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[Stained_White_Trash] Friday, March 15, 2013 5:16:02 PM 
 I never said Angel was a game changer,chief, so can't really ansewr that question for you. I did ask why you consider Saxon albums innovative. Actually you said they were "as innovative as any judas priest album"(that's huge), so please explain because I totally disagree with that. Never said other bands were expected to have a "wow" album every 2 years either. Not sure where you are reading all this unless I'm just forgetting something I wrote,that's very possible,(I am getting older and on the declin just like the old declining judas priest , as mentioned multiple times in here by mushroomhead fan) if so please correct me. I did give Ghost a listen and it sounds really old to me but I like that a lot. I like the vocals because they are clear and melodic. The nice rythum guitars remind me of old judas priest (gues I should say young) sad wings and stained class IMO which is excellent. The deal breaker for me though is the satanic theme throughout the albun and gimmick costumes on stage,(although the stage show has nothing to do with listening to the album) very annoying IMO though, so I have to give it a thumbs down due to the silly satanic song writing.


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[Zomby] Friday, March 15, 2013 3:45:30 PM 
 nice one headbanger well said 
[Becks] Friday, March 15, 2013 3:23:46 PM 
Well said HB. It actually grinds my gears how people think Iron Maiden changed things and were revolutionary blah blah - if you look back they came along at the right time with the right sound. Priest brought the metal to heavy metal years before Maiden decided to join the fun.

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[Head banger] Friday, March 15, 2013 8:00:00 AM 
no one needs a big wow album, ever.  very few bands put out a true game changing album.  they can still be a great band.  lots of people love Megadeath, cant think of a game changer from them.  heck, maiden might be the most popular (not to be confused with best) band out there, they changed nothing. 
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[Budred] Friday, March 15, 2013 3:16:50 AM 
...m(y) name
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[Budred] Friday, March 15, 2013 1:45:28 AM 
I realize you didn't mention me name but sometimes things are attributed to me that I don't say. I mentioned
Harpo's to Stained... and was just clarifying that I didn't say it held 24,000, and I agree with your last paragraph
and never made any of those claims either.

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[J.D. DIAMOND] Friday, March 15, 2013 12:42:03 AM 
According to white trash,Priest doesnt have to have a big "wow" album out every 2 years but Saxon and other bands are expected to? Sounds like the same ole run of the mill these last 8 years Head Banger & Guido eh....
[guidogodoy] Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:09:12 PM 
Completely agree. Painkiller kicked major ass. About all we old-school metal fans can want, IMO. You all know that I am a fan of Nostra but certainly don't see that spawning any new bands. Rap + Metal to me was a completely natural mix. Then again, that comes from a Detroit boy. Mixes better than rap (and you know I mean OLD school rap) and country. Bleah.

Now the French doing Metal. There is a true blend! LOL! Most think Anthrax did the original tune....TRUST, baby!



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[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, March 14, 2013 11:01:40 PM 
Bravo head banger my thoughts exactly. Why does Saxon have to have a "game changing lp" ya know? They dont.
[Head banger] Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:53:02 PM 
Heck, Painkiller wasnt game changing either.  to get priest changing the game, head back to the 70's or maybe 80 with British steel.  other than that no games were changed but they still kicked ass.  heck I love AOR, but I know that by itself changed nothing.  I dont see nost starting any new metal trends.  I dont know if I like most of the new metal, but these "trends" sure as fuck dont come from the priest.
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[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:39:12 PM 
White trash...no ..........no trolling here,been here since Jan 1st 2005 and people know better here. Tell me..and explain how was Angel Of Retribution a "game changing album"?

And you havent answered about the band Ghost B.C...
[guidogodoy] Thursday, March 14, 2013 9:58:44 PM 
Of course not. Neither did I quote you nor say that you did. I know that you've never been there and, while I have been there hundreds of times, even I said that I couldn't find the actual capacity of Harpos online very easily. 

It is a freakin' dive. Boots stick to the floor and people have been known to be shot and stabbed in the parking lot (I park on the street). Just had to set the record straight as you guys have been bringing it up, especially in terms of numbers. As HB said, if we were to go by numbers alone, even Bieber would be followers of PSY and "Gangnam Style" (ooooh, sexy lady, op op).

Gotta also throw in with Stained on the argument (no surprise there). Priest CHANGED metal in a major way. Unabashedly metal. Wish we could ask Dimebag (RIP) but even he wore the JP razor blade. Insane Clown Posse, GWAR, Mushroomhead, hell, half the bands currently playing at Harpos didn't revolutionize metal as did Priest. They may do what they do well, but hardly had the impact of Priest.

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[Budred] Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:53:24 PM 
...just mentioning ...i never said Harpo's held 24,000 people.
[guidogodoy] Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:07:40 PM 
@ J.D. - Thanks, bro. Will give them a listen.

To those talking about Harpos. I am sitting here laughing as I KNOW I am the only one with the luxury of having called it "my local bar" for some 20 years of life. 24,000? Hell, Harpos is a big old-school movie theater that has had all the seats taken out. 10 foot stage and they cram people in by taking out tables and chairs. Indeed, it is a metal Mecca and has been one ever since I can remember. However, even though Detroit has not been one to adhere to fire laws, you are speaking about thousand(s) - MAX, not 10s of thousands, in that place. I tried to find an actual stated capacity online with no luck. Just a big, seatless movie theater with no balcony, though. You can do the math.

There ya go. Carry on.

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[Stained_White_Trash] Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00:59 PM 
 You must be trolling, right chief? I mean who wouldn't say that one of their favorite bands(saxon seems to be one of your favorites) is innovative? I know it's easy to see something as good through rose colored glasses, that's just how it is. You seem to think saxon is so innovative ... I'd like to know how? Yes their excellent metal compared to something like the trival mushroomhead-slipknot and other new matal bands ,but what are some of their game changing albums? Has any of those albums set a new standard for metal? No.

judas priest were game changers with albums like Sad wings, British Steel, Screaming for vengeance ect.
 

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[Budred] Thursday, March 14, 2013 12:00:53 PM 
...just saw the comment about me seeing Ghost. 
That's funny because I'll be seeing them in May @ Rock On The Range in Columbus Ohio.
If we're talking about the same Ghost. They are going by Ghost(B.C.).(some legal sh#t over the name).
Same band or not???

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[Stained_White_Trash] Thursday, March 14, 2013 10:27:32 AM 
 Justin Bieber could bring in the so called 24,000 screaming fans if he agreed to just drive by the Harpo's in Detroit.  sad   

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[Budred] Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:35:40 AM 
J.D.. I did listen to some of that CD. It's an hour and fifteen minutes long and I'll be honest I didn't want to spend that much time in front of the computer.
I did listen to the first 25 minutes so I would feel as though I could give an accurate assessment of what I thought.
First off I'll say that it was interesting enough that I will go back and listen to more of it. I can't give it a toally positive review but I won't say anything negative.
I thought the vocalist could be a little better. I liked his voice at times but overall I didn't think he was that great. There was some really good musicianship
in the guitar playing and I thought they were blending the whole metal opera thing quite well. Around the ten minute mark it got a little strange on me with the
narration but I liked the instrumental afterwards. "Through The Ring Of Fire" was really cool, pretty heavy. It got a little strange again about half way through
but I like the way they finished it up. This probably isn't the type of music that I would normally listen to but if I was out or they were opening for someone I
could listen to it. Probably not a great review but that's what I got.

I have a question for you. I remember awhile back you posting a Priest tribute band or vocalist that you thought would have been better for priest than Ripper.
I can't remember who it was. James Rivera maybe??  I think he's from your part of the country. If so I have some videos I took that I will post for you. Let me know.

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[Budred] Thursday, March 14, 2013 8:17:00 AM 
That's not quite how I meant that but I really don't want to appear to be bashing Priest and get started with that whole thing again.
Stained ... is going back and forth and I don't think he even knows what his own gripe is. I figured I would post because
I think he's criticizing and or telling people how they should or shouldn't feel about Priest and what they should or shouldn't
say about Priest and I believe you should have the right to feel and  say whatever you want to about them negative or positive if
you believe it is warranted. Coming here just to trash them with no real basis maybe not but otherwise say what you feel.
He tried to entice me with the Slipknot/otherband comment and mentioned how trivial they are. My point is that trivial to him may
not be trivial to others as evidenced by the crowds. I never said in the past or now that any of these bands were ever better than
or more important or more innovative or more anything than Priest was. I only say repeatedly that I like modern metal and many forms
of it and if Priest can't put out something of quality then I'm OK with it because I can handle and enjoy what's out there.
Any comments I make about their age or their not being able to do what they did is not me trying to bash them either it is a fact of life.
I still am holding out hope that they can deliver a quality Priest beast and I will purchase whatever they release with those hopes in mind
but I don't think about it too much because of how long they have been claiming to have been working on it. If it comes out great, if not I don't care.
I'm tired of waiting.


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[J.D. DIAMOND] Thursday, March 14, 2013 7:22:03 AM 
White trash, if you want one more band besides the innovative Saxon, check out the swedish primitive styled heavy metal band "Ghost". They arrived on the scene in 2010,put out thier masterpiece debut "Opus Eponymous" in 2011 and now have thier sophmore lp "Infestissum" out in 2weeks which is also another master piece. This is metal with 70s influences,this is Not an alternative band,they obviously have a huge early 80s Mercyful Fate influence as well,a band Im quite shocked Budred hasnt seen live.

Budred,you and Guido seem to check out metal albums and listen to alot of music,check out Virgin Steele "The House Of Atreus Act 1" (1999) there are 22 tracks and only 2 are dull...#12 & 21 the other 20 are excellent. Singer David Defeis plays all piano,keyboards....its the only "metal opera" I like,its about the destruction of Troy (Greece)...song writting is brilliant.
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