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[Nikitah Imani] Monday, July 07, 2008 3:40:50 AM 
Greetings, Priest FANS..I emphasize that, since it is apparent that some who identify themselves as such are fairweather friends who are only fans "when" and "if" and under certain conditions.  As a musician (hip-hop) artist, I find this album to be spectacular, not just because it is Priest but because we are in a culture right now that is anti-creativity. Musicians are fashioned and buttonholed to keep doing the same thing. Especially older bands who are invited to rest on their laurels. If anything, this album shows that Priest are still "hungry" for new vista. I especially invite naysayers to go back to Rocka Rolla and Sad Wings and you find the harmonicas, the keyboards, the orchestrated string arrangements and some Priest guitar techniques that even Glenn and KK described as "experiments." These almost all of us hold near and dear to our hearts as the Priest definitive catalog and this was long before the 30 and under crowd discovered Priest in Vengeance. This all looks conspiratorial to me. If Priest does the same thing, they are seen as standing in place. If they change, they are not appealing to the base. Part of this is that a lot of the defining in the mainstream record market is being done by people that were not part of the historical metal culture who only joined it in the commercial period. Priest has never been about commercial, even though from time to time, they had a "hit." I didn't get Point of Entry, but it was Priest and I took it as evolution. Turbo I liked except for the synthesized guitars which were new and again evolution as they were used more effectively as time went on. But the core of the things that made me a Prest fan are present in the new record. History is filled with records like this that were masterpieces that had zero commercial success and then suddenly everybody realized later that something was going on. It's funny to me because I remember Vengeance when YGATC came out and a lot of "true believers" said Priest has sold out. It went triple platinum but took a decade or so to do it. Priest is about artistry. Real metal is about that to. The minute metal or any form of music becomes what the masses are into today, its doomed. I watched my intellectual, socially conscious hip-hop turn into stupid, juvenile drug-laced rants and fake gangsters. From Rakim Allah to whoop dere it is. I could have bought in, but I committed to my music. 20 years later, I'm still here as that mess slowly fades. Priest is an inspiration to me for that reason. In 2009 I will release my 15th album MiddleMan, a Biblical concept album with lots of symphony and metal elements. It won't be commercial and it's different from my typical style, but it's the best I've ever done as an artist. I respect Priest across genres for coming out "all guns blazing." And as hard as they try, they will never take away the title Judas Priest have earned anymore than those of us in hip-hop no matter how "hard-core" can forget a group from New York rapping to a Chic remix. Without them, I would not be here. I might do a different style, but my hats are off to the masters. Priest isn't about making a hit or even one mega-album, but the catalog, the discography, the duration. I'm heading out to the highway in August to see them at Verizon and I'll be there if I'm all by myself singing along with my favorite "artists."
DP Da Reapa Priest FAN..4eva.
[never_surrender] Sunday, July 06, 2008 1:16:54 AM 
Forgot to mention that every day when I leave home for work, I listen to the following lines, and it keeps me going...

As I leave my room
And lock the door
I know I'll live forever more

While this is a concept album about Nostradamus, it can be very personal too. We are all Nostradamus in our way...

I don't understand the widespread negative review on the web. Were they just expecting another rehash of one of their old works? If there is a band that can come up with this metal masterpiece, it is Judas Priest, what with Rob's vocals and Glenn and KK's guitar virtuosity. This album is their crowning achievement. I am not lying, I do not want to listen to any other music (even Judas Priest's) other than this album, at least for a while. I feel I will lose the magic, the atmosphere, the feelings I get from listening to this, if I listen to anything else.
Edited at: Sunday, July 06, 2008 1:18:10 AM
[never_surrender] Saturday, July 05, 2008 6:36:27 PM 

I am a long time fan of Judas Priest, relatively speaking, as I am just 29. My favorite bands other than JP are Metallica and Pink Floyd. Other than these, I just listen to 'greatest hits' of other bands and not whole albums. This list is pretty huge as one such band whose greatest hits I can listen to is 'The Cranberries.

It has been a long time since I couldn't get enough of a single album. Albums that come to mind are Metallica's 'Master of Puppets', '..And Justice For All', Judas Priest's 'Defenders of the Faith', 'Painkiller'. I am proudly adding 'Nostradamus' to that list. Let me be clear that I am being true to my conscience and musical palate and my opinions are not distorted by the fact that I am posting in a Priest forum and have to toe-the-line, so to speak.

Even though I dig the whole album, I would like to list some of my personal high-points(could be song or interlude) of this masterpiece from the Metal Gods. Just to tell you where I come from, my personal favorite from Painkiller is 'Between the Hammer and the Anvil'. So, if I did not mention some of the Priest-like songs in my list below, it is not because I don't like them but because I know that they are instant hits as far as I am concerned.

1. DEATH -- I don't dig dark metal or death metal and I don't know how these other bands play this type of music. From start to finish, this song is haunting and inexorable, like the Grim Reaper himself. Halford's vocals, Glenn and KK's solos, the overall mood of the song just makes me but think of that hooded thing with its scythe riding out for reaping.

2. WAR - Epic, quite an unchartered territory for Priest, not in the concept of war but in the music that they use to express that concept. Swords clanging against one another, just awe-inspiring, and all of this without having to resort to their staple guitar solos.

3. EXILED - Very emotional and atmospheric, as if I am the one who is exiled

4. ALONE - New Priest Anthem. This song goes to show that the band writes and performs to their fans. We just wanna be -- LEFT ALONE!!

5. LOST LOVE - Emotional. Better than 'Before the Dawn', 'Angel' etc.

Other personal favorites -- Shadows in the Flame, VISIONS, Calm Before the Storm, The Four Horsemen, Peace, CONQUEST, REVELATIONS.

The whole album is a masterpiece. And it rocks!
[P.A.I.N.K.I.L.L.E.R.] Saturday, July 05, 2008 2:37:02 PM 
Judas Priest the Metal Gods have truly made a spectacular and fiercely powerful album, "Nostradamus"...With this album they, once again, show us all something they haven't done before...but this time we're not talking about just a new kind of metal music or new metal album with some new riffs etc, we're talking about the magnum opus of Judas Priest.

They have always been very humble about themselves, in the beginning they learned their lesson of how to appreciate and respect. And most of all, work hard with commitment to their cause and fans that fuel their fire. Now, when their career spans 5 decades and 16 studio albums, Judas Priest are still going strong, but are now even more majestic and forceful than ever before. The new album testifies and confirms their godhood in the heavy metal world. There's absolutely no band on this earth that can ever exceed the prowess of Judas Priest. Only one currently recording band line-up can reach the same level of authority, but even they can't go beyond and above this excellence...

This album is very big, sadly too big for those who don't like/appreciate/understand this. That's too bad.

"Nostradamus" is the finest hour of Judas Priest, the crown of their already superior career. I'm so proud to have been and to continue to be their ardent fan.
[guidogodoy] Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:29:55 PM 
Amazon Canada is still showing the Deluxe in stock.
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[Soylentgreen4u] Saturday, July 05, 2008 12:04:34 PM 
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[Craig Barnard] Saturday, July 05, 2008 11:10:02 AM 
Does anyone know where I can purchase the double disc editon?
I live in Canada and only the single disc seems to be available.

I have been a Priest fan from the start and cannot wait to get my hands on this new release.

[timeturbo] Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:00:17 AM 
Hi everybody from a not so hot Sweden.
Hope you all already got the great album Nostradamus in your collection. In my opinion one of the top 3 priest albums. I think they got it all right. Robs voice sounds as good as you can expect, the guitarr work is as everytime tremendous, Ian is doing his job and Scott is giving the drums a hell of a time.

I really recomened this record. Its a new path that Judas Priest is on and i love it=)

I wish you all a great summer with a lot of songs from Nostradamus or any other Priest record that will blow your speakers....

Keep the faith Metallians of the Judas Priest clan
[brian  dawe] Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:18:49 AM 
great new album  i wrote a whole speech before and it got lost oh well ...beyond the realms of death
[.] Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:39:19 PM 
hi tasnami, no disrespect, but why would Judas Priest write for the masses instead of their fans? I could see Rob Halford in the Rocky Horror Show, and Glen Tipton doing Don Juan but aside from that I don't see how they could do Broadway. Of course, I might be wrong...wouldn't be the first time.
[tasnam1] Sunday, June 22, 2008 4:06:25 PM 

This is my first ever post.   I have been lurking this site for years (since its beginning) and signed up two years ago but never posted to a topic yet.

I believe (for right or wrong/good or bad) JP has set up this release perfectly for a future Broadway production.  (Again I am not posting my personal opinion if they should or not).

It just makes sense.

Act 1 and Act 2
A complete story of an individual
A very good basis for a story
It has both Rock and widely accepted NON-rock elements (orchestra & symphony) that the masses would accept
It could be a final production for them (who knows?)
IT has been done before:

Mama Mia / Abba (which was very good BTW - and that's coming from a Heavy Metal fan)
Moving out / Billy Joel (I did not see)

This could be done years from now, perhaps after they retire or even pass away.
Maybe they would do it in their retirement

Think about it.

BTW Mamma Mia! is now upto $2Billion world wide in gross revenue.  That's right $2Billion from a foundation based on a music group.

Halford is a brialliant marketer.

[Sad_Wings86] Sunday, June 22, 2008 8:13:36 AM 
dajeeee one of the best album of  judas priest and this is the album of year toghether  with good to be bad of whitesnake
[Bluddy Hell] Thursday, June 19, 2008 1:34:54 PM 
Nostradamus is an amazing work of art.  Who could have ever imagined so many musical effects and rich orchestral movements mixed with heavy metal guitars.  I am completely blown is a metal masterpiece- of epic proportions.

I think it would be awesome to make this album into a feature length film, not unlike Pink Floyd's "The Wall",  but bigger and heavier!!

[.] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:09:25 PM 

Thank you for explaining. Guess there is no point making a fuss about nothing. Peace, Painkiller.

As for not going to any of the shows, I don't know if I can take the time to go. And where is the nearest show? (whines)

I admit I can't draw a straight line. Perhaps during an earthquake. But I'd love to see some of the more talented draw or paint something inspired by the album - Hence the "challenge".
And I can picture in my mind the granite Metalgodess talks about. lol.

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[~ MG_Metalgoddess~] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:32:48 PM 
LOL I wish I had artistic talent.. Stick people is as far as I I like the album cover.. reminds me of the granite counters I just ordered for my new house, LOL..
Same colors.. but fleckeled.. if that is a word.. I wanted this so bread crumbs and coffee stains didnt show up!..   So I guess I can leave the cd in the kitchen now and never find it!
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[Head banger] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:26:38 PM 

I, like yourself have managed to buy the album, but not find the time to hear it.


what I meant bymy coment was that I didnt see painkiller (damn those dots are annoying) calling people dumb, or saying that he was smarter than others.  he did list a bunch of things that he thought might be qualities that would indicate the listener would not like the disk, but thats it.


how come you wont be going to any of the shows?

I do like the cover, but, my artistic skills are miniscule.  I doubt I could do beter than metalicas self titled disk.


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[.] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 8:02:34 PM 
Would you be so kind as to elaborate on your reply?
I appreciate you asking, btw.

I can only vouch for my own opinion, not that of others, respectfully, to all. Many longtime fans of the band think this latest effort to be ...meh.Sucker that I am, despite fearing Years Ago, that the Nostradamus theme would be a hard one to pull off even for Judas Priest - no - Because it is Judas Priest, I once again bought their newest album. When I get to listen to it, I will then give my straightforward opinion without choosing to call anybody dumb in the process.
I already made an opinion on the stage set, thank you whoever posted those wonderful picks from the show in Sweden (I think). I highly recommend going to see JP live regardless of their latest album. Once again I won't be going to any of their shows, you can rest easy.
From the songs I've heard at the Mtv website, I believe that certain band members could start listening to many of their fans requests to use the keyboards and synth sparingly and so far that is my major issue with the whole thing. Another is the album cover work (that could have had a genuine artist create something that looks less cheap and less obvious). For all the juicy parts I have no opinion as of yet.
 How about a challenge?
Anybody out there with a talent for drawing/painting that wants to show how they could do a better album cover?   [Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:56:05 PM)
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[VeroGlen] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 6:55:32 PM 
I'm so surprised with the new album. I'm a real fan of Judas Priest and I love many many songs but I think that this piece of work is just.... indescribable. They have been working a lot, spending so many hours chosing the best voices, sounds...and it's worth now. I don't know if it can be said that "Nostradamus" is their best album but if it is not, it is closer. They've made a great job and for that reason we have to support them going to the concerts and buying the CD. It has been a hair-raising experience, I love when Halford speaks in Italian, it is so operistic and touching. Congratulations guys! I hope seeing you soon. Vero.
[Head banger] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:56:05 PM 
I dont quite understand where you get that from Painkillers post.  I can understand the thought behind it, it could in some cases be wrong, but so could lots of things.
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[.] Wednesday, June 18, 2008 5:51:57 PM 
Mr/Mrs? Painkiller:

Knowing full well in advance that you will not reply to me directly, as is traditional in this website, I will still reply to your post since you think the vast majority of fans of the band don't have a brain to think with, eyes to see with and ears to hear with. I'm not judging the album in this reply. I believe it's you who judge others too harshly and in so doing make yourself and your opinion lose its value.
Sometimes, it's best to call a spade a spade and the candid opinion of many, to me, far outweighs the opinion of those like you who blame the listeners and find fault in their judgement. 
The rave reviews in the major music newsprint and websites are copied and pasted out of a single e-mail. Those "reviews" are nothing. Worthless. Serve only as ads to sell the album.
If you like "Nostradamus", fine. You are the cleverest, the smartest, the smarmiest and the most psychologically superior being here because, out of countless thousands around the world, you - sir/madam - you "get it". 
Whatever that may be.

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