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[Steve Clark is God] Monday, June 23, 2008 10:05:59 PM 
I listened to the whole album today.And it's prety good.I wanna hear it again.
[Deep Freeze] Monday, June 23, 2008 6:44:15 PM 
By the by Justin, it is wonderful to see so much of you here today!
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[alecs56] Monday, June 23, 2008 6:33:26 PM 
with out a doubt the very best
[Deep Freeze] Monday, June 23, 2008 6:18:00 PM 

HA!!!!!!!! I rank myself among those aforementioned fans that do not care for Turbo. Sadly, and perhaps a bit ashamedly, I simply do not like that album. There is a good song or two but, by and large, I just never got into it.

In any event, you are absolutely right about risk.  A true artist marches to his own beat. At the same time, he knows what his fans want. With Priest, I believe that they are well aware of what the true fan wants in an album but I also believe that they have come to a point in their careers where it is not so much about mass marketing as it is expression. And risk.


  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, June 23, 2008 6:07:35 PM)
[Justin Kenny] Monday, June 23, 2008 6:07:35 PM used the word that had eluded me....RISK.    And what heavy metal band could pull off a risk any better than Judas Priest!?     Praise you for conjuring it...for that is exactly the factor that Judas Priest have utilized (however intentional or not) when it came to making ANY album that now graces their repertoire.

I remember vividly...the very banter that was tossed about back in 1986 when Priest released  "Turbo."   It's interesting to see just how many fans who couldn't stand the album upon first listen that now have a more relenting attitude and a better scope of understanding of what the album was trying to do all these years later.    That's not to say there aren't still a contingent of fans that wish Priest never released  "Turbo,"   but that RISK....that almighty leap of faith to take a step OFF the beaten path and try something new...something DIFFERENT...THAT my friends is the true mark of ANY artist...I don't care what art they create.    Is it all still subject to personal opinion?    Of course...and Judas Priest (like any other artist before them) have taken their share of "lumps"  with an incredible degree of grace...forging ahead, consequences be damned;  a factor (among a myriad others) of the very admiration and respect and devotion I still have to this band!!     They exhibited and STILL deliver the very kind of art I myself can only DREAM about....through them (vicariously or not),  I see and hear that which I could not bring forth.

GOD, I can't wait 'til I can buy "Nostradamus"  for myself!!!

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[Deep Freeze] Monday, June 23, 2008 5:31:56 PM 
Ah Justin! As usual, well thought out and well written. Very well done, my friend. I have mentioned the very same thing in previous posts. I was not expecting Painkiller II or British Steel Redux and so I am not the least bit disappointed.

This album is a departure. It was meant as such from the beginning and it succeeds. I cannot really recall a "concept" album that was not at least somewhat different from a band's usual effort. Sure, The Wall is clearly Pink Floyd and Operation Mindcrime is classic Queensryche, but Nostradamus was never going to be a typical Priest endeavor. Apart from the obvious attention to detail that one would expect from Judas Priest, this album takes the Band in a new direction. It is not the least bit "Spinal Tap", as has been suggested. It is a work of complex nature and a huge risk.
The fact is, I would have been very upset with a Screaming for Vegeance sequel. I truly expected something very different and that is what I got. Honestly, I expected grief from some as well. It is not surprising. One of the many reasons I love this Band is that they have guts. They are incredibly talented and I believe they could pull off just about anything, musically. This album is a winner for me. I do not even need all the fancy packaging and booklets and whatnot. It stands on its own and that works for me quite nicely, thank you.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Justin Kenny from Monday, June 23, 2008 11:58:42 AM)
[miked0817] Monday, June 23, 2008 1:44:59 PM 

The new album is just as priest said if you read the inside book  . It's and extention of priest and their years as a band and as a fan for years I can understand their side and the album is fantastic.

[Justin Kenny] Monday, June 23, 2008 11:58:42 AM 

Well....speaking as one who has heard all of 3 tracks thus far from  "NOSTRADAMUS,"   what I'm about to address here is really a response  (and albeit, an impartial one) to some of the negative criticisms I've stumbled across between here and the HALFORD QUORUM.

I've been abundantly aware of the fact that Judas Priest are the type of band that strives to do something different with each and every new output of music they create.     The only two albums they've made that share any real similarities (in a back-to-back sense)  are   "Screaming For Vengeance"   and  "Defenders Of The Faith."     Even for having said that, the production of both albums are even different,  and the latter album seems more ethereal somehow;  "Rock Hard, Ride Free,"   and  "The Sentinel"   seem to have a different resonance and atmosphere.

There's no question about it folks....when presented with the idea of making a conceptualized piece about a REAL individual  (won't find any cybernetic mythology ala  "Painkiller,"   et; al),  the undertaking had to have been massive in scope.     Much has been written and exposed about  Nostradamus' life and his works,   and Judas Priest clearly had it in mind to pay homage to his LIFE and the very tragic undertones that he'd experienced.      Some have argued that a conceptual album about some of the quatrains of his most celebrated and infamous of prophecies would've been more appropo....I'm prone to disagree with this.     Judas Priest took the right path in telling about this man's life and times....his pains and his woes....from the time he was aware he had this 'gift,'   to being exiled from France to avoid any further charges of heresy...the loss of his wife and child....I mean, talk about a challenging life!

When confronted with the issue that Priest dropped the ball musically/lyrically (as I've seen discussed at times)...I sometimes think that some of those who've stated such things really didn't think this effort through upon listening to it.     Nostradamus, after all...lived in the 16th century.     Metal music (quite obviously) didn't exist way back when...and in terms of tackling the issues of his life,  Priest were clearly sensitive to what they learned, and thought long and hard as to how to convey those emotions both musically and lyrically.      Whether or not you think the lyrics contained on  "NOSTRADAMUS"   are indicative of the genius exhibited on albums like  "Sin After Sin"    or    "Stained Class"   is frankly....irrelevant.       This is clearly an album meant to be well as heard.    Thematically, after all...we are dealing with the story of a real man!!       Is it any wonder then that even Priest themselves have encouraged us to give this effort a FEW listens??     It surely WASN'T because they question the judgment of having gone through with this effort...nor is it because they doubt whether or not what they created was any good  (yes...these summations have been brooded about by some fans...ffs),  'cuz let's face facts....if they had any problem with the final STILL wouldn't have been released.

Sure it's's SUPPOSED to be.     I for one would never have found Judas Priest to be as consistently interesting as I've known them to be for the last 28 years if all they did was  "British Steel"    or   "Screaming For Vengeance"   over and over and over and over and over and over again!!!        There are emotions and sweeping cross-sections of a man's psyche that's being talked about on this effort.      Consider this much before making any real determined judgment.

Edited at: Monday, June 23, 2008 12:07:00 PM
[j_mags24] Monday, June 23, 2008 11:35:29 AM 
I was just thinking, I love Nostradamus, but wouldn't it have been more interesting if Priest did a concept album about the characters from their songs? A concept album tying together The Sentinel, The Ripper, The Painkiller, etc and creating new creatures. I know they kind of referenced them in songs from AOR, but a full on album about them may have been more interesting than one about Nostradamus's life...Just a thought. :D
[Great White] Monday, June 23, 2008 11:17:51 AM 
I know I'll probably be knocked down for putting the new CD down, but I have to voice my opinion.  I was never really a big fan of concept albums and I approached this one with hesitation.  It isn't bad, but it certainly isn't JP's best work, but it isn't they're worst, I must say they took a gamble making it.  I only hope they don't take the same direction on the next CD.  Still I can hardly wait for the tour to come 'round.
[JUDAS0922] Monday, June 23, 2008 8:14:38 AM 
[mgdman] Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:52:46 PM 
This will be another recording that Priest has released that will define them as the GREATEST Metal Band ever! True it is different but that is what makes it great. Bands that put the same music out over and over are not around long or lose fans to "new" sounds from other bands. Take Motley Crue, great band but very predictable in what you will hear from them. This will be a once in a lifetime treat to see this whole CD performed live. Can't wait to hear a few on the Metal Masters tour!
[zudatron] Sunday, June 22, 2008 9:46:09 PM 
It's amazing.  The more I listen the better it gets.  I've probably heard the whole thing 10 times now.  How much better will it get!?!?  One of my favorite Priest albums already.  What makes it extra special is how different it is.  I want nothing more than to see them play the whole thing LIVE!
[tri x] Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:26:23 PM 

Its excellent,great range of songs,great packaging,love it.

[angelearl] Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:46:29 AM 
I loved it ! The music and lyrics show so much emotion. You really get a feel for what Nostradamus went through. I know this is not the JP everyone is used to, but I am glad that they ventured off the beaten path to do something like this. It really shows just how talented they truly are.
[Dan Marshall29116] Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:20:33 AM 

old fan....first post......Nostradamus is amazing. I am sure there will much discussion but when you cut through all the shit......It fawking rocks.


[spapad] Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:43:08 AM 
I always thought thats what made Priest so great is with each new release you knew you would be taken in a different direction than the last.  That is the sign of an exceptional band. They have never given us the same thing twice. I think Vengence and Defenders were the closest thing to twins, and they were released relatively close together.   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:25:58 AM)
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[Head banger] Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:25:58 AM 
well said.  priest does not have one signature sound.  thats why they are priest!!!
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[spooner] Sunday, June 22, 2008 10:23:34 AM 
I don't understand why so many people are comparing the new album to previous releases. 

I'm sick of reading people moaning "it doesn't sound like Painkiller" or "it doesn't sound like AOR!"

If you want to listen to those albums then put them on and listen to them or alternatively, if you want to follow a band with the same sound album after album go and listen to Linkin Park or something!

Take the album on it's own merit, the songwriting is fantastic, the production is mint, the imagery and atmosphere are immense - it's like nothing they have attempted before and they have pulledit off in style. I don't think there are many 1hr 40min albums that I can listen to in one sitting without wanting to skip a single track and then at the end feel like I wanna go back to the beginning for another listen.

And as for the "it doesn't sound like Priest" thing - what exactly do priest sound like? Listen to Sin After Sin then Point of Entry then Turbo then Painkiller, do they really sound the same? I don't think so. It does sound like Priest because it is Priest in 2008.
[Sad_Wings86] Sunday, June 22, 2008 7:44:59 AM 
i just use only a word for nostradamus album :masterpiece. there is nothing that i disagree.
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