer paid health insurance and a $.75 raise!!
| | | spapad wrote: | | Congrats Ron! I could see Bev's point of view. That many months of listening to the tales of the nogotiation table.
Good to hear your union came out on the better side of things.
| | | ron h wrote: | | Good morning fellow Metalheads
Well, it's finally over with!! As most of you know I'm a union negotiator at the plant I work at. We've been in negotiations for a new contract since March and it's now a done deal!! The ratification vote was about 92% in favor of, which, to me, is vindication of the comittees hard work. In this day and age when unions are getting weaker, every contract gets harder and harder to make gains on. Fortunately, we made no concessions anywhere and made gains all across the board.
Now that this is over with, I can now come out and play a little more and Bev can quit rolling her eyes at me lol!! |
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