|[guitardude] Monday, February 16, 2009 7:59:40 PM|| |
|Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush, damn what a flashback that invoked!! I remember sittng in music class in 5th grade and this kid brought in one of Mahogany Rush`s albums to play on our Freebee Friday, what a musical menagerie. I don`t remember these really long guitar solo`s with lot`s of wah pedal!! damn, maybe it wasn`t EVH that got me to pick up the guitar. [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by flashrockinman from Friday, February 06, 2009 9:47:14 PM)
|ok,since all u guys must have fallen asleep at the wheel, lets talk about jimmy page,ronnie montrose,roth,frankie marino. you must have something to say about one of these rockers?
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|[flashrockinman] Monday, February 16, 2009 3:36:02 PM|| |
|dude, what can i say, montrose was ahead of his time. get on your bad motor scooter and ride....................................|
|[Luvers666] Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:02:38 PM|| |
Ronnie Montrose is EXTREMELY underrated, but then again so is Criss Oliva.
Criss is one of those guitarists who nothing can be sad about. His guitar style, tone, sound and structure started a revolution that other guitar players clearly emulated.
|[flashrockinman] Friday, February 06, 2009 9:47:14 PM|| |
|ok,since all u guys must have fallen asleep at the wheel, lets talk about jimmy page,ronnie montrose,roth,frankie marino. you must have something to say about one of these rockers?|
|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 8:19:18 AM|| |
|I only have one Iced Earth CD (Something Wicked). Good stuff.|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by flashrockinman from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:53:52 AM)
|[flashrockinman] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:53:52 AM|| |
|wow, this is what i call feedback, i'm on a classic rock mission it seems with the help of utube. grave digger, iced earth, baron rojo..................... oh, who's baron rojo? a spanish hard rock band that does difficult to cure by rainbow. u have to see it. although sound quality is so so. they call themselves heavy metal. again love to hear the feedback. and your right blackmore is a great guitarist and an ass. |
|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:20:31 AM|| |
I'm sorry if I came across as annoyed, Ron. I didn't understand that particular comment, that's all. My apologies.
Amazon.com is my friend, as it's the best place to go find new and old cd's outside of eBay IMO.
JPJ goes, I don't think he wanted to get back into the thick of playing gigs again. He makes a decent living as a producer now from what I last read.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:15:59 AM)
|[ron h] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 5:15:59 AM|| |
|I don't mean to raise your ire DP, Whitesnake did make 'some' really good music, but in doing so I think they could have been 'great'...One thing I have a hard time with is 'my perception' that Coverdale was trying too hard to be Plant...though I think the Coverdale/Page colaboration did a lot to get Plant back in the mix (albeit leaving JP Jones out!!)...all in all , a lot of money, a lot of girls (though Tawny bit him in the ass in the end), no need to be great...I haven't heard any newer Snake in a long time, and I would check it out (out of curiosity, if you insist)...|
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|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:55:32 AM|| |
|I love Whitesnake! Define how they should get "serious" though? Considering their last disc Good To Be Bad is really nice and fun to listen too. |
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:39:37 AM)
|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:53:29 AM|| |
|The only song on Machine Head that can even be considered Metal is Highway Star. Machine Head is a damned fine Hard Rock album. Period. Blackmore is a fucking guitar genius, but a huge asshole imo.|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:32:24 AM)
|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:51:42 AM|| |
|Manowar is pretty good. They take awhile to grow on you though. It's a shame they don't any airplay, but that's the commonwealth of Pennsylvania for you.|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by flashrockinman from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:36:09 PM)
|[ron h] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:39:37 AM|| |
|David Coverdale, you can't argue with his pipes!! When I first heard Whitesnake, I thought they were a modern day rip-off of Zep...I think they were good enough, if they ever decided to get serious, to be a really good band, but like many other 'potentials' before and since, they will be known for what they were, another band who capitalized on the backs of others!!|
...I saw King Diamond once on his 'Them' tour, would have loved to have seen 'Abigail'...I personally think he was under rated, but you either like his music or you don't, there's no middle ground with him...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by flashrockinman from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:36:09 PM)
|[ron h] Wednesday, January 28, 2009 4:32:24 AM|| |
|If I was gonna give a class on the history of Metal, Machine Head would be mandatory listening!!! Maybe that is one of the reasons I posted Richie Blackmore as the greatest guitarist of all time...do I think so because of his actual playing?? Perhaps in part, but his (and the band's) influence is truly great!!|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Darth_Painkiller_0870 from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:26:02 AM)
|[flashrockinman] Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:36:09 PM|| |
|which brings up the band white snake . he's got the voice. deep purple stormbringer is a classic. of course i'm talking about coverdale. but white snake to me is a chick hard rock band. not metal. deep purple to me are the founders of hard rock. you metioned machinehead. that album started it all. sooooooooo many good tracks on that ablum still played on the radio today.|
so many people talk about man of war. they don't get any air play. but there are people out there that swear that the band is the greatest metal band blah blah blah................ so i bought an album hoping to be blown away. sorry wasn't that impressed. it looked like a cartoon of four guys dressed as worriors on the cover in a row. a couple tracks where alright but, not what i was expecting. king diamond's band to me was much better melissa. but nobody mentions them
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|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:26:02 AM|| |
|After Machine Head, Perfect Strangers is my favorite DP album (studio-wise). It's difficult to find some of the other studio stuff from the Purple other than compilations though.|
And that the time, kicking Ozzy out of Sabbath made sense. But Sabbath isn't that good with Ian Gillian or Kevin Martin on vocals. No offense to them b/c they have great voices, but Ozzy & Dio are in a separate class. They are metal vocalists, while Ian's fits best with DP's style of hard rock, and Kevin Martin...
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:05:46 AM)
|[ron h] Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:05:46 AM|| |
|I hate to say it, but I think kicking Ozzy out was the best thing for all...Sabbath became an even bigger monster and Ozzy's '80 release catapaulted him into a new dimension as well (thanks in part to Randy Rhodes, thanks Quiet Riot!!)...Maidens debut was awesome as well, but still a couple of years away from the machine they became!! Heaven and Hell is one of my favorite albums to date, it is timeless in my minds eye!!!!! What do you think of Deep Purples '84 release of 'Perfect Strangers'?? To me, it's another great album!!!|
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|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:37:15 AM|| |
Sabbath's Technical Ectasy was a disaster. They won't play anything off that album. Never Say Die ('78 - Ozzy's last disc with Sabbath) is really good IMO. Never Say Die! itself is a rather uplifting track. The band went and found Dio and put out the classic Heaven & Hell CD - which I think is just as hard and heavy as British Steel and Maiden's debut in 80. Kiss got sucked into the disco scene and put out Dynasty and Unmasked. I will give Kiss points for trying to do a concept album. I think that while Music From "The Elder" could've been a lot better, it's also where Kiss expanded their sound from Hard Rock and made their brief transition to Metal.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:14:50 AM)
|[ron h] Tuesday, January 27, 2009 4:14:50 AM|| |
|In retrospect probably not, but at the time I think the term 'Acid Rock' would fit?? That's a term you don't hear much these days but was thrown around regularly at the time...again, the lines have blurred through time and I certainly can't argue (and won't) that Sabbath isn't Metal, because they are, I just don't think they started out as what I would call Metal today...|
...Metal, as a genre, encompasses all forms of Metal...the Godfathers of Metal would be Sabbath as they were the influence of the Metal Gods themselves, and even though we agree that Zep is not Metal, you can hear their influence in some of Priests early music as well, but they were never Metal, whereas Sabbath, the Dio years, picked up on the musical style of Metal...
...Paranoid, Sweet Leaf, Iron Man and many others definately were the standards at the time, nothing compared to 'em...but the genre was just beginning and throughout most of the 70's Hard Rock picked up steam and that is where it stayed...then Punk made a splash and then Disco came on the scene...where was Sabbath? Zep? Kiss? Maiden wasn't even born yet!!...
...Then came along a little old album called British Steel, gee, what happened next??...
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|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:55:19 AM|| |
|Ron, do you own Black Sabbath's Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Paranoid or Sabotage CD's? How about Black Sabbath and Master Of Reality? These are not particularly progressive (save for certain instances), but rather they are dark, foreboding, and have a certain driving power that most bands still try emulating in the 21st century. These are definite proof positive that Black Sabbath of the 70's belongs in the Metal category. Good examples of Prog Rock are King Crimson, Rush, Pink Floyd and Queensryche. Dream Theater too. Aside from heavy riffs and such...these bands have zero in common with Judas Priest and Black Sabbath. It's like trying to compare ZZ Top and the Allman Brothers - the only thing they have in common is that they're from the South.|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by ronhartsell from Monday, January 26, 2009 6:22:52 PM)
|[Return_of_Darth_Painkiller_0870] Tuesday, January 27, 2009 3:44:38 AM|| |
|I agree flash. But Rush has always been a progressive-sounding band. Look at them from a purely lyrical aspect. Alot of their lyrics are centered around unusual themes (like Sabbath, King Crimson and a host of others). However, I lost interest in Rush after the 2112 album. Most of their songs were too weird and I couldn't relate to a lot of it anyway (seriously, who gives a crap about Bastille Day other than the French?). I only own Rush's Retrospective 1974-80 because of this. One of my co-workers lent me their last studio recording, and it was nothing I could really get into from a lyrical standpoint. Whereas, I could relate to a lot of Black Sabbath's music - regardless of who's on vocals. Sabbath's music is just more interesting and powerful.|
Ron, Sabbath absolutely terrified me when I bought Paranoid and listened to Planet Caravan. That song gave me nightmares for a week when I was a teen! I stopped buying their other stuff until I heard Changes and Black Sabbath on Ozzy's Live & Loud CD. From there, I guess you can say my journey towards the dark side had begun?
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by flashrockinman from Monday, January 26, 2009 10:36:36 PM)