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[Ninja Dragon] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 7:50:23 PM 
I think this album is so-so. Lots of boring slow songs, which make me lose attention fast, but at the same time lots of great songs. The great songs are some of the greatest pieces of perfection JP ever made. I think they should have made a smaller album only which the good songs, that would have been better. But overall, good album.

But I agree with what bullet said: if there's one thing I absolutely love in priest is that, each album, they are a totally different band. And they are still good. They change style, without changing the quality. They don't try to live in the past, they surprise us with every new album.

If you like the new style or don't, it's a matter of personal taste. But fear not, next album they'll come with a totally different thing, that you may or may not like.
[Mericege] Wednesday, July 02, 2008 5:12:17 AM 
The new album just keeps getting better and better...
[metalmaz] Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:57:29 AM 
Headbanger- the Mugable/Hitler remark wasn't directed as you, the set up of this forum isn't that great, ans doesn't enable you to multi quote in a straight forward manner.
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[Bullet-] Monday, June 30, 2008 8:19:30 PM 
Metalmaz - I have nothing to say about your sense of music.  Your sense of sarcasm is brutal.
[Metal god/Electric eye! [Banned]] Monday, June 30, 2008 7:18:25 PM 

Rock on dude Thats how i feel ilike about 5 tracks,:If that's my destiny than it ought to be so he'll face Future! They will play what we want to hear in concert, I think its what he wants to do next they are not getting any younger!

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[Head banger] Monday, June 30, 2008 5:32:14 PM 

I made no coment on hittler or mugabe.  I think if mugabe could, he might be as bad as hitler, but its the wrong thread.  both are or were shitheads

I dont know if your a casual fan or not, I made a general coment, in reply to someone else.  I observed that there are rabid fans who would say its their best work if rob played the drums, Ian sang, kk played a tamborine...   me, its ok, not great.  Its what they wanted.  thats why I like them.


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[metalmaz] Monday, June 30, 2008 4:21:13 PM 

So because I don't like Nostradamus I'm a casual fan then?

I never said they've "lost their way."  I don't expect them to stay the same. Maiden are making the best music ever 25 years on. So are Megadeth and Saxon. But just becaue I don't stick my nose up Priest's arse and say all their releases are the best music ever , doesn't  mean I don't love them.  And I say the same about many other bands I love such as Maiden, Saxon, Rush etc. They've all released sub standard albums.  And the ones I may think as sub standard, other people like. I respect their beliefs, even if I don't agree with them 

What I was trying to highlight is the idiots who tore into the fans who made negative remarks about Nostradamus. I was talking about them and not Priest fans. But you're not intelligent enought to work that out .

The point about Mugabe (tongue in cheek) was a reaction to the venom of some of the people  who really laid into them. 

However if you think that that Mugabe quip makes me worse than Hitler, you can't think Hitler is that bad?  Have you actually met any Jews or seen some of the programmes about the death camps. Were you dropped on your head as a baby?

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[Drums01] Monday, June 30, 2008 2:05:23 PM 
I have enjoyed every Priest album. Never once disliked a song. Nostradamus in my eyes is a masterpiece. It is epic as hell. I am glad that the Priest took it to a whole new level. Taking it to an "opratic" approach. Priest has always took metal in a new direction but in a good way. Good stuff! 
[Head banger] Monday, June 30, 2008 1:17:02 PM 

I agree.  Thats probably the biggest priest success, and their biggest failure, the variety.  the rabid die hard fan will buy anything they do.  the casual fan, isnt guaranteed to like everything.  someone like me, a "solid" fan, who loves the band, will buy most things they put out, but not everything.
I dont like Rocka rolla.  lots of fans dont like turbo, but to me, the fact that they branch out, grow and evolve is why I like them the most.
they didnt change to folow a trend, or to make money, they changed because they wanted to.

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[Bullet-] Monday, June 30, 2008 12:46:20 PM 
Here's the thing.  Judas Priest has made albums that were a product of what they were experiencing and writing at the time.  Each album is distinctly different from all their previous work.  It can be  frustrating as a fan and some lose interest with the new directions.  I personally didn't like the albums that were written with a specific market in mind (Point of Entry for the US and Turbo for pop metal).  The thing is, they challenge their fans to broaden their thinking on what metal is and where it can go.  People can criticize the  Nostradamus all they like.  I've heard people say it's too long, that it's boring, that the production and sound are sub par.  All of these things are valid for a band whose objective was to sell as many albums as possible.  I'm guessing that all of the objections raised on this board and others were raised inside Epic records before release.  It looks like the band got their way this time because of their success in the past.
So we have Nostradamus, a bold new direction for the band.  Like always, some fans will hate it and some will love it.  The ones who love it will defend it like it was one of their children.  I personally love the album and admire the band for taking a risk where they could have easily churned out another Painkiller or Angel and cashed cheques.  For those that don't like the album, fine, listen to British Steel and lament about how JP has lost its way.  Better yet, go out and buy the album of more "reliable" artists, like ACDC, Def Leppard and Aerosmith.  Just don't think that you are the only person that really knows about the quality of the album.  Mugabe supporters? Anybody that says that about Judas Priest supporters is worse than Hitler.
[T.O.Scotty] Monday, June 30, 2008 12:03:27 PM 


I just finished listening to Nostradamus the first time. I am completely stunned. This is certainly unlike anything Priest has done before.  Its quite cerebal in some places, a far cry from the hard drivin', in your face heavey metal we're used to hearing.  Having said that, I think that it is a very interesting album. Rock opera? Rock Symphony? Heavy metal? It sort of defies catoragization.  Although its slow and plodding in some parts, I think that this is a excellent concept and a truly amazing effort by the band.    

[Vaillant 3.0] Monday, June 30, 2008 12:18:30 AM 
Hi, jprhtrekkie!! Welcome to the Noticeboard!!!!
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[jprhtrekkie] Monday, June 30, 2008 12:14:55 AM 
I am absolutly in love with Nostradamus.

I haven't been able to stop listening to it since I got it off of iTunes.

It is an album like no other that Priest has done in the past.

The song Lost Love has even brought me to tears ( twice )

To me this album is a very visual album, as I can see a whole performance in my head as I listen to Rob move through these songs....He Is Nostradamus
[spapad] Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:05:02 PM 
It's quite OK to not love everything. I would never bang you for it.
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[The Dreamer] Sunday, June 29, 2008 11:01:27 PM 
This will throw the cat amongst the pidgeons: I love Nostradamus but couldnt get into Painkiller (except the scary title track).

Go on, eat me alive if you must.....but surely all this to and fro just says that beauty is in the ear of the listener.
[spapad] Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:39:02 PM 
So true............So true.
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:34:46 PM 
Yeah, that whole "your not a fan" stuff is bullshit.  In all honesty, I didn't think I was going to like it and I ended up diggin' it big time.  There are a couple of tracks that I could do without, but all in all I like it.  That does NOT mean that I'm any bigger or better a fan than anyone else.  If I didn't like it, I'd be saying that.  Immaturity is exactly what it is.  Many of the people who talk so tough were not even born when I started listening to Priest.  I will never officially "ignore" anyone, as I don't believe in doing so, but I won't put much stock in their opinions.  Ass kissing is not an admirable trait in anyone.  I'd much prefer to hear an opinion that disagrees with mine rather than one that is just what I want to hear.
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[Metal god/Electric eye! [Banned]] Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:33:56 PM 

 No words needed!!!!!!!!!!!

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[metalmaz] Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:20:42 PM 
Very true and I knew it wouldn't be British Steel etc. But I just don't think it's worked. I can see what they were getting at, but it is really in need of some serious paring down. Don't get me wrong there are some cracking songs there - but it's padded out with "rock opera" fills. 

I can't believe the venom from the "Priest Stalinists" who are pouring out contempt to forum members who have dared pass a negative opinion. "If you don't like it, you're not a fan" and all that immature bullshit.    
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[TIMBONI] Sunday, June 29, 2008 2:48:01 PM 
It's a tough listen.  You first have to get your head around the whole "concept" idea and listen to it like a story, not a headbanging session.  If you didn't like "Operation Mindcrime", you definitely won't like this.  It's waaaaaaaaaaaaay more heady and requires a lot more from the listener.  The songs on Mindcrime could stand alone.  Some songs on Nostradamus can, but are much better in context.  Some people got into "Tommy" and some didn't.  That didn't mean that any one of them wasn't a Who fan.
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