[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:55:19 AM
Ron, do you own Black Sabbath's Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Paranoid or Sabotage CD's? How about Black Sabbath and Master Of Reality? These are not particularly progressive (save for certain instances), but rather they are dark, foreboding, and have a certain driving power that most bands still try emulating in the 21st century. These are definite proof positive that Black Sabbath of the 70's belongs in the Metal category. Good examples of Prog Rock are King Crimson, Rush, Pink Floyd and Queensryche. Dream Theater too. Aside from heavy riffs and such...these bands have zero in common with Judas Priest and Black Sabbath. It's like trying to compare ZZ Top and the Allman Brothers - the only thing they have in common is that they're from the South. [Show/Hide Quoted Message](Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, January 26, 2009 6:22:52 PM)
Hey there DP...seems we pretty much agree on everything except on Sabbath, and I'm certainly not gonna tell you you're wrong!!! Of all the bands we've been discussing here lately, Sabbath would be the one band I would give a free pass to and here's why...
...when Sabbath came out they had a sound unlike any other and for a reason well documented (fingertips cut off), if it wasn't for that (?fortunate?) accident, who knows what they would have sounded like, who cares, it happend!!...it was dark, dreary, evil sounding music, and it either scared the sh*t out of you or rocked you... but to me it's more about the lyrics for 70's Sabbath that would give them the edge over other bands, not so much what the music sounded like as compared to Metal as we've grown to know it...now Sabbath of the 80's and on are Metal, not what I would consider progressive rock, which I guess is where I put Sabbath and early Priest in, a Hard/Prog Rock category...for me, I believe it was Priest with their British Steel album to be the very first, front to back Heavy Metal album...
DP, I am biased as I'm sure you're very well aware of...if anything, Priest is the band that I measure every other band against, and maybe that's not fair, but it's what works for me...
Okay, I've been listening to Hard Rock and Metal since I was 9, and I've never heard of any band called The Rods. Can someone fill me in on who these guys were?
I reckon Gary Moore to be an excellent blues-rock guitarist who was very influencial for a lot of the 80's guitar heroes. I think someone else pointed that out.
Ron, if you listen to Black Sabbath's first two CD's...Black Sabbath & Paranoid, don't you think those 2 discs instantly DEFINE Sabbath as a Metal band? I agree with your sentiment that Priest started out as Rock but transcended to Metal. I think that change took place with Sad Wings Of Destiny. Zep never was Metal and should not be considered as such. What has Led Zeppelin sung that was ever Metal? The answer: Nothing! Kiss isn't Metal either, though they have made Metal discs (some Heavy Metal, some Pop/Glam Metal), but they are basically a Hard Rock band. There is a fine but distinct line in the sand between Hard Rock and Metal. The evidence of that is rather plain to see I think. Edited at: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:19:16 AM