|[Budred] Friday, September 16, 2011 11:57:52 AM|| |
|[heavy metal maniac (Costa rica)] Friday, September 16, 2011 11:07:10 AM|| |
|[You Don't Know What It's Like!] Friday, September 16, 2011 10:53:22 AM|| |
|Cool. Enjoy, man! I'm sure you saw KK's write up:|
I just thought I would share this photo with you!
Last night I went up to Manchester to see the Dio Disciples. I had been promising myself that I would not miss this show at any cost.
It is not only totally packed with great songs but also I know all of the guys in the band and how good they are, including of course the great Ripper Owens, so I was guaranteed a night to remember. I was not disappointed; the guys excelled themselves as the crowd chanted "Dio! Dio! Dio!" over and over again.
If you get a chance do not miss out, it is a must see performance and a fitting tribute to the great Ronnie James Dio, the man who loved everyone and the man that everyone loved, his voice must and will live on forever!
|[Budred] Friday, September 16, 2011 8:34:43 AM|| |
|My wife surprised me last night with tickets to see Dio Desciples.|
Sept. 27, Altar Bar Pittsburgh Pa.
Tim "Ripper" Owens
I can't wait. No, Ripper can't replace Dio, but he has a vocal style that should make this a good show.
|[You Don't Know What It's Like!] Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:38:16 PM|| |
|Yeah Bud', saw JP with Ripper 4 times myself too. The first time in London in 1998 was like a freakin' religeous experience - "THE PRIEST IS BAAAAACK!!!" indeed.|
The other three times in 2001 (including the "Live In London" recording) were all excellent shows as well.
I have only the utmost respect & gratitude to Tim Owens for stepping up (to fill near impossible shoes) & helping to keep the Priest flag flying (same goes to Richie Faulkner too).
Edited at: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:49:21 PM
|[Budred] Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:30:50 PM|| |
|Dude, I love you!!!|
OK..., maybe not,
... but finally.
I think there are two of us (maybe three on a good day) that agree.
I saw them 4 times on Demolition and I think they kicked ass everytime.
The only thing I didn't like about Jugulator was the overall sound quality.
To me it seemed like poor production.The concert was the same and I
really didn't care for them, actually thought they were done but then Demolition.
I Loved it.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by You Don't Know What It's Like! from Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:26:21 PM)
|[You Don't Know What It's Like!] Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:26:21 PM|| |
|It's a shame to hear people write off the "Ripper" period albums, just because, or so it would appear, Rob wasn't involved with the band at this time.|
Personally speaking, I'm not a great fan of "Jugulator", although the three songs that I really do like are "Blood Stained", "Burn In Hell" & "Abductors" - the first of which certainly seemed to have become a live favourite when I saw them playing with Mr. Owens.
"Demolition", for me, is a much more interesting release, but suffers from perhaps having too many songs, but the ones that catch my interest most are "One On One" (another that worked well live, at the time), "Hell Is Home", "Devil Digger", "Bloodsuckers", "In Between", "Feed On Me", "Subterfuge" & "Lost & Found". However, "Jekyll & Hyde" is ludicrous (IMO)!!!
Whether you like it or not, these albums are still Judas Priest records, and deserve the support, consideration & time of anyone who might regard themselves to be a proper fan of the band (rather than just of Mr. Halford).
Anyway, back on subject - for me it's probably a tie for worst album as both "Jugulator" & "Turbo" only have three songs that I would actually choose to listen to (the "Turbo" ones being "Turbo Lover", "Out In The Cold" & "Reckless").
Edited at: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 12:29:11 PM
|[Drummaboy] Wednesday, September 14, 2011 11:28:22 AM|| |
| I've never listened to the Ripper albums so wouldn't know how bad/good they are. Out of all the Halford albums I'd have to say Nostrodamus is the least good but, like Angel of Retribution it may grow on me with time.|
|[Brian_Evans] Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:55:58 PM|| |
|[MetalRattlesnake] Tuesday, September 13, 2011 9:23:47 PM|| |
|Demolition, and Jugulator (I'll admit that I only like one song from it, Cathedral Spires)|
|[Metal Goddess] Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:10:36 PM|| |
|Demolition and Jugulator. Other than that they have none.|
|[Maple Syrup] Friday, April 15, 2011 11:54:24 PM|| |
|both ripper albums then Nostradamus. MpleSyrp|
|[ronjah] Friday, April 15, 2011 11:52:51 PM|| |
|I disliked tubo lover back in the day-(i felt it was akin to KISS dynasty ) but now I'm wiser. Nostradomus must be something that Priest just needed to get out there.But It is a very hard pill to swallow.|
|[lmz] Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:49:50 PM|| |
Some would say that Nostradamus sucked. I originally found that such only had one good song. However, the more that I listened to such, the more that I began to love it. Such is like Sad Wings of Destiny 32 years later. Sad Wings was very popular for years, due to the psychedillic effect it has. I now love Nostradamus where I originally did not like such.
|[lmz] Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:45:49 PM|| |
Firsty, Turbo was off of Turbo, Dissedent Leather. Point of Entry was an incredible album, especially if you like marijuana. Secondly, Rocka Rolla was Judas Priest's very first album, from 1974. I, for one, love it. I was very dissappointed with Ram it Down, and wasn't impressed at all with Turbo. I found that both reflected the dark, hard times of that era of the 80's.
|[Dissident_Leather_Rebel] Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:35:08 PM|| |
|I'd have to say point of entry as the worst as in not many good songs. weakest would be Turbo as they kinda lost their regular feel. As u culd maybe tell, i don't really consider the Ripper era "Judas Priest". As for my favorite albums, I would have to say either Painkiller or Stained Class.|
|[The Controller of Planet X] Wednesday, March 30, 2011 1:08:16 AM|| |
|For the most part, I liked "Turbo" and "Ram It Down", but yes both due have some corny crap thrown on (Seriously, "Parental Guidance"? Jeesh!). Never listened to either Ripper albums and I still don't care to. I guess my least favorite "real" Priest is Rocka Rolla; way to plain and unmemorable. |
|[electriceye69] Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:58:38 AM|| |
|Rock-a-Rolla did nothing for me!|
|[nick2584] Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:35:30 PM|| |
|I think Demolition was alittle weak but Machine man Feed On Me Hell Is Home are great songs the rest of the album not so much |
|[JudasPriest #1 Chilean Fan] Thursday, February 24, 2011 4:19:34 PM|| |
|[MotherSun] Thursday, February 17, 2011 8:02:02 PM|| |
|It would have to be Demolition since it's so mediocore and doesn't have any solid stand outs that Jugulator, Turbo, and Ram it down had which kinda balanced them out to make them listenable and enjoyable amist the few crappy songs.|
|[Dissident.Aggressor] Thursday, February 17, 2011 2:55:50 PM|| |
Nostradamus is my least favourite album - not because it's not a great album (after playing Metal for so many years,it's quite understandable that they want to experiment), but because it's not the Priest I truely love.
As far as The Ripper Years are concerned - his voice kept the Halford spirit alive for 8 years - we all should thank him for that. My second favourite active vocalist today ! Let's hope that it will be quite some time, before he becomes my first favourite...
|[heykyleinsf] Wednesday, February 16, 2011 1:56:07 AM|| |
|Take your pick of any Ripper ones..
Sorry.. didn't work for me.
With Rob, my least favorites were
Ram it down then Turbo|
|[sadwings76] Tuesday, February 15, 2011 11:57:29 PM|| |
|Weak or worst? personally the weakest for me was Turbo. Dont get me wrong, I love Turbo, but it just didnt have that priest groove to it, it was too.....normal, everday 80's metal. The worst album...I decided on the worst album by going through the track lists and tallying wich songs I liked and naturally the album with the least amount of enjoyable songs is the worst....very simple. For me it is Jugulator, only two songs I was able to enjoy. the rest, everything was just bad, bad lyrics, sloppy music, unimaginative solos. The ripper era Priest wasnt Priest in my opinion, Anyway Im supposed to be commenting on the worst or weakest Priest album and here I am bashing Ripper who held Priest together and like a man stepped down when asked...my apologies.|
|[Nupe The Ripper] Monday, February 14, 2011 4:50:43 AM|| |
|I wrote nothing about Ram It Down in that post! I only wrote about Sin After Sin in general.|
I've never thought RID to be a bad album, it's got those killer cuts like the title track, Hard as Iron and Blood Red Skies, just as you wrote there. The intro for Heavy Metal is also great, a precursor to Metal Meltdown, and the song is not that bad, although it would be lot better without the synths. I've always had a liking for Come and Get It, I'm a Rocker and Monsters of Rock as well. Johnny B. Goode might not do justice to the original but it's a decent one, and it's perfect in my MP3 player when I don't concentrate on the music much. Pretty much the only bad songs are Love Zone and Love You to Death.
Music-wise, it's a decent album, although some of the songs tend to be a bit unimaginative. Certainly not the worst the band has spilled out.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JudasRyan777 from Sunday, February 13, 2011 9:53:12 PM)
|[JudasRyan777] Sunday, February 13, 2011 9:53:12 PM|| |
|are you nuts??? Ram it down is fucking killer with great tracks like " Ram it down " " Blood read skies" and of course the great Hard as Iron... although the Chuck Berry cover does ruing the record to be honest|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by NupeTheJawbreaker from Friday, February 04, 2011 3:42:38 PM)
|[JudasRyan777] Sunday, February 13, 2011 9:47:48 PM|| |
|in the halford Era 74 - 90 I would say Point of entry if it wasn't for Hot rockin'...|
|[metalmaz] Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:57:28 AM|| |
|I'm sticking to the Halford era.
Nostraboreus closely followed by Ram It Down |
|[Nupe The Ripper] Friday, February 04, 2011 3:42:38 PM|| |
|Tuffv: Well, there's always the Judas Priest Info Pages that have much insight in all of the albums and the band's history in general: maddrakket.com/SINAFTERSIN.html|
Maple Syrup: thanks for adding that up, never read the facts about Bink's resignation that thoroughly.
Personally, I think that Sin After Sin is very underrated as an album, just like the follow-up Stained Class. For me, this era was Judas Priest-style heavy metal at its purest, before the almost-pop sounding Killing Machine. With the first double-bass drummer ever in the band (instead of the jazz drummers before), the tempos were getting up (listen to Call for the Priest/Let Us Prey and you know what I mean), there was much less progressive rock influence than on the first two LPs, and Glenn and K.K. started to create some really great riffs. Sinner, Starbreaker, the excellent cover of Diamonds and Rust, Call for the Priest/Let Us Prey, Dissident Aggressor, all heavy songs indeed. Dissident Aggressor has that memorable extremely-high piched scream by Rob, probably the highest that has been put on a studio album. Here Come the Tears starts up slow but ends in full power, kind of a proto-power ballad. Raw Deal has some good guitarwork but is still mid-paced and quite long, a remnant from the earlier progressive-influenced days. And then there's one of the few actual Priest ballads (not a power ballad), Last Rose of Summer, making you calm down before the blistering drums of Let Us Prey kick in. All in all an excellent record that has been unjustifiably forgotten because most of the tracks aren't played live often, just like Stained Class.
|[Maple Syrup] Friday, February 04, 2011 12:27:27 PM|| |
Wanted to chime in on the Les Binks thing. It is well known Priest wasnt happy with Les Binks live performance and felt he was more of a session or studio drummer. It is pretty apparent in the bootlegs from 77-79 that Les didnt cut the mustard live. You can look into this at the jp info pages.
IMO: Holland brought a tight and detailed thump that Priest sorely missed, especially live. MpleSyrp Edited at: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:27:51 PM
Edited at: Friday, February 04, 2011 12:28:16 PM
|[tuffy-77] Friday, February 04, 2011 12:20:39 PM|| |
|hahahaha yeah I knew that about Scott Travis. I had a momentary brain fart.|
1990 "Painkiller" enters, Scott Travis.
Does anybody know what Rob, KK, Glenn have to say about Sin After Sin?
Maybe a link to an interview discussing that album.
Thanks for the small "Phillips" history.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by NupeTheJawbreaker from Friday, February 04, 2011 9:17:41 AM)
|[Nupe The Ripper] Friday, February 04, 2011 9:17:41 AM|| |
|"Simon was a great drummer. Why they didn't keep him I don'know. But I also like their latest drummer that's been with them since after Sin After Sin."|
Actually, the band would have wanted to keep Simon Phillips as their drummer, but he declined because of other commitments. They eventually had Les Binks with them for the next two years, until the band decided that they needed a more straight-forward drummer. In came Dave Holland, who lasted through the whole 80s, before he quit because of health and personal reasons. Since then Scott Travis has been the band's drummer.
Edited at: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:24:29 AM
|[tuffy-77] Friday, February 04, 2011 8:35:42 AM|| |
|Hey yeah and thanks for the welcome. One of the rumors I've heard about was the reason for an unusual great Priest album was because|
something to the lines of complications in record label at the time. Their deal with the previous 2 records reached a negative situation thus they entered into a new management
and record deal which obviously didn't last. The new Priest sound didn't last at least in U.S.A. The album did have a touch of almost a southern rock feel to it and It was either dismissed or ignored. I love everything about this album. Simon was a great drummer. Why they didn't keep him I don'know. But I also like their latest drummer that's been with them since after Sin After Sin.
Never the less it's still a great release to some Priest fans I know. I knew the album was different but I also fell in love with it because I imagined the awesomeness power of the riffs. I knew for some reason these tunes would just crank out live. If you or any other members here could help out in this "history" part of Judas Priest would be awesome.
I'll get my young friend in here and get him researching himself soon.
Thanks in advance.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by sentinel84 from Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:59:49 PM)
|[sentinel84] Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:59:49 PM|| |
|hey and welcome! I think sin after sin is my favorite 70's judas priest album and my second overall favorite (next to defenders) its a very dark album with very heavy riffs that were way before its time. Sure it does have some weak moments on it (raw deal) but it still is freakin great. Definately a good topic to write a paper on |
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by tuffy-77 from Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:38:47 PM)
|[tuffy-77] Thursday, February 03, 2011 10:38:47 PM|| |
|Hello, I'm new here and have been a Priest fan for quite a few years. My love for JP has been since "Deffenders Of The Faith" all the way through "Painkeller"|
Not too familiar with the newer stuff except that of "A Touch Of Evil" the latest live that I know of. I have one question for a paper that I'm helping a young Priest fan write
for an Eng Comp.2 college course.
What do you guys think of the "Sin After Sin" the third Priest album? I personaly love the album and also feel like it's an underrated album. My young Priest fan feels the same way.
And that is the topic of his paper (Underrated) and he's doing it on Judas Priest's Sin After Sin. I tend to agree with him, but why"
So, what do you guys really think of "Sin After Sin", seriously?
|[Nupe The Ripper] Tuesday, February 01, 2011 11:09:00 AM|| |
|The one found on this site (under "Tour Info") is the official listing, and contains all of the shows announced so far. You can't get a more accurate one because they simply haven't yet announced any more concerts (but they surely will). Don't worry, I'm sure they'll announce the US dates early enough so that people can plan well ahead.|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by JudasRyan777 from Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:33:45 AM)
|[JudasRyan777] Tuesday, February 01, 2011 10:33:45 AM|| |
|Well, I was wondering about the current epitaph tour dates, I'm trying to see them as much as possible during their last tour and I don't have an accurate tour plan + the tour dates for USA are not even listed|
|[MJ66] Tuesday, February 01, 2011 7:10:57 AM|| |
|I have to admit I kind of went off Priest after Rob left. Not that I couldn't appreciate Ripper, but after seeing just about every tour with Rob, well it didn't seem like Priest anymore. So is it unfair to say that the Ripper years were my least fave when I didn't really give them much of a listen? I do like "Close to You" a lot, but agree that if Rob had done it, it would be a truly amazing song!|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by HOT ROCKIN' METAL GODDESS from Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:54:05 PM)
|[Nupe The Ripper] Tuesday, February 01, 2011 12:26:07 AM|| |
|[guidogodoy] Monday, January 31, 2011 6:38:15 PM|| |
|Um...probably because Madrakket passed on. The site was simply uploaded and left untouched by his friends years ago.|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by NupeTheJawbreaker from Monday, January 31, 2011 1:35:52 PM)
|[Budred] Monday, January 31, 2011 4:45:44 PM|| |
|Man, that is a cool site but the tour date info has quite a few mistakes. |
There is no Pittsburgh date for "Point of Entry" tour.I saw them at the Stanley Theatre w/ Maiden and Whitesnake.
I think the Dayton Ohio date is incorrect. I have a stub for May 4th. It didn't list Maiden as the opening band on
"Screaming For Vengeance" tour, I saw them with Maiden at the Civic Arena in Pittsburgh on that tour.
On the "Defender's" tour I have a Pittsburgh stub for April 9th. I(think) it has them in Baltimore that night.
There is still some cool info there though.
People...click on Point of Entry and read what K.K. supposedly said about Maiden when they toured together the first few times.
It's supposed to be from 2003. I found it interesting. It sounds like Bruce and the boys were dicks from the beginning.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by NupeTheJawbreaker from Monday, January 31, 2011 1:35:52 PM)
|[sentinel84] Monday, January 31, 2011 3:19:46 PM|| |
|Holy crap that is one of the best sites I've ever seen! Thanks for sharing man!|
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by NupeTheJawbreaker from Monday, January 31, 2011 1:35:52 PM)
|[Nupe The Ripper] Monday, January 31, 2011 1:35:52 PM|| |
|[JudasRyan777] Monday, January 31, 2011 1:15:35 PM|| |
|Can anyone help me with the Tour dates of Judas Priest.|
|[JT_Small_Deadly_Space] Monday, January 31, 2011 7:40:31 AM|| |
|I don't think I can specify which is a worst album for me, all of them have good and average songs on them. I think the question should be which is your least listened to Priest album. In that case I would say: Sad Wings of Destiny. I know it is an iconic metal album that was way ahead of it's time but it is the album I listen to the least. Victim of Changes is one of my favourite Priest songs without a doubt and if I want to hear Genocide at it's best I stick in Unleashed in the East, that version of that song smashes you in the face. So yeah there you go.|
|[Head banger] Sunday, January 30, 2011 8:23:38 PM|| |
|[spapad] Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:47:14 PM|| |
I love P.O.E. except for a coulple songs I would rather shoot myself in the foot than not hit skip on. Troubleshooter, and You Say Yes were total dogs. Other than that it was a departure from British Steel but had a few great shining moments. Solar Angels, Heading out to the Highway, Hot Rockin', Desert Plains, all fantastic songs. I actually love the videos from this album as they are pretty much funny nowadays, but wern't that bad when they came out.
That is why Turbo gets the golden turkey Nupe. if you have to train yourself to like it, it's probably not that good in the first place. I think you could agree with that even if you were a new wave 80's person.
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by NupeTheJawbreaker from Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:01:02 PM)
|[Nupe The Ripper] Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:01:02 PM|| |
|Deciding which Priest album is the best or worst is really difficult, because each one of them is unique. Not much of the previous album's sound ever make it to the next one. Unlike some bands which repeat the same formula that has sold them records for years already.|
Looking at this topic, or any other similar discussion for that matter, the most popular Priest albums to nominate as their worst are Point of Entry, Turbo and Demolition. I'll give you my own opinion about them.
Point of Entry: OK, so this might not be the raw-sounding British Steel metal or the full-blast Screaming for Vengeance stuff, but with enough time spent listening it, I think it's a decent record after all. At first I generally disliked this album and only liked one or two songs from this, but after a few times spent listening, it has begun to sound better. So, the tracks sound quite commercialized or downright cheesy (You Say Yes and All the Way in particular), and the music videos merely make me laugh these days (although as a Finn, it was nice to see Halford in a sauna during Hot Rockin'!). But these easy-going songs are great when I need to relax, kick back and feel happy about what I've already got. There's still enough Priest sound there to merit the logo on the cover, no doubt about that. Besides, the lighter sound is a good way to introduce people who've never listened metal before to the band. Definitely not the worst the band has put out. But both versions of the cover art are hideous, I give you that.
Turbo: This is where things get messy. I like this album too, having listened to mainly 80s pop (don't laugh!) before I discovered the old heavy bands like Heep and Purple (and with time, Priest). So, the combination of my previous and current favorite genre doesn't sound too bad to me, after all. But I agree that this is an oddity as a Priest album. Though I still think that Turbo Lover, Out in the Cold and Reckless, and sometimes Locked In, are great tracks, even when compared to other Priest songs. This is also a feel-good album, much like Point of Entry, to me. Overall it's a good album, but not necessarily a Priest classic.
Demolition: The first time I heard a song from this album (I think it was One on One), I thought that someone had mislabeled it as Priest. It was so much different from the classic albums I had heard before that. While the more modern approach might appeal to some, this is not the way Priest could've gotten new fans, as I think the main reason behind this was. Ditching the unique traditional style to something that a thousand other bands were doing at the same time just doesn't cut it. Jugulator, while also being very brutal, at least had some imagination in it. Most of the songs here just get in from one ear and out of the other, with nothing happening in between. It's just a large chunk of same-sounding guitars and vocals over and over again, with only a couple of exceptions. Being the longest studio album (apart from the epic Nostradamus) doesn't help either, most of the tracks could have sounded better with a tighter pace, and some could have been dropped altogether. Nine out of the thirteen songs are over five minutes long and usually just repeat the same stuff all over again, which not exactly an ideal combination. Crude language is prominent, something not often heard from Halford-era Priest. But Lost and Found is a good ballad, one of the few tracks here to have a proper melody and to show the actual capability of Owens, and Machine Man is an acceptable piece of straightforward speed metal, although like the other songs on this album, it could have too been a little shorter. Close to You is good as well, hits my weakness for power ballads. Overall this is the least favorite of Priest albums to me, but I'm sure this one has it's fans as well...
Edited at: Sunday, January 30, 2011 6:28:26 PM
|[spapad] Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:55:29 PM|| |
|Rob does what he wants with his band, and if that means he'd like to spout off the occassional Fuck Yeah, why not, but largely unless things were really cooking in the crowd, Rob managed to keep his words PG for the crowd. He's no angel, and I never implied he was. Rob pantsed himself one time caught up in the moment, and when he finally got out of the crowd he was ripped to pieces from the fans, I'm sure in hindsight he would say he regreted that. as it was probably painful. lol He commented on it in the Screaming for Vengeance Tour Book, for those who want to look it up. He also ran about a hotel naked setting off fire extinguishers and got into a bit of trouble, but that was post show antics. |
[Show/Hide Quoted Message] (Quoting Message by Head banger from Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:43:58 PM)
|[soccer star] Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:52:45 PM|| |
|Turbo is a crackin album! no two ways about it.|
Great songs and great guitar work and the priest live dvd is class.
Its FAAAAR from being the worst priest album..