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[DemonCat] Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:44:13 PM 

I may have suffered the same emotions as you. However, what may have helped you at that time, and in the future, would have been to remember that the members of our beloved Judas Priest are no less human than we are. It was your placing them upon a pedastal that created the nervousness. I know it doesn't help now, but it may in the future, if you ever have another chance. Keep the faith my friend!
What would you have asked them, if I may be so bold?

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:38:21 PM) Edited at: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:45:29 PM
Edited at: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:47:26 PM
[DemonCat] Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:35:45 PM 
It's too easy to turn my back on the world...and moon everyone in it!  However, I thank God that I have Jesus' strength in me to resist! For surely, I find that the "world" finds it easy to turn it's back on me, with the exception of a few who choose to suffer with me. I thank those for their support, friendship, and love! But, that's too easy to do. Truelly...I thank those who turned their backs...It made me turn to God!
Edited at: Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:37:35 PM
[Budred] Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:24:04 AM 
That sucks Hellrider.
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by hellrider 31038 from Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:38:21 PM)
[hellrider 31038] Wednesday, October 05, 2011 11:38:21 PM 

[Mr. Dave Genocide] Monday, October 03, 2011 10:47:15 PM 

Biggest thing pissing me off: STILL no date for Minnesota, at all!!? What the hell is going on!? Not even a Wisconsin show, either... F*ck going to Missouri.. And still not 21, so no Illinois show for me... This sucks!! C'mon Priest, you did 2 shows during your 'British Steel Anniversarry' tour here in MN, give us something now!

[Vaillant 3.0] Monday, October 03, 2011 7:22:12 PM 
Winged termites, winged termites everywhere!!!
[Ears from Outer Space] Sunday, October 02, 2011 11:08:10 PM 
Building products these days are just not what they use to be. I'm tired of going to places like Home Depot and paying good money and the stuff turns out like crap. It's really getting on my nerves big time. They should be held accountable for some of the crap they sell.

[hellrider 31038] Sunday, October 02, 2011 8:49:19 PM
  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Anders Haneskog from Friday, September 16, 2011 10:52:16 AM)
[Nupe The Ripper] Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:37:02 PM 
Thanks, that was an interesting read. For once someone wrote about the matter in a neutral way, instead of accusing either side.

Thanks also for reminding me about the correct technological terms - for a non-native speaker it's not always easy to figure out the correct ones. From now on I won't use "rip" when talking about simple digitizing of analog material.

The addition of this "anti-piracy" system to ISP EULAs is just another example of corporations trampling on human rights to further extend their status and generate even more money to themselves. By doing this they're only making themselves look ridiculous again. Instead of combating the actual crime (the ones who share the files; like I said earlier you can find numerous sources with even a simple Google search), they're attacking the downloaders by severely limiting their privacy. In fact, while in Finland the ISPs aren't (yet) allowed to do that, a recently-passed law now allows for the police to remotelycrack into your computer, bypassing/deactivating any security features on it, if you're even suspected of any sort of crime. Previously that was only allowed in serious crimes and only with a special permission by the attorney.

NTSC v. PAL made sense back in the day when the appliances could only use one format, but nowadays most of them can use both formats. It's current purpose is, like the DVD region codes, only to increase sales.

I also don't believe that piracy is a key factor in Priest releasing compilations. Maybe they have a contrast clause that says "release X amount of albums", and because they're unlikely to release more than a couple of albums worth of new material anymore, they use compilations to fill in. Or then Sony noticed that "hey Judas Priest is getting popular again, why not capitalize on it?".

Edited at: Sunday, October 02, 2011 6:51:28 PM
[guidogodoy] Saturday, October 01, 2011 5:16:35 PM 
Interesting to know about the Finnish copyright laws, Nupe. Like I said, I really couldn't speak about them. I would think that any problems you'd have would come from within Finland, though. Not really what I was describing with the US and Canada being so heavy-handed about file sharing vis a vis the new EULA "voluntarily giving up Constitutional rights" (no other way to phrase it, really, as they aren't laws). While the US and Canada have an open agreement now to turn over any violator, it isn't currently so with most nations. That is why many tapers who are sharing shows will be explicit in saying "don't share this with any other person from, say, Brazil" for example. Piracy or, even worse as you say the SELLING of shows is just too rampant. It IS moving that direction, though. Why people are still allowed to sell downloaded shows on eBay is just beyond me. True scum, as you say.

You still aren't technically "ripping" when you convert a VHS to DVD, though. Like I said, that is more a conversion / transcode by definition as there is no security you are bypassing. You "rip" a movie, for example when you make a copy as you are "ripping" the CSS protection as well as the many devices that prohibit you from fast-forwarding over the previews as I am sure you know.

For the record, when I made my own backup copy of the NTSC version of the VHS, it was for the exact same reason. Didn't want the tape to degrade. I used an external firewire Pinnacle system converter and it turned out very nicely. Especially when I  put in the menus. Curious part? I would not be able to legally share it with you as US / Canada law specifically prohibits me (with a legal version of the tape / legal version of the digitized version of the tape) to share it with you (who also owns a legal version of the tape). Why? NTSC vs. PAL!! Does that suck or what?

Don't get me started on the Region Code Nazi's!!

Want an interesting read? Try Quinn Norton's comments on Pirate Bay in the link below. I love the way she writes. She makes some very interesting points about Sweden and the Netherlands and THEIR laws.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Nupe The Ripper from Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:39:25 PM)
[Nupe The Ripper] Saturday, October 01, 2011 4:39:25 PM 
I originally took that digital copy only for myself as well, but then I thought "it's been out of print for 17 years, the band and the record label are no longer receiving any money from it's sales, and no DVD reissue is in sight (and probably never will)". So, I then decided to upload it. I had previously shared a few out-of-print single B-sides on my site, but when the Single Cuts boxset was announced, I immediately removed them as an official CD release was to be soon available. I would do exactly the same if the Metal Works VHS received a reissue in any form. And no, the Finnish copyright laws aren't any more relaxed than in the USA, but so far I've avoided any trouble.

I love the band and am usually against sharing official material over the internet. If someone puts their whole official discography/videography (that you can easily buy legally from anywhere) on the net (just Google search and you get tons of results), I loathe it. If someone sells bootlegs, I loathe it as well. But if someone shares a release that's been out-of print for over a decade, the band no longer receives any money from it (as all the copies on the market are second-hand) and it isn't receiving a reissue anytime soon, let's just say that I won't feel too bad about it. I did think about putting the VHS-rip on the web for quite a while, but if it offends the other fans too much, I can still remove it. Would only take a couple of minutes, it's a pretty crappy rip anyway...

Oh and J.D. Diamond, I'm not going to buy the Chosen Few, even though I bought the Single Cuts boxset. That compilation offers nothing new to me, unlike the boxset which at least has single B-sides I couldn't have gotten before because of my young age (and lack of funds - old vinyl singles are pretty expensive these days).That's why I haven't bought any Judas Priest compilations at all - I could always make the exact same compilation from the albums I've already bought.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, September 30, 2011 11:02:31 PM)
[guidogodoy] Friday, September 30, 2011 11:41:48 PM 
Shall I start singing "The Outfield" now? LOL!!!! YEAAAAAAH! THERE is the best starting line in all songwriting: "You got me all screwed up!"

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, September 30, 2011 11:08:58 PM)
[Head banger] Friday, September 30, 2011 11:08:58 PM 
are you sugesting my wonderful government is making a fuss over nothing. perhaps trying to look good without doing anything?  a politician?  say it isnt so.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, September 30, 2011 11:02:31 PM)
[guidogodoy] Friday, September 30, 2011 11:02:31 PM 
Like I said, I am with you about the dubious reason as to why Priest is releasing these new "Best of" albums. Certainly isn't because of illegal downloading, to be sure.

The rule that is has been the norm (in both the US and Canada) is that you can legally "transcode" a video / music you legally own. It has always been the case and a major reason as to why the digital media rights mafia hasn't been able to go all that far in either country (they do not just govern one country, they claim to "protect" all intellectual property worldwide). Big problem was CSS - the original "scramble" protection code. THAT was made illegal. They shut down many an international site that either sold or gave away a DE-CSS program (i.e. rip). Odd rule. You could, in theory, own a copy of the same movie or album for personal use on various devices (iPhone, PSP, backup) but it was / is illegal to circumvent the CSS code. Go figger. Look at the debate over Pirate Bay for a good discussion of the subject.

Exactly why a great many movies, albums and games have gone "protection-free." Canada is just now making a show about a law that is already on the books.

Nupe's comment about "ripping" JP's "Metal Works" is a misnomer. He transcoded it from one format to another. I own the NTSC version of it and digitized it years ago. It never had protection, thus, perfectly legal for me to make a backup. NOT legal (in the US...Finland is another case) to share it openly as it is copyrighted material. In certain countries, though. That is why many servers have moved to more "share friendly" countries that are out of reach of current international law.

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Friday, September 30, 2011 10:39:36 PM)
[Head banger] Friday, September 30, 2011 10:39:36 PM 
canada just changed or is planning to change the copyright act to permit any use of a song, as long as you dont have to break a digital lock.  interesting, all this downloading crap is a pain. 

I dont see how priest is making money to replace downloading with more stuff that could easily be downloaded.  we have all these songs, rip them in the right order

  [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by guidogodoy from Friday, September 30, 2011 8:21:54 PM)
[Head banger] Friday, September 30, 2011 10:35:58 PM 
simple, gull wasnt paying them, this is
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[Becks] Friday, September 30, 2011 8:53:34 PM 
For me, the 'issue' of this re-release stuff i.e. single cuts etc is easy - don't want it? don't like it? Then don't buy it, simple.
[spapad] Friday, September 30, 2011 8:47:26 PM 
I just don't really understand any of this rereleasing of so much stuff we all have. Is it for the new generation? Can't they still buy the old catalog of music?
I seem to remember Priest getting upset with Gull for continuing to repackage their old music to an add nauseum degree. So, why is Priest now doing it?

[guidogodoy] Friday, September 30, 2011 8:21:54 PM 
Sorry. Don't buy that argument at all. While there is no doubt that downloading (both legal and illegal) has changed the old school music economic model, you don't exactly go and buy a golf course because you are poor.

It completely flew under the radar of most in the US but there was a recent "major win" by those groups that not only try to stop but actually persecute those who violate the many acts and laws that are out to protect Digital Media Rights.

The freelance writer and consumer advocate for a "fair use" policy, Quinn Norton, recently released a bombshell in the trade rags such as "Wired" and MaxPC magazines. It slipped by in the form of an EULA (end user license agreement) that the big 5 internet providers formed. Basically, with no laws, most have now signed away their rights without knowing it simply by using their internet provider. They track you with even the suspicion of an illegal download and your company "dings" you. A few "dings" and you are forced to go through an online class before you are granted full internet access again. Your acct flagged a second time? Possible ban from use and lawsuits.

This is now going worldwide. Write your Congressman? Nope. No laws have been passed. Just your own ISP's EULA. Good luck to the tech neophytes and, oh yes, the idiot here recently boasting about "Limewire" (Gnutella), Frostwire (same access, dope), and even the torrent clients.

Nope. As you can tell, I don't buy that argument at all. It died with the Shitallica round of lawsuits back in 2006.

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