| [Cooper Ryback] Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:55:01 PM | |
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Spews back nonsense? Please explain my friend. I'm just an ordinary guy expressing his humble opinion.........waite.... are you one of those colsed minded fans or are you just jealous of me and J.D.??
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:40:07 PM)| |  | guidogodoy wrote: | | "Refreshing" because it spews back the nonsense you have been posting here for years? Good GRAVY, man. We said that we are still trying to hook that date with Ripper up for you! AAARGH!
| | | Numero Uno wrote: | | WOW!! What a refreshing post!
I think the Ripper era is fascinating. The way they found this guy in a tribute band, flew him over for an audition and got the job after singing one line of victum. Just listen how this guy nails it on Live In London! The Ripper era is so underated its pathetic. Too many closed minded fans out there that just never gave it a chance and never will. And the thing that gets me is that Rob Halford left the band (as far as I know) hanging and seems like a lot fans take it out on Ripper Owens just because he replaced the guy that walked out on Priest.  You're right about the production on Jugulator, its not that great but still a great album and Demoliton takes some getting use to but its heavy. I wish they would have recorded at least on more cd with Ripper that had a more traditional Priest sound. That would have been awesome.
And yes I still have a big crush Tim Owens and J.D. Diamond.....
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| [guidogodoy] Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:40:07 PM | |
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"Refreshing" because it spews back the nonsense you have been posting here for years? Good GRAVY, man. We said that we are still trying to hook that date with Ripper up for you! AAARGH!
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Numero Uno from Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:23:15 PM)| | | Numero Uno wrote: | | WOW!! What a refreshing post!
I think the Ripper era is fascinating. The way they found this guy in a tribute band, flew him over for an audition and got the job after singing one line of victum. Just listen how this guy nails it on Live In London! The Ripper era is so underated its pathetic. Too many closed minded fans out there that just never gave it a chance and never will. And the thing that gets me is that Rob Halford left the band (as far as I know) hanging and seems like a lot fans take it out on Ripper Owens just because he replaced the guy that walked out on Priest. You're right about the production on Jugulator, its not that great but still a great album and Demoliton takes some getting use to but its heavy. I wish they would have recorded at least on more cd with Ripper that had a more traditional Priest sound. That would have been awesome.
And yes I still have a big crush Tim Owens and J.D. Diamond.....
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| [Cooper Ryback] Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:23:15 PM | |
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WOW!! What a refreshing post!
I think the Ripper era is fascinating. The way they found this guy in a tribute band, flew him over for an audition and got the job after singing one line of victum. Just listen how this guy nails it on Live In London! The Ripper era is so underated its pathetic. Too many closed minded fans out there that just never gave it a chance and never will. And the thing that gets me is that Rob Halford left the band (as far as I know) hanging and seems like a lot fans take it out on Ripper Owens just because he replaced the guy that walked out on Priest. You're right about the production on Jugulator, its not that great but still a great album and Demoliton takes some getting use to but its heavy. I wish they would have recorded at least on more cd with Ripper that had a more traditional Priest sound. That would have been awesome.
And yes I still have a big crush Tim Owens and J.D. Diamond.....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:44:12 AM) |
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| [Budred] Sunday, January 31, 2010 2:24:39 PM | |
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 Well said.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by spapad from Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:39:34 PM)| | | spapad wrote: | | My opinion is that while Priest are the greatest, they somehow missed the "cult of personality" in the late 80's when they put out Turbo. Not too many years later they were stuggling to find a new frontman. That really hurt them. I Think they have done really well considering some of the somewhat disasters during their carreer. They will live on long after they retire as a classic, if not founding, influence to Heavy Metal. Edited at: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:40:07 PM
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My opinion is that while Priest are the greatest, they somehow missed the "cult of personality" in the late 80's when they put out Turbo. Not too many years later they were stuggling to find a new frontman. That really hurt them. I Think they have done really well considering some of the somewhat disasters during their carreer. They will live on long after they retire as a classic, if not founding, influence to Heavy Metal. Edited at: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:40:07 PM
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:20:51 PM | |
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Yes
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29:15 PM)| | | Budred wrote: | | Rightful place/deseve more?
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes
| | | Budred wrote: | |  Hmmm...
Just wondering. Did you ever think about whether Priest has achieved the kind of success
that they deserve. They have sold millions of records and still draw large crowds to their shows.
They still have a career some 40 years later. Unheard of in the music world except for a select few.
They are getting closer to the end. Do you think they hold their respective position among the
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| [Head banger] Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:12:48 PM | |
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no. but it is what it is. I think they should have outsold maiden..... but....
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:12:30 PM)| | | Budred wrote: | | Hmmm...
Just wondering. Did you ever think about whether Priest has achieved the kind of success
that they deserve. They have sold millions of records and still draw large crowds to their shows.
They still have a career some 40 years later. Unheard of in the music world except for a select few.
They are getting closer to the end. Do you think they hold their respective position among the
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| [Budred] Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29:15 PM | |
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Rightful place/deseve more?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Deep Freeze from Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:20:08 PM)| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Yes
| | | Budred wrote: | | Hmmm...
Just wondering. Did you ever think about whether Priest has achieved the kind of success
that they deserve. They have sold millions of records and still draw large crowds to their shows.
They still have a career some 40 years later. Unheard of in the music world except for a select few.
They are getting closer to the end. Do you think they hold their respective position among the
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| [Deep Freeze] Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:20:08 PM | |
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Yes
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Budred from Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:12:30 PM)| | | Budred wrote: | | Hmmm...
Just wondering. Did you ever think about whether Priest has achieved the kind of success
that they deserve. They have sold millions of records and still draw large crowds to their shows.
They still have a career some 40 years later. Unheard of in the music world except for a select few.
They are getting closer to the end. Do you think they hold their respective position among the
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| [Budred] Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:12:30 PM | |
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Hmmm...
Just wondering. Did you ever think about whether Priest has achieved the kind of success
that they deserve. They have sold millions of records and still draw large crowds to their shows.
They still have a career some 40 years later. Unheard of in the music world except for a select few.
They are getting closer to the end. Do you think they hold their respective position among the
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| [Budred] Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:44:12 AM | |
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The great thing about this is that it's just opinion. Everyone has one and they only matter to them.
I surely do not want to argue anyone's point(pro or con). All I know is that I love Judas Priest and
was dying to hear something from them. Their breakup crushed me. When I heard Jugulator I was
quite disappointed. After giving it a chance it was my opinion that it wasn't the music as much
as the production.(poor sound quality) I went to see them live and it sounded as bad as the album. I
was starting to think this was the end of Priest. When they released Demolition I bought it out of
support for the band. After giving it a listen the first thing I noticed was much better production. After
several listens I started liking it. I think it's pretty heavy. It may be a little different for Priest but that's
the great thing about Priest. Ever evolving, always different each time out. When I saw them live Ripper
fit in so much better than the first time. I ended up seeing them four times on that tour. Pittsburgh, Akron,
Cleveland, and Columbus. I took friends who had never seen Priest and they loved it. Also just watching
the crowd response(and size) made me feel pretty good. Was it Halford Priest? Of course not. But it was
still the Priest. Scott still pounding the drums, K.K. and Glenn still shredding the guitars, Ian was still
the backbone. And Ripper did just fine on vocals. Buy Live in London and listen to him do Diamonds and
Rust. It may rival Rob's version. I am much happier with Rob in the band but I was equally as glad to just
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| [Head banger] Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:24:48 PM | |
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your right, its about making music and money. but the spin off was keeping the name out there.
my thoughts on aerosmith is they should have never formed to begin with. but I have no problem with Van hagar. hell the band is named for Eddie. (bands named after one or 2 members annoy me just on principle though, its a colaboration of all the members)
My thought is the name should lie with the majority of members. GNR, they are dead. Axle does ok on the current tour, but its not GNR with 8 guys on stage, and only one was around when they did Apetite.
Black sabath now is different, as they have had more people thru the band than most concert halls have had thru the front door.
your right, many fans left and came back on board when Rob came back. just imagine what would have happened if they had put our AOR in 1993/4?
Ratt??? think they can sell now? mind you they were never at the level JP was at.
Have you heard Ripper with Chared walls of the damned?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:16:13 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | So your thoughts about Aeorsmith? Van Hagar? IMO, it has nothing with keeping their name out there rather they wanted to keep making music (and money). I, for one of many, also think Van Hagar should have changed the name when DLR left. It was NOT the same band. Same will be with Aeorsmith and a number of others that I could mention.
I know of not a single friend that was a JP fan that followed the Ripper era. It was only when Halford re-emerged that we (well, I who inspired friends) all started to jump back on the JP wagon. Ratt is coming back together, Deep Purple after X years in the Perfect Strangers tour. Think THAT had to do with name recognition? Van Halen was a sold out concert last tour. Hagar hates them and Michael A. left. Still, no effect.
The music stands on its own. Halford was a vital part of the band. Same as the above bands I mentioned. Remember that you are talking to a DIEHARD JP fan here. I have quit jobs to follow them for complete seasons. Just never into the Ripper era, I guess....to me, it will never be Priest.
(sadly, same goes for my feelings of Ripper in Iced Earth. Great singer but just has not found his proper outlet)
| | | Head banger wrote: | | might have. then again if the name JP disapeared for 14 odd years and then resurfaced they would need a beter publicity machine to get onto any kind of tour. How anvil managed anything is beyond me.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I argue that it lost many more.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.
the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans. dunno.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback.
Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
PEACE!
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| [J.D. DIAMOND] Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:32:13 PM | |
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In 1997 when Jugulator was released,I didn't know of any friends that were JP fans that followed the Ripper era either Guido.I knew Jugulator was coming out about 8 months before it hit the shelves and I actually like the Jugulator album,its not as good as Rob singing of course,but I thought it had a few good tracks on it,the 3 I don't like are Death Row,Burn In Hell and Abductors.The rest is tollerable. It may not be "Priest" but it was an ok heavy metal record.
The album I HATE is Demolition.YUK.
Or Iced Earth,thier first 2 albums are classics and I would recomend any heavy metal fan to buy Iced Earth debut,and Night Of The Storm Rider....both classic LPs and GREAT heavy metal music,but every single album after the first 2 just went off the map for me including Ripper Owens,he just didn't fit but its not his fault,the music in Iced Earth changed after the first 2 albums.
Had they kept the style of those first 2 albums then Ripper could of fit in there,but the albums that he sings on is too symphonic and epic...Iced Earth switched over to a style like Blind Guardian,Gamma Ray and Hammerfall,ridiculously too epic and too symphonic...just a mess.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:16:13 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | So your thoughts about Aeorsmith? Van Hagar? IMO, it has nothing with keeping their name out there rather they wanted to keep making music (and money). I, for one of many, also think Van Hagar should have changed the name when DLR left. It was NOT the same band. Same will be with Aeorsmith and a number of others that I could mention.
I know of not a single friend that was a JP fan that followed the Ripper era. It was only when Halford re-emerged that we (well, I who inspired friends) all started to jump back on the JP wagon. Ratt is coming back together, Deep Purple after X years in the Perfect Strangers tour. Think THAT had to do with name recognition? Van Halen was a sold out concert last tour. Hagar hates them and Michael A. left. Still, no effect.
The music stands on its own. Halford was a vital part of the band. Same as the above bands I mentioned. Remember that you are talking to a DIEHARD JP fan here. I have quit jobs to follow them for complete seasons. Just never into the Ripper era, I guess....to me, it will never be Priest.
(sadly, same goes for my feelings of Ripper in Iced Earth. Great singer but just has not found his proper outlet)
| | | Head banger wrote: | | might have. then again if the name JP disapeared for 14 odd years and then resurfaced they would need a beter publicity machine to get onto any kind of tour. How anvil managed anything is beyond me.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I argue that it lost many more.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.
the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans. dunno.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback.
Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
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So your thoughts about Aeorsmith? Van Hagar? IMO, it has nothing with keeping their name out there rather they wanted to keep making music (and money). I, for one of many, also think Van Hagar should have changed the name when DLR left. It was NOT the same band. Same will be with Aeorsmith and a number of others that I could mention.
I know of not a single friend that was a JP fan that followed the Ripper era. It was only when Halford re-emerged that we (well, I who inspired friends) all started to jump back on the JP wagon. Ratt is coming back together, Deep Purple after X years in the Perfect Strangers tour. Think THAT had to do with name recognition? Van Halen was a sold out concert last tour. Hagar hates them and Michael A. left. Still, no effect.
The music stands on its own. Halford was a vital part of the band. Same as the above bands I mentioned. Remember that you are talking to a DIEHARD JP fan here. I have quit jobs to follow them for complete seasons. Just never into the Ripper era, I guess....to me, it will never be Priest.
(sadly, same goes for my feelings of Ripper in Iced Earth. Great singer but just has not found his proper outlet)
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:22:38 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | might have. then again if the name JP disapeared for 14 odd years and then resurfaced they would need a beter publicity machine to get onto any kind of tour. How anvil managed anything is beyond me.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I argue that it lost many more.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.
the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans. dunno.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback.
Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
PEACE!
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| [Head banger] Saturday, January 30, 2010 2:22:38 PM | |
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might have. then again if the name JP disapeared for 14 odd years and then resurfaced they would need a beter publicity machine to get onto any kind of tour. How anvil managed anything is beyond me.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:22:18 PM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | I argue that it lost many more.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.
the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans. dunno.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback.
Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
PEACE!
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| [guidogodoy] Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:22:18 PM | |
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I argue that it lost many more.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:08:55 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.
the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans. dunno.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback.
Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
PEACE!
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:17:48 PM | |
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Good point. It did grab a lot of fans. Still does, as evidenced by our pal "Numero Uno". It is not "bad" music at all. It is very good. It is just not what I look for in PRIEST music. It sounds like another band to me, that's all.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:08:55 PM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.
the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans. dunno.
| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback.
Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
PEACE!
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| [Head banger] Saturday, January 30, 2010 12:08:55 PM | |
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yes its conjecture, I havent got my time machine perfected yet to be able to play out multiple scenarios yet.
the music may be different, but it grabed a few new fans. dunno.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:22:15 AM)| | | guidogodoy wrote: | | That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback.
Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.
| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
PEACE!
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| [guidogodoy] Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:22:15 AM | |
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That is pure conjecture. They certainly could have mounted a comeback.
Neither here nor there, really. I just didn't like either album. NOT Priest, as far as I was concerned. "Halford," on the other hand, was something that shook me to my soul.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:11:18 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
PEACE!
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| [Deep Freeze] Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:19:25 AM | |
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You may very well be right, HB. I don't know. I mean, there are bands that have "faded away" from the spotlight and yet managed to mount a comeback. I don't blame Priest for continuing without Rob. Like I said, they did what they had to do to remain active. My point is, the music was NOT Priest. Not for me.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:11:18 AM)| | | Head banger wrote: | | the style and such was different, but without hiring a singer, the band would have died. Priest could not have been dead for 10+ years and mounted any kind of comeback.
| | | Deep Freeze wrote: | | Well said, indeed...HOWEVER, I beg to differ. Allow me;
While I do understand that the Band wanted to continue, play, compose, make a living, etc.....I do not agree that the music was "true" or "classic" Priest. Now, I don't blame Owens for that. I mean, as you said, he was just an employee. A singer-for-hire, if you will (as far as WE know). My problem lies with the musical direction. As I have said before, I do not think it was anything like the classic, melodic Priest which we all so know and love.
Yes, the sound was "heavy". In fact, it was far TOO heavy for me. Much more like a contemporary Metal sound than an "old school" sound. As for seeing them live, my wife (at the time) worked security for a show here at the Hard Rock in Vegas and she said that it was like "watching a Priest Cover Band." It did not have the same look, feel or sound of Priest.
I do not like Jugulator or Demolition. I have a few of the songs (through the Metalogy set) and I do not care for them at all. I have heard all the others and I feel the same way. Are they well done? Sure. Are they "heavy"? Absolutely. Are they true Priest? I do not think so. They lack the classic melody that I look for in a Priest song. I have nothing against Owens. He is a great vocalist and has done well for himself since. I do not "criticize" him, as he was just singing. I was not there when he was hired, nor was I involved with the Band on an intimate level so I have NO idea what they said to him or made him do. I believe all of that is conjecture.
When I compare AoR to Demolition or Jugulator, there is no comparison..for me. None. There is no comparison to ANY Priest album and those two. They were a completely different band, as far as I am concerned and AoR proves my point. All it took was bringing Rob back to find what was missing. How that was done is not important to me. Only that it happened.
| | | Budred wrote: | | Ripper bashing makes me go hmmmm...
Do Priest fans not realize that there was an 8 year gap between albums. They were going nowhere.
Then (THEY) discovered Ripper. Rob wasn't coming back and for us and them they had to do something.
Some seem to think Ripper tried too hard to copy Rob but Priest actually dictated that. They chose his wardrobe,
his singing style and so on. Ripper was an employee of Priest. As far as the musical direction Priest has
always evolved their sound so as not to sound the same each time out. In my mind the only problem with Jugulator
was the production more so than the music. I think they corrected that with Demolition. To me there are some
very heavy songs on that record. Lastly if anyone saw Priest on the Demolition tour(I did 4 times) they were as tight and great
sounding as ever. Ripper kept the Priest going. Praise him don't criticize him. Just my opinion, only matters to me.
PEACE!
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